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High temp of 80 predicted for Phoenix today

It should be considerably cooler when Mike Zullo reports for his resumed deposition today in the Melendres v. Arpaio contempt trial of Joe Arpaio et al.  As much as I would like to know what will happen, considerable uncertainty prevails. Things we don’t know include:

  • Will Mike Zullo show up?
  • Will some last-minute legal maneuver scuttle the deposition, at least for today?
  • Will he be represented by an attorney?
  • Will he refuse to answer any, some, many, most or all questions? Update: Zullo invoked the 5th Amendment on most questions, according to Stephen Lemons at the PNT.
  • Will his answers support or undermine Sheriff Arpaio’s testimony that he did not initiate or encourage the investigation of Judge Snow?
  • Will there be any questions related to the Cold Case Posse’s birth certificate investigation?
  • Will anybody’s universe shatter as a result of today’s deposition?

Certainly Mr. Zullo will be asked about the 3,649 pages of documents he produced in response to a Plaintiff’s subpoena, and perhaps about the 78 additional documents released to Plaintiffs over Zullo’s objection (I presume this has happened by now pursuant to Judge Snows’ order) .

Mike Zullo was described by Stephen Lemons of the Phoenix New Times as Sheriff Arpaio’s G. Gordon Liddy. Zullo was Arpaio’s go-to man when it came to the sensitive topic of investigating Obama’s birth certificate, and later, for reasons that may be revealed today, accompanying uniformed officers of the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office to Seattle to work with confidential informant Dennis Montgomery.

We know from briefs filed by Zullo himself in the Melendres case that he, in contrast to all of the others who have testified so far, still believes the conspiracy theories spun by Dennis Montgomery, theories that Arpaio called junk, and his hired NSA consultants called a “total fraud.” Zullo sees a vast conspiracy of government agency that, along with the ACLU, is out to destroy Joe Arpaio.

I doubt the plaintiffs in Melendres are particularly interested in the birth certificate investigation, but I’m confident that they will want to understand fully what Zullo was doing in Seattle, why a posse volunteer was there in an official criminal investigation. They will want to know what the man who talks to Joe Arpaio almost every day, was saying to the man who doesn’t leave an email trail. The fact that the County paid Zullo’s expenses, and Zullo was “activated” by the Sheriff for the operation, gives the Sheriffs Office a clear responsibility for what Zullo was doing, but what could Zullo do that couldn’t be done better by regular law enforcement?

We know from already-disclosed Zullo emails that the Cold Case Posse was paying Montgomery for something (Zullo said “software”) related to the birth certificate. Was the County, once again, subsidizing that effort by paying Zullo’s expenses, as it did previously when a deputy accompanied Zullo to Hawaii?

Mike Zullo may testify in court as early as Tuesday afternoon.

41 Responses to High temp of 80 predicted for Phoenix today

  1. avatar
    bovril November 9, 2015 at 8:55 am #

    •Will Mike Zullo show up?

    He is ALMOST stupid enough not to but considering the slapping around he has taken, he will

    •Will some last-minute legal maneuver scuttle the deposition, at least for today?

    He will try something along the line of ‘I haz no lawyer’, the judge will say ‘tough’ and away we go….

    •Will he be represented by an attorney?

    Should but seems to cheap to do it himself

    •Will he refuse to answer any, some, many, most or all questions?

    He sill try and babble about ‘5th Amendment’, the judges will try and be nice and remind him that these are MCSO work products so, speak or else.

    •Will his answers support or undermine Sheriff Arpaio’s testimony that he did not initiate or encourage the investigation of Judge Snow?

    Knowing Zullo……Both……the judge will draw his own conclusions

    •Will there be any questions related to the Cold Case Posse’s birth certificate investigation?

    Peripherally if only because ZULLO has made such a big old thing about it

    •Will anybody’s universe shatter as a result of today’s deposition

    Obots will laugh, Birthers will whine then promptly ignore, Piehole will pull the senile old fool defence

  2. avatar
    Nancy R Owens November 9, 2015 at 9:13 am #

    What time does it start, do you know? There’s a three hour or so difference of time between Arizona and Florida so I often miss the later articles and tweets about Zullo and Arpaio if I’m not paying attention. Will @stephenlemons be privy to the deposition?

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    The Magic M (not logged in) November 9, 2015 at 9:25 am #

    I doubt the plaintiffs in Melendres are particularly interested in the birth certificate investigation

    It would be a hoot if plaintiffs added one of Obama’s former lawyers to the case, like Scott Tepper. 😉

    bovril: He sill try and babble about ‘5th Amendment’, the judges will try and be nice and remind him that these are MCSO work products so, speak or else.

