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The occasional open thread: willfully disobedient edition

Put your Obama conspiracy comments that don’t relate to the current articles here. This thread will close in two weeks.

89 Responses to The occasional open thread: willfully disobedient edition

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    justlw September 19, 2015 at 1:21 am #

    The open thread, she is closed.

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 19, 2015 at 4:06 pm #

    This is fixed in Windows Insider Build 10617.

    justlw:
    The open thread, she is closed.

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    justlw September 19, 2015 at 5:40 pm #

    Shocking, surprising, dare I even say yuge, statistic mentioned in http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/09/donald_trump_doesn_t_correct_birthers_but_how_is_that_any_worse_than_the.html :

    66 percent of Trump’s supporters believe Obama is a Muslim and 61 percent don’t believe he was born in the United States, according to a recent poll from the left-leaning Public Policy Polling.

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    justlw September 19, 2015 at 8:01 pm #

    …annnd I just noticed that you’ve got a link to the quoted poll at the bottom of a recent article.

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    Krosis September 20, 2015 at 12:08 pm #

    Many people in the #birther Twitter feed insist that Clinton campaign promoted birtherism. Quite annoying to see such misinformation.

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    Dave B. September 20, 2015 at 7:42 pm #

    In a shocking new development, David Farrar doesn’t know what “subject matter jurisdiction” means, but refers to it anyway:

    “The offspring born here of illegal aliens cannot be subject to US jurisdiction when another foreign sovereignty already has subject matter jurisdiction, which the US is by treaty and international law required to recognize, as they are required to recognize our own citizenship law.”

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/trump_dodges_birther_questions/#comment-2263929249

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 20, 2015 at 11:15 pm #

    Dave B.: In a shocking new development, David Farrar doesn’t know what “subject matter jurisdiction” means, but refers to it anyway

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t know what “wearing pants” means.

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    roadburner September 21, 2015 at 7:47 am #

    and another GOP hopeful decides to piss on the constitution and commit political suicide…..

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34308716

    wow….just wow!

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    roadburner September 21, 2015 at 10:33 am #

    oh the irony! – bob gets upset because his comments were not used….

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/09/shot-down-dc-reporter-skirts-facts.html

    LOL!

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    Dave B. September 21, 2015 at 2:46 pm #

    On a side note, I’ve been having a little dialogue with David Farrar’s twin brother, who is positively a delight in comparison:
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/trump_dodges_birther_questions/#comment-2265866016
    I may have to consider mollifying the hard line on David a little bit as a courtesy to his twin.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) September 22, 2015 at 4:09 am #

    Dave B.: In a shocking new development, David Farrar doesn’t know what “subject matter jurisdiction” means, but refers to it anyway:

    “The offspring born here of illegal aliens cannot be subject to US jurisdiction when another foreign sovereignty already has subject matter jurisdiction, which the US is by treaty and international law required to recognize, as they are required to recognize our own citizenship law.”

    That’s great news! Being a German, I now know next time I come over to the US, I can commit crimes (including murder) with impunity as it’s gonna be up to my government whether they will punish me or not. 🙂

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    Dave September 22, 2015 at 7:29 am #

    I was left wondering, what reporter would even ask this fringe nutjob for his opinions? And now I know — it’s another case of a news house pathetically reacting to false charges of liberal bias by hiring a wingnut.

    roadburner:
    oh the irony! – bob gets upset because his comments were not used….

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    gorefan September 22, 2015 at 10:52 am #

    RIP Jack Larson -cub reporter.

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    EL September 22, 2015 at 12:18 pm #

    The RWNJ are now posting that the birther questions started with Hillary Clinton’s campaign in 2008. My memory is vague, but I think I saw it on FreeRepublic way before anything that could be construed as a hint from Clinton. Anyone have information on the very early days of birtherism?

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    Pete September 22, 2015 at 1:01 pm #

    roadburner: oh the irony! – bob gets upset because his comments were not used….

    Does “bob” who posts here run Gerbil Report?

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    Bonsall Obot September 22, 2015 at 1:44 pm #

    Pete: Does “bob” who posts here run Gerbil Report?

    Oh HELL no.

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 22, 2015 at 3:40 pm #

    The most authoritative treatise on this topic is Loren Collins’ paper, “The Secret Origin of the Birthers.” I’ve added this to the site Resources menu.

    http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2011/06/secret-origin-of-birthers.html

    I also have a series of articles on Birther Archaeology here:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/02/where-did-born-in-africa-start-part-1/
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/02/where-did-born-in-africa-start-part-2/

    EL: Anyone have information on the very early days of birtherism?

