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Birther cage match

Sometimes in a moment of weakness I wish that the birthers could be locked in a room to argue out their own inconsistencies, rather than have them running around the Internet bothering decent people.

My recent article about Douglas Vogt and Miki Booth is one example. Miki Booth actually cites arguments by Vogt against Obama’s birth certificate in her book, “Memoirs of a Community Organizer from Hawai’i” and then Douglas Vogt turned around and accused her of submitting forged birth certificates for members of her family to Jerome Corsi, eventually reaching Mike Zullo. Vogt says that he worked with Zullo and that Zullo agreed with some of his conclusions, but Zullo also supports Miki Booth. Zullo is unwilling to throw Booth under the bus, but he is not willing to admit that the extent to which supporting Booth undermines Vogt across the board. If one listens to Vogt, he is certain that Booth’s certificates are as much forgeries as that of Barack Obama, and that they come from the same source. This is a big inconsistency in the birther story that they should resolve among themselves before trying to convince anyone else.

I was reminded just today in an email from Linda Joy Adams that she has a completely different birth narrative for Barack Obama than some other birthers. Nancy Owens, a commenter here, has yet another distinct narrative. Some have Obama born in Hawaii with a different father, some in Washington State, some in Kenya, some in Kansas, some in Canada and some in Florida.

Mile Zullo seems to believe that the CIA created Obama’s birth certificate (don’t ask me why they would do that) based on his reliance on Dennis Montgomery, other birthers believe that Obama’s birth certificate was faked contemporaneously to his birth, Owens says that she did it, and Vogt blames a friend of Miki Booth from Hawaii (plus 4 accomplices including me).

When a robbery occurs, eyewitnesses often disagree over details, even if they agree that there was a robbery. This is human nature, to misperceive things and not get the whole story. Imagine how much variation there would be in testimony if there were no robbery at all, if it were a false memory. In the case at hand, there was no birth certificate forgery, and this explains why birthers cannot arrive at a consensus in their story to explain it.

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24 Responses to Birther cage match

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    Scientist August 14, 2016 at 5:22 pm #

    If born in Washington, Kansas, Florida or anywhere else in the US, what would be the motivation to fake a Hawaiian birth certificate?

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    Arthur B. August 14, 2016 at 5:44 pm #

    Scientist:
    If born in Washington, Kansas, Florida or anywhere else in the US, what would be the motivation to fake a Hawaiian birth certificate?

    But don’t you see — if he’s lying about that, what else is he lying about?!!

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    Rickey August 14, 2016 at 8:27 pm #

    Trump said that he believed that there is something on the “real” birth certificate which Obama is hiding – for example, he speculated, it might show that he was born a Muslim. Of course, there is no place on the birth certificate for an infant’s religion, but when did facts ever matter to Trump?

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    Dave B. August 15, 2016 at 3:54 am #

    I’ve often thought a little family get-together with Linda Joy Adams, Nancy Ruth Owens and Rick Hyatt could be entertaining.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) August 15, 2016 at 9:07 am #

    I was reminded just today in an email from Linda Joy Adams that she has a completely different birth narrative for Barack Obama than some other birthers.

    As would be expected among normal people disagreeing about those parts of a theory that are yet unresolved.
    I never understood their untouchable party line of “he was born in Mombasa” which they didn’t even doubt when we were talking about why SAD would ever go there, even in case it could be proven she took a plane to Kenya highly pregnant to meet Obama’s family.
    It’s like a cult where the original “one true teaching” may never be questioned, lest people think the entire thing might not really hold water.

    Scientist: If born in Washington, Kansas, Florida or anywhere else in the US, what would be the motivation to fake a Hawaiian birth certificate?

    One birther theory is that at least one of his parents would be so embarrassing he’d never be (“having been-would going to”, according to Dr. Dan Streetmentioner) elected President – hence the “his father was a black radical” and the “his mother was a prostitute” schools of thought.
    So the “real BC” does not show a different birthplace (though it might) but different parent(s).

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    Thrifty August 15, 2016 at 3:57 pm #

    This reminds me of an XKCD strip.

