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The Fogbow Meetup in Baltimore is winding down. I got to make some new friends and renew some old friendships. I heard a lot of personal stories.

I know that everyone has skills, interests, trials, and things to celebrate, but sometimes this gets lost in the great leveler of humankind: commenting on the Internet. These stories add depth to the online personas–a lot of depth. What I learned is that a kind word, even online, can mean a lot more than one thinks. I learned that integrity means a lot to people. I learned that being on the right side of the birther issue doesn’t solve any of life’s challenges.

Some of the stories were origin stories–how someone got involved with the birther movement, or how someone found The Fogbow. While I have told my birther origin story any number of times, I did not really know how I found The Fogbow’s predecessor, Politijab. I was not one of the group of commenters from Obama Hub that fled the impending bans, and formed the anti-birther contingent at Politijab. Some of the Fogbow origin stories started here with readers of this blog, who learned about The Fogbow from reading this site and visited there. I found out tonight that I was one of those too. Following is a comment left on this blog January 23, 2009, by the screen name laughinghysterically:

New political discussion forum lauched! To talk intelligently about all things political!! There is a designated area for chatting about the “obama ineligibility” conspiracy theoriest lunatics and all of their continuing adventures in futility-land, from the Bergites to the Queen of Nitous Oxide to Ed Hale and his Bigfoot hunting!!

Lol! Come on by and register, you will surely find yourself among good company, and likely some old friends!!

Doc, I really hope you’ll join us, and you too bogus, and Doc, do you mind linking to us from here??
I’d really appreciate it!

http://www.politijab.com

By the next day, I had registered an account at Politijab and the rest is history. So thanks to laughinghysterically, whoever you are.

One question I was asked several time was what I was going to do after Obama leaves office. I do intend to keep the content of this site online, and I don’t plan to add new content after January 20, 2017. That said, the DoctorConspiracy.com domain is still in my name (today it points here), and that would give me the opportunity to branch out to other conspiracy theories. This is something that I’d have to think about because there are a lot of conspiracies out there.

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47 Responses to IRL

  1. avatar
    Reality Check May 22, 2016 at 11:02 am #

    I knew you were an early member at Politijab. I wish the forum could have kept that name when Foggy took over but I think Justin had thoughts of keeping Politijab open as a non Birther forum. I think it withered away when life got busy for him.

    For those who don’t know “bogus” in the comment refers to “Bogus Info” who was a great member at Politijab and commenter here I believe. I haven’t heard from her in a long time. I hope she is OK.

    I think I have mentioned on my radio show that I found Politijab by following a link posted by an ant–Birther in a comment at The Right Side of Life blog run by Birther Phil.

    I’d love to see you run the new blog Doc even if you only posted an article every now and then. It would be great to keep a place for the commenters here. I know many of us are also members of the Fogbow but some are not and the Fogbow is not their cup of tea. I think there is a unique group here. It would be sad to see it go away entirely.

  2. avatar
    Rickey May 22, 2016 at 6:21 pm #

    I learned about The Fogbow through this site. I post there occasionally but I find the site to be overly cluttered (too many topics). There are lots of brilliant people there, however.

    I agree with RC that it would be nice if Doc kept a blog going, although it likely would be less active that this one. It would give CRJ a place to keep us informed about his plans to run for president in 2020!

  3. avatar
    Bonsall Obot May 22, 2016 at 9:00 pm #

    … there are a lot of conspiracies out there.

    You only believe that because that’s what they want you to think.

  4. avatar
    Craig HS May 23, 2016 at 6:30 am #

    It’s all ONE conspiracy. The reptilians’ chemtrails mess with your brain and fool you into thinking there’s lots of little ones, so you don’t notice it!

  5. avatar
    CRJ May 23, 2016 at 1:10 pm #

    Bless your ❤ heart!

    Rickey: It would give CRJ a place to keep us informed about his plans to run for president in 2020!

    Doc has a great gift and his barbs are not so sharp that you don’t feel the country-welcoming-side of him even though I’ve never met him, I’d like to someday as well as Reality Check whose Radio Show program content doesn’t really matter because he’s got a Voice that’s like a cool breeze on a hot day.

    Least ways you’re not out killing people violating the door-bell barging in on other Nations like Obama is on Saturday nights trying to stirr WWIII!

