The occasional open thread: when all you got is a hammer edition

Posted on November 1, 2015 by Dr. Conspiracy

Put your Obama conspiracy comments that don’t relate to the current articles here. This thread will close in two weeks. Try not to beat commenters over the head with your ideas.Doc_Detail

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192 Responses to The occasional open thread: when all you got is a hammer edition

  1. ArthurWankspittle says:
    November 2, 2015 at 3:57 pm  (Quote)

    When all you got is a hammer – someone is too tight to spring for a nail gun?

  2. Arthur B. says:
    November 2, 2015 at 4:09 pm  (Quote)

    Can we get an over/under on how long it will take for that photo to appear with a gerbil ‘shopped into it?

  3. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 2, 2015 at 4:23 pm  (Quote)

    I think BSE is out of the gerbil business.

    Arthur B.: Can we get an over/under on how long it will take for that photo to appear with a gerbil ‘shopped into it?

  4. Pete says:
    November 2, 2015 at 5:14 pm  (Quote)

    Try not to beat commenters over the head with your ideas.

    For a few of the birther-type commenters, it seems far more charitable to beat them over the head with ideas, than with the sorts of implements one is tempted to use.

  5. donna says:
    November 2, 2015 at 5:33 pm  (Quote)

    Quelle Surprise, Grinols appeal denied

    memorandum: http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/memoranda/2015/11/02/13-16359.pdf

  6. Pete says:
    November 2, 2015 at 8:29 pm  (Quote)

    What a surprise
    The 9th denies
    Orly cries
    Grinols draws flies.

  7. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 2, 2015 at 9:07 pm  (Quote)

    Public Service Announcement:

    Open Enrollment on HealthCare,gov began on November 1.

  9. roadburner says:
    November 3, 2015 at 10:58 am  (Quote)

    i notice that charlesmountain over on BR seems to be going off the rails in a most spectacular fashion.

    i guess the realisation that the CCP was a con, and he won’t be getting any marching frogs for christmas is too much for him

    such a pity ;D

  10. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 3, 2015 at 2:37 pm  (Quote)

    Russia IS involved in placing Obama in power. So is Cuba. That’s an absolute. I have firsthand knowledge of that one. It’s obvious to everybody by now that (1) It’s designed to set off a Civil War; and (2) It’s designed to pave the way for Cuba or Russia to place another King on the American throne and (3) Overthrow America for the Hispanic New World Order.

    Reagan In. Castro Up.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Well it certainly explains some of his earlier leaps into craziness.Like at the 2nd press conference he made a comment about photos of Obama when he was a kid were fake but then never touched on it again.At the “sheriff’s conference” he made claims about Russia being involved in placing Obama in power. I think there were even attempts by him to once claim Obama’s parents weren’t his parents.

  11. Pete says:
    November 3, 2015 at 2:40 pm  (Quote)

    Link?

  13. Pete says:
    November 3, 2015 at 5:01 pm  (Quote)

    Thanks for the link.

    charlesmountain, however, doesn’t sound to me any more unhinged than is “normal” for him.

    I think the cheese slid straight off of his cracker some time ago.

  14. Rickey says:
    November 4, 2015 at 2:19 am  (Quote)

    Pete:
    Thanks for the link.

    charlesmountain, however, doesn’t sound to me any more unhinged than is “normal” for him.

    I think the cheese slid straight off of his cracker some time ago.

    The Gerbils sure are obsessed with bodily functions.

  15. Lupin says:
    November 4, 2015 at 2:44 am  (Quote)

    Pete:
    Thanks for the link.

    charlesmountain, however, doesn’t sound to me any more unhinged than is “normal” for him.

    I think the cheese slid straight off of his cracker some time ago.

    But he is the stupidest man (?) I ever read.

  16. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 4, 2015 at 10:39 am  (Quote)

    I tend to agree.

    Foggy, RC and RanTalbot have been able to post on that article. The level-headed Obot comments serve to highlight how downright nasty and bigoted the birther comments are. rtm9999 (who also posted at BR as Robca and here as RTM999) has been on my case with inane rants.

    Pete: charlesmountain, however, doesn’t sound to me any more unhinged than is “normal” for him.

  17. Lupin says:
    November 4, 2015 at 11:00 am  (Quote)

    Proof that Jeb! is toast:

    http://time.com/4099175/jeb-bush-republican-debate-france-apology/?xid=time_socialflow_twitter

    Doesn’t he know that among Republicans: (1) the French are the Devil; (2) Real macho alpha men don’t apologize, ever; and (3) History, geography and generally any kind of facts at all are for pussies.

  18. Pete says:
    November 4, 2015 at 12:52 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: The level-headed Obot comments serve to highlight how downright nasty and bigoted the birther comments are. rtm9999 (who also posted at BR ad Robca and here as Rob) has been on my case with inane rants.

    Typical.

    Birthers have always been nasty, but I wonder whether they’ve drifted further into nastiness because it’s really all they have left.

    I am still amazed how possible it is these days to actually say something meaningful at BR. Like, this, for example, from rantalbott:

    “The BC is a forgery that spent time in Adobe Photoshop before it was posted on the WH website.
    Just as the COLB spent time in an earlier version of Adobe Photoshop. ”
    And your EVIDENCE for that would be?

    Not only has no one ever offered any evidence _that_ the images were made in Photoshop, no one has ever offered any evidence that it was _possible_ to make the LFBC image with it. At least one of the fake birther “experts” actually tried to reproduce it, and had to give up.

    Meanwhile, it’s been demonstrated that the artifacts that birthers claim are “proof of forgery” are normal products of the kind of scanner the WH is known to use. And documented how to do it, so anyone can independently confirm it.

    “The HDOH merely directs people to the images that the Barry campaign claims that they obtained from the HDOH. ”
    And that’s simply a lie. Actually, two lies: no one in the Obama campaign, or in the WH, has ever claimed that they got the images from the HDOH. And the HDOH has confirmed both that they supplied the short and long form BCs, and that the LFBC image online matches their records.
    Read more at http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/11/update-judge-responds-to-sheriff.html#FE81cLYPwCm75TX0.99

  19. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 4, 2015 at 1:11 pm  (Quote)

    Marco Rubio Picks Anti-Gay Birther To Chair Alabama Campaign – See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/marco-rubio-picks-anti-gay-birther-chair-alabama-campaign#sthash.jF3r7MF7.dpuf

    Former state Republican Party chairman Bill Armistead gets the birther label for saying that the pseudo-documentary “Dreams From my Real Father” is “factual, all of it.”

  20. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    November 4, 2015 at 2:30 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I tend to agree.

    Foggy, RC and RanTalbot have been able to post on that article. The level-headed Obot comments serve to highlight how downright nasty and bigoted the birther comments are. rtm9999(who also posted at BR ad Robca and here as Rob) has been on my case with inane rants.

    The whole Zullo is waiting for the “right time” to “release evidence” is starting to sound a lot like Baghdad Bob.

  21. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 4, 2015 at 2:36 pm  (Quote)

    I left this comment at BR:

    “If Jesus were behind you, birthers wouldn’t be relegated to making obscene references to bodily functions on an obscure blog, and Obama wouldn’t still be in the White House.”

    Read more at http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/11/update-judge-responds-to-sheriff.html#JgkeDhFV2HW2xflr.99

  22. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 4, 2015 at 3:18 pm  (Quote)

    I haven’t read much but the statement of appearance by Larry Klayman was a hoot:

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/288273689/Montgomery-v-Risen-163-OCT-16-TRANSCRIPT-as-Filed-at-166-3

  23. Jim says:
    November 4, 2015 at 4:26 pm  (Quote)

    Surprised no on has posted the video yet, I may get energetic and look for it later.

  24. Jim says:
    November 4, 2015 at 4:27 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: The whole Zullo is waiting for the “right time” to “release evidence” is starting to sound a lot like Baghdad Bob.

    Maricopa Mike?

  25. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 4, 2015 at 5:38 pm  (Quote)

    Because men hate to be ****blocked.

    The Bush family has had the cure for a lot of STD’s since the early 80’s. They vaccinated Pablo Escobar.

    Rhetorical question for the general population: “Did they vaccinate you?”

    I received my shot one one side of Pablo’s living room and Pablo received his while sitting on the other side.

    Give it up, Jeb.

    We all know that’s this is the ultimate taboo. And, what kind of a punk shoots an agent who’s already dead?

    A fish called….Molly.

    Lupin:
    Proof that Jeb! is toast:

    http://time.com/4099175/jeb-bush-republican-debate-france-apology/?xid=time_socialflow_twitter

    Doesn’t he know that among Republicans: (1) the French are the Devil; (2) Real macho alpha men don’t apologize, ever; and (3) History, geography and generally any kind of facts at all are for pussies.

  26. Pete says:
    November 4, 2015 at 6:30 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I haven’t read much but the statement of appearance by Larry Klayman was a hoot:

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/288273689/Montgomery-v-Risen-163-OCT-16-TRANSCRIPT-as-Filed-at-166-3

    Lol.

  27. J.D. Sue says:
    November 4, 2015 at 8:16 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: I haven’t read much but the statement of appearance by Larry Klayman was a hoot:

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/288273689/Montgomery-v-Risen-163-OCT-16-TRANSCRIPT-as-Filed-at-166-3

    —-
    The whole transcript is a hoot. It’s hard to pick a favorite line. I like this one, where the Court is addressing Klayman (at 32-33):

    ” . . . even though you’re now going to be under a specific court order to produce that software October 26th, I’m not naive, and I think there’s a significant chance that, for whatever reason, or reasons,you and/or Mr. Montgomery will not be complying with that order.”

  28. J.D. Sue says:
    November 4, 2015 at 9:04 pm  (Quote)

    And this gave me a chuckle, after Klayman unsuccessfully sought leave to file “sensitive” documents under seal, and for the Judge’s eyes only so Ms Handman (Risen’s counsel) couldn’t see them (transcript at 42-43):

    MR. KLAYMAN: Now, I do have concerns about it being turned over before you have a chance to take a look at it. And I’ve got to tell you, I mean, Mrs. Handman started laughing when I made reference to Harold Ickes, her husband. But I deposed him twice in the 1990s, and it was believed — and I certainly believe it based on the information I got — that he intimidated witnesses during that period of Clinton scandals. And that’s why the court, Judge Lambert, allowed me to depose him.

    In fact, he was ordered back at a deposition, when he left the deposition room claiming he was going to defecate on my carpet.

    Okay. So I have —

    THE COURT: I think we’re getting a little far afield here, Mr. Klayman.

    MR. KLAYMAN: Okay. I have serious concerns, and I want an order — I would ask the Court to make an order to Ms. Handman not to share this information with her husband.

    MS. HANDMAN: Believe me, he has no interest in it.

    MR. KLAYMAN: Oh, I believe he has a great interest, because Mr. Montgomery does have information about both the Obama Administration and Hillary Clinton, okay, and you are both very close with her.

    THE COURT: Listen, folks, folks, I’m sorry. It’s now 5:30 on a Friday afternoon, and the hearing is about to end. In fact, I thought the hearing did end . . .

  29. The Magic M (not logged in) says:
    November 5, 2015 at 4:18 am  (Quote)

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: The whole Zullo is waiting for the “right time” to “release evidence” is starting to sound a lot like Baghdad Bob.

    Who in turn stole that shtick from Hitler who kept promising “Wunderwaffen” (“miracle weapons”) would turn the tables “any day now” in the losing war.

  30. The Magic M (not logged in) says:
    November 5, 2015 at 5:26 am  (Quote)

    That transcript is comedy gold.

