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The additional open thread: Spring forward edition

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72 Responses to The additional open thread: Spring forward edition

  1. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 12, 2017 at 2:09 pm  (Quote) #

    Mike Zullo responds to Malik Obama tweeted fake birth certificate.

    But really, they’re still talking about Obama’s birth certificate?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G2lbv8TsyE

  2. avatar
    bob March 12, 2017 at 5:46 pm  (Quote) #

    And Dennis Montgomery! Zullo, Gallups, Klayman, and Montgomery collectively bring up Rondeau on a near-daily basis.

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    Dave B. March 12, 2017 at 6:13 pm  (Quote) #
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    Dr. Conspiracy March 13, 2017 at 7:29 am  (Quote) #

    I took a few minutes to comment on that article, pointing out the reasons we know the Kenyan certificate is a fake. The news stories just refer to it is a fake without supporting details.

    Dave B.: The other Obamas in Kenya are responding to Malik’s tweet, too:

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    Nancy Owens, The Obama Forger March 13, 2017 at 12:40 pm  (Quote) #

    ZulloMoore lying again about JoAnn’Ee birth certificate at the 8:30 mark.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Mike Zullo responds to Malik Obama tweeted fake birth certificate.

    But really, they’re still talking about Obama’s birth certificate?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G2lbv8TsyE

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    Joey March 13, 2017 at 7:44 pm  (Quote) #

    Do any of the experts here know when Barack Obama got his first U.S. passport? I remember that he was removed from his mother’s passport in the 1960s but is there proof of when he first received his very own passport?
    Now that he’s a private citizen again, would his passport history be available under an FOIA request?

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    bob March 13, 2017 at 7:58 pm  (Quote) #

    Joey: [B]ut is there proof of when he first received his very own passport?

    No later than 2009.

    Now that he’s a private citizen again, would his passport history be available under an FOIA request?

    No. No third-party FOIA requests for living people are granted (unless there is a waiver).

  8. avatar
    gorefan March 13, 2017 at 8:15 pm  (Quote) #

    Joey:
    Do any of the experts here know when Barack Obama got his first U.S. passport? I remember that he was removed from his mother’s passport in the 1960s but is there proof of when he first received his very own passport?
    Now that he’s a private citizen again, would his passport history be available under an FOIA request?

    Proof? No, but in his book Dreams of My Father there is a passage about arriving in Honolulu from Indonesia (Spring, 1979) and custom officer asking if he was an American and the ten year old handed him his passport.

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    H. Keith March 13, 2017 at 11:00 pm  (Quote) #

    gorefan: Proof? No, but in his book Dreams of My Father there is a passage about arriving in Honolulu from Indonesia (Spring, 1979) and custom officer asking if he was an American and the ten year old handed him his passport.

    He would have gotten his own when he was taken off his mother’s. He had to have a passport to return to Hawaii for school.

    Being President had nothing to do with FOIA rejections for his passport records. Such records are protected for ALL living persons President or not.

    Doc has more relevent experience with the issue of course.

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    Joey March 13, 2017 at 11:10 pm  (Quote) #

    gorefan: Proof? No, but in his book Dreams of My Father there is a passage about arriving in Honolulu from Indonesia (Spring, 1979) and custom officer asking if he was an American and the ten year old handed him his passport.

    Now THAT’s what I was looking for! Thanks Gorefan.
    Thanks everyone else for the info on living persns and FOIA requests. Now I understand how birthers were able to get Obama Senior’s INS files which they used to disparage him.
    I needed this nfo to fight with some birthers on yet another right wing blog.

  11. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 14, 2017 at 12:51 pm  (Quote) #

    I came across a couple of interesting twitter statistics.

    Followers:
    Donald Trump: 26.5 million
    Barack Obama: 85.8 million

    Following:
    Donald Trump: 42
    Barack Obama: 631 thousand

    Trump follows his family, his businesses and some conservative talking heads.

