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Cruz good to go in New Jersey too

CBS News reports Ted Cruz was declared a natural born citizen by an administrative law judge in New Jersey:

The more persuasive legal analysis is that such a child, born of a citizen-father, citizen-mother, or both, is indeed a ‘natural born citizen’ within the contemplation of the Constitution.

Judge Masin rejected the contention of the attorney for Cruz that the challengers lacked standing, or if they had standing that the issue was not justiciable. He was rather emphatic on those points.

Like the Obama case heard in 2012 where Judge Masin did not have before him a purported forged Obama birth certificate from the Internet, in this one:

To this end, it should be clear that whatever rumors, innuendoes, purported facts or otherwise about conduct of the Senator’s parents while in Canada that may have been circulated on the internet or otherwise are not before me, and no party presented any proofs whatsoever concerning any such matters.

The crux of Judge Masin’s argument is that enactments of the English Parliament in addition to the English Common Law prior to the creation of the United States constitute part of an American common law, and as such, the children of citizens born overseas are natural born citizens under the Constitution, notwithstanding subsequent legislation that did the same thing.

Read the entire decision here.

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76 Responses to Cruz good to go in New Jersey too

  1. avatar
    Joey April 13, 2016 at 1:15 am #

    I’m not sure if this is complete or not:
    Cruz Eligibility Rulings
    Arkansas (Librace v Cruz) dismissed
    Florida (Voeltz v Cruz) dismissed
    Illinois Election Board, ruled eligible
    Indiana Election Commission (Cruz), ruled eligible.
    New Hampshire Ballot Commission, ruled eligible
    New Jersey (Williams v Cruz), ruled eligible
    New York (Korman & Gallo v Cruz) dismissed
    Pennsylvania (Elliott v Cruz) Cruz ruled eligible
    Utah (Wagner v Cruz) dismissed, appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

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    bovril April 13, 2016 at 3:46 am #

    I will admit to being somewhat surprised, I was of a strong belief that this would be kicked to the curb either as lack of standing or on the grounds that the SoS has no legislative authority to rule on eligibility.

    Of course Williams and Co. could appeal this although not sure on what grounds based on the judges writings…….

    Still, Falio the Putz I’m sure will be frenetically vomiting forth on his web site some overwrought, overblown, prolix logorrhoea about how he’s still “winning” and every judge is a poopyhead…….. 😁

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    The Magic M (not logged in) April 13, 2016 at 4:36 am #

    At least we can expect some Orly-style “I WON” croakings given the judge “agreed” with birthers on standing.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) April 13, 2016 at 4:40 am #

    To this end, it should be clear that whatever rumors, innuendoes, purported facts or otherwise about conduct of the Senator’s parents while in Canada that may have been circulated on the internet or otherwise are not before me, and no party presented any proofs whatsoever concerning any such matters.

    So this is basically the judge telling the Putz “you shoulda brought me some proof instead of just yapping about what’s being said on the internets during oral argument”?

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2016 at 7:06 am #

    At one time I was leaning toward the view that the definition was not justiciable, but I found Judge Pellegrini’s argument persuasive, and Judge Masin even more so.

    bovril: I will admit to being somewhat surprised, I was of a strong belief that this would be kicked to the curb either as lack of standing or on the grounds that the SoS has no legislative authority to rule on eligibility.

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    gorefan April 13, 2016 at 9:52 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Judge Masin even more so.

    I thought that was maybe his weakest argument.

    ” Congress has no power over this process for choosing the President and Vice President, except where a tie vote occurs, when Congress chooses the President and Vice President.”

    Members of Congress can raise an objection during the counting of the electoral votes and if enough agree, throw out the votes for an ineligible President-elect or Vice-President-elect.

    Still IMO, this will be the Cruz Birthers Ankeny decision. It will be cited from now on as a persuasive argument for his being a natural born citizen.

    With standing out of the way Mario should appeal all the way to the Supreme Court.

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    Matt Schilling April 13, 2016 at 10:19 am #

    I wonder why the judge did not consider The SCOTUS case Rogers v Bellei (1971), which deals directly with the issue of a child born outside the U.S. to a single American citizen parent (who is not an ambassador or in the military). Aldo Bellei was RULED to have been naturalized at birth, but, since he did not fulfill all the requirements necessary to make that his citizenship final, he was STRIPPED of his citizenship. Yet, per a different SCOTUS ruling, natural born citizens CANNOT have their citizenship revoked against their will.
    SCOTUS ruled that Aldo Bellei, and any “person in plaintiff Bellei’s position” was NOT natural born, but naturalized.
    Cruz is a U.S. citizen. He is not a natural born citizens. Adminstrative judges in New Jersey don’t get to overrule the Supreme Court of the United States. Heck, by his own admission, the NJ Sec of State can overrule him!
    https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/401/815/case.html

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    Joey April 13, 2016 at 11:46 am #

    Interesting political dynamics come next. Judge Masin’s advisory opinion goes to New Jersey’s Lieutenant Governor & Secretary of State Kim Guadagno. She can accept Masin’s ruling, reject Masin’s ruling or accept the ruling in part.
    Governor Christie has endorsed Donald Trump for the nomination.