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    EL September 22, 2015 at 11:09 pm #

    Thank you. Your links show the Free Republic claim that birtherism originated with Hillary Clinton’s campaign is an obvious lie. (What a surprise…)

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    The Magic M (not logged in) September 23, 2015 at 3:19 am #

    EL: The RWNJ are now posting that the birther questions started with Hillary Clinton’s campaign in 2008.

    They’ve been doing that for a long time. It morphed from “Clinton supporters” to “the Clinton campaign” to “Hillary herself” over time, and sometimes back again.

    All to console themselves they’re not vile racists.

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    Northland10 September 23, 2015 at 9:00 am #

    Pete: Does “bob” who posts here run Gerbil Report?

    BR Bob, not our bob, can be just as vile as his resident rodents. I don’t recall many of the Gerbils wandering over here. Most of them can’t handle life outside their echo chamber.

    Rambo lives to troll and bait people so he posts in many places, until he gets banned.

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 23, 2015 at 12:14 pm #

    Actually, birtherism started at the Free Republic 😯

    EL: Thank you. Your links show the Free Republic claim that birtherism originated with Hillary Clinton’s campaign is an obvious lie.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 23, 2015 at 1:15 pm #

    Northland10: Rambo lives to troll and bait people so he posts in many places, until he gets banned.

    Unless the Anti-Birther/Birther ratio is not in his favor, then he steers clear. About the only places Rambo feels safe posting is on BR and the blog of a certain Mr. “I’m being extradited to Kenya, Bruce! Send money!”

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    Crustacean September 23, 2015 at 1:29 pm #

    It’s always nice to start the day with a good laugh. This morning’s knee-slapper was in my e-mail’s inbox, courtesy of Fellowship of the Minds blogger “Dr. Eowyn”.

    “Am sorry to bother you, I’m in Limassol Cyprus at the moment and i
    just misplaced my bag containing all my vital items, phone, passport
    and money at the bus station. I am stranded at the moment and i need
    your help.

    Eowyn”

    I recognized the name in the “From” box as being the real name of this individual. But what puzzles me is why it was signed “Eowyn”. Whoever hijacked her e-mail is obviously familiar with her FOTM persona – perhaps the work of an Obot prankster?

    For what it’s worth, if she were ever truly in trouble, I would help her. Well, maybe not with money, but, like, if she needed a ride to the next Tea Party rally, or if she was stranded in a ditch by the side of the road, or…

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    bovril September 23, 2015 at 2:03 pm #

    Alas Mr Crab this is a fairly regular scam that comes in and out of fashion fairly regularly, a slightly more sophisticated version Ye Olde Classic Nigerian 419 scam

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    Crustacean September 23, 2015 at 2:22 pm #

    I checked at FOTM, and Dr. E’s theory is that it’s retaliation from folks affiliated with the Religious Freedom Foundation, because of an article she posted accusing the RFF of instigating attacks against Christian chaplains and soldiers.

    Naturally, other inmates at FOTM think the Obama administration is behind it. But then again, they also think Obama was the mastermind of New Coke, televised celebrity dancing competitions, and parachute jackets.

    bovril: Alas Mr Crab this is a fairly regular scam that comes in and out of fashion fairly regularly, a slightly more sophisticated version Ye Olde Classic Nigerian 419 scam

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    Dave B. September 23, 2015 at 2:56 pm #

    I don’t think I’m going to bother registering over there to make a comment, but this guy’s got some messed-up “facts”:
    http://www.cerescourier.com/section/22/article/6081/
    An example:

    “Fact: No one has ever seen or verified Obama’s birth certificate. When the White House produced a certificate of live birth on the White House website on April 27, 2011, the posted certificate had a totally different print stock than other birth certificates released during 1961 and there was no embossed seal on it, since only an “uncertified copy” was released. On May 1, 2011, computer science and document management expert witness, Ivan Zatkovich, studied the document released by the White House. Mr. Zatkovich stated that documents normally contain one layer of PDF, but Obama’s copy had multiple layers of PDF, indicating it had been scanned multiple times, concluding it had been modified or edited in some fashion. His report concludes, “There is no specific evidence of how or why that content would have been changed, but the evidence clearly indicates that the document was changed.””

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    RanTalbott September 23, 2015 at 5:39 pm #

    roadburner: and another GOP hopeful decides to piss on the constitution and commit political suicide

    Mmmm, no.

    I actually agree with with his basic principle. Which, ironically, means I’d probably never vote for him, and certainly wouldn’t vote for Huckabee and others who’ve been more explicit about their theocratic beliefs, for any executive office.

    The fact that Carson so casually stereotypes Muslims pretty much finishes the job of ruling him out, so it’s not necessary to look further into how theocratic he really is.