    “LAWLESS OBAMA” NO RESPECT FOR ANY BORDERS- OPENS U.S. BORDERS & VIOLATING FOREIGN COUNTRIES BORDERS w Saturday Night Type Drone Strike Killing spree.

    No question, Obama is not a [natural born Citizen] and his fowl judgement deceiving America as well his willingness to deceive other Countries is proving the “Birther Case” against his LAWLESS Usurpation [wise].

    Saturdays drone strike, U.S. officials said was [authorized by Barack Obama] who seems is on a Rampage for World War III Violating other Countries Soverignty before Election 2016.

    #Democrats #DemDebate #BarackObama #Clinton2016 #Congress

    U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, acknowledged that Washington only notified Pakistan [after] the drone strike and kill.

    Pakistan protested on Sunday, saying the U.S. government did not inform Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif beforehand.
    “This is a violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty,” Sharif told reporters in London.
    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/afghan-taliban-leader-likely-killed-u-drone-strike-005719390.html

    One of the terrific things of not being elected in 2008 and 2012 is my candle isn’t extinguished like Obama’s is.

    If my Respect for our Founders and Framers were not heightened by the wisdom of [ natural born Citizen] ie. (Born in the U.S. to Citizen Parents) that Obama has managed to skirt with a flow of Foreign 💰 money oppressive to independence, my Relief is the Wisdom in two Terms not even the Media is bold enough to obfusicate like they did the [ natural born Citizen] qualification.

    Of course that’s minor compared to the Arbitrary , Economic Discriminatory Oppressors of the common man to justice the U.S. Supreme Court Justices have all Demonstrated by their cowardly denial of a Forma Pauperis Motion clearly shown below Federal Poverty Guidelines in Judy v. Obama 14-9396.

    Wouldn’t surprise me a bit if Trump replaces everyone of them thanks to the Democrats illicit and deceptive affair with DRONE-Happy-Killing–Constitutionally Unqualified- Obama whose match-stick is burning out and whose legacy is defined with Birthers.

    All for a stupid $10 long form birth certificate he concocted, I’m mean conjured up three years late.

    He certainly did a number on himself didn’t he for History? That’s as rough as leaving the WhiteHouse with ‘Water Gate’ as a necklace.

    Obama’s says , ‘BIRTHER’ conjurs up those horse entrails taken out in that movie Revnant.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2016/04/14/the-revenant-what-was-real-and-what-was-fake/

    [Good news for horse fans; bad news for fans of unusual sleeping bags – despite various reports to the contrary, Leo didn’t really climb inside a dead horse while filming The Revenant. (In the film, his character guts the corpse, before using it to keep warm during a storm.)]

    Like the Movies I’m sure there is much more to find out that wasn’t real about “Obama” giving great cause to keep this BLOG going and Open – the progress of deception of the very elect well documented for Future Generations.

  6. avatar
    Rickey May 23, 2016 at 2:02 pm #

    CRJ:

    Obama is not a [natural born Citizen] and his fowl judgement deceiving America as well his willingness to deceive other Countries is proving the “Birther Case” against his LAWLESS Usurpation [wise].

    Fowl judgment? Has he been eating too much chicken?

    U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, acknowledged that Washington only notified Pakistan [after] the drone strike and kill.

    Washington didn’t notify Pakistan before going in for Osama Bin Laden, either. The government of Pakistan is not particularly trustworthy and it’s likely that the bad guys would have been tipped off.

    One of the terrific things of not being elected in 2008 and 2012 is my candle isn’t extinguished like Obama’s is.

    The difference is that your candle has never been lit. Are you planning to attend the convention in Philadelphia?

    Have you read this about Trump’s ties to the mob?

    http://www.politico.eu/article/what-were-donald-trump-ties-to-mob-mafia-casino-atlantic-city-real-estate-investigation/

  7. avatar
    Pete May 23, 2016 at 2:28 pm #

    CRJ: No question, Obama is not a [natural born Citizen] and his fowl judgement deceiving America as well his willingness to deceive other Countries is proving the “Birther Case” against his LAWLESS Usurpation [wise].

    Aw, Jeez.

    Give it the f up already, Cody.

