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Melendres Anticipation

It’s not a good week to get banned at Birther Report because I have a lot of dead time today waiting for the oral arguments in the Melendres case on Friday. I’ve relied for years on the fact that the birthers are always up to something to supply blogging material for this site, but that is not a guarantee. Maybe I’ll have to work on those two draft articles I started a couple weeks ago including, “Conspiracy v. Accident,” that’s about dismissing conspiracy theory connections as accidents, and how valid that approach is.

This article can serve as a placeholder for discussion on the upcoming conclusion of the Melendres case.

The Melendres Docket shows a little activity. A motion on the admissibility of exhibits 2947 and 2948 is being argued. The Defense position is that those documents are covered by attorney-client privilege. Those exhibits are an email from counsel Iafrate to MCSO employees and an attachment. A number of transcripts and transcript requests have also been filed.

Finally the County asks Judge Snow to take judicial notice [ECF 1553] of the millions of dollars that they have been ordered to pay to the Court-appointed monitor and the fees awarded to Plaintiffs, totaling  almost $8.8 million. There is no explanation as to why the Defendant County wants the judge to take notice of these, but I speculate that it might be a factor the judge might consider towards mitigating any future penalties he might impose for contempt of court.

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62 Responses to Melendres Anticipation

  1. avatar
    bovril November 17, 2015 at 10:07 am #

    So,

    The county is complaining (in effect) that they should not be on the hook for the monitoring that has HAD to occurs due to gross incompetence, cavalier disregard of the law, outright lies to the court and contempt….?

    If I was the county I would want to be seeing what amount of that money can be clawed back front those Muppets who caused the issues on the first place that lead to the monitoring……

    There is a fine line between chutzpah and insult…….definitely moving that pendulum towards the latter IMHO

  2. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 17, 2015 at 10:36 am #

    Tes at WYE has excellent detailed coverage of events in Melendres:

    http://tesibria.typepad.com/wye/2015/06/2015.html

  3. avatar
    bob November 17, 2015 at 11:45 am #

    Arpaio and the county have divergent interests. The county is likely going to argue against a monetary sanction because Arpaio passes those costs along to county, but the sanctions don’t actually change his behavior. So the county gets punished for doing nothing wrong while Arpaio remains undeterred and continues to evade meaningful punishment.

    I would not be surprised if the county argues for a criminal referral for Arpaio.

  4. avatar
    Jim November 17, 2015 at 12:13 pm #

    What about the judicial notice that Zullops gave the court on his appeal to the 9th? Oh yeah…Mike Zilcho, all talk, no action. Fits in well with that group of tough talkers over there at BR, so tough they can’t even defend their positions from a retired anti-birther hobbiest. Now that’s really pathetic.

  5. avatar
    Pete November 17, 2015 at 12:58 pm #

    bob: I would not be surprised if the county argues for a criminal referral for Arpaio.

    Would like to see that.

  6. avatar
    Nancy R Owens November 17, 2015 at 1:47 pm #

    Wow.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Tes at WYE has excellent detailed coverage of events in Melendres:

    http://tesibria.typepad.com/wye/2015/06/2015.html

  7. avatar
    Georgetown JD November 17, 2015 at 2:52 pm #

    Having a lot of dead time has allowed me to productively pursue non-birther reading. I’ve just started Warren Zanes’ biography of Tom Petty, which arrived from Amazondotcom this morning.

    I highly recommend stepping away from the insanity of Birferstan/Arpaioville on a regular basis. It’s good for the soul.

  8. avatar
    tes November 17, 2015 at 3:43 pm #

    Note. ECF 1535 – i.e., motion re admissibility of 2947 and 2948 was deemed moot when Plaintiffs withdrew them. (See Nov. 12 Minutes of Proceedings).

  9. avatar
    Curious George November 17, 2015 at 9:02 pm #

    And then there is the latest motion (Doc. 1560) in Melendres v. Arpaio by the defense for reconsideration regarding the admissibility of Dennis Montgomery’s Hearsay Statements under Rule 801 (d)(2)(D).

    I especially enjoyed the defense comment:

    “The evidence presented to date demonstrates that MCSO and its agents maintained an attitude of skepticism towards the information provided by Mr. Montgomery, and never endorsed his information or statements.”

    But, their endorsement WAS exhibited through their agent, posseman Mikey Zullo calling Blixseth’s “junk, ” “Universe Shattering” information. Can’t have it both ways.

  10. avatar
    john November 17, 2015 at 9:04 pm #

    Assuming Arpaio can delay, and if Trump gets elected, Trump can appoint Arpaio to a position which would make a prosecution more difficult. Perhaps, Arpaio would be made Attorney General or be responsible for Trump’s deportation force.

  11. avatar
    john November 17, 2015 at 9:15 pm #

    I’m curious, with all this talk about the Melendres case, has Doc ever thought about looking into the information on Manuel De Jesus Ortega Melendres. Does anyone actually know who he is. It should be noted that Melendres IS NOT a US Citizen but apparently has a Visa to be in America. I wonder what the status of Melendres’s Visa is. Has it expired??? Is Melendres even living here in America as he was here as a tourist here when he had problems with Arpaio. Are we to believe that millions and Millions dollars and thousands and thousands of hours being spent and used to protect an ILLEGAL ALIEN??? (If Melendres Visa has expired, then he’s illegal) Who knows?

