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The additional open thread: Is it safe to come out of my bunker yet?

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138 Responses to The additional open thread: Is it safe to come out of my bunker yet?

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    Pete July 30, 2017 at 1:39 pm  (Quote) #

    No.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG. July 30, 2017 at 2:49 pm  (Quote) #

    Fitz is getting an awful lot of attention at P&E, as of late. I bet Judy is starting to get jealous. I liken it to watching a survival reality show, where you hope a tree falls on all of the contestants.

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    Pete July 30, 2017 at 9:53 pm  (Quote) #

    I mean, in terms of the birthers it’s obviously safe to come out of the bunker. They’re mostly skeletons bleached by the desert sun by now, except for a very few who are still crawling on the sands, wheezing and gasping for water while the buzzards circle above and occasionally swoop down to peck at a sunburned leg.

    In terms of the general situation of the country, well, you might pop out of the bunker to stock up on long-term supplies.

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    Reality Check July 31, 2017 at 1:02 pm  (Quote) #

    I thought the same thing. Judy can’t make much news now. He paid, cough pissed away, cough his and others money to get a review of his appeal. That will take weeks or months.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG.: I bet Judy is starting to get jealous.

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    Arthur July 31, 2017 at 3:47 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check: Guilty

    If only it were 2013 again. I would love to have experienced this when Birther Report and its colorful flock of whacko birds were in full plummage. Oh, what a molting this would have caused, especially with their chief bird-brain, Falcon.

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    donna July 31, 2017 at 3:50 pm  (Quote) #

    There is a Goddess …. pink panties arpaio is guilty of contempt and vulgar Scaramucci resigns.

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    Curious George July 31, 2017 at 3:51 pm  (Quote) #

    Poor old Joe. His legacy is a criminal conviction. Can’t wait to send for the autographed mug shot.

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    Curious George July 31, 2017 at 4:02 pm  (Quote) #
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    Andrew Vrba, PmG. July 31, 2017 at 4:04 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George:
    Hey Mikey, your boss is toast.Is Plan C next?

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/31/ex-sheriff-joe-arpaio-found-guilty-criminal-contempt.html

    HA! Oh! The reaction from the birther remnants is gonna be so good it’ll be fattening!

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    J.D. Sue July 31, 2017 at 5:26 pm  (Quote) #

    Mazel tov!

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    Rickey July 31, 2017 at 5:34 pm  (Quote) #

    donna:
    There is a Goddess …. pink panties arpaio is guilty of contempt and vulgar Scaramucci resigns.

    I’m getting too old for this! Scaramucci resigns before he had a chance to steal a refrigerator from his underlings! I’m guessing that his departure has something to do with the investment firm he is trying to sell to the Chinese.

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    Notorial Dissent July 31, 2017 at 5:50 pm  (Quote) #

    I think he’s up to at least Plan H or maybe Plan S by now, however since they all seem to be about the same, lie, obfuscate, don’t produce anything, beg for money, it doesn’t change much.

    Curious George:
    Hey Mikey, your boss is toast.Is Plan C next?

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/31/ex-sheriff-joe-arpaio-found-guilty-criminal-contempt.html

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 31, 2017 at 5:59 pm  (Quote) #

    I saw some freepers hoping Trump will pardon him, but a pardon doesn’t remove the conviction, right? I think Joe fears that black mark on his record more than anything.

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    justlw July 31, 2017 at 6:08 pm  (Quote) #

    So… I guess maybe he won’t get the DHS gig, then?

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    Rickey July 31, 2017 at 6:28 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    I thought the same thing. Judy can’t make much news now. He paid, cough pissed away, cough his and others money to get a review of his appeal. That will take weeks or months.

    When he loses in the Tenth Circuit he might file a cert petition with SCOTUS, but if so they will deny him IFP status and he’ll never be able to pay the filing fee.

    This should be the end of his birther litigation. At this point any conceivable claims would be barred by the statute of limitations – not that they would have any merit.