    Obama’s a natural born citizen. If you don’t understand that by now, it’s only because you’re stuck on being a willful idiot.

    There’s no “forged birth certificate,” any more than there is a tooth fairy who magically comes and leaves money under your pillow in exchange for lost teeth.

    And it doesn’t take 2 citizen parents to be a natural born citizen. In real life, legally speaking this is just as clear as it’s clear that the moon isn’t really made of green cheese.

    Your repeating total bullsh*t for years on end doesn’t make it any more true.

    My god. It’s like spending years of your life trying to convince people that the tooth fairy really exists, and the moon is made of green cheese.

    Yes, it really is THAT DAMN STUPID.

  8. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater May 23, 2016 at 2:28 pm #

    CRJ: No question, Obama is not a [natural born Citizen] and his fowl judgement deceiving America as well his willingness to deceive other Countries is proving the “Birther Case” against his LAWLESS Usurpation [wise].

    He’s in a bird judging contest? It’s judgment you fool

  9. avatar
    Rickey May 23, 2016 at 3:29 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: He’s in a bird judging contest?It’s judgment you fool

    “Judgement” is acceptable in the U.K. I’m beginning to think that CRJ isn’t a natural born citizen. Where is his birth certificate?

  10. avatar
    bob May 23, 2016 at 4:24 pm #

    CRJ: One of the terrific things of not being elected in 2008 and 2012 is my candle isn’t extinguished like Obama’s is.

    Another terrific thing about Judy not being elected (in 2008, 2012, or ever) is that Judy wasn’t elected, thereby allowing the grown-ups to govern.

  11. avatar
    justlw May 23, 2016 at 4:46 pm #

    CRJ: One of the terrific things of not being elected in 2008 and 2012 is my candle isn’t extinguished like Obama’s is.

    Exactly how I feel about not being drafted by the Warriors in 2014 and 2015! Steph who?

  12. avatar
    Northland10 May 23, 2016 at 6:33 pm #

    CRJ: One of the terrific things of not being elected in 2008 and 2012 is my candle isn’t extinguished like Obama’s is.

    All Presidents have had either years of experience in elected office or were previously appointed to cabinet or high ranking military office.

    You have none of that experience and have not even tried. You do not even have decades of high-level business experience. If you were serious about anything, you would start running for smaller offices first.

    You sound like a lazy whiner that does not want to do the hard work required.

  13. avatar
    Reality Check May 23, 2016 at 8:13 pm #

    Pete,

    Now you’ve done it. You have spoiled things for Tooth Fairy believers everywhere.

    Seriously, is Judy so delusional as to be borderline mentally ill? I am beginning to think so. The man needs professional counseling. I doubt he can afford it though.
    .

    Pete: Aw, Jeez.

    Give it the f up already, Cody.

    Obama’s a natural born citizen. If you don’t understand that by now, it’s only because you’re stuck on being a willful idiot.

    There’s no “forged birth certificate,” any more than there is a tooth fairy who magically comes and leaves money under your pillow in exchange for lost teeth.

    And it doesn’t take 2 citizen parents to be a natural born citizen. In real life, legally speaking this is just as clear as it’s clear that the moon isn’t really made of green cheese.

    Your repeating total bullsh*t for years on end doesn’t make it any more true.

    My god. It’s like spending years of your life trying to convince people that the tooth fairy really exists, and the moon is made of green cheese.

    Yes, it really is THAT DAMN STUPID.

  14. avatar
    Lupin May 24, 2016 at 8:59 am #

    I found a better way to read CRJ’s posts. Run them through a Swedish Chef converter.

    For example, the barely coherent and unintelligible:

    No question, Obama is not a [natural born Citizen] and his fowl judgement deceiving America as well his willingness to deceive other Countries is proving the “Birther Case” against his LAWLESS Usurpation [wise].

    becomes:

    Nu quoestiun, Oubema is nut a [netuorel burn CEEtizee-a] und hees fuol juodgement deceefing Imerica is vell hees villeengness tu deceefe-a ouzeer Cuountries is prufing zee-a “Burzeer Cese-a” igeenst hees LEVLESS Usuorpetiun [vise-a]. Bork Bork Bork!

    which I grant you is equally incoherent, but a lot funnier.

