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Looking forward to a new year without Birthers

Let me start by saying that I’m the last guy you want to come to for predictions about the future. I’m too optimistic and my views are clouded by reason. Birthers have continually surprised me with their persistence in the face of repeated crushing defeat.

But it’s a new year and Joe Arpaio is no longer sheriff of Maricopa County as of today (Arpaio’s official biography on the Sheriff’s Office web site now exists only in the Web Archive). Mike Zullo has lost his official patron. Birther Report is dead. Most importantly, Barack Obama leaves office in just under 3 weeks, and whatever wind in its sails that kept the Birther ship moving will die down. The for-profit motive for pushing Obama conspiracy theories would seem to have evaporated—there’s no motivation to click on a fake news story about a former president. No one needs to get Obama out of office to change government policy; there will be a President Trump with a Republican Congress to replace executive orders and pass contrary legislation.

Birthers hope that Obama will someday be convicted of talking about having a birth certificate, and allowing a picture of one to appear on the White House web site. Forgery is a Class B Felony in Hawaii where, as with Federal law, the statute of limitations of 5 years has run out. The new Congress has only a handful of Republican members who were not in the previous Congress, so it seems very unlikely that anyone in Congress will be calling for a congressional investigation, particularly since it’s old history now. What’s the point?

In my moral universe, Birtherism is an obscenity because it denies the virtue of reason. It is un-American because it presumes guilt without good evidence. It is immoral because it is a movement led by liars—not people who are wrong, but people who intentionally sell out the truth for personal advantage. In many cases, the movement has been populated from what Hillary Clinton referred to as a “basket of deplorables.”

The “deplorables” are not going to be any less deplorable in the coming year, but they will have to do without President Obama as a focus. Racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, Islamaphobia and the hatred of Liberals is not going away, and I will still be a voice on the Internet in opposition to lies and slander.

93 Responses to Looking forward to a new year without Birthers

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG. January 1, 2017 at 1:35 pm #

    The ego-driven birthers are gonna be the ones hit the hardest. This site is the closest thing any of them have to a captive audience.

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    alg January 1, 2017 at 1:50 pm #

    Interesting to see that Arpaio’s picture has been removed from the splash page of the MCSO website. That wasn’t the case when I got up this morning around 5:00 am PST. It is now: https://www.mcso.org The website has been modified to make it clear that there’s a new Sheriff in town, except that the gallery is still loaded with Arpaio promotional pictures: https://www.mcso.org/Gallery

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    charo January 1, 2017 at 2:12 pm #

    I deleted a comment I planned to post, interestingly, because the proprietor of the site once advised that the delete button is my best friend, or similar words. I wish everyone well and hope that you do not give up on our country and its generally good people. I could write pages of reasons as to why I disagree so much with Lupin. Maybe an extensive trip across our Great Plains interacting with individuals of all types would soften his harsh view. I believe that common ground can be found with others at least 90 percent of the time, even if the ground is of tiny measure, but a statistician I am not [I am generally a decent speller but had to google the word].

    Signed,
    Trump voter who is not an uneducated white male. Whether I am deplorable is probably in the eye of the beholder…

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    J.D. Sue January 1, 2017 at 2:56 pm #

    charo: I wish everyone well and hope that you do not give up on our country and its generally good people.

    —–

    To me, it is NOT a question of whether I am giving up on my country. The question IS whether my country has given up on me (us).

    Giving the benefit of the doubt, I presume you do not realize that a vote for Trump was a vote for a consummate psychopath. Small comfort.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG. January 1, 2017 at 3:26 pm #

    J.D. Sue: To me, it is NOT a question of whether I am giving up on my country. The question IS whether my country has given up on me (us).

    Considering how many Republicans got elected into congress, I’d say it has given up on sanity.

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    charo January 1, 2017 at 3:49 pm #

    I would rather live in the United States under President Trump than reside in any other country. Apparently, so do all of the celebrities who vowed to expatriate themselves and have the means to do so. The prevailing view for anti-Trumpers is that impeachment is sure to happen quickly. [Deleted more commentary… that button is my friend]

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG January 1, 2017 at 3:57 pm #

    charo:
    I would rather live in the United States under President Trump than reside in any other country. Apparently, so do all of the celebrities who vowed to expatriate themselves and have the means to do so.

    On that subject, Im still waiting for Ted Nugent to make good on his promise to either die or go to jail if Obama won reelection.

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    J.D. Sue January 1, 2017 at 4:34 pm #

    charo: I would rather live in the United States under President Trump than reside in any other country.

    —-

    I can relate to that sentiment. I love my country too.

    But your statement is premature. None of us has experienced yet what it means to live or die under Trump.

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    Reality Check January 1, 2017 at 4:49 pm #

    I love my country so I therefore consider anyone who voted for Trump pretty much a traitor.

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    trader jack January 1, 2017 at 5:15 pm #

    Reality Check:
    I love my country so I therefore consider anyone who voted for Trump pretty much a traitor.

    That is such a weird statement, I refuse to believe a person who believes in the constitution would utter , or print, that statement.

    And YOU consider birthers strange?

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 1, 2017 at 5:36 pm #

    Norway seems nice. They have huge incentives to promote electric vehicles.

    charo: I would rather live in the United States under President Trump than reside in any other country.

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    Rickey January 1, 2017 at 5:38 pm #

    charo:
    The prevailing view for anti-Trumpers is that impeachment is sure to happen quickly.

    Where did you get that from?

    The chances of Trump being impeached while the Republicans control the House of Representatives are zero.

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 1, 2017 at 5:47 pm #

    I think Trump could be impeached if he started shooting people in central park, or ordered the Capitol Police to start shooting people on the Mall. The vote would be close.