    Islam is theocratic as a matter of explicit doctrine, not as a result of the interpretation of a limited subset of its adherents like Christianity. So it’s not unreasonable for voters to look a little more carefully at a Muslim candidate’s religious beliefs to ensure that he/she is not “unsuitable for office in a government that strictly separates church and state”, because the odds of being theocratic are higher.

    But that sort of evaluation of an individual by the voters is not at all like legislating a requirement that office holders believe in some particular deity, and is essentially the same as scoring based on whether the candidate supports metrification, socialized medicine, or looser pollution controls.

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    Punchmaster via Mobile September 23, 2015 at 8:04 pm #

    Tee hee! Falcon is absolutely livid that The Pope met with The President. Now he HATES the Pope. I kid you not.

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    donna September 23, 2015 at 10:17 pm #

    Is Hillary Clinton the ‘original birther?’

    Donald Trump and Ted Cruz are falsely claiming that Clinton started the rumors that the president was not born in the United States.

    http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/is-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther–531194947799

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 23, 2015 at 10:54 pm #

    This is one of the best pieces I have seen on this topic.

    donna:
    Is Hillary Clinton the ‘original birther?’

    Donald Trump and Ted Cruz are falsely claiming that Clinton started the rumors that the president was not born in the United States.

    http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/is-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther–531194947799

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    donna September 24, 2015 at 8:47 am #

    Doc: This is one of the best pieces I have seen on this topic.

    This one is good too.

    Trump: Hillary Clinton’s the original birther

    In the Rewrite, Donald Trump keeps talking where President Obama was born while claiming he’s finished talking about the President’s birthplace. MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell explains why the press should keep pressing the GOP frontrunner about it.

    http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word

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    charo September 24, 2015 at 9:16 am #

    I scanned Loren’s piece, and I see it as the source of the Kenyan birth coming from The Volokh Conspiracy, where a commenter created a hypothetical, and said hypothetical was copied in a comment on Free Republic as fact.

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    donna September 24, 2015 at 9:37 am #

    charo:

    Eugene Volokh, December 1, 2008 at 12:07pm] Trackbacks

    http://volokh.com/posts/1227910730.shtml

    October 30, 2008 Rumor calls Obama’s birth certificate fake

    “Even if a person is born outside the United States, courts have ruled any child born to at least one U.S. citizen is a U.S. citizen, Volokh said. Stanley Ann Dunham would have counted even if Obama’s Kenyan father did not.”

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-10-30/news/0810290685_1_obama-campaign-born-hawaii-department

    10/25/2007  The New Right-Wing Smear Machine (at the end of the article)

    http://www.thenation.com/article/new-right-wing-smear-machine/

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    Dave B. September 24, 2015 at 12:02 pm #

    I don’t think Volokh’s usually so careless. He did come back and post a correction to that:

    http://www.volokh.com/posts/1227910730.shtml

    I seem to recall Doc referring to Volokh’s correction somewhere. Doc never misses a trick.

    donna: “Even if a person is born outside the United States, courts have ruled any child born to at least one U.S. citizen is a U.S. citizen, Volokh said. Stanley Ann Dunham would have counted even if Obama’s Kenyan father did not.”

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    charo September 25, 2015 at 12:04 am #

    You are misinterpreting. It was an unintentional hypothetical. You have to read Loren’s article.

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    Rickey September 25, 2015 at 2:10 pm #

    Cody Robert Judy’s Motion for Reconsideration is supposed to be conferenced on Monday, even though SCOTUS doesn’t officially reconvene until a week from Monday. That makes it sound like it’s going to be a rather perfunctory proceeding. I expect that SCOTUS will deny his motion and then his petition will be dead because he failed to comply with the order to pay his docketing fee by July 13.

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    donna September 25, 2015 at 3:39 pm #

    Politifact: The Obama Muslim Myth: The Clinton connection

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/sep/25/obama-muslim-myth-clinton-connection/

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 26, 2015 at 12:44 am #

    Kelly File Fact Check of Claims Clinton “Started Birtherism” Ignores Fox’s Role in Pushing Those Claims – Media Matters.

    http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/09/24/kelly-file-fact-check-of-claims-clinton-started/205781

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    Keith September 26, 2015 at 8:32 am #

    At a friends birthday party today, one of the guys I met had been in the US (Denver I think he said) for work a couple of years ago and met a guy he thought was a reasonable guy, and they exchanged email addresses to keep in touch. The guy is now bombarding him with Obama hate mail chain letters and he can’t get him to stop.

    I advised him to block the sender, but I think he uses gmail or something and can’t do that.

