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The additional open thread: You arrogant ass! You have killed us!

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102 Responses to The additional open thread: You arrogant ass! You have killed us!

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    Rickey June 5, 2017 at 2:22 am #

    @Jack Parsons

    The idea that the Nazis were not right-wingers because they did not support anarchy is simply ludicrous.

    As I pointed out to you before, historically there have been many anarchists who were leftists.

    An argument that is based upon a false premise invariably is incorrect.

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    Lupin June 5, 2017 at 3:43 am #

    There are basically two viewpoints here: “Jack Parsons” and the rest of the world’s.

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    J.D. Sue June 5, 2017 at 7:52 am #

    This is just brilliant!

    Real Fake News – Opera vs. Trump (Rossini Edition)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz7SfkhJe74

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    Reality Check June 5, 2017 at 10:48 am #

    Like!

    J.D. Sue:
    This is just brilliant!

    Real Fake News – Opera vs. Trump (Rossini Edition)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz7SfkhJe74

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    ScottRS June 5, 2017 at 2:15 pm #

    I’ll just leave this here…

    Kushner told coworker Trump knew birtherism was a lie but ‘Republicans are stupid and they’ll buy it’

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/kushner-told-coworker-trump-knew-birtherism-was-a-lie-but-republicans-are-stupid-and-theyll-buy-it/

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG June 5, 2017 at 2:23 pm #

    Popped on over to Volin’s attempt at BR 2.0. Its only him shouting into the void at this point. He also seems completely aghast that digital libraries are a thing.

    I was tempted to post something there, just to rattle his cage a bit, but nah. If I had to place a guess as to why his site is in severe decline, its that birtherism doesn’t attract the crazies like it used to.
    “All the cool kids” are talking up fresher conspiracy theories and saying disparaging things about murder victims. Of course even that is no guarantee of popularity among that base. LDS’s blog is simply Bruce shrieking insane things and larry bland affirming him, anytime someone shows up to troll the geezer.

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    donna June 5, 2017 at 2:50 pm #

    Sue:

    Grazie mille. I sent that to all of mia famiglia italiana. Fantastico!

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 5, 2017 at 6:04 pm #

    Wow, I never knew I spoke Italian.

    J.D. Sue:
    This is just brilliant!

    Real Fake News – Opera vs. Trump (Rossini Edition)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz7SfkhJe74

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    J.D. Sue June 5, 2017 at 9:29 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Wow, I never knew I spoke Italian.

    I never knew I loved opera!

  10. avatar
    Reality Check June 6, 2017 at 9:16 am #

    That Rossini was a hell of a composer.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Wow, I never knew I spoke Italian.

  11. avatar
    Reality Check June 6, 2017 at 9:32 am #

    Gee, that sounds familiar doesn’t it?

    https://vimeo.com/109073922

    ScottRS:
    I’ll just leave this here…

    Kushner told coworker Trump knew birtherism was a lie but ‘Republicans are stupid and they’ll buy it’

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/kushner-told-coworker-trump-knew-birtherism-was-a-lie-but-republicans-are-stupid-and-theyll-buy-it/

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    Rickey June 6, 2017 at 11:59 am #

    J.D. Sue:
    This is just brilliant!

    Real Fake News – Opera vs. Trump (Rossini Edition)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz7SfkhJe74

    And his job approval rating has dropped to 37% in the latest Gallup tracking poll.

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    Lupin June 7, 2017 at 6:49 am #

    As Rod Serling might have said, for your consideration:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsamaha/kids-are-quoting-trump-to-bully-their-classmates?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=News – 0607 Wednesday&utm_content=News – 0607 Wednesday%2BCID_79606543d56ff9d3a9a9cfd93aec513b&utm_source=BuzzFeed Newsletters&utm_term=.bum8B9Og9#.nmRwMQARQ

    Speaking a comic-book writer (for those who checked my resume on wiki), the idea that dialogue that could have been written by my mentors Stan Lee or Roy Thomas and placed in the mouths of the Red Skull, the Hate-Monger or The Sons of the Serpent is being regurgitated by kids raised by parents born in the 1980s is, frankly, beyond me.

    Do the same kids (those mentioned in the buzzfeed articles) watch Arrow, The Flash or Supergirl? Do they live in the Hydra-universe of the framework already?

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    Reality Check June 7, 2017 at 10:14 am #

    At this point I have only two words for anyone who voted for Trump. The first letters in the phonetic alphabet are FOXTROT YANKEE. Unfortunately they include some people for whom I used to have some respect.

    Lupin: As Rod Serling might have said, for your consideration:

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    gorefan June 7, 2017 at 11:01 am #

    For those still interested in the Montgomery saga – this article includes the FBI’s immunity letter and a letter of immunity setting up an in-person interview with the FBI and Monty.

    http://circa.com/politics/accountability/james-comey-sued-by-intelligence-contractor-dennis-montgomery-over-spying-on-americans

    The article is about Klayman’s lawsuit against former FBI Director Comey and just about everybody else.

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    Reality Check June 7, 2017 at 2:10 pm #

    From the article:

    Documents obtained by Circa outside of the lawsuit show that the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington in 2015 approved a grant of limited immunity for Montgomery so he could explain how he managed to walk out of his contract and the buildings he worked in with the classified material.