    Maybe he thinks pulling a Kim Davis and going to jail for a short time is going to make him a martyr among birthers. After all, there might still be some money to be fleeced for the “Mike Zolus [pronounced: soulless] Defense Fund”.

  4. avatar
    Curious George November 9, 2015 at 9:31 am #

    Mikey will stomp his feet, hold his breath until his face turns blue and whine, “Because I don’t haaavve too” when asked, “Why won’t you answer our questions.”

    This will be the great Birther hope being exposed for all to see. Little Mikey is going to see what’s left of his Birther support evaporate this week.

  5. avatar
    Bob November 9, 2015 at 9:32 am #

    I’m thinking he’ll barricade himself in his home with an arsenal, hostages, and a manifesto.

  6. avatar
    Curious George November 9, 2015 at 9:47 am #

    Mikey,
    Back by popular request and because of your special day today…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ab8BOu4LE

  7. avatar
    john November 9, 2015 at 10:24 am #

    Remember Zullo is an idiot and dunst according to the Obots therefore he doesn’t know anything. Remember, Zullo must understand the questions that are asked of him and they must be clear. Zullo’s due process protection allows him to make sure that each question asked of him is clear and he is able to understand it. Therefore, never agree with the attorney and always if possible answer a question with a question. Also remember there is no time for Zullo to answer the questions. In chess, players can take up to 2 hours to make a move. Good luck Mike Zullo.

    Great Quotes:

    “Don’t bother me….I’m,I’m,I’m thinking.”

    Miss Gulch: [comes into the Gales’ yard] I want to see you and your wife right away about Dorothy!
    Uncle Henry Gale: Dorothy? Well, what has Dorothy done?
    Miss Gulch: What she’s done? I’m all but lame from the bite on my leg!
    Uncle Henry Gale: Oh! You mean she bit you?
    Miss Gulch: No, her dog!
    Uncle Henry Gale: Oh, she bit her dog, eh?
    [Uncle Henry tries to shut the gate, but it hits her on the backside]
    Miss Gulch: [exasperated] No!

  8. avatar
    Slartibartfast November 9, 2015 at 10:28 am #

    I’m convinced that Birther Mikey wants a lawyer to protect him from the ebil Judge Snow—he’s not concerned about his testimony tending to incriminate him, just about President Obama’s minions (like Judge Snow) railroading him. As such, I’m not sure he’s thinking about how his testimony could reflect negatively on Birther Joe, because, to him, Birther Joe’s actions have all been above reproach.

    Just my $0.02.

    It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

  9. avatar
    Jim November 9, 2015 at 10:30 am #

    The burning question I have about the deposition is…

    Will Zullo ask them to call him “Commandant” or “Detective”?

  10. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 9, 2015 at 10:56 am #

    It starts at 9 AM Phoenix time. The deposition will not be open to the public or the press.

    Nancy R Owens: What time does it start, do you know?

  11. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 9, 2015 at 11:01 am #

    That reminds me of a plaque I once saw: “Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits.”

    john: “Don’t bother me….I’m,I’m,I’m thinking.”

  12. avatar
    Rickey November 9, 2015 at 12:01 pm #

    Nancy R Owens:
    What time does it start, do you know? There’s a three hour or so difference of time between Arizona and Florida so I often miss the later articles and tweets about Zullo and Arpaio if I’m not paying attention. Will @stephenlemons be privy to the deposition?

    Arizona doesn’t go on Daylight Saving Time, so the time difference with the east coast is three hours in the summer but two hours now. So it is now approximately 10 a.m. in Phoenix.

    I doubt that Lemons is present.

  13. avatar
    justlw November 9, 2015 at 1:07 pm #

    Mike Zullo was described by Stephen Lemons of the Phoenix New Times as Sheriff Arpaio’s G. Gordon Liddy

    “I can totally hold my hand in a candle flame, and it’ll be universe-shattering when I do. Trust me!”

  14. avatar
    justlw November 9, 2015 at 1:10 pm #

    john: idiot and dunst

    He’s an idiot! She’s thinks she’s Kirsten Dunst! Wait till you see how they handle crime in Arizona! Idiot and Dunst: Fridays this fall, after Petrocelli. NB-See it!

  15. avatar
    bob November 9, 2015 at 5:57 pm #

    Lemons reports Zullo at his deposition invoked the Fifth Amendment.