    “THE COURT: So I’m sensitive to your concern, and I don’t want to just, if I can use the phrase*, willy-nilly minimize it.
    […] the mere fact that you or Mr. Montgomery would prefer that they not be filed, or that you (sic) might be potentially embarrassing    ”

    _____
    * Using the “willy-nilly” phrase Klayman used before.

  31. Reality Check says:
    November 5, 2015 at 7:32 am  (Quote)

    I read that last night. I like that Judge. He has a dry wit.

    Dr. Conspiracy: I haven’t read much but the statement of appearance by Larry Klayman was a hoot:

  32. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 5, 2015 at 7:48 am  (Quote)

    Klayman is sincere. I did have a brief contact with him, I think, over a year ago via FaceBook. I didn’t want to cooperate with him back then because he appeared to be aligned with Cuba’s Ted Cruz and I didn’t want Cuba to be privy to what I had to say.

    I have tried calling him by phone since then. His mailbox is always full. I’m still working on my affidavit/book. It seems like it’s going to take a lot longer than I thought because it spans over forty years of cartel activity.

    The problem is that this conspiracy has put out so much disinformation, a wake of dead witnesses, and a persistant failure to investigate (Arpaio/Zullo) it’s almost insurmountable.

    Believe me, I’ve tried. PBCC alumni/Journalism 1985.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I’m finding it remarkable how Klayman is playing all sides of the issue with this cast of characters. He’s defending Montgomery against his detractors, and defending the detractors as well. Tes has a link to the Drake/Weibe case at WYE.

    Klayman seems to have a penchant for whistleblowers.

  33. Lupin says:
    November 5, 2015 at 9:47 am  (Quote)

    And I always assumed that Stonehenge was built to corral goats for the Republicans’ sexual needs:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-stands-by-pyramid-theory

    And that’s the guy in a dead heat with Hillary in the polls.

  34. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 6, 2015 at 7:10 am  (Quote)

    OK, hypothetical here: If and when I finish my affidavit giving exact descriptions of how I forged Obama’s birth certificates and why, where does it go? Am I wasting my time trying to get this done?

    My new website is currently under construction:

    http://iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.weebly.com/

    My mother, Gladys M. Owens, passed away a few weeks ago and I found some more photos of when I was younger while attending her funeral which really helps me place the approximate age of when Allen and I took that photo with the plastic Five and Dime Store Hawaiian leis around our necks while celebrating Allen’s birthday which was hosted by the Delgado family. (The oldest Delgado, aka, “The Bikini Killer, ” Maya, Chino, Ernesto “Popeye,” Jaime, and Humberto who has just been released from death row in Tampa, Florida for killing a cop which relied on my false testimony).

    Mike Zullo Moore is right about one thing, if you’re going to give an affidavit covering Obama’s birth certificates, it DOES need to be more than a sentence or two which is all that I gave in the first one that I sent to the FBI.

    Also, does that first affidavit hold a position in the courts? And, if so, what courts? Since they’ve clearly classified just about every aspect of the forgeries, it’s impossible to tell who, where, or what is in play here.

    I’ve made it quite clear that, unlike the issue of the blue dress with Mike Volin who raped me in 1985 and who tried to throw me in prison for a minimum of twenty years, I have no concerns about coming forward.

    Again, the problem is, as long as it’s classified and Mike Zullo Moore and Joseph Arpaio refuse to answer my calls, I have no way of knowing which way the wind is blowing or where.

    H/t to Doug and Joe Hagmann who were the only ones to allow me to talk on air. I don’t know for sure. But, I can only assume I was quickly discredited by Jerome Corsi, who is not telling the truth about the mailman, along with quite possibly Mike Zullo Moore, Arpaio, and Volin.

    H/t to Doc Conspiracy as well for allowing me to post.

    Exposing Volin and Mike Zullo Moore exposes the truth about Vincent Foster and will unravel the lies surrounding Pablo Escobar and his early years as a leader of the Medellin Cartel.

    Jeb Bush doesn’t stand a snow ball’s chance in H*ll of winning as Donald Trump already knows and is, if the reports are true, quite possibly looking at a life of poverty and/or prison if he doesn’t end up killing himself first.

    Seriously, who kills off American agents just so that no witnesses are left behind to dispute the Gorbechev kill which I’m sure George and/or Jeb Bush claimed for themselves? Pathetic!

    These early years of Pablo Escobar, as I have said before, cover the Adam Walsh murder, the Tiffany Sessions murder, Hoffa, JFK, Jr., The Iceman, John Lennon, Gorbechev, Reagan’s assassination attempt, Lt. Sabow, one murder with OJ Simpson, several with Larry Nichols, whom I liked and respected by the way, Pablo Escobar himself in 1990, and possibly Walter Mondale just to name a few.

    alg: Good frigging gawd.I can’t tell who is the most dense, you or Cody.

    Cody’s “case” is closed, finished, done, ended, shitcanned.

  35. Sunny Sundra says:
    November 6, 2015 at 11:10 am  (Quote)

    My husband and I enjoyed meeting you Tuesday! There is so much information here on your website! I love it! I love President Obama! I wish he could be elected for a third term! I hate to see him leave office!

  36. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 6, 2015 at 2:04 pm  (Quote)

    Hi, glad you followed up and visited my site. I am always nervous talking about the blog in real life for fear that the title will make folks think that I am a birther myself.

    Sunny Sundra: There is so much information here on your website!

  37. Reality Check says:
    November 6, 2015 at 2:33 pm  (Quote)

    I’d like to see Nancy, Paul Irey, and Doug Vogt locked up in a room together. What tales they could spin!

  38. Pete says:
    November 6, 2015 at 2:55 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: OK, hypothetical here: If and when I finish my affidavit giving exact descriptions of how I forged Obama’s birth certificates and why, where does it go? Am I wasting my time trying to get this done?

    Are you seriously asking this question?

    If you can precisely duplicate Obama’s birth certificate PDF from scratch, using Photoshop or a similar program, and then give a rational and coherent explanation for why anyone would ever have chosen to spend hundreds of hours building a document in that way, and prove that you could, in fact, have forged Obama’s PDF, then I will personally buy you five steak dinners.

    In reality, I could just as well promise to buy you a car, or a house, or an island in the Bahamas. Because it can’t be done.

    I suppose the question of whether you’re wasting your time comes down to whether you’re having enough fun doing it to warrant spending your time that way. No one is ever going to believe you forged Obama’s birth certificate, or at least very few people will, for the simple reason that you didn’t. Even birthers don’t believe your confessions to have forged Obama’s birth certificate. That should be a signal of a lost cause, and that your time might be better spent on something else.

    If you ask me, you’d be much better off writing romances (maybe with an intrigue kind of twist) or volunteering at Habitat for Humanity.

    Even if you spend your time writing romances-with-intrigue, you might be able to sell a few. You might eventually build more of a name for yourself as an author than you will as a confessor.

  39. James M says:
    November 6, 2015 at 3:27 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: OK, hypothetical here: If and when I finish my affidavit giving exact descriptions of how I forged Obama’s birth certificates and why, where does it go?

    Contact the FBI at (202) 324-3000. Be sure to tell them all the things you’ve shared with us.

  40. Reality Check says:
    November 6, 2015 at 3:52 pm  (Quote)

    She has them on speed dial. Her number is on their blocked list.

    James M: Contact the FBI at (202) 324-3000.Be sure to tell them all the things you’ve shared with us.

  42. Jim says:
    November 6, 2015 at 5:04 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    OK, hypothetical here: If and when I finish my affidavit giving exact descriptions of how I forged Obama’s birth certificates and why, where does it go? Am I wasting my time trying to get this done?

    Nancy,

    You’ll need to do much, much more than that. First, you want to document and video you doing the whole thing from start to finish, complete with written instructions and step by step imaging after you complete each step. You will need to be observed by at least 2 independent observers, and give all your personal information for a thorough background check. Then package everything up with a return address and contact information and mail to:

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio
    Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office
    550 West Jackson Street
    Phoenix, AZ 85003

    Now make sure you keep duplicates of EVERYTHING! They have a tendency to mislabel and lose valuable evidence there. But, this is the man that can get your information out there and investigate it for you. Maybe even get you a hearing! Good Luck and if you don’t hear back from them in a week, send another copy…they probably lost your last one.

    Jim

  43. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 6, 2015 at 5:23 pm  (Quote)

    Document my writings? Two independent observers? Can you describe what I need to look for in these observers? Neighbors? Police? Lawyer?

    I do have a OneNote account and can invite people to observe this way. I would want to make absolutely certain who I’m dealing with first.

    I did write Doug Hagmann today. He’s a busy man and I know he can’t answer every email. I just hope he sees it and responds.

    http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/

    I would like to thank you for sharing this info.

    Jim: Nancy,

    You’ll need to do much, much more than that.First, you want to document and video you doing the whole thing from start to finish, complete with written instructions and step by step imaging after you complete each step.You will need to be observed by at least 2 independent observers, and give all your personal information for a thorough background check.Then package everything up with a return address and contact information and mail to:

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio
    Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office
    550 West Jackson Street
    Phoenix, AZ 85003

    Now make sure you keep duplicates of EVERYTHING!They have a tendency to mislabel and lose valuable evidence there.But, this is the man that can get your information out there and investigate it for you.Maybe even get you a hearing!Good Luck and if you don’t hear back from them in a week, send another copy…they probably lost your last one.

    Jim

  44. James M says:
    November 6, 2015 at 6:11 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Re FBI: You must be new here:

    I’m among the least “new” members of OCT, and in any case, you didn’t confront law enforcement with evidence, which is why they don’t accept your claims.

  45. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 6, 2015 at 7:23 pm  (Quote)

    For anybody who’s bored, on now:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wheresobamasbirthcertificatexcom/2015/11/07/the-truth-about-sandy-hook-with-wolfgang-halbig

    LOL

    And, without posting anything, I was just kicked out. Volin sounds stressed.

  46. justlw says:
    November 6, 2015 at 8:42 pm  (Quote)

    I wonder if Mannatech products have any palliative effect on full-on ODS eruptions?

    Video (2:31): Ben Carson strikes back at the press

  47. Kate says:
    November 6, 2015 at 10:08 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    For anybody who’s bored, on now:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wheresobamasbirthcertificatexcom/2015/11/07/the-truth-about-sandy-hook-with-wolfgang-halbig

    LOL

    And, without posting anything, I was just kicked out. Volin sounds stressed.

    It’s bad enough that you’re still spewing b.s. about the b.c. thinking anyone here believes a word you say but those who believe that 26 families aren’t legitimately grieving the loss of their loved ones, especially young children and that is was all a hoax are beneath contempt. I don’t have words that adequately describe the depth of hatred I feel for those who would further compound a parent’s grief by insinuating they are lying about the death of their child. I can only hope they suffer tenfold for what they inflict on others. I can’t speak for everyone but I don’t know of anyone here who wants a link to those who would post such horrific trash. Please take it elsewhere or better yet, don’t post it at all.

  48. Arthur says:
    November 6, 2015 at 10:42 pm  (Quote)

    I am flabbergasted that Nancy Owens is allowed to post a comment in which she accuses Mike Volin of raping her. As usual, she has turned an Open Thread into an open sewer. Why does this woman continue to get a free pass to post her despicable assertions about rape and murder?

  49. Dave says:
    November 6, 2015 at 11:00 pm  (Quote)

    Carson really skirted the edge of birtherdom — sealed records, Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers, how did Obama get into Columbia — so close.

    I think Obama’s eligibility would be an excellent topic for the next GOP debate.

  50. justlw says:
    November 7, 2015 at 2:10 am  (Quote)

    Dave: I think Obama’s eligibility would be an excellent topic for the next GOP debate.