    Those documents have been available at the Fogbow for over a year. That is also an inaccurate description of why he was granted limited immunity. I am not impressed with Circa.

    gorefan: The article is about Klayman’s lawsuit against former FBI Director Comey and just about everybody else.

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    gorefan June 7, 2017 at 3:00 pm #

    Reality Check: Those documents have been available at the Fogbow for over a year.

    I didn’t realize the letters granting the product immunity and the interview immunity were available.

    Circa is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting which is rumored to be trying to set up a FOX rival network. Some talk of them trying to sign both hannity and O’Reilly but they deny it.

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    Reality Check June 7, 2017 at 4:12 pm #

    Well that explains a lot.

    gorefan: Circa is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting

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    Reality Check June 7, 2017 at 4:22 pm #

    Not the actual immunity letters but the 9/82015 letter from the FBI to Klayman explained the limited immunity was granted when Montgomery turned over the 47 hard drives that he claimed provided evidence of illegal activities. Montgomery claimed there was classified material on the drives and also the source code for his software.

    Klayman has of course been touting the granting of this immunity as evidence that there was something really important on the drives and the FBI never said any such thing. The FBI also never confirmed the drives contained one piece of classified information.

    gorefan: I didn’t realize the letters granting the product immunity and the interview immunity were available.

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    Reality Check June 7, 2017 at 4:50 pm #

    I was correct in the first place. The immunity letter was available through a link at the Fogbow. It is Exhibit 4 in this filing in Montgomery v Risen.
    https://www.scribd.com/document/290075243/Montgomery-v-Risen-178-Montgomery-Opp-to-D-Motion-for-Sanctions

    Reality Check: Not the actual immunity letters

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    gorefan June 7, 2017 at 5:07 pm #

    Reality Check:
    I was correct in the first place. The immunity letter was available through a link at the Fogbow. It is Exhibit 4 in this filing in Montgomery v Risen.

    Ok thanks. Too many exhibits, easy to get confused.

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    gorefan June 7, 2017 at 5:10 pm #

    bob:
    In other news,

    I see it’s going to be Ed Dunderhead hosting the show. To bad it’s not Volins, he might have given an update on their efforts to get President Obama out of office.

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    donna June 7, 2017 at 5:39 pm #

    Gorefan: Circa is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting

    Guess who now works for Sinclair? Trump’s former (RUSSIAN) mouthpiece

    http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/trump-spokesman-boris-epshteyn-sinclair-broadcast-group-1202032200/

    My fave Boris quote: “First of all, Russia did not seize Crimea.”

    “We could talk about the conflict that happened between the Ukraine and Crimea, it’s an ongoing conflict, but there was no seizure by Russia. That is an incorrect statement, characterization of what happened,” he continued.

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    Rickey June 7, 2017 at 9:19 pm #

    Reality Check:

    Klayman has of course been touting the granting of this immunity as evidence that there was something really important on the drives and the FBI never said any such thing. The FBI also never confirmed the drives contained one piece of classified information.

    As I recall, the FBI never examined the hard drives in detail because Montgomery refused to identify (or claimed that he couldn’t identify) the supposedly classified files by name. The FBI wasn’t interested in searching for a needle in a haystack.

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    Rickey June 7, 2017 at 11:45 pm #

    In other conspiracy theories news, a Sandy Hook denier from Florida has been sentenced to prison after threatening to kill the father of one of the murdered children.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sandy-hook-conspiracy-theorist-gets-jail-time-death-threats-against-n769276

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    Reality Check June 8, 2017 at 9:05 am #

    I think you are correct Rickey. I read the letter that the DoJ on behalf of the FBI sent to Klayman on 9/8/2015 after Klayman requested that the FBI look for the source code to the software that Montgomery had been ordered by a magistrate in Montgomery v Risen to produce. The letter notes that the FBI was aware that Klayman had misrepresented to the court what they had and had not agreed to do when Montgomery turned over the hard drives.

    In the letter they also noted that Klayman and Montgomery had conveniently forgotten to mention that information on the hard rives might be involved in a civil case at the time they were turned over. The DoJ attorney said that when Montgomery met with the FBI Klayman had just attended a hearing in Miami on the same trip and failed to mention that relevant piece of information during the 3 hour interview.

    I think the FBI knew that they were being used an excuse by Montgomery and Klayman not to produce the source code for his software (that may or may not have existed). Montgomery never provided the slightest clue as to where any such software was located nor any information other than his claim that there was classified material all over the place. Despite the claim in the Circa article there is no evidence the information on the drives was generated from a time when Montgomery was working on anything classified for the government.

    Rickey: As I recall, the FBI never examined the hard drives in detail because Montgomery refused to identify (or claimed that he couldn’t identify) the supposedly classified files by name. The FBI wasn’t interested in searching for a needle in a haystack.

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    Rickey June 8, 2017 at 11:36 am #

    Reality Check:

    I think the FBI knew that they were being used an excuse by Montgomery and Klayman not to produce the source code for his software (that may or may not have existed). Montgomery never provided the slightest clue as to where any such software was located nor any information other than his claim that there was classified material all over the place. Despite the claim in the Circa article there is no evidence the information on the drives was generated from a time when Montgomery was working on anything classified for the government.

