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Reince Priebus on challenges to Obama’s legitimacy

So Reince Priebus (pictured below) said:

But hang on a second, George, we’re not questioning the legitimacy of the outcome of the election. You didn’t have Republicans questioning whether or not Obama legitimately beat John McCain in 2008.

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I rest my case.

15 Responses to Reince Priebus on challenges to Obama’s legitimacy

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    Arthur January 16, 2017 at 9:25 am #

    Two things. First, Republicans did doubt the legitimacy of Obama’s electoral victories, as the proliferation of so-called voter fraud legislation shows. Second, numerous Republican representatives (at the state and federal level) questioned Obama’s constitutional legitimacy to be president through their support of birtherism. Republicans never stepped up to discredit birtherism.

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    JD Reed January 16, 2017 at 3:13 pm #

    Arthur:
    Two things. First, Republicans did doubt the legitimacy of Obama’s electoral victories, as the proliferation of so-called voter fraud legislation shows. Second, numerous Republican representatives (at the state and federal level) questioned Obama’s constitutional legitimacy to be president through their support of birtherism. Republicans never stepped up to discredit birtherism.

    Is that picture for real? Priebus and Taitz? If so, does anyone know the occasion that brought them together? Date and place?

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    bob January 16, 2017 at 4:19 pm #

    Yes, it is for real. IIRC, it was at CPAC (2010 or 2011?). Taitz bought herself a VIP pass, which presumably included a few grip-and-grin opportunities.

    Taitz has a similar picture (at a fundraiser) with her and the VPEOTUS (albeit from years ago).

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    brygenon January 17, 2017 at 4:48 am #

    I never made much of that kind of photo and the guilt-by-association it suggests. I always said that birtherism was a crank thing, not a Republican thing.
    But my view on that got Trumped.

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    bob January 17, 2017 at 11:45 am #

    brygenon:
    I never made much of that kind of photo and the guilt-by-association it suggests.

    Taitz’s photos with prominent Republicans show only that Taitz likes to spend money to have her picture taken with them. And that they, in turn, will take anybody’s money as payment for being in a photograph.

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    Rickey January 17, 2017 at 12:36 pm #

    brygenon:
    I never made much of that kind of photo and the guilt-by-association it suggests. I always said that birtherism was a crank thing, not a Republican thing.
    But my view on that got Trumped.

    Except that we know from Orly’s history that she would not have passed up the opportunity to give Priebus a copy of her “dossier” – or at least to bring up the subject.

    And while leading mainstream Republicans never embraced birtherism, they never disowned it, either.

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    JD Reed January 17, 2017 at 3:58 pm #

    Arthur: thing.

    Arthur:
    Two things. First, Republicans did doubt the legitimacy of Obama’s electoral victories, as the proliferation of so-called voter fraud legislation shows. Second, numerous Republican representatives (at the state and federal level) questioned Obama’s constitutional legitimacy to be president through their support of birtherism. Republicans never stepped up to discredit birtherism.

    Arthur:
    Two things. First, Republicans did doubt the legitimacy of Obama’s electoral victories, as the proliferation of so-called voter fraud legislation shows. Second, numerous Republican representatives (at the state and federal level) questioned Obama’s constitutional legitimacy to be president through their support of birtherism. Republicans never stepped up to discredit birtherism.

    Arthur:
    Two things. First, Republicans did doubt the legitimacy of Obama’s electoral victories, as the proliferation of so-called voter fraud legislation shows. Second, numerous Republican representatives (at the state and federal level) questioned Obama’s constitutional legitimacy to be president through their support of birtherism. Republicans never stepped up to discredit birtherism.