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    gorefan September 26, 2015 at 11:14 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Kelly File

    Here was a quote from another FOX show.

    “They were debating whether a Muslim should be a president back in the creation of our country,” Kilmeade opined. “There’s a whole book written on it. Back when you had Jefferson and Madison debating other great American founders about should a Jewish person be president? Should a Muslim person be president?”

    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/elisabeth-hasselbeck-opposing-a-muslim-president-makes-ben-carson-a-real-person/

    He may be talking about the 1779 Virginia Religious Freedom Act which obviously doesn’t say anything about being president. Maybe he was just making it up.

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    Jim September 26, 2015 at 11:27 am #

    Keith:
    At a friends birthday party today, one of the guys I met had been in the US (Denver I think he said) for work a couple of years ago and met a guy he thought was a reasonable guy, and they exchanged email addresses to keep in touch. The guy is now bombarding him with Obama hate mail chain letters and he can’t get him to stop.

    I advised him to block the sender, but I think he uses gmail or something and can’t do that.

    I’d send the guy’s email address to every left-leaning site, blog, etc and see how he feels being bombarded by pro-Obama email. 😀

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    bovril September 26, 2015 at 12:26 pm #

    Keith:
    At a friends birthday party today, one of the guys I met had been in the US (Denver I think he said) for work a couple of years ago and met a guy he thought was a reasonable guy, and they exchanged email addresses to keep in touch. The guy is now bombarding him with Obama hate mail chain letters and he can’t get him to stop.

    I advised him to block the sender, but I think he uses gmail or something and can’t do that.

    If it is Gmail, open up the browser, far right hand side, click on the button looking like a cog wheel, select settings.

    Go to ‘Filters and blocked addresses’, add the idiots email to the blocked list

    Done…..

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    Bonsall Obot September 26, 2015 at 4:14 pm #

    Back when I used to get chain hate-mail from my RWNJ friends and family, I’d REPLY ALL with the (easily-found) debunking documentation.

    I no longer get such emails.

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    Keith September 27, 2015 at 1:08 am #

    I think somebody must have swiped somebody’s voice recorder here. How else would they get the exact transcript.

    Durham County Black Republican Committee

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    AnyDayNow September 27, 2015 at 3:22 pm #

    One of the many things that make me laugh at LoonyReport is the idea that they keep floating around that as soon as Obama is ‘proven’ to be a ‘usurper’, that IMMEDIATELY everything that has happened during his presidency will become null and void…as if it never existed. ‘Selfsovereign’ has been on a rant about this because somebody claimed that Obama might fake a serious illness, so that he could let Biden take over as President, just so that Biden could then give Obama a Presidential pardon for everything that had happened. ‘Selfsovereign’ said that it wouldn’t work because if Obama was proven to be a usurper, then his choice of Biden as running mate would also be invalid, and therefor he would be ineligible to succeed Obama, blah,blah,blah. Listening to the scenarios that these guys come up with makes me think that some of them missed their calling as fiction writers because their imaginations are amazing! But, to get back to my point, I have now found a fun new hobby. Whenever I see a post about how they are going to have to undo EVERYTHING that has happened during Obama’s Presidency, I remind them that Chester A Arthur has recently been ‘proven’ to also be a ‘usurper’ (equally crazy), so therefore, before they go about the business of overturning everything that Obama has done, they need to first go back in history and completely undo everything that Arthur did, also. Every law, treaty, etc. would be just as invalid as everything they claim about Obama. So, since the Arthur ‘crime’ was committed first, then they should remedy that one first before they take on Obama. But so far, nobody seems to have any desire to overturn anything that Chester A Arthur did. Why would they want justice for a ‘crime’ committed by one person, but not want justice for the same ‘crime’ committed by another person. Is there any obvious difference between these two Presidents that anybody can find that would explain the double standard? Maybe eye color, or shoe size, or ….? 👍🏻👎🏿

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 27, 2015 at 6:39 pm #

    Birthers really do pin an awful lot on the word “if”, don’t they?

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 28, 2015 at 12:27 am #

    Uh, Obama didn’t chose Biden. The Electoral College did. and before that, the Democratic National Convention (voice vote on September 6).

    AnyDayNow: Selfsovereign’ said that it wouldn’t work because if Obama was proven to be a usurper, then his choice of Biden as running mate would also be invalid,

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    Dave September 28, 2015 at 7:58 am #

    The news says that the birther candidate will unveil his tax plan today. Apparently, he has one. I can only hope it will be as entertaining as his immigration plan.