  12. avatar
    john November 17, 2015 at 9:20 pm #

    john:
    I’m curious, with all this talk about the Melendres case, has Doc ever thought about looking into the information on Manuel De Jesus Ortega Melendres.Does anyone actually know who he is.It should be noted that Melendres IS NOT a US Citizen but apparently has a Visa to be in America.I wonder what the status of Melendres’s Visa is.Has it expired???Is Melendres even living here in America as he was here as a tourist here when he had problems with Arpaio.Are we to believe that millions and Millions dollars and thousands and thousands of hours being spent and used to protect an ILLEGAL ALIEN???(If Melendres Visa has expired, then he’s illegal)Who knows?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/27/AR2008072701367.html

    It appears Melendres has a valid Visa until 2016. Will Melendres stay or will he go back home next year?

  13. avatar
    bob November 17, 2015 at 9:28 pm #

    john:
    Assuming Arpaio can delay, and if Trump gets elected, Trump can appoint Arpaio to a position which would make a prosecution more difficult.Perhaps, Arpaio would be made Attorney General or be responsible for Trump’s deportation force.

    Setting aside why you waste your time pondering such fantasies, no political appointment would make it more difficult to prosecute Arpaio.

    john:
    It should be noted that Melendres IS NOT a US Citizen but apparently has a Visa to be in America.

    And? It is a class action; the plaintiff isn't just one person.

    More importantly: Arpaio violated the U.S. Constitution. Why do you ignore Arpaio’s wrongful acts? All the time and money being spent is because Arpaio ignored the U.S. Constitution.

  14. avatar
    Georgetown JD November 17, 2015 at 11:16 pm #

    john:
    Assuming Arpaio can delay, and if Trump gets elected, Trump can appoint Arpaio to a position which would make a prosecution more difficult.Perhaps, Arpaio would be made Attorney General or be responsible for Trump’s deportation force.

    First, that won’t work.

    Second, given that Arpaio is not an attorney (he has a high school diploma), he’d have a problem fulfilling the duties of the ATTORNEY General, to-wit: “to prosecute and conduct all suits in the Supreme Court in which the United States shall be concerned, and to give his advice and opinion upon questions of law when required by the president of the United States, or when requested by the heads of any of the departments.”

    Plus, he’s absolutely clueless about evidence. His staff would have an average IQ about 100 points above the sycophants he presently surrounds himself with (and I’m including the night cleaning crew in “staff”).

  15. avatar
    john November 17, 2015 at 11:38 pm #

    Georgetown JD: First, that won’t work.

    Second, given that Arpaio is not an attorney (he has a high school diploma), he’d have a problem fulfilling the duties of the ATTORNEY General, to-wit:“to prosecute and conduct all suits in the Supreme Court in which the United States shall be concerned, and to give his advice and opinion upon questions of law when required by the president of the United States, or when requested by the heads of any of the departments.”

    Plus, he’s absolutely clueless about evidence.His staff would have an average IQ about 100 points above the sycophants he presently surrounds himself with (and I’m including the night cleaning crew in “staff”).

    It’s funny that you say Arpaio would have trouble fulfilling the duties of the AG and you are probably right as he is not a lawyer. But to be the POTUS requires absolutely no qualifications whatsoever other you have be 35, an NBC and a resident in the country for 15 years. I do see the Irony.

  16. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 18, 2015 at 12:12 am #

    14 years

    john: and a resident in the country for 15 years.

  17. avatar
    Curious George November 18, 2015 at 12:19 am #

    John:

    “It’s funny that you say Arpaio would have trouble fulfilling the duties of the AG and you are probably right as he is not a lawyer. But to be the POTUS requires absolutely no qualifications whatsoever other you have be 35, an NBC and a resident in the country for 15 years. I do see the Irony.”

    John, Arpaio loses on both counts. Arpaio is also not an NBC according to Birther poppycock.

    And, he’s a sheriff who doesn’t have a clue about “probable cause” according to former Chief Deputy, Brian Sands’ comments in his book, “Arpaio Defacto Lawman.

    Three strikes and Arpaio and you John, are out.

  18. avatar
    Curious George November 18, 2015 at 12:34 am #

    John:

    “Are we to believe that millions and Millions dollars and thousands and thousands of hours being spent and used to protect an ILLEGAL ALIEN???”

    John, do your research. Melendres was here in the U.S. legally on a Visa. He was detained in violation of the Constitution based on his skin color. No probable cause to be detained or arrested, just his skin color and he had a name that didn’t sound “Merikan.” Based on Arpaio’s sweeps for undesirables of color, one could imagine that even real “Merikans” of color could have been picked up in Arpaio’s unconstitutional sweeps.

    I hate to say it John, but your brain is really on hiatus.

  19. avatar
    Curious George November 18, 2015 at 12:38 am #

    John:

    “Assuming Arpaio can delay, and if Trump gets elected, Trump can appoint Arpaio to a position which would make a prosecution more difficult.Perhaps, Arpaio would be made Attorney General or be responsible for Trump’s deportation force.”

    According to Arpaio, “Trump is a double agent.” He may not accept Trump’s offer. But then again, Arpaio is an opportunist, a Birther, and a politician.

  20. avatar
    tes November 18, 2015 at 12:52 am #

    bob:
    …I would not be surprised if the county argues for a criminal referral for Arpaio…

    The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors consists of 4 Republicans and 1 Democrat. It will indeed be universe shattering if they argue for a criminal referral.

