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Arrested development: Bogus birther claims of threats to Zullo

Zullo freaks out

Carl Gallups said something on his Freedom Friday show last week that made me do a double take. Gallups was reading [14:08] from the motion filed by Zullo’s attorney Larry Klayman before the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals:

The Appellate Mike Zullo is not a party to this case, but was never the less threatened by the appellees and by the presiding judge, the Honorable G. Murray Snow, with criminal prosecution while being called as a deposition witness and a trial witness…. [whispering] It’s about the birth certificate folks … After the plaintiff’s, appellees, and Judge Snow’s repeated suggestions and not-very-subtle requests that criminal prosecution should be initiated to include criminal prosecution of Zullo, mentioning him explicitly by name….

Paraphrasing, Gallups then said:

Zullo freaked out and said, “look, you’re calling me as a witness to something that I don’t really even have a part in, and then you’re telling me,‘now get up on the stand and testify and soon as you open your mouth and we hear something we don’t like, we’re gonna put you under arrest!’” You can’t do that in America, folks!

imageNo, you can’t to that in America, Carl. So when does Klayman think this happened? He doesn’t say. His brief is devoid of quotations, dates and times—no specifics of any kind on this point. I’ve read the available court transcripts and excerpts, and Judge G. Murray Snow seemed to be extremely protective of Zullo’s rights. There weren’t any threats. There were no remarks about anybody arresting anyone. Zullo was required to answer just one single question in days of being on the stand, which was a follow-up to something he had previously said. Other than the follow-up, Zullo was allowed to pick and choose what he responded to.

I reached out to some other folks. One person who has access to the complete set of transcripts said that there is no basis in the transcripts for any claim of threats of arrest to Zullo. I asked someone who attended the hearing where Zullo testified, and he confirmed that he had no recollection of any such threat, but rather had the overall impression that the judge “bent over backwards” to respect Zullo’s rights.

So where does this come from? Did Klayman just flat out lie to the Circuit Court of Appeals? Has Klayman seen the transcripts? Is he relying on Zullo’s word? Would Klayman risk sanctions from the Court? Is Klayman telling a whopper the size of Texas? We have the answer to one of those questions: Klayman has not seen the transcripts because it says in his court filing that he was ordering the transcripts at the same time he made the filing.

Before Mike Zullo testified, he cited a plaintiffs footnote from an October 23 filing that talks about criminal prosecution of certain MCSO staff for possibly violating federal law in accepting classified documents from Montgomery. There is no mention of Zullo, but it is the item that Zullo seized upon early on as a basis for pleading the 5th amendment. The footnote says, in part,

Even more troubling, as the Court noted in a post-hearing status conference, the evidence indicates that Dennis Montgomery informed MCSO personnel—with Chief Deputy Sheridan’s knowledge—that he was using a database of information “harvested by the CIA and confiscated by him” in his investigation, and also purported to be tracking telephone calls between the Court, the Attorney General, the Assistant Attorney General, and the U. S. Attorney for the District of Arizona. Tr. of May 14 2015…. This implicates possible violations of federal criminal laws by MCSO personnel in the course of the MCSO-Montgomery investigation. [list of statutes follows]

It seems to me that that footnote is moot, since subsequent testimony made it abundantly clear that Montgomery never shared any confidential CIA data with MCSO (what he turned over was junk and a total fraud, the experts say), and this fact was known by Zullo before he testified. Not only was Zullo not “MCSO personnel” but that particular threat against them evaporated a month before in light of the evidence.

In any case, that footnote didn’t come from Judge Snow, and it does not mention Zullo “explicitly by name.” Indeed, it was raised only as a “possibility.” So where is the criminal threat against Zullo by Judge Snow coming from?

Here I can only speculate on convoluted birther reasoning. One possibility is the boiler plate form upon which the subpoena to Mike Zullo was written. The Subpoena states: “The following provisions of Fed. R. Civ. P. 45 are attached, … Rule 45(e) and (g), relating to your duty to respond to this subpoena and the potential consequences of not doing so.” [Emphasis added.] The consequences from Rule 45(g) listed on the subpoena are:

(g) Contempt. The court for the district where compliance is required—and also, after a motion is transferred, the issuing court—may hold in contempt a person who, having been served, fails without adequate excuse to obey the subpoena or an order related to it.

Ultimately the authority for the subpoena comes from Judge Snow, and Zullo could have been held in criminal contempt if he had failed to show up, and Zullo could have been subject to criminal prosecution if he lied on the stand.

Judge Snow also said that it is possible that non-parties might be referred for criminal prosecution, presumably MCSO staff who participated in obstructing the judge’s order; however, Zullo was never mentioned in this context, and as I pointed out before, the area of Zullo’s involvement with Montgomery’s alleged CIA data turned out to be false.

Ultimately my investigation shows that the entire criminal threat explicitly by name to Mike Zullo and from Judge G. Murray Snow is total bull.

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111 Responses to Arrested development: Bogus birther claims of threats to Zullo

  1. avatar
    bovril December 6, 2015 at 4:36 pm #

    “Did Klayman just flat out lie to the Circuit Court of Appeals?”

    FIFY

    Klayman just flat out lied to the Circuit Court of Appeals!

  2. avatar
    Bob December 6, 2015 at 5:18 pm #

    Klayman’s whole shtick is making inflammatory remarks couched in legal-ish-sounding language and then begging for money.

    He tickles the Wingnut pleasure center for a living.

  3. avatar
    Curious George December 6, 2015 at 5:39 pm #

    Doc,

    “Ultimately my investigation shows that the entire criminal threat explicitly by name to Mike Zullo and from Judge G. Murray Snow is total bull.”

    “Total bull,” just like A/Z’s birth certificate investimagination.

    “Total bull,” just like saying Mike Zullo is currently a sworn law enforcement peace officer.

    “Total bull,” just like they weren’t trying to develop a “bogus conspiracy” to discredit Judge Snow and his court.

    “Total bull,” just like birther claims that the Hawaii Verification of Birth for Barack Obama doesn’t prove that he was born in Hawaii.

    “Total bull,” just like Birthers claiming that Doc forged the birth certificate.

    “Total bull,” just like Birther claims that MB forged the birth certificate.

    “Total bull,” just like Birther claims that the “Universe Shattering” evidence will be exposed “any day now.”

    “Total bull,” just like every headline posted as “news”
    stories posted at BR.

    “Total bull,” is all they’ve got.

  4. avatar
    RanTalbott December 6, 2015 at 10:45 pm #

    If the judge concludes that part of the Seattle Operation was, in fact, an attempt to “dig up dirt” to intimidate him, that’s grounds for a criminal referral. Since Zullo was intimately involved, he could well be part of that referral.

    And one of the lawyers quoted in a Lemons article said that the eventually-discovered fact that the “stolen classified info” was fake is not a defense: just as with heroin and bazookas in sting operations, the fact that you think you’re buying the real thing makes it a crime. Prosecution is “highly unlikely”, but not “completely out of the question”. A realistic assessment of the risk is difficult when you’ve immersed yourself in a world of loony conspiracy theories for years.

  5. avatar
    Notorial Dissent December 7, 2015 at 10:42 am #

    I suspect that someone, or several someones may have point out to the Kommandant that if he didn’t show up for the depos or court he could and would be arrested, but i suspect that is the only direct threat made to him. Now I do think that the Judge’s comment about possible other parties being brought in on criminal charges hit home, even as stupid as Zullo is, I don’t think he’s quite that stupid, but then I could be wrong. Either way, I think it is safer to bet that Lyin’ Carl lied.

  6. avatar
    Reality Check December 7, 2015 at 11:44 am #

    I have always thought Zullo (and most Birthers) have a bad habit of telling lies so often they begin to believe them themselves. Zullo might have gotten a rude awakening when he read the plaintiffs’ footnote outlining the number of federal statutes that they may have broken while trying to “protect” Judge Snow.

  7. avatar
    Nancy R Owens December 7, 2015 at 1:05 pm #

    So, from what I’m to understand, somebody now has the supposed evidence collected by Mike ZulloMoore. Does this mean there’s a new investigator? If so, who is he/she?

  8. avatar
    Sam the Centipede December 7, 2015 at 1:27 pm #

    Nancy R Owens:
    So, from what I’m to understand, somebody now has the supposed evidence collected by Mike ZulloMoore. Does this mean there’s a new investigator? If so, who is he/she?

    As always with you Nancy, the simplest and correct explanation is that you do not understand.

    If you are referring to the birther fictions and the nonsense about forgery, there is nothing to investigate – except by psychologists researching with birthers have such idiotic fantasies.

  9. avatar
    Curious George December 7, 2015 at 1:41 pm #

    Notorial Dissent:

    ” Now I do think that the Judge’s comment about possible other parties being brought in on criminal charges hit home, even as stupid as Zullo is, I don’t think he’s quite that stupid, ”

    Guilty conscience? Doesn’t like the sound of the word “espionage”? Actually realized that he was believing his own fantasy? Remembered that HE was the one who brought Monty to Joe? Hmmm, it must not feel very good to be “Detective” Mike Zullo right about now.

  10. avatar
    Nancy R Owens December 7, 2015 at 2:07 pm #

    You might be able to BS the rest of the people who follow these birther/anti-birther blogs and don’t want to believe that this could happen. However, I am the forger and I know better.

    http://iforgedobamasbirthcertificates.weebly.com/

    Sam the Centipede: As always with you Nancy, the simplest and correct explanation is that you do not understand.

    If you are referring to the birther fictions and the nonsense about forgery, there is nothing to investigate – except by psychologists researching with birthers have such idiotic fantasies.

  11. avatar
    dunstvangeet December 7, 2015 at 3:10 pm #

    Please do not Feed the Troll!

  12. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 7, 2015 at 6:24 pm #

    No, Carl didn’t lie. He said that he was citing what Larry Klayman wrote in a motion to the 9th Circuit, and what he said is what Klayman wrote. He then paraphrased Klayman.

    So maybe Klayman lied, but Carl didn’t have the transcripts at that time, and had no way of knowing that what he said wasn’t true.

    Notorial Dissent: Either way, I think it is safer to bet that Lyin’ Carl lied.

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    Curious George December 7, 2015 at 9:34 pm #

    Doc,

    “So maybe Klayman lied, but Carl didn’t have the transcripts at that time, and had no way of knowing that what he said wasn’t true.”

    But Carl was told things were not quite up to snuff with his paraphrased comment he made during his show. Comments were made on the Carl Gallups Freedom Friday Facebook page to correct the errors, I’m told, and those comments have now been deleted. If this is true, it’s just the same as a lie, isn’t it?

  14. avatar
    Keith December 7, 2015 at 10:06 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: So maybe Klayman lied, but Carl didn’t have the transcripts at that time, and had no way of knowing that what he said wasn’t true.

    President Lincoln would beg to differ:

    I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him.

    Abraham Lincoln;
    letter to the Editor of the Lacon Illinois Gazette in Marshall County Illinois in 1846.

  15. avatar
    Curious George December 7, 2015 at 10:48 pm #

    Keith, excellent quote!

  16. avatar
    Notorial Dissent December 8, 2015 at 7:27 am #

    While it is possible that Lyin’ Carl got his information elsewhere, history tends to indicate the more likely option, he lied, that way he didn’t have to do any research, think, or read, now which is the more likely?.

    Curious George:
    Doc,

    “So maybe Klayman lied, but Carl didn’t have the transcripts at that time, and had no way of knowing that what he said wasn’t true.”

    But Carl was told things were not quite up to snuff with his paraphrased comment he made during his show. Comments were made on the Carl Gallups Freedom Friday Facebook page to correct the errors, I’m told, and those comments have now been deleted.If this is true, it’s just the same as a lie, isn’t it?

  17. avatar
    Curious George December 8, 2015 at 9:27 am #

    Doc,

    “Zullo freaks out”

    A news reporter wrote that he became “unhinged.” A very good description that applies to him and his birther worshippers. Unhinged!

  18. avatar
    Curious George December 8, 2015 at 9:35 am #

    “Zullo told attorney John Masterson he never intended to discredit Snow, but it was only when Young approached for re-direct that Zullo became unhinged.”

    http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/breaking/2015/11/12/posseman-says-joe-arpaio-didnt-order-inquiry/75661716/

  19. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 9, 2015 at 8:20 am #

    Birther Report now has a feature article on the Klayman motion before the Circuit Court. New commenter ZuluBravoTango has weighed in. He sounds like an attorney trying to dumb his style down so as not to appear to be an attorney.

  20. avatar
    Reality Check December 9, 2015 at 11:06 am #

    I agree. He seems to know a lot about the case.