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    RanTalbott September 28, 2015 at 10:09 am #

    There have been a lot of comments over the years, sometimes mocking, sometimes lamenting, about the amount of “apocalyptic” rhetoric among birthers in general, and especially at BR. Some of the loonier gerbils have spoken openly about revolution, civil war, and/or a military coup.

    I just happened across a link to a disturbing article at Salon that claims that kind of thinking runs much wider and deeper than I (and probably others) thought.

    It offers some interesting theories about how some of the wingnuts got to be that way, and why the GOP primary is going the way it is, that may inform discussions about birthers. Especially about the past, and possibly future, persistence of birfoonery in the face of reality.

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    gorefan September 28, 2015 at 11:40 am #

    Cody Roberts Judy’s dead case goes to the Supreme Court Long Conference today.

    FWIW, here is a small article on the Long Conference.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/us/politics/supreme-courts-long-conference-where-appeals-go-to-die.html?_r=0

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    AnyDayNow September 28, 2015 at 12:23 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Uh, Obama didn’t chose Biden. The Electoral College did. and before that, the Democratic National Convention (voice vote on September 6).

    You are preaching to the choir. That is just one of MANY examples of delusional thinking when it comes to this “we can erase everything that Obama ever did in one day” kind of craziness. I guess the point that I was trying to make is that their basic argument is that Obama has ‘usurped’ the Presidency which means that they have not only the right, but the duty as ‘patriots’ to erase everything that the ‘illegal’ Obama did as President (I.e. Laws, treaties, Supreme Court appointments and therefore Supreme Court decisions, etc.)
    However, by their own logic (flawed as it is), Chester A Arthur is just as guilty of ‘usurping’ as Obama is, but all of these ‘Patriots’ have no interest in trying to undo the illegal actions of that ‘criminal’ (Arthur). If it was the ‘usurpation’ that they had the problem with, they would be complaining just as much about overturning everything that Chester A Arthur had done (can you imagine). But since they aren’t, I have to think it’s not the supposed ‘usurpation’ that bothers these people, but something else about President Obama that bugs them. It’s a mixture of partisan politics, ignorance, and bigotry (not necessarily in that order) that motivates them, and I just like to point this out to them because it makes it harder for them to hide their true motivations.

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 28, 2015 at 1:19 pm #

    AnyDayNow: You are preaching to the choir.

    I know.

    AnyDayNow: If it was the ‘usurpation’ that they had the problem with, they would be complaining just as much about overturning everything that Chester A Arthur had done (can you imagine).

    Ah, there goes the Civil Service and back to the spoils system. Also we’d have to gut the Navy.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) September 29, 2015 at 7:06 am #

    RanTalbott: Some of the loonier gerbils have spoken openly about revolution, civil war, and/or a military coup.

    Won’t happen. They can’t even bother to attend birther rallies around the corner, they would never dare risk their own lives, they always hope others will die for them.

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    Dave September 29, 2015 at 7:37 am #

    I have noticed that, even in their keyboard fantasies, wingnuts see themselves as spectators, or at most anonymous members of the mob. It does seem odd that their greatest ambition, even in the unfettered world of imagination, is to just show up.

    The Magic M (not logged in): Won’t happen. They can’t even bother to attend birther rallies around the corner, they would never dare risk their own lives, they always hope others will die for them.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) September 29, 2015 at 11:43 am #

    They’re basically like children.
    “Mommy will punish you and then she will give *me* all the cookies!”

    Just the same they expect “the mob” to do their dirty job, then they want to be crowned God Emperor because they’ve been birthin’ from day one.

    Then again, how many “leaders” have ever risked their lives on the battlefield? They imagine themselves like a general in their bunker, sending the soldiers to battle and reaping the rewards of victory.

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    Nightflyer September 29, 2015 at 12:30 pm #

    Bonsall Obot:
    Back when I used to get chain hate-mail from my RWNJ friends and family, I’d REPLY ALL with the (easily-found) debunking documentation.

    I no longer get such emails.

    I do a similar thing, particularly when I get errant nonsense that can get shot down by Snopes.com. Sometimes I get notes back reflecting embarrassment.

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    Nightflyer September 29, 2015 at 12:33 pm #

    The Magic M (not logged in): Won’t happen. They can’t even bother to attend birther rallies around the corner, they would never dare risk their own lives, they always hope others will die for them.

    “Let’s you and him fight.” — J. Wellington Wimpy.

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    Nightflyer September 29, 2015 at 12:38 pm #

    One of the oddest things I find about birther web sites and their forum chat (and that of right-wing nutjobs in generals) is their obsession with gay sex.

    They always accuse their opponents of being gay (as if that’s a criminal offense), and sometimes their colleagues (when they’re having some internal drama), and usually seem to know a great deal about sexual practices they say they loathe and despise.