  21. avatar
    Pete November 18, 2015 at 2:21 am #

    john: Assuming Arpaio can delay, and if Trump gets elected, Trump can appoint Arpaio to a position which would make a prosecution more difficult. Perhaps, Arpaio would be made Attorney General or be responsible for Trump’s deportation force.

    How about this, john?

    Criminals get prosecuted.

    Can you buy into that idea?

  22. avatar
    Pete November 18, 2015 at 2:30 am #

    john: But to be the POTUS requires absolutely no qualifications whatsoever other you have be 35, an NBC and a resident in the country for [14] years.

    This is not quite true.

    There’s also that little thing about having to persuade more of America’s 130 million voters to support you, than any other candidate in the race.

    That tends to weed out a few people. This doesn’t include only Cody R Judy (who comes nowhere close), but also some big names of otherwise highly qualified individuals, such as Bob Dole, Al Gore, John Kerry, Mitt Romney, and (so far) Hillary Clinton.

    Sometimes this even includes the person who is arguably the most otherwise-qualified person to serve as President: The incumbent.

    Just ask President Jimmy Carter, President George H W Bush, and President Gerald Ford, none of whom could pass the election hurdle a second time.

  23. avatar
    RanTalbott November 18, 2015 at 3:37 am #

    john: Assuming Arpaio can delay, and if Trump gets elected

    … is one of those cases where “assume” only makes an “ass” of “u”.

    Although, in your case, there’s a good argument that it can’t, because that mission was accomplished a long time ago…

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    Keith November 18, 2015 at 4:21 am #

    Pete: Just ask President Jimmy Carter, President George H W Bush, and President Gerald Ford, none of whom could pass the election hurdle a second time.

    Of course, Gerry didn’t even pass that particular hurdle a first time.

  25. avatar
    john November 18, 2015 at 9:10 am #

    Our government is full of Irony’s like that:

    Nearly all jobs in the United States have a strict set of qualifications but there are no qualifications to be the POTUS other than simple age and birthright qualifications.

    Background checks will be done on someone as low as the janitor in the White House but no background checks are done on the POTUS. Many say that Obama could not pass a background check given is his past associations among other things.

    Millions of Americans have no health insurance or can’t get free college tution but the Democrats want to give ILLEGAL aliens free health insurance and free college tution.

    Million of American have no health insurance and can’t get free college but Gitmo Terrorists and Convicted Felons can get free healthcare and college.

    Elected County Officials (Ex. Kim Davis) won’t get religious accommodations and are thrown in jail while the terrorists at Gitmo receive religious accommodations.

    Convicted Death Row Killers receive 20 Due of Process with full Constitutional Protection while innocent disabled individuals (Terri Schiavo was a great example) get no Due Process and have no Constitutional Protection.

    Millions of Americans live in Poverty (Homeless) and receive little government help while Syrian Refugees receive full government support.

  26. avatar
    john November 18, 2015 at 9:25 am #

    john:
    Our government is full of Irony’s like that:

    Nearly all jobs in the United States have a strict set of qualifications but there are no qualifications to be the POTUS other than simple age and birthright qualifications.

    Background checks will be done on someone as low as the janitor in the White House but no background checks are done on the POTUS.Many say that Obama could not pass a background check given is his past associations among other things.

    Millions of Americans have no health insurance or can’t get free college tution but the Democrats want to give ILLEGAL aliens free health insurance and free college tution.

    Million of American have no health insurance and can’t get free college but Gitmo Terrorists and Convicted Felons can get free healthcare and college.

    Elected County Officials (Ex. Kim Davis) won’t get religious accommodations and are thrown in jail while the terrorists at Gitmo receive religious accommodations.

    Convicted Death Row Killers receive 20 Due of Process with full Constitutional Protection while innocent disabled individuals (Terri Schiavo was a great example) get no Due Process and have no Constitutional Protection.

    Millions of Americans live in Poverty (Homeless) and receive little government helpwhile Syrian Refugees receive full government support.

    Another great example – We are willing to take in 1000’s of Syrian refugees potentally compromising the safety of Millions of American Citizens but we won’t provide safety to the hundreds of pleas of American Citizens overseas (Bengazi was a great example.)

  27. avatar
    john November 18, 2015 at 9:31 am #

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/18/gun-battle-reported-as-french-police-launch-anti-terror-raid-on-paris-suburb/?intcmp=hpbt1

    Interesting, they say a woman blew herself up wearing suicide vest. Some have argued we should only take in the woman and children refugees. This proves that even woman can be just as deadly. And as for as the children go….remember Vietnam…we lost a lot a Americans from the kids (with explosives.) All the Syrian Refugees can be a threat. No Syrian Refugees.

  28. avatar
    Pete November 18, 2015 at 9:33 am #

    Well, at least you’re making some form of political argument now instead of just spouting memes that are 100% without any basis.

  29. avatar
    Pete November 18, 2015 at 9:34 am #

    Now why don’t you answer my question, john?

    It’s a simple one.

    Do you believe criminals should be prosecuted for their crimes?

  30. avatar
    roadburner November 18, 2015 at 10:32 am #

    john:
    Are we to believe that millions and Millions dollars and thousands and thousands of hours being spent and used to protect an ILLEGAL ALIEN???(If Melendres Visa has expired, then he’s illegal)Who knows?

    even if he was, so what?

    if a woman is raped while on holiday in arizona, she makes a complaint and the assailant is arrested and the prosecution started, would you consider it right to stop the process if she over.stays her visa and then becomes one of your beloved `aliens’?

    newsflash – bad guys should be held accountable, regardless of the status of their victims, be it race, religion, nationality, or sexuality.

    there’s no `yeahbut’ in it.