  12. avatar
    bob March 14, 2017 at 6:12 pm  (Quote) #

    birtherreport.com’s registration has expired.

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    Reality Check March 14, 2017 at 11:47 pm  (Quote) #

    It seems the Birther kingdom is rotting from the inside out. First the MCSO CCP goes extinct and now BR.

    bob:
    birtherreport.com’s registration has expired.

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    Keith March 15, 2017 at 5:31 am  (Quote) #

    Can’t remember if I posted this before or not.

    Nice takedown of WND at about the 2:40 mark.

    The Last Leg: How to spot fake news

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 15, 2017 at 10:57 am  (Quote) #

    I wonder if Nelson is out of circulation.

    bob: birtherreport.com’s registration has expired.

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 15, 2017 at 11:09 am  (Quote) #

    That’s World News Daily, rather than WorldNetDaily.

    Keith: Nice takedown of WND at about the 2:40 mark.

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    bob March 15, 2017 at 11:47 am  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I wonder if Nelson is out of circulation.

    When Zullo was last on WOBC BTR, he said Nelson was fine, but Zullo didn’t explain why Nelson let his site go stale (or why Zullo let the CCP’s site go dark).

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    Reality Check March 15, 2017 at 12:41 pm  (Quote) #

    While mcsoccp.org has expired another page, coldcaseposse.org is still active. I suggest you all check it out.

    bob: When Zullo was last on WOBC BTR, he said Nelson was fine, but Zullo didn’t explain why Nelson let his site go stale (or why Zullo let the CCP’s site go dark).

  19. avatar
    Nancy Owens, The Obama Forger March 15, 2017 at 12:46 pm  (Quote) #

    Again, Mike ZulloMoore and company are using fake evidence. How far can you go once that’s exposed? When people discover the truth, it’s time to stop the con job.

    bob: When Zullo was last on WOBC BTR, he said Nelson was fine, but Zullo didn’t explain why Nelson let his site go stale (or why Zullo let the CCP’s site go dark).

  20. avatar
    Joey March 15, 2017 at 2:34 pm  (Quote) #

    I think they might want to change their domain name to “coldposse.org”. There is no case.
    We are now at the three month mark since the last “press conference” and not one member of Congress has ever mentioned the “investigation.”

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    Keith March 15, 2017 at 3:03 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    That’s World News Daily, rather than WorldNetDaily.

    Oh.

    Yeah.

    OK.

  22. avatar
    gorefan March 15, 2017 at 3:42 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    While mcsoccp.org has expired another page, coldcaseposse.org is still active. I suggest you all check it out.

    Coming Soon = Any Day Now

  23. avatar
    donna March 15, 2017 at 9:19 pm  (Quote) #

    Tweet du jour re the new HI decision on Trump’s Muslim ban:

    Ali Gharib‏ @Ali_Gharib

    In an epic act of trolling, a Hawaii judge is responding to Trump’s Muslim ban by showing him America’s birth certificate.
    3:50 PM – 15 Mar 2017

    https://twitter.com/Ali_Gharib/status/842145900625559552

    Federal judge in Hawaii puts revised Trump travel ban on hold; Trump calls it ‘judicial overreach’

    http://q13fox.com/2017/03/15/federal-judge-in-hawaii-says-he-will-issue-his-decision-on-new-trump-travel-ban-before-it-takes-effect-tonight/

    New Fox Poll

    29. What’s the ONE thing that you really want President Trump to get done — the thing that would make you happy if he accomplished only that and nothing else? [RANDOMIZE]

    Create jobs 33%
    Destroy ISIS 23
    Cut taxes 10
    Put Constitutionalists on the Supreme Court 9
    Repeal and replace Obamacare 7
    Reduce federal regulations 3
    Build a border wall 3
    (Other/None of the above) 10
    (Don’t know) 2

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2017/03/15/fox-news-poll-315/

  24. avatar
    J.D. Sue March 16, 2017 at 2:00 pm  (Quote) #
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    H. Keith March 16, 2017 at 6:26 pm  (Quote) #
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    gorefan March 17, 2017 at 12:53 am  (Quote) #

    Anyone remember Steve Stockman. He was the Congressman who was onboard with the Zullo birth certificate until he suddenly wasn’t. He’s been arrested.