    I agree. Montgomery claimed that James Risen libeled him when he wrote that Montgomery conned the government into buying software that didn’t work. When the court ordered Risen to produce the software so it could be tested, Klayman responded that it couldn’t be produced because it had been turned over to the FBI. Klayman also astonishingly claimed that Montgomery had turned over his software to the FBI without keeping a copy of it for himself.

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    Reality Check June 8, 2017 at 12:11 pm #

    I assume you meant that the court ordered Montgomery to produce the software.

    Klayman and Montgomery were playing the shell game. When the Magistrate ordered them to pony up the software in the Risen case to prove that it existed and worked it put them between a rock and a hard place, especially if it never really existed or was an elaborate hoax as Risen had claimed. So Montgomery after supposedly having this damning information for years picked that very moment to go to the FBI to report these terrible crimes and by the way give his one and only copy of the software to the FBI. He didn’t give the FBI a clue as to where the mysterious software was. They also set it up so the FBI couldn’t give now civilian Montgomery blanket access to the material to search for the software because classified stuff was everywhere on the drives.

    Why it is as if they wanted to concoct a Catch 22 where Montgomery couldn’t turn over the software as ordered without being in contempt. I think we all know what the logical conclusion is.

    Rickey: When the court ordered Risen to produce the software so it could be tested, Klayman responded that it couldn’t be produced because it had been turned over to the FBI. Klayman also astonishingly claimed that Montgomery had turned over his software to the FBI without keeping a copy of it for himself.

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    bob June 8, 2017 at 2:02 pm #

    gorefan: I see it’s going to be Ed Dunderhead hosting the show.To bad it’s not Volins, he might have given an update on their efforts to get President Obama out of office.

    I listened to most of the episode. Ed did repeatedly pat himself (and Volin) on the back for all the valiant efforts. Ed stressed that exposing the usurper was still a high priority (the magic reset button was discussed more than once). No specific actions other than the usual (write letters! make phone calls!), however, were suggested. In other words, it was the usual circle jerk.

    Ex-con Judy noted today is the last day for Obama to respond in the 10th Cir. Following Obama’s non-response, ex-con Judy intends to file … something in the 10th Cir. A filing that will have no effect on the inevitable outcome.

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    gorefan June 8, 2017 at 3:53 pm #

    bob: it was the usual circle jerk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxQ-Ltfs9ds

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    Reality Check June 8, 2017 at 7:36 pm #

    Judy has no case. He is trying to breath life into a dead horse that the courts have already found to be frivolous and dismissed. I am curious if he ever heard back from SCOTUS on his nonsense emergency motion that he sent to the wrong justice. Either Judy has received a reply from the clerk and he won’t reveal that he screwed up or the court is just ignoring him. Nothing has been docketed and likely will not.

    bob: Ex-con Judy noted today is the last day for Obama to respond in the 10th Cir. Following Obama’s non-response, ex-con Judy intends to file … something in the 10th Cir. A filing that will have no effect on the inevitable outcome.

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    Keith June 8, 2017 at 8:35 pm #

    gorefan:
    For those still interested in the Montgomery saga – this article includes the FBI’s immunity letter and a letter of immunity setting up an in-person interview with the FBI and Monty.

    http://circa.com/politics/accountability/james-comey-sued-by-intelligence-contractor-dennis-montgomery-over-spying-on-americans

    The article is about Klayman’s lawsuit against former FBI Director Comey and just about everybody else.

    The troll-ants are stirred up over at Above Top Secret: **BOMBSHELL ALLEGATION** Comey buried 47 hard drives with proof of Obama spying on US citizens.

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    Rickey June 9, 2017 at 9:46 am #

    bob:

    Ex-con Judy noted today is the last day for Obama to respond in the 10th Cir. Following Obama’s non-response, ex-con Judy intends to file … something in the 10th Cir. A filing that will have no effect on the inevitable outcome.

    Judy doesn’t comprehend that his lawsuit is still dismissed and closed. Filing a motion to reopen it doesn’t change that fact. According to the District Court, Judy never filed proper Affidavits of Service in the underlying case, so the defendants have no obligation to do anything. They never made an appearance in the underlying case, never made an appearance in the Court of Appeals, never made an appearance in Judy’s SCOTUS appeal, and they aren’t making an appearance now.

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    Reality Check June 9, 2017 at 10:02 am #

    However, just as surely as the night follows the day Judy will be filing a motion for judgment on default or something like that and Sharon Rondeau will run a breathless article touting it.

    Rickey: Judy never filed proper Affidavits of Service in the underlying case, so the defendants have no obligation to do anything.

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    bob June 9, 2017 at 4:51 pm #

    Reality Check: I am curious if he ever heard back from SCOTUS on his nonsense emergency motion that he sent to the wrong justice. Either Judy has received a reply from the clerk and he won’t reveal that he screwed up or the court is just ignoring him. Nothing has been docketed and likely will not.

    Ex-con Judy discussed it a bit on WOBC’s show, but (as with everything else): nothing, like we’ve heard before. Ex-con Judy claims he has called SCOTUS several times, but the flak catcher there just keeps giving him the runaround. Ex-con Judy provides no letters or other documentary proof, of course.

    Overall, ex-con Judy seems content that the 10th Cir. received his “application.” That it is in “the historical record” seems good enough for ex-con Judy.

    It is as if ex-con Judy is doing all this just for the attention.