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    Sam the Centipede April 13, 2016 at 12:18 pm #

    gorefan: I thought that was maybe his weakest argument.

    ” Congress has no power over this process for choosing the President and Vice President, except where a tie vote occurs, when Congress chooses the President and Vice President.”

    Members of Congress can raise an objection during the counting of the electoral votes and if enough agree, throw out the votes for an ineligible President-elect or Vice-President-elect.

    Still IMO, this will be the Cruz Birthers Ankeny decision.It will be cited from now on as a persuasive argument for his being a natural born citizen.

    With standing out of the way Mario should appeal all the way to the Supreme Court.

    I too was surprised to see that statement, and I agree with you.

    I didn’t think much of Judge Masin’s reasoning. He has slipped into that lawyer-friendly trap of arguing that ancient and irrelevant English common law applies.

    The alternative (and I am convinced the correct) interpretation is that “natural born” is a simple and clear English phrase meaning “born with that nature” (that nature being citizenship). It’s an archaic phrase, but it is plain English. Going down some rabbit hole of defunct foreign common law is idiotic. The principle to be applied is that the plain language interpretation of a law applies unless there is good reason to believe otherwise.

    I don’t understand why so many lawyers can’t understand the English language. Even the non-racist, non-nutter ones struggle with this simple concept.

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    Scientist April 13, 2016 at 1:22 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: At one time I was leaning toward the view that the definition was not justiciable, but I found Judge Pellegrini’s argument persuasive, and Judge Masin even more so.

    I think presence on a state ballot is justiciable. Once you get into the Electoral College and Congress’s review of those results, I would argue otherwise. Those carefully-constructed procedures seem superfluous if the matter ultimately rests in the hands of the judiciary.

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    Rickey April 13, 2016 at 2:04 pm #

    It’s worth noting that standing in state courts is not necessarily the same as standing in Federal court. That is why we got a decision on the merits in the Ankeny case.

    I recall that back in 2012 (or earlier) some legal expert argued that because of standing no ballot challenge was ever going to prevail in Federal court, but that it might in a state court. I have forgotten who wrote that.

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    JoZeppy April 13, 2016 at 3:33 pm #

    bovril: I will admit to being somewhat surprised, I was of a strong belief that this would be kicked to the curb either as lack of standing or on the grounds that the SoS has no legislative authority to rule on eligibility.

    I think the difference we are now see is that there are real lawyers involved (even law school professors) who find the question of Cruz’s eligibility an interesting question of law that is not fully settled, and can actually find situations where there would be standing, and it would be justiciable…and it doesn’t hurt that they can draft compelling arguments to support those positions. A stark contrast to Orly, who couldn’t even handle simple word processing and getting her cut and paste work in a single font, much less draft a compelling legal argument, and trying to argue conspiracy theories and junk law.

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    Scientist April 13, 2016 at 5:10 pm #

    JoZeppy: I think the difference we are now see is that there are real lawyers involved

    Better call Saul….

  14. avatar
    Joey April 13, 2016 at 6:32 pm #

    Scientist: Better call Saul….

    Now THAT was funny!

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2016 at 6:39 pm #

    It’s been a while, but I think that is one of the things Charles Gordon wrote in his 1968 paper.

    Rickey: I recall that back in 2012 (or earlier) some legal expert argued that because of standing no ballot challenge was ever going to prevail in Federal court, but that it might in a state court. I have forgotten who wrote that.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2016 at 11:56 pm #

    I don’t think that helps. We are still left with two questions:

    1) Who was born with the nature of a citizen as contemplated by those who ratified the Constitution?

    2) Are persons born citizens overseas born with the nature of a citizen, or just folks who get the label tacked on at birth by some statute?

    Sam the Centipede: The alternative (and I am convinced the correct) interpretation is that “natural born” is a simple and clear English phrase meaning “born with that nature” (that nature being citizenship).

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    brygenon April 14, 2016 at 1:26 am #

    Matt Schilling: I wonder why the judge did not consider The SCOTUS case Rogers v Bellei (1971), which deals directly with the issue of a child born outside the U.S. to a single American citizen parent (who is not an ambassador or in the military).

    Back in 2008 the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California did consider Rogers v Bellei in determining whether a foreign-born citizen-from-birth was a natural-born citizen; Robinson v. Bowen, 567 F. Supp. 2d 1144. Before the real judge on the bench of the real court, Rogers v Bellei played in *favor* of the candidate being eligible.

    Matt Schilling: Cruz is a U.S. citizen. He is not a natural born citizens. Adminstrative judges in New Jersey don’t get to overrule the Supreme Court of the United States.

    What courts do net commenters get to overrule?

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    bob April 14, 2016 at 2:41 am #

    Cruz also good to go in Texas.

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    bob April 14, 2016 at 2:56 am #

    New Jersey’s Lieutenant Governor adopts ALJ’s recommendation.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) April 14, 2016 at 4:17 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Who was born with the nature of a citizen as contemplated by those who ratified the Constitution?