    “According to the complaint, in 2011 Stockman set up a non-profit called Life Without Limits in Las Vegas. A single contributor donated $350,000 to the charity, which Stockman then allegedly funneled back to himself through donations made by his employees.”

    http://www.click2houston.com/news/former-texas-congressman-steve-stockman-accused-of-violating-federal-election-law

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    Rickey March 17, 2017 at 2:12 pm  (Quote) #

    gorefan:
    Anyone remember Steve Stockman.He was the Congressman who was onboard with the Zullo birth certificate until he suddenly wasn’t.He’s been arrested.

    “According to the complaint, in 2011 Stockman set up a non-profit called Life Without Limits in Las Vegas. A single contributor donated $350,000 to the charity, which Stockman then allegedly funneled back to himself through donations made by his employees.”

    A “family values” Republican State Senator in Oklahoma was arrested yesterday and charged with child prostitution.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/oklahoma-senator-found-with-teen-in-motel-could-face-charges/2017/03/15/95ad7492-09e6-11e7-bd19-fd3afa0f7e2a_story.html?utm_term=.73193f880b5a

  28. avatar
    Rickey March 17, 2017 at 3:56 pm  (Quote) #

    CRJ Update:

    In his latest pity party Judy whines that he was sent to prison because of his “religious tenants” [sic] and he continues to be unapologetic about the fact that he terrified thousands of people. He also is moaning that he has had three failed marriages (gee, I wonder why?). He hates immigrants so he thinks that polygamy would be a good way to get more white babies in the U.S.

    He also believes that his book will one day be a New York Times best seller. And that pigs can fly.

  29. avatar
    Joey March 17, 2017 at 5:59 pm  (Quote) #

    Rickey: “In his latest pity party Judy whines that he was sent to prison because of his “religious tenants” [sic]

    I’ve always found that religious tenants are more likely to pay the rent on time.

  30. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 17, 2017 at 6:24 pm  (Quote) #

    Here’s the brief article:

    “Yes, it’s true, Barack Obama, while president, bugged Donald Trump at the Trump Tower in New York. But it’s excusable.

    Obama keeps his birth certificate at his home in the top drawer of his night table. But one night, when he checked, it wasn’t there. As a result, he ordered bugs put up for two days at the Trump Tower, but Donald Trump never mentioned anything about Barack’s birth certificate, so Obama removed the bugs.

    After the bugs were gone, Trump happily told an aide, now fired, that he had burned the birth certificate. The identity of this aide is being withheld at his request.”

    H. Keith: Geo blocked. Why would that be?

  31. avatar
    J.D. Sue March 17, 2017 at 6:24 pm  (Quote) #
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    Dr. Conspiracy March 18, 2017 at 6:51 am  (Quote) #

    Trump’s ‘Wiretap’ Claims Are A Return To Those Old Birther Instincts

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-wiretap-claims_us_58caf2bee4b0be71dcf2dff0

  33. avatar
    Reality Check March 18, 2017 at 2:53 pm  (Quote) #

    I read that article earlier today. I liked this part:

    I think it’s important to remember that the root cause of all this michegas is the fact that Trump is an emotionally unstable, fake news-loving nitwit, and that this specific outpouring of nitwittery has now consumed a lot of the time and energy of people on the government payroll who are, ostensibly, serious.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Trump’s ‘Wiretap’ Claims Are A Return To Those Old Birther Instincts

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-wiretap-claims_us_58caf2bee4b0be71dcf2dff0

  34. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 18, 2017 at 4:21 pm  (Quote) #

    Looks like it’s just a coming soon site. The domain was registered Jan. 24, 2017 with a proxy registrant name. obamareleaseyourrecords.com also expired.