    Even though anything related to Obama’s academic records is low-hanging fruit, I think the most fun would be pushing Carson on Davis. My gut feeling is that would be the most popcorn-worthy.

  51. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 7, 2015 at 7:44 am  (Quote)

    I consider “Mike Volin” from Florida a fictional character.

    Arthur: I am flabbergasted that Nancy Owens is allowed to post a comment in which she accuses Mike Volin of raping her.

  52. Reality Check says:
    November 7, 2015 at 8:08 am  (Quote)

    She’s banned at BR and most other places. OCT is one of the few blogs left who will let her comment. She can be annoying, and she is obviously sick, but apparently harmless.

    Arthur: I am flabbergasted that Nancy Owens is allowed to post a comment in which she accuses Mike Volin of raping her.

  53. Arthur says:
    November 7, 2015 at 9:11 am  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I consider “Mike Volin” from Florida a fictional character.

    She’s describing a fictional experience; nevertheless, the name “Mike Volin” identifies a particular person with a real identity. Owens’ allegations make a mockery of women who have actually suffered sexual violence (just as her statements about murdering people are deeply offensive to anyone who has been touched by real violence).

    Why, within an on-line community noted for its civility, is Owens permitted to post disgusting fabrications about rape and murder? While an open thread can accomodate many topics, it seems odd to allow comments that violate basic standards of decency.

  54. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 7, 2015 at 10:52 am  (Quote)

    He did. I had to be taken to Hendry Regional Medical Hospital because he almost broke my neck. He was a deputy and he lied to the medical staff saying it was an car accident. One of the nurses said, “This wasn’t any car accident. Why has she got all of these bruises on her legs?”

    They were smart enough to take photos and I think they took samples of semen as well. I was very much afraid of Volin. Why does he start to stutter in this video? Professionals don’t stutter. If I’m lying, why doesn’t he sue? Why doesn’t he file for an injunction?

    It ain’t rocket science, folks and you shouldn’t be blaming the victim. I didn’t rape myself, now did I?

    http://www.liveleak.com/c/Nancy_Owens

    Arthur:
    I am flabbergasted that Nancy Owens is allowed to post a comment in which she accuses Mike Volin of raping her. As usual, she has turned an Open Thread into an open sewer. Why does this woman continue to get a free pass to post her despicable assertions about rape and murder?

  55. Lupin says:
    November 7, 2015 at 10:58 am  (Quote)

    I have to agree with Arthur; either she is a troll of the highest order, or she genuinely needs help and giving her room to vent, if not encourage, her toxic fantasies does not strike me as helpful.

  56. Dave B. says:
    November 7, 2015 at 11:17 am  (Quote)

    New CRS article, “Birthright Citizenship and Children Born in the United States to Alien Parents: An Overview of the Legal Debate”:

    http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/files/crs-birthright-citizenship-10-28-15.pdf

  59. donna says:
    November 7, 2015 at 11:52 am  (Quote)

    When confronted about West Point, Ben Carson attacks Obama with comments about Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright and Obama’s “sealed records”

    “I do not remember this level of scrutiny for one President Barack Obama when he was running,” Carson observed. “In fact I remember just the opposite.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/07/3720254/ben-carson-obama-conspiracy-theories/

  60. justlw says:
    November 7, 2015 at 12:19 pm  (Quote)

    donna: “I do not remember this level of scrutiny for one President Barack Obama when he was running,” Carson observed. “In fact I remember just the opposite.”

    Of course, he also remembers a time when he attacked his mother with a hammer, scientists saying that aliens built the pyramids, and Darwin being lured into heresy by Satan. He has an exceptional memory, is what I’m saying here.

  61. donna says:
    November 7, 2015 at 12:36 pm  (Quote)

    justlw: He has an exceptional memory, is what I’m saying here.

    BUT he doesn’t remember the guys who offered him a “full scholarship” at west point

    from their website: Those who are selected to attend USMA receive a college education that is unparalleled in the world with tuition, room and board, and expenses fully paid.

    perhaps a neurosurgeon can correct his selective memory

  62. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 7, 2015 at 12:38 pm  (Quote)

    He’s singing a different tune, if I’m not mistaken.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Yes.

  63. Rickey says:
    November 7, 2015 at 10:22 pm  (Quote)

    donna:

    BUT he doesn’t remember the guys who offered him a “full scholarship” at west point

    from their website: Those who are selected to attend USMA receive a college education that is unparalleled in the world with tuition, room and board, and expenses fully paid.

    perhaps a neurosurgeon can correct his selective memory

    Carson wrote in his book that he met Gen. Westmoreland in Detroit on Memorial Day in 1969, but Westmoreland was in D.C. that day. Now Carson’s people are saying that the meeting took place at a banquet earlier in the year. Even if the meeting with Westmoreland took place, nobody was in a position to offer Carson admittance to West Point because he was never nominated by a Senator or his House Representative. And this supposedly happened during Carson’s senior year in high school, which was much too late to gain admittance to a service academy.

    Carson also doesn’t remember the name of a relative he almost stabbed, he doesn’t remember the names of white high school classmates he claims to have protected during a riot at his school after Martin Luther King was murdered, and none of his classmates remember him protecting anyone.

  64. RanTalbott says:
    November 8, 2015 at 1:19 am  (Quote)

    donna: Those who are selected to attend USMA receive a college education that is unparalleled in the world with tuition, room and board, and expenses fully paid.

    Yeah, “paid” for by putting your life on the line for at least 5 years. Those people earn that education. I knew that when I was a high school senior, and I had zero chance of being nominated and zero interest in attending. It seems odd that someone deeply involved on JROTC wouldn’t.

  65. RanTalbott says:
    November 8, 2015 at 1:33 am  (Quote)

    justlw: and Darwin being lured into heresy by Satan.

    Oh, noes! Did Satan get to him, too? I thought it was just the astrophysicists. 😉

    I think the best, and most succinct, response to his pyramid theory was someone who posted a cross-section diagram of one of them, showing a town-sized pile of stones, with little tiny rooms that made up less than 1% of its volume. Unless he thinks the Egyptians knew about, and planned for, neutron bombs, even he has to see that his notion is preposterous on the face of it. But then, he believes in a deity that played the most massive practical joke imaginable 6000 years ago, constructing an entire universe full of evidence indicating it was millions of times older.

    I think we should start calling young-earth creationists “Lokians” instead of “Christians”.

  66. Lupin says:
    November 8, 2015 at 2:49 am  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: But then, he believes in a deity that played the most massive practical joke imaginable 6000 years ago, constructing an entire universe full of evidence indicating it was millions of times older.

    Wasn’t that the very same premise Phil Farmer used in his WORLD OF TIERS novels?

    I wrote a WORLD OF TIERS short story for the book “The Worlds of Philip José Farmer 2: Of Dust and Soul” (Meteor press) a few years ago, in which a French archaeologist (a real-life person who went on to become one of our best SF writers) finds a table only 100,000 years-old inside a millions years-old rock and correctly deduces that Earth was made by the Lords, who simply faked the evidence.

    http://meteorhousepress.com/the-worlds-of-philip-jose-farmer-2-of-dust-and-soul/

  67. RanTalbott says:
    November 8, 2015 at 7:11 am  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: I thought it was just the astrophysicists

    Oops: I was sure I read a news story recently saying that Carson had claimed the Big Bang Theory was the work of Satan. However, I just read another one saying that was what he called evolution, and he believes the BBT is “a fairy tale”.

    So somebody is mistaken here, and I don’t know whether it’s me, or one of those reporters.

    Lupin: Wasn’t that the very same premise Phil Farmer used in his WORLD OF TIERS novels?

    I had to look it up, because I wasn’t a Farmer fan (my tastes run more toward stories about how humans respond to technological change or First Encounters, and satirical series like Retief or the Stainless Steel Rat. The cover art suggested “fantasy” at the time, so I passed them by in favor of the rich supply of what I liked). But, yes, it’s the same idea (though on a more modest scale, if I read the plot summaries correctly).

    I have no quarrel with anyone who wants to believe that their deity of choice initiated the Big Bang (not while we don’t have a scientific explanation of the mechanism). I won’t even argue with those who hypothesize that abiogenesis didn’t happen, and Earth was actually seeded by a deity or alien biochemists (as long as they agree it’s only a hypothesis, and not fact).

    But young-Earth creationists who deny the reality of the evidence are beyond the pale (I don’t argue with them, either: I just avoid them as much as I can). I firmly believe they shouldn’t be put in a position where they can make policy more important than the prom theme, or the order of events at the county fair. Come to think of it, I’m not even sure they should have the final word on the prom theme, lest they choose something biblical.

    Carson’s presence on the GOP leader board may be a sign of impoending societal doom.

  68. Kate says:
    November 8, 2015 at 12:01 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    He did. I had to be taken to Hendry Regional Medical Hospital because he almost broke my neck. He was a deputy and he lied to the medical staff saying it was an car accident. One of the nurses said, “This wasn’t any car accident. Why has she got all of these bruises on her legs?”

    They were smart enough to take photos and I think they took samples of semen as well. I was very much afraid of Volin. Why does he start to stutter in this video? Professionals don’t stutter. If I’m lying, why doesn’t he sue? Why doesn’t he file for an injunction?

    It ain’t rocket science, folks and you shouldn’t be blaming the victim. I didn’t rape myself, now did I?

    http://www.liveleak.com/c/Nancy_Owens

    If they had suspected you were raped, they would have called the police and you would have answered questions. There would also be a report that could still be found if it had happened as you claimed. In fact, you could post a hospital record from then for proof of your latest story.

    As usual, you give bits and pieces of your story each time you tell them, then change them in the next telling. You’ve been lying since day one about the picture you claim is you and Obama and have included almost everyone who has name has been mentioned in the birther saga as part of your past. The people who live in Clewiston have said you’re lying, including your family members. Nobody believes you on here or anywhere else so why do you continue to post this b.s.?

    There is one important question you refuse to answer because you know it proves you to be a liar. You can’t explain the age difference between Obama and his sister in the photo you claim is you despite you being the same age as him. The girl in the photo is clearly several years younger and it was taken in Hawaii at his graduation from high school. The other pictures of the event show him with the same lei and with Maya Soetoro in the same dress and Barack Obama with the same sport coat. NOBODY would wear a sport coat to a party in Florida in August. It’s the little things that have always tripped you up. You ought to go write fiction, your horror stories could probably sell.

  70. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 8, 2015 at 4:49 pm  (Quote)

    It appears that you have put an Obama Conspiracy Theories comment feed into your web site. The content of this site is copyrighted (as noted in the footer of each page and in the site Visitor Information page). Republishing the \comment feed would, in my opinion, exceed fair use of the material. See:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

    Because I do not want my content being used in a way that promotes your web site, I do not grant you permission to use my copyrighted material.

    Nancy R Owens: Yes or no?

  71. justlw says:
    November 8, 2015 at 5:42 pm  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: showing a town-sized pile of stones, with little tiny rooms that made up less than 1% of its volume

    If it was the same illustration I saw, it was less than .02% of the volume!

    Consumer Reports has an occasional “Golden Cocoon Award” feature where readers send in examples of particularly excessive overpackaging. I think Joseph gets the Lifetime Achievement trophy.

  72. Rickey says:
    November 8, 2015 at 5:49 pm  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: Yeah, “paid” for by putting your life on the line for at least 5 years. Those people earn that education. I knew that when I was a high school senior, and I had zero chance of being nominated and zero interest in attending. It seems odd that someone deeply involved on JROTC wouldn’t.

    Carson’s autobiography also is wrong about the military commitment after graduating West Point. On page 67 he says it was a four-year commitment, but as you point out it is a five-year commitment.