    As a general comment, it goes to show again that the Constitution is far from being the perfect quasi-“divine” document some make it out to be (we already knew that from it taking several amendments over more than a century to treat people who aren’t white males as equal) – and that the whole concept of “originalism” is on pretty shaky ground when such an elementary part of the Constitution can still provoke lengthy discussions centuries later.

    (A similar discussion arises every time that, in one way to word it, SCOTUS “invents” a new right that is not spelled out in the Constitution – in Germany we had similar situations with things like the “right to informational self-determination” with which our highest court declared far-reaching surveillance laws unconstitutional.)

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    Scientist April 14, 2016 at 6:27 am #

    The Magic M (not logged in): (A similar discussion arises every time that, in one way to word it, SCOTUS “invents” a new right that is not spelled out in the Constitution

    The Constitution is a floor on rights, not a ceiling. Human rights exist whether spelled out in the Constitution or not.

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    Scientist April 14, 2016 at 6:31 am #

    bob: New Jersey’s Lieutenant Governor adopts ALJ’s recommendation.

    The SoS notes that the objectors actually missed the deadline by 2 hours, but she accepted their protest anyway, though rejecting it on the merits. Yet again, we see the birthers, on a matter they consider of the utmost importance to the future of the Universe, unable to accomplish simple tasks like filing on time.

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    pigdin April 14, 2016 at 9:08 am #

    Regarding the treatment of Bellei in Robinson v. Bowen, although an internet commentator cannot overrule a district court, a district court cannot overrule the Supreme Court either. (Still unlikely any court will declare any candidate ineligible, regardless of circumstances.)

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 14, 2016 at 6:04 pm #

    I think at least when there is no clear precedent to go on, a court is not going to declare someone ineligible.

    I have read a few opinions in cases where judiciability was an issue, and in those cases the judge said that it was the responsibility of the court to hear the cases that come before it, with narrow exceptions. Given the potential harm a ruling against Cruz could have caused, and the lack of any legal consensus on the question, I don’t see how a lower court judge would rule Cruz ineligible.

    pigdin: (Still unlikely any court will declare any candidate ineligible, regardless of circumstances.)

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    bob April 14, 2016 at 6:15 pm #

    There’s also the real-world issue that the question of Cruz’s eligibility will likely be moot by July.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 14, 2016 at 6:41 pm #

    Wow! Dismissed for lack of standing. Who saw THAT coming?

    bob: Cruz also good to go in Texas.

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    Rickey April 15, 2016 at 12:21 am #

    Matt Schilling:

    SCOTUS ruled that Aldo Bellei, and any “person in plaintiff Bellei’s position” was NOT natural born, but naturalized.

    Actually, SCOTUS did not make that ruling. The language you are referring to appears in the dissent, not in the majority opinion.

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    Dave B. April 15, 2016 at 2:30 am #

    Uh, no, per that “different SCOTUS ruling,” naturalized citizens can’t have their citizenship revoked against their will either.

    Matt Schilling: Aldo Bellei was RULED to have been naturalized at birth, but, since he did not fulfill all the requirements necessary to make that his citizenship final, he was STRIPPED of his citizenship. Yet, per a different SCOTUS ruling, natural born citizens CANNOT have their citizenship revoked against their will.

  29. avatar
    Reality Check April 15, 2016 at 6:46 am #

    I was very impressed by Masin’s opinion. Does anyone know if Mario’s latest loss was memorialized on video?

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    Dave B. April 15, 2016 at 3:09 pm #

    Everybody seems to want to know that. I sure do. Meanwhile, Mario is proclaiming that “both New Jersey ALJ Jeff Masin and Lt. Gov. Kim Guadango got it wrong that Cruz is a natural born citizen.”

    http://www.trentonian.com/government-and-politics/20160414/lt-gov-guadagno-accepts-canadian-born-cruz-as-us-natural-born-citizen

    Reality Check:
    I was very impressed by Masin’s opinion. Does anyone know if Mario’s latest loss was memorialized on video?

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    Dave B. April 15, 2016 at 3:23 pm #

    And apparently Victor Williams got some Mario on him:

    http://victorwilliamsforpresident.com/shame-on-lt-govseretary-of-state-kim-guadagno

    “My first instinct was to announce that it was time to go find a real judge.”

    I hadn’t formed much of an opinion about this guy, but this is some classic birther dumbassery here.

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    CRJ April 15, 2016 at 3:50 pm #

    Why call them [ administrative law judge(s) ] why don’t they call them [Executive Branch Administration Judges] They could add.. [For Obama and not necessarily bound to Foreign Interest] to be accurate, but in this occasion they are.

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    CRJ April 15, 2016 at 4:00 pm #

    bob: There’s also the real-world issue that the question of Cruz’s eligibility will likely be moot by July.

    Agreed, but no one expects him to be the Nominee. If he managed that his Ineligibility would be Game-On in the General Election from D’s.

    Dr. Conspiracy: Given the potential harm a ruling against Cruz could have caused, and the lack of any legal consensus on the question, I don’t see how a lower court judge would rule Cruz ineligible.