  16. avatar
    Rickey November 9, 2015 at 5:58 pm #

    Update from Lemons:

    Update November 9, 2015 3:20 p.m.: Below is a copy of Zullo’s notice of appeal, dated today, November 9. It has not yet been filed on the court’s docket.

    Sources indicate that Zullo’s deposition did take place today and that he did invoke his 5th Amendment privilege.

    http://images.phoenixnewtimes.com/media/pdf/0539_001.pdf

  17. avatar
    Rickey November 9, 2015 at 5:58 pm #

    bob:
    Lemons reports Zullo at his deposition invoked the Fifth Amendment.

    You beat me by a minute!

  18. avatar
    gorefan November 9, 2015 at 6:04 pm #

    bob:
    Lemons reports Zullo at his deposition invoked the Fifth Amendment.

    Could his taking the fifth have a negative impact on Arpaio?

  19. avatar
    john November 9, 2015 at 6:38 pm #

    “They will want to know what the man who talks to Joe Arpaio almost every day, was saying to the man who doesn’t leave an email trail.”

    I suppose Arpaio probably talks to GOD almost every day and only GOD knows those answers…you will have to ask him.

  20. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 9, 2015 at 6:43 pm #

    I don’t think so. I should note that Judge Snow might order Zullo to answer questions in court.

    gorefan: Could his taking the fifth have a negative impact on Arpaio?

  21. avatar
    Pete November 9, 2015 at 6:45 pm #

    john: Remember Zullo is an idiot and dunst according to the Obots…

    I think you mean “dunce.”

    This is a dunce.

    This is a dunst.

  22. avatar
    tes November 9, 2015 at 6:47 pm #

    Further update from Lemons: “Sources indicate that Zullo’s deposition did take place today and that he did invoke his 5th Amendment privilege. I’m told he took it on most questions. Deposition lasted through noon, apparently.”

  23. avatar
    Pete November 10, 2015 at 1:20 am #

    The fact that the County paid Zullo’s expenses, and Zullo was “activated” by the Sheriff for the operation, gives the Sheriffs Office a clear responsibility for what Zullo was doing, but what could Zullo do that couldn’t be done better by regular law enforcement?

    Now that is a really, really good question.

    Is it just that Zullo “earned” his way there by being such a helpful boy with the birth certificate “investigation?”

    Come to think of it, why would Arpaio entrust a volunteer used-car salesman to head up something as important as an investigation of the possible forgery of the birth certificate of the President of the United States?

    Personally, if I had a suspicion, any suspicion at all, that the President’s birth certificate was forged, I’d put an expert investigator on the case. Even if it had to be a volunteer job that used no county funds, I’d find an expert investigator who was willing to look into it in his spare time.

  24. avatar
    Curious George November 10, 2015 at 4:41 am #

    “… but what could Zullo do that couldn’t be done better by regular law enforcement?”

    All the things that the sheriff wanted done that only he and Zullo knew about and hopefully did not become the subject of scrutiny by the normal chain of command or the media. It looks like Zullo and Arpaio had their little secrets.

  25. avatar
    alg November 10, 2015 at 8:19 am #

    john: I suppose Arpaio probably talks to GOD almost every day and only GOD knows those answers…you will have to ask him.

    Actually Sheriff Joe has never talked to me – at least not without asking me to damn somebody. He’s been doing that a lot lately.

  26. avatar
    Sef November 10, 2015 at 9:27 am #

    Pete: Personally, if I had a suspicion, any suspicion at all, that the President’s birth certificate was forged, I’d put an expert investigator on the case. Even if it had to be a volunteer job that used no county funds, I’d find an expert investigator who was willing to look into it in his spare time.

    Shouldn’t the first question be: Do I or my agency have jurisdiction over any potential forgery. If not, send the info to the appropriate agency. In this case, the FBI.

  27. avatar
    gorefan November 10, 2015 at 11:22 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I don’t think so. I should note that Judge Snow might order Zullo to answer questions in court.

    As I understand it, Judge Snow can make an “adverse inference” against Arpaio by Zullo invoking the Fifth.

    http://www.gibsondunn.com/publications/Documents/Battaglia-Adriance-FifthAmendmentCanAndWillBeUsedAgainstYou.pdf

  28. avatar
    Rickey November 10, 2015 at 11:28 am #

    New update from Lemons, which contains some explosive information.

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/joe-arpaios-cloak-and-dagger-seattle-operation-files-released-7804727

  29. avatar
    Benji Franklin November 10, 2015 at 11:39 am #

    Pete: Come to think of it, why would Arpaio entrust a volunteer used-car salesman to head up something as important as an investigation of the possible forgery of the birth certificate of the President of the United States?