    Rickey: The chances of Trump being impeached while the Republicans control the House of Representatives are zero.

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    Rickey January 1, 2017 at 5:49 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Norway seems nice. They have huge incentives to promote electric vehicles.

    If European socialism is so bad, why is there no influx of immigrants from Europe to the U.S.A.? In 2014, the most recent year for which I can find statistics, only 8.12% of immigrants to the U.S. came from Europe.

    https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/LPR%20Flow%20Report%202014_508.pdf

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    Rickey January 1, 2017 at 5:51 pm #

    trader jack: That is such a weird statement, I refuse to believe a person who believes in the constitution would utter , or print, that statement.

    And YOU consider birthers strange?

    Birthers have repeatedly called for Obama to be charged with treason and hanged. How do you stand on that?

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    J.D. Sue January 1, 2017 at 5:53 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I think Trump could be impeached if he started shooting people in central park, or ordered the Capitol Police to start shooting people on the Mall. The vote would be close.

    —–
    Doc, ever the optimist.

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    Reality Check January 1, 2017 at 6:04 pm #

    Give the conservative media a few weeks to spin it and it wouldn’t even get to trial.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I think Trump could be impeached if he started shooting people in central park, or ordered the Capitol Police to start shooting people on the Mall. The vote would be close.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG January 1, 2017 at 6:05 pm #

    I’m more of the opinion that Trump will grow to hate being President. He’s used to getting whatever he wants, when he wants it.

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    Reality Check January 1, 2017 at 6:11 pm #

    I think that allowing the country to be turned over to an immature petulant child who about anyone with foreign policy experience in the Republican party said was unfit to serve is tantamount to being a traitor. If you prefer to call yourself an uninformed boob I could go with that.

    trader jack: That is such a weird statement, I refuse to believe a person who believes in the constitution would utter , or print, that statement.

    And YOU consider birthers strange?

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    J.D. Sue January 1, 2017 at 6:18 pm #

    charo: The prevailing view for anti-Trumpers is that impeachment is sure to happen quickly.


    The prevailing view is that Trump will quickly commit impeachable crimes, not that the Republicans in Congress will impeach him for his crimes.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG January 1, 2017 at 6:31 pm #

    For those needing a new source of schadenfreude. I’ve been following a growing trend called “Trumpgrets”. Tweets and tumbls by people who are already regretting voting for him. I have zero pity for any of them. One older guy was lamenting that he was gonna lose his insurance under the guy he voted for. Well he pulled that trigger himself.

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    john January 1, 2017 at 8:28 pm #

    Donald Trump is the birthers’ revenge. Although birthers will never remove Obama for ineligible or try him for treason, Donald Trump is sure to undo lot of Obama’s policies to much as he can.

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    Reality Check January 1, 2017 at 8:54 pm #

    Thanks for helping make my point john. Trump is truly the candidate of the stupid.

    john:
    Donald Trump is the birthers’ revenge. Although birthers will never remove Obama for ineligible or try him for treason, Donald Trump is sure to undo lot of Obama’s policies to much as he can.

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    trader jack January 1, 2017 at 9:48 pm #

    Reality Check:
    I think that allowing the country to be turned over to an immature petulant child who about anyone with foreign policy experience in the Republican party said was unfit to serve is tantamount to being a traitor. If you prefer to call yourself an uninformed boob I could go with that.

    And, you, as an intelligent gentle person think that your opinion should determine what a traitor is?

    Besides that:https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/traitor

    Traitors betray the trust of those who have faith in them or believe their promises. Traitor also applies to a person who betrays his country by committing treason: turning against his own government, perhaps by selling secret information

    As you have never had faith in him or believe his promises, he can not have betrayed your trust.
    Whereas, you, perhaps might meet the definition by turning against the elected government. Perhaps not, though

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    trader jack January 1, 2017 at 9:52 pm #

    Of course , I have always felt that you have to support the elected President until his actions have caused harm to you or your kin, town, county, state, or country.
    You , obviously, feel differently

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    Rickey January 1, 2017 at 10:27 pm #

    john:
    Although birthers will never remove Obama for ineligible or try him for treason, Donald Trump is sure to undo lot of Obama’s policies to much as he can.

    Which is exactly what any other Republican president would try to do. Birthers will, at best, be only an obscure footnote in history – if they are remembered at all.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG January 1, 2017 at 11:16 pm #

    john: Donald Trump is the birthers’ revenge.

    He’s nothing of the sort. In fact he publicly disowned you, and your cause. Suck it up, bitch.

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    donna January 2, 2017 at 8:44 am #

    Continuous investigations and lawsuits against Trump and his family due to the Emoluments clause, the GSA and that DC Hotel, the Inspectors General and others affected by their conflicts of interest are our only hope.

    Here’s a scenario for you:

    It’s April 1, 2017. Donald J. Trump has been in office for less than two and a half months when a nattily dressed “businessman” manages to enter Trump Towers Istanbul, which soars into the skyline of the Turkish capital with the name of the new American president impressively done up in gold letters atop one of its towers. Once in the lobby, that man, a messenger from the Islamic State who made it through the complex’s private security screening with a suicide vest strapped to his body, blows himself up, killing a doorman, a security screener, and a number of residents, while wounding a dozen others.

    So don’t for a second imagine that the leadership of ISIS (or similar groups) won’t see the advantages of sending such messengers on the cheap to get under the oh-so-thin-skin of the new American president and embroil him in God knows what.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/why-trumps-hotels-will-doom-us-all/

    Let’s hope the Trumps don’t have one day of peace.

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    Sluffy1 January 2, 2017 at 10:31 am #

    It’ll be car and truck bombs… big ones.