    On the other hand coldcaseposse.com is an interesting site, but not birther related.

    I’m going to let GerbilReport.com expire.

    http://www.gerbilreport.com/2017/03/gerbilreport-going-dark.html

    Reality Check: While mcsoccp.org has expired another page, coldcaseposse.org is still active. I suggest you all check it out.

  35. avatar
    Nancy Owens, The Obama Forger March 19, 2017 at 11:46 am  (Quote) #

    Who ran that one? I’ve been to these websites a few times or so a month. Is that one run by Mike Volin?

    RE: Gerbil Report. That’s too bad. I was always hoping it would take off eventually since it’s tied to Intense Debate and deals with the birther issue.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Looks like it’s just a coming soon site. The domain was registered Jan. 24, 2017 with a proxy registrant name. obamareleaseyourrecords.com also expired.

    On the other hand coldcaseposse.com is an interesting site, but not birther related.

    I’m going to let GerbilReport.com expire.

    http://www.gerbilreport.com/2017/03/gerbilreport-going-dark.html

  36. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 19, 2017 at 6:49 pm  (Quote) #

    obamareleaseyourrecords.com was the original name of BirtherReport

    Gerbil Report could never take off because it lacked content.

    Nancy Owens, The Obama Forger: obamareleaseyourrecords.com

  37. avatar
    Nancy Owens, The Obama Forger March 20, 2017 at 9:35 am  (Quote) #

    So, what kind of content was it meant to showcase?

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    obamareleaseyourrecords.com was the original name of BirtherReport

    Gerbil Report could never take off because it lacked content.

  38. avatar
    J.D. Sue March 20, 2017 at 1:54 pm  (Quote) #

    FYI, I stumbled upon a journalist’s blog that has nice handy-dandy timelines on Russian/Trump/Election stuff:

    https://trump-russia.com/trump-russia-timeline/trump-russia-timeline-2/

  39. avatar
    bob March 20, 2017 at 3:14 pm  (Quote) #

    Rondeau has several breathless reports about the “latest”: Corsi (on Inforwars, his new gig) “reported” that Zullo claims Montgomery claims that his secret (“junk”) data shows that Obama was snooping on Trump. And Zullo and Arpaio are ready to go to Congress with Montgomery’s data.

    Any day now!

  40. avatar
    bob March 20, 2017 at 3:45 pm  (Quote) #

    And, over at Smith’s blog, Bruce explains why now is the time to support Malik touting Smith’s fake birth certificate:

    THE OPPOSITION IS IN RETREAT. Dr. Conspiracy has now retired from managing the ‘Obama Conspiracy Theories’ website and the pathetic, tired and disorganized obots appear to be much less active than they were during Obama’s 8 year reign of terror.

    Thanks, Doc.

  41. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 20, 2017 at 5:04 pm  (Quote) #

    Gerbil Report was a spoof of Birther Report. It had like a dozen articles total. To draw large numbers of visitors, you have to have new stuff almost every day.

    Nancy Owens, The Obama Forger: So, what kind of content was it meant to showcase?

  42. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 20, 2017 at 6:57 pm  (Quote) #

    If we still had new articles, this latest Corsu/Zullo/Montgomery thing would be worthy of one.

    It’s neat how the conspiracy carnival barkers found a way to tie today’s news (claims of wiretaps at Trump Tower) to old discredited “junk” (Dennis Montgomery’s fake data). “Opportunist” is the word that comes to mind.

  43. avatar
    bob March 20, 2017 at 7:19 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy: It’s neat how the conspiracy carnival barkers found a way to tie today’s news (claims of wiretaps at Trump Tower) to old discredited “junk” (Dennis Montgomery’s fake data).