    Agreed. Once the kitties of so many Grandma’s and Grandpa’s gets High-Jacked the Government goes “all in”.

    That’s interesting narative because the SS Marriage green light started by a DISTRICT COURT Judge agreeing which shifted the burden to State Representation to over-come on Appeal. Utah spent 11 Million in Appeals to change the District Court Judges Ruling.

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    Northland10 April 15, 2016 at 5:08 pm #

    pigdin:
    Regarding the treatment of Bellei in Robinson v. Bowen, although an internet commentator cannot overrule a district court,a district court cannot overrule the Supreme Court either.(Still unlikely any court will declare any candidate ineligible, regardless of circumstances.)

    My opinion has been that the only case SCOTUS would take up is one where the candidate was kept off the ballot and the candidate sued. Even then the court could have punted and only ruled on whether the state could remove a candidate. Peta Lindsay never appealed the 9th’s ruling.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 15, 2016 at 6:15 pm #

    The Constitution assignment of determining eligibility to Congress only applies to the president elect. I don’t see how it cannot be determined for candidates somewhere else at an earlier time. Certainly states exclude candidates for any number of reasons, such as not getting 5000 signatures in New Jersey or being under age in California, New York and Hawaii.

    gorefan: I thought that was maybe his weakest argument.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 15, 2016 at 8:36 pm #

    As opposed to an “unreal judge”?

    Dave B.: “My first instinct was to announce that it was time to go find a real judge.”

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 15, 2016 at 8:53 pm #

    The Post & Email has a piece by Apuzzo on the hearing. Apparently Apuzzo raised the Internet rumor issue, but didn’t present any evidence. He wanted the judge to declare that Cruz had a burden of proof in the face of these doubts.

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2016/04/11/exclusive-atty-mario-apuzzo-on-new-jersey-ballot-challenge-hearing/

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    brygenon April 16, 2016 at 3:10 pm #

    pigdin: Regarding the treatment of Bellei in Robinson v. Bowen, although an internet commentator cannot overrule a district court, a district court cannot overrule the Supreme Court either.

    Then you understood none of it, so I’ll explain: The judges did not go against the Supreme Court. The net newbies deluded themselves into thinking they understand the precedents better than do the judges.

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    bob April 16, 2016 at 6:42 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    The Post & Email has a piece by Apuzzo on the hearing. Apparently Apuzzo raised the Internet rumor issue, but didn’t present any evidence. He wanted the judge to declare that Cruz had a burden of proof in the face of these doubts.

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2016/04/11/exclusive-atty-mario-apuzzo-on-new-jersey-ballot-challenge-hearing/

    Which is essentially what Apuzzo did in 2012.

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    CRJ April 16, 2016 at 10:56 pm #

    After careful examination reading the Executive Court Administrative Law Judges Masin’s Opinion in New Jersey in the matter filed questioning Sen. Cruz’s Eligibility for the Office of President, I find it Obsurd on many Levels.

    1- On page 8 he infers that “Born in the U.S.” is not attributed to Naturalization and in such dismissed cause and reason to the 14th Amendment.

    2-On page 9 The Judge infers that “Subjects” of the King were so qualified to be King and for the the Kingship, as he infers “Subject” was the equivalent of “Citizen”. Of course such would be the laughing stock in the King’s Court the Judge seen as the Joker subject to ridiculous and rancid ridicule.

    3- Page 12 Why are children of a Foreign Parent attributed a naturalization or adopted statute by Congress in The Title 8 Naturalization Act Citizens at Birth and Foreigners §1401 (a-h)? Clearly condescending or breaching to his opinion.

    4- Page 16 Judge Mason goes to great length first to establish the Common Law of England as our own when our Founders made clear the perils of English Common Law had drifted so far away from the much more sturdy laws of nature as to give cause for Revolution. Judge Masin acknowledges ever so slightly with reference of Vatell’s work in France.

    Judge Masin regards a “Judicial Heritage” but denies the Legislative Mandates of the U.S. Congress striking down 8 attempts since 2002 to change the meaning of [natural born Citizen] to something other than [Born in the U.S. to Citizen Parents] preferring Parliament’s foggy bottom as remotely close to [subject] able to contest the Thrown of the King as a [Natural Born Citizen] can run for U.S. President. This is offensive to common sense, let alone common law and throws down his illogical stack of cards.

    Subjects given status as adopted by the King were given such to claim defense, to be taxed, and perhaps to own property, as soldiers were sending money home and having children abroad with foreigners, but never did that extension confer the right to run for King in an Election every four years. Totally Obsurd and mischievous to think of in English Common Law for subjects.

    5- Page 17 In what could be called a Grand Dialectical Larceny, Judge Masin equates “Naturalization” to equalize “natural born Subject” that leaves the child conceived in no better footing to heir as one Adopted and on equal terms of born of the same mother and father. Hence he ruled Adoption the new process of Conception and ones Signiture to adopt as tools of reproduction defying both Parent any satisfaction of copulation. Why no wonder the wives-tales of “not holding hands” as pregnancy was imminent?