  15. avatar
    Lupin May 24, 2016 at 9:00 am #

    Ah, yes, the link:

    http://funtranslations.com/chef

  16. avatar
    Lupin May 24, 2016 at 9:01 am #

    Reality Check: Seriously, is Judy so delusional as to be borderline mentally ill? I am beginning to think so.

    Of course he is.

  17. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater May 24, 2016 at 12:17 pm #

    I ran it through a gibberish translator:
    block blickblib, obama flipflop blickblock blip [natural blibidy citizen] blickblock blickblock fowl judgement deceiving america flipflop blickblib blickblock willingness flipflop deceive blibblob countries flipflop proving blip “birther case” blob blickblock lawless usurpation [wise].

    Sounds just as normal

  18. avatar
    Rickey May 24, 2016 at 12:49 pm #

    Reality Check:

    Seriously, is Judy so delusional as to be borderline mentally ill? I am beginning to think so. The man needs professional counseling. I doubt he can afford it though..

    There must be a diagnosis for someone who is utterly incapable of being embarrassed. He must desperately crave the attention, even if it is all negative attention.

  19. avatar
    laker1 May 24, 2016 at 1:51 pm #

    There is such a diagnosis and Mr. Judy has been diagnosed as “delusional”. See http://www.deseretnews.com/article/293492/JUDY-PLEADS-GUILTY-TO-BOMB-THREAT.html?pg=all

    It may be that his delusions are symptoms of some other psychological disorder or are the disorder itself. Given the incoherent statements here, it appears that whatever the disorder, it has become worse. This is sad.

  20. avatar
    Pete May 24, 2016 at 2:03 pm #

    A delusional disorder. Cody, I hope you’re getting help for this.

  21. avatar
    Arthur B. May 24, 2016 at 2:06 pm #

    laker1: There is such a diagnosis and Mr. Judy has been diagnosed as “delusional”.

    Thank you for posting this. I hadn’t seen it before.

    I don’t know how others will react, but I won’t be mocking Mr. Judy any more. (FWIW, I made the same decision several years ago with regard to “butterdezillion.”)

  22. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 24, 2016 at 7:39 pm #

    This is partly what I was thinking about when I wrote IRL. Real people behind the screen names have real problems.

    laker1: it appears that whatever the disorder, it has become worse. This is sad.

  23. avatar
    charo May 24, 2016 at 8:54 pm #

    laker1:
    There is such a diagnosis and Mr. Judy has been diagnosed as “delusional”.See http://www.deseretnews.com/article/293492/JUDY-PLEADS-GUILTY-TO-BOMB-THREAT.html?pg=all

    It may be that his delusions are symptoms of some other psychological disorder or are the disorder itself.Given the incoherent statements here, it appears that whatever the disorder, it has become worse.This is sad.

    I recently started a position working with the mentally ill who are trying to transition to independent living. Telling a delusional person that he or she is delusional in an act of shaming fails, except for sadists who seem to enjoy taunting people whom they believe to be mentally ill.

  24. avatar
    trader jack May 25, 2016 at 4:52 pm #

    http://time.com/4033161/obama-foreign-born/

    20% of the people think he was foreign born, so why to you think it is strange that there are still birthers around the web.
    and that was this year!

    And not mentioning the NBC problem that the masses might or might not know about

  25. avatar
    CRJ May 25, 2016 at 5:42 pm #

    The saddest Satire is that depicted here where for example a “pejorative label” anyone of them used here on a regular basis really, is so polluted or fouled up so badly, it no longer holds any attention for the directive hoped for in concern.

    For example

    OBAMA & H. CLINTON Proved to USE and FRAME “A Religion” as predominant WEAPONS [against] the AMERICAN PEOPLE to secure their Election 2012.

    They “used” , stood behind, and employed a FALSE FLAG actually framing Islam as “the cause” of 9/11/12 to get Elected by stating falsely the cause or entire motive was the Video!

    This is absolutely despicable! New documents released prove the collaborated FALSE Story to the American People Blaming a [Terrorist Attack] on Muslims based in the “video” wrongly with no truth to it.

    It’s as if Obama and Clinton blamed or framed a [whole] or entire Religion falsely. They made commercials about it.

    This is really insulting to Islam to be blamed nefariously to become elected in the United States of America.