    Yes, and the corrupting aspects of this farcical, sham, political smear initiative, termed an “investigation” were attendant to it from the very beginning. A blatant partisan request from the Tea Party which Our Pie Hole touted as his OFFICIAL response to a request from the county citizens he represents, an “investigation” which he inexplicably assigned to non-police and dedicated no funding to, and then, after declaring that the documents were “forgeries”, even more inexplicably, when his own county prosecutor told him his “evidence” was insufficient, Our Pie Hole still did not involve the conventional law enforcement resources of the police department to develop a prosecutable case for a matter of such alleged importance, but instead, verified the whole thing was a partisan political witch hunt by declaring he’d done every thing he could, and now Congress should pursue the matter.

  30. avatar
    gorefan November 10, 2015 at 12:00 pm #

    Rickey:
    New update from Lemons, which contains some explosive information.

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/joe-arpaios-cloak-and-dagger-seattle-operation-files-released-7804727

    The Fogbow is mentioned as is RC. Montgomery outed them.

    We now know where the Zullo reference to DARPA comes from.

  31. avatar
    Pete November 10, 2015 at 1:10 pm #

    I certainly haven’t read all of Mackiewicz’s account, but note that when they first made contact with Blixseth, he was “in the middle of a very contagious bankruptcy proceeding.”

    See, this illustrates some of the extreme hazards, financial and otherwise, of being in the investimigation business, and fully reinforces the FACT, my friends, that Mackie and Zullo are genu-wine American heroes who’ve truly EARNED every single penny of their ill-gotten gain.

  32. avatar
    Sef November 10, 2015 at 1:18 pm #

    gorefan: The Fogbow is mentioned as is RC.Montgomery outed them.

    We now know where the Zullo reference to DARPA comes from.

    Stern @ TFB has debunked this “outing”. http://thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5328&start=5950#p700216

  33. avatar
    Pete November 10, 2015 at 1:43 pm #

    If I understand correctly, it appears that Montgomery has outed Reality Check as Richard Skalsky of Palo Alto, California?!

    Oh, deerz! Whatever are we Obots going to do??

    http://ii.mypivots.com/uf/218/c924d6cf-f506-4a02-87d1-44f59dd49535.jpg

  34. avatar
    Pete November 10, 2015 at 1:48 pm #

    I’ve only skimmed it so far, but this document dump is clearly a fabulous treasure trove of entertainment.

    ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡THIS IS IT, FOLKZ! THE UNIVERSE HAZ BEEN SH*TTERED!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://scienceline.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/bigbang1.jpg

  35. avatar
    Jim November 10, 2015 at 2:12 pm #

    Wait, Zullo was also investigating TFB?!?!?!

    So who’s going to frogmarch first, TFB or Zullo? My money’s on Zullo! 😀

  36. avatar
    Pete November 10, 2015 at 2:28 pm #

    Well, I don’t know but I paid for the FROG-MARCHING DELUXE PACKAGE and it’s about time for some FROG-MARCHING!

  37. avatar
    Pete November 10, 2015 at 2:43 pm #

    FROG-MARCHING! FROG-MARCHING!

    WTP demand it!

    [with non-apologies to Dr. Deb/ boomerbabe]

  38. avatar
    Keith November 10, 2015 at 9:03 pm #

    Sef: Shouldn’t the first question be: Do I or my agency have jurisdiction over any potential forgery. If not, send the info to the appropriate agency. In this case, the FBI.

    Yes, but in Joe’s case, the first question always had to be “will this help me distract my true-believers from the DOJ investigation and how can I raise money off it”?

  39. avatar
    Keith November 10, 2015 at 9:05 pm #

    Benji Franklin: … as his OFFICIAL response to a request from the county citizens he represents…

    Arpaio wasn’t elected to ‘represent’ anybody. He was elected to represent the law.

  40. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 10, 2015 at 10:55 pm #

    Zullo pled the 5th on the stand in Court this afternoon. Judge Snow ordered that the Zullo exhibits be admitted in evidence.

  41. avatar
    J.D. Sue November 10, 2015 at 11:53 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Zullo pled the 5th on the stand in Court this afternoon. Judge Snow ordered that the Zullo exhibits be admitted in evidence.

    —-
    Well, Doc, this is a big day. So much material released, and so much more to come. It’s not exactly universe shattering, but it sure is satisfying.