  31. avatar
    James M November 18, 2015 at 10:51 am #

    john: No Syrian Refugees.

    The person you fear will not take the path of most resistance, coming as a refugee. That’s one of the hardest ways to get into the country. I would expect the hypothetical Syrian terrorist to come to the US in a perfunctory manner on a tourist visa from some friendly country, wearing a Brunello Cuchinelli suit, a 7-series BMW waiting at the airport. While you are inspecting and re-inspecting every refugee in the huddled masses, you will have totally missed the real threat. And if our enemy is a genuine threat, then he is smart enough to realize this AND clever enough to manipulate things so that the opportunity is there.

    Of course, your opinions about immigration are valid, and you are entitled to them. I wonder if you have been following the reports of various state governors who plan to refuse entry to Syrian Refugees. I wonder if you can explain a Constitutional basis for that plan.

  32. avatar
    James M November 18, 2015 at 12:00 pm #

    john:
    Who knows?

    Suggesting that there should be no prosecution because of the later status of the victim, is not very different from saying that we shouldn’t prosecute a murder, after all their victim is dead. You’re going to spend all that time and money protecting the rights of someone who is dead? That’s even weirder than protecting an “illegal” (whatever that is — “illegal” is not a noun.)

  33. avatar
    Lupin November 18, 2015 at 12:19 pm #

    john:
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/18/gun-battle-reported-as-french-police-launch-anti-terror-raid-on-paris-suburb/?intcmp=hpbt1

    Interesting, they say a woman blew herself up wearing suicide vest.Some have argued we should only take in the woman and children refugees.This proves that even woman can be just as deadly.And as for as the children go….remember Vietnam…we lost a lot a Americans from the kids (with explosives.)All the Syrian Refugees can be a threat.No Syrian Refugees.

    You seem to be obsessing on this, but I assure you, you are wrong. The danger seems to be coming entirely from “homegrown” already criminalized people, not foreigners just coming into the country.

    I appreciate your concern (assuming it’s genuine and not purely a kneejerk anti-Obama response) but speaking as a Frenchman, I assure you this is not at all where the threat lies.

  34. avatar
    Andy November 18, 2015 at 12:45 pm #

    John, you are missing one point:

    None of the terrorists in Paris have been tied to Syria as of yet. Aren’t you jumping the gun?

  35. avatar
    Keith November 18, 2015 at 1:07 pm #

    Andy:
    John, you are missing one point:

    None of the terrorists in Paris have been tied to Syria as of yet.Aren’t you jumping the gun?

    The story as I understand it is that all of the attackers are 3rd or 4th generation Belgians.

    The mastermind(s) seems to have been completely estranged from parents, mosque, religion. Likely the motivation for the attacks was to get ‘us’ to close our borders to keep the refugees out and thereby create the conditions for ‘helter-skelter’ (a race war). It seems to have worked to listen to some of the GOP candidates and Governors and Prime Ministers.

    One thing is certain. None of the attackers were Syrian refugees nor did they ‘sneak in’ amongst Syrian refugees.

  36. avatar
    The Magic M (not logged in) November 18, 2015 at 1:21 pm #

    john: All the Syrian Refugees can be a threat. No Syrian Refugees.

    So no Belgians and Frenchmen and -women anymore, too.
    Then add the Germans who were behind the Hannover bomb scare.

    But hey, you guys want to close the borders for *everyone* anyway, you’re just forced to admit it a little sooner than you intended to.

  37. avatar
    James M November 18, 2015 at 1:42 pm #

    Andy: None of the terrorists in Paris have been tied to Syria as of yet. Aren’t you jumping the gun?

    Nuanced arguments would correctly establish that the attackers’ motivation includes a desire to provoke some revolutionary cause connected with Syria. It wouldn’t be right to call the Paris attack strictly “domestic terrorism” having no connection with Syria. But then, a person capable of a nuanced argument would probably also understand that the refugee program is one of the least attractive means, to a terrorist, of entering the US or a European nation.

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    James M November 18, 2015 at 1:43 pm #

    The Magic M (not logged in): So no Belgians and Frenchmen and -women anymore, too.
    Then add the Germans who were behind the Hannover bomb scare.

    John is only interested in excluding people that John doesn’t like. He’s not in charge of US immigration policies, so it doesn’t really matter what John doesn’t like.

  39. avatar
    Rickey November 18, 2015 at 10:33 pm #

    john:
    Our government is full of Irony’s like that:

    Nearly all jobs in the United States have a strict set of qualifications but there are no qualifications to be the POTUS other than simple age and birthright qualifications.

    There is nothing ironic about it.

    The same is true of Senators and members of the House of Representatives. The only job-related qualification is the ability to be elected by the voters.

    There is no qualification per se for Attorney General, either. No one said that Arpaio couldn’t qualify for the position of Attorney General. They said that he would have trouble fulfilling his job duties because he is not an attorney.

    There there is the fact that he will turn 85 in 2017. And he might be in prison.

  40. avatar
    RanTalbott November 19, 2015 at 12:16 am #

    john: Elected County Officials (Ex. Kim Davis) won’t get religious accommodations and are thrown in jail while the terrorists at Gitmo receive religious accommodations.