    6- Page 17 Judge Masin acknowledges Art. 2, Sect 1, C-5, but never digest John Jay , George Washington, and all the Founders were in fact [Naturalized] by that Qualification clause in stating [Citizens at the Time of the Adoption of this Constitution] so to his [Jay’s] children born abroad would be considered eligible under this considered Adopted Time Frame. This renders his quagmire of a quary a mindless bog of the Standard we call the U.S. Constitution.

    Our Founders knew indisputably they were not [natural born Citizens] but Citizens, and as the U.S. Constitution was Adopted and the Soverienty of a New Nation born, their heirs would be [ natural born Citizens] when Born in the States to Citizen Parents [natural born Citizen] Americans.

    Judge Masin gives cresdence to every word with the reference to Mayberry v. Madison, but fails to plite the course that [natural Born Citizens] cannot be Adopted, as naturalization invites. Neither do men put new wine into old bottles Matt 9:17. He does show an understanding of differences between 1790 and 1795 but fails to address this same fact- Natural Born Citizens cannot be naturalized unless an absurdity or oddity of nature is employed most unnatural.

    7- Page 24 While Judge Masin spent half his papered Opinion making homage to English Common Law, he spent the good portion of the latter setting it aside as heretical to American Standards as he lashed at English common law with the Equal Protection Laws in the U.S. Constitution; speaking of equality of mother and father in the deposit of Inherited Citizenship to a child, over-ruling English Common Law.

    Judge Masin offered no argument as to why Cruz’s Father’s Cuban Citizenship should not be equally honored in the person of Ted Cruz, or perhaps his father’s Adopted State of Canada that Cruz denounced 20 months ago.

    Of course Judge Masin did not consider Cuba’s Warning that those children born to Cuban Parents in foreign lands might be subjected to Cuba’s Military Draft nor did he elaborate on the Equal Respected Protection of Inherited Citizenship with a Foreign Parent choosing instead to “let those problems of Dual Citizenship be worked out later”.

    When, for instance a U.S. President was called to destroy his father or mother’s Foreign Country and refused with his heart as loving that Country more , or that he sought vengence with and as head of the U.S. Military for the grief that Foreign Country caused his parents ousting them by torment. Thus setting up his whole life’s ambition to get to the Red Button and carpet bombed the whole Foreign Nation to kill the leader with his fractured allegiances leading him all the way.

    There are lots of reasons Dual Citizenship by parent or Place was forbidden in the Office of President, we just haven’t found a Judge yet willing to take them into account on the merits of our Economical Safety and National Security as our Congress deliberated with witnesses in 2002.

    You can Read Judge Masin’s Whole 26 page Opinion following the Link given in this Story
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2016/04/cruz-good-to-go-in-new-jersey-too/

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    Dave B. April 17, 2016 at 12:56 am #

    That’s incomprehensible on so many levels.

    CRJ: Obsurd on many Levels.

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    Daniel April 17, 2016 at 2:15 am #

    Funny how many of our past Presidents managed to get around that supposed rule about Dual Citizenship being forbidden to a President, CRJ….

    You know…. the rule you made up….

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    Scientist April 17, 2016 at 6:28 am #

    Daniel: Funny how many of our past Presidents managed to get around that supposed rule about Dual Citizenship being forbidden to a President, CRJ….

    However, Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr were unable to get around the problem of Duel Citizens becoming President.

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    Notorial Dissent April 17, 2016 at 9:23 am #

    Even for CRJ that was incomprehensible mishmash.

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    bob April 17, 2016 at 12:22 pm #

    Notorial Dissent:
    Even for CRJ that was incomprehensible mishmash.

    Meanwhile, back in the reality-based world, the Lt. Guv’r has adopted the ALJ’s recommendation.

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    Rickey April 17, 2016 at 2:17 pm #

    Notorial Dissent:
    Even for CRJ that was incomprehensible mishmash.

    Rarely do we get to see an essay so replete with misspellings and malapropisms.

    Obsurd?

    Thrown of the King?

    signiture?

    quary?

    Soverienty?

    cresdence?

    plite?

    vengence?

    Mayberry v. Madison?

    “Word salad” doesn’t do this one justice.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 17, 2016 at 4:41 pm #

    Perhaps Madison was the name of the judge (played by William Quinn) that appeared in an episode of Mayberry R. F. D.

    Rickey: Mayberry v. Madison?

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    Northland10 April 17, 2016 at 5:47 pm #

    Rickey: “Word salad” doesn’t do this one justice.

    It might if you tossed it in a blender with some fish guts and 6 month old milk.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 17, 2016 at 6:50 pm #

    Like the 14 years residency requirement, the “natural born Citizen” requirement is a test of American soil. This natural-born soil test is required only for the nation’s highest federal office – the presidency.

    — Prof. Victor Williams
    — Ted Cruz ballot challenge in New Jersey

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 17, 2016 at 6:57 pm #

    FIFY

    Northland10: It might if you tossed it in a blender Bass-O-Matic with some fish guts and 6 month old milk.

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    Rickey April 17, 2016 at 11:47 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Perhaps Madison was the name of the judge (played by William Quinn) that appeared in an episode of Mayberry R. F. D.