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    scott e January 2, 2017 at 10:31 am #

    is this going to feel strange to you all when it continues, even when obama’s no longer president ?

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    JD Reed January 2, 2017 at 10:37 am #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: He’s nothing of the sort. In fact he publicly disowned you, and your cause. Suck it up, bitch.

    John would be right if the negative consequences of a Trump regime were to be visited only on the majority of the American electorate who voted against him.
    Unfortunately for birthers like John, they will also feel the effects.

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    Reality Check January 2, 2017 at 10:45 am #

    Personally I wouldn’t go near anything with Trump’s name on it. They are all targets now.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG January 2, 2017 at 11:45 am #

    scott e:
    is this going to feel strange to you all when it continues, even when obama’s no longer president ?

    Your lot were born losers and you’ll die losers. I won’t lose any sleep over that. So not really.

  34. avatar
    john January 2, 2017 at 11:55 am #

    I wonder if Trump could pardon Terry Lakin? Lakin should issue a pardon request if he can. Trump might just grant it.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG January 2, 2017 at 12:03 pm #

    john:
    I wonder if Trump could pardon Terry Lakin? Lakin should issue a pardon request if he can. Trump might just grant it.

    There’s nothing in it for Trump, stupid. When are you going to realize that Trump only does what benefits Trump?

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    katahdin January 2, 2017 at 12:21 pm #

    john:
    I wonder if Trump could pardon Terry Lakin? Lakin should issue a pardon request if he can. Trump might just grant it.

    Can Lakin afford to pay for a pardon? If so, he’s in luck.

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    bob January 2, 2017 at 12:58 pm #

    john:
    I wonder if Trump could pardon Terry Lakin? Lakin should issue a pardon request if he can. Trump might just grant it.

    It is possible but not probable that one day a birther will learn the difference between “possible” and “probable.”

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    Pete January 2, 2017 at 1:04 pm #

    charo: I believe that common ground can be found with others at least 90 percent of the time, even if the ground is of tiny measure

    Birtherism and Trump have highlighted people’s differences.

    Once you get past those specific issues, I think you would be surprised how much in common you might actually have not only with Lupin, but with others on this site.

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    Pete January 2, 2017 at 1:05 pm #

    But it’s a new year and Joe Arpaio is no longer sheriff of Maricopa County as of today…

    Hooray!

    There’s a new sheriff in town!

    And that’s a good thing for the people of Maricopa County, who’ve had to put up with Arpaio’s corruption and incompetence for far, far too long.

    In my moral universe, Birtherism is an obscenity because it denies the virtue of reason. It is un-American because it presumes guilt without good evidence. It is immoral because it is a movement led by liars—not people who are wrong, but people who intentionally sell out the truth for personal advantage.

    I wholeheartedly agree, and thank you for saying it.

    Birtherism is both a moral and political obscenity.

    It’s a blatant attempt to corrupt our national political system.

    It masquerades the most audacious of lies as “truth,” and the truth as “lies.”

    It makes “heroes” and “patriots” of liars, scumbags and swindlers, and “traitors” and “filth” of decent American citizens who simply stand up for the truth.

    It isn’t too strong a term to call birtherism a moral perversion, because that, in fact, is what it is. It’s not just an error. It’s a wholehearted rejection of truth in favor of falsehood.

    The “deplorables” are not going to be any less deplorable in the coming year, but they will have to do without President Obama as a focus. Racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, Islamaphobia and the hatred of Liberals is not going away, and I will still be a voice on the Internet in opposition to lies and slander.

    Thank you.

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    Pete January 2, 2017 at 1:17 pm #

    charo: The prevailing view for anti-Trumpers is that impeachment is sure to happen quickly.

    I doubt you could meet anyone more opposed to a President Trump than I am.

    I wouldn’t call him a “psychopath,” because I don’t believe he meets the definition, but I do wholeheartedly believe he’s a fraud, a con man, and a consummate sociopath.

    And the American people, including you, are virtually insane for having elected him.

    He’s the one President we’ve had that I feel could literally destroy the country.

    Hopefully, he won’t. And hopefully, he won’t seriously damage it, either. But the danger is certainly there.

    In any event, I’m not under any illusions about the likelihood of him being impeached and removed from office. And I don’t think anyone else is, either.

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    Pete January 2, 2017 at 1:19 pm #

    Reality Check: I think that allowing the country to be turned over to an immature petulant child who about anyone with foreign policy experience in the Republican party said was unfit to serve is tantamount to being a traitor. If you prefer to call yourself an uninformed boob I could go with that.

    ^ This.

    And note that it wasn’t just Democrats identifying Trump as being unfit to serve. It was, as RC noted, about anyone with foreign policy experience in the Republican party.

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    Pete January 2, 2017 at 1:23 pm #

    trader jack:
    Of course , I have always felt that you have tosupport the elected President until his actions have caused harm to youor your kin, town, county, state, or country.
    You , obviously, feel differently

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    I think you’ve found your new career. Comedy.

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    Pete January 2, 2017 at 1:30 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: There’s nothing in it for Trump, stupid. When are you going to realize that Trump only does what benefits Trump?

    That’s his entire history.

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    Rickey January 2, 2017 at 1:40 pm #

    scott e:
    is this going to feel strange to you all when it continues, even when obama’s no longer president ?

    When what continues? Oh, you mean when a small, utterly insignificant band of reality-challenged birthers continue to whine that Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen? No, that won’t feel strange at all.

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    Rickey January 2, 2017 at 1:43 pm #

    john:
    I wonder if Trump could pardon Terry Lakin?

    He could, but he won’t.