    Also, some Republicans cried voter fraud by counting the number of voter cards counted as synonymous with votes cast in Florida counties, when in fact the long ballot required voting two cards. They falsely asserted that 140 voter cards per 100 registered voters proved fraud. And that such alleged fraud must have been perpetrated by Democrats even in jurisdictions that voted overwhelmingly Republican. And even though the actual total votes counted bore a reasonable relationship to the number of registered voters.
    Plus, in an Ohio county that has an unusually high percentage of college students, and thus an unusually high percentage of registered voters in residence for a only a few years, the number of voter registrations outnumbered the number of voting-age adults. This was because departed students’ names were too tardily weeded from the voter rolls. Again, some insisted that Democrats must have stuffed the ballot box, even though the actual number of votes cast was Inline with the voting-age population.

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 17, 2017 at 4:07 pm #

    I’ve argued that misunderstanding with people. People just don’t want to understand. They would rather have a story to believe than to know the truth.

    JD Reed: They falsely asserted that 140 voter cards per 100 registered voters proved fraud.

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    JD Reed January 17, 2017 at 4:15 pm #

    My above post is about the 2012 presidential election. Also, my last line should have read “in line” rather than Inline.

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    RanTalbott January 17, 2017 at 6:38 pm #

    When someone on realclearpolitics asked the musical question “Where was Preibus when the birther lie was bantered about”, here’s what I wrote. I think it bears repeating because of how blatant the lies are (Priebus has also taken up the “electoral landslide” lie).

    Apparently in an alternate reality, because he said

    Donald Trump has made it clear that certainly over the last few years that President Obama was born in Hawaii.

    and

    But that issue has been resolved for years now, and it’s been resolved for at least two years in Donald Trump’s mind.

    Although the latter might be true: a recent magazine story claims that Jared Kushner, a couple of years ago, told a friend who was worried about Trump’s birfoonery that Trump didn’t believe the BS he was peddling. Which is both slightly comforting and disturbing: it means he may not be as stupid as he acts, but is even more evil than he seemed to be.

    ** END QUOTE **

    One of the arguments I made against Trump’s viability back in 2015 was that he would be rejected because of his non-stop parade of gaffes and lies. Not only was I wrong about that, it’s actually being turned into an advantage in a “post-truth” environment. That may be the scariest thing about these scary times: the resistance to evidence and truth among the birthers that we’ve been battling seems to be spreading, not fading away.

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    brygenon January 18, 2017 at 2:18 am #

    Rickey: And while leading mainstream Republicans never embraced birtherism, they never disowned it, either.

    Some did, but Trump changed things.

    I do want to point out that every conservative publication from, you know, Human Events, the Sweetness and Light Blog, American Spectator, dealt with this this because it was raised as an issue, and said there’s nothing to it. So for CNN or MSNBC or you Geraldo, the liberal on Fox, to be bringing this out as if it’s an issue — you know it’s just a few cranks out there — it’s like when networks bring on the three remaining klanners in America on T.V. [Ann Coulter on “Geraldo at Large”, Fox News, 24 July 2009]

    Turned out that Coulter wanted one of those few cranks that she likened to klanners to succeed Obama as President of the United States. She got here way on that.

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    JD Reed January 18, 2017 at 8:38 pm #

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    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I’ve argued that misunderstanding with people. People just don’t want to understand. They would rather have a story to believe than to know the truth.

    Amen, Doc! I’ve long been aware of this unfortunate truth. What I don’t know is what to do about it.

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    Joey January 18, 2017 at 11:59 pm #

    “And while leading mainstream Republicans never embraced birtherism, they never disowned it, either.”
    ————–
    I give credit to the few who did disown it:
    In a December 5, 2008, column, Fox News contributor Michelle Malkin compared those who questioned Obama’s citizenship to those who believed Gov. Sarah Palin “didn’t give birth to her youngest son, Trig,” and wrote that a “dangerously large segment of the birth certificate hunters have lurched into rabid Truther territory.” She went on to state:
    The most prominent crusader against Obama’s American citizenship claim, lawyer Philip Berg (who, not coincidentally, is also a prominent 9/11 Truther), disputes that Obama was born in Hawaii and claims that Obama’s paternal grandmother told him she saw Obama born in Kenya.
    Berg and his supporters further assert that the “Certification of Live Birth” produced by Obama was altered or forged. They claim that the contemporaneous birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper of Obama’s birth is insufficient evidence that he was born there. (Did a fortune-teller place it in the paper knowing he would run for president?)
    Malkin concluded: “I believe Trig was born to Sarah Palin. I believe Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on U.S. soil. I believe fire can melt steel and that bin Laden’s jihadi crew — not Bush and Cheney — perpetrated mass murder on 9/11. What kind of kooky conspiracist does that make me?”