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    BitherBuster August 16, 2016 at 2:47 am #

    These birfers had one great success: They made “birther” a consistent laugh line. They wasted eight years of their lives doing it, but for our entertainment it was worth it.

    Re conflicting theories, all they need to do is talk to Orly Taitz, she’ll screech to them what they should believe.

    And everybody knows it was the Lucas Daniel Smith BC that was the real one 😉

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    Scientist August 16, 2016 at 6:49 am #

    The Magic M (not logged in): One birther theory is that at least one of his parents would be so embarrassing he’d never be (“having been-would going to”, according to Dr. Dan Streetmentioner) elected President – hence the “his father was a black radical” and the “his mother was a prostitute” schools of thought.
    So the “real BC” does not show a different birthplace (though it might) but different parent(s).

    That exposes one of the great flaws (among many) in birther thinking-their inability to put themselves in another person’s place. They are fixated on what would cause THEM not to vote for Obama. But, of course, they weren’t going to vote for Obama anyway.

    And those things, if true, would probably make Obama voters and undecideds even MORE likely to vote for him, since it would make his story even more interesting. Their better strategy would have been to argue that Obama was really the child of an insurance salesman and a housewife from Peoria. Now that might have turned off a few prospective Obama voters from sheer boredom.

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    BirtherBuster August 17, 2016 at 3:49 am #

    Steve Bannon from Breitbart and Kellyanne Conway are taking over the Trump campaign, doubling down hard. Early Robert Costa at WaPo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/08/17/trump-reshuffles-staff-in-his-own-image/?postshare=6431471417685476&tid=ss_tw

    Only good thing about Steve:

    At Breitbart.com’s CPAC panel infamous Obama birth certificate conspiracy theorist Orly Taitz rudely interrupted the discussion when Breitbart executive chairman Stephen Bannon shut her down.
    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2013/03/16/breitbart-news-shuts-down-birther/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awY26-jX4hM

    What will Taitz do now that her archenemy is running the show? She should demand he be removed or formally apologize to Attorney Taitz.

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    Lupin August 17, 2016 at 4:09 am #

    Yesterday I was able (randomly I suppose) to access BR again. Their comments are increasingly a haven for genuine lunatics as large tracts of it appeared to be devoted to a “I’m crazier than you” discussion between Nancy “March Hare” and another Mad Hatter. Then there was the utterly bonkers Clinton posts. There was only about 25% (generously) posts that might have been labelled as not completely b*tsh*t. I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much insanity displayed in such a short place.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) August 17, 2016 at 6:12 am #

    Lupin: I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much insanity displayed in such a short place.

    Desperation.

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    Lupin August 17, 2016 at 7:40 am #

    The Magic M (not logged in): Desperation.

    I don’t think they sound desperate at all; more like increasingly delusional as reality diverges from their world view like an iceberg floating away from the ice shelf.

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    Lupin August 17, 2016 at 7:42 am #

    The one good thing to look forward to (fingers crossed) is that the 2016 millésime of bottled bitter birthers tears will be exceptionally sweet.

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    Reality Check August 17, 2016 at 10:49 am #

    Just when you think they can’t get any loonier they do. RamboIke is sure that Hillary will be dead by November and swears that anyone who thinks black lives matter wants cops to die. Falcon and BSE haven’t been seen in weeks and BR is still pretty much AWOL too.

    Nancy Owens is happy though because she can now freely post videos telling them how she killed Vince Foster while Hillary watched and something about a bomb blowing up the space shuttle Challenger. She’s found a home with fellow travelers in delusion.

    Lupin: Yesterday I was able (randomly I suppose) to access BR again.

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    Crustacean August 17, 2016 at 12:39 pm #

    When I read the garbage being spewed there by Ramboike and furtive, about Clinton’s medical records having been “hacked” to reveal some sort of early onset dementia, I thought to myself, hey, that has the stink of Roger Stone all over it. Sure enough…

    “The [Clinton] campaign’s detailed press release also called out Trump confidant Roger Stone for “pushing fake medical documents supposedly leaked from Hillary Clinton’s physician that purport to show grave health problems.”

    “Clinton’s actual physician, Dr. Lisa Bardack, chair of CareMount Medical’s department of medicine, said in a statement, “These documents are false, were not written by me and are not based on any medical facts.”