    I’ve always wondered about how they become so knowledgeable about that, and more importantly, why?

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    Dr. Conspiracy September 29, 2015 at 12:48 pm #

    I have picked up some words and phrases from BR that I never knew, and had to look up them up. The most notable was the whole “gerbil” thing (and from that the name of my parody web site, GerbilReport.com).

    Some of the folks there refer to me as Dr. Cornhole, which is funny because around here, “cornhole” is a bean bag tossing game.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornhole

    But I agree. The homoerotic fetishism at BR is bizarre. See also:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2014/07/homoerotic-fetishism-at-birther-report/

    Nightflyer: I’ve always wondered about how they become so knowledgeable about that, and more importantly, why?

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    Pete September 29, 2015 at 1:31 pm #

    Oh, dear. And here I thought the whole “gerbil” thing was simply something like a variant of referring to someone as being “Mickey Mouse.”

    Hard-core birthers in general do not seem to be moral people. I don’t exactly share the general recent assessment in this thread.

    In our society of today, they are fortunately almost powerless. They are, however, the same people who used to spectate and cheer and pack picnics while black people were flogged and hung from trees.

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    Nightflyer September 29, 2015 at 2:30 pm #

    Pete:
    Oh, dear. And here I thought the whole “gerbil” thing was simply something like a variant of referring to someone as being “Mickey Mouse.”

    Hard-core birthers in general do not seem to be moral people. I don’t exactly share the general recent assessment in this thread.

    In our society of today, they are fortunately almost powerless. They are, however, the same people who used to spectate and cheer and pack picnics while black people were flogged and hung from trees.

    Obviously they’re not moral, and obviously, lacking solid arguments, they prefer to hit below the belt, and blame their enemies for “having had to do so.”

    Furthermore, being right-wing nutjobs, being right-wing nutjobs, regard homosexuality as being utterly horrific, and believe that their enemies (not opponents) must all be gay, because they support gay rights. At the very least, right-wing nutjobs think that if they call their enemies gay, they can achieve two things:

    1. Gratify their own egos
    2. Anger and insult their enemies

    But what baffles me about their homophobia and stream of anti-gay rhetoric is their seeming familiarity with gay sexual practices. How do they know so much about something they regard as abhorrent?

    My guess is that a lot of these guys are extremely deeply closeted gays, who might have even had gay encounters of their own, and think that if they loudly gay-bash, they can deny it to themselves, and nobody will notice their secret life.

    I would bet that they’re the kind of guys who had absolutely no luck whatsoever picking up ANY girl in that bar, and staggered off drunk with some guy at closing time, waking up in the morning in a strange apartment, buck naked, with a strange taste in his mouth, a snoring guy next to him, and suffering an incredible hangover.

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    Nancy R Owens September 29, 2015 at 7:22 pm #

    From what I’ve personally witnessed [Jeb and George Bush, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Graham] all they do is step into the battlefields, pull down their pants, perform rapes, sodomies, child molestations, pull their pants back up, look to the Russian/Cuban infiltrators and say, “See, we’re just like you. Now, let’s get this cocaine train a rolling. Kill as many innocent Americans as you please because, quite frankly, we don’t give a d**n.”

    The Magic M (not logged in):
    They’re basically like children.
    “Mommy will punish you and then she will give *me* all the cookies!”

    Just the same they expect “the mob” to do their dirty job, then they want to be crowned God Emperor because they’ve been birthin’ from day one.

    Then again, how many “leaders” have ever risked their lives on the battlefield? They imagine themselves like a general in their bunker, sending the soldiers to battle and reaping the rewards of victory.

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    justlw September 29, 2015 at 8:57 pm #

    An article in Pando (paywall, but the article’s unlocked for 24 hours) details the calculus behind Trump going birther in 2011, a scheme hatched by his now-former political consultant Roger Stone.

    I haven’t seen Stone mentioned here before; his birtherism is, says the article, not at all ideological but purely pragmatic. He’s described as one of Nixon’s Dirty Tricksters from the early ’70s.

    The Donald Trump – Roger Stone show: Birth Harder

    Stone: “Personally I think it is brilliant. It’s base building. It gives voice to a concern shared by many on the right.”

