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  1. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 12, 2017 at 9:02 am  (Quote) #

    “A lot of Trump voters don’t think we should have Black History Month,” said
    Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “But given that a majority them
    don’t know Frederick Douglass is dead, they might need it.”

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2017/PPP_Release_National_21017.pdf

    The poll itself is appalling.

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    Pete February 12, 2017 at 3:14 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy: The poll itself is appalling.

    You mean the part that shows Americans are already evenly divided on whether we should impeach Trump?

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    J.D. Sue February 12, 2017 at 3:34 pm  (Quote) #

    Pete: You mean the part that shows Americans are already evenly divided on whether we should impeach Trump?

    —-

    Or that by a 51/23 margin Trump voters say that the Bowling Green Massacre shows why Trump’s immigration policy is needed?

    Or that only 47% of Trump voters know that Frederick Douglass is dead?

    Sounds like birthers.

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    Rickey February 12, 2017 at 5:41 pm  (Quote) #

    Pete: You mean the part that shows Americans are already evenly divided on whether we should impeach Trump?

    I’m torn on that. On the one had, Trump is unfit to be president. On the other hand, he may turn out to be so unfit that the Democrats will be able to retake control of Congress in two years. From a policy standpoint Pence would be no better, but he would seem better by comparison.

    Yesterday I actually succeeded in convincing a few Trump supporters on Facebook that his suggestion about imposing a 20% tariff on imports from Mexico will never cause Mexico to pay for a wall, because it can’t. Tariffs are ultimately paid by the consumers of imports, not the manufacturers.

    The odd thing is that these so-called conservatives know so little about conservatism. Every prominent conservative economist of the past 240 years, from Adam Smith to Milton Friedman, has been opposed to tariffs because they distort the free market. In fact, tariffs are intended to distort the market – it used to be called protectionism.

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 12, 2017 at 8:04 pm  (Quote) #

    And as much as I dislike Trump, I would not support impeachment–not without a high crime or misdemeanor. That might take a few more weeks.

    Pete: You mean the part that shows Americans are already evenly divided on whether we should impeach Trump?

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 12, 2017 at 8:05 pm  (Quote) #

    It IS birthers.

    J.D. Sue: Sounds like birthers.

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    Pete February 12, 2017 at 9:02 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy: And as much as I dislike Trump, I would not support impeachment–not without a high crime or misdemeanor. That might take a few more weeks.

    Give it until April 15th.

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    Keith February 12, 2017 at 11:15 pm  (Quote) #

    Is anybody running a book on impeachment?

    If the over/under is 28 months, I think I’ll take the over. I gotta go with my head on this one, not the heart.

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    Pete February 12, 2017 at 11:25 pm  (Quote) #

    Keith: Is anybody running a book on impeachment?

    OHHHH yes.

    But more in terms of “yes” or “no.” Ladbrokes is currently giving about 48% odds of impeachment or resignation during the next 4 years.

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    Rickey February 13, 2017 at 12:06 am  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    And as much as I dislike Trump, I would not support impeachment–not without a high crime or misdemeanor. That might take a few more weeks.

    The other part would be convincing the Republicans in Congress that he needs to be impeached. I don’t see that happening unless and until there is polling data that shows them in danger of losing control of the House and the Senate.

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    Keith February 13, 2017 at 7:04 am  (Quote) #

    Here’s a chuckle from 10 years ago. The Shurf gets a mention.

    Baa-aaaaaad News

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    Sef February 13, 2017 at 11:52 am  (Quote) #

    Russian spies in the White House. https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-spies-white-house-secrets-130259265.html Wouldn’t be at all surprised to find out Trump’s Twitter machine has been hacked.

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    Crustacean February 13, 2017 at 2:23 pm  (Quote) #

    [a crab emerges from the depths to leave an offering, and then scurries back, muttering, “Justicedemocrats.com, Justicedemocrats.com…”]

    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/how-our-likes-helped-trump-win

    Rickey: Trump supporters on Facebook

  14. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 13, 2017 at 4:28 pm  (Quote) #
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    Dr. Conspiracy February 13, 2017 at 6:33 pm  (Quote) #

    I have removed the User Login link from the Site-Info menu, but you can still login by adding /wp-login.php after .org.