    Convicted Death Row Killers receive 20 Due of Process with full Constitutional Protection while innocent disabled individuals (Terri Schiavo was a great example) get no Due Process and have no Constitutional Protection.

    Both blatant lies, john.

    If Davis had wanted to use her coffee and lunch breaks to bow down to Mecca, or say a few rosaries, or run around the corner to the chapel for a little prayer and/or meditation, she would have gotten more offers of assistance than she could use to fight a refusal to accommodate her. But “accommodation” does not include allowing her to refuse to perform her sworn duties to the public.

    And Schiavo not only got “due process”, she got several metric shiploads of UNdue process in the roughly SEVEN YEARS of court battles over her fate.

  41. avatar
    Matt November 19, 2015 at 1:12 am #

    Rickey: There there is the fact that he will turn 85 in 2017. And he might be in prison.

    And would have to be confirmed by the Senate.

  42. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater November 19, 2015 at 7:28 am #

    john: (Terri Schiavo was a great example) get no Due Process and have no Constitutional Protection.

    Gfy John. Having a relative in a similar state the amount of scrutiny applied to the case was insane. She was evaluated and reevaluated by scores of doctors who came to the same conclusion. So how long should she have been kept going in that state to trot out top the press while her family made money off her condition. I followed the case closely. The only ones who seemed to truly care about her was her mother and her husband. The father only showed up when the cameras were rolling. In all the years she was in that condition her siblings never visited her until the very end. Both siblings collected a paycheck from the foundation that was set up. She never had any chance of recovery and the autopsy showed that.

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    alg November 19, 2015 at 8:54 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Gfy John.Having a relative in a similar state the amount of scrutiny applied to the case was insane. She was evaluated and reevaluated by scores of doctors who came to the same conclusion. So how long should she have been kept going in that state to trot out top the press while her family made money off her condition. I followed the case closely. The only ones who seemed to truly care about her was her mother and her husband. The father only showed up when the cameras were rolling. In all the years she was in that condition her siblings never visited her until the very end.Both siblings collected a paycheck from the foundation that was set up. She never had any chance of recovery and the autopsy showed that.

    I followed the case closely as well and it’s not at all true that Terri Schiavo was not afforded her due process rights under the Constitution. In all, the Schiavo case involved 14 appeals and numerous motions, petitions, and hearings in the Florida courts; five suits in federal district court; extensive political intervention at the levels of the Florida state legislature, then-governor Jeb Bush, the U.S. Congress, and President George W. Bush; and four denials of certiorari from the Supreme Court of the United States.

    The courts ruled as they did, in spite of the intervention of the State of Florida, the U.S. Congress and President Bush, because the medical evidence was undeniable – Terri Schiavo was brain dead. When they conducted the autopsy they found that her cerebral cortex had completely liquefied. Without the cerebral cortex no mind can exist.

    The controversy over Terri Schiavo was an artifact of the voodoo medical “science” of Christian fundamentalism. The true hero of the story was her husband who sought to honor her end of life wishes and to see she was treated with dignity and respect. The Schiavo family and the right wing Christian fundamentalists turned her tragedy into a circus.

    Sorry for going off topic, but the Terri Schiavo tragedy became the debacle it did, much like the birther nonsense factory, because of ignorant right wing nut job a**holes like John.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater November 19, 2015 at 9:09 am #

    alg: The controversy over Terri Schiavo was an artifact of the voodoo medical “science” of Christian fundamentalism. The true hero of the story was her husband who sought to honor her end of life wishes and to see she was treated with dignity and respect. The Schiavo family and the right wing Christian fundamentalists turned her tragedy into a circus.

    Yes I got involved in the political debate because of the Schiavo affair. It deeply offended me when I saw those few protesters who were always outnumbered by the media making a circus of the whole thing. I found it deeply disrespectful that the family set up the “Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation” using a name that she never took up in her life. The family profited from the foundation and the image of their daughter in that state. It was troubling that so many people were willing to disrespect the law in order to use her for their crusade.

  45. avatar
    alg November 19, 2015 at 9:53 am #

    Correction: “The Schiavo Schindler family and the right wing Christian fundamentalists turned her tragedy into a circus.”

  46. avatar
    CRJ November 20, 2015 at 12:27 pm #

    MYSTERY COVER-UP PUZZLE
    Hummm… Where’s Colombo?

    [The CIA’s illicit harvesting tale serves as a convenient cover story for a more sinister effort on Arpaio’s part to find ammunition to use against Judge Snow, the jurist who found the MCSO guilty of racial profiling in 2013 and who ordered reforms for the MCSO and a monitor to implement them.]
    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/arpaios-fave-deputy-primed-to-take-fifth-during-contempt-trial-7779939

    [The four were discussing Blixeths claim that former NSA and CIA Contractor Dennis Montgomery had confessed to collecting millions of Americans phone calls and breaching the security portals of major U.S. Banks including 153,400 Maracopa County Residence, at the request of the CIA. ]
    http://www.thepostemail.com/2015/11/16/arpaio-claim-the-government-involved-in-creating-fake-birth-certificate-for-obama/

    1- Blixeth innitially approached Arpaio (Blixeth was on the wrap for fraud and could have easily copped a plea to do so for the CIA to avoid charges or for a plea bargain )

    2-Montgomery’s confession of having done WORK for the CIA

    3-Blixeth tells Arpaio all about “The Hammer” something he would have known nothing about except the CIA Fed it to him and or Montegomery as a caveat .. A carrot of truth to sustain legitimacy.
    http://www.thepostemail.com/2015/11/18/the-post-email-issues-clarification-on-arpaio-government-statement/

    The mixing of stories between PASSPORT entry and Birth Certificate conflict I think was purposely done as a ruse. Arapio & Zullo would have known the difference I think.