    If you switched out the Religion you may easily grasp what I’m saying.

    For instance, if Clinton and Obama had said, ” The cause of the Trump Rally Riot in New Mexico where many police officers were injured was based on a Video with a negative conotations or themed against [all Christains] rather then violence against American’s [for and by illegal aliens] that was Reported.

    How would all Christains feel about being [Framed Falsely] like that?

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-benghazi-documents-reveal-september-11-2012-hillary-clinton-call-sheet-describes-benghazi-assault-as-attack-by-armed-extremists/

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/25/activists-and-illegal-aliens-attack-police-horses-outside-trump-rally-video/

    Pertaining to and relating to so many Comments here regarding “Racism” or “Misogyny” being cracked up in the foundation of the Qualification for President of [National Born Citizen] the 15th and 19th Amendments are clear.

    I’m unaware of Constitutional Scholars claiming that Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 was Repealed by either the 15th or 19th Amendments.

    In fact, there must be some agreement with me as so many very top Constitutional Scholars agree the matter un-settled, but justiable, in and by the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Finally concerning “Delusional” a personal favorite example of mine in regards to the denial of Facts by anti-birthers concerning [ natural born Citizen] , and also one polluted or watered down tremendously by them as has been employed by numerous comments here doing much more of a dis-service to the mentally-ill facing real problems in real life based on the diagnosis.

    My major was in Psychology, but it doesn’t take a 3.7 College accumaltive to figure the facts denied in the simple and that’s a credit to our Founders much more than me.

    If delusion is a denial of Facts, you’d fyi be very hard pressed to find a Court of Law upon and in whicj oaths were taken, that the place ones born or soil has a merit of citizenship concerning Jurisdiction of Laws ones born under, as well acknowledge the Fact that each Parent is equally given to a child as such., and from each comes an inherited citizenship.

    The clamoraous claims of a single parent as a stake to the Qualification of the U.S.A’s Office of President are well documented.

    However, as we consider the Equality of the matter, if the parents are in their “gift of inheritance” not the same, some Foreigner has claim , just as a Country of Original Birth would to those born after the signing as it did not apply to those Citizens of the Revolution.

    Obama is certainly inherited a Kenyan Citizenship from his father as he has represented.

    I have no such claim of Kenya. America is my only claim of inheritance at the Time of my birth or by inherited Citizenship from either my father (Idaho) or mother (Utah). See video on site youtube codyjudy channel.

    Obama very well maybe find he is prohibited from office of President in Kenya because of his American mother however, he certainly by English Blackstone Law has claim because of his father’s inherited citizenship to him.

    These Facts are unmanaged, denied in the perceived behest of delusion here by comments- a great dis-service to all.

    Most Constitutional Scholars assert that Place & each Parent are justiciable; meaning they are not wholly incredible, flippant, or fiction, gathering the incredulous legal term of absurdity or frivolous as to facts related to particular qualification of [natural born Citizen].

    Of course every claim here on the facts of delusion is based without Trial or Oath so understandably is just satire, a joke, a cuff.. And I take them as such lovingly. You guys are just hacking on me. Lol that’s near normal for this site. ❤

  26. avatar
    bob May 25, 2016 at 7:13 pm #

    CRJ: Finally concerning “Delusional” a personal favorite example of mine in regards to the denial of Facts by anti-birthers concerning [ natural born Citizen] , and also one polluted or watered down tremendously by them as has been employed by numerous comments here doing much more of a dis-service to the mentally-ill facing real problems in real life based on the diagnosis.

    See: Judy thinks you are delusional if you agree with the judges, scholars, and other experts who have all explained that birth in the United States is sufficient for natural-born citizenship.

    And who can argue with Judy’s claimed degree in psychology? (Ob. “Where’s the long-form diploma”?)

  27. avatar
    Reality Check May 25, 2016 at 7:49 pm #

    CRJ: The Stuffnzznhoovin …bork, bork, bork, bork!”

    Thanks Lupin!

  28. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 25, 2016 at 8:28 pm #

    I have said many times and on many forums, that the question of presidential eligibility for foreign-born US citizens at birth is not settled. And I have said many times and on many forums that all citizens at birth born in the US are natural born citizens, and no top scholar has ever said otherwise. Both of these statements are uncontroversial outside of the birther fringe.