    The site no longer accepts new user registrations, and the plug-in that restricted bots from doing that is removed.

    Automatic tweeting of new articles is removed since there are no new articles, but should a new article ever appear, I will tweet it manually.

    Dr. Con’s Leftist Propaganda Blog will tweet new articles there.

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 13, 2017 at 6:40 pm  (Quote) #

    Reminds me of the WND article from October of 2009:

    “Is it Time to Whisper the Word ‘Impeachment’?”

    http://www.wnd.com/2009/10/112223/

    Keith: Is anybody running a book on impeachment?

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    Northland10 February 13, 2017 at 7:19 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I have removed the User Login link from the Site-Info menu, but you can still login by adding /wp-login.php after .org.

    Now I wonder why I didn’t add the login or the admin page to my favorites. It would have been quicker then scrolling up on my phone to select User Login.

  18. avatar
    Joey February 14, 2017 at 1:29 am  (Quote) #

    Bye bye National Security Advisor Flynn, we hardly knew ye.

  19. avatar
    Sef February 14, 2017 at 9:12 am  (Quote) #

    Joey:
    Bye bye National Security Advisor Flynn, we hardly knew ye.

    I’m shocked! Shocked, I tells ya!

  20. avatar
    Arthur B. February 14, 2017 at 10:34 am  (Quote) #

    Any bets on whom the Fearful Leader is going to blame for the Flynn debacle? Obama? Crooked Hillary? Pocahontas?

  21. avatar
    Sef February 14, 2017 at 10:45 am  (Quote) #

    Any truth to the rumour that El Trumpo wanted Peter of England to head IMF?

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    Joey February 14, 2017 at 2:04 pm  (Quote) #

    Four Republican Senators (Murkowski, Collins, Issacson and Scott) say they will vote against the confirmation of Trump nominee Andrew Puzder as Secretary of Labor. It seems Mr. Puzder hired an illegal alien as his housekeeper. Republicans tend not to like that.

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    J.D. Sue February 14, 2017 at 4:05 pm  (Quote) #

    Arthur B.: Any bets on whom the Fearful Leader is going to blame for the Flynn debacle? Obama? Crooked Hillary? Pocahontas?

    —-
    The press aka “the opposition”.

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    Arthur B. February 14, 2017 at 5:04 pm  (Quote) #

    I was a very active follower of the Watergate scandal in its day, at one point even traveling to D.C. to see what I could observe in person. (Answer — nothing of great significance, although I did manage to find my way into the gallery of Judge Sirica’s courtroom on Feb. 25, 1974, and got to watch Herbert Kalmbach plead guilty.)

    Anyway, my memory is pretty clear about one thing. The initial reaction of Nixon and virtually all the Republicans was that the whole thing was purely a partisan issue, being at best exaggerated and at worst invented by Nixon’s “political enemies.” I could see that the end was finally approaching as I watched the Republicans come to realize that they were on the losing end, and his loss of support became an avalanche.

    I find it interesting, and encouraging, that we seem to have passed that stage this time around. While some Republicans are trying to play down the importance of the Russian issue, there are relatively few full-throated defenders of Trump, and several powerful Republicans have made it clear that they will not close their eyes to what is happening.

    It may be, at least in part, because they are also troubled by the clear signals that Trump and some of his key supporters take the position that his authority cannot be checked or even questioned. While some Republicans may believe in an imperial presidency, I don’t think many want to see that kind of power in Trump’s hands — they literally don’t know what he would do with it.

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    Reality Check February 14, 2017 at 6:12 pm  (Quote) #

    I had Flynn in the pool. Do I win anything?

    Arthur B.:
    Any bets on whom the Fearful Leader is going to blame for the Flynn debacle? Obama? Crooked Hillary? Pocahontas?

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    Sef February 14, 2017 at 7:44 pm  (Quote) #

    Arthur B.: Watergate scanda

    I haven’t yet heard anyone use the phrase “there is a cancer on the Presidency”. John Dean shows up on talk/news shows every once in a while. Maybe he’ll resurrect it.