    It seems much more plausible to me that the Government through “Obama’s Hammer” (CIA- IRS) wanted to exact a grudge against Maricopa County for causing him grief about his long form B.C. released in April 2011 and subsequently picked up by the ColdCasePossee in May 2012 Press Release. (IRS Profiling Tea Party collaborates this)

    I keep thinking about Motive.. For Arpaio and what if any thing he could have done with info on Judge Snow? He couldn’t have thought to get that kind of info even with the leads or carrots of Blixeth and Montegomery tag-team.

    What the hell could be have done to Snow if he found anything? The end game considered. I just don’t see Arapio calling a Federal Judge up and blackmailing him. I think that’s hogwash. I do see concern for Maricopa County Citizens and Phoenix Citizens that being a motive to keep listening to Blixeth and Montegomery Tag Team.

    Reporter Lemons frames this in his story like Arpaio’s end game is to get Judge Snow off of a Contempt Trial. Arapio has nothing to gain in that relative to a minor dent.
    HOWEVER…
    It is much more plausible to me Obama has much more to gain protecting a Legacy and even Legitamacy as well as the CIA who we actually know had ties to the “Passport Break-in” significantly through the soon to be nominated directed CIA Brannon and the dead witness respectfully tied as CEO head and Employee of The Analysis Corporation.

  47. avatar
    bob November 20, 2015 at 12:43 pm #

    CRJ:
    The mixing of stories between PASSPORT entry and Birth Certificate conflict I think was purposely done as a ruse. Arapio & Zullo would have known the difference I think.

    Or, Occam’s razor: Arpaio and Zullo are gullible idiots with confirmation bias, and ignored signs they were being conned.

    It seems much more plausible to me that the Government through “Obama’s Hammer” (CIA- IRS) wanted to exact a grudge against Maricopa County for causing him grief about his long form B.C. released in April 2011 and subsequently picked up by the ColdCasePossee in May 2012 Press Release. (IRS Profiling Tea Party collaborates this)

    Except there is no evidence any of that actually happened.

    For Arpaio and what if any thing he could have done with info on Judge Snow?

    At a minimum, it would have removed Snow from the case. And Arpaio in the past has gone after judges who have ruled against him. A new judge may have closed the case, making it all go away.

    Or, if what they were being sold was true, it would have taken President Obama down, which would be historic, and Arpaio’s name would be remembered forever. (Except none of it is true.)

    So, motives, yes: Arpaio had them.

    It is much more plausible to me Obama has much more to gain

    Plausible to you because you are swallowing the lies of known liars, and basing your opinion on things never happened and don’t exist.

  48. avatar
    bob November 20, 2015 at 1:07 pm #

    And ultimately: No one cares about Judy’s opinion. It is the opinion of Judge Snow that matters presently.

    I predict there will be referrals for criminal contempt for, at a minimum, the MCSO and Arpaio. Beyond that, I am not so sure about the contemptors (or other parties). Or whether criminal charges will be sought.

    Lemons is tweeting, however, that the plaintiffs’ attorneys are presently laying into Sheridan.

  49. avatar
    Pete November 20, 2015 at 1:34 pm #

    The fur, she be flying:

    Young says Seattle inv. part of sheriffs “history of resistance” 2court’s orders. Says “clear he was investigating court” #ArpaioContempt

    Young also says Arpaio lied under oath about Seattle in April when Snow asked if MCSO inv. him, Arpaio denied it 2x #ArpaioContempt

    Regarding violation of court’s 2011 order, Young gave numerous examples of Arpaio publicly promising2enforce ALL immig.laws #ArpaioContempt

    Wang begins describing how Chief Deputy Sheridan “flouted” court’s order to quietly gather traffic stop videos #ArpaioContempt

    Wang said Sheridan lied to the monitor and court. Said excuse of migraines “not credible.” She forgot to say, also way lame #ArpaioContempt

    Back in till lunch. Check back then for more. Wang and Young are flaying Arpaio and Sheridan to the bone #ArpaioContempt

  50. avatar
    Jim November 20, 2015 at 2:41 pm #

    Lunchtime tweets…much better than lunchtime sweets. 😀

    Read top to bottom

    Lunch break. Wang continued carpet bombing ofdefense, specifically Sheridan, accusing ChiefDeputyof “specific lies” 2monitor

    After she was finished ripping Sheridan a new one,Wang ripped into MCSO’s Internal affairs policies, calling them.