    It is also “neat” how, despite them repeatedly saying “OBAMA TAPPED TRUMP!!!,” Montgomery’s “data” “shows” that Trump was tapped by … George W. Bush.

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    donna March 20, 2017 at 9:13 pm  (Quote) #

    It’s astounding how many times the “birther issue” has been raised in connection with the “Obama had my “wires tapped'” issue. Over the years, when I have discussed the “birther issue” with many in my world, it was often dismissed. Yet here we are again!

    Trump’s ‘Wiretap’ Claims Are A Return To Those Old Birther Instincts

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-wiretap-claims_us_58caf2bee4b0be71dcf2dff0

    FYI, “Fox News pulls Judge Napolitano over his Trump wiretap claims”.

    http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/ap/entertainment/fox-news-pulls-judge-napolitano-over-his-trump-wiretap-claims/article_6f76f9de-995e-5c8c-9c20-a996c79aeebd.html

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    Notorial Dissent March 21, 2017 at 1:35 am  (Quote) #

    Remind me again, HOW OLD was the Montgomery garbage when the Shurf’s tech people determined it was garbage?? And he has proof that Trump was being wiretapped, yeah right!!!!

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    Nancy Owens, The Obama Forger March 21, 2017 at 8:46 am  (Quote) #

    I would agree with that, Katie.

    bob: It is also “neat” how, despite them repeatedly saying “OBAMA TAPPED TRUMP!!!,” Montgomery’s “data” “shows” that Trump was tapped by … George W. Bush.

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    roadburner March 21, 2017 at 5:15 pm  (Quote) #

    talking of websites going dark, it looks like reed hayes website has expired as well

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    Dave B. March 21, 2017 at 5:46 pm  (Quote) #

    Poor guy probably just wants to hide in a dark room after Zullo got ahold of him.

    roadburner:
    talking of websites going dark, it looks like reed hayes website has expired as well

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    Nancy Owens, The Obama Forger March 21, 2017 at 9:12 pm  (Quote) #

    For the record, I think Mike ZulloMoore might have been the one who hacked my files. He’s gotten active again and we all know he doesn’t really investigate anything.

  50. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 21, 2017 at 11:33 pm  (Quote) #

    So I have been exchanging emails with a prominent birther who says, a tidal wave is coming, and some new proof/evidence that Obama’s birth certificate is forged.

    Forecasting has never been a birther strong suit.

  51. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 21, 2017 at 11:51 pm  (Quote) #

    Do you have the reference for this?

    bob: It is also “neat” how, despite them repeatedly saying “OBAMA TAPPED TRUMP!!!,” Montgomery’s “data” “shows” that Trump was tapped by … George W. Bush.

  52. avatar
    Rickey March 22, 2017 at 12:32 am  (Quote) #

    Cody Robert Judy is now available for speaking engagements. His fee is a mere $30,000-$75,000 plus expenses. He doesn’t say what you get for $75,000 that you don’t get for $30,000. Maybe he throws in a few of his steaks.

    I kid you not.

    http://codyjudy.blogspot.com/2017/01/3x-us-presidential-candidate-cody.html

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    gorefan March 22, 2017 at 11:40 am  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Do you have the reference for this?

    Didn’t Montgomery’s work with the government end before Obama was elected?

  54. avatar
    gorefan March 22, 2017 at 11:41 am  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy: a tidal wave is coming

    Sheriff’s kits 2.0?

  55. avatar
    gorefan March 22, 2017 at 11:55 am  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Do you have the reference for this?

    Info Wars published a list of Trump businesses that are supposedly from the database. The latest is February, 2009.

    https://www.infowars.com/nsa-documents-prove-surveillance-on-donald-trump-and-alex-jones/

    Basically the database looks like a phone book.

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    bob March 22, 2017 at 2:13 pm  (Quote) #

    gorefan: Basically the database looks like a phone book.