    Dr. Conspiracy: . He sounds like an attorney trying to dumb his style down so as not to appear to be an attorney.

  21. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 9, 2015 at 1:14 pm #

    Speaking of Klayman’s motion to the Court of Appeals, I saw something in there that I didn’t notice the first time around:

    “The Movant-Appellant is ordering the transcripts contemporaneous with this motion.”

    Klayman is representing that HE doesn’t have the transcripts, and presumably hasn’t read them So is Zullo the source of the apocryphal threats of criminal prosecution and arrest?

    Reality Check: I agree. He seems to know a lot about the case.

  22. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 9, 2015 at 2:48 pm #

    This whole appeal thing seems to be something that benefits Arpaio, rather than Zullo. Could that be what’s really going on?

  23. avatar
    Jim December 9, 2015 at 3:06 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    This whole appeal thing seems to be something that benefits Arpaio, rather than Zullo. Could that be what’s really going on?

    KKKman and Arpaio using a dumb rube for their own personal gain? To say we saw this coming would be an understatement.

  24. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 9, 2015 at 3:28 pm #

    Something has bothered me from the start, and that is Zullo bringing up that footnote from a Plaintiff’s filing as a reason for pleading the 5th. . I find it hard to believe that Zullo has read every court filing in the Melendres case and found that on his own. Someone just about had to have shown that to him, and Klayman is on my short list.

    Jim: KKKman and Arpaio using a dumb rube for their own personal gain? To say we saw this coming would be an understatement.

  25. avatar
    Notorial Dissent December 9, 2015 at 5:17 pm #

    To assume that Lyin’ Carl and KKKlayman are lying is kind of like a toad breathing, they do. It’s a safe given.

  26. avatar
    The Magic M December 10, 2015 at 2:06 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Someone just about had to have shown that to him, and Klayman is on my short list.

    My bet is on Arpaio counsel. They’ve done everything short of actually representing him in court (even making objections on his behalf during his deposition, guised as “raising ethics concerns”), to the point where he actually believed they were representing him (though that may have been a delay tactic, too).

  27. avatar
    SFJEFF December 11, 2015 at 12:06 pm #

    Lupin: Maybe not, but what you did was pretty despicable, and you appear to exhibit no remorse whatsoever. You simply show no awareness or understanding that what you did was criminal — or in simpler words, evil. Instead, you continue to portray yourself as a victim, wrapped in words of self-righteousness.

    I just finished watching JESSICA JONES on Netflix, and David Tennant’s utterly brilliant portrayal of the narcissistic sociopath Killgrave, who just does not understand that what he did to Jessica was utterly wrong, and sees himself as her victim, is something that — on a much grander scale — echoes your own behavior here.

    Not to derail the thread(is there really anything to derail when it comes to a Judy thread?) but working my way through Jessica Jones- and Killgrave is the most evil villain I have yet seen portrayed on the small screen. My wife can’t even watch the series- and I have to give myself breaks because how evil Killgrave is really disturbs me- but I can’t keep myself away from the series so far.

  28. avatar
    bob December 11, 2015 at 4:18 pm #

    I know Judy loves to talk about himself, but to return to the article’s topic:

    Gallups is teasing for today’s episode of Freedom Friday that he has spoken to Zullo, and will convey more updates.

    I’m not exactly sure what there’s to update, as the only thing that happened this past week was that Gallups, Freedom Friday, PPS, got caught pilfering copies of the court transcript, and they (reluctantly) acknowledged their source.

  29. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 11, 2015 at 4:54 pm #

    CRJ thread hijack moved to the Open Thread.

  30. avatar
    CRJ December 11, 2015 at 5:28 pm #

    It truly is amazing to see Judge Snow has conducted a “conspiracy investigation” from the Bench based on an un named source from a News story instead of handing it over to an A.G. And found it was false.

    No wonder Lemons loves this guy.

    Wouldn’t it be a wild ride to see what the CIA has that the Main Stream Media seems gagged to Report on every other Judge in the Union?

    What do you suppose? The CIA is just filling in for the FBI? Helping them out ?

    P.S. IF the Government has learned, uncovered, found, or come into contact with any information in Melendres v. Arpaio ARIZONA Judge Snow (re: COLD CASE POSSEE Findings) beneficial or of interest to my Certiorari 14-9396 I pray the Government might assist or appoint as circumstances warrant a Special Prosecutor to assist my Case to the U.S. Supreme Court nothing of discovery being withheld to obstruct Justice.

    CRJ

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    bob December 11, 2015 at 6:06 pm #

    CRJ:
    It truly is amazing to see Judge Snow has conducted a “conspiracy investigation” from the Bench based on an un named source from a News story instead of handing it over to an A.G.

    Except that never happened. The plaintiffs moved for sanctions; they are prosecuting the case.

    You would think Judy would know from his own experience that judges don’t investigate.

    And found it was false.

    Judy can’t even get that correct: substantial evidence shows that Arpaio was inventing a conspiracy involving the judge.

    Wouldn’t it be a wild ride to see what the CIA has that the Main Stream Media seems gagged to Report on every other Judge in the Union?

    Judy’s paranoid speculation is not backed by any evidence.

    IF the Government has learned, uncovered, found, or come into contact with any information in Melendres v. Arpaio ARIZONA Judge Snow (re: COLD CASE POSSEE Findings) beneficial or of interest to my Certiorari 14-9396 I pray the Government might assist or appoint as circumstances warrant a Special Prosecutor to assist my Case to the U.S. Supreme Court nothing of discovery being withheld to obstruct Justice.

    “If” is still doing all of the work.

    But to assure Judy: There is no beneficial information, Judy’s case is over, there is no obstruction of justice, and no special prosecutor will be appointed.

    Judy should move on with his life.

  32. avatar
    bob December 11, 2015 at 6:10 pm #

    Gallups on “Freedom Friday” spun Rondeau’s latest article, which itself was a spin of the court’s transcripts.

    Nothing new, especially if you’ve read the transcripts.

  33. avatar
    Slartibartfast December 11, 2015 at 11:10 pm #

    Apparently it didn’t take.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    CRJ thread hijack moved to the Open Thread.

  34. avatar
    gorefan December 12, 2015 at 1:01 am #

    bob:
    Gallups on “Freedom Friday” spun Rondeau’s latest article, which itself was a spin of the court’s transcripts.

    Nothing new, especially if you’ve read the transcripts.

    Gallups mention Monty turning 600 million private records over to the FBI as part of the product immunity. Klayman said in a motion that there were 47 hard drives with 51.6 million files consisting of 600 million pages turned over to the FBI.

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    RanTalbott December 12, 2015 at 4:28 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Klayman is representing that HE doesn’t have the transcripts, and presumably hasn’t read them

    This is reminiscent of Zullo’s BC investimagination: conclusion first, evidence later.

    “Movant-Appellant asks the Court to intervene because Judge Snow was rilly, rilly naughty during the hearings. We can’t tell you exactly what he did that was so bad, because we haven’t done an investigation yet. But we’re sure we’ll find something by the time the appeal is heard. Definitely. No doubt about it.”

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    Notorial Dissent December 12, 2015 at 6:52 am #

    I still want to know what kind and how big those hard drives supposedly were, since I don’t believe a word of what Montgomery or KKKlayman have said about them so far. I think they are both lying through their teeth.

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    Reality Check December 12, 2015 at 9:10 am #

    Gallups show didn’t even rate a mention at BR. Have they given up on poor Lyin’ Carl?

    I am going to speculate here and I have nothing concrete to back it up but I wonder if Carl got tired of BR Bob stealing his content and putting out his own YouTube videos?

    Last week BR said they were not posting the usual YouTube version of Carl’s show due to “technical difficulties”. I thought that sounded odd since all you need is a PC and a video editing program to do what BR does. I know Carl is always bragging about number of people who stream his show and visit his PPSimmons website. Maybe Carl finally got tiered of BR getting the YoutTube views on his shows. Also, the Gerbils have grown more and more critical of Carl’s empty promises.

  38. avatar
    CRJ December 12, 2015 at 9:54 am #

    The conspiracy theory that Snow investigated from the Bench involved Lemon’s Report about him involving an unnamed source.

    This really is a wild Ride!

    Montegomery an actual CIA Agent, not a pretended one, he worked for them, goes rogue. Shows evidence of many high profile Arizona Political and Goverment Persons [including Snow] of being hacked by the CIA.

    Approached Arpiao [first] as a high profile Law Enforcement Agent with interest in the fabricated or fabrication of said Obama long form birth certificate.

    Arpiao encourages him to come to the FBI through Zullo .. Monty doesn’t want to because he’s loathe to do it again, but conceeds.

    FBI actually gives Montegomery immunity!

    That evidence points to a fact Montegomery had the goods. It might be junk as far as Melendez interest, but it still points to the CIA attempting or tapping illegally these High Profile Government And Elected Officials. . with a few low profile citizens thrown in to cover real high profile personally tracks.

    Amazing ..conspiracy theory that provides evidence the CIA is doing Domestic Investigations against protocol and really FBI Jurisdiction locally.

    FBI can’t really be happy to see this but it certainly gives reason for justification of Montegomery’s [HOT] FBI immunity.

    The failure of SNOW’s investigation from the Bench is that he holds up Lemon’s story from the Az Newspaper and says “Is it True?”.. And then proceeds to find out, with regards to liability in Arpaio’s Case w Melendez it’s actually concern for Snow everyone has and they properly refered and bring in the FBI.

    (?) What’s missing is reasons [political] for CIA to have its nose so far up Domestic Political Figures.

    That seems to point to either a paranoid Obama or an interest in futures and blackmaling possibilities. Really starts to look Nixonian Watergatish.

  39. avatar
    CRJ December 12, 2015 at 10:11 am #

    Why the CIA? Well, these ties tracing Obama from the CIA recruited from Occidental College are pretty well known. Obama’s trips to Pakistan with his early Religeous background and foreign language and dialect savy made Obama very useful in the CIA ops for Afghanistan in the interest of Osama bin Laden.

    Those CIA ties are pretty tight right?

    I think what this does show in the interest of Montegomery working for the CIA and going to the FBI is Political Blackmale is rampant in the USA.

    I would like to know what justifications the CIA has for itself in producing the product Montegomery gave the FBI.

    WHERE is the Media’s story on that?

  40. avatar
    CRJ December 12, 2015 at 11:05 am #

    Lemon’s article bears fruit. When Judge Snow asks Arpaio if he’s conducting investigation on Judge Snow and Arpaio says “No” and then Judge Snow pulls the [Investigation] from the Bench of the Seattle operation involving former CIA operative Montegomery given immunity by FBI, was Arpaio telling the truth, or trying to deceive the Court?

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/joe-arpaio-accused-of-deception-under-oath-by-federal-judge-7840164

    The obvious answer is where did Montgomery’s Evidence start? Did it start with Arpaio hiring Montgomery? No.

    It started with Montgomery coming to Arpaio with evidence the FBI figured significant enough from the CIA to give Montegomery immunity for.

    That investigation originated from the CIA. Was Arpaio telling the truth in his statement to the Court in saying “No”? Yes, because it seems the CIA started the investigation.

    Was Arpaio investigating the investigation of the CIA that the FBI found credible enough to give Montegomery immunity over ?

    If you call bringing in the FBI being part of a larger investigation into the CIA a investigation “Yes”.

    So, Snow’s questionable assertion is; a Sheriff is deceiving the Court when first approached by a CIA INFORMANT given apparent FBI Jurisdiction and properly referring it to the FBI, is guilty when he says it wasn’t my investigation in the first place, but rather the CIA’s ?

    Now.., that’s a fine [Thank You] to the Sheriff. ?

    It really appears to me Sheriff Joe is pretty dog gone tight lipped. That’s years of practice as a Sheriff.

    And it also could be a little of just his personality as an 80 year old gentleman understanding that the Trust of all law enforcement is on the table CIA, FBI, Sheriff local law enforcement, Federal District Court.

    That’s a mighty big load to have on the Stand.

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    gorefan December 12, 2015 at 11:12 am #

    Reality Check: Gallups show didn’t even rate a mention at BR. Have they given up on poor Lyin’ Carl?

    IMO Nelson is away for a few days. He’ll get caught up probably next week.

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    gorefan December 12, 2015 at 11:22 am #

    CRJ: I would like to know what justifications the CIA has for itself in producing the product Montegomery gave the FBI.

    What evidence do you have that they did produce anything like whjat Montgomery is claiming?

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    bob December 12, 2015 at 12:46 pm #

    CRJ:
    The conspiracy theory that Snow investigated from the Bench involved Lemon’s Report about him involving an unnamed source.