  73. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 8, 2015 at 6:39 pm  (Quote)

    OK
    I think this is entirely legal. How’s this look?

    http://iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.weebly.com/birther-feed.html

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    It appears that you have put an Obama Conspiracy Theories comment feed into your web site. The content of this site is copyrighted (as noted in the footer of each page and in the site Visitor Information page). Republishing the comment feed would, in my opinion, exceed fair use of the material. See:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

    Because I do not want my content being used in a way that promotes your web site, I do not grant you permission to use my copyrighted material.

  74. Keith says:
    November 8, 2015 at 6:40 pm  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: I think we should start calling young-earth creationists “Lokians” instead of “Christians”.

    Good idea. I’m gonna do exactly that from now on.

  75. Kate says:
    November 8, 2015 at 6:42 pm  (Quote)

    Rickey: Carson’s autobiography also is wrong about the military commitment after graduating West Point. On page 67 he says it was a four-year commitment, but as you point out it is a five-year commitment.

    Hearing Carson on TV today talking about how difficult it is to remember events that happened decades ago and of course, the host lets him get away with it. However, Carson had no problem talking about these same things when no one was questioning the veracity of his statements.

    It said very clearly in his autobiography, “I was offered a scholarship to West Point.” He’s trying to tell the host that he never said that despite the book being read to him! He’s been pulling this crap for weeks and I’m glad he’s finally getting called on it. He used to complain that he was being taken out of context or that the media ignores what he said prior to whatever it is they’re questioning even when they play the entire quote along with whatever he said prior to that. Carson will say whatever he wants, talking over whoever is interviewing him and knows his supporters will ignore whatever the media reports by simply trashing them.

  76. Keith says:
    November 8, 2015 at 6:47 pm  (Quote)

    Kate: NOBODY would wear a sport coat to a party in Florida in August.

    Yeahbut… Petrocelli wore a three piece suit in Tucson in August – and every other month for that matter. Now THAT is the definition of insanity.

  77. Kate says:
    November 8, 2015 at 7:25 pm  (Quote)

    Keith: Yeahbut… Petrocelli wore a three piece suit in Tucson in August – and every other month for that matter. Now THAT is the definition of insanity.

    Should I pretend I have no idea who you’re talking about or age myself and agree with you? I’ve been in Tucson in August and just roll my eyes when people try to tell you the heat won’t bother you due to the lack of humidity. It’s insanity to wear a sportcoat in August in Tucson w/o humidity or in Florida w/oppressive humidity, especially if you’re allegedly a young male teen at a birthday party. At least I know the latter didn’t happen and hopefully Petrocelli was well-compensated for his discomfort.

  78. Rickey says:
    November 8, 2015 at 8:44 pm  (Quote)

    Kate: Hearing Carson on TV today talking about how difficult it is to remember events that happened decades ago and of course, the host lets him get away with it.However, Carson had no problem talking about these same things when no one was questioning the veracity of his statements.

    It said very clearly in his autobiography, “I was offered a scholarship to West Point.”He’s trying to tell the host that he never said that despite the book being read to him!He’s been pulling this crap for weeks and I’m glad he’s finally getting called on it.He used to complain that he was being taken out of context or that the media ignores what he said prior to whatever it is they’re questioning even when they play the entire quote along with whatever he said prior to that.Carson will say whatever he wants, talking over whoever is interviewing him and knows his supporters will ignore whatever the media reports by simply trashing them.

    Did anybody ask him how his memory was 25 years ago? I ask that because the copyright date of his autobiography is 1990.

    Much of his book can be accessed for free at Google Books. It’s clear that nothing about his West Point “scholarship” has been taken out of context. Check out pages 67 and 68.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=ugL0G2f-k4cC&q=west+point#v=onepage&q&f=false

  79. chancery says:
    November 8, 2015 at 8:49 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Yes.

    –?

  80. RanTalbott says:
    November 8, 2015 at 9:16 pm  (Quote)

    Rickey: On page 67 he says it was a four-year commitment, but as you point out it is a five-year commitment.

    In fairness to Carson, he might be right about what it was back then. All I actually remember is the order of magnitude: it was double or so the two years of active duty if you enlisted. I read the five year figure as part of the recent news coverage, and it might have changed in the intervening decades.

    But I think that’s silly nitpicking, and the real emphasis should be on his anti-science attitudes. Which are not atypical for the GOP, who put Paul “Lies from the Pit of Hell” Broun on the (bleeping) Science, Space and Technology committee of the House. Appointing someone who thinks the government shouldn’t be funding the space program because it’s not a proper function is a legitimate philosophical difference that might even help prevent boondoggles. But picking someone who thinks that the ISS stays in orbit because it’s dangling from God’s carpet of stars shows a lack of fitness to govern.

    You could make a good bumper-sticker campaign from “Republicans want to let your grandmother die next flu season because they don’t believe flu viruses can evolve into forms that require a new vaccine”.

  81. Rickey says:
    November 8, 2015 at 9:24 pm  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: In fairness to Carson, he might be right about what it was back then. All I actually remember is the order of magnitude: it was double or so the two years of active duty if you enlisted. I read the five year figure as part of the recent news coverage, and it might have changed in the intervening decades.
    .

    I’ll check on that. A high school friend went to the Air Force Academy, Class of 1971. I’ll ask him what his active duty commitment was.

  82. RanTalbott says:
    November 8, 2015 at 9:34 pm  (Quote)

    justlw: If it was the same illustration I saw, it was less than .02% of the volume!

    It might have been the same illustration, but the one I saw would have been scaled down: there weren’t enough pixels to get that precise. Not that I would have bothered: it was obviously more than a full order of magnitude smaller that what could be considered credible.

    Plus, as I pointed out to friend while discussing, not only did the Egyptians tell us who built the pyramids, they literally wrote it in stone.

    The Register (a British IT mag that’s also/entirely online) did/does something similar to the “Golden Cocoon” awards. A couple of outstanding examples were a group of about 10 software license certificates, with each single sheet of paper packed in its own 1 cubic foot or so box, and a small replacement part (a mouse, I think) that was not only ridiculously over-packaged, but shipped on its own pallet.

  83. John Reilly says:
    November 8, 2015 at 10:08 pm  (Quote)

    My recollection of the service commitment at the Air Force Academy in the 80s was that it varied depending on your career path. For those of us who became pilots, as I recall it could vary from 8 to 10 years, plus National Guard service. The basic commitment for non-pilots was 8 years, which was at least 5 years active duty plus 3 years reserves.

    My commitment also was extended because of graduate programs I took. In any event, I served 18 years until my eye injury.

    When I decided I wanted to go to the Academy, my Dad took me to see our Congressman, who we knew. I still had to take tests, fill out an application, and pass a background check. No one ever said to me that he could guarantee me a full scholarship. No one used the scholarship word.

  84. justlw says:
    November 8, 2015 at 11:41 pm  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: It might have been the same illustration, but the one I saw would have been scaled down: there weren’t enough pixels to get that precise.

    Oh, the guy himself did the math on the one I saw. I wouldn’t have gone through the measurements, either; I’m completely with you on the “you don’t need to be a brain surgeon to figure out the visual says this is ridiculous”.

    The Register (a British IT mag that’s also/entirely online)

    I know El Reg well. (They’ve even quoted me a couple of times…) Generally hilarious and often astute takes on the industry — although I don’t know why they’re so heavily invested in AGW denial these days. Seems kind of off-brand.

    a small replacement part (a mouse, I think) that was not only ridiculously over-packaged, but shipped on its own pallet.

    I remember that! HP, I’m pretty sure.

  86. Arthur B. says:
    November 9, 2015 at 4:03 pm  (Quote)

    A propos of nothing, I think that someone who’s old enough to remember it ought to recognize the fiftieth anniversary of the Great Northeast Blackout.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_1965

    Consider it done.

  87. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 9, 2015 at 4:44 pm  (Quote)

    I will not be filing a DMCA takedown notice.

    Nancy R Owens: How about this, Doc?

  88. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 9, 2015 at 4:49 pm  (Quote)

    The Grace Poe presidential eligibility controversy has been raging in the Philippines for months now. Here’s today’s article:

    http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/11/09/1519968/set-votes-poe-case-next-week

  89. Keith says:
    November 9, 2015 at 5:03 pm  (Quote)

    Arthur B.:
    A propos of nothing, I think that someone who’s old enough to remember it ought to recognize the fiftieth anniversary of the Great Northeast Blackout.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_1965

    Consider it done.

    Yeah those Canadians are devious aren’t they, running a simulated attack on the United States 75 years early. Just think what they could do with computers!

  90. Dave says:
    November 9, 2015 at 6:40 pm  (Quote)

    I wanted to note Klayman’s stunning victory against the NSA.

    His original widely reported victory, I guess a couple years ago now, was when the news reports said the NSA telephone metadata collection program had been struct down by a Federal judge — but in fact the judge had issued a preliminary injunction barring the NSA from collecting data on the plaintiffs, and stayed the injunction pending appeal.

    Today’s victory is being described in somewhat more guarded terms, but in fact has some microscopic effect, unlike the last victory. This time, there are more plaintiffs — I think about two more? — and the judge has added them to the injunction and unstayed it. So now the NSA cannot collection metadata on those individuals.

    The program has for some time been scheduled to end on Nov. 29. So this order affects 20 days of collection on a handful of people.

  91. RanTalbott says:
    November 9, 2015 at 6:41 pm  (Quote)

    Keith: Just think what they could do with computers!

    Yeah, they could really give us WATFOR 😉

    Actually, they did: geeks old enough to remember will be amused to hear that Waterloo agreed a few years ago to let their compiler suite be distributed with the (now free) MTS. And that there are people running them. Including on Linux, using a 370 emulator.

    So, if you have an old monitor with broken R and B guns, and a hankering for the days when you could take a lunch break while your compile ran, now you can put it to use. 1200 baud modem optional…

  92. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 9, 2015 at 7:02 pm  (Quote)

    And for that I shall inflict upon you a joke:

    In the kingdom of Thuth, the king declared, on penalty of death, that all in the kingdom should bow down and worship him. Each inhabitant was therefore brought before the king to perform obeisance. One refused, but the king decided to overlook the slight. Then there was a second, then a third, then a fourth. The king tolerated them until there was one more, and that was too many. The king declared:

    “What? Five? Die agnostics!”

    For the uninitiated, WATFOR was short for Waterloo FORTRAN, but its successor was called WATFIV (Waterloo FORTRAN IV).

    My first “computer language” was FORTRAN IV, the IBM DOS implementation. I have seen WATFOR/WATFIV, but never used them. All I remember is that the compiler would try to correct mistakes, and then correct its corrections, leading to a cascade of diagnostics (maybe I am confusing that with WATBOL).

    RanTalbott: Yeah, they could really give us WATFOR

  93. Dave B. says:
    November 9, 2015 at 7:29 pm  (Quote)

    I took a WATFIV course my first semester in college, back in ’78. Hated it. Punch cards.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    And for that I shall inflict upon you a joke:

    In the kingdom of Thuth, the king declared, on penalty of death, that all in the kingdom should bow down and worship him. Each inhabitant was therefore brought before the king to perform obeisance. One refused, but the king decided to overlook the slight. Then there was a second, then a third, then a fourth. The king tolerated them until there was one more, and that was too many. The king declared:

    “What? Five? Die agnostics!”

    For the uninitiated, WATFOR was short for Waterloo FORTRAN, but its successor was called WATFIV (Waterloo FORTRAN IV).