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    Joey January 2, 2017 at 1:55 pm #

    trader jack:
    Of course , I have always felt that you have tosupport the elected President until his actions have caused harm to youor your kin, town, county, state, or country.
    You , obviously, feel differently

    Trader Jack has a firm grasp of the obvious. Every one of our 44 presidents has had a significant percentage of the American people who feel that the president is doing harm to them, their kin, their town, county, state or the nation. The 45th president will be no different, after all Mr. Trump received nearly 3 million fewer popular votes than his main opponent. Close to 66 million people did not vote for him.

    Even President George Washington sent out the army to shoot and kill farmers who didn’t agree with Washington’s tax policy. Washington needed to demonstrate federal authority.

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    Joey January 2, 2017 at 2:08 pm #

    john:
    I wonder if Trump could pardon Terry Lakin? Lakin should issue a pardon request if he can. Trump might just grant it.

    A presidential pardon after Lakin has already served his sentence doesn’t do much.
    Terry Lakin requesting Presidential Pardon of his court-martial conviction would have to submit his petition directly to the Secretary of the military department that had original jurisdiction in the case. Lakin would still be dishororably discharged. A Presidential Pardon of a military conviction does not change the character of a military discharge. To change the characterization of Lakin’s discharge a petition would need to be made to the appropriate military authority.
    A Presidential Pardon will restore various rights lost as a result of the Federal/Military conviction and should lessen, to some extent, the stigma arising from a conviction, it will not erase or expunge the record of Lakin’s conviction. Therefore, even if he is granted a Presidential Pardon, he must still disclose his Federal/Military conviction on any form where such information is required – although he may also disclose the fact that he received a Presidential Pardon. In addition, most civil disabilities of a Federal/Military felony conviction, such as the loss of the right to vote and to hold state public office, are imposed by the state rather than federal law, and therefore may be removed by state action.

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    Rickey January 2, 2017 at 2:55 pm #

    Joey: A presidential pardon after Lakin has already served his sentence doesn’t do much.
    Terry Lakin requesting Presidential Pardon of his court-martial conviction would have to submit his petition directly to the Secretary of the military department that had original jurisdiction in the case. Lakin would still be dishororably discharged. A Presidential Pardon of a military conviction does not change the character of a military discharge. To change the characterization of Lakin’s discharge a petition would need to be made to the appropriate military authority.
    A Presidential Pardon will restore various rights lost as a result of the Federal/Military conviction and should lessen, to some extent, the stigma arising from a conviction, it will not erase or expunge the record of Lakin’s conviction. Therefore, even if he is granted a Presidential Pardon, he must still disclose his Federal/Military conviction on any form where such information is required – although he may also disclose the fact that he received a Presidential Pardon. In addition, most civil disabilities of a Federal/Military felony conviction, such as the loss of the right to vote and to hold state public office, are imposed by the state rather than federal law, and therefore may be removed by state action.

    I doubt that Lakin wants to draw attention to his courts-martial conviction at this point in his life. He has joined a large medical practice in Pueblo, Colorado.

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    Joey January 2, 2017 at 4:36 pm #

    Rickey: I doubt that Lakin wants to draw attention to his courts-martial conviction at this point in his life. He has joined a large medical practice in Pueblo, Colorado.

    Birthers like John conveniently forget that Terry Lakin pleaded GUILTY to several of the specifications against him and he withdrew his right to an automatc appeal.

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    Joey January 2, 2017 at 5:07 pm #

    scott e:
    is this going to feel strange to you all when it continues, even when obama’s no longer president ?

    I can’t speak for anyone else but I LOVE debating the birther issue and I would be sad if it ever did completely die out. Just yesterday I was debating on a different blog with some conservatives about Ted Cruz and his Canadian birth.
    So no, I hope the issue is around as long as was Mary Surratt a part of the Lincoln assassination conspiracy or were there multiple shooters of JFK on the Grassy Knowl in Dallas.
    It is my belief that birtherism turned out to be a great help to President Obama for election and reelection. Both John McCain and Mitt Romney came to Obama’s defense on the issue which is something you never want to do in a presidential election.

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    Arthur B. January 2, 2017 at 5:12 pm #

    Rickey: I doubt that Lakin wants to draw attention to his courts-martial conviction at this point in his life. He has joined a large medical practice in Pueblo, Colorado.

    Note, though, that the practice’s relevant web page (http://www.southerncoloradoclinic.com/terry-lakin-do.html) says this about him:

    Dr. Lakin enjoys being a team member with patients in their health care. He is board certified in two specialties, Family Medicine and Occupational and Environmental Medicine, and has a Masters in Public Health. As a Doctor in Osteopathic Medicine, he offers manipulative medicine for many musculo-skeletal medical problems.

    I find it curious that the only reference to Lakin’s work there is that “he offers manipulative medicine.” Wouldn’t we expect a fully qualified doctor to provide a broader range of services?

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG. January 2, 2017 at 5:19 pm #

    Joey: Birthers like John conveniently forget that Terry Lakin pleaded GUILTY to several of the specifications against him and he withdrew his right to an automatc appeal.

    Its like they don’t understand how ANYTHING works. They get their understanding of things like police work, record keeping and research from TV shows, and just tune out reality. Then they’re in complete disbelief, when their conception of how those things actually work don’t match up to their preconceptions. Of course, to them it means the real-world examples must be suspect then.

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    Joey January 2, 2017 at 6:13 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG.: Its like they don’t understand how ANYTHING works. They get their understanding of things like police work, record keeping and research from TV shows, and just tune out reality. Then they’re in complete disbelief, when their conception of how those things actually work don’t match up to their preconceptions. Of course, to them it means the real-world examples must be suspect then.