    Again, IN THE UNITED STATES, JUDGES DO NOT INVESTIGATE. It is conspiracy theory to suggest that the judge was conducting an investigation.

    Montegomery an actual CIA Agent

    Montgomery was never a CIA agent; he was a contractor. Who is widely considered to be a fraud.

    Shows evidence of many high profile Arizona Political and Goverment Persons [including Snow] of being hacked by the CIA.

    “Evidence” described by Arpaio as “junk.”

    Arpiao encourages him to come to the FBI through Zullo

    No evidence that occurred.

    FBI actually gives Montegomery immunity!

    In another case, Montgomery was given immunity for the act of giving the FBI his hard drives. That’s it. An act Montgomery did to place the hard drives out of the reach of those litigants and the judge presiding over that case.

    That evidence points to a fact Montegomery had the goods.

    There’s no evidence to support that conclusion; even Arpaio thinks Montgomery has “junk.”

    It might be junk as far as Melendez interest, but it still points to the CIA attempting or tapping illegally these High Profile Government And Elected Officials.

    There’s no evidence that the data isn’t junk. It actually points to a con man fleecing the MCSO.

    conspiracy theory that provides evidence the CIA is doing Domestic Investigations against protocol and really FBI Jurisdiction locally.

    Except there is no evidence that anyone is doing any spying.

    FBI can’t really be happy to see this but it certainly gives reason for justification of Montegomery’s [HOT] FBI immunity.

    The limited immunity was related to Montgomery giving up his hard drives, and nothing else.

    The failure of SNOW’s investigation from the Bench

    There was no investigation from the bench.

    What’s missing is reasons [political] for CIA to have its nose so far up Domestic Political Figures.

    Except there’s no evidence that this actually happened.

    That seems to point to either a paranoid Obama or an interest in futures and blackmaling possibilities. Really starts to look Nixonian Watergatish.

    Except there’s no evidence to support such paranoia.

    CRJ:
    Why the CIA?

    There’s no evidence the CIA was involved.

    Well, these ties tracing Obama from the CIA recruited from Occidental College are pretty well known.

    There’s no evidence the CIA ever recruited President Obama.

    Obama’s trips to Pakistan with his early Religeous background and foreign language and dialect savy made Obama very useful in the CIA ops for Afghanistan in the interest of Osama bin Laden.

    There’s no evidence that President Obama’s college trip was a CIA operation.

    Those CIA ties are pretty tight right?

    There are no CIA ties.

    I think what this does show in the interest of Montegomery working for the CIA and going to the FBI is Political Blackmale is rampant in the USA.

    Except none of that happened.

    I would like to know what justifications the CIA has for itself in producing the product Montegomery gave the FBI.

    The CIA never produced anything; Montgomery made it all up.

    WHERE is the Media’s story on that?

    The media doesn’t report on conspiracy theories that are whole-cloth fantasies.

    CRJ:
    Lemon’s article bears fruit. When Judge Snow asks Arpaio if he’s conducting investigation on Judge Snow and Arpaio says “No” and then Judge Snow pulls the [Investigation] from the Bench of the Seattle operation involving former CIA operative Montegomery given immunity by FBI, was Arpaio telling the truth, or trying to deceive the Court?

    AGAIN, THERE IS NO INVESTIGATION FROM THE BENCH.

    As there’s ample evidence that Arpaio was investigating the judge, Arpaio was trying to deceive the court.

    The obvious answer is where did Montgomery’s Evidence start?

    It begins — and ends — with Montgomery’s imagination.

    It started with Montgomery coming to Arpaio with evidence the FBI figured significant enough from the CIA to give Montegomery immunity for.

    Montgomery was given immunity only for the act of producing the hard drives.

    That investigation originated from the CIA.

    That’s what Montgomery peddled, but that didn’t actually happen.

    Was Arpaio telling the truth in his statement to the Court in saying “No”? Yes, because it seems the CIA started the investigation.

    As there was no investigation, Arpaio was lying.

    Was Arpaio investigating the investigation of the CIA that the FBI found credible enough to give Montegomery immunity over ?

    Arpaio may have started down that road, but he abandoned it when he realized all Montgomery had was junk. And Montgomery was provided immunity only for the act of coughing up his hard drives.

    If you call bringing in the FBI being part of a larger investigation into the CIA a investigation “Yes”.

    The FBI was brought in by Montgomery only to frustrate separate litigation.

    So, Snow’s questionable assertion

    Snow has made no assertions.

    a Sheriff is deceiving the Court when first approached by a CIA INFORMANT given apparent FBI Jurisdiction and properly referring it to the FBI,is guilty when he says it wasn’t my investigation in the first place, but rather the CIA’s ?

    As there was no CIA investigation, then, yes, Arpaio deceived the court.

    It really appears to me Sheriff Joe is pretty dog gone tight lipped. That’s years of practice as a Sheriff.

    Other than Arpaio’s extensive testimony, and the testimony of others who had discussed all this with Arpaio, then, sure.

    And it also could be a little of just his personality as an 80 year old gentleman understanding that the Trust of all law enforcement is on the table CIA, FBI, Sheriff local law enforcement, Federal District Court.

    It shows Arpaio has an unusual combination of vindictiveness and gullibility. And an amazing lack of common sense that has cost the taxpayers millions of dollars.

  44. avatar
    CRJ December 12, 2015 at 2:16 pm #

    @Gorfin [What evidence do you have that they did produce anything like whjat Montgomery is claiming?]

    The Federal Court Records [Sealed info] from known CIA Contractor Montgomery who received FBI Immunity exist.

    The concern production of [documents Immunity ] given by the FBI would not come by blowing smoke, and it also matter of fact raised eyebrows of Zullo. . he said he hoped it wasn’t true.

    Universe Shattering Yes!
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sed_Jcbth5I

    Of course we can’t see the “Junk” to the reference of [Melendres Case] , because It is sealed, we can assume one man’s junk is another man’s treasure!

    Snow’s assertions are reported in Lemon’s Article

  45. avatar
    bob December 12, 2015 at 2:25 pm #

    The Federal Court Records [Sealed info] from known CIA Contractor Montgomery who received FBI Immunity exist.

    The records exist, but they do not contain what Judy claims they contain.

    The concern production of [documents Immunity ] given by the FBI would not come by blowing smoke, and it also matter of fact raised eyebrows of Zullo. . he said he hoped it wasn’t true.

    What Zullo believed is irrelevant (and he’s a gullible idiot). Judy is clearly blowing smoke because he doesn’t know that Montgomery’s very limited immunity was granted in August of this year, well after the Seattle operation had been shut down.

    Universe Shattering Yes!
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sed_Jcbth5I

    Instead of relying on Gallups paraphrasing Rondeau’s reading of the transcripts, I read them for myself. Gallups’ and Rondeau’s spins are inaccurate, to say the least.

    Of course we can’t see the “Junk” to the reference of [Melendres Case] , because It is sealed, we can assume one man’s junk is another man’s treasure!

    Judy doesn’t explain why such an assumption can be made, who this hypothetical other person is, or the relevance that a fortune cookie may have to Arpaio’s woes.

    Snow’s assertions are reported in Lemon’s Article

    Snow made no assertions. Lemons’ assertions — that Arpaio was investigating the judge — have generally been borne out by the evidence actually presented in court.

  46. avatar
    CRJ December 12, 2015 at 2:29 pm #

    The evidence of Zullo bringing in Klayman for DC Judge to oversee FBI IMMUNITY is really heavy.

    That happened.. Shake & Bake! Wow!

    Assertion Judge Snow [the judge.

    “He has not been fully forthcoming with this court,” declared Snow on Friday, later adding that Arpaio’s answers and those of MCSO Chief Deputy Jerry Sheridan[ raised the question] of “whether they are trying to deceive this court.”]

  47. avatar
    bob December 12, 2015 at 2:43 pm #

    CRJ:
    The evidence of Zullo bringing in Klayman for DC Judge to oversee FBI IMMUNITY is really heavy.

    That happened.

    Judy is piecing together two different events.

    Zullo, Klayman, and Montgomery met with Lamberth in October 2014. Montgomery’s limited immunity was granted in August 2015 in an entirely different case that did not involve Lamberth.

    Assertion Judge Snow [the judge.

    “He has not been fully forthcoming with this court,” declared Snow on Friday

    So the assertion is that the judge thinks Arpaio is a liar. The judge is trying to figure the appropriate rememdy for Arpaio’s contempt. From Lemon’s article:

    Arpaio said it was “not true,” and when Snow asked if Arpaio was aware of anyone investigating Snow or his activities, Arpaio replied, “No, no.”

    Then, several weeks later, Arpaio, Snow said, “gets back on the stand and acknowledges he was aware” that the investigation involved the judge.

    * * *

    Snow also referred to statements made by Arpaio, “filed under penalty of perjury,” to the effect that the MCSO was not investigating him.

    * * *

    Snow countered that Arpaio had received both timelines and a flowchart of the alleged conspiracy created by Montgomery, and the latter document “said I was the one who authorized [a] wiretap” targeting the MCSO. In fact, Snow has never authorized such a wiretap.

    Sure sounds like Arpaio was lying to the court. Which will affect what weight (if any) the judge places on Arpaio’s testimony (and the testimony of others), as well as possible sanctions.

  48. avatar
    CRJ December 12, 2015 at 2:49 pm #

    One thing for certain is Birthers before this case did not have any evidence that the CIA and FBI and Federal Court’s had any official information about Obama’s long form fabulous Forum but this Melendres Case certainly is what I conceive as the Iceburg the Titanic just ran into.

    No, we don’t have all the answers, but the story is not over either. . and we have the conceptions who have entered the stage who were not really there before.

    Of course it would take another Case to put it together, but that could very easily come in a Congressional Hearing with revelations made in this Federal Case.

    We should all welcome such.. No?

    CIA WB getsFBI Immunity FedCrtRecrd CIA HarvestDomestic V.I.P DATA @politico #Birther #Blackmale @HouseJudiciary
    https://t.co/DWWPyqxP9O

    Congress could have a looksy at that Sealed Info real quick and summon testimony from the CIA and FBI

  49. avatar
    Slartibartfast December 12, 2015 at 2:59 pm #

    Mr. Judy,

    No. None of us should welcome such a frivolous and idiotic waste of time when we face serious problems which were not invented out of whole cloth by hateful and ignorant bigots.

    Just my opinion.

    CRJ: We should all welcome such.. No?

  50. avatar
    bob December 12, 2015 at 3:03 pm #

    CRJ:
    One thing for certain is Birthers before this case did not have any evidence that the CIA and FBI and Federal Court’s had any official information about Obama’s long form fabulous Forum but this Melendres Case certainly is what I conceive as the Iceburg the Titanic just ran into.

    Judy conceives wrong because there is still no evidence of any forgery, just the junk being peddled by conmen and their marks.

    No, we don’t have all the answers, but the story is not over either. .

    Any day now!

    we have the conceptions who have entered the stage who were not really there before.

    Except Judy has completely misconceived who did what, and when.

    We do have evidence of the MCSO’s all-too-willing acceptance of con man’s junk, leading the MCSO to make some really dumb, really bad choices. For which the taxpayers will pick up the bill.

    Of course it would take another Case to put it together, but that could very easily come in a Congressional Hearing with revelations made in this Federal Case.

    There will be no congressional hearings, as all this case is proven is that Arpaio is a terrible leader.

    We should all welcome such.. No?

    Why would any welcome a pointless waste of resources based on nothing but a fantasy?

  51. avatar
    CRJ December 12, 2015 at 3:08 pm #

    @Slartibartfast Repect your opinion Hat-Tip to you. That was kind of my feeling about Judge Snow opening his investigation from an unnamed source in a newspaper clipping that led to what we call the Seattle Slew CCP now months in the process and millions of dollars burdening Maricopa County Tax Payers.. As Doc related.

    However, and I would assure you that to rest here with the blackmale tenicles hanging over our Elected Officials heads serves us no purpose in ANY OTHER pressing problem or concern.

    We just cannot have that Politically Corrupt Titan in our Government. Justice for All my friend.

    Has anyone seen Bob? He seems to have evidence no one else has about Congresses Future. Weird?

  52. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 12, 2015 at 3:18 pm #

    I think that honor goes to Orly Taitz because the only legal proof of Obama’s birth in Hawaii to appear before a court was the original verification document submitted in Taitz v. Mississippi Democrat Party.

    CRJ: One thing for certain is Birthers before this case did not have any evidence that the CIA and FBI and Federal Court’s had any official information about Obama’s long form fabulous Forum but this Melendres Case certainly is what I conceive as the Iceburg the Titanic just ran into.