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    Notorial Dissent June 10, 2017 at 11:53 am #

    Ya think???? !!!!

    bob:

    It is as if ex-con Judy is doing all this just for the attention.

  37. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG June 11, 2017 at 11:58 am #

    CRJ sure does spend a lot of time trying to fight windmills, for a guy facing eviction.

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    Rickey June 11, 2017 at 2:58 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    CRJ sure does spend a lot of time trying to fight windmills, for a guy facing eviction.

    His landlord served him with a “3-day notice to pay or evict.” CRJ filed a response which he posted on Scribd but he took it down before I could see it, probably because he was told that the rules in Utah don’t allow for a response to a 3-day notice – the tenant’s choices are to pay up, move out, or stay put and wait for the landlord to file an eviction complaint.

    The next step is for the landlord to file a complaint for an eviction order. CRJ can file an answer to the complaint, and he can even get free help from Utah Legal Services, but I expect him to go it alone which will undoubtedly result in him losing because he never learns.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG June 11, 2017 at 3:47 pm #

    Rickey: His landlord served him with a “3-day notice to pay or evict.” CRJ filed a response which he posted on Scribd but he took it down before I could see it, probably because he was told that the rules in Utah don’t allow for a response to a 3-day notice – the tenant’s choices are to pay up, move out, or stay put and wait for the landlord to file an eviction complaint.

    The next step is for the landlord to file a complaint for an eviction order. CRJ can file an answer to the complaint, and he can even get free help from Utah Legal Services, but I expect him to go it alone which will undoubtedly result in him losing because he never learns.

    Well if his local library won’t allow him internet access, Post and Efail is gonna need new contributors, lol.

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    Reality Check June 11, 2017 at 3:56 pm #

    Well there is always that OPOVV guy, as long as Rondeau catches him between trips to the bathroom.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Well if his local library won’t allow him internet access, Post and Efail is gonna need new contributors, lol.

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    J.D. Sue June 11, 2017 at 9:29 pm #

    donna: My fave Boris quote: “First of all, Russia did not seize Crimea.”

    “We could talk about the conflict that happened between the Ukraine and Crimea, it’s an ongoing conflict, but there was no seizure by Russia. That is an incorrect statement, characterization of what happened,” he continued.

    —–

    I can’t remember where, but I recently saw a video/espisode of Epshtein’s new so-called political commentary on a Sinclair “news” show. He gave a long pro-Trump propaganda shpiel, unimpeded by any questions from anyone. Just awful scary stuff. He’s a dangerous man, or he’s striving to become one.

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    Rickey June 11, 2017 at 11:05 pm #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Well if his local library won’t allow him internet access, Post and Efail is gonna need new contributors, lol.

    The house he has been renting was sold, and that seems to have resulted in a dispute among CRJ and his old and new landlords. The exact issue is unclear because CRJ is incapable of clearly stating it. That said, he may have a valid case because landlords who buy new properties have been known to try to break leases so they can evict current tenants and jack up the rent.

    So even though he is an unrepentant birther and felon, my advice – if he is still reading here – is that CRJ had better seek legal help or he is going to find himself out on the street.

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    bob June 12, 2017 at 11:50 am #

    Reality Check:
    Well there is always that OPOVV guy, as long as Rondeau catches him between trips to the bathroom.

    OPOVV is already a contributor to the P&E. Rondeau hides his stuff in the opinions “section,” as it is even less interesting that the P&E’s usual fare.

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    Dave B. June 12, 2017 at 2:54 pm #

    The Case From Hell has been decided.
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/15-1191_2a34.pdf
    8 US Code 1409(c) is no more. Ramon Morales-Santana is not a citizen. He won, sort of, but he lost.

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    donna June 12, 2017 at 5:33 pm #

    J.D. Sue: He’s a dangerous man, or he’s striving to become one.

    I have seen Epshteyn in interviews. He lied and was continuously obnoxious to everyone. He met Eric Trump at at Georgetown.

    My ever growing list of Russian connections about which I have questions:

    trump
    kushner
    carter page
    michael flynn
    manafort
    jeff sessions
    gary cohn
    felix sater
    cyprus (money laundering)
    wilbur ross (cyprus bank)
    richard engel cyprus trip
    rep michael quigley (intel committee) cyprus trip
    boris epshteyn (russian born)
    VEB bank (business meeting)
    gorka
    tillerson
    saychelles
    erik prince (devos’ brother) saychelles trip
    roger stone
    oleg deripaska
    kislyak
    lavrov
    gorkov
    don trump jr russian money quote
    eric trump russian money quote
    deutsche bank
    michael cohen – Ukrainian wife- russia peace plan
    toronto hotel VEB bank
    kasowitz (law firm also represents russians)
    GOP platform (ukraine, jd gordon)
    sberbank

    Byron York: Five notes on Trump’s current predicament

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-five-notes-on-trumps-current-predicament/article/2625594

    Ari Fleischer‏Verified account @AriFleischer

    Advice 4 POTUS: You have not been vindicated. U won’t be unless Bob Mueller says so. Stop talking. You’re heading into a giant perjury trap. 7:45 AM – 11 Jun 2017

    Not to mention Mueller’s dream team and the latest DC, Maryland lawsuit.