    Wang pointed to an “overall pattern of deficiencies in IA policies” allowing for “manipulation” & cases falling thru cracks

    MCSO’s IA policy “improperly skewed toward shielding those charged”

    Wang said there was no MCSO policy covering conflicts of interest in IA investigations

    MCSO inadequately addresses civilian complaints, does not protect whistleblowers, says Wang

    Wang points2testimony frm commander of ProfessionalStandardsBureau that he didn’t know how to prevent coverups of wrongdoing

    In MCSO investigation of deputies’ swiping personal property, investigator Tennyson relied on the denials of deputies

    MCSO investigator Tennyson blamed allegations of theft on a “few bad apples.” His “confirmation bias

    MCSO investigator Tennyson’s “confirmation bias infected entire investigation” by IA says Wang

    Wang went through several instances where MCSO deputies were alleged to have stolen cash during traffic stops

    Some instances of alleged theft by MCSO deputies not investigated. In other cases, discipline was minor

    Drugs found in Deputy Armendariz’s home not investigated, tho it was in MCSO evidence bags

    Numerous Miranda violations by MCSO deputies “not taken seriously” by command staff. Seen as “procedural” issue

    In MCSO files “leading questions meant to exculpate” run throughout, says Wang

    Wang reads from one IA investigation where investigator spends all of his time praising employee under investigation

    Of the fawning MCSO investigator’s Qs, Wang said, “That is not a proper IA interview”. audience titters

    Wang also addressed Commander of MCSO IA section lying to the monitor as an example of why IA needs reform

    Wang says Sheridan intentionally misled monitor, an arm of the court, but remains “unrepentant”

  51. avatar
    Jim November 20, 2015 at 2:53 pm #

    Wang blasts MCSO’s “complete lack of internal accountability,” MCSOs excuses “not credible”

    Wang: ProfessionaStantardsBureau “too entwined” w/sheriff and chief deputy.No independence. Incapable of investigating own

    Wang concluded. DOJ attorney up next, will briefly address judge then it’s defense’s turn for 2hrs 45 mins

    Next report at mid afternoon break

    Me: I can’t wait to hear the defense on this.

  52. avatar
    Pete November 20, 2015 at 5:22 pm #

    Lemons is back!

    Afternoon break. Arpaios lawyer Masterson just finished up. Judge interrupted him throughout. Rather brutal for defense #ArpaioContempt

    Man, I’d love to be in that courtroom today. Even reading the tweets is more entertaining than Netflix.

  53. avatar
    Pete November 20, 2015 at 5:41 pm #

    Oh, my.

  54. avatar
    CRJ November 20, 2015 at 5:59 pm #

    @LemonsTweet [Snow also wondered why Arpaio didn’t go to U.S. Attorneys office about the 150k names of ID theft “victims” #ArpaioContempt]

    That seems rather obvious, given the facts Arpaio didn’t have the U.S. Attorneys willingness to take up his investigation on the Obama long form birth certificate?

    Something that should have been picked up right away and thoroughly vetted with every ounce of strength the law has including a transparent public overall of all Sealed Identity docs to calibrate the long form B.C.

    1. College transcripts
    2. marriage liscences
    3. Law and other professional liscences

    Not doing that just made a mushroom cloud for the general public and it’s nothing but Obama’s non transparency that is to blame for this.

    It’s just ridiculous.

    @Bob YES, .. there is a man shot between the eyes who worked for the CIA Director before he was named CIA Director by Obama.

    Yes.. They both had links to the ‘Break In” on Obama’s pass-port incident that also involved Clinton and McCain.

    What evidence besides the Tag’em and Bag’em Twosome Team was there to Report to U.S. State Department.. Especially given the CIA Background of Montegomery (has Anyone proven he never worked for the CIA?) and Blixeth ( who we know was under heavy surveilance as a Billionaire going bust on a lot of heavy duty investors like Bill Gates and Zucker?)

    That’s a whole lot of gravy on those potatoes!

    Is Arapio guilty of an interest? An infatuation? A love affair of Judge Snow who the heck knows? When did googling someone become a crime? Lol

    Ask any attorney if they don’t do those type of things on any Judge they are preparing a hearing for. Snow hasn’t done anything wrong.. So without the juice of blackmail how is attempted blackmail seen differently then a love affair?

    Where is the INDEPENDANT Council to investigate Obama’s ties and orders to the CIA ? Where’s the INDEPENDANT Council assigned to IA of the Obama Justice department .. You want accountability for a piddly Sheriff and an obvious skirt of justice for Obama’s cover up and lack of Transparency.

    It really starts to look bias without the Standard applied both ways

  55. avatar
    CRJ November 20, 2015 at 6:26 pm #

    If I recall LAW ENFORCEMENT is a COMMON Denominator between a Sheriff’s Department and a Judicial Court.

    They usually are working together. If the Sheriff’s in the middle ofan investigation and Judge Snow is a victim , pulling the plug on the Sheriff’s investigation can lead to a sabatoge of the whole investigation.

    It’s like 2 Black & White Cops walking a beat and stumbling on a drug bust that has FBI undercover agents trying to get the Source rather than the small drug dealer.

    The FBI Agent under cover for months gets his cover blown and is not happy with the cops disrupting his sting.

    Isn’t it Arapios Defense to say, our investigation was sabatoged.. we didn’t get the chance to find the Source?

    Couldn’t Defense Attorneys call in Director Brennon? Why wouldn’t they use the perception of being able to clarify the Source .. And lead it right back to Obama?

  56. avatar
    bob November 20, 2015 at 6:35 pm #

    CRJ:
    That seems rather obvious, given the facts Arpaio didn’t have the U.S. Attorneys willingness to take up his investigation on the Obama long form birth certificate?

    There’s no evidence that Arpaio reached out to the U.S. Attorney regarding President Obama’s birth certificate. So that, again, would be Arpaio’s fault. And, of course: President Obama’s birth certificate is legitimate, and there was no forgery.