  53. avatar
    CRJ December 12, 2015 at 3:27 pm #

    @Doc [ I think that honor goes to Orly Taitz]

    Any Honor Doc gives Mrs. Taitz is one most likely well deserved.

    I like her hair and accent. . you should have heard the screaming fight I got into with her about “Standing” OMG That was Exciting! That was a Movie Scene I’ll tell you. Lol

  54. avatar
    Arthur B. December 12, 2015 at 3:35 pm #

    CRJ: Any Honor Doc gives Mrs. Taitz is one most likely well deserved.

    I have to guess that Doc’s tongue was tucked well into his cheek when he awarded that honor.

    While Taitz deserves full credit for initiating those proceedings, the actual submission of the Letter of Verification was made by the attorneys for the opposing Party.

  55. avatar
    bob December 12, 2015 at 3:40 pm #

    CRJ:
    @Slartibartfast Repect your opinion Hat-Tip to you. That was kind of my feeling about Judge Snow opening his investigation

    JUDGE SNOW DID NOT OPEN AN INVESTIGATION.

    millions of dollars burdening Maricopa County Tax Payers.

    Which is entirely Arpaio’s fault.

    However, and I would assure you that to rest here with the blackmale tenicles hanging over our Elected Officials heads serves us no purpose in ANY OTHER pressing problem or concern.

    First, it is “blackmail”; and there’s no evidence anyone is being blackmailed.

    We just cannot have that Politically Corrupt Titan in our Government.

    The evidence from this case shows the only corrupt politician is Arpaio.

    He seems to have evidence no one else has about Congresses Future.

    Birthers have been unsuccessfully demanding investigations for seven years. It is a safe bet to assume they will be continue to be disappointed.

  56. avatar
    bob December 12, 2015 at 3:42 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I think that honor goes to Orly Taitz because the only legal proof of Obama’s birth in Hawaii to appear before a court was the original verification document submitted in Taitz v. Mississippi Democrat Party.

    President Obama’s birth certificate also was entered into evidence in the Georgia ballot challenge.

  57. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 12, 2015 at 3:56 pm #

    According to FBI statements in the Montgomery v. Risen lawsuit, the FBI hasn’t gone through the Montgomery hard drives, and they don’t know what is on them. The FBI granted production immunity before Montgomery produced anything, so one cannot draw the conclusion that immunity implies that the FBI thinks there was anything of use on the hard drives.

    I have no reason to believe that the dozens hard drives Montgomery gave the FBI were any different in value than the dozens of hard drives Montgomery gave Arpaio. The only difference is that Arpaio had someone look at his, and the FBI apparently hasn’t done the same with theirs.

    Klayman’s argument in Risen is ludicrous, saying that Montgomery cannot produce his “software” to see if it is junk in the defamation suit because he gave everything to the FBI, while at the same time saying that he is not representing that what he gave the FBI contains the software.

    CRJ: The concern production of [documents Immunity ] given by the FBI would not come by blowing smoke, and it also matter of fact raised eyebrows of Zullo. . he said he hoped it wasn’t true.

  58. avatar
    CRJ December 12, 2015 at 4:17 pm #

    @Bob [First, it is “blackmail”; and there’s no evidence anyone is being blackmailed.]

    No, I think there is evidence.. At least circumstansual. This [blackmail] was actual the very dear concern of the Honorable Judge Snow in the first place.

    His investigation that begin in holding up Lemon’s Article in the Court Room and looking at the Plaintiff’s Attorneys and shouting, ” Is it TRUE?” , I suspect was received as an Order to “DIG DEEP!”

    Certainly the many objection flags were set up.. In fact just as fast as the Defense could lead the pursuing plaintiffs demolition through them, but they got the “ALL CLEAR” sign on their payday candy bars Maricopa County’s credit card would be billed by Honorable Snow which is billed as the CCP INVESTIGATION side bar Obama’s long form presents as interest to us all.

    Maybe for different reasons.. But let’s all face it. We either want to know what the Universe Shattering evidence is, or we want Sheriff Joe officiating that investigation burned. You can decide which one you want.

    I’m not that keen on old men burning.

    Getting back to blackmail. The interest of Judge Snow Was rooted in the presumed circumstance Arpaio would investigate him in the interest of blackmail. . or a sacrifice of justice.

    That perked all your ears up. But now, with what’s known you all see, wait you don’t want to see the other high Profile Elected Officials whose calls had been data mined, or whose bank accounts had been scoped out?

    What the hell is wrong with that sick picture?

    That just proves your on a witch and whorelock hunt right? Your not interested in “Justice for all” U.S. Citizens?

    Bugs the ticks in my hide up. .but it is revelatory.

    Who here wants their Elected Officials and Judges blackmailed? Raise your hands?

  59. avatar
    CRJ December 12, 2015 at 4:25 pm #

    @Doc [According to FBI statements in the Montgomery v. Risen lawsuit, the FBI hasn’t gone through the Montgomery hard drives,]

    I just do not believe I could walk in to the FBI and say, ” Excuse me, I’d like “document immunity” and receive it out-of-hand Doc.

    I really think I’d have to show something to earn it . I could be way off base, but if I am the FBI are pasties on strippers boobs too.

    I just don’t buy they saw nothing to warrant it. Of course they didn’t go through 600 Million Docs.. But the Courts having to release a few thousand emails of HRC’s too at a time.

    They reserve that right before the public.

  60. avatar
    Arthur B. December 12, 2015 at 4:30 pm #

    CRJ: But let’s all face it. We either want to know what the Universe Shattering evidence is, or we want Sheriff Joe officiating that investigation burned. You can decide which one you want.

    That’s a silly false dichotomy.

    I think it’s safe to say that everyone here would like to see what is being trumpeted as “Universe Shattering evidence,” though I also think that most of us believe that it simply doesn’t exist. Do you have a theory as to why those who claim to have it have not presented it in any forum?

    The question of whether Arpaio has committed crimes for which he should be punished is a separate issue, one currently playing out in the public arena.

  61. avatar
    bob December 12, 2015 at 4:38 pm #

    CRJ:
    No, I think there is evidence.. At least circumstansual. This [blackmail] was actual the very dear concern of the Honorable Judge Snow in the first place.

    Judy sees evidence that no one else does. The judge was actually concerned that Arpaio was violating the judge’s orders, and, later, concerned that Arpaio was lying to the court.

    His investigation that begin in holding up Lemon’s Article in the Court

    A judge asking a question is not an investigation; no need for dramatics.

    and shouting, ” Is it TRUE?”

    “Shouting”? Really? More dramatic embellishments from Judy.

    I suspect was received as an Order to “DIG DEEP!”

    Judy’s suspicions are not evidence.

    Certainly the many objection flags were set up.. In fact just as fast as the Defense could lead the pursuing plaintiffs demolition through them, but they got the “ALL CLEAR” sign on their payday candy bars Maricopa County’s credit card would be billed by Honorable Snow which is billed as the CCP INVESTIGATION side bar Obama’s long form presents as interest to us all.

    Judy’s famous word salad, which makes no sense.

    It is Arpaio’s refusal to comply with court’s orders that led to the plaintiffs seeking contempt sanction against Arpaio. Which left the county on the hook for Arpaio’s bad behavior. The blame lies entirely with Arpaio, not the plaintiffs (or the judge).

    We either want to know what the Universe Shattering evidence is, or we want Sheriff Joe officiating that investigation burned. You can decide which one you want.

    There is no universe-shattering evidence; you should stop listening to con men. And no one wants Arpaio literally burned.

    The interest of Judge Snow Was rooted in the presumed circumstance Arpaio would investigate him in the interest of blackmail. . or a sacrifice of justice.

    Arpaio trying subvert the court certainly would be an injustice that should be fixed.

    But now, with what’s known you all see, wait you don’t want to see the other high Profile Elected Officials whose calls had been data mined, or whose bank accounts had been scoped out?

    There’s no evince that anyone’s data was mined; you really should stop listening to con men.

    What the hell is wrong with that sick picture?

    The sick picture that doesn’t exist in reality?

    That just proves your on a witch and whorelock hunt right? Your not interested in “Justice for all” U.S. Citizens?

    Whorelock? That’s a new one, even for me.

    It isn’t a witchhunt when actual evidence shows actual wrongdoing. Justice for all citizens is achieved by punishing actual wrongdoers.

    Bugs the ticks in my hide up. .but it is revelatory.

    The ticks in your hide are bugged by baseless accusations that were peddled by con men? And not by the con men peddling them?

    Who here wants their Elected Officials and Judges blackmailed?

    No one wants officials blackmailed; there’s no evidence that any officials are being blackmailed.

    CRJ:
    I just do not believe I could walk in to the FBI and say, ” Excuse me, I’d like “document immunity” and receive it out-of-hand Doc.

    It was production immunity, and Montgomery claimed he had data stolen (by him) from the CIA.

    I just don’t buy they saw nothing to warrant it.

    What Judy doesn’t buy is his concern alone.

    But the Courts having to release a few thousand emails of HRC’s too at a time.

    Which has nothing to do with Arpaio, Zullo, or Montgomery.

  62. avatar
    CRJ December 12, 2015 at 4:47 pm #

    This is an Interesting Article on FBI DOCUMENT IMMUNITY and one which clearly extolls the precautions taken by Zullo, Klayman, FBI, and D.C. Judge

    XXXX got very lucky; his failure to take precautions could have been disastrous. This is a textbook lesson of the importance of documenting immunity deals, both in terms of the deal itself and any claim of breach. Verbal grants of immunity and undocumented breaches create uncertainty. Immunity deals are common in cases involving white-collar crime. Promises of leniency in exchange for cooperation are key to many such prosecutions. The prosecution’s inexplicable failure to disclose the cooperation agreement to Mark’s trial counsel is also troubling. Finally, the government’s failure to document an alleged breach — when that breach is the only thing that permitted prosecution — is equally dumbfounding.

    http://www.brownwhitelaw.com/the-fair-administration-of-federal-criminal-law-the-importance-of-documenting-immunity-agreements/

    @Arthur B [I think it’s safe to say that everyone here would like to see what is being trumpeted as “Universe Shattering evidence,” though I also think that most of us [believe] that it simply doesn’t exist.]

    Understand, what your saying. That belief also rests in unfettered justice. An adjudication of honorable and transparent truth.

    The article shows you that doesn’t always exist in High Positions. In this case of course Hawaii Officials, one whose dead now.

  63. avatar
    bob December 12, 2015 at 5:02 pm #

    CRJ:
    This is an Interesting Article on FBI DOCUMENT IMMUNITY and one which clearly extolls the precautions taken by Zullo, Klayman, FBI, and D.C. Judge

    The articles describes a different kind of immunity than what happened in Arpaio’s case. And Lamberth (the D.C. judge) was not involved in the limited immunity that was granted to Montgomery.

    But, otherwise, yes, an interesting article. That is almost entirely unrelated to Arpaio’s woes.

    In this case of course Hawaii Officials, one whose dead now.

    There is no evidence that Fuddy (or anyone else) did anything wrong. But Judy’s baseless attack on an innocent person who died tragically further shows his utter lack of character.

  64. avatar
    CRJ December 12, 2015 at 5:11 pm #

    The Hillary Rodham Clinton Email Scandal is indeed a current event related to the TIME FACTOR that Government and it’s Agencies and Courts can be expected to comb through mountains of evidence.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/12/state-department-finds-1300-new-records-on-anwar-al-awlaki-216697

    This as it relates to the FBI’s abilities to comb through 600 Million Docs or Bits of info related to Melendes v. Arpaio which of course is reported as not being accomplished.

    Guess it was Bob who named the innocent person tragically killed who also had recently had an unusual 50K credit added to her mortgage the issuance of which remain a mystery as Will her testimony that had been requested by subpoena.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-controversy/2013/12/prior-to-her-death-fuddy-tried-to-reach-out-to-larry-fenton-resident-of-hi-who-assisted-taitz-and-served-fuddy-with-subpoena-and-pleadings-from-2472158.html

  65. avatar
    Arthur B. December 12, 2015 at 5:18 pm #

    CRJ: Understand, what your saying. That belief [that the universe-shattering evidence doesn’t exist] also rests in unfettered justice.

    Hardly. It rests in the fact, for one reason or another, the much-touted evidence has never shown up, despite multiple heartfelt promises.

    You didn’t answer my question. Why have those who have it not brought it forward? Until they do, it’s the birthers rather than the non-birthers who are operating purely on faith.