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    Rickey July 31, 2017 at 6:35 pm  (Quote) #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    I saw some freepers hoping Trump will pardon him, but a pardon doesn’t remove the conviction, right? I think Joe fears that black mark on his record more than anything.

    Not only does the conviction remain in place, the acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt.

    Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915)

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 31, 2017 at 8:31 pm  (Quote) #

    You know, I think a more fitting, and humiliating, punishment for Joe, would be having to do community service, in the form of a PSA on racial sensitivity. I mean six months in jail would take the defiance out of too, but having to swallow his pride, on TV? I’d pay to see that.

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    Reality Check July 31, 2017 at 11:57 pm  (Quote) #

    I think there might be an eligibility case from 2016 rattling around somewhere. Not technically a Birther case. Judy’s case has been dead for a long time. He just hasn’t figured it out. Judy is trying to revive his case under Rule 60 (or the FRAP equivalent rule) and has no chance.

    Rickey: This should be the end of his birther litigation. At this point any conceivable claims would be barred by the statute of limitations – not that they would have any merit.

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    Keith August 1, 2017 at 3:06 am  (Quote) #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    You know, I think a more fitting, and humiliating, punishment for Joe, would be having to do community service, in the form of a PSA on racial sensitivity. I mean six months in jail would take the defiance out of too, but having to swallow his pride, on TV? I’d pay to see that.

    Be careful of what you ask for. Here’s some guy called Johnny Depp who is supposed to be some halfway decent actor or something, ‘atoning’ for an attempted act of bio-terrorism (he illegally smuggled his pet dog into Australia. Australian’s are extremely sensitive about bio-hazards and there is, for example, no rabies in the land of Oz).

    Johnny Depp and Amber Heard: Australian biosecurity

    Remember: Always respect the law! No, no. Really! I really, really, mean it!

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    Nancy Ruth Owens, Obama's Forger August 1, 2017 at 9:26 am  (Quote) #

    And, what case would that be?

    P.S. I’m still the forger

    Reality Check:
    I think there might be an eligibility case from 2016 rattling around somewhere. Not technically a Birther case. Judy’s case has been dead for a long time. He just hasn’t figured it out. Judy is trying to revive his case under Rule 60 (or the FRAP equivalent rule) and has no chance.

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    bob August 1, 2017 at 1:17 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check: I think there might be an eligibility case from 2016 rattling around somewhere.

    Laity’s 2016 crusade in New York is still pending.

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    Pete August 1, 2017 at 3:09 pm  (Quote) #

    So is that the last one, aside from Judy’s hopeless nonsense?

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    bob August 1, 2017 at 3:16 pm  (Quote) #

    Pete:
    So is that the last one, aside from Judy’s hopeless nonsense?

    I think so; there were a few more that I was tracking, but I couldn’t find affirmative proof they were over. They’ve been so silent, so I assume they were dismissed long ago.

    Paige, of course, was threatening to seek reconsideration of his dismissal in the Vermont Supreme Court, but I don’t know if he actually did. I assume he would have gloated if he did.

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    bob August 1, 2017 at 4:19 pm  (Quote) #

    Over at Taitz’s site, Brian Reilly left this comment:

    Arpaio’s downfall was a series of Arpaio video clips introduced as Exhibit 37 by the US during closing arguments. Once I viewed them, it became clear that there was a guilty verdict in Arpaio’s future.

    Arpaio’s belated objections to those clips delayed submission of the case until July 21.

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    Arthur B. August 1, 2017 at 5:26 pm  (Quote) #

    One of my fondest hopes is that Gen. Kelly will persuade President Trump to trust him on fact-checking matters.

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    Rickey August 1, 2017 at 7:59 pm  (Quote) #

    bob: Laity’s 2016 crusade in New York is still pending.

    Laity is the east coast’s version of CRJ, except that Laity doesn’t have a criminal record (as far as I know).