  46. avatar
    bob June 13, 2017 at 4:46 pm #

    Sure enough, ex-con Judy (claims to have) filed his Notice of Appellee(s) Failure to Respond and concession of Facts with the 10th Cir. Ex-con Judy wants “merely” a finding that Obama is a not a natural-born citizen and $140M for his troubles.

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    Rickey June 14, 2017 at 12:51 am #

    bob:
    Sure enough, ex-con Judy (claims to have) filed his Notice of Appellee(s) Failure to Respond and concession of Facts with the 10th Cir.Ex-con Judy wants “merely” a finding that Obama is a not a natural-born citizen and $140M for his troubles.

    Unsurprisingly, he doesn’t know the difference between an answer to a complaint and a response to an appeal brief. Not to mention that even if he could be granted a default, he couldn’t be awarded anything unless he could prove his alleged damages.

    The good news is that his latest POS filing is likely to spur the 10th Circuit to expeditiously slap down his appeal.

  48. avatar
    bob June 14, 2017 at 4:28 pm #

    On Facebook, ex-con Judy is whining that people here are ridiculing his ridiculousness.

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    Reality Check June 14, 2017 at 8:06 pm #

    He blocked me when I dared tell him his case was a big load of nothing and going nowhere.

    bob:
    On Facebook, ex-con Judy is whining that people here are ridiculing his ridiculousness.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG June 14, 2017 at 8:58 pm #

    Reality Check:
    He blocked me when I dared tell him his case was a big load of nothing and going nowhere.

    He preemptively blocked me. I feel special.

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    Rickey June 14, 2017 at 11:24 pm #

    bob:
    On Facebook, ex-con Judy is whining that people here are ridiculing his ridiculousness.

    So he still reads this blog, yet he continues to learn nothing.

    His appeal has been a complete waste of his time, because he hasn’t addressed the legal reasons why his lawsuit was dismissed in the first place. He can talk about forgeries and his mythical “two-citizen parent” requirement until he turns blue, but it doesn’t change the fact that he failed to state a claim for which a court can grant relief.

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    gorefan June 16, 2017 at 9:43 am #

    Decision in Paige v. Condos has been published. This was a natural born citizen case involving Cruz, Rubio and Jindal. No surprises, case is moot.

    https://www.vermontjudiciary.org/sites/default/files/documents/op16-202.pdf

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    bob June 16, 2017 at 12:13 pm #

    gorefan: No surprises, case is moot.

    It will come as a surprise to Paige, who was “sure” that the court would not rule that the case was moot.

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    gorefan June 16, 2017 at 1:17 pm #

    bob: It will come as a surprise to Paige, who was “sure” that the court would not rule that the case was moot.

    IIRC, it was Justice Robinson who in oral arguments made some comments along the lines that this issue could come up again. She appears to have given Paige a road map for 2024. Not that it would change the outcome.

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    Notorial Dissent June 16, 2017 at 3:31 pm #

    You’re assimong Paige would listen to anyone other than the voices in his head, or Blovario, or is capable of taking direction, something I’m not willing to do.

    gorefan: IIRC, it was Justice Robinson who in oral arguments made some comments along the lines that this issue could come up again.She appears to have given Paige a road map for 2024. Not that it would change the outcome.

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    gorefan June 16, 2017 at 4:23 pm #

    Notorial Dissent:
    You’re assimong Paige would listen to anyone other than the voices in his head, or Blovario, or is capable of taking direction, something I’m not willing to do.

    All I said was she gave him a road map for next time not that he was smart enough to follow it.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG June 16, 2017 at 5:15 pm #

    At this point, Judy has become Wimp Lo from Kung Pow.
    “I am bleeding, making me the victor!”

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    Rickey June 16, 2017 at 6:33 pm #

    gorefan:
    Decision in Paige v. Condos has been published.This was a natural born citizen case involving Cruz, Rubio and Jindal.No surprises, case is moot.
    202.pdf

    Another defeat for Mario. Sad!

  59. avatar
    Reality Check June 16, 2017 at 7:53 pm #

    But remember Mario enjoys the beating so it is a win!

    One of the judges disagreed with the majority finding that the case fails on the mootness doctrine because it is speculative that the same situation is likely to come up again. Paige I am sure will claim that as a victory even though even that judge agreed the appeal should be tossed because the election is over and the court has no remedy.

    Rickey: Another defeat for Mario. Sad!

  60. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 16, 2017 at 8:11 pm #

    Trump Judicial Nominee Forced To Defend Blog Post Citing Birther Website

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/trump-judicial-nominee-forced-to-defend-blog-post-citing-birther-website/

    The site was WND.

  61. avatar
    bob June 16, 2017 at 8:14 pm #

    Reality Check:
    One of the judges disagreed with the majority finding that the case fails on the mootness doctrine because it is speculative that the same situation is likely to come up again.

    The “dissenting” justice (with whom another justice agreed, so two justices) said the issue could come up again. But went on to say the issue wasn’t evading review — rather, Paige’s poor litigation choices sabotaged his case.

  62. avatar
    Dave B. June 16, 2017 at 8:28 pm #

    All he needs to do now is beat up a journalist and he’s got a lock on confirmation.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Trump Judicial Nominee Forced To Defend Blog Post Citing Birther Website

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/trump-judicial-nominee-forced-to-defend-blog-post-citing-birther-website/

    The site was WND.