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    donna February 14, 2017 at 8:13 pm  (Quote) #

    Sef: I haven’t yet heard anyone use the phrase “there is a cancer on the Presidency”

    CNN’s Fareed Zakaria: “Your view of Hillary Clinton is irrelevant. Donald Trump is not a normal candidate. He is a cancer on American democracy. And that’s why I will vote against him next Tuesday.”

    http://www.mediaite.com/election-2016/fareed-zakaria-your-views-of-clinton-are-irrelevant-trump-is-cancer-on-american-democracy/

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    Sef February 14, 2017 at 8:24 pm  (Quote) #

    donna:
    Sef: I haven’t yet heard anyone use the phrase “there is a cancer on the Presidency”

    CNN’s Fareed Zakaria: “Your view of Hillary Clinton is irrelevant. Donald Trump is not a normal candidate. He is a cancer on American democracy. And that’s why I will vote against him next Tuesday.”

    http://www.mediaite.com/election-2016/fareed-zakaria-your-views-of-clinton-are-irrelevant-trump-is-cancer-on-american-democracy/

    Thanks for the update.

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    Reality Check February 14, 2017 at 10:49 pm  (Quote) #

    Brian Reilly’s comment that was removed from the NC Renegade blog has been reposted as a separate article. I won’t post a link because this blog is a cesspool of racist Teatards who want to fight the Civil War again. Why Brian cares about what these losers think is beyond me.

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    Keith February 15, 2017 at 6:53 am  (Quote) #

    Adam Hills (Australian Comedian) gave a brilliant review of how to spot fake news on his British TV (Channel 4, I think) show “The Last Leg” a couple of days ago.

    The Last Leg segment on Fake News

    He takes a big shot at WND ( anybody ever read the disclaimer?).

    Adam Hills was big on Aussie TV before he got ‘promoted’ to the ‘big time’.

    I dunno if you can find “The Last Leg” on American cable somewhere, but it is worth chasing up.

  31. avatar
    bob February 15, 2017 at 5:03 pm  (Quote) #

    Over at the P&E, Litcher relives his glory days.

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    Arthur B. February 15, 2017 at 6:08 pm  (Quote) #

    And it looks like our friend Larry Klayman has filed an amicus brief in Washington v. Trump.

    http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/general/2017/02/15/17-35105%20-%20Freedom%20Watch%20Inc%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf

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    Keith February 15, 2017 at 9:17 pm  (Quote) #

    Handy guide to Fake New Sites: Fake News Checker

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    Rickey February 15, 2017 at 11:52 pm  (Quote) #

    bob:
    Over at the P&E, Litcher relives his glory days.

    The Lakin petition has only 5,412 signatures. It needs 94,588 signatures by February 20. Another birther fail.

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    donna February 16, 2017 at 1:18 pm  (Quote) #

    Was Trump really a top student at Wharton?

    Not so much.

    http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/02/trump-academics-at-wharton

    Trump got into Wharton as a special favor from a “friendly” admissions officer who knew Trump’s older brother, Freddy. The college’s admissions staff surely knew that Trump’s father was a wealthy real estate developer and a potential donor.

    Quelle surprise!

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    Arthur B. February 16, 2017 at 4:46 pm  (Quote) #

    “Attorney General Bob Ferguson declared victory in State v. Trump, in light of the U.S. Department of Justice’s filing in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals today. Justice, on behalf of President Trump, represented to the court that: ‘the President intends in the near future to rescind the Order and replace it with a new, substantially revised Executive Order’ to eliminate constitutional concerns.”

    AG’s statement here: http://www.atg.wa.gov/news/news-releases/ag-ferguson-president-trump-concedes-defeat, DoJ’s filing here: http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/general/2017/02/16/17-35105%20-%20Government%20supplemental%20brief.pdf

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    Crustacean February 17, 2017 at 11:21 pm  (Quote) #

    I had to crawl out from under my rock for this one, because I happen to know for a fact that Donald Trump knows exactly what his class rank was.