    The Army’s Judge Advocate General Corps also structured the Lakin Court Martial in such a way that he really had no options. They court martialed Terry Lakin for offenses that had nothing to do with natural born citizenship and the Commander-in-Chief even though that was Lakin’s motivation. The offenses were: did you report to your base commander’s office when ordered to do so; did you get on such and such a plane at such and such a time for deployment when ordered to do so? The answers were all yes or no.
    What really cooked Lakin’s goose with the jury composed entirely of Lieutenant Colonels more than anything else was the testimony of the doctor who had to deploy to Afghanistan to take Lakin’s place and the hardship that almost no advanced warning placed on him, his wife and his children.
    And of course having your commanding officer, a winner of the Medal of Honor testify against you didn’t help.

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    Rickey January 2, 2017 at 6:28 pm #

    Arthur B.:
    I find it curious that the only reference to Lakin’s work there is that “he offers manipulative medicine.” Wouldn’t we expect a fully qualified doctor to provide a broader range of services?

    It looks like his particular practice is aimed largely at workers’ compensation patients. Lakin is an osteopath, which is the equivalent of a medical doctor except that osteopaths also perform manipulations (for soft tissue injuries) which are similar to chiropractic adjustments.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater January 2, 2017 at 6:53 pm #

    Arthur B.: I find it curious that the only reference to Lakin’s work there is that “he offers manipulative medicine.” Wouldn’t we expect a fully qualified doctor to provide a broader range of services?

    Notice they kinda whitewashed the end of his military career

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    Arthur B. January 2, 2017 at 8:44 pm #

    Rickey: “Lakin is an osteopath, which is the equivalent of a medical doctor except that osteopaths also perform manipulations (for soft tissue injuries) which are similar to chiropractic adjustments.”

    [Sorry, ‘quote’ function isn’t working for me]

    Yes, no question. But what caught my attention is that, as you point out, “osteopaths also perform manipulations,” whereas I believe the implication here is that Lakin only performs manipulations.

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    Rickey January 2, 2017 at 9:42 pm #

    Arthur B.:

    Yes, no question. But what caught my attention is that, as you point out, “osteopaths also perform manipulations,” whereas I believe the implication here is that Lakin only performs manipulations.

    I suspect that it’s more a case of him emphasizing that he performs manipulations. Not all osteopaths do.

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    trader jack January 3, 2017 at 11:48 pm #

    Rickey: It looks like his particular practice is aimed largely at workers’ compensation patients. Lakin is an osteopath, which is the equivalent of a medical doctor except that osteopaths also perform manipulations (for soft tissue injuries) which are similar to chiropractic adjustments.

    speaking for personal experience , if you are not going to a general practice doctor, the chances of him giving an explanation and treatment about anything other than his specialty is minimum.

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    bob January 4, 2017 at 3:39 pm #

    Sorry to ruin 2017 for you, Doc, but Zullo is going to be on WOBC BTR tomorrow night.

    I predict Zullo (like Gallups) will declare Obots “irrelevant,” and then proceed to critique their critiques of his latest flim-flammery.

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    Pete January 4, 2017 at 5:45 pm #

    I guess the birther grifters like Zullo will keep on grifting until there’s no money or attention left to grift.

    And, I guess there will not really be anyone to answer them, since this blog will close shortly and they will ban any sane commenter on their blogs and in their radio shows.

    I doubt they will attract a lot of attention from here on, though.

    I mean, I don’t think even Arpaio’s p*ss conference attracted much attention outside of narrow circles.

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    bob January 4, 2017 at 6:54 pm #

    Pete: mean, I don’t think even Arpaio’s p*ss conference attracted much attention outside of narrow circles.

    The only media attention Zullo’s “press conference” received was:
    (1) a few articles deriding it; and
    (2) birthers again whining about being ignored and derided.

    In other words: same as it ever was.

    I guess there will not really be anyone to answer them

    There’s still a few at the Fogbow that follow birthers, but most there are now focusing on other topics.

  62. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG January 4, 2017 at 8:11 pm #

    I predict Zullo will speak a lot of words, without really saying anything. He’ll make a vague reference to “The federal agency” who’s dumpster his “evidence” is currently in the bottom of. He’ll vow it isn’t over, and claim there are interested parties in congress, oh and send money.

  63. avatar
    gorefan January 4, 2017 at 8:41 pm #

    bob:
    Sorry to ruin 2017 for you, Doc, but Zullo is going to be on WOBC BTR tomorrow night.

    I predict Zullo (like Gallups) will declare Obots “irrelevant,” and then proceed to critique their critiques of his latest flim-flammery.

    It feels like 2013 again.

    Is Vegas giving odds on Volin playing the Selma clip? Or how soon will RC be kicked out of the chat room?

  64. avatar
    Reality Check January 4, 2017 at 8:51 pm #

    I wrote Reed Hayes an email today. If we are lucky Hayes will rat to Zullo and he can get all indignant about me contacting Hayes. (I just wanted to let Hayes know that Zullo and Gallups were probably misrepresenting his work to continue their ongoing smear campaign.)

    gorefan: It feels like 2013 again.

    Is Vegas giving odds on Volin playing the Selma clip? Or how soon will RC be kicked out of the chat room?

  65. avatar
    gorefan January 4, 2017 at 10:58 pm #

    Reality Check: I wrote Reed Hayes an email today.

    I imagine he has received a number of e-mails. Unfortunately I don’t think Zullo is misrepresenting his work, exaggerating its significance and accuracy but not what Hayes has reported.

    Hopefully he is honest enough to review his work in light of those e-mails. Time will tell.