    Yes; and Corsi, Jones, Rondeau, Gallups, etc., are falling over themselves to praise Zullo’s amazing investigative skills because Zullo can verify that Trump Tower is, in fact, located at 725 5th Ave. 🙄

  57. avatar
    Joey March 22, 2017 at 2:13 pm  (Quote) #

    Nancy Owens, The Obama Forger:
    For the record, I think Mike ZulloMoore might have been the one who hacked my files. He’s gotten active again and we all know he doesn’t really investigate anything.

    If Zullo hacked your files that makes him a successful investigator of Nancy Owens, “the Obama Forger.”
    That would be the first time that Mike Zullo did anything impressive in birtherdom.

  58. avatar
    gorefan March 22, 2017 at 3:32 pm  (Quote) #

    bob: Yes; and Corsi, Jones, Rondeau, Gallups, etc., a

    Actually it looks a lot like one of Susan Daniels’ database affidavits from Orly’s various trials.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater March 22, 2017 at 10:57 pm  (Quote) #

    Rickey:
    Cody Robert Judy is now available for speaking engagements. His fee is a mere $30,000-$75,000 plus expenses. He doesn’t say what you get for $75,000 that you don’t get for $30,000. Maybe he throws in a few of his steaks.

    What’s the definition of Politically rich?

  60. avatar
    bob March 23, 2017 at 12:18 pm  (Quote) #

    Doc, who has retired, is nonetheless the focus of a recent blog post at Taitz’s site.

    Paul Irey wrote to Taitz:

    Statement just made to me from Dr. Conspiracy [ . . .]:“Even if Obama did forge his birth certificate in 2011, the statute of limitations has run out. (You did know that, right?)”

    Orly … this is not true … right?

    Taitz’s response:

    no, it did not, particularly in light of the fact that Obama committed fraud in occupying the position of the president till 2009 based on a stolen CT SSN and fabricated IDs and he is getting retirement money today, as a former president based on fabricated IDs.

    Nice try Mr. Obama. though, but no go!

    Follow up comments from others also state “there is no Statute of Limitations for the act of Treason” and “the Statute of Limitations on misdemeanor fraud, never mind felony fraud, in the District of Columbia has not yet expired.”

  61. avatar
    Reality Check March 23, 2017 at 12:39 pm  (Quote) #

    The fact that Paul Irey would go to Orly Taitz for a legal opinion on anything tells you everything you need to know about Paul Irey.

    bob: Paul Irey wrote to Taitz:

    Statement just made to me from Dr. Conspiracy [ . . .]:“Even if Obama did forge his birth certificate in 2011, the statute of limitations has run out. (You did know that, right?)”

    Orly … this is not true … right?

  62. avatar
    donna March 23, 2017 at 1:05 pm  (Quote) #

    Trump earns Four Pinocchios for the Time Magazine interview

    Trump consistently astounds us with his inability to acknowledge that he repeatedly gets facts wrong and consistently misleads the American public with inaccurate, dubious claims. He earns Four Pinocchios for this interview

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/03/23/president-trumps-cascade-of-false-claims-in-times-interview-on-his-falsehoods/?utm_term=.4d41e7a839b5

  63. avatar
    Northland10 March 23, 2017 at 1:07 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    The fact that Paul Irey would go to Orly Taitz for a legal opinion on anything tells you everything you need to know about Paul Irey.

    Wasn’t he going to leave he country or something?

    I wonder if Irey is the prominent Birther having an email exchange with Doc. If so, the veracity of the “tidal wave” prediction has just dropped, which is actually impressive given most Birther predicitions already trend near .05%.

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    Rickey March 23, 2017 at 1:13 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    The fact that Paul Irey would go to Orly Taitz for a legal opinion on anything tells you everything you need to know about Paul Irey.

    And even if the birth certificate was forged it wouldn’t be a crime because it was never used for an official purpose. That’s why Lucas Smith can’t be charged with a crime for the Kenyan birth certificate which he forged. It would have been a different matter if he had been able to sell it while passing it off as authentic.