    In a December 8, 2008, column headlined “Obama Derangement Syndrome,” David Horowitz, editor of the conservative website FrontPage Magazine, blasted “continuing efforts of a fringe group of conservatives to deny Obama his victory and to lay the basis for the claim that he is not a legitimate president” as being “embarrassing and destructive.” He added: “The fact that these efforts are being led by Alan Keyes, a demagogue who lost a Senate election to the then-unknown Obama by 42 points, should be a warning in itself.”

    Michael Medved, conservative radio talk-show host, referred to the leadership of the so-called “birther” movement as “crazy, nutburgers, demagogues, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters” who are “the worst enemy of the conservative movement.” According to a March 1 Politico article, Medved stated: “It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilized company.”

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    Joey January 19, 2017 at 1:04 pm #

    Republicans who deserve credit for rejecting birthers:
    Every state and federal judge appointed by Republicans ruled against birthers. A few of my favorites:
    Appointed by conservative Republican Governor Jan Brewer, Arizona Superior Court Judge Richard E. Gordon: “Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.”–Pima County Superior Court, Tuscon, Arizona, March 7, 2012

    Appointed by George W. Bush, U.S. District Court Judge Clay D. Land: “A spurious claim questioning the president’s constitutional legitimacy may be protected by the First Amendment, but a Court’s placement of its imprimatur upon a claim that is so lacking in factual support that it is frivolous would undoubtedly disserve the public interest.”—U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia, September 16, 2009.
    Judge Land then sanctioned Orly Taitz $20,000 for wasting his time with nonsense.
    Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas deserves credit for refusing to grant Taitz a stay of the imposition of Judge Land’s sanction.

    Ronald Reagan appointed Chief Judge Royce Lamberth, “This is one of several such suits filed by Ms. Taitz in her quixotic attempt to prove that President Obama is not a natural born citizen, as is required by the Constitution. This Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.”– Chief U.S. District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth, U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, April 14, 2010

    Judge Lamberth also came as close as a Reagan appointed judge could come to laughing Taitz out of court in her attempt to get Barack Obama’s Social Sevurity files.
    Michael Astrue, the Bush-appointed Commissioner of the Social Security Administration was the defendant: “Ever persistent, plaintiff has once again come before this Court in an effort to uncover ‘the biggest cover up in the history of this nation.’ She believes that the President is using a ‘fraudulently obtained’ social security number and that the Social Security Administration—among other agencies—is involved in a scheme to ‘cover up social security fraud, IRS fraud, elections fraud and possibly treason’ committed by the President. As her numerous filings with the Court demonstrate, plaintiff will stop at nothing to get to the bottom of this alleged conspiracy. Unfortunately for plaintiff, today is not her lucky day.”-Chief U.S. District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth, August 30, 2011
    To the best of my knowledge, only two judges or justices ever voted the birthers’ way and those two were arguably the two most right wing Justices in America, Roy Moore and Tom Parker of the Alabama Supreme Court. They were overruled by 7 other elected Republican Justices on that Court on the narrow birther issue of does Alabama law permit the Secretary of State to investigate a candidate for president’s birth certificate.

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    bob January 19, 2017 at 1:32 pm #

    Lamberth, however, also sullied himself by indulging Arpaio, Klayman, Zullo, and Montgomery.