    Good one!

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    Lupin April 18, 2016 at 2:15 am #

    CRJ: Dual Citizenship by parent or Place was forbidden in the Office of President

    Interesting. CRJ appears to have introduced a new egg in his salad: d.c. “by parent or place” is still a no-no, but obviously seeking it or accepting it later in life is OK?

    Dare I imagine that he modified his “thinking” (loosely speaking) to take into account the case of Madison with which I hammered him a while ago?

    That said, if loyalty is the issue here (as it seems from CRJ’s logorrhea) one would have to demonstrate why willfully becoming a dual citizen later in life is somehow OK, while being born one is not.

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    Rickey April 18, 2016 at 10:21 am #

    Lupin:

    That said, if loyalty is the issue here (as it seems from CRJ’s logorrhea) one would have to demonstrate why willfully becoming a dual citizen later in life is somehow OK, while being born one is not.

    That is a conundrum which the Vattelist birthers always avoid addressing.

    I was born in the United States to two citizen parents who also were born in the United States, so I am a natural born citizen even by CRJ’s tortured reasoning. However, my paternal grandmother was born in Ireland, which makes me eligible for Irish citizenship. If I were to get dual citizenship, would I no longer be a natural born citizen of the U.S.? If “natural born” is based upon natural law, how could I lose that status without renouncing my U.S. citizenship? I have posed that question to birthers several times and have never gotten an answer.

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    CRJ April 18, 2016 at 11:18 am #

    Rickey: That is a conundrum which the Vattelist birthers always avoid addressing.

    I was born in the United States to two citizen parents who also were born in the United States, so I am a natural born citizen even by CRJ’s tortured reasoning. However, my paternal grandmother was born in Ireland, which makes me eligible for Irish citizenship. If I were to get dual citizenship, would I no longer be a natural born citizen of the U.S.? If “natural born” is based upon natural law, how could I lose that status without renouncing my U.S. citizenship? I have posed that question to birthers several times and have never gotten an answer.

    One thing I’ll say for Anti-Birthers is that it is only by the severest means of torture that they will listen, haha haha 😂 Ahhh Rickey-tickey-tembo I love ya!

    Of course every time he poses the old Irish hiccup he gets an answer but it’s just not one he wants to digest.

    And the WHOLE BASIS of Freedom and Liberty is predicated on Choice as well as Rights. For what are rights without choice?

    In your assumptions of [natural born Citizen] you wish to pin it down forever. As if we are fools enough to Vote for known Traitors who are [ natural born Citizens] while in the next breathe you purpose Ted Cruz Canadian and forget his English Common Law natural born Citizenship to Cuba.

    Of course other requirements attest to loyalty and allegiance including a longer time in this life than is the requirement for Representatives and Senators and then the Residency of 14 years which is not understood in either the Reps’ or Sens’.

    You suppose for an instance the TIME it takes to be [Born in the U.S. to Citizen Parents] unspoilable by a formal or sign Declaration of Allegiance to another Country?

    Certainly only a Fool would grasp and hold to that it seems to me.

    Of course we allow People to leave the USA and join in allegiance to other Countries. Obama has killed such too, without any Criminal Trial Court or hesitation for Traitorous action of their choice.

    [In 2013, the U.S. Justice Department confirmed that four U.S. citizens, including cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, had been killed by CIA drone strikes since 2009. Awlaki, a U.S.-born Muslim known as a gifted preacher who incited attacks against the West, was killed in 2011 in a strike in Yemen]

    A [natural born Citizen] can lose that status of Eligibility for President with a Foreign Declaration of Loyalty as easy as renouncing his own name or Country. That part is much easier and should be than the TIME it takes to get the Standard.

    We respect your Choice in denying your Rights.

    Our Courts live and breath “Dismissals” for Failure to Prosecute all the Time. Of course that is a reversal and inside out, but the point is we follow your Choice of allegiances with Drones.

    We *ucken hate Traitors as the Anti Establishment movements on full display attest. Rooting them out may take some time, but it will happen.

    The message is clear. Dual Citizenship is not a Qualification for the Office of President, neither is 34 years of age, or 13 years a Resident.

    So quit making it out like they are. Not that it matters in your Case, your not Running for President.

    Rickey: Notorial Dissent:
    Even for CRJ that was incomprehensible mishmash.

    Rarely do we get to see an essay so replete with misspellings and malapropisms.

    Obsurd?

    Thrown of the King?

    signiture?

    quary?

    Soverienty?

    cresdence?

    plite?

    vengence?

    Mayberry v. Madison?

    “Word salad” doesn’t do this one justice.

    I always put a few mis-spellings in my work so I can see by the “testament of correction” who has read it completely that they may also be responsible to the intelligence.

    Of course for the Record I adopt the Correct Spellings by my clerks with appreciation.

    Of course it is the gift of single sentence rebuffs to auto correct many more times and thus stand correct.

    The wisdom of Kindergartners is also similiarly corrected by teachers.