    When my father-in-law – who also attended Wharton – was up for his first federal judgeship, he was required to disclose his class rank. When he called the school, the person on the line said, “Hey, what a coincidence! I have Donald Trump on another line, and he’s asking the same question.”

    donna: Was Trump really a top student at Wharton?

    Not so much.

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    Reality Check February 18, 2017 at 9:12 am  (Quote) #

    Looks like the comments have closed on the other posts. I wanted to say thanks to Kevin Vicklund. He was very helpful on the figuring out the Xerox Work Centre work flow for the Obama LFBC PDF and has done a fantastic job in general debunking Birthers everywhere. From what he has written I believe we re in the same line of work.

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    Rickey February 19, 2017 at 3:58 am  (Quote) #

    We’re into week five of the Trump Administration and he still hasn’t said a word about Obama’s eligibility. In fact, whenever he mentions him he makes a point of calling him “President Obama.”

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    Reality Check February 19, 2017 at 7:19 am  (Quote) #

    Nor does he seem interested in investigating Hillary Clinton. I think he is too busy with his own scandals.

    Rickey:
    We’re into week five of the Trump Administration and he still hasn’t said a word about Obama’s eligibility. In fact, whenever he mentions him he makes a point of calling him “President Obama.”

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    Joey February 19, 2017 at 2:19 pm  (Quote) #

    Trump International Golf Club is now open in Dubai, United Arab Emirates
    “Trumps Thank Dubai For Love and Friendship”
    http://www.khaleejtimes.com/sport/trumps-sons-eric-and-donald-jr-in-dubai-to-open-golf-club

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    Rickey February 19, 2017 at 4:22 pm  (Quote) #

    In other “news,” Cody Robert Judy is asking for contributions to pay off his “campaign debt.”

    He doesn’t comprehend that his supposed “new evidence” doesn’t entitle him to have his lawsuit reopened. As the Court of Appeals explained to him, “Even taking all his allegations as true and construing them in the light most favorable to his case, we see nothing even suggesting that he would ever be entitled to any sort of relief for President Obama’s (and the other Defendants’) supposed wrongdoing. Judy cannot point to a single case that construes any of these statutes in a way supporting his claims for relief.”

    He still hasn’t pointed to a single case.

  43. avatar
    bob February 19, 2017 at 11:33 pm  (Quote) #

    Rickey: In other “news,” Cody Robert Judy is asking for contributions to pay off his “campaign debt.”

    Ex-con Judy’s latest blog post focuses too much on Doc for taste.

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    Reality Check February 20, 2017 at 9:45 am  (Quote) #

    Better there than here. Judy is one sick puppy. He is in a class with Lucas Smith.

    bob: Ex-con Judy’s latest blog post focuses too much on Doc for taste.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater February 20, 2017 at 10:12 pm  (Quote) #

    bob: Ex-con Judy’s latest blog post focuses too much on Doc for taste.

    Maybe if he wasn’t being such an unrepentant terrorist he could learn some web design skills.

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 21, 2017 at 1:39 pm  (Quote) #

    The video highlights my attendance at the Civitan Club–Civitan being a charitable organization that focuses on research to help individuals with developmental disabilities. It also shows my activity supporting the Annual March of Dimes walk. Also two of my volunteer days with the Special Olympics are highlighted.

    I was just explaining to someone a couple of days ago that asking questions can be innuendo, and that words have consequences. The consequence to Mr. Judy is a permanent ban at this web site.

    bob: Ex-con Judy’s latest blog post focuses too much on Doc for taste.

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    Reality Check February 21, 2017 at 4:28 pm  (Quote) #

    Well that made my day.

    Dr. Conspiracy: The consequence to Mr. Judy is a permanent ban at this web site.

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    Pete February 21, 2017 at 7:03 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Maybe if he wasn’t being such an unrepentant terrorist he could learn some web design skills.

    He already did, at the Birther-Bloggar Sckool of Web Dezine.

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    Reality Check February 22, 2017 at 7:41 am  (Quote) #

    Judy stole that video from Lucas Smith BTW.