  66. avatar
    CRJ December 12, 2015 at 5:24 pm #

    @Arthur B [You didn’t answer my question. ]

    Well, Doc’s reccomendations that we don’t feel necessarily that we should respond to every post I’m trying to keep in mind in the relevance of the Post. Don’t feel bad.
    Fuddys 50K
    http://moralmatters.org/2014/05/07/bombshell-bribery-news-of-obama-fake-birth-certificate-hi-doh-director-loretta-fuddy-acquired-50-k/

  67. avatar
    bob December 12, 2015 at 5:25 pm #

    CRJ:

    This as it relates to the FBI’s abilities to comb through 600 Million Docs or Bits of info related to Melendes v. Arpaio which of course is reported as not being accomplished.

    Judy fails to show any link between the FBI’s capabilities in the Risen case and the State Department’s capabilities in the case involving Clinton’s e-mail. Just more of Judy’s idle speculation.

    Guess it was Bob who named the innocent person tragically killed who also had recently had an unusual 50K credit added to her mortgage the issuance of which remain a mystery.

    There was nothing unusual about Fuddy’s finances when she died. That Judy baselessly besmirches the name an innocent person shows how despicable he is.

    CRJ:
    Well, Doc’s reccomendations that we don’t feel necessarily that we should respond to every post I’m trying to keep in mind in the relevance of the Post.

    Judy’s abilities are selective: he ignores direct, relevant questions, but feels free to add spurious information.

  68. avatar
    RanTalbott December 12, 2015 at 7:13 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Klayman’s argument in Risen is ludicrous

    Yes, but not in the way you suggest.

    Saying “I’m pretty sure the only copy was on one of the drives I gave the FBI, but I’m not certain it was there” isn’t ludicrous, per se. I.e., the copy may or may not exist, but, if it does, it’s there.

    The “ludicrous” part is not keeping track of where his alleged extremely valuable software is, and in not having backup copies.

  69. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 12, 2015 at 7:29 pm #

    I don’t consider such a scenario credible.

    RanTalbott: The “ludicrous” part is not keeping track of where his alleged extremely valuable software is, and in not having backup copies.

  70. avatar
    Reality Check December 13, 2015 at 1:18 pm #

    @CRJ

    How would you reconcile Zullo’s claim that he was only looking out for Judge Snow with his text message where he said:

    “Hell, I would wear a dress and ruby red slippers all year if we can prove this”

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/281930787/Melendres-1365-Plaintitfs-Notice-of-Supp-Auth-Depo-Excerpts

    See page 9 of the deposition of Travis Anglin..

    It is clear from the context that the “this” Zullo was referring to collusion between Judge Snow, the DoJ, and the Covington & Burling law firm.

  71. avatar
    Rickey December 13, 2015 at 1:31 pm #

    CRJ:

    The obvious answer is where did Montgomery’s Evidence start? Did it start with Arpaio hiring Montgomery? No.

    It started with Montgomery coming to Arpaio with evidence the FBI figured significant enough from the CIA to give Montegomery immunity for.

    You are confusing the hard drives which Montgomery gave to Arpaio with the hard drives he gave to the FBI. There is no evidence (or even a suggestion) that they are the same.

    The hard drives which Montgomery gave to the FBI supposedly contain data which prove that he did not con the government when he claimed that he was able to intercept coded messages which supposedly were embedded in Al-Jazeera broadcasts. Those are the hard drives for which he was granted production immunity. There is reason to believe that Montgomery gave those hard drives to the FBI because it would give him an excuse for failing to produce them in his libel lawsuit against James Risen.

    The hard drives which Montgomery gave to Arpaio supposedly contain data which he harvested from the CIA and contain telephone records which he claims show that Judge Snow was conspiring with the Justice Department to bring down Arpaio. Montgomery has not been granted immunity for those hard drives. Experts hired by the MCSO reviewed those hard drives and concluded that they contain junk.

    So your premise that there is something important in the hard drives which Montgomery gave to Arpaio is based upon your incorrect assumption that they are the same hard drives which Montgomery gave to the FBI.

    Before you make arguments you should get your facts straight.

  72. avatar
    CRJ December 13, 2015 at 2:14 pm #

    @Rickey [You are confusing the hard drives which Montgomery gave to Arpaio with the hard drives he gave to the FBI. There is no evidence (or even a suggestion) that they are the same.][ Before you make arguments you should get your facts straight.]

    First , I don’t think this Blog is Court and The constant personal harassment makes this Blog an “unfriendly place”.

    Of course my interest is to gain you guys expertise, guidance, suggestions, but why does that have to end with labels and personally degrading chastisements?

    Does it make you feel good inside? If it does, I’m very sorry for the demons torturing you. They are there by your invitation of planting and sowing rotten seeds. Please Stop that. I do care care.. and love you guys.

    If truth is on your side insults and labels are not necessary right? End of rant lol Now, where were we.

    Klayman’s argument along with the Judges and Defense Attorney seem to confirm a couple of things..
    “Montgomery v Risen # 110 Aug 21 Transcript as Attached ECF 111-1” http://scribd.com/doc/282141418

    The Harvesting Software is/are the same.

    The Data sealed by Snow very well could be termed classified by the FBI..also.

    WHY would Honorable Snow feel the need/urgency/compelling reason to SEAL it? Anyway, No one is getting to it.

    As much respect as Arpaio is given here I’m surprised you actually take stock in what he terms “Junk”.

    Jeez, I really can’t believe the thought processes of Risen to make really unproven claims in his book about Montgomery’s Software with the “hope” pray tell to God the FBI find and reports it doesn’t work.

    Talk about calculated risk taking in public publishing.

    Telling Montgomery he had better turn over what Montgomery holds to be classified information or your going to publish that it’s False or Fraudulent Software is really a bottom feeder tactic and if the FBI we’re replaced for Montgomery , Risen probably wouldn’t see daylight out of a barn for years.

    That seems to me very close to a DanRather fumble. . and the attorney he’s got representing him is about as close to being thorough as cows farting in the sky. Her discovery articulation is atrociously inadequate.

    Montgomery really easily could be a fall guy and no one would know the difference. Ask yourself for instance about the convenience to all the Judges, Elected Officials, ecentra relieved to hear the software does not work?

    Holy tamoli , one guy on disability and social security doesn’t improve his lot in life. To bad so sad.. Meantime.. The FBI’s got the goods and the Judges are taking their word for it.

    My link about DOCUMENTED Production of Documents shows the FBI has done exactly that and it took a Circuit Court to release a criminal charge on a whistle blower. http://www.brownwhitelaw.com/the-fair-administration-of-federal-criminal-law-the-importance-of-documenting-immunity-agreements/
    Now, there isn’t a whole lot of proof Sheriff Joe’s docs and hardrives info etc are not also duplicated or cross overs of data in Risen. No one’s seen it all and digested it, so how could that claim now possibly stand?

    Page 11 line 20 shows the Judge saying exactly what I said.. In that it’s doubtful Montegomery didn’t have to show something more then his wallet to get immunity

  73. avatar
    CRJ December 13, 2015 at 2:30 pm #

    @Rickey [How would you reconcile Zullo’s claim that he was only looking out for Judge Snow with his text message where he said:

    “Hell, I would wear a dress and ruby red slippers all year if we can prove this”]

    Well, that gets into speculation because I have no idea how much Zullo likes wearing ruby red slippers.

    If you want my hunch, I’d say because Zullo’s dog-nose is on greater proof of the CIA involvement with Obama’s long form fabrication, that he is seeing proof of the CIA collecting info to blackmail Federal Court Judges.

    That is still an intense desire to protect Honorable Judge Snow.. Not one to harm him.
    Why the CIA? Well, these ties tracing Obama from the CIA recruited from Occidental College are pretty well known. Obama’s trips to Pakistan with his early Religeous background and foreign language and dialect savy made Obama very useful in the CIA ops for Afghanistan in the interest of Osama bin Laden.

    Those CIA ties are pretty tight right?

    I think what this does show in the interest of Montegomery working for the CIA and going to the FBI is Political Blackmail is rampant in the USA.

    I would like to know what justifications the CIA has for itself in producing the product Montegomery as a contractor gave the FBI?

    WHERE is the Media’s story on that?

    Lemon’s article bears fruit. When Judge Snow asks Arpaio if he’s conducting investigation on Judge Snow and Arpaio says “No” and then Judge Snow pulls the [Investigation] from the Bench of the Seattle operation involving former CIA operative Montegomery given immunity by FBI, was Arpaio telling the truth, or trying to deceive the Court?

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/joe-arpaio-accused-of-deception-under-oath-by-federal-judge-7840164

    The obvious answer is where did Montgomery’s Evidence start? Did it start with Arpaio hiring Montgomery? No.

  74. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 13, 2015 at 3:33 pm #

    The text message from Zullo was addressed to Travis Anglin who, after Zullo, would have the best idea of what Zullo meant. Unfortunately the section of the transcript where Anglin answers the question of what he thought Zullo meant is not in the public record yet. There would, however, seem to be a limited number of things that Zullo would be so happy about if they could be proven.

    The “ruby slippers” text message from Mike Zullo on January 1 coincides with a series of emails where Zullo forwarded information from Dennis Montgomery to Anglin, including an “Update” which said that Convington and Burlington were now on the Montgomery conspiracy flow chart.

    From what I see in the record, I consider it a reasonable conclusion that Zullo was communicating that he would have been very happy if they could prove collusion between Judge Snow, Plaintiff’s Counsel and the DoJ. This does not mean that Sheriff Arpaio had this opinion, but it strongly suggests that Zullo lied in court.

    CRJ: Well, that gets into speculation because I have no idea how much Zullo likes wearing ruby red slippers.

  75. avatar
    Reality Check December 13, 2015 at 5:04 pm #

    That was I who asked the question that you avoided answering with the stupid remark.

    I will ask it again. What was Mike Zullo really hoping would turn out to be true in that text message?

    CRJ: @Rickey

  76. avatar
    Arthur B. December 13, 2015 at 5:27 pm #

    Reality Check: That was I who asked the question that you avoided answering with the stupid remark.

    It goes without saying that Cody is incapable of answering the simple, direct questions that his pronouncements beg for.

    The only amusement is in seeing which of his transparent tactics he chooses to duck each one.

  77. avatar
    Rickey December 13, 2015 at 6:30 pm #

    CRJ:

    First , I don’t think this Blog is Court and The constant personal harassment makes this Blog an “unfriendly place”.

    Correcting your errors is personal harassment? If your skin is that thin, perhaps you should consider posting elsewhere.

    Klayman’s argument along with the Judges and Defense Attorney seem to confirm a couple of things..“Montgomery v Risen # 110 Aug 21 Transcript as Attached ECF 111-1”http://scribd.com/doc/282141418

    The Harvesting Software is/are the same.

    Where in that transcript does it say that the software is the same? Please be specific and identify the page. You appear to be misinterpreting what Klayman is saying on pages 6 and 7.

    The Data sealed by Snow very well could be termed classified by the FBI..also.

    WHY would Honorable Snow feel the need/urgency/compelling reason to SEAL it?

    Montgomery claimed that the hard drives contain classified information which he harvested from the CIA. Judge Snow wanted to give the CIA the opportunity to review the hard drives and determine if they contain classified information.

    As much respect as Arpaio is given here I’m surprised you actually take stock in what he terms “Junk”.

    It was the experts hired by the MCSO who determined that Montgomery’s hard drives contain only junk, not Arpaio.

    As I said, get your facts straight. It isn’t that difficult to learn the facts.

  78. avatar
    bob December 13, 2015 at 8:43 pm #

    CRJ:
    First , I don’t think this Blog is Court and The constant personal harassment makes this Blog an “unfriendly place”.

    No one said this blog was a court, and if Judy would like people to stop calling him a liar, the first step would be for him to stop lying.

    Of course my interest is to gain you guys expertise, guidance, suggestions

    An interest never demonstrated by Judy, as he doesn’t ask honest question; rather, he repeats tired lies.

    Klayman’s argument along with the Judges and Defense Attorney seem to confirm a couple of things.

    Klayman’s arguments are not evidence.

    The Harvesting Software is/are the same.

    Says who?

    The Data sealed by Snow very well could be termed classified by the FBI..also.

    Snow has sealed no data. And “very could well be” is not “is.”

    WHY would Honorable Snow feel the need/urgency/compelling reason to SEAL it?

    As the judge didn’t seal the hard drives, Judy’s speculation is as usual completely off base.

    As much respect as Arpaio is given here I’m surprised you actually take stock in what he terms “Junk”.

    Because if even Arpaio agrees it is junk, there is no one who doesn’t think it is junk, except perhaps Zullo, who is a gullible idiot.

    Jeez, Ireally can’t believe the thought processes of Risen to make really unproven claims in his book about Montgomery’s Software with the “hope” pray tell to God the FBI find and reports it doesn’t work.

    Except there’s no evidence that Risen’s claims were unproven, as he extensively interviewed many sources before concluding that Montgomery was a con man peddling junk.