    My first “computer language” was FORTRAN IV, the IBM DOS implementation. I have seen WATFOR/WATFIV, but never used them. All I remember is that the compiler would try to correct mistakes, and then correct its corrections, leading to a cascade of diagnostics (maybe I am confusing that with WATBOL).

  94. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 9, 2015 at 7:47 pm  (Quote)

    Ah yes, It was 1972 for me with the punch cards. When I was working for the County around 1977, We replaced our key punch machines with video display terminals. I wrote an IBM 029 card punch emulator (in FORTRAN probably) including the program drum card so the data entry folks wouldn’t have to re-learn everything. I wrote it in FORTRAN because it was the main language for the Pr1me minicomputer we had. The operating system was written in FORTRAN and Assembler.

    Speaking of cutting edge computing…

    Windows 10 Threshold 2 build 10586 is being installed on OARPA1 as I type. This is most likely the build that will go into general release RSN (“real soon now”, what we used to say instead of “any day now”).

    Edited to say: Well that installation went smoothly.

    Dave B.: Punch cards.

  95. Kate says:
    November 9, 2015 at 8:17 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy,

    You know that Mike Zullo is in Arizona for at least the next several days due to the trial. Now is the time for you to call the Sheriff’s Department and ask to speak to Mike Moore. I’m certain that you’ll find all the proof you need to determine they are two different people. Also, look at the picture of Zullo on the front of the newspaper article you posted and look at Mike Moore’s FB pic. If you can’t admit they are two different people, you are the one with the problem, nobody else but you believes this nonsense about them being the same person.

  96. Rickey says:
    November 9, 2015 at 9:44 pm  (Quote)

    Arthur B.:
    A propos of nothing, I think that someone who’s old enough to remember it ought to recognize the fiftieth anniversary of the Great Northeast Blackout.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_1965

    Consider it done.

    At the time I was a senior in high school in a suburb of New York City. I was at home when the lights went out so personally it wasn’t a big deal. We made do with candles and when I woke up the next morning the power was on.

  97. Reality Check says:
    November 9, 2015 at 9:56 pm  (Quote)

    I’ve done several Windows 10 upgrades and none have gone perfectly. On my desktop Windows 7 machine the video card started locking up after I upgraded to 10 so I reverted to 7 back in August.

    I tried the upgrade again on the same machine last week and the first time failed altogether. The second installation worked but he Start button was not working. I did a several thing to try to fix it and finally got it working by toggling the tablet mode on and off a couple of times.

    I still have a problem with the search box on the task bar not working on a laptop that was upgraded from 8,1. I will get around to that one when I have time.

    Dr. Conspiracy: Edited to say: Well that installation went smoothly.

  98. Keith says:
    November 9, 2015 at 10:19 pm  (Quote)

    Reality Check: I’ve done several Windows 10 upgrades and none have gone perfectly. On my desktop Windows 7 machine the video card started locking up after I upgraded to 10 so I reverted to 7 back in August.

    I have done two Win7 64bit Home edition to Win10 64bit Home edition upgrades and one 32bit upgrade so far and all have gone perfectly smooth.

    The only issue I had with any of them was when I tried to clone my Samsung 256G SSD to a new Samsung 512G SSD before the upgrade on my main machine. I wanted to have a plug and play backup before I committed may ‘real’ machine to Win 10 upgrade since so many people seem to be reporting problems.

    The Samsung Data Migration program copied the C:\ drive perfectly but the new disk wasn’t bootable and I must have initialized it and retried it about 5 times. Fortunately I also have a Western Digital spinning disk in the machine so that allowed the WD cloning utility to run against the two SSDs. The result was perfect and I just unplugged the 256G SSD, plugged in the 512G SSD, ran the upgrade and viola! Perfect result.

    I have one more machine to go – my Wifes Win8.1 laptop. It doesn’t have a CD drive so I have to figure out how to get the upgrade on to a USB message stick. It’s also the only one of the three that is a Pro edition. So maybe that’s where I’ll see problems. I might have a more difficult time getting a ‘clone’ of her disk too, we’ll see.

    Then I might just pay up for the upgrade to ‘Pro’ on my main machine.

  99. Keith says:
    November 9, 2015 at 10:52 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: My first “computer language” was FORTRAN IV, the IBM DOS implementation.

    My first “computer language” was IBM 1401 Assembler (quite fun actually), but soon ‘upgraded’ to 1401 Fortran IV. The 1401 Fortran IV compiler was actually quite advanced for its time, better than the IBM 1130 Fortran IV Compiler and better than the IBM 360 DOS Fortran IV compiler.

    The 1130 was supposedly aimed at scientific computing, and indeed the Lunar and Planetary Lab at the University of Arizona (they got one of the very first Lunar rocks distributed to research labs) used one. My brother worked there at the time I was using a 1401 at the Tucson School District #1. The 1130 compiler did not support logical IF statements, while the 1401 could.

    When I started working for the City, they had a 360 and ran DOS. They were having all kinds of trouble trying to read census tapes and process them with SPSS (which at the time was just a collection of Fortran callable subroutines. Turns out the DOS FORTRAN compiler run time routines had a completely artificial restriction on the record size (255 IIRC) that could be defined with a FORMAT statement even though the control variable was a half word and could handle 32K. I think census records were 1024 bytes or something like that. It also could not read multi-volume tape files and the Census files ran to 10 tapes or so. I fixed so a special configuation of the UNIT statement identified that the user wanted big records and big tape files and patched the runtime “on the fly” to make the record limit 32K and to use the ‘proper’ OPEN macro that could read multivolume files. ‘Easy’.

    Then I found out we were using the obsolete ‘freebee’ Fortran Compiler and the IBM expected everyone who wanted to do ‘real’ work would buy the ‘new’ one which could do all those things out of the box. Stuff that, with my patches we had a better compiler anyway – I could talk to the COBOL runtime library too, so we could call FORTRAN routines from COBOL programs, even in CICS (which had special needs when going into a wait – youi didn’t issue OpSys waits in a CICS program). I don’t think anybody else in the world was able to do that. IBM really never had any interest in making their runtime libraries compatible across languages – unlike CDC that had the best compilers in the industry.

    The UofA had WATFOR and WATFIV available on the CDC6400, but nobody used it much; CDC’s Fortran was much better. We did use a lot of other Waterloo utilities though and a few years later I used some of the Waterloo VM library utilities at the City. I ‘stole’ an idea from them for a VM/CMS program to monitor DOS guest machines background partition status and expanded it into a full blown Operator’s Control panel – it display all status for all DOS partitions like tape mount requests, it was really cool at the time and way way ahead of any commercial product out there. That program was spread to several sites, I don’t know if anyone tried to commercialize it – Computer Associates used to do that sort of thing, but I never approached them about it. IBM was too intent on getting DOS shops to move to MVS to recognize that the VM and DOS/VSE combo was much more flexible. VM rules (on IBM). I still have that program on tape in my bookroom. One of these days I’ll get the tapes copied to a USB message stick for posterity if they are still readable.

  100. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 9, 2015 at 11:04 pm  (Quote)

    You can just download the ISO file and copy it to the stick, then mount it in Windows 8.1.

    Keith: I have one more machine to go – my Wifes Win8.1 laptop. It doesn’t have a CD drive so I have to figure out how to get the upgrade on to a USB message stick.

  101. donna says:
    November 9, 2015 at 11:07 pm  (Quote)

    He’s BAAACK ….. Wayne Allyn Root

    “It’s time to DEMAND that Obama release his Columbia college records.”

    Why are Obama’s college records sealed? Did they show bad behavior? Was he caught using drugs? Were his grades terrible?

    One possibility is that Obama beat the long odds of being accepted for transfer into Columbia by claiming status as an Indonesian “foreign student.” People familiar with the admissions process tell me that was a likely way to jump ahead of other applicants. But, of course, if true it would be out and out fraud.

    http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/release-the-records-ben-carson-vs-barack-obama-college-edition/#

    Flashback to 2014: Ben Carson defended birtherism on Alan Colmes’ Fox News radio show in May of 2014, and said if Obama didn’t want people to be suspicious of him, he should release all of his records. Carson called having past records exposed “reasonable” if someone is running for office. Yes, this is the same Carson that is now claiming no other candidate has ever been vetted like he is being vetted.

    “Don’t you think it is reasonable for people who are seeking public office … to allow people to see what they are getting and to expose their past records.”

    Asked if Carson has any questions about whether Obama was born here, Carson said, “I do have questions about where he applied from…”

    http://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/09/ben-carson-demands-obamas-college-records-refusing-release.html

    Doc, i THOUGHT we were almost done with this basura

  102. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 9, 2015 at 11:07 pm  (Quote)

    Threshold 2 has a lot of fixes in it. I don’t know about your video card.

    Reality Check: I’ve done several Windows 10 upgrades and none have gone perfectly. On my desktop Windows 7 machine the video card started locking up after I upgraded to 10 so I reverted to 7 back in August.

  103. roadburner says:
    November 10, 2015 at 4:36 am  (Quote)

    donna:
    He’s BAAACK ….. Wayne Allyn Root

    funny, but they say he never went to columbia, but root is touted as `the president’s classmate’.

    it’s amazing they don’t see the contradiction.

  104. The Magic M (not logged in) says:
    November 10, 2015 at 5:19 am  (Quote)

    roadburner: but root is touted as `the president’s classmate’

    I used to wonder about that, too, but I guess it’s just their shorthand for “the guy who would’ve been the President’s classmate if the President had actually gone to Columbia”. So it’s probably not a contradiction, just a slightly misleading (but correct in the real world) abbreviation.

  105. Keith says:
    November 10, 2015 at 6:58 am  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    You can just download the ISO file and copy it to the stick, then mount it in Windows 8.1.

    Excellent.

  106. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 10, 2015 at 9:41 am  (Quote)

    Yes, I did. And, I have done so in the past only to be ignored. Witness testimony IS evidence. Sure, it can be rejected after an investigation. But, ignore? I don’t think they’re supposed to do that.

    James M: I’m among the least “new” members of OCT, and in any case, you didn’t confront law enforcement with evidence, which is why they don’t accept your claims.

  107. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 10, 2015 at 9:43 am  (Quote)

    Just as I’m posting my new website. I’m sure they’ll be pulling all of them out of the woodwork soon.

    http://iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.weebly.com/

    roadburner: funny, but they say he never went to columbia, but root is touted as `the president’s classmate’.

    it’s amazing they don’t see the contradiction.

  108. bob says:
    November 10, 2015 at 9:55 am  (Quote)

    Over at Judy’s blog, Judy posted the latest round of papers that he threw at SCOTUS.

    They were not docketed. Because Judy can’t accept that his case is O – V – E – R.

  109. bgansel9 says:
    November 10, 2015 at 10:13 am  (Quote)

    Regarding today’s QOTD:

    “Why on God’s Green Earth do you allow PROVEN #OBOTS to INFECT & TRASH this website with their BS??!! We know who they are and they need to be ABOLISHED!! ASAP!! Thank you in advance for this PURGE!” (by Saska at BR)

    Ummmm, why can’t Saska take the heat? Saska needs an echo chamber to keep believing in his/her viewpoint? Sounds like a serious weakness.

  110. bgansel9 says:
    November 10, 2015 at 10:15 am  (Quote)

    bob: They were not docketed. Because Judy can’t accept that his case is O – V – E – R.

    Just as Judy was told this case would be not more than a month or two ago. Can we finally get an acknowledgement that we didn’t lie to him on this soon?

  111. bgansel9 says:
    November 10, 2015 at 10:18 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: Sure, it can be rejected after an investigation. But, ignore? I don’t think they’re supposed to do that.

    Why don’t you go turn yourself in for all of the murders you say you committed (don’t forget to mention the Hendry County sheriff’s deputies)? I’m sure they’ll listen and promptly find a place to put you soon after that.