  55. avatar
    Daniel April 18, 2016 at 11:21 am #

    You dance Divinely CRJ.

    How fortunate for us that you are of no consequence, whatsoever.

    How many delegates do you think you’ll be getting in the New York Primary?

  56. avatar
    CRJ April 18, 2016 at 11:27 am #

    Daniel: You dance Divinely CRJ.

    Thank You.. I expect to do as well as they have been given Choice.

  57. avatar
    bob April 18, 2016 at 11:46 am #

    Actual kindergarteners don’t tell ridiculous lies about the illiteracy. And some can spell better than Judy.

    And some can recognize sarcasm, unlikely Judy.

  58. avatar
    Rickey April 18, 2016 at 4:49 pm #

    CRJ:

    Not that it matters in your Case, your not Running for President.

    Yet I have the same number of delegates as you.

  59. avatar
    Scientist April 18, 2016 at 4:50 pm #

    CRJ: Dual Citizenship is not a Qualification for the Office of President

    You are correct. You don’t have to be a dual citizen to be President.

  60. avatar
    CRJ April 18, 2016 at 5:57 pm #

    Rickey: Yet I have the same number of delegates as you.

    You got me!😉👍
    Want to see LAW? #SCOTUS 14-9396 #LegalNews @elhauge Lawrence Tribe , #NewYorkPrimary #Democrats #Birther @ABC2020 https://t.co/BcnCVypGdB

    https://twitter.com/CodyRobertJudy/status/722163827513565186

  61. avatar
    Rickey April 18, 2016 at 10:27 pm #

    CRJ: 14-9396

    You are pathetic. 14-9396 is dead and buried, never to be resurrected. Nobody other than you cares about it.

  62. avatar
    Daniel April 18, 2016 at 10:44 pm #

    CRJ: Want to see LAW?

    If we did, we wouldn’t be looking to you for it.

  63. avatar
    CRJ April 19, 2016 at 2:34 am #

    Breaking Breaking Breaking News in New Jersey!

    Governor Chris Christie and Lt. Gov Kim Guadagno receive NOTICE OF INTENT to sue if Sen. Cruz is made the GOP R Nominee by Democratic Party Presidential Candidate Cody Robert Judy.

    @KimGuadagnoNJ @GovChristie Notice #TedCruz #Cruz2016 #NBCtzn @realDonaldTrump #Democrats
    Facebook: Cody Robert Judy for President 2016
    https://t.co/5rF65hDiTJ

    Twitter: @codyrobertjudy
    https://t.co/sZssMdnple

    Also!
    Mario Apuzzo files Objection of Masin’s Opinion with Lt. Gov New Jersey on behalf of Petitioners in the Ballot Challenge.

    Read on SCRIBD:
    “Atty Mario Apuzzo filed Exceptions to NJ LtGov Challenging Admin Judge Masin Decision to Leave Ted Cruz on Ballot” on Scribd. Read more:

    http://scribd.com/doc/308404277

    Only one word is mis-spelled “Off” can YOU find it Rickey? 😂

  64. avatar
    bob April 19, 2016 at 3:04 am #

    CRJ:
    Governor Chris Christie and Lt. Gov Kim Guadagno receive NOTICE OF INTENT to sue if Sen. Cruz is made the GOP R Nominee by Democratic Party Presidential Candidate Cody Robert Judy.

    As Judy lacks standing, it will be ignored, just as everyone ignores everything that Judy does (except his terroristic act; that people noticed).

    Also!
    Mario Apuzzo files Objection of Masin’s Opinion with Lt. Gov New Jersey on behalf of Petitioners in the Ballot Challenge.

    Also! Apuzzo’s objection has already been overruled.

  65. avatar
    Keith (not logged on) April 19, 2016 at 7:18 am #

    CRJ: Breaking Breaking Breaking News in New Jersey!

    Governor Chris Christie and Lt. Gov Kim Guadagno receive NOTICE OF INTENT to sue if Sen. Cruz is made the GOP R Nominee by Democratic Party Presidential Candidate Cody Robert Judy.

    BREAKING BREAKING BREAKING!!!!!!!

    BREAKING news in the state of reality!

    WGAF about CRJ’s fantasy lawsuits in New Jersey?

  66. avatar
    CRJ April 19, 2016 at 9:52 am #

    Keith (not logged on): WGAF about CRJ’s fantasy lawsuits in New Jersey?

    Ummm, ? Those who comment and are not logged on?

  67. avatar
    CRJ April 19, 2016 at 10:05 am #

    bob: Also! Apuzzo’s objection has already been overruled.

    As if you constantly need to be reminded it’s an Executive Branch Court and forget there are three Courts to go to above that Court to rest in the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Have you forgotten Judy v. Obama 12-5276 that went to the U.S. Supreme Court that started out in the same ballot challenge court in Georgia?

    Objections are noticed and can be submitted as evidence., not to mention used in someone’s Election Campaign. In the future.

    [“The place of the senator’s birth is undisputed, as is the fact that Senator Cruz’s mother was a United States citizen at the time she gave birth to the senator,” Ms. Guadagno said in her ruling.]