    Talk about calculated risk taking in public publishing.

    Unmeritorious defamation lawsuits are part of the publishing business.

    Telling Montgomery he had better turn over what Montgomery holds to be classified information or your going to publish that it’s False or Fraudulent Software is really a bottom feeder tactic and if the FBI we’re replaced for Montgomery , Risen probably wouldn’t see daylight out of a barn for years.

    Since neither Montgomery nor the FBI did that, no one is going to jail.

    That seems to me very close to a DanRather fumble. . and the attorney he’s got representing him is about as close to being thorough as cows farting in the sky. Her discovery articulation is atrociously inadequate.

    How many lawsuits have you won, “counselor”?

    Montgomery really easily could be a fall guy and no one would know the difference.

    Or, as all evidence indicates, Montgomery is a con man who finally got caught.

    Ask yourself for instance about the convenience to all the Judges, Elected Officials, ecentra relieved to hear the software does not work?

    There’s no evidence that Montgomery’s software does work.

    My link about DOCUMENTED Production of Documents shows the FBI has done exactly that and it took a Circuit Court to release a criminal charge on a whistle blower.

    Which has nothing to do with Montgomery, who isn’t a whistleblower. And the article is about the importance of documenting the existence of immunity agreements, and it is undisputed that Montgomery has a limited immunity agreement. Which is in no way linked to Arpaio’s case.

    In that it’s doubtful Montegomery didn’t have to show something more then his wallet to get immunity

    Montgomery’s immunity stems from his claim that he has stolen (by him) CIA data. If, say, Cody Judy made the same claim, no one would believe that he actually has such data.

    CRJ:
    Well, that gets into speculation because I have no idea how much Zullo likes wearing ruby red slippers.

    Yet speculating (incorrectly) on other topics is something Judy habitually does.

    If you want my hunch, I’d say because Zullo’s dog-nose is on greater proof of the CIA involvement with Obama’s long form fabrication,that he is seeing proof of the CIA collecting info to blackmail Federal Court Judges.

    A “hunch” based on Montgomery’s junk.

    Why the CIA?

    There’s no evidence the CIA was data mining.

    Well, these ties tracing Obama from the CIA recruited from Occidental College are pretty well known.

    There’s no evidence of any CIA ties, or President Obama being recruited by the CIA.

    Obama’s trips to Pakistan with his early Religeous background and foreign language and dialect savy made Obama very useful in the CIA ops for Afghanistan in the interest of Osama bin Laden.

    There’s no evidence that President Obama’s college-years trip had anything to with the CIA, Afghanistan, or bin Laden.

    Judy might consider refraining from spreading so many lies.

    Those CIA ties are pretty tight right?

    In Judy’s imagination, sure.

    I think what this does show in the interest of Montegomery working for the CIA and going to the FBI is Political Blackmail is rampant in the USA.

    There’s no evidence of any blackmail. And Montgomery seeking immunity after committing numerous federal crimes is easily explained by him desiring to not die in prison.

    I would like to know what justifications the CIA has for itself in producing the product Montegomery as a contractor gave the FBI?

    There’s no evidence that the CIA did such a thing, just Montgomery’s word, which has been proven to be worthless.

    WHERE is the Media’s story on that?

    The media has extensively reported on Montgomery’s con.

    Lemon’s article bears fruit. When Judge Snow asks Arpaio if he’s conducting investigation on Judge Snow and Arpaio says “No” and then Judge Snow pulls the [Investigation] from the Bench of the Seattle operation involving former CIA operative Montegomery given immunity by FBI, was Arpaio telling the truth, or trying to deceive the Court?

    For the third time: Arpaio was lying.

    The obvious answer is where did Montgomery’s Evidence start?

    Montgomery’s imagination.

    Did it start with Arpaio hiring Montgomery? No.

    There’s no reason to think it didn’t start with Montgomery realizing that he could fleece the MCSO.

  79. avatar
    CRJ December 13, 2015 at 9:48 pm #

    @b [Barack] Ob [Obama]
    [There’s no reason to think it didn’t start with Montgomery realizing that he could fleece the MCSO.]

    That’s like saying there’s no reason to think that @Bob is not Barack Obama.

    Yea.. Prove your not.

  80. avatar
    bob December 13, 2015 at 10:52 pm #

    CRJ:
    Yea.. Prove your not.

    Judy quickly forgets that he wrote, “Did [Montgomery’s evidence] start with Arpaio hiring Montgomery?” And then answered his own question with “no.” In other words, Judy asserted that Montgomery ‘s evidence did not “start” (i.e., it preceded) Arpaio hiring Montgomery.

    If Judy believes that Montgomery’s evidence preceded Arpaio paying Montgomery for his services, then the burden is on Judy to provide proof of Judy‘s assertion.

  81. avatar
    Curious George December 13, 2015 at 11:28 pm #

    Mr. Judy,

    I’ve read your numerous comments, which are very tiring to me. Circular arguments can be really exhausting. You come across like a rabid Birther and frankly, speaking for myself, your input is such a waste of time. Don’t you have a presidential campaign to be running or something better to occupy your time?

    I will say one thing, not to convince you of anything but I just want to ask you one question.

    Don’t you think that it is rather telling that the “Seattle Operation” undertaken by Zullo, with Arpaio’s blessing and the assistance of Dennis Montgomery, was actually focused on Judge Snow, Eric Holder, the Department of Justice, the U.S. District Court, Arizona, Lanny Breuer, previous Phoenix Mayor, Phil Gordon, previous Chief Deputy Brian Sands, and Mary Rose Wilcox’ husband, all who could be seen by Arpaio as political enemies? The evidence presented in court paints a picture of a political enemies list assembled by Arpaio, not a list of victims.

    I see a criminal referral coming down the road for Arpaio and Sheridan.

  82. avatar
    Slartibartfast December 13, 2015 at 11:43 pm #

    CRJ: First , I don’t think this Blog is Court and The constant personal harassment makes this Blog an “unfriendly place”.

    The people here, in general, do no suffer dishonest fools gladly (or in silence). All (or nearly all) of the comments directed at you have been well and truly earned by your behavior. If you don’t want to be called an “unrepentant domestic terrorist”, for instance, you should admit your mistake and show regret for what you did (not just the punishment it merited). You cannot move on from your past until you own your mistakes, not to mention that is the only way you can begin to rebuild the shambles of your integrity.

    Of course my interest is to gain you guys expertise, guidance, suggestions,

    Yet you have never shown the slightest bit of respect for the expertise of the commenters here or any evidence of taking or even considering the wise guidance and intelligent suggestions they have made. Why is that? The sum total of your skill as a politician seems to be your ability to pander.

    but why does that have to end with labels and personally degrading chastisements?

    Because you have, to date, completely failed to realize how shameful your behavior has been. You are not a good person, Mr. Judy—your words and past actions make that crystal clear—and the only possible path for your improvement is for you to understand just what a poor excuse for a Mormon, an American and a human being you have been. Granted, it seems unlikely that you will ever have this epiphany, but trying to help you to become a better person is the right thing to do (at least for a Buddhist like myself, I’m sure everyone has their own—fully justified—reasons for belittling you).

    Does it make you feel good inside?

    No, I’m saddened, frustrated and concerned by the ignorance, bigotry and hate that you cling to and pity your lack of intelligence and self-awareness. It would make me feel incredible inside if you could be convinced to give up your morally and intellectually bankrupt beliefs. Do you think there is a chance that could happen?

    If it does, I’m very sorry for the demons torturing you.

    There are no “demons torturing” me (nor, I expect, anyone else here), at least as regards how we treat birthers in general or you in particular. It is easy to justify just about any words one wishes to hurl against people as vile and despicable as your average birther. On the other hand, it is obvious that you have long since given up resisting the legion of demons torturing you and simply do or say whatever inane, idiotic or cowardly thing they whisper in your ear.

    They are there by your invitation of planting and sowing rotten seeds.

    Oh Cody, we aren’t sowing seeds at all—we are part of the whirlwind you are reaping because you decided to sow the wind.

    Please Stop that. I do care care.. and love you guys.

    We care too. We care that you choose to falsely besmirch innocent people with baseless accusations. I think everyone here would rather that you saw the error of your ways, but, failing that, we feel obligated to point out your dishonesty.

    If you’d like the people here to like you back it’s easy—all you have to do is admit that just about everything you’ve said here is wrong and honestly listen to the people who have been tirelessly correcting your misinformation. You could be an example to all that birtherism isn’t an incurable disease and begin to regain the integrity that you’ve been systematically shredding since your “BoM” scare.

    What has the birther movement ever done for you? What do you think it will do for you in the future? Wouldn’t you like to join the winning side? And more importantly, the side where there isn’t the slightest bit of need for either dishonesty or hypocrisy? There’s a big world out there full of terrible and wonderful things and you refuse to experience it because you can’t accept that a man with a scary foreign-sounding name and dark skin is the legitimate President of the United States and the most significant act of your life so far was to terrorize innocent people by making them think you had a bomb. Why don’t you just follow the wisdom of John Wayne? Speaking of JFK he said:

    “I didn’t vote for him, but he’s my president and I hope he does a good job.”

    If truth is on your side insults and labels are not necessary right?

    Falsehood unchallenged only festers and grows. You merely have to stop behaving in a fashion that merits such labels and everyone will stop using those labels to describe you.

    End of rant lol

    I hope you take my honest and forthright response to your “rant” to heart and consider all of the positive attention the people here would give you if you only responded to their comments honestly and showed the integrity to own your past mistakes.

    Now, where were we.

    You were spinning tales based on your standard-issue birther set of misconceptions regarding President Obama and (very loosely) based on Sheriff Arpaio’s trial for civil contempt for non-compliance with the order of a federal judge. I expect you will return to putting your hatred, willful ignorance, bigotry and sedition on full display.

  83. avatar
    Lupin December 14, 2015 at 2:33 am #

    CRJ: First , I don’t think this Blog is Court and The constant personal harassment makes this Blog an “unfriendly place”.

    Until you show some genuine remorse and contriteness for your past actions, I can’t imagine why you would expect to be treated with anything but mild contempt.

  84. avatar
    CRJ December 14, 2015 at 3:04 am #

    @Curious George [Don’t you think that it is rather telling that the “Seattle Operation”]
    [You come across like a rabid Birther ]

    I’ve never really taken offense to that.. God’s honest truth. In my head it simply meant standing up for a unique Presidential Qualification [ natural born Citizen] ie. Born in the U.S. to Citizen Parents. That is a natural 2 Generations of [Time] to that Office unlike Reps, Sens’ , or Judges, and that’s all it ever had to do with. . TIME.

    As to your great question about the Seatle Operation. I see your point, but I sincerely see absolutely nothing Sheriff Arpaio could possibly have imagined doing to Judge Snow that would represent any kind of malfeasance if that was the M.O.

    I mean truthfully I do not understand as well as I’m sure many here. In fact I think Judge Snow and Sheriff Arpaio are both Republicans. . so .. I mean sure you can have disagreements but there is common ground too.

    Myself, I actually took the fact the Judge Snow never denied what his wife said about seeing to it Sheriff Joe was not elected again, from his position on the Bench, and then his actions on the Bench that would tend to back his wives words up, as more of a direct Abuse of Authority then ever Sheriff Arpaio’s Seatle Operation was portrayed as potential.. Whatever.. Against Judge Snow.

    I was shocked Judge Snow did not recuse himself with those facts. .and I do think it’s much more personal from Judge Snow’s side then Arpaio see’s any conceivable way to hurt Judge Snow.

    That doesn’t mean I don’t think Sheriff Arpaio doesn’t have Snow white toilet paper for what he could not help perceive over 8 years as a fire burning inside his office and the way he wants to do the job he’s been elected by the County to do it.

    I just think the whole ” Arpaio wanting to investigate Snow in the interest of doing anything to him or in the interest of getting him to change any rulings is light frost on the ground or amounts to zip.

    Now.. Given that let me say, I have gained respect for Judge Snow through these proceeding, especially the consideration and care he did give Zullo. I thought he demonstrated a real genuine balance for fairness there. I admired that. I think he’s a good Judge.. Overall. . but I’m not much of a very good movie critic. Meaning, there are or have been very few Judges I haven’t liked.

    They often display grasps of character I really admire and in Court, when and if you get in there, I’ve just mostly admired them.
    I have a tremendous innate respect for them and their mastery of their arena.

    It’s mostly those who won’t give me a chance to see them that starts to make me huff and puff.

    Finally I’d say, if I felt the way you say you feel about reading my comments simply STOP at the CRJ part at the beginning and save yourself some light listening soothing music to play. .maybe some Fleetwood Mac.