    (sigh) Roger Effing Stone (if that’s not his middle name, it should be). If ever there were a guy I’d LOVE to see being frog-marched into the deepest, darkest dungeon on Earth, he’s on my short list.

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/16/media/hillary-clinton-health-conservative-media/

    Reality Check: Just when you think they can’t get any loonier they do. RamboIke is sure that Hillary will be dead by November and swears that anyone who thinks black lives matter wants cops to die. Falcon and BSE haven’t been seen in weeks and BR is still pretty much AWOL too.

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    Rickey August 17, 2016 at 3:33 pm #

    Crustacean:

    “Clinton’s actual physician, Dr. Lisa Bardack, chair of CareMount Medical’s department of medicine, said in a statement, “These documents are false, were not written by me and are not based on any medical facts.”

    Incidentally, CareMount Medical (formerly Mt. Kisco Medical Group) is owned by Scott Hayworth, M.D., whose wife Nan Hayworth M.D. was a Republican member of the House of Representatives from 2010-2012. She was supported by the Tea Party and clearly would not tolerate it if Dr. Bardack were giving our false information.

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    The Magic M (not logged in) August 18, 2016 at 5:26 am #

    Lupin: I don’t think they sound desperate at all

    They don’t sound desperate, but this is their motivation. Deep down inside they know Trump’s chances of getting elected are slim, and even in that case, chances he’s gonna resurrect Obama birtherism are even slimmer.

    Crustacean: about Clinton’s medical records having been “hacked” to reveal some sort of early onset dementia

    For me, the giveaway was the capitalization of the names of the diseases. The only places they are capitalized are book titles and ICD-10 classifications (the latter being the likely source for whatever layman cobbled this together).
    I’ve yet to see a single article on the web where the author capitalizes the names within the text.

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    Lupin August 18, 2016 at 7:05 am #

    You would think that forging a Dr’s name on a medical document would be illegal, no?

    Is this being investigated?

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    Curious George August 19, 2016 at 2:57 pm #

    Speaking about Mike Zullo…Here’s a news story from yesterday that features the fearless Mike Zullo. It looks like things are starting to heat up in Phoenix. Is Sheriff Arpaio giving the attorney the middle finger salute in the deposition video?

    http://www.cbs5az.com/story/32793998/arpaio-says-mcso-still-investigating-obama

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    Nancy R Owens August 19, 2016 at 10:25 pm #

    Just me and a REAL investigator would do. Have they found one yet?

    Dave B.:
    I’ve often thought a little family get-together with Linda Joy Adams, Nancy Ruth Owens and Rick Hyatt could be entertaining.

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    Rickey August 20, 2016 at 12:58 am #

    Lupin:
    You would think that forging a Dr’s name on a medical document would be illegal, no?

    Is this being investigated?

    The difficult part would be proving who did it.

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    Lupin August 20, 2016 at 3:35 am #

    Rickey: The difficult part would be proving who did it.

    But shouldn’t they at least investigate? (Perhaps they are but I haven’t read anything about it.)

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    Rickey August 20, 2016 at 10:46 am #

    Lupin: But shouldn’t they at least investigate?(Perhaps they are but I haven’t read anything about it.)

    That’s a good question. I would imagine that it would require a criminal complaint filed by either Clinton or Dr. Bardack. In all my years of working with medical records, I don’t ever recall a case of someone forging them.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG. August 20, 2016 at 3:39 pm #

    Curious George:
    Speaking about Mike Zullo…Here’s a news story from yesterday that features the fearless Mike Zullo.It looks like things are starting to heat up in Phoenix. Is Sheriff Arpaio giving the attorney the middle finger salute in the deposition video?

    http://www.cbs5az.com/story/32793998/arpaio-says-mcso-still-investigating-obama

    Oh, birthers will continue puffing the investigation up well after Arpaio croaks behind bars. All part of some sooper-seekrit plan, that Joe masterfully crafted, in the case of his clandestine murder at the hands of the establishment, don’cha know! And that the only thing keeping Zullo from fulfilling Shurfjoke’s final wish, by releasing the info to the world…is one last very small legal hurdle. But soon, guys, soon!