    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/13/ted-cruz-natural-born-citizen-eligibility-challeng/

  68. avatar
    bob April 19, 2016 at 12:32 pm #

    CRJ: As if you constantly need to be reminded it’s an Executive Branch Court and forget there are three Courts to go to above that Court to rest in the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Judy is yet again wrong: the Lieutenant Governor has already overruled the objections that Apuzzo had filed. If Apuzzo wants to waste the courts’ time with yet more review, he may, but at this point Cruz will be on the New Jersey ballot.

    Have you forgotten Judy v. Obama 12-5276 that went to the U.S. Supreme Court that started out in the same ballot challenge court in Georgia?

    How could anyone forget Orly Taitz losing to an empty chair?

  69. avatar
    Rickey April 20, 2016 at 10:58 am #

    CRJ:
    Breaking Breaking Breaking News in New Jersey!

    Governor Chris Christie and Lt. Gov Kim Guadagno receive NOTICE OF INTENT to sue if Sen. Cruz is made the GOP R Nominee by Democratic Party Presidential Candidate Cody Robert Judy.

    So if Cruz gets the Republican nomination, you’re going to sue New Jersey? How is that going to keep him from being the Republican candidate?

    Mario Apuzzo files Objection of Masin’s Opinion with Lt. Gov New Jersey on behalf of Petitioners in the Ballot Challenge.

    Read on SCRIBD:“Atty Mario Apuzzo filed Exceptions to NJ LtGov Challenging Admin Judge Masin Decision to Leave Ted Cruz on Ballot” on Scribd. Read more:

    Only one word is mis-spelled “Off” can YOU find it Rickey?

    Sorry, class is not in session. I have better things to do with my time than read Apuzzo’s drivel.

  70. avatar
    Pete April 20, 2016 at 11:15 pm #

    Breaking! Breaking! Breaking!

    No one gives a s*** about CRJ’s birfering.

    I mean, not even on THIS site. And here you have the second most interested audience on earth.

    I don’t think anyone even gives a s*** over at Birfer Report.

    Cody, seriously, man. Why don’t you go and do something at least remotely significant with your life? Like earn a good living and be a good family man.

    That would be far more important, and significant, and meaningful, than any of your birfer activities.

    This is from someone who (oddly enough) cares enough to think it’s a shame to see you wasting your time.

  71. avatar
    bovril April 21, 2016 at 6:23 am #

    Actually the point I am interested in is why CRJ doesn’t post over at Birther Report ..?

    Hell between “William”, “BSE”, “RamboIke”, “furtive”, “systemictreason”(aka Strunk) and “NBC_Vic_Hearn” they seem to lurve them some crazy…….

  72. avatar
    Pete April 21, 2016 at 11:13 am #

    I don’t know.

    I hadn’t actually visited Barfer Report for months, I think. Went over there just now and the transformation is at least mildly interesting.

    Now that Obama birferism is pretty much over, it looks like they’ve gone full-bore batsh*t over “Canadian-born Ted Cruz.”

    I suppose if Cruz is elected President, then they’ll have a new lease on their pathetic life. Such as it is. If not… one wonders what they’ll do.

    It looks to me like their site remains mostly as a testament that we will always have the criminally idiotic among us.

    Sort of like infowars.com. And Carl Gallups.

  73. avatar
    Pete April 21, 2016 at 11:18 am #

    Just noticing that this birther stuff is kind of depressing.

    It’s such a ******* waste of human resources.

    Couldn’t birthers go out and mow lawns or something? Plant flowers? That would be of some use.

    At least it’s better than them dealing meth. I suppose I should comfort myself with that.

  74. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 21, 2016 at 5:30 pm #

    I was just looking at my article over at Gerbil Report about the shocking increase in the death rate in the birther demographic.

    http://www.gerbilreport.com/2015/12/my-advice-to-birthers.html

    Pete: Just noticing that this birther stuff is kind of depressing.

  75. avatar
    bob April 21, 2016 at 7:17 pm #

    Rickey: Yet I have the same number of delegates as you.

    And here’s the funny thing: Of the convicted felon birthers quixotically running for the Democratic nomination, Judy is in second place. Keith Judd has already received more than 8500 votes in 2016, compared to Judy’s zero votes.

  76. avatar
    Pete April 22, 2016 at 2:48 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I was just looking at my article over at Gerbil Report about the shocking increase in the death rate in the birther demographic.

    http://www.gerbilreport.com/2015/12/my-advice-to-birthers.html

    Avoid alcohol consumption to excess. If your friends are telling you that you have an alcohol problem, talk to a counselor to find out if they’re right.

    If you have thoughts of suicide, contact a suicide prevention hotline or a mental health professional. In the US call 1 (800) 273-8255.

    Limit your time on the Internet, particularly on web sites that increase your anxiety level, and make you feel afraid.

    Block Fox News from your TV channel list.

    Get out more, plan family outings, visit the park and breathe some fresh air.

    Join a service organization and enjoy the feeling of helping someone worse off than you are.

    Now I can heartily recommend every single item on that list to anyone, including birthers, non-birthers, and myself.