    Don’t I have a Presidential Campaign to run or something else to do with my time? Do yourself a favor and don’t upset your world with what I do with my time. Worry about your time. Let me worry about my time.

    You might surmise 2 Cases in the United States Supreme Court with my name and Obama’s name that have quite a bit to do with my Standing for the Constitution and the particular subject this Blog Maintains as High Priority.

    One thing I do know very well. That is the wheels of Justice often turn slowly, but they do turn. It may take a couple more San Bernardino tragedies before the #SCOTUS sees the angry million man crowd, and I walked through them and into the Court, but we do know 1790 changed in 1795 and everyone will know it when Obama’s U-Haul pulls up to load up and exit the White House the same way.

  85. avatar
    CRJ December 14, 2015 at 3:17 am #

    @Slartibartfast @Lupin I believe that your comments are not related to the Post Above and an Open Thread is where Doc has called for such.

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  86. avatar
    bovril December 14, 2015 at 3:30 am #

    So, A Boy named Judy, do tell, if you are so butt hurt and sad about all the nasty comments from these evil, wicked, demon ridden folks, why do you persist in posting here..?

    You are most certainly nor going to change the minds of any of the non nut job posters here.

    You remain at best a subject of derision with a soupcon of ‘There but for the grace of God”.

    You refuse to accept or even adequately acknowledge your past of domestic terrorism

    Your splintered and tortured sentence and grammatical structure is and remains an affront to all.

    I could continue but leave the rest as an exercise for students researching a profoundly damaged mind.

    So Judy, why continue to abuse the good grace of Doc C..?

  87. avatar
    Daniel December 14, 2015 at 3:32 am #

    You are not conservative CRJ

  88. avatar
    Lupin December 14, 2015 at 5:21 am #

    CRJ: @Lupin I believe that your comments are not related to the Post Above

    Not true. I was literally quoting you from your “Post above”. If you fell my response is/was unrelated, why did you bring it up in the first place?

  89. avatar
    Lupin December 14, 2015 at 5:29 am #

    CRJ: It’s mostly those who won’t give me a chance to see them that starts to make me huff and puff.

    I don’t speak for others, but I know that we, here, have explained to you, repeatedly, in very nice, polite, clear, concise and sufficient manner, why some of the “birther” notions you appear to hold true, are simply false, misguided and easily disproved by history.

    Emphasis on “repeatedly”.

    As far as I can tell, you have not taken any of this to heart, reflected upon it, or even argued sensibly about it. Instead, you have remained stubbornly attached to your false beliefs, no matter what contrary evidence is shown to you, in the same fashion as you stubbornly refuse to display any remorse for your past actions.

    In effect, you’re like a broken clock. Considering all of this, I think we are, in fact, extremely nice to to you.

  90. avatar
    Curious George December 14, 2015 at 6:40 am #

    CRJ:

    “As to your great question about the Seatle Operation. I see your point, but I sincerely see absolutely nothing Sheriff Arpaio could possibly have imagined doing to Judge Snow that would represent any kind of malfeasance if that was the M.O.”

    Mr. Judy,
    Joe Arpaio has a long history of using retaliation against those who he sees as political foes and who have tried to hold Arpaio accountable for his actions.

    You may wish to look up the definition of “contempt of court” Mr. Judy. I’ll save you some time:

    “Any act which is calculated to embarrass, hinder, or obstruct court in administration of justice, or which is calculated to lessen its authority or it’s dignity. Committed by a person who does any act in willful contravention of its authority or dignity, or tending to impede or frustrate the administration of justice, or by one who, being under the court’s authority as a party to a proceeding therein, willfully disobeys its lawful orders or fails to comply with an undertaking which he was given.”

    I believe that the “Seattle Operation, an apparent effort to develop a bogus conspiracy theory to discredit Judge Snow’s court, fits the definition above and it lends credence to the Arpaio civil contempt proceedings initiated in Melendres v. Arpaio. The Seattle Operation exhibits Arpaio’s state of mind toward the court and the Seattle Operation, in my opinion [IANAL], adds more evidence that Arpaio’s admission under oath of his being in contempt of the court ordered injunction was willful and will result in a criminal referral.

    Arpaio goes after his enemies, including judges, Mr. Judy.

  91. avatar
    Reality Check December 14, 2015 at 9:14 am #

    I seem to recall that one of the first actions Arapio’s attorneys took after the Seattle Operation became public was to try to have Judge Snow removed from the case.Was I imagining that?

    Curious George: Mr. Judy,
    Joe Arpaio has a long history of using retaliation against those who he sees as political foes and who have tried to hold Arpaio accountable for his actions.

  92. avatar
    Curious George December 14, 2015 at 10:43 am #

    Reality Check
    December 14, 2015

    “I seem to recall that one of the first actions Arapio’s attorneys took after the Seattle Operation became public was to try to have Judge Snow removed from the case.Was I imagining that?”

    Not only did Arpaio try to get Snow to recuse himself his attorney requested a private investigator to investigate comments that Snow’s wife allegedly made years ago about Arpaio. The PI, found that the information about Snow’s wife was not reliable and Arpaio’s original attorney recommended that it not be pursued in court. Once things started to go badly for Arpaio, another Arpaio attorney brought up the alleged comments by Snow’s wife again. Once again, their effort to remove Judge Snow was not successful.

  93. avatar
    Slartibartfast December 14, 2015 at 11:14 am #

    Mr. Judy,

    In coming up with such a pusillanimous response to Lupin and myself your cowardice is on full display. We both responded directly to your own words (I quoted everything relevant and responded to in an honest and forthright manner line by line).

    I have never (and will never) read your book, but I can say with complete certainty that it would be an unmitigated waste of my time to read your ignorant, bigoted and juvenile word salad. You are constantly afforded opportunities to demonstrate your integrity here and uniformly show that you not only lack even the slightest bit of honesty, but any shred of decency as well. As I said before, your words bring nothing but shame to yourself and your parents (or whomever did such a poor job as to raise a human being as despicable as you), and except for debunking your nonsense and offering you the chance to acknowledge your repulsive behavior there is no reason for any decent person to expose themselves to your drivel.

    It’s not your fault that you were not graced with the intelligence that others were, but the sin of asserting your ignorance and bigotry over other people’s expertise is all on you.

    CRJ:
    @Slartibartfast @Lupin I believe that your comments are not related to the Post Above and an Open Thread is where Doc has called for such.

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  94. avatar
    CRJ December 14, 2015 at 11:27 am #

    @Curious George I was very surprised to see Judge Snow refuse Sheriff Arpaio’s paying a fine of 100K and offering to produce profuse apology.

    That is really a [sign] I think for everyone as witness of Judge Snow’s not being satisfied with a very [reasonable settlement] as we contrast the expenses and result of the “Seattle & CCP INVESTIGATION ” conducted as an [interest investigation] from the Bench.

    It seems to me a much greater and contrived [martyrdom of Maricopa County and it’s Sheriff] then the resulting application of Justice upon that which will go down in public perception about as easy as motor oil given especially the current events that surround us.

    In other words killing a bunny bothering you whose battery was running down with a nuclear weapon and leaving the whole area suffering in contamination will not gain the support of the public in the investment of futures. I think it will prove unwise in the overall picture.

    @Daniel [You are not conservative CRJ] Well, running as a Democrat as I am, your absolutely correct. I would not want to take the Neo Conservative baton of, for instance , U.S. Sen. Red Cruz many here by their support of his eligibility support fully.

    @Reality Check I’m just unfamiliar with the many detentions Sheriff Joe has administered upon his political enemies. How much hurt can one little old Sheriff cause the Grand Officers holding so much higher offices then he? Seems astounding unless of course Political Corruption existed above him? The long history of continued election seems meritorious.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4654027685001/would-arming-250000-people-be-a-good-idea/?#sp=show-clips

    [@Those Who Show Contempt for Justice] in failing to acknowledge remorse and payment by jacking the price up over lifetimes are not ever satisfied. They are ravenous wolves continually starving and never satisfied. This is [their hell] and ultimately they will consume themselves in a horrorible canabolism not even recognising the crunch of their own fingers until they are gone.

  95. avatar
    Rickey December 14, 2015 at 11:31 am #

    CRJ:

    Myself, I actually took the fact the Judge Snow never denied what his wife said about seeing to it Sheriff Joe was not elected again, from his position on the Bench, and then his actions on the Bench that would tend to back his wives words up, as more of a direct Abuse of Authority then ever Sheriff Arpaio’s Seatle Operation was portrayed as potential.. Whatever.. Against Judge Snow.

    I was shocked Judge Snow did not recuse himself with those facts.

    Judge Snow wasn’t present when the comments by his wife allegedly were said, so it would be improper for him to deny them.

    Besides, the MCSO did conduct an investigation about the alleged comments and came up with nothing, so they dropped it.

    So once again you have your “facts” wrong.

    And the Court of Appeals ruled that Judge Snow was not required to recuse himself.

    One thing I do know very well. That is the wheels of Justice often turn slowly, but they do turn. It may take a couple more San Bernardino tragedies before the #SCOTUS sees the angry million man crowd, and I walked through them and into the Court, but we do know 1790 changed in 1795 and everyone will know it when Obama’s U-Haul pulls up to load up and exit the White House the same way.

    I have no idea what that word salad is supposed to mean, but what does San Bernardino have to do with SCOTUS?

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    CRJ December 14, 2015 at 11:40 am #

    Judge Snow’s wife’s comments calaborated with History of Judge Snow’s Actions of course. Being required to recuse ones self is of course completely different then voluntarily recusing oneself. There’s lots of Judges in that Court.

    [The Motion for Recusal includes a copy of the Facebook post in which Grissom relayed Mrs. Snow’s words to Sheriff Arpaio after remaining quiet about them for some time.]

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    Jim December 14, 2015 at 11:42 am #

    CRJ:
    Myself, I actually took the fact the Judge Snow never denied what his wife said about seeing to it Sheriff Joe was not elected again, from his position on the Bench, and then his actions on the Bench that would tend to back his wives words up, as more of a direct Abuse of Authority then ever Sheriff Arpaio’s Seatle Operation was portrayed as potential.. Whatever.. Against Judge Snow.

    I was shocked Judge Snow did not recuse himself with those facts. .and I do think it’s much more personal from Judge Snow’s side then Arpaio see’s any conceivable way to hurt Judge Snow.

    How dumb can you be? The Sheriff’s OWN INVESTIGATION found the accusations were unfounded and unbelievable. Why does he have to deny something the sheriff’s investigators found to be BS? Now that’s really desperate!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

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    Reality Check December 14, 2015 at 1:08 pm #

    I have come to the conclusion that engaging CRJ is about as pointless as engaging Nancy Owens. Both of them are full of nonsense and are just here for the attention.

    Rickey: I have no idea what that word salad is supposed to mean, but what does San Bernardino have to do with SCOTUS?

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    Jim December 14, 2015 at 1:25 pm #

    Reality Check:
    I have come to the conclusion that engaging CRJ is about as pointless as engaging Nancy Owens. Both of them are full of nonsense and are just here for the attention.

    Nope, they’re just here for our entertainment. Unless they’re so pathetic and have been banned by so many other places we’re all they have left.

    In that case, we’re just the asylum guards making sure they haven’t done anything more stupid than what they’ve already done to themselves.

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    Slartibartfast December 14, 2015 at 1:43 pm #

    I don’t think engaging Nancy is a good idea as I believe she is mentally ill (or the world’s worst performance artist). CRJ, on the other hand, is just a contemptible excuse for a human being, in my opinion. In other words, he’s got the power to change should he just find the courage to own his mistakes and admit his ignorance.

    The funny thing is that both could get all of the attention they could want from the people here (and in a far more positive fashion than they are getting now) if they could just let go of the misunderstanding, hate and ignorance they cling to as if it were precious to them.

    It is truly sad how they continually cry for help yet refuse any assistance offered.

    Reality Check:
    I have come to the conclusion that engaging CRJ is about as pointless as engaging Nancy Owens. Both of them are full of nonsense and are just here for the attention.

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    bob December 14, 2015 at 1:55 pm #

    CRJ:
    In my head it simply meant standing up for a unique Presidential Qualification [ natural born Citizen] ie. Born in the U.S. to Citizen Parents.

    Despite the repeated expertise, guidance, and suggestions that Judy has received on this subject, he persists on a definition for natural-born citizen that has been rejected by every court that has addressed the issue.

    I sincerely see absolutely nothing Sheriff Arpaio could possibly have imagined doing to Judge Snow that would represent any kind of malfeasance if that was the M.O.

    Other than invent a conspiracy to knock the judge the off the case, of course.