  112. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 10, 2015 at 10:25 am  (Quote)

    Joan Rivers was, what, 81 when she died and she was gorgeous. I know Mike Zullo Moore quite well and that is either him. Or, one heck of a Hollywood actor who has studied Mike Moore to a “T.” A face lift, some hair die, a water diet, etc. can do wonders, I’m sure.

    Again, it was confirmed by Mike Volin on video.

    Kate:
    Nancy,

    You know that Mike Zullo is in Arizona for at least the next several days due to the trial.Now is the time for you to call the Sheriff’s Department and ask to speak to Mike Moore.I’m certain that you’ll find all the proof you need to determine they are two different people.Also, look at the picture of Zullo on the front of the newspaper article you posted and look at Mike Moore’s FB pic.If you can’t admit they are two different people, you are the one with the problem, nobody else but you believes this nonsense about them being the same person.

  113. bgansel9 says:
    November 10, 2015 at 10:28 am  (Quote)

    Reality Check: She can be annoying, and she is obviously sick, but apparently harmless.

    Harmless except to all of those people she says she killed.

  114. bgansel9 says:
    November 10, 2015 at 10:31 am  (Quote)

    Arthur B.: A propos of nothing, I think that someone who’s old enough to remember it ought to recognize the fiftieth anniversary of the Great Northeast Blackout.

    I was riding home from nursery school going over the Ramapo mountains (Skyline Drive) in New Jersey when that blackout happened. My mother was listening to WABC New York and the radio went to static at the same time I was watching the city lights below and they all went out. We got home to find my father had made dinner which we ate by candlelight. Thanks for the memories.

  115. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 10, 2015 at 11:10 am  (Quote)

    I left this message at BR directed at Steve (Saska) and Carpenter Patriot:

    “:I think what galls Saska and others demanding that the Obots be censored at this site, is that they really can’t reply to use with any substance. It’s rather like the birther position on Obama–they couldn’t beat him in the election, so they wanted him out of the race. They can’t win fair and square, so they want the referee to remove their opponents from the playing field.

    Our comments are fact based, with sources when requested. All I get in return is references to gay sex and bodily functions. Obot comments and birther comments are different as night and day, and the light we shed just goes to illuminate the degradation of the other side. We speak reasonably, and you foam at the mouth. Carpenter Patriot calls us imbeciles, but he’s the one with nothing but insults and inane threats. ”

    bgansel9: Ummmm, why can’t Saska take the heat? Saska needs an echo chamber to keep believing in his/her viewpoint? Sounds like a serious weakness.

  116. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    November 10, 2015 at 11:13 am  (Quote)

    roadburner: funny, but they say he never went to columbia, but root is touted as `the president’s classmate’.

    it’s amazing they don’t see the contradiction.

    Yeah but at another time he’s also claimed that Obama was known as Barry Soetoro at Columbia.

  117. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    November 10, 2015 at 11:14 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    Yes, I did. And, I have done so in the past only to be ignored. Witness testimony IS evidence. Sure, it can be rejected after an investigation. But, ignore? I don’t think they’re supposed to do that.

    You making up stories isn’t evidence. You actually have to have proof to back up your claims which is why you’re always rejected. Take for instance your claim about you once being shot. You should be able to show proof of such wound some scar or what not but you’ve never done that either.

  118. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    November 10, 2015 at 11:15 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    Joan Rivers was, what, 81 when she died and she was gorgeous. I know Mike Zullo Moore quite well and that is either him. Or, one heck of a Hollywood actor who has studied Mike Moore to a “T.” A face lift, some hair die, a water diet, etc. can do wonders, I’m sure.

    Again, it was confirmed by Mike Volin on video.

    Lol he has a facelift every day so that he could keep two different identities online?

  119. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 10, 2015 at 11:52 am  (Quote)

    I did. Osceola County, Florida. I’ve told you this several times, Dr. K.

    bgansel9: Why don’t you go turn yourself in for all of the murders you say you committed (don’t forget to mention the Hendry County sheriff’s deputies)? I’m sure they’ll listen and promptly find a place to put you soon after that.

  120. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 10, 2015 at 11:55 am  (Quote)

    Lets see if we can find a motive here. Congress, mere Russian puppets, have placed a foreign King on the American throne which renders them obsolete. But, they don’t want the world to know…….?

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Lol he has a facelift every day so that he could keep two different identities online?

  121. Kate says:
    November 10, 2015 at 12:32 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    Joan Rivers was, what, 81 when she died and she was gorgeous. I know Mike Zullo Moore quite well and that is either him. Or, one heck of a Hollywood actor who has studied Mike Moore to a “T.” A face lift, some hair die, a water diet, etc. can do wonders, I’m sure.

    Again, it was confirmed by Mike Volin on video.

    So you won’t call Hendry Co. Sheriff’s Depart today or tomorrow because you know Zullo is in AZ? Are you afraid that Mike Moore will get on the phone? What do you think he does, dye his hair from white to dk. brown and back? Along with the mustache? They are not the same people no matter what you say. Are you going to call HCSO or not? If so, why not? If someone tells you he’s not going to be there for several days and you can get it on video as you’ve done before, you can go on pretending they are the same person. If they connect you to him, another part of your lie bites the dust.

  122. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:
    November 10, 2015 at 1:37 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    Lets see if we can find a motive here. Congress, mere Russian puppets, have placed a foreign King on the American throne which renders them obsolete. But, they don’t want the world to know…….?

    Do you understand how stupid you sound? A facelift every day if not every few hours to pretend to be two different people at the same time. Are you sure he wasn’t cloned?

  123. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 10, 2015 at 4:23 pm  (Quote)

    I called Mike ZulloMoore twice and left a message both times. He never returned my phone call. Who’s afraid of whom? I also called Arpaio in May of 2015. Here’s the video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSRbfL507Eg

    You also know I called Volin and the FBI.

    Kate: So you won’t call Hendry Co. Sheriff’s Depart today or tomorrow because you know Zullo is in AZ?Are you afraid that Mike Moore will get on the phone?What do you think he does, dye his hair from white to dk. brown and back?Along with the mustache?They are not the same people no matter what you say.Are you going to call HCSO or not?If so, why not?If someone tells you he’s not going to be there for several days and you can get it on video as you’ve done before, you can go on pretending they are the same person.If they connect you to him, another part of your lie bites the dust.

  124. Keith says:
    November 11, 2015 at 12:15 am  (Quote)

    C’mon folk, can we all review the image Doc has put near the top of the page (on a desktop browser), below the QOTD and the “Select a Conspiracy Category” and above the “Latest Comments” section.

    Please.

    I think you know what and who I’m talking about here.

  125. bgansel9 says:
    November 11, 2015 at 1:40 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens: I did. Osceola County, Florida. I’ve told you this several times, Dr. K.

    Who is Dr. K? You mean Doc C? I’m not Doc. I’m not a Doctor C sock puppet either. Believe it or not, Nancy, I’m a real live person, living in Arizona (unlike Doc).

    As for your not getting anyone to talk to you about your confessions that you have killed several Sheriff’s deputies, you must be joking.

  126. bgansel9 says:
    November 11, 2015 at 1:45 pm  (Quote)

    Keith: can we all review the image Doc has put near the top of the page

    Some people take her seriously, not realizing the level of crazy involved in her stories. I consider it a community service to bring it to the attention of others who seem unaware.

  127. bgansel9 says:
    November 11, 2015 at 1:54 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: I left this message at BR directed at Steve (Saska) and Carpenter Patriot…

    Good one. It’s too bad they have bought into the con. They will never figure out something as simple as what you wrote.

  128. Rickey says:
    November 11, 2015 at 2:51 pm  (Quote)

    Mike Moore’s full name is Kevin Michael Moore. He has a listed home telephone number, so Nancy could easily call him at home and find out if he is in Florida or Arizona today. My bet is on Florida.

    Also, Mike Moore was born in 1946 and will turn 69 next month.

    Mike Zullo was born in 1960 and turned 55 last month.

    In addition to the age difference and other obvious differences, Mike Moore has very prominent cheeks which Zullo does not.

    https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11009206_10152911502293740_4264738034551861954_n.jpg?oh=aadc5458db3cf0551257992477794cb9&oe=56AF094A

    http://images1.phoenixnewtimes.com/imager/u/745xauto/7815628/zman2.jpg

  129. Jim says:
    November 11, 2015 at 3:08 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    I called Mike ZulloMoore twice and left a message both times. He never returned my phone call.

    I get phone calls regularly for a Kathy Mylastname, I don’t return those calls either. I’ve also gotten calls for James Mylastname who owns a golf course. I don’t return calls for him either. Not returning the call of a person who is so obviously mistaken about your identity is not unusual.

  130. RanTalbott says:
    November 11, 2015 at 4:03 pm  (Quote)

    Rickey: Mike Zullo was born in 1960 and turned 55 last month.

    Someone should tell him to call AARP: I think they have a discount legal services plan 😈

  131. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 11, 2015 at 4:14 pm  (Quote)

    https://www.aarplsn.com/lsn/home.do

    That link is not a recommendation of the AARP plan. This web site has not screened any of the attorneys listed there, and does not represent that they are competent, qualified, or that their representations are truthful. This is not a lawyer referral service. I make no promise, warranty or guaranty of the quality of the offered services. Park, lock and take your keys. Not responsible for children left in shopping carts. Your mileage may vary.

    RanTalbott: Someone should tell him to call AARP: I think they have a discount legal services plan

  132. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 11, 2015 at 4:16 pm  (Quote)

    I’ve been getting voice mails and text messages for Kathy. I finally got a live caller. After saying that I was not Kathy, we went on with his sales pitch anyway.

    http://www.donotcall.gov

    Jim: Not returning the call of a person who is so obviously mistaken about your identity is not unusual.

  133. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 11, 2015 at 4:21 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Ken Noisewater.

    bgansel9: Who is Dr. K?

  134. Dave B. says:
    November 11, 2015 at 4:40 pm  (Quote)

    Well then it’s a birther’s dream, ain’t it?

    Dr. Conspiracy: This web site has not screened any of the attorneys listed there, and does not represent that they are competent, qualified, or that their representations are truthful.

  135. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 11, 2015 at 4:46 pm  (Quote)

    I’ve graduated from hot dogs to hamburgers.

  136. RanTalbott says:
    November 11, 2015 at 4:48 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: This web site has not screened any of the attorneys listed there, and does not represent that they are competent, qualified, or that their representations are truthful.

    Hmmm, isn’t Angie of “Angie’s List” in their target demographic? Maybe she could give them some tips on improving their service 😉

    I got an eye exam the other day, and the optometrist’s clerk told me AARP also have an eyeglass discount. Zullo might also benefit from getting glasses so people won’t hit him while he’s in prison. Or he could ask the warden to issue him a uniform that says “I lied: I wasn’t really a cop”…

    Just to show him there are no hard feelings, should we all chip in and buy him a membership as a belated birthday gift?

  137. Jim says:
    November 11, 2015 at 4:52 pm  (Quote)

    I’m already on donotcall.gov, these weren’t sales calls. One was looking for Kathy about some legal matter (it dies down after a while, then picks up again in a year or so with a new lawyer calling. She’s been a baaaaad girl!)

    The second one, well that’s pretty funny because we have the same name, including middle initial. I had a hard time explaining to the caller that no, I don’t want to host a PGA event, no I don’t want to sponsor an event, and yes, if you want to give me free tickets I’ll be happy to accept! 😀

  138. RanTalbott says:
    November 11, 2015 at 4:53 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: I’ve graduated from hot dogs to hamburgers.