    1. College transcripts
    2. marriage liscences
    3. Law and other professional liscences

    So Candidate Judy believes in vetting … for others. Yet Judy refuses to disclose his original IFP application that he might have filed in SCOTUS.

    @Bob YES, .. there is a man shot between the eyes who worked for the CIA Director before he was named CIA Director by Obama.

    Harris was killed, yes. Nothing links to any of Judy’s fantasies, however.

    They both had links to the ‘Break In” on Obama’s pass-port incident that also involved Clinton and McCain.</blockquote?
    What "links," exactly, either Harris or Brennan have to the unauthorized access? Specifics, please. Evidence, please.

    Especially given the CIA Background of Montegomery (has Anyone proven he never worked for the CIA?)

    Books and articles have been written about Montgomery conned the federa government out of millions with his “junk.”

    Blixeth ( who we know was under heavy surveilance as a Billionaire going bust on a lot of heavy duty investors like Bill Gates and Zucker?)

    Blixeth is currently enjoying the hospitality of the federal marshals. But I’m sure Judy considers that proof of Blixeth’s good character.

    When did googling someone become a crime?

    Montgomery did much more than search the Internet for information about Snow. Who is a federal judge. Who are protected by federal statutes.

    Ask any attorney if they don’t do those type of things on any Judge they are preparing a hearing for.

    No attorney I know would hire a con man to frame a judge in a fantasy crime.

    Where is the INDEPENDANT Council to investigate Obama’s ties and orders to the CIA ?

    Where’s the actual, admissible evidence to support your fantasies?

    Also, President Obama is the chief executive; I would hope he gives orders to the CIA, as it is part of his job.

    Where’s the INDEPENDANT Council assigned to IA of the Obama Justice department

    You do know that U.S. Department of Justice already has an Inspector General? Who already does just that?

    You want accountability for a piddly Sheriff and an obvious skirt of justice for Obama’s cover up and lack of Transparency.

    There is no cover up, as there is nothing to cover up.

    But unsurprising that ex-con Judy thinks we should overlook Arpaio’s malfeasance.

  57. avatar
    bob November 20, 2015 at 7:02 pm #

    CRJ:
    If the Sheriff’s in the middle ofan investigation and Judge Snow is a victim , pulling the plug on the Sheriff’s investigation can lead to a sabatoge of the whole investigation.

    Nope: In a real investigations, law enforcement contacts the victim (to mitigate damages) and to see if the victim can help with the investigation. Arpaio didn’t do this.

    Also in real investigations, law enforcement agencies co-operate with other agencies. Arpaio didn’t do this.

    Isn’t it Arapios Defense to say, our investigation was sabatoged.. we didn’t get the chance to find the Source?

    Arpaio’s actual defense was Montgomery gave them junk, and Montgomery was off-the-reservation with his junk evidence about Snow.

    Couldn’t Defense Attorneys call in Director Brennon? Why wouldn’t they use the perception of being able to clarify the Source .. And lead it right back to Obama?

    1. The defense rested. No more evidence.
    2. Because that would be a stupid strategy. As there was no CIA investigation; that was the lie of con men.

  58. avatar
    Notorial Dissent November 21, 2015 at 12:53 am #

    The thing is, that real Law Enforcement agencies investigate things they have the jurisdiction to investigate, and NOTHING that the Shurf and his band of merry morons have been doing comes within their purview of authority. None of it nada nothing. The Shurf took his fantasies to the County Attorney, as he should have, and was told to pound sand. If he had taken the same nonsense to the US Attorney’s Office, if he were lucky, they would have just told him the same thing. He had no authority and he had nothing. What he was interested in was finding something to get Snow off his back, and he thought he had found it in Montgomery’s congame. This was never about anything but Joe’s plan to avoid following the law. And it blew up in his face big time.

  59. avatar
    Pete November 21, 2015 at 1:24 am #

    Notorial Dissent: The Shurf took his fantasies to the County Attorney, as he should have, and was told to pound sand. If he had taken the same nonsense to the US Attorney’s Office, if he were lucky, they would have just told him the same thing.

    There is a difference, however. The county only had the authority to tell him to pound Maricopa County sand. The US Attorney’s Office would’ve told him to pound federal, United States sand.

  60. avatar
    Pete November 21, 2015 at 1:27 am #

    So… Arpaio fails to conduct real investigations of things like child rapes in Maricopa County, sex crimes in Maricopa County, and complaints against his own officers, all things that he has clear jurisdiction over.

    And instead he conducts fake investigations of the President’s birth certificate (and I mean a truly fake investigation there), federal judges, and the CIA – things he has no jurisdiction over.

    Anyone sense a pattern here?

  61. avatar
    Rickey November 21, 2015 at 1:28 am #

    CRJ:

    That seems rather obvious, given the facts Arpaio didn’t have the U.S. Attorneys willingness to take up his investigation on the Obama long form birth certificate?

    Arpaio never referred his “investigation” to the U.S. Attorneys. He referred it to the Maricopa County Attorney, who declined to take it largely because Arpaio failed to provide him with any actual evidence.

  62. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 21, 2015 at 4:12 pm #

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/joe-arpaio-accused-of-deception-under-oath-by-federal-judge-7840164

    The fate of Joe Arpaio vis-a-vis contempt of court in the Melendres is beyond the interest of this blog, which is concerned with birthers and their conspiracy theories. The preceding article is a good statement of what’s going on right now.