  63. avatar
    Northland10 June 17, 2017 at 1:55 pm #

    Reality Check: But remember Mario enjoys the beating so it is a win!

    One of the judges disagreed with the majority finding that the case fails on the mootness doctrine because it is speculative that the same situation is likely to come up again.

    Folks like Apuzzo believe standing and jurisdiction are just made up things to avoid having to rule on something. I, of course, think otherwise but Putz would just insult me because I am not a lawyer so I don’t know anything. I guess standing and jurisdiction probably don’t come up very often when defending a client for DUI.

  64. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 17, 2017 at 8:32 pm #

    Montgomery Blair Sibley’s book “Why Just Her” is now available as a free download:

    https://storage.googleapis.com/tiarabook/why-just-her.pdf

  65. avatar
    Keith June 17, 2017 at 11:41 pm #

    Back in the day when the site was dealing with ‘concerned citizens’ asking questions about the font or the layers or the POSFKBC (not sure I spelled that correctly) or what constitutes NBC or whether Sun Yat Sen proves that all Hawaiian BC’s are fake or whatever, and they seem to flash across firmament for a few days or a week and then disappear to be replaced by yet another concerned citizen asking the same questions, and another, and another, I put forth the proposition that this was an organized gang playing tag team and that they must have some sort of point scoring rules. (yes there is a period there, finally)

    Or maybe they were Filipino college students getting paid a few cents per post or whatever, my point was they were organized trolls and were getting some vicarious reward for making asses of themselves, not just mentally ill loner slobs living in their grandma’s garage underneath the rumpus room.

    Most folks here were relatively unwilling to accept that trolls were organized in this way.

    Well I now have documented evidence, not for OCT trolls in particular, but trolls in general being organized, international, and look at themselves as some sort of mafia or yakuza gang.

    Staring down internet trolls: My disturbing cat and mouse game

    I have edited the above link to go to the ‘print’ version of the story, which in turn contains a link to the video interview.

    Safe to say, these guys (and they are apparently almost all white males) are more dangerous than just insulting people over the net.

  66. avatar
    bob June 18, 2017 at 2:47 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    No jury trial for Sheriff Joe

    Arpaio is presently seeking relief in SCOTUS; he has a petition on this week’s conference. So he’ll have an answer in time for next week’s trial (unless, of course, he pulls yet another delaying stunt).

  67. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 18, 2017 at 10:31 am #

    donna: My ever growing list of Russian connections about which I have questions:


    you may want to add Rick Gates
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/us/politics/rick-gates-russia.html?_r=0

  68. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 19, 2017 at 2:48 pm #

    “In what is the largest known data exposure of its kind, UpGuard’s Cyber Risk Team can now confirm that a misconfigured database containing the sensitive personal details of over 198 million American voters was left exposed to the internet by a firm working on behalf of the Republican National Committee (RNC) in their efforts to elect Donald Trump. The data, which was stored in a publicly accessible cloud server owned by Republican data firm Deep Root Analytics, included 1.1 terabytes of entirely unsecured personal information compiled by DRA and at least two other Republican contractors, TargetPoint Consulting, Inc. and Data Trust. In total, the personal information of potentially near all of America’s 200 million registered voters was exposed, including names, dates of birth, home addresses, phone numbers, and voter registration details, as well as data described as “modeled” voter ethnicities and religions.”

    https://www.upguard.com/breaches/the-rnc-files

  69. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 19, 2017 at 3:23 pm #

    Arpaio supports formal vetting of presidential candidate eligibility:

    http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/06/joe_arpaio_headlines_2nd_amend.html

  70. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2017 at 6:48 am #

    Hannity compares Russia investigation to birtherism:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/338548-hannity-compares-russia-investigation-to-birtherism

  71. avatar
    bob June 21, 2017 at 5:47 pm #

    DC bar recommends suspending Larry Klayman’s license for 90 days.

  72. avatar
    Rickey June 21, 2017 at 7:50 pm #

    bob:
    DC bar recommends suspending Larry Klayman’s license for 90 days.

    It’s a sad state of affairs when someone who has been a lawyer for as long as Klayman has to be ordered to take a continuing education class on recognizing conflicts of interest. He has an extensive history of being ethically challenged.

  73. avatar
    Notorial Dissent June 21, 2017 at 10:05 pm #

    No, it is a sad state of affairs when a disciplinary committee thinks this would accomplish anything in consideration of Klayman’s long past record of just such offenses and general contempt and lack of respect for the legal establishment, particularly as exhibited in the DC Circuit. That is what I find as a sad state of affairs.

    Rickey: It’s a sad state of affairs when someone who has been a lawyer for as long as Klayman has to be ordered to take a continuing education class on recognizing conflicts of interest. He has an extensive history of being ethically challenged.

  74. avatar
    bob June 21, 2017 at 11:46 pm #

    Notorial Dissent: No, it is a sad state of affairs when a disciplinary committee thinks this would accomplish anything in consideration of Klayman’s long past record of just such offenses and general contempt and lack of respect for the legal establishment, particularly as exhibited in the DC Circuit. That is what I find as a sad state of affairs.

    The board is recommending that Klayman not get his license back until he proves his fitness to practice law. So it may be a forever suspension.