    CRJ: In fact, there must be some agreement with me as so many very top Constitutional Scholars agree the matter un-settled, but justiable, in and by the U.S. Supreme Court.

  29. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 25, 2016 at 8:35 pm #

    Many years ago when I participated in the Mormon USENET Wars, I used that methodology to evaluate arguments against Mormonism by switching out “normative Christian” for Mormon. (“Normative Christian” is the term I came up with to distinguish more mainstream Christianity from Mormonism.) It’s your characterization of the facts that I disagree with.

    CRJ: If you switched out the Religion you may easily grasp what I’m saying.

  30. avatar
    CRJ May 25, 2016 at 10:25 pm #

    My Pleasure

    bob: And who can argue with Judy’s claimed degree in psychology? (Ob. “Where’s the long-form diploma”?)

    #LastDayofSchool Tomorrow, First Grader anyway❤ Respond2Request4my LongFormCollegeCert #Birther #CRJ2016 3.7AccumGPA https://t.co/cxukuSSpbU

    https://twitter.com/CodyRobertJudy/status/735654571377197058

    YouTube:
    CRJ REFLECTION on EDUCATION & FOOTBALL
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ypJVh1YeoIg

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1193516837349764&substory_index=0&id=510896692278452

  31. avatar
    CRJ May 25, 2016 at 10:40 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: And I have said many times and on many forums that all citizens at birth born in the US are natural born citizens, and no top scholar has ever said otherwise

    Of course you probably mean besides the United States Court Justices in Minor v. Happersett.
    Minor v. Happersett
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/88/162

    [“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States, and of the State wherein they reside.]

    Notice- Specifically not including in that definition [natural born Citizen]

    [There cannot be a nation without a people. ]Pg. 166

    [ it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as [citizens] children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there [have been doubts, but never as to the first.]]

    Emphasis mine.

  32. avatar
    Rickey May 25, 2016 at 11:53 pm #

    CRJ:

    [ it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as [citizens] children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there [have been doubts, but never as to the first.]]

    Those doubts were resolved by the Wong Kim Ark case.

  33. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy May 26, 2016 at 12:33 am #

    Your bias prevents you from reading the very citation you wrote. The Minor decision says that there are two classes of persons at birth: natural born citizens, and foreigners. Nowhere in the Minor decision is it said that someone born a US citizen is a not a natural born citizen, nor even doubted. The “doubt” that they expressed was whether someone born in the US to alien parents belonged in the natural born citizen class, or in the foreigner class. The Court only needed to determine whether Minor was a citizen or not, and since she had citizen parents, it wasn’t necessary to resolve the doubt.

    The open question left by Minor was not the definition of “natural born citizen” vis-a-vis the children of aliens, but whether the children of aliens born in the country were always citizens. The Supreme Court in Wong Kim Ark answered that question definitively. Any “top legal scholar” will tell you the same thing.

    CRJ: Of course you probably mean besides the United States Court Justices in Minor v. Happersett.

  34. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater May 26, 2016 at 12:49 pm #

    trader jack: 20% of the people think he was foreign born, so why to you think it is strange that there are still birthers around the web.
    and that was this year!

    Just about the same percent think we never landed on the moon. A certain percentage of americans are crazy.

  35. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater May 26, 2016 at 12:52 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Your bias prevents you from reading the very citation you wrote. The Minor decision says that there are two classes of persons at birth: natural born citizens, and foreigners. Nowhere in the Minor decision is it said that someone born a US citizen is a not a natural born citizen, nor even doubted. The “doubt” that they expressed was whether someone born in the US to alien parents belonged in the natural born citizen class, or in the foreigner class. The Court only needed to determine whether Minor was a citizen or not, and since she had citizen parents, it wasn’t necessary to resolve the doubt.

    CRJ is another birther confused by the difference between a sufficient condition and a definitive condition.

  36. avatar
    Rickey May 26, 2016 at 1:59 pm #

    trader jack:
    http://time.com/4033161/obama-foreign-born/

    20% of the people think he was foreign born, so why to you think it is strange that there are still birthers around the web.
    and that was this year!