    Orly still believes that Obama’s SSN was stolen from the non-existent Harrison Bounel.

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    Pete March 23, 2017 at 1:22 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    The fact that Paul Irey would go to Orly Taitz for a legal opinion on anything tells you everything you need to know about Paul Irey.

    ^ This.

  66. avatar
    Pete March 23, 2017 at 1:45 pm  (Quote) #

    Rickey: And even if the birth certificate was forged it wouldn’t be a crime because…

    That may be true, but I don’t like going there, because 8 years of public discussion and analysis of the matter have shown clearly that – support from lying, grandstanding, sucker-playing Arizona political grifters aside – there simply isn’t the slightest actual credible evidence of any forgery, or Kenyan birth, or any other of the birther claims whatsoever.

    ALL available evidence is completely clear that birtherism is, and always was, a complete and total fantasy/ load of manure/ con job.

    From a factual point of view, birthers might as well have spent the last 8 years arguing that Batboy invented peanut butter.

  67. avatar
    bob March 23, 2017 at 2:17 pm  (Quote) #

    “According to Orly Taitz, I’m right,” convinced… no one ever.

  68. avatar
    gorefan March 23, 2017 at 7:50 pm  (Quote) #

    donna: Trump earns Four Pinocchios for the Time Magazine interview

    They redacted the interview of statements that were not verifiable true.

    http://theslot.jezebel.com/we-redacted-everything-thats-not-a-verifiably-true-stat-1793571837

  69. avatar
    donna March 23, 2017 at 9:37 pm  (Quote) #

    gorefan: They redacted the interview of statements that were not verifiable true

    Politifact: Fact-checking Trump’s TIME interview on truths and falsehoods

    Here are some of Trump’s most egregious claims from the interview with TIME Washington Bureau Chief Michael Scherer on March 22. Many of the statements are things we’ve debunked again and again.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/mar/23/fact-checking-trumps-time-interview-truths-and-fal/

    Trump threatens to leave ObamaCare in place if Dyancare fails. (Quel dommage!)

    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/325568-trump-tells-gop-to-take-it-or-leave-it-on-obamacare-repeal

    Q-POLL: Dyancare approval just 17%. Age 50-64: 62% Disapprove / 16% Approve

    Why should men pay for maternity care if they are 60? For one, Trump is 70 with a 10-year old son.

    Why should men pay for mammograms? I know 2 men who had breast cancer.

    Why should I pay for circumcisions, viagra, penis pumps, vasectomies and prostate cancer? (Prostate cancer is the third leading cause of cancer death in American men, behind lung cancer and colorectal cancer.)

    New CBO score: The legislation would reduce the deficit by $150 billion over 10 years, down from $337 billion in the original legislation, the report said. The plan would still result in 24 million more people being uninsured in 2026

    The CBO’s message is, essentially, that if Trump simply sticks with the status quo, the wave of huge premium hikes and insurer dropouts will end.

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    J.D. Sue March 23, 2017 at 10:09 pm  (Quote) #

    donna: Trump earns Four Pinocchios

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    They need a new scale. The guy is psychotic.

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    Rickey March 24, 2017 at 3:12 am  (Quote) #

    Pete: That may be true, but I don’t like going there, because 8 years of public discussion and analysis of the matter have shown clearly that – support from lying, grandstanding, sucker-playing Arizona political grifters aside – there simply isn’t the slightest actual credible evidence of any forgery, or Kenyan birth, or any other of the birther claims whatsoever.

    ALL available evidence is completely clear that birtherism is, and always was, a complete and total fantasy/ load of manure/ con job.

    From a factual point of view, birthers might as well have spent the last 8 years arguing that Batboy invented peanut butter.

    Your point is well taken, but I brought it up because for years I have been challenging birthers to identify the law which they believe was broken if the birth certificate could be proven to be a forgery.

    The best any of them could do was mutter some nonsense about treason.

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