    I actually took the fact the Judge Snow never denied what his wife said about seeing to it Sheriff Joe was not elected again, from his position on the Bench, and then his actions on the Bench that would tend to back his wives words up

    Judge Snow was not required to make any denial, and if the defendants thought it was important, they could have called Judge Snow’s wife as a witness. But they did not. And the more obvious reason why the defendants didn’t is because Arpaio’s attorney’s investigator concluded the allegations weren’t meritorious.

    Judge Snow’s wife’s comments calaborated with History of Judge Snow’s Actions of course.

    Except there’s no competent evidence that the judge’s wife ever made the comment in question.

    There’s lots of Judges in that Court.

    And Arpaio desired another one. But judge shopping is not part of the U.S. system of justice.

    I was shocked Judge Snow did not recuse himself with those facts.

    Given Judy’s profound ignorance, him being surprised is unsurprising. But anyone familiar with the law correctly predicted that both Judge Snow and the 9th Circuit would agree that recusal was unnecessary.

    I do think it’s much more personal from Judge Snow’s side then Arpaio see’s any conceivable way to hurt Judge Snow.

    Judy’s thoughts are his alone, and not supported by actual facts.

    That doesn’t mean I don’t think Sheriff Arpaio doesn’t have Snow white toilet paper for what he could not help perceive over 8 years as a fire burning inside his office and the way he wants to do the job he’s been elected by the County to do it.

    Judy’s word salad aside, the numerous successful lawsuits against Arpaio indicate that his methods of doing the job are horrible.

    Arpaio wanting to investigate Snow in the interest of doing anything to him or in the interest of getting him to change any rulings is light frost on the ground or amounts to zip.

    Judy’s opinion is not support by facts. More importantly, it is not Judy’s opinion that matters; Judge Snow’s opinion on the subject matters greatly.

    Meaning, there are or have been very few Judges I haven’t liked.

    Like one that Judy condemns to hell for properly adjudicating the criminal case against him.

    I have a tremendous innate respect for them and their mastery of their arena.

    Except for the ones that rule against Judy.

    It’s mostly those who won’t give me a chance to see them that starts to make me huff and puff.

    A statement that someone who has terrorized thousands shouldn’t make.

    Finally I’d say, if I felt the way you say you feel about reading my comments simply STOP at the CRJ part

    Unchallenged falesehoods fester.

    Let me worry about my time.

    How a politician effectively uses his or her time is a legitimate concern for potential voters, “Mr. President.”

    You might surmise 2 Cases in the United States Supreme Courtwith my name and Obama’s name that have quite a bit to do with my Standing for the Constitution and the particular subject this Blog Maintains as High Priority.

    Judy’s surmises incorrectly about what others surmise: Judy’s frivolous cases are have had no effect on the law and show that he simply refuses to accept that he wrong.

    It may take a couple more San Bernardino tragedies before the #SCOTUS sees the angry million man crowd

    Judy’s stochastic terrorism is especially ill advised for someone who has terrorized thousands.

    everyone will know it when Obama’s U-Haul pulls up to load up and exit the White House the same way.

    Absent tragedy, President Obama’s term will end with him duly ceding power to his successor in 2017.

    CRJ:
    REPEATED POLITE ANSWR: Read My Book

    REPEATED REPLY: Judy’s illiterate lies here do not induce anyone read more of his “work” elsewhere.

    CRJ:
    @Curious George I was very surprised to see Judge Snow refuse Sheriff Arpaio’s paying a fine of 100K and offering to produce profuse apology.

    Judy’s surprise is unsurprising, but as the judge explained, he felt Arpaio’s offer was insufficient to correct Arpaio’s wrongs.

    That is really a [sign] I think for everyone as witness of Judge Snow’snot beingsatisfied with a very [reasonable settlement]

    Neither the judge nor the plaintiffs thought the offer was reasonable.

    as we contrast the expenses and result of the “Seattle & CCP INVESTIGATION

    Expenses incurred because of Arpaio’s actions. If Judy is so concerned about expenses, he should be blaiming Arpaio.

    conducted as an [interest investigation] from the Bench.

    AGAIN: THERE WAS NO JUDICIAL INVESTIGATION.

    A judge asking a question during a hearing is not an investigation. Yet Judy persists in this lie.

    It seems to me a much greater and contrived [martyrdom ofMaricopa County and it’s Sheriff] then the resulting application of Justice upon that which will go down in public perception about as easy as motor oil given especially the current events that surround us.

    In other words killing a bunny bothering you whose battery was running down with a nuclear weapon and leaving the whole area suffering in contamination will not gain the support of the public in the investment of futures.I think it will prove unwise in the overall picture.

    Judy’s famous word salad notwithstanding, his perceptions on what is justice are decidedly his alone.

    How much hurt can one little old Sheriff cause the Grand Officers holding so much higher offices then he?

    In other words, Judy does not mind if his preferred elected officials violate the law. How hypocritical of him.

    Seems astounding unless of course Political Corruption existed above him?

    There’s no evidence that Arpaio is legitimately investigating any political crime; rather, Arpaio is abusing his office to punish his enemies, and to fleece his rubes.

    [@Those Who Show Contempt for Justice] in failing to acknowledge remorse and payment by jacking the price up over lifetimes are not ever satisfied.

    Judy has never shown remorse for his victims; he further injures them by blaming his lack of character on their invented never being satisfied.

    Reality Check:
    Both of them are full of nonsense and are just here for the attention.

    Agreed. This is one place where Judy gets attention, even if it is profoundly negative attention.

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 14, 2015 at 2:03 pm #

    Well, DUH!

    Reality Check: I have come to the conclusion that engaging CRJ is about as pointless as engaging Nancy Owens. Both of them are full of nonsense and are just here for the attention.

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    CRJ December 14, 2015 at 2:14 pm #

    What is your speculation as to Why any government agency would again hire Montegomery AFTER this article?

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/playboy-goes-undercover-with-dennis-montgomery-the-man-who-fooled-the-cia-over-al-jazeera-codes/story-e6frfro0-1225812662560

    Among the possibilities :

    1- To set up Sheriff Joe by asking Montegomery to go to the Sheriff Joe with enough tid bits to implicate him?

    2- To continue work on a Project that [did] work they found interest in, with the covert identity of “Con Man” working in camouflage for them?

    3- Because they needed entertainment during their lunch breaks?

    4- They needed comfort in guarding him to justify their continued employment?

    I’m sure there is more to it than we know.

    Why would the ACLU hide their attorney/client Privelege as an agreement with Montegomery and then prosecute their client?

    Does no one in our Government and associated defenders of the Constitution not ask for a little bit of confirming proof anymore?

    While many here call me stupid, I don’t think the ACLU, the FBI, the CIA, DC Judges, Sheriff Joe, Mike Zullo, Judge Snow, and Judge in Risen’s case, as well as Klayman are ALL stupid people.

    But that is very nearly what everyone discrediting Montgomery is acerting.

    Quite a remarkable anomaly [“A branch of the French intelligence services helped convince the Americans that the bar codes were fake,” it said.] , considering what happened in Paris, France as well as what the French have done afterwards in their Country in seeking a resetablishment of security for their Citizens.

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    CRJ December 14, 2015 at 2:34 pm #

    @ Doc [Well, DUH!]
    Reality Check: [I have come to the conclusion that engaging CRJ is about as pointless as engaging Nancy Owens. Both of them are full of nonsense and are just here for the attention.]

    Sure isn’t for the good food. BWAHAHAHAHA!

  105. avatar
    bob December 14, 2015 at 2:59 pm #

    CRJ:
    What is your speculation as to Why any government agency would again hire Montegomery AFTER this article?

    “Why” isn’t particularly relevant because the reality is the MSCO actually did do that.

    A reasonable conclusion as to why, however, would be that Arpaio was desperate and bought was Montgomery was selling. And Zullo was too stupid to see that they were being conned until way too late.

    Why would the ACLU hide their attorney/client Privelege as an agreement with Montegomery and then prosecute their client?

    Because Montgomery was never the ACLU’s client, and there was no retainer agreement to hide. And the ACLU is not prosecuting Montgomery.

    Does no one in our Government and associated defenders of the Constitution not ask for a little bit of confirming proof anymore?

    Arpaio obviously didn’t.

    While many here call me stupid, I don’t think the ACLU, the FBI, the CIA, DC Judges, Sheriff Joe, Mike Zullo, Judge Snow, and Judge in Risen’s case, as well as Klayman are ALL stupid people.

    Not all of them are stupid people, and no one is asserting all of them are stupid people.

    Quite a remarkable anomaly [“A branch of the French intelligence services helped convince the Americans that the bar codes were fake,” it said.] , considering what happened in Paris, France as well as what the French have done afterwards in their Country in seeking a resetablishment of security for their Citizens.

    Judy yet again makes unwarranted inferences based on two very disparate data points.

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 14, 2015 at 5:14 pm #

    That’s a hard question, why Arpaio would hire Montgomery and spend at least a quarter of a million dollars on his claims. Court testimony says that the MCSO was aware of the article.

    The only conclusion is that Montgomery is damned good at what he does, convincing people to trust him. And of course Arpaio doesn’t even know how to use a computer, and Zullo isn’t even marginally competent in the kinds of things Montgomery was selling. To Arpaio’s credit, after Montgomery failed month after month to produce what he promised, Arpaio hired someone who did have the technical expertise to expose the con.

    CRJ: What is your speculation as to Why any government agency would again hire Montegomery AFTER this article?

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    Rickey December 14, 2015 at 7:18 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:

    The only conclusion is that Montgomery is damned good at what he does, convincing people to trust him.

    I once worked for a man who was like that. He made promise after promise but almost never followed through. I finally had enough and resigned to take another job. I left with the company owing me money, and one day he called me and asked me to meet him for lunch to discuss things. He painted a very rosy picture and said that he would like me to come back to work for him. In spite of everything that I knew about his propensity to lie, I almost believed him, and when I left the meeting I had to slap myself and remind myself that nothing he said could be relied upon.A couple of month later his company filed for bankruptcy and I never received the money I was owed.

    Fast forward 25 years, and it came to my attention that my former boss has been fired from his last position after being accused of diverting more than $4 million of company income to his personal accounts. As they say, leopards don’t change their spots.

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    Northland10 December 14, 2015 at 8:38 pm #

    Slartibartfast: I don’t think engaging Nancy is a good idea as I believe she is mentally ill (or the world’s worst performance artist). CRJ, on the other hand, is just a contemptible excuse for a human being, in my opinion. In other words, he’s got the power to change should he just find the courage to own his mistakes and admit his ignorance.

    I am getting the impression that CRJ is not really any different than Nancy. Granted, many birthers avoided anything, including actual court documents, to retain their vision of what the think the truth should be, CRJ’s style shows an complete inability to actually understand what is being said.

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    Rickey December 14, 2015 at 9:12 pm #

    Northland10:
    CRJ’s style shows an complete inability to actually understand what is being said.

    A perfect example is how he misunderstands what Klayman was saying during the 8/21/15 hearing on the Risen case.

    Klayman says (p. 6): “The only issue that has been outstanding here is the issue of Mr. Montgomery’s software.”

    Then he goes off on a tangent, claiming that Montgomery is a whistleblower, and in conclusion he says, “Because one of the things that he has that is not part of this lawsuit, is what appears to be unconstitutional surveillance on hundreds of millions of American citizens, including federal judges.” That clearly is a reference to the material which Montgomery gave to Arpaio, but Klaymsn says that it is not part of the Risen lawsuit.

    Then Klayman returns to the software, saying “So that has been turned over to the FBI. The FBI is determining whether or not the software is classified or not…”

    CRJ reads that and makes the leap that the hard drives which Montgomery gave to the FBI are the same as the hard drives which he gave to Arpaio, totally disregarding the fact that Klayman has said that the supposed surveillance of judges and other American citizens is not part of the Risen case. Later in the transcript he again alludes to the surveillance, be he admits that he doesn’t know what else is on the hard drives which were turned over to the FBI (other than the software) because he never looked at them.

    So there is no evidence that there is any duplication between what Montgomery gave to the FBI and what he gave to Arpaio. CRJ fails to comprehend that.

    Doc has said that CRJ is reasonably articulate when he speaks, but if his writing skills are indicative of his reading skills, it may help to explain why he is unable to grasp what is written here.

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    Keith December 14, 2015 at 10:00 pm #

    CRJ: What is your speculation as to Why any government agency would again hire Montegomery AFTER this article?

    The article appeared in Playboy.

    Who the heck buys Playboy for the articles?

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    bob December 14, 2015 at 10:39 pm #

    Keith:
    Who the heck buys Playboy for the articles?

    Now, everybody.