  66. avatar
    Pete January 5, 2017 at 12:41 am #

    Reality Check:
    I wrote Reed Hayes an email today. If we are lucky Hayes will rat to Zullo and he can get all indignant about me contacting Hayes. (I just wanted to let Hayes know that Zullo and Gallups were probably misrepresenting his work to continue their ongoing smear campaign.)

    Most likely are.

    It would be lovely to see Reed Hayes publicly disavow the Arpaio/ Zullo nonsense in the last days of this blog.

  67. avatar
    Dave B. January 5, 2017 at 2:38 am #

    I’d settle for Paul Penzone.

    Pete: It would be lovely to see Reed Hayes publicly disavow the Arpaio/ Zullo nonsense in the last days of this blog.

  68. avatar
    Reality Check January 5, 2017 at 6:03 am #

    Penzone already said he will shut it down because it is a waste of resources.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2016/11/arizona-birth-certificate-investigation-will-be-shut-down/

    Dave B.:
    I’d settle for Paul Penzone.

  69. avatar
    Nancy Owens, The Obama Forger January 5, 2017 at 6:04 am #

    Isn’t that show run by Mike Volin who many here claim is a convicted felon? Aren’t they fellow con artists? The guy in this video?: 😆

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a4f_1399501881

    bob:
    Sorry to ruin 2017 for you, Doc, but Zullo is going to be on WOBC BTR tomorrow night.

    I predict Zullo (like Gallups) will declare Obots “irrelevant,” and then proceed to critique their critiques of his latest flim-flammery.

  70. avatar
    Reality Check January 5, 2017 at 7:09 am #

    If he were to act ethically that is exactly what he would do. Of course if he acted ethically he would have turned down Zullo in the first place like the other 212 experts did.

    Pete: Most likely are.

    It would be lovely to see Reed Hayes publicly disavow the Arpaio/ Zullo nonsense in the last days of this blog.

  71. avatar
    Reality Check January 5, 2017 at 7:25 am #

    Mike Volin is a convicted felon. He admitted that to me in the chat room on his show. He was convicted of robbery in New York in the 90’s and served time. It’s in the public records. Volin wouldn’t discuss the particulars. I am sure there are court records if anyone cared to look. There are also multiple disciplinary matters on the record with the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board and his license to sell alcoholic beverages.

    His record only matters to me because he lied when he said that I along with other Obots were under a criminal investigation.

    Nancy Owens, The Obama Forger: Isn’t that show run by Mike Volin who many here claim is a convicted felon?

  72. avatar
    scott e January 5, 2017 at 10:45 am #

    Reality Check:
    Personally I wouldn’t go near anything with Trump’s name on it. They are all targets now.

    targeted by whom ? that seems pretty extreme.

  73. avatar
    scott e January 5, 2017 at 10:54 am #

    Pete: That’s his entire history.

    you’re missing the obvious, that correspondence dinner. that’s enough right there. winning the whitehouse is a quiet victory too.

  74. avatar
    scott e January 5, 2017 at 10:57 am #

    anyway, i’m starting birther101, this topic/caper is just too important to forget, same as bengazi.

  75. avatar
    Rickey January 5, 2017 at 10:59 am #

    scott e: targeted by whom ? that seems pretty extreme.

    By terrorists, of course. What better target than a luxury hotel with the name of the president of the United States on it?

  76. avatar
    Reality Check January 5, 2017 at 11:00 am #

    Trump properties around the world will be prime targets for terrorists. They are already parking dump trucks full of sand in front of the Trump Tower.

    scott e: targeted by whom ? that seems pretty extreme.

  77. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 5, 2017 at 11:05 am #

    One New Yorker told me that the city was a mess because of the additional security for Trump.

    Rickey: By terrorists, of course. What better target than a luxury hotel with the name of the president of the United States on it?

  78. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy January 5, 2017 at 11:07 am #

    I thought I was behind the curve starting Obama Conspiracy Theories in December of 2008. I was, of course wrong, but now does seems a bit late to get in the game.

    scott e: anyway, i’m starting birther101, this topic/caper is just too important to forget, same as bengazi.

  79. avatar
    donna January 5, 2017 at 12:40 pm #

    scott e: targeted by whom ? that seems pretty extreme.

    Please read the article I previously referenced:  Why Trump’s Hotels Will Doom Us All

    https://www.thenation.com/article/why-trumps-hotels-will-doom-us-all/

    Those scenarios are not “extreme”. Certainly terrorists can send “messengers on the cheap to get under the oh-so-thin-skin of the new American president and embroil him in God knows what.”

    Trump has his name emblazoned on properties in many (Muslim) foreign countries. Those countries are responsible for security. Could they turn a blind eye if (and when) terrorists plan to attack a “Trump building”?

    We recently saw how a bag of toys caused the evacuation of Trump Tower in NYC. It is estimated that security for that building would reach $35 million by the time of Mr. Trump’s inauguration on Jan 20. (Dec 5, 2016)

    Can we expect other (Muslim) foreign countries to do the same to protect our president’s building and especially since he has refused to put his holdings in a “blind trust”?

    “This morning, two workers on an elevated platform took down the Trump name one gold letter at a time from 140, 160 and 180 Riverside Boulevard, three apartment buildings in the Trump Place complex on New York’s West Side.” (Nov 16, 2016)

    Donald Trump’s Muslim ban was removed from his website, but it’s back (Nov. 10, 2016)

  80. avatar
    Dave B. January 5, 2017 at 3:08 pm #

    Yeah, but I mean publicly disavow that it was an investigation at all.

    Reality Check:
    Penzone already said he will shut it down because it is a waste of resources.