    Those patties are so thin they’re invisible. Obviously, the gerbils are right about your being a socialist 😉

  139. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 11, 2015 at 5:09 pm  (Quote)

    That’s a “before” shot. Patties came later.

    RanTalbott: Those patties are so thin they’re invisible.

  140. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 11, 2015 at 5:22 pm  (Quote)

    And I went to the movies and saw an ad for an AARP movie discount (except it was only on evening films, and the discounted ticket was more than the regular matinee price). $3 off a popcorn/drink combination, though.

    RanTalbott: the optometrist’s clerk told me AARP also have an eyeglass discount.

  141. Rickey says:
    November 11, 2015 at 7:16 pm  (Quote)

    I just remembered that Nancy once called Mike Moore’s home phone in Clewiston. Moore’s wife answered the phone, and Nancy asked to speak to “Mike Zullo Moore.” Mrs, Moore, of course, had no idea what Nancy meant by that.

    Nancy apparently imagines that Mike Moore undergoes plastic surgery before he travels to Arizona, and then he has plastic surgery reversal surgery before he returns to Clewiston. He must be a fast healer.

  142. Dave says:
    November 11, 2015 at 8:36 pm  (Quote)

    I guess I spoke too soon about Klayman’s victory over the NSA — the next day the appeal court stayed the preliminary injunction. There will be a hearing later this month, so maybe the stay will be lifted then?

    But what I find really interesting is that the injunction on Monday was widely reported — but about the stay on Tuesday, I have been only able to find two reports, at the Guardian and Ars Technica. Must have something to do with the definition of news.

  143. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 11, 2015 at 9:26 pm  (Quote)

    My email to Mike Zullo Moore, might have been included in the evidence log. Here’s my photo proof of this email which I have decided to add onto my webpage for the time being.

    http://iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.weebly.com/redirect-to-livelink.html

    And, since when do you have to chase down investigators? I realize that every day that went by meant more and more donation funds going into Zullo’s account. But, at some point you have to do your job.

    Do you think Ms. Zullo Moore got to spend any of that money? If she did, will she have to appear in court as well?

    Obstruction of justice? Treason? What would it be?

    http://iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.weebly.com/redirect-to-livelink.html

    Rickey:
    I just remembered that Nancy once called Mike Moore’s home phone in Clewiston. Moore’s wife answered the phone, and Nancy asked to speak to “Mike Zullo Moore.” Mrs, Moore, of course, had no idea what Nancy meant by that.

    Nancy apparently imagines that Mike Moore undergoes plastic surgery before he travels to Arizona, and then he has plastic surgery reversal surgery before he returns to Clewiston. He must be a fast healer.

  144. RanTalbott says:
    November 12, 2015 at 2:35 am  (Quote)

    Jim: She’s been a baaaaad girl!

    Ooooo, got her real phone #? 😛

    Perversely, I’ve gotten more telemarketing calls after signing up with donotcall.gov than I got before. Happily, the ones I get now are all from just two scammers, so I just need to update my contacts list whenever they start using/spoofing a new phone number, and I get a distinctive ringtone warning whenever they call. I do wish the FTC would actually do something about them, though: despite multiple detailed complaints, they’re still going at it. I’d be willing to bring back the stocks for “Rachel from card services”: those (bleeps) are completely unashamed of running a criminal scam.

  145. Pete says:
    November 12, 2015 at 10:35 am  (Quote)

    RanTalbott: I’d be willing to bring back the stocks for “Rachel from card services”: those (bleeps) are completely unashamed of running a criminal scam.

    For those (bleeps), I think I’d be willing to go as far as seizure of all property plus public caning.

  146. Daniel says:
    November 12, 2015 at 2:10 pm  (Quote)

    //That’s a “before” shot. Patties came later.//

    That’s what SHE said.

    Sorry. That should probably be moderated out lol

  147. Daniel says:
    November 12, 2015 at 2:12 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    My email to Mike Zullo Moore,might have been included in the evidence log. Here’s my photo proof of this email which I have decided to add onto my webpage for the time being.

    http://iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.weebly.com/redirect-to-livelink.html

    Not really sure how you think that supposed screenshot is proof of anything….

    It’s not even proof you sent the email.

  148. bgansel9 says:
    November 12, 2015 at 2:33 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy: Dr. Ken Noisewater.

    Oh, so apparently I’m supposed to be Dr. Ken Noisewater’s sock puppet or something? LMAO

  149. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 12, 2015 at 3:10 pm  (Quote)

    Would you like a copy? You already know what my email address is. Send me an email and I’ll forward my proof. That way you’ll know for certain.

    Daniel: Not really sure how you think that supposed screenshot is proof of anything….

    It’s not even proof you sent the email.

  150. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 12, 2015 at 4:55 pm  (Quote)

    Lemons latest tweet:

    Stephen Lemons ‏@stephenlemons 3m3 minutes ago
    Big question among observers: did Zullo really crack or was this planned.After all,began answering Mastersons Qs right away #ArpaioContempt

  151. Dave B. says:
    November 12, 2015 at 7:08 pm  (Quote)

    Nice “ice-pick” quote of the day there, Doc. I recently discovered the joys of the “Other” Facebook inbox, which I didn’t even know I had. Anyway, I found this gem in there:

    “I tell you what would be a wonderful thought to me after reading your smart ass comment. Meet you in person. Because I would
    Love for you to try and use your mouthy attitude in person to me like you did on the site about Obama’s birth certificate. I guarantee you one thing. You wouldn’t even get half your smart mouth words out before I would be on you like white on rice dude. Your talking to a 22 year veteran of the military and I don’t take smart ass comments well. Tell me where and I’ll be there jerk.”

    I don’t even remember what I said, but the truth is that one of the trials of my soul is that I don’t always suffer fools gladly, so it was probably something about idiots or goofballs or something. Anyway, I took a look at his Facebook page, and, interestingly enough, it was FULL of these “A Little Word of God for a Wonderful Day” entries. So I picked one out, and sent it back as a reply to his message:

    “A LITTLE WORD OF GOD FOR A WONDERFUL DAY
    The Fight For Your Life!
    There is a fight going on inside of me this very day. It is a terrible fight between two identities. One is evil—he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, pride, superiority, and ego. The other is good—he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith.
    This same fight is going on inside you, and inside every other person, too.” Think about it for a while! Then ask yourself, “which identity will win?” The answer is, “The one you feed.”
    Presently, are you the good or evil identity? If you are the evil and would like to change that then seek out a Christian and he or she will help place you on the right path for success. There is really only one way to get there and that is through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. You must first find the Faith then you can fight the good fight!
    God Bless, May the Faith be with you, Always!”

    I haven’t heard back from him. But I have been trying to be a LITTLE more patient.

  152. bob says:
    November 12, 2015 at 9:06 pm  (Quote)

    (“Candidate”) Judy picked up a key endorsement: his mom.

  153. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 13, 2015 at 11:41 am  (Quote)

    The Clintons are covering with this false article. I knew Larry Nichols and did work with him for about a week when the Clintons were in South Florida.

    He is a hit man. Nichols and I spent about a week in Miami countering the Hispanic infiltrators after I provided a false alibi. There was just chump change to be had and Nichols bowed out saying he was going back to work for the Clintons. His list contains at least two false statements which render this whole article false.

    I think Larry Nichols still works for the Clintons.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2015/11/former-clinton-hitman-confesses-to-murdering-people-for-money-video-2756624.html

  154. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 13, 2015 at 12:11 pm  (Quote)

    Klayman files writ at the Supreme Court in Arpaio v. Obama:

    http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/pdf/151112-PetitionWritCertiorariArpaiovObamaUSSC.pdf

    He says the circuits are in conflict over standing to challenge Obama’s immigration policy.

  156. Daniel says:
    November 13, 2015 at 2:12 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    Would you like a copy? You already know what my email address is. Send me an email and I’ll forward my proof. That way you’ll know for certain.

    How would that make me certain?

    Anyone with a copy of MS WORD could have made that screenshot up. Faking an email is child’s play.

  157. bgansel9 says:
    November 13, 2015 at 7:11 pm  (Quote)

    Dave B.: I don’t even remember what I said, but the truth is that one of the trials of my soul is that I don’t always suffer fools gladly, so it was probably something about idiots or goofballs or something. Anyway, I took a look at his Facebook page, and, interestingly enough, it was FULL of these “A Little Word of God for a Wonderful Day” entries. So I picked one out, and sent it back as a reply to his message

    And because the two of you aren’t Facebook friends, it probably went to his OTHER box and he’ll never find it. LMAO

  158. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 13, 2015 at 7:12 pm  (Quote)

    The offer’s there. Take it or leave it.

    Daniel: How would that make me certain?

    Anyone with a copy of MS WORD could have made that screenshot up. Faking an email is child’s play.

  159. bgansel9 says:
    November 13, 2015 at 7:13 pm  (Quote)

    Nancy R. Owens has outlived her sell-by date. When I see a post with her name on it (and not a crazy reply to someone else), I don’t even read it. It’s just not worth my time, at all.

  160. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 13, 2015 at 7:15 pm  (Quote)

    Water, duck’s back, roll.

    bgansel9: When I see a post with her name on it (and not a crazy reply to someone else), I don’t even read it.

  161. Dave B. says:
    November 13, 2015 at 7:34 pm  (Quote)

    The little checkbox says he did, the same day.

    bgansel9: And because the two of you aren’t Facebook friends, it probably went to his OTHER box and he’ll never find it. LMAO

  162. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 13, 2015 at 8:15 pm  (Quote)

    Facebook suggested I be friends with Mike Volin. I don’t have anything against Mike, but I have a strict no birther rule.

  163. bob says:
    November 13, 2015 at 9:06 pm  (Quote)

    Two ballot challenges have been filed in New Hampshire: Andy Martin is challenging Sanders, and Carmon Elliott is challenging Cruz.

    Where’s H. Brooke Paige when we need him?

  165. Rickey says:
    November 13, 2015 at 10:38 pm  (Quote)

    Daniel: Faking an email is child’s play.

    Especially easy for the Medellin cartel’s chief forger!

  166. Keith says:
    November 13, 2015 at 10:40 pm  (Quote)

    Note to Lupin:

    Here is hoping that you and your family and your friends are safe and well after the cowardly attacks in your homeland.

    Our thoughts are with you on this tragic day.

  167. gorefan says:
    November 13, 2015 at 10:52 pm  (Quote)

    bob:
    Two ballot challenges have been filed in New Hampshire: Andy Martin is challenging Sanders, and Carmon Elliott is challenging Cruz.
    Where’s H. Brooke Paige when we need him?

    Robert Laity also filed one according to Post and Email.

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2015/11/13/official-notice-of-dispute-filed-with-new-hampshire-attorney-general-on-four-presidential-candidates-eligibility/

  168. Lupin says:
    November 14, 2015 at 2:01 am  (Quote)

    Re the Paris bombings. In case anyone wonders, we live about 600 kilometers to the south, so are physically unaffected.

    I just learned of this when I got up this (Saturday) morning when I bought my morning paper. Needless to say, it is quite a blow, but not unexpected. Only last week, the police arrested another terrorist who was planning to blow himself up at the Toulon Arsenal (Toulon is my home town). No matter how many they catch, it only takes one… I’m still processing…

  169. Daniel says:
    November 14, 2015 at 2:09 am  (Quote)

    Nancy R Owens:
    The offer’s there. Take it or leave it.

    I’ll leave it, of course.

    Out back, in the woodpile, where I leave the nigerian prince offers.

  170. Lupin says:
    November 14, 2015 at 2:52 am  (Quote)

    Keith:
    Note to Lupin:

    Here is hoping that you and your family and your friends are safe and well after the cowardly attacks in your homeland.