  64. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy September 30, 2015 at 3:22 pm #

    The Philippines own birther crisis rages with news coverage daily. Is Grace Poe a natural born citizen? Three new articles:

    http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/09/30/1505491/comelec-may-defer-set-ruling-poe

    http://opinion.inquirer.net/88971/foundling-grace-now-a-heroine

    http://www.manilatimes.net/lies-damned-lies-and-grace-poe-llamanzares/221344/

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    Dave B. September 30, 2015 at 4:25 pm #

    Over at the thing-that-won’t-die Mario said Vattel settled all that.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    The Philippines own birther crisis rages with news coverage daily. Is Grace Poe a natural born citizen? Three new articles:

    http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/09/30/1505491/comelec-may-defer-set-ruling-poe

    http://opinion.inquirer.net/88971/foundling-grace-now-a-heroine

    http://www.manilatimes.net/lies-damned-lies-and-grace-poe-llamanzares/221344/

  66. avatar
    Pete September 30, 2015 at 4:55 pm #

    Of course. Everyone knows Vattel was by far the major influence on the definition of “natural born citizen” in Filipino Constitutional law.

  67. avatar
    Nightflyer September 30, 2015 at 4:56 pm #

    Pete:
    Of course. Everyone knows Vattel was by far the major influence on the definition of “natural born citizen” in Filipino Constitutional law.

    I want to see Vattel’s impact on Mattel Toys.

  68. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG September 30, 2015 at 5:22 pm #

    Nightflyer: I want to see Vattel’s impact on Mattel Toys.

    I think he had a hand in Kenner going under. I just can’t shake this gut feeling, ya know?

  69. avatar
    Nightflyer September 30, 2015 at 5:23 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: I think he had a hand in Kenner going under. I just can’t shake this gut feeling, ya know?

    Hey, Mattel owned the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus for a while…most of the Birthers could fill in for their acts…elephants, trapeze artists, high-wire walkers, and most of all…clowns, clowns, clowns,clowns….

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    Pete September 30, 2015 at 6:09 pm #

    Nightflyer: I want to see Vattel’s impact on Mattel Toys.

    Well, enormous, of course. He lent his name to the entire enterprise.

    They just turned the V upside down and doubled it to modernize the name a bit, and voila! Mattel.

    And Barbie was created as a representation of Vattel’s ideal of woman. Blonde, large breasts, long legs… This is what woman was MEANT to be.

    Unfortunately unpatriotic treasonous usurpers have now come along trying to poisonously corrupt Vattel’s ideal. Horrible stuff.

    http://time.com/3593968/the-new-normal-barbie-comes-with-an-average-womans-proportions-and-cellulite-sticker-extension-packs/

  71. avatar
    bob October 1, 2015 at 10:47 am #

    SCOTUS published a list of cert. grants.

    A shocker: Judy’s case’s not one of them.

  72. avatar
    John Reilly October 1, 2015 at 11:08 am #

    bob:
    SCOTUS published a list of cert. grants.

    A shocker: Judy’s case’s not one of them.

    Who could have seen that coming?

  73. avatar
    bgansel9 October 1, 2015 at 11:43 am #

    Nightflyer: Hey, Mattel owned the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus for a while…most of the Birthers could fill in for their acts…elephants, trapeze artists, high-wire walkers, and most of all…clowns, clowns, clowns,clowns….

    Interesting. My boyfriend is a great grandson of Charles Ringling. I don’t think he is aware of this. He hasn’t kept up with the family business since before it dissolved.

  74. avatar
    bgansel9 October 1, 2015 at 11:44 am #

    bob: A shocker: Judy’s case’s not one of them.

    So, will CRJ show up and admit we tried to tell him this would happen and he was wrong? Probably not, huh?

  75. avatar
    bob October 1, 2015 at 12:14 pm #

    bgansel9: So, will CRJ show up and admit we tried to tell him this would happen and he was wrong? Probably not, huh?

    Of course not; he’ll crow about his birther case pended for the longest at SCOTUS, as if that’s an accomplishment.

    Judy on Teh Facebook:

    Nothing on my Case in the Orders List this AM. A little perplexing.. Not good to be not included on the “granted” list here.

    * * *

    Just talked to a U.S. Supreme Court Clerk who said the majority of decisions from the September 28th Conference will be released Oct 5th.

  76. avatar
    justlw October 1, 2015 at 12:15 pm #

    In the sense of “not even the slightest bit perplexing.”

  77. avatar
    bgansel9 October 1, 2015 at 12:23 pm #

    bob: “Just talked to a U.S. Supreme Court Clerk who said the majority of decisions from the September 28th Conference will be released Oct 5th.” (CRJ)

    Oh my, what will he do when his cert isn’t granted on that day either? LMAO

  78. avatar
    Benji Franklin October 1, 2015 at 12:51 pm #

    bgansel9: “Just talked to a U.S. Supreme Court Clerk who said the majority of decisions from the September 28th Conference will be released Oct 5th.” (CRJ)

    Oh my, what will he do when his cert isn’t granted on that day either? LMAO

    He will painstakingly talk to each person on Earth, until he encounters at least one, who tells him that there is a way to characterize in written English, the improbability of finding dog poop on the planet Venus, such that that declaration alone becomes an additional ground for appealing to SCOTUS for reconsideration of his denied cert application, and then he will do so and triumphantly tell us about it.