    Among Laity’s fails are a lawsuit against his union for suspending him from his position as a Shop Steward while he was employed by the Veterans Administration; a failed lawsuit against the Veterans Administration for its denial of his claim that he had service-connected PTSD and mitral valve prolapse syndrome from his service in the Navy in the 1970s; and a criminal complaint against President Obama which he filed with the D.C. Police (they responded that they have no purview over the presidency). He has filed two cert petitions with SCOTUS and both were denied.

    I had forgotten that he also filed a ballot challenge in New Hampshire in 2015 and then failed to show up for the hearing.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 1, 2017 at 10:01 pm  (Quote) #

    To any of y’all, with legal knowledge: What are Joe’s chances of winning an appeal?

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    bob August 1, 2017 at 10:40 pm  (Quote) #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    What are Joe’s chances of winning an appeal?

    In one sense, very low: The district court did a good job in explaining the facts that supported the conclusions that (1) the order was sufficiently clear; (2) Arpaio was aware of the order and its contents; (3) Arpaio disobeyed the order; and (4) Arpaio’s disobedience was intentional. (The judge’s evidentiary rulings, to the extent they harmed Arpaio, were correct.)

    Arpaio’s legal arguments won’t fare much better: there is no federal constitutional right to a jury trial when the maximum punishment is six months or fewer; and Arpaio was charged under the correct statute (which has no statute of limitations).

    Arpaio’s best chance, frankly, is to die before his appeals are exhausted because then the charges are abated, and it will be as if he was never convicted. And it will take a few years for him to litigate this all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

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    gorefan August 1, 2017 at 11:46 pm  (Quote) #

    bob: “And it will take a few years for him to litigate this all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.”

    Appeals won’t stop the sentencing or the carrying out of a sentence will they?

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    Rickey August 2, 2017 at 12:00 am  (Quote) #

    The Court of Appeals has already shot down his demand for a jury trial, so I don’t see him having any luck on appeal. Regarding the timing of his appeal, he may be given a preference due to his age, and criminal cases automatically take precedence over civil cases. If it ever gets to the Supreme Court it will be shot down quickly. I can’t imagine SCOTUS having any interest in a misdemeanor criminal contempt case, particularly one where the evidence against the defendant is overwhelming.

    My guess is that he’ll be fined and given a suspended sentence, or possibly confinement to his home. I doubt that he will have to worry about dropping his soap in the shower.

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    bob August 2, 2017 at 12:13 am  (Quote) #

    I agree that the sentence won’t be stayed pending appeal, and the sentence itself will be relatively benign; a few months of home confinement at the most.

    Whether Arpaio will outlive the appellate process is, as they say, above my pay grade.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 2, 2017 at 4:56 am  (Quote) #

    Thanks for the input! So either way, justice is served, and he can’t weasel his way out.

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    Reality Check August 2, 2017 at 7:28 am  (Quote) #

    Trump called the White House a dump. This was revealed on the same day that we found out he obstructed justice by concocting a lie for Trump Jr. to tell about the meeting with the Russians, that the White House conspired with Fox News to spread lies about the murder of Seth Rich, and practically the entire staff at Fox News dined with Trump at the White House. .

    Birthers, you know what you can go do to yourself.

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    Crustacean August 2, 2017 at 12:42 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check: Birthers, you know what you can go do to yourself.

    If they don’t know, they can call ‘The Mooch’ for instructions.

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    Rickey August 2, 2017 at 1:12 pm  (Quote) #

    bob:

    Whether Arpaio will outlive the appellate process is, as they say, above my pay grade.

    For what it’s worth, the actuarial tables say that his life expectancy is 6.1 years.

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    bob August 2, 2017 at 3:55 pm  (Quote) #

    Rickey: For what it’s worth, the actuarial tables say that his life expectancy is 6.1 years.

    Really? He just turned 85. Yet, that appears correct.

    But, yes, it won’t take six years to complete his appeal, even with the expected feet dragging and overlitigation.