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    Notorial Dissent February 22, 2017 at 12:49 pm  (Quote) #

    Why. He hasn’t learned how to spell or write anything even remotely coherent in all the time I have been aware of him, and web design is even harder than writing a gibberish sentence, although that may be the way he does web design.

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Maybe if he wasn’t being such an unrepentant terrorist he could learn some web design skills.

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 22, 2017 at 5:13 pm  (Quote) #

    Montgomery Blair Sibley is petitioning the Supreme Court to have the order lifted that prevents him from disclosing the phone records of the “DC Madam.”

    http://montgomeryblairsibley.com/library/ApplicationFinal.pdf

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    Rickey February 22, 2017 at 5:37 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    The video highlights my attendance at the Civitan Club–Civitan being a charitable organization that focuses on research to help individuals with developmental disabilities. It also shows my activity supporting the Annual March of Dimes walk. Also two of my volunteer days with the Special Olympics are highlighted.

    I was just explaining to someone a couple of days ago that asking questions can be innuendo, and that words have consequences. The consequence to Mr. Judy is a permanent ban at this web site.

    The inclusion of photos of your wife is beyond the pale.

    And I’m guessing that it is a safe assumption that you have never met Alvin Onaka, not that it would be evidence of a conspiracy even if you had.

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 22, 2017 at 5:45 pm  (Quote) #

    I wouldn’t describe it as a “safe assumption,” but in fact I have never met Onaka. I had never heard of Onaka apart from the birth certificate business. I am the author of the Alvin Onaka Wikipedia article, but it is comprised (as are all Wikipedia articles) from public sources.

    My company was a corporate member of NAPHSIS and Onaka was president of that organization. However, he wasn’t president any of the years when I attended their annual meetings.

    Rickey: And I’m guessing that it is a safe assumption that you have never met Alvin Onaka, not that it would be evidence of a conspiracy even if you had.

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 22, 2017 at 5:49 pm  (Quote) #

    Yes, it is. I had seen the video before, and if I recall correctly, it is a Lucas Smith production. Smith engaged in a doxing campaign against me for reasons he did not disclose and about which I can only speculate.

    Rickey: The inclusion of photos of your wife is beyond the pale.

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    Rickey February 22, 2017 at 10:28 pm  (Quote) #

    Judy apparently has filed a “Notice for Judgement and Affadavit [sic] of Plaintiff” in his doomed effort to reopen Judy v. Obama. His theory is that he is entitled to a judgment in his favor because no one has responded to his Motion for Relief of Judgement that he filed last month.

    He still hasn’t figured out that even if he properly served the defendants, he can’t be granted anything because he hasn’t made a coherent argument (or any argument, really) that he is entitled to relief that the Court can grant.

    One might think that by now he would have learned how to spell “affidavit,” but one thing that Judy demonstrates over and over again is that he is incapable of learning.

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 23, 2017 at 8:16 am  (Quote) #

    The OARPA.net web site has been deleted. It never had any content. A copy exists in the web archive.

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    Northland10 February 23, 2017 at 8:58 am  (Quote) #

    Rickey: Judy apparently has filed a “Notice for Judgement and Affadavit [sic] of Plaintiff” in his doomed effort to reopen Judy v. Obama. His theory is that he is entitled to a judgment in his favor because no one has responded to his Motion for Relief of Judgement that he filed last month.

    Since none of the defendants were served or made an appearance in the original case, there is nobody to actually respond. Of course, as you mentioned, his latest attempt did not address any of the original defects so any “new evidence” is useless. Oh, then there is the out of time issue.

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    bob February 23, 2017 at 12:05 pm  (Quote) #

    It is funny how ex-con Judy zooms from “relief from judgment” to “motion for judgment.” No trial, no evidence — just dreams of winning!

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    Rickey February 23, 2017 at 1:13 pm  (Quote) #

    bob:
    It is funny how ex-con Judy zooms from “relief from judgment” to “motion for judgment.” No trial, no evidence — just dreams of winning!

    And somebody should tell him that the preferred spelling in the U.S. is “judgment.”

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