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2016/11/arizona-birth-certificate-investigation-will-be-shut-down/

  81. avatar
    Dave B. January 5, 2017 at 3:14 pm #

    Zullo gave him a heck of a deal on that TruCoat.

    Reality Check:
    If he were to act ethically that is exactly what he would do. Of course if he acted ethically he would have turned down Zullo in the first place like the other 212 experts did.

  82. avatar
    Joey January 5, 2017 at 3:27 pm #

    Obama Bests Trump as Most Admired Man in 2016
    The Gallup Poll

    PRINCETON, N.J. — Americans are most likely to name President Barack Obama as the man they admire most in 2016. Twenty-two percent mentioned Obama in response to the open-ended question. President-elect Donald Trump was second at 15%. It is Obama’s ninth consecutive win, but the seven-percentage-point margin this year is his narrowest victory yet.

    The results are based on a Dec. 7-11 poll. Since 1946, Gallup has asked Americans to name the man, living anywhere in the world, whom they admire most.

    Incumbent presidents typically win the distinction — in the 70 times Gallup has asked the question, the president has won 58 times. The 12 exceptions were mostly times when the sitting president was unpopular, including 2008, when Americans named President-elect Obama over President George W. Bush. Obama and Dwight Eisenhower in 1952 are the only presidents-elect to win the distinction. Eisenhower finished first 12 times, more than any other man in history. Obama is now second all-time with nine first-place finishes.

    Obama’s win over Trump this year is largely a result of the president earning more mentions among Democrats than Trump receives from Republicans. Fifty percent of Democrats named Obama as most admired, compared with 34% of Republicans choosing Trump.

    The remainder of this year’s top 10 most admired man list includes Pope Francis, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, the Rev. Billy Graham, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, The Dalai Lama, former President Bill Clinton, businessman and philanthropist Bill Gates, and Vice President-elect Mike Pence.

    This year marks the 60th time Graham has finished in the top 10 — a Gallup record. That includes making it into the top 10 every year since 1955, with the exception of the 1962 survey and in 1976, when the question was not asked.

    Pence is the only newcomer among the top 10 men this year. Trump has finished in the top 10 five prior times — in 1988, 1989, 1990, 2011 and 2015. Clinton made the top 10 for a 25th time and Gates for a 17th. Former President George W. Bush finished outside the top 10 for the first time since he was elected in 2000.

    Hillary Clinton Most Admired Woman a Record 21st Time

    Americans named Hillary Clinton the Most Admired Woman for the 15th consecutive year and 21st time overall. Since her initial win in 1993 as first lady, Clinton has topped the list every year but 1995 and 1996 (when she finished behind Mother Teresa) and 2001 (behind Laura Bush). Eleanor Roosevelt has the second-most No. 1 finishes among women, at 13.

    First lady Michelle Obama finished second on the Most Admired Woman list this year, tied with 2012 as her best finish. The remainder of the top 10 most admired women include German Chancellor Angela Merkel, former and current talk-show hosts Oprah Winfrey and Ellen DeGeneres, Queen Elizabeth of England, human rights activist Malala Yousafzai, former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

    All of this year’s leading women have finished in the top 10 multiple times before, led by Queen Elizabeth’s record 48. Winfrey’s 29th top 10 finish this year moved her ahead of Jacqueline Kennedy for the third-most-frequent appearances behind Queen Elizabeth and Margaret Thatcher (34). Clinton’s 25 top 10 finishes rank fifth-best all-time. Rice has finished in the top 10 a total of 16 times, while Obama and Palin each made their ninth appearances in the top 10 this year.

    Clinton was the top choice among Democrats, with 26% naming her, followed by Michelle Obama at 18%. Republicans did not have a consensus choice — 5% named Queen Elizabeth, 4% each named Clinton and DeGeneres, and 3% each named Rice and Palin.
    All of this year’s leading women have finished in the top 10 multiple times before, led by Queen Elizabeth’s record 48. Winfrey’s 29th top 10 finish this year moved her ahead of Jacqueline Kennedy for the third-most-frequent appearances behind Queen Elizabeth and Margaret Thatcher (34). Clinton’s 25 top 10 finishes rank fifth-best all-time. Rice has finished in the top 10 a total of 16 times, while Obama and Palin each made their ninth appearances in the top 10 this year.

    Clinton was the top choice among Democrats, with 26% naming her, followed by Michelle Obama at 18%. Republicans did not have a consensus choice — 5% named Queen Elizabeth, 4% each named Clinton and DeGeneres, and 3% each named Rice and Palin.

    All of this year’s leading women have finished in the top 10 multiple times before, led by Queen Elizabeth’s record 48. Winfrey’s 29th top 10 finish this year moved her ahead of Jacqueline Kennedy for the third-most-frequent appearances behind Queen Elizabeth and Margaret Thatcher (34). Clinton’s 25 top 10 finishes rank fifth-best all-time. Rice has finished in the top 10 a total of 16 times, while Obama and Palin each made their ninth appearances in the top 10 this year.

    Clinton was the top choice among Democrats, with 26% naming her, followed by Michelle Obama at 18%. Republicans did not have a consensus choice — 5% named Queen Elizabeth, 4% each named Clinton and DeGeneres, and 3% each named Rice and Palin.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/200771/obama-bests-trump-admired-man-2016.aspx?g_source=Politics&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles

  83. avatar
    brygenon January 5, 2017 at 10:34 pm #

    charo: The prevailing view for anti-Trumpers is that impeachment is sure to happen quickly.

    I’m an anti-Trumper but I think talk of impeachment at this point is inappropriate. And not for the reason…

    Rickey: The chances of Trump being impeached while the Republicans control the House of Representatives are zero.