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    Northland10 August 2, 2017 at 8:35 pm  (Quote) #

    bob: Laity’s 2016 crusade in New York is still pending.

    Argued at the Appellate Division, 3rd Department, on 1 June 2017. No decision posted yet.

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    Rickey August 2, 2017 at 9:42 pm  (Quote) #

    bob: Really?He just turned 85.Yet, that appears correct.

    One of the counter-intuitive things about actuarial tables is that the longer you live, the longer your life expectancy becomes. It’s sort of a built-in hedge against the possibility of too many people living beyond their life expectancy. Social Security and life insurance companies would be in big trouble if that happened.

    You actually have to get up to age 113 before the tables will say that your life expectancy is one year or less. Of course the tables can’t take into consideration such factors as an individual’s health or family history.

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    Reality Check August 2, 2017 at 11:46 pm  (Quote) #

    I don’t think it is counter-intuitive, The life expectancy at birth factors in infant mortality and childhood diseases. Once you survive those you have a better chance of living to an older age. If you make 85 it indicates you are probably have a better chance of surviving based on lifestyle and genetics.

    The life expectancy at a given age is based on the survival rate of people who made it to that age.

    It’s like a car that makes 150,000 miles. You know it isn’t a lemon and you trust it because it made it that far.

    Rickey: One of the counter-intuitive things about actuarial tables is that the longer you live, the longer your life expectancy becomes.

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    Keith August 3, 2017 at 1:49 am  (Quote) #

    Reality Check: Trump called the White House a dump.

    That’s fake news.

    He wasn’t calling the ‘building’ a dump, he was calling the ‘metaphorical entity’ a dump (you know, like ‘the White House reported today’ kinda thing).

    And it was one of those typographical error thing-a-me-bobs. He meant to say ‘dumb‘ not dump.

    Now, is there some kind of innertubes cite where I can apply for White House Propaganda Minister Communications Director?

    I can swear like a trooper on request too.

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    Reality Check August 3, 2017 at 8:26 am  (Quote) #

    You would fail the IQ requirement. Yours is way too high.

    Keith: Now, is there some kind of innertubes cite where I can apply for White House Propaganda Minister Communications Director?

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    Curious George August 3, 2017 at 11:13 am  (Quote) #

    bob: ” Really? He just turned 85.”

    Yes, Arpaio turned 85 this year on Flag Day. Both Arpaio and Trump share the same birthday.

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    Curious George August 3, 2017 at 11:36 am  (Quote) #

    Reality Check

    “Trump called the White House a dump.”

    Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. Maybe it’s a dump (in disrepair), maybe it isn’t. I’ve never been there to know for sure. But, with everything else that is happening in the world, this news story is approaching the same level of stories found on the old Birther Report, the current Post & Email and WND. We should expect better.

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    Curious George August 3, 2017 at 11:41 am  (Quote) #

    Apparently President Truman thought The White House was in bad shape too.

    http://www.trumanlibraryinstitute.org/saving-white-house-trumans-extreme-makeover/

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    Reality Check August 3, 2017 at 12:32 pm  (Quote) #

    I think it is important in context. He did say it by the way. The author said at least eight people confirmed this. It was at his Bedminster, NJ golf course. The White House called and tried to get him to retract the claim. Trump also disparaged Camp David. He has no respect for the history, law, and institutions of our democracy.

    The White House was in a sad state when Truman had it remodeled. Some floors were in danger of collapsing because the original timbers were rotting. We never heard President Obama speak other than reverently about the White House and what it represents.

    https://soundcloud.com/golf_podcast

    Curious George: Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. Maybe it’s a dump (in disrepair), maybe it isn’t. I’ve never been there to know for sure. But, with everything else that is happening in the world, this news story is approaching the same level of stories found on the old Birther Report, the current Post & Email and WND. We should expect better.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG. August 3, 2017 at 12:44 pm  (Quote) #

    Huh, looks like P&E and others are just gonna take the “Joe Arpaio? Never heard of him!” approach.