    But Klayman is also licensed in Florida. So the DC bar’s actions may put a damper on Klayman’s ability to practice in the federal courts, but this likely isn’t a wooden stake.

  75. avatar
    Rickey June 22, 2017 at 2:03 am #

    Notorial Dissent:
    No, it isa sad state of affairs when a disciplinary committee thinks this would accomplish anything in consideration of Klayman’s long past record of just such offenses and general contempt and lack of respect for the legal establishment, particularly as exhibited in the DC Circuit.That is what I find as a sad state of affairs.

    That, too.

  76. avatar
    Reality Check June 22, 2017 at 9:39 am #

    But, but I thought that Klayman told the federal district court in Nevada that the DC matter had been resolved in his favor?

  77. avatar
    Rickey June 22, 2017 at 3:03 pm #

    Reality Check:
    But, but I thought that Klayman told the federal district court in Nevada that the DC matter had been resolved in his favor?

    Klayman lied? Say it ain’t so!

  78. avatar
    Reality Check June 22, 2017 at 3:32 pm #

    I know. I am shocked. 😆

    Rickey: Klayman lied? Say it ain’t so!

  79. avatar
    bob June 22, 2017 at 3:58 pm #

    Reality Check:
    But, but I thought that Klayman told the federal district court in Nevada that the DC matter had been resolved in his favor?

    He did. And he got called out for that by the courts.

    I’m curious if Klayman will even bother going to SCOTUS now.

  80. avatar
    Northland10 June 23, 2017 at 9:04 am #

    bob: The board is recommending that Klayman not get his license back until he proves his fitness to practice law.So it may be a forever suspension.

    But Klayman is also licensed in Florida.So the DC bar’s actions may put a damper on Klayman’s ability to practice in the federal courts, but this likely isn’t a wooden stake.

    From what I can tell of the Florida rules, if the final ruling is a suspension, or worse, he has to notify Florida in 30 days and then they will decide if discipline is appropriate there. They do make it clear, if I read it correctly, that they consider behavior in courts of other jurisdictions to be under their jurisdiction.

    I think DC might suspend immediately but allow for the attorney to argue that their foreign discipline is inappropriate.

    Here is the link to the Florida rules, 3-7.2. See (L).

    https://www.floridabar.org/rules/rrtfb/rule/?num=3-7.2

    See 3-4.6 for asserted discipline authority.

    Disclaimer,. IANAL so feel free to correct me.

  81. avatar
    Northland10 June 23, 2017 at 9:10 am #

    bob: He did.And he got called out for that by the courts.

    I’m curious if Klayman will even bother going to SCOTUS now.

    He took Bundy 1 to SCOTUS, even with all the comments about being less than truthful to the court, so who knows what he will try now.

  82. avatar
    donna June 23, 2017 at 11:34 am #

    J.D. Sue: you may want to add Rick Gates

    Thanks Sue. I also added Konstantin Kiliminik.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/20/rachel-maddow-reveals-subpoena-suggests-consolidation-russia-investigation.html

    Re: the “tapes”, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Trump’s longtime, private security bodyguard, Keith Schiller, records Trump’s conversations.

    An interesting article: The ultimate lawsuit: Trump will eventually fire special counsel Robert Mueller — and a lawyer games out what will happen next

    It concludes “When Mueller files suit to keep his job, it will become the most important litigation in American history. Every patriot should pray that he wins.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/the-ultimate-lawsuit-trump-will-eventually-fire-special-counsel-robert-mueller-and-a-lawyer-games-out-what-will-happen-next/

    Now Trump is criticizing White House counsel Don McGahn.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/23/trump-don-mcgahn-white-house-counsel-russia-239876

    Trump wants to and thinks he can run the world with those who took loyalty oaths, signed “gag orders” and his family.

    BTW, I am so impressed with Jill Wine-Banks whom I believe hails from your neck of the woods.

  83. avatar
    J.D. Sue June 26, 2017 at 1:25 pm #

    Looking for coverage re Arpaio trial, I just realized that Stephen Lemons left the Phoenix New Times in April. He wrote a nice parting article.

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/phoenix-new-times-columnist-stephen-lemons-says-ta-ta-for-now-9260329

  84. avatar
    bob June 26, 2017 at 2:32 pm #

    SCOTUS denied Arpio’s motion for expedite consideration of his mandamus petition.

    The most immediate effect is that Arpaio’s trial will start today. It is also a strong indicator that SCOTUS will deny Arpaio’s petition at the long conference in the fall.

  85. avatar

    Another article on Arpaio.

    https://www.infowars.com/why-trump-white-house-and-sessions-doj-must-help-sheriff-arpaio/

    J.D. Sue:
    Looking for coverage re Arpaio trial, I just realized that Stephen Lemons left the Phoenix New Times in April.He wrote a nice parting article.

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/phoenix-new-times-columnist-stephen-lemons-says-ta-ta-for-now-9260329

  86. avatar
    donna June 26, 2017 at 5:29 pm #

    Attorney forced to testify against Joe Arpaio – Attorney Tim Casey was forced to testify Monday at Arpaio’s trial on a criminal contempt-of-court charge for prolonging the patrols after a judge ordered them stopped.