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    Pete October 1, 2015 at 1:57 pm #

    bob: Nothing on my Case in the Orders List this AM. A little perplexing.. Not good to be not included on the “granted” list here.

    Perplexing in the sense of, “I dropped this bowling ball on my foot, and now my foot seems to be swollen.”

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    Rickey October 1, 2015 at 9:01 pm #

    justlw:
    In the sense of “not even the slightest bit perplexing.”

    I explained to CRJ that the best possible outcome for him from the 9/28 conference would be SCOTUS reversing its denial of his in forma pauperis application. Even if his cert petition had any merit it wasn’t going to be granted without SCOTUS soliciting a response from the respondents.

    But CRJ lives in a fantasy world where he belives that he is going to force President Obama to flee the country in Air Force One, Reality has no discernible effect upon CRJ.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) October 2, 2015 at 4:58 am #

    Rickey: But CRJ lives in a fantasy world where he belives that he is going to force President Obama to flee the country in Air Force One

    Technically, any plane the President is on is Air Force One, even if he flees in a small private Cessna. 😉 (Oh no, did I just wake the Fuddy crowd again?)

  82. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) October 2, 2015 at 5:00 am #

    Benji Franklin: the improbability of finding dog poop on the planet Venus, such that that declaration alone becomes an additional ground for appealing to SCOTUS for reconsideration of his denied cert application, and then he will do so and triumphantly tell us about it.

    Obviously, Obama’s real BC is submerged in the newly found Waters of Mars! We need an immediate flight to Mars to prove they are not there. (Nobody trusts those Martians, mind you, they’re not from the *red* planet for no reason at all.)

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    Northland10 October 2, 2015 at 7:33 am #

    The Magic M (not logged in): Technically, any plane the President is on is Air Force One, even if he flees in a small private Cessna. (Oh no, did I just wake the Fuddy crowd again?)

    Well, technicallly, a small private Cessna would be Executive One. If it were a Navy plane, it would be Navy One, and so on.

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    Northland10 October 2, 2015 at 9:15 am #

    Northland10: Well, technicallly, a small private Cessna would be Executive One.If it were a Navy plane, it would be Navy One, and so on.

    As a bit of trivia, there has never been a Coast Guard One, though there was a Coast Guard Two when Biden was on a helicopter to check flooding in Atlanta. The only Navy One was when GWB flew to the carrier for his “mission accomplished” speech.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_of_the_President_of_the_United_States

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    Nightflyer October 2, 2015 at 10:14 am #

    bgansel9: Interesting.My boyfriend is a great grandson of Charles Ringling. I don’t think he is aware of this.He hasn’t kept up with the family business since before it dissolved.

    Let him know…I was amused when Mattel had it for a while. They were obviously using it to promote their products.

  86. avatar
    Pete October 2, 2015 at 12:35 pm #

    The Magic M (not logged in): Technically, any plane the President is on is Air Force One, even if he flees in a small private Cessna.

    But not if he’s no longer President.

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    justlw October 2, 2015 at 12:48 pm #

    Pete: But not if he’s no longer President.

    IIRC, when Nixon left the White House for California on August 9, 1974, his plane’s call sign changed from Air Force One in midflight after Ford was sworn in.

  88. avatar
    Rickey October 2, 2015 at 2:32 pm #

    CRJ’s latest is that he wants to be included in the Democratic debate on October 13.

    Why he is “running” as a Democrat is perplexing. If he wants to challenge the eligibility of Rubio, Cruz, and Jindal he should run as a Republican, which would at least arguably give him standing. Of course, the fact that he has no chance of winning would be an insurmountable obstacle.

  89. avatar
    Nightflyer October 2, 2015 at 2:34 pm #

    Rickey:
    CRJ’s latest is that he wants to be included in the Democratic debate on October 13.

    Why he is “running” as a Democrat is perplexing. If he wants to challenge the eligibility of Rubio, Cruz, and Jindal he should run as a Republican, which would at least arguably give him standing. Of course, the fact that he has no chance of winning would be an insurmountable obstacle.

    The Democrats haven’t had a comical candidate since George McGovern, and they need one for fairness.

    (Which is admittedly unfair to McGovern. He was a legitimate war hero and an outstanding senator, who was in over his head as presidential candidate, but in 1972, he pulled some whoppers)