    Our thoughts are with you on this tragic day.

    And a personal note of thanks for your thoughts.

    Coincidentally last night we had a café philosophe meeting in my village; the night’s discussion theme was “revenge” — I can only hope that the French don’t yield to the same useless and dehumanizing impulses.

  171. Dave B. says:
    November 14, 2015 at 10:45 am  (Quote)

    Or use it as an excuse to attack a third party.

    Lupin: And a personal note of thanks for your thoughts.

    Coincidentally last night we had a café philosophe meeting in my village; the night’s discussion theme was “revenge” — I can only hope that the French don’t yield to the same useless and dehumanizing impulses.

  172. Dave B. says:
    November 14, 2015 at 11:36 am  (Quote)

    And then there’s Ted Cruz:
    http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/13/3722243/in-response-to-paris-ted-cruz-calls-for-airstrikes-with-more-tolerance-for-civilian-casualties/

    Lupin: And a personal note of thanks for your thoughts.

    Coincidentally last night we had a café philosophe meeting in my village; the night’s discussion theme was “revenge” — I can only hope that the French don’t yield to the same useless and dehumanizing impulses.

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cruz-any-president-who-doesnt-begin-every-day-his-knees-isnt-fit-be-commander-chief-nation

  173. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 14, 2015 at 1:38 pm  (Quote)

    Thank you for sharing. It’s an extremely important article which I would have added to a lot of other social media sites if I were given that option. PE only has a Twitter button.

    gorefan: Robert Laity also filed one according to Post and Email.

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2015/11/13/official-notice-of-dispute-filed-with-new-hampshire-attorney-general-on-four-presidential-candidates-eligibility/

  174. chancery says:
    November 14, 2015 at 1:38 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Interesting blog post from 2008 on Obama criticism:

    http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2008/10/great-moments-in-election-year-blogging.html

    Doc,

    Thanks for that reminder of Jon Swift’s fine and funny political commentary. His early death was a great loss.
    http://tomwatson.typepad.com/tom_watson/2010/03/a-death-in-the-blogging-family.html

  175. J.D. Sue says:
    November 14, 2015 at 3:52 pm  (Quote)

    Keith: Note to Lupin:

    Here is hoping that you and your family and your friends are safe and well after the cowardly attacks in your homeland.

    Our thoughts are with you on this tragic day.

    —-
    Yes, on such a night, one’s mind races to take stock of where all one’s loved ones are and indeed last night our dear Lupin came to mind. Good to hear from him today.

    Lupin, I’m sure I speak for many when I say all our hearts right now are with the French people.

  176. Reality Check says:
    November 14, 2015 at 4:48 pm  (Quote)

    Dr Deb posted this at BR:

    Am I the only one who no longer posts here as a result of the hacking by the Soros and fed tax funded Obots?
    BR, we are appreciative of all you do and we all miss posting here (and I speak for many birthers).
    We hope you shall ban these haters of the free enterprise system and our stolen freedoms.

    There is irony galore there. First she has continued to comment there including this one and two more after this one. Secondly, it was she who outed herself and not Soros and the tax funded Obots.

  177. Pete says:
    November 14, 2015 at 5:39 pm  (Quote)

    It doesn’t seem to me that thumbing through a poster’s publicly-posted past comments exactly rises to the level of “hacking.”

    But then birthers do have rather low standards for some things. Like “evidence,” as long as it’s supposed to be in support of whatever idiotic belief they want to hold.

  178. Northland10 says:
    November 14, 2015 at 7:42 pm  (Quote)

    Lupin: we live about 600 kilometers to the south, so are physically unaffected.

    Very well put. I am thankful you are safe.

  179. Pete says:
    November 14, 2015 at 9:04 pm  (Quote)

    J.D. Sue: Lupin, I’m sure I speak for many when I say all our hearts right now are with the French people.

    Yes.

  180. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 14, 2015 at 10:58 pm  (Quote)

    Maybe Dr. Deb’s PhD is in Whining.

    Pete: It doesn’t seem to me that thumbing through a poster’s publicly-posted past comments exactly rises to the level of “hacking.”

  181. Lupin says:
    November 15, 2015 at 3:17 am  (Quote)

    Re the Paris massacre.

    As often, the law of degrees of separation kicked in. I found out last night that a writer of my acquaintance — more a convention acquaintance than a close friend — was at the Bataclan during that tragic night.

    (During the earlier Charlie-Hebdo massacre, the artist Cabu was also a good acquaintance of mine.)

    Fortunately, she was near a safety exit and she and a number of other people were able to evacuate quickly without being harmed — physically at least, because I can’t imagine what she went through.

    The Paris authorities have set up counseling for what is obviously PTS and I hope she’ll avail herself of it.

    On a slightly-related note, I though Falcon’s bombastic blowhard pronouncements on the subject at GerbilReport were pretty nauseating; I had to figuratively bite my fingers to not respond. He also has zero understanding of the situation on the ground, but that’s not surprising.

  182. Lupin says:
    November 15, 2015 at 3:22 am  (Quote)

    Dave B.:
    And then there’s Ted Cruz:
    http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/13/3722243/in-response-to-paris-ted-cruz-calls-for-airstrikes-with-more-tolerance-for-civilian-casualties/

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cruz-any-president-who-doesnt-begin-every-day-his-knees-isnt-fit-be-commander-chief-nation

    While I completely understand the impulse some people don’t seem to grasp that the score of revenge is not:

    France (or US) – 1 dead / Muslim – 1 dead

    but

    Murders – 2 / Humanity – 0

    In fact a recent study published in the European Journal of Psychology shows that the majority of people who take vengeance for themselves do not feel better afterward, and take longer to recover than those who move on.

  183. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 15, 2015 at 9:56 am  (Quote)

    I’ll testify. Email me.

    Nancy R Owens:
    I chose 1. I really don’t want to keep playing Russia/Cuba’s game.

  184. donna says:
    November 15, 2015 at 10:24 am  (Quote)

    Pour Lupin:

    Le bel hommage en français de l’émission «Saturday Night Live» (vidéo)

    L’animatrice Cecily Strong a débuté par un discours en anglais et en français :

    « Paris, c’est la ville lumière et ici, à New York City, nous savons que cette lumière ne s’éteindra jamais. On vous envoie tout notre amour et soutien ce soir. Nous sommes de tout cœur avec vous ».

    http://www.lesoir.be/1043743/article/soirmag/actu-tele/2015-11-15/bel-hommage-en-francais-l-emission-saturday-night-live-video

  185. Lupin says:
    November 15, 2015 at 11:25 am  (Quote)

    donna:
    Pour Lupin:

    Le bel hommage en français de l’émission «Saturday Night Live» (vidéo)

    L’animatrice Cecily Strong a débuté par un discours en anglais et en français :

    « Paris, c’est la ville lumière et ici, à New York City, nous savons que cette lumière ne s’éteindra jamais. On vous envoie tout notre amour et soutien ce soir. Nous sommes de tout cœur avec vous ».

    http://www.lesoir.be/1043743/article/soirmag/actu-tele/2015-11-15/bel-hommage-en-francais-l-emission-saturday-night-live-video

    I saw it this morning on HuffPost. A wonderful tribute.

    There was this too:

    http://www.slate.fr/story/109987/aucun-pays-ne-profite-aussi-bien-de-la-vie-sur-terre-que-la-france-nyt

  186. donna says:
    November 15, 2015 at 12:16 pm  (Quote)

    Lupin:

    merci cent fois …. ça me fait pleurer pour toi et ton pays

  187. Pete says:
    November 15, 2015 at 1:46 pm  (Quote)

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Maybe Dr. Deb’s PhD is in Whining.

    It appears to be in Education, with a concentration in Whining. So it’s really a Whining Education degree, and she’s working hard to set an example online.

    Truly a dedicated professional.

  188. Pete says:
    November 15, 2015 at 1:49 pm  (Quote)

    donna: « Paris, c’est la ville lumière et ici, [en Amérique], nous savons que cette lumière ne s’éteindra jamais. On vous envoie tout notre amour et soutien ce soir. Nous sommes de tout cœur avec vous ».

    Hear, hear.

  189. charo says:
    November 15, 2015 at 2:12 pm  (Quote)

    Lupin: While I completely understand the impulse some people don’t seem to grasp that the score of revenge is not:

    France (or US) –1 dead / Muslim – 1 dead

    but

    Murders – 2 / Humanity – 0

    In fact a recent study published in the European Journal of Psychology shows that the majority of people who take vengeance for themselves do not feel better afterward, and take longer to recover than those who move on.

    First, the hearts of decent people are heavy concerning the sudden and violent loss of life in Paris. I don’t know that revenge is the the most accurate depiction. A vengeful heart is true for some, but in general, people want ISIS/ISIL stopped. There is a difference. I have friends with children in the military who will be affected if the U.S. gets involved, but the kids had their eyes wide open going in. One or both parents had military careers. They are not out for revenge, but to protect our country.

  190. Dr. Conspiracy says:
    November 15, 2015 at 7:07 pm  (Quote)

    I’ve been commented a good deal at BR of late. Here’s a bit from an exchange:

    JeffProv19_9 “When people use loaded phrases like ‘thoroughly debunked’ they are not reporting or giving you facts so you can evaluate and decide the merits for yourself. Rather, they are practicing a subtle form of mind control and telling you WHAT TO THINK,”

    Is that why birthers always say “conclusively proven” along with their claims that Obama’s birth certificate PDF is a fake?

    I make no secret of it: I choose the “thoroughly debunked” language as a conscious choice as a foil to the “conclusively proven” language. They both are attempts to persuade.

    However the substance of the argument, which doesn’t fit in a sentence that will be accessible to someone with the short attention span of the typical Internet browser, is that the PDF forgery theory HAS been thoroughly debunked by experimental results from a real piece of security paper with a BC image was scanned by a real Xerox machine and rotated by a real Mac using Preview, that produced the same sort of document, anomalies and all, that we see in the White House PDF.

    The REAL 1961 statistical reports from Hawaii show that the penciled code “9” is the correct value for the race of Obama’s father. Analysis of REAL known certificate numbers from August 1961 show that Obama’s is in alphabetic sequence like the rest.

    So while I use the words “thoroughly debunked” for impact and persuasion, they are absolutely

    Read more at http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/11/video-sheriff-arpaios-obama-id-fraud_12.html#AZgsoh6pTIiZbb0E.99

  191. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 16, 2015 at 12:47 pm  (Quote)

    That’s because Rondeau and ZulloMoore live/lived in the same town. I don’t think they want the MCCCP donations to dry up in light of the recent court events.

    I was a photojournalist in this same town and it’s newspaper is called the “Clewiston News.”

    http://theclewistonnews.com/

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Being a photo editor on a community college newspaper doesn’t make you a reporter.

    Pete:
    It does seem a bit odd to write an entire article on how there are no articles, instead of simply trying to interview Zullo and get an article.

    But, that’s the Poster for Efail for ya.

  192. Nancy R Owens says:
    November 17, 2015 at 10:58 am  (Quote)

    You should do what I did. Call them up and ask them.

    Mike Zullo is Mike Moore. I’ve outed someone who has over 40 years of botched investigations.

    I did this in the hopes that they would remove him as investigator and put in someone who could actually get the job done.

    How would I be wrong here? I don’t see it.

    Not to mention, someone who might be facing charges.

    If they claim they were just trying to protect, that is simply not true. The people that Mike ZulloMoore used to work for, and possibly still does, have a history of murdering off innocent people in favor of the drug cartels.

    That is illegal.

    http://www.liveleak.com/c/Nancy_Owens

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