    In opening arguments Monday, prosecutor Victor Salgado cited news releases and TV interviews by Arpaio bragging about his immigration enforcement. The prosecutor says Arpaio’s own words prove the government’s case that he willfully defied a judge’s orders.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-supreme-court-rejects-arpaio-bid-for-jury-trial/2017/06/26/242fd650-5a83-11e7-aa69-3964a7d55207_story.html?utm_term=.10cc96e54034

  87. avatar
    Reality Check June 26, 2017 at 11:34 pm #

    And damning testimony it was.

    donna: Attorney forced to testify against Joe Arpaio – Attorney Tim Casey was forced to testify Monday at Arpaio’s trial on a criminal contempt-of-court charge for prolonging the patrols after a judge ordered them stopped.

  88. avatar
    Keith June 27, 2017 at 4:46 am #

    Reality Check:
    And damning testimony it was.

    Gee, I wish I could read about it. Donna’s link goes to a WaPo article locked up behind a paywall. Anybody else got a link to a story that I can read?

  89. avatar
    Reality Check June 27, 2017 at 8:20 am #

    Here is a link to a fairly detailed report by Brian Reilly who attended the first day of the trial. Tes, posted it at the Fogbow.

    http://thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=892869#p892869

    She also posted links to a couple of local articles:

    http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/06/26/sheriff-joe-arpaio-criminal-contempt-trial-opens-phoenix/429059001/
    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/sheriff-joe-arpaio-criminal-defense-trial-begins-in-phoenix-9448221

  90. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG June 27, 2017 at 5:57 pm #

    Wow, 2017’s Joe Arpaio is looking like a physical incarnation of the very scamspiracy he was pimping for years: Withered, defeated and not long for this world. He can’t call himself America’s toughest anything at this point.

  91. avatar
    Rickey June 27, 2017 at 8:04 pm #

    In other news, the Supreme Court is in recess until October and has not docketed the waste of paper that Cody Robert Judy submitted to Justice Gorsuch.

    Judy has not said a word about it in weeks, which leads me to believe that he was told why SCOTUS would not docket it.

  92. avatar
    Notorial Dissent June 27, 2017 at 9:20 pm #

    I would say that was a sucker bet. I think he’s known all along why it didn’t get filed, just couldn’t admit it, and probably won’t, it is always someone else’s fault. I keep wondering when the Appeals Court will finally officially kick his latest round of waste paper.

    Rickey:
    In other news, the Supreme Court is in recess until October and has not docketed the waste of paper that Cody Robert Judy submitted to Justice Gorsuch.

    Judy has not said a word about it in weeks, which leads me to believe that he was told why SCOTUS would not docket it.

  93. avatar
    bob June 28, 2017 at 3:13 pm #

    Reilly’s report from the second day.

    Reilly says he isn’t going back, as he anticipates it’ll just be more of the same, i.e., Arpaio’s current lawyers trying to throw Arpaio’s previous lawyers under the bus.

  94. avatar
    Keith June 28, 2017 at 3:44 pm #

    Reality Check: Here is a link to a fairly detailed report by Brian Reilly who attended the first day of the trial. Tes, posted it at the Fogbow.

    Thanks.

  95. avatar
    Dave B. June 28, 2017 at 8:30 pm #

    Got a job for Zullo–

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/28/politics/trump-time-magazine/index.html

  96. avatar
    Rickey June 28, 2017 at 9:04 pm #

    Notorial Dissent:
    I would say that was a sucker bet. I think he’s known all along why it didn’t get filed, just couldn’t admit it, and probably won’t, it is always someone else’s fault. I keep wondering when the Appeals Court will finally officially kick his latest round of waste paper.

    We know he still reads this blog, and we told him from the beginning that (a) the Supreme Court couldn’t grant him what he was asking, (b) he sent his petition to the wrong justice, and (c) his case is and forever will be CLOSED.

    He usually updates his blog ever week, but he hasn’t posted anything new in 15 days, so perhaps he sees the handwriting on the wall. Or not. He also hasn’t mentioned anything about the status of his eviction proceeding.

  97. avatar
    Rickey June 29, 2017 at 10:47 am #

    I just spotted Frank Arduini on Facebook trying to explain to ignoramuses that being an undocumented alien is not, in and of itself, a crime.

    Did any birther ever agree to debate Frank on RC’s show?

  98. avatar
    bob June 29, 2017 at 4:59 pm #

    Rickey: He also hasn’t mentioned anything about the status of his eviction proceeding.

    Ex-con Judy just posted to his blog in his usual too-long, rambling, inherent screed “style” about his eviction proceedings. It sounds like ex-con Judy staved off his eviction, but ex-con Judy can’t write plainly and clearly if his life depended on it.

  99. avatar
    Notorial Dissent June 29, 2017 at 6:18 pm #

    All of his so called legal efforts depended on it, and at which he has utterly and completely failed, so I’d say no he can’t. Disorganized incoherent blathering is usually the result of an incoherent and disorganized mind, and I see NO reason to assume otherwise.

    bob: Ex-con Judy just posted to his blog in his usual too-long, rambling, inherent screed “style” about his eviction proceedings.It sounds like ex-con Judy staved off his eviction, but ex-con Judy can’t write plainly and clearly if his life depended on it.

  100. avatar
    Reality Check June 29, 2017 at 7:26 pm #

    No, Scott Erlandson did but chickened out.

    Rickey: Did any birther ever agree to debate Frank on RC’s show?