    Trump is now in what is called the “honeymoon period”. He got elected. Give him a chance, including the change to not commit impeachable offenses.

    The idea that he’s impeachment-proof only because Republicans hold a House majority is sketchy at best. I like to think that no one actually wants the President to do something awful so he gets impeached, and certainly neither party wants it to happen to their own. Trump does not have deep ties to his party. During the primaries several Republican leaders distanced themselves from Trump. Had one of the other Republican candidates won, would a Republican House be more inclined to impeach?

    I’m no Trump fan and I’m not predicting great things. The honeymoon period will end. Trump’s response whenever anything doesn’t go his way is to vilify others. Having vanquished his enemies, he’s going to need to make some new ones.

  84. avatar
    Keith January 6, 2017 at 7:09 am #

    I’m an anti-Trumper but I think talk of impeachment at this point is inappropriate.

    I’m leaning on 28 months.

    I tried to start a book, but nobody took me up on it. Doc’s site won’t be active then anyway, so that is not a bad thing.

  85. avatar
    Lupin January 6, 2017 at 7:35 am #

    Keith:
    I’m an anti-Trumper but I think talk of impeachment at this point is inappropriate.

    I’m leaning on 28 months.

    I tried to start a book, but nobody took me up on it. Doc’s site won’t be active then anyway, so that is not a bad thing.

    I’m being told by Americans that the consensus view is that it’s better to have a Russian Puppet (mole) as Prez than a second Civil War.

    Great choice, guys!

  86. avatar
    Reality Check January 6, 2017 at 8:00 am #

    I think we have enough data that the republican leadership has exactly zero spine when it comes to Trump. When they thought Cruz, Kasich or some other candidate had a chance they dared to speak out against him. However, once it was clear that he had the nomination locked up they were falling all over themselves to get on their knees and do the deed. The only exceptions I can think of are Kasich and Romney. The most pathetic are Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz.

    brygenon: The idea that he’s impeachment-proof only because Republicans hold a House majority is sketchy at best. I like to think that no one actually wants the President to do something awful so he gets impeached, and certainly neither party wants it to happen to their own. Trump does not have deep ties to his party. During the primaries several Republican leaders distanced themselves from Trump. Had one of the other Republican candidates won, would a Republican House be more inclined to impeach?

  87. avatar
    Suranis January 6, 2017 at 12:25 pm #

    And then Romney bended the knee.

  88. avatar
    Suranis January 6, 2017 at 1:08 pm #

    Its an open secret that a lot of the “Trump” hotels are actually owned by other people, and all Trump has done is sell them his name. If his Hotels actually start being attacked, it would not surprise me if they suddenly announce that they are not actually owned by Trump and toss his stupid name off their Hotels.

  89. avatar
    Rickey January 6, 2017 at 5:36 pm #

    brygenon:

    Trump is now in what is called the “honeymoon period”. He got elected. Give him a chance, including the change to not commit impeachable offenses.

    It’s impossible to predict what will happen in the future. I was responding to Charo’s claim that anti-Trump people are expecting impeachment to happen “quickly.”

    I believe that it’s more likely that Trump will grow weary of the presidency and that he will either resign or decline to run for re-election in 2020.

  90. avatar
    donna January 6, 2017 at 8:10 pm #

    Suranis: If his Hotels actually start being attacked, it would not surprise me if they suddenly announce that they are not actually owned by Trump and toss his stupid name off their Hotels.

    And Trump will sue them.

    “As with almost every property with Trump’s name on it built over the past decade, his company is not the developer; it merely sold its name to Century Properties to use on the building. Although details of the transaction are not public, contracts for other Trump branding deals reviewed by Newsweek show that they require a multimillion-dollar up-front payment as well as up to 25 percent of the developer’s revenue, year after year.”

  91. avatar
    RanTalbott January 6, 2017 at 11:27 pm #

    brygenon: Give him a chance, including the change to not commit impeachable offenses.

    He’s had many chances. He blew most of them.

    He had many opportunities to deal honestly with the American people. He declined. His entire campaign of birthering was a continuous string of lies, right up to, and including, the moment he ended it. He lied about releasing his income tax returns, then lied about why he wasn’t releasing them. And told scores, if not hundreds, of other small and large lies during the election campaigns.

    He had opportunities to demonstrate the civility and maturity required of a POTUS. He took none of them.

    He had the opportunity to learn at least some of what he needed to know to serve. He refused.

    There is absolutely no reason to give him any “chances” beyond what’s legally required. He’s pledged to take actions that would harm the country, and the planet. Letting him make good on those pledges in the name of “fairness” is misguided.

    brygenon: Having vanquished his enemies, he’s going to need to make some new ones.

    He vanquished his political opponents. In that process, he made many new enemies.

  92. avatar
    RanTalbott January 6, 2017 at 11:39 pm #

    Suranis: And then Romney bended the knee.

    Looked to me more like he was bending the waist. And spreading the cheeks 😉

    Suranis: Its an open secret that a lot of the “Trump” hotels are actually owned by other people, and all Trump has done is sell them his name.

    It’s not that open a secret: I knew he had licensed his name to various residential properties (both rentals and condos) and office towers, but I thought all the hotels and resorts were his.

    Sadly, I agree that attacks are likely, especially on places abroad where terrorists roam more freely than they do here. If he carries out his threat to up the brutality of going after terrorists, he’ll create a whole new group of potential attackers, just as the Iraq War did.

    I just hope that not many innocents are harmed because of him.

  93. avatar
    Dave B. January 7, 2017 at 11:17 pm #

    A birther explaining why birthers “still” matter, having missed the point that they never did.

    http://mychal-massie.com/premium/heres-why-the-birther-movement-still-matter/