    As H.L. Mencken wrote, “Because the plain people are able to speak and understand, and even, in many cases, to read and write, it is assumed that they have ideas in their heads, and an appetite for more. This assumption is a folly.”

  37. avatar
    bob May 26, 2016 at 3:37 pm #

    CRJ:
    Respond2Request4my LongFormCollegeCert #Birther #CRJ2016 3.7AccumGPA https://t.co/cxukuSSpbU

    That’s a short form diploma. And there’s no evidence of a raised seal. And that low-res photograph has, like, 37 layers in Photoshop.

    Clearly a forgery; someone call Arpaio!

  38. avatar
    CRJ May 26, 2016 at 4:48 pm #

    bob: That’s a short form diploma. And there’s no evidence of a raised seal. And that low-res photograph has, like, 37 layers in Photoshop.

    Clearly a forgery; someone call Arpaio!

    Nice!!!!❤ lol ROTFLMAO

  39. avatar
    CRJ May 26, 2016 at 5:47 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Your bias

    is such that two generations is needed to secure the National Security of America in that particular office for good reason.

    Of only Two kinds or states of citizens, your bias allows a dangerous precedent threatening our security as it is possible for a foreign Prince to fund his heir to the Office of U.S. President where mine would not allow that.

    These are the doubts.. National Security. The Bias is not of foreign or domestic question, it’s simply surrounds Time. You believe less is Required, I believe more is Required. Don’t “read” conspiracy into anything that has no merit.

    I applaud immigrants coming here legally wanting a better life, greater opportunity. My wanting to protect that from corruption is quite natural.

    Dr. Conspiracy: The “doubt” that they expressed was whether someone born in the US to alien parents belonged in the natural born citizen class, or in the foreigner class

    I’m not sure I agree with that due to Foreign Ambassador’s children born here never being questioned as [natural born Citizen] ‘s of the USA. Also native born Indians not necessarily opting to be adopted as a U.S. Citizen. Also, “choice” factors in to someone wanting to denounce citizenship for reasons of personal choice. This undoubtedly factored in by example of Cruz’s mother adopting Canadian citizenship. Your approach takes that choice away.

    You know one convincing and blairing factor for me is 8 attempts since 2003 to change it from born in the U.S. to Citizen Parents to something else requiring less time. They all failed.

    Now, certainly not every Congressman on the House Judiciary Committee is a Constitutional Scholar, but in 2002 the convincing factor was that of witnesses of first generation and second generation immigrant experience pouring their hearts out about the change that happens in the second generation.

    As I read the Record this I believe was a deciding factor that it did not make it out of committee.

    The Bias of a Foreigner, or a parent as a foreigner is unavoidable if real phsychological factors are considered naturally and nueturally. Obama has a fractured allegiance that has a lot to do with what he does. Bias prevents that factor based on a shield of skin color that has little to do with personality and allegiances framed from influence seen and unseen.

    Parents , each one has an equal share in their child. A parent who is not present can have a very big factor in psychological developement. Ask a child whose father or mother was killed in war.

    I think your bias surrounds ‘color’ and that bias moves you into a defense based on color rather than Time. The defense of “color’ can be racial just as easily as a ‘superior racial valued based on color”.

    I’ve never really heard anyone here say “The time should be shorter to be a natural born Citizen by exempting a disqualifying foreign parent or disqualifying the Place of birth such as McCain in Panama as a native. Everyone seems to go straight for the “color” of skin in Obama’s defense. The 15th Amendment assures the right to vote, so that defense is “telling”.

    Hillary Clinton wants your vote based on her gender. It’s biased., as it’s a far cry from character.The 19th Amendment prohibits gender identity or preference in voting so cry of inequality are baseless. A woman has had every opportunity to run since its passage.

    Minimum Wage is equal under Federal Law regardless of gender. You want to get the government involved in every hiring decision you’ll break the and create an anti-establishment movement that embraces discrimination 5 steps back.

    It won’t be progress it will be a repeat.

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    Slartibartfast May 26, 2016 at 11:31 pm #

    That you consider this a “convincing and blairing[sic] factor” just shows your lack of understanding. Those attempts were to allow NATURALIZED citizens. In other words, those born in foreign countries to foreign parents. Such as Arnold (before his sex scandal) and Jennifer Granholm. This has nothing to do with President Obama or even Rafael Cruz’s case.

    As Doc and I discussed in Baltimore, you are a sad example of someone who can’t even understand the wide array of subjects on which you are willfully ignorant or just plain wrong.

    CRJ: You know one convincing and blairing factor for me is 8 attempts since 2003 to change it from born in the U.S. to Citizen Parents to something else requiring less time. They all failed.

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    Dr. Conspiracy May 27, 2016 at 9:03 am #

    I believe that every voter can make up their own mind about who to vote for, and may do so for any reason they want. And if someone wants to vote only for a candidate who is a second-generation American, that’s fine with me. What I take issue with is the misrepresentation of the Constitutional requirements for President by you and other like-minded persons. Your reading of Minor v. Happersett is simply warped and irrational.

    As for Clinton, she doesn’t get my vote because of her sex; she gets my vote because she is not Donald Trump. If the race were between you and Donald Trump, I don’t know what I’d do.

    CRJ: is such that two generations is needed to secure the National Security of America in that particular office for good reason.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater May 27, 2016 at 9:38 am #

    CRJ: Of only Two kinds or states of citizens, your bias allows a dangerous precedent threatening our security as it is possible for a foreign Prince to fund his heir to the Office of U.S. President where mine would not allow that.

    nope no one has said that. Children of foreign heads of state like say a prince would never be considered natural born citizens. Doc hasn’t taken the position you just claimed he did.

    CRJ: You know one convincing and blairing factor for me is 8 attempts since 2003 to change it from born in the U.S. to Citizen Parents to something else requiring less time. They all failed.

    There you go lying again. There have been no attempts to change it from citizen parents since that has never been the standard. There have been attempts to allow naturalized citizens to be president.

    CRJ: Obama has a fractured allegiance that has a lot to do with what he does. Bias prevents that factor based on a shield of skin color that has little to do with personality and allegiances framed from influence seen and unseen.

    How exactly did he have a fractured allegiance since he didn’t really know his father and didn’t visit Kenya until he was an adult? He was always first and foremost an American citizen at birth.

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    Dr. Conspiracy May 27, 2016 at 12:27 pm #

    These exceptions are well-known, and it is tiresome to have to repeat them over and over.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Children of foreign heads of state like say a prince would never be considered natural born citizens. Doc hasn’t taken the position you just claimed he did.

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    Lupin May 27, 2016 at 12:34 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: If the race were between you and Donald Trump, I don’t know what I’d do.

    I can’t wait to see that horror movie at my cineplex.

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    Pete May 27, 2016 at 1:35 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I believe that every voter can make up their own mind about who to vote for, and may do so for any reason they want. And if someone wants to vote only for a candidate who is a second-generation American, that’s fine with me. What I take issue with is the misrepresentation of the Constitutional requirements for President by you and other like-minded persons. Your reading of Minor v. Happersett is simply warped and irrational.

    What he said.

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    Pete May 27, 2016 at 1:46 pm #

    All of the stupid talk… for years… about “foreign influence” just because someone’s father was a citizen of Kenya, or Cuba, or wherever, when the person was born…

    Completely ignores the obvious.

    Presidents (and even Presidential candidates), and Congresscritters, meet with foreign dignitaries and heads of state all the time.

    The far easier route for “foreign influence” (as one of the Founding Fathers noted) is bribery of the native-born American.

    Which isn’t to say the natural born citizen clause is useless. But “foreign influence” from having a non-US-citizen father, especially for someone who grew up in America, is just not even that significant. If anything, for most, like Ted Cruz whose father grew up in Cuba, it tends to engender a deeper than average appreciation and love for our country and political system.

    I seem to remember something about gnats and camels?

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    Arthur B. May 27, 2016 at 3:35 pm #

    Pete: All of the stupid talk… for years… about “foreign influence” just because someone’s father was a citizen of Kenya, or Cuba, or wherever, when the person was born…

    I get a kick out of the fact that it’s always described as “foreign influence,” because the phase has a scary, other-ish sound.

    So from time to time I have asked birthers to be more specific, to tell me if they had evidence that Pres. Obama was showing signs of an inappropriate bias toward Kenya. It seems like a simple question, but I never get a simple answer.