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    bob August 3, 2017 at 2:38 pm  (Quote) #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG.:
    Huh, looks like P&E and others are just gonna take the “Joe Arpaio? Never heard of him!” approach.

    Gallups on Facebook did link to an article about Arpaio’s conviction.

    But Rondeau obviously can’t write an article because Zullo hasn’t fractally misexplained the law to her yet. Although it is Zullo’s turn to be laughably wrong; ex-cons Judy and Fitzpatrick have run out of gas.

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    Curious George August 3, 2017 at 4:48 pm  (Quote) #

    From an AP report, one hour ago regarding repairs needed at The White House:

    “Besides the replacement of the West Wing’s heating and cooling system, repairs also are to be made to the steps on the South Portico, the side of the White House facing the National Mall. Cosmetic upgrades to the West Wing, including interior painting, replacing carpeting and curtains and fixing water leaks in the press office ceiling, are also on the maintenance list. Repairmen and others are expected to work around the clock to complete the upgrades by Aug. 21.”

    It looks like The White House is in sad shape.

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    Reality Check August 3, 2017 at 10:56 pm  (Quote) #

    I wouldn’t conclude that from what you quoted. It needs maintenance like any older building. They are using the opportunity of Trump’s vacation to do those tasks.

    Curious George: It looks like The White House is in sad shape.

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    Curious George August 4, 2017 at 6:59 am  (Quote) #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG.:
    Huh, looks like P&E and others are just gonna take the “Joe Arpaio? Never heard of him!” approach.

    It’s to be expected from P&E. If she doesn’t report it, her readers will think it didn’t really happen.

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    Curious George August 4, 2017 at 7:32 am  (Quote) #

    Maintenance on The White House:

    “According to the White House website, the mansion now has 132 rooms, 35 bathrooms, eight staircases and three elevators. It requires 570 gallons of paint to cover the outside of the White House.

    It’s really hard to figure out what the annual upkeep — repairs and restoration — have cost recently, but the Congressional Financial Services and Appropriations Act of 2008 said that those repairs would cost $1.6 million annually. That had nothing to do with staff salaries, utilities, food or anything else. The 2013 budget put out by the White House, however, asked for $750,000 for required and preventative maintenance.”

    http://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/home/2015/02/25/white-house-repairs-remodels-much-cost/23556089/

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    J.D. Sue August 4, 2017 at 9:27 am  (Quote) #

    Happy Birthday, President Obama!

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    Notorial Dissent August 4, 2017 at 5:27 pm  (Quote) #

    Actually, calling what Truman had a done a remodel is beyond understatement. They literally stripped it back to the sandstone walls, and dug at least two sub basements under it. Once that was completed they completely rebuilt the interior from the basement up as exactly to the old structure as they could with modern materials. They installed what at the time was state of the art heating and cooling systems as well as electrical and communications systems. All of which are or should be reaching the end of their life cycle. Exterior maintenance, considering the local climate is an ongoing exercise, and I would expect that the newer West Wing is probably also beginning to show its age. I really don’t know when the last systems update, or if there even was one of the main building was, so it could be showing its age in that respect.

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    Pete August 4, 2017 at 6:43 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George: If she doesn’t report it, her readers will think it didn’t really happen.

    If she doesn’t report it, her readers reader will think it didn’t really happen.

    There, fixed it for you.

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    bob August 4, 2017 at 7:24 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George: It’s to be expected from P&E.If she doesn’t report it, her readers will think it didn’t really happen.

    Today on Freedom Friday, Gallups begrudgingly admitted that Arpaio had been convicted “of multiple misdemeanors.” Despite repeatedly touting his closeness to Arpaio, Gallups didn’t even know it was only a single misdemeanor conviction.

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    Curious George August 5, 2017 at 8:34 am  (Quote) #

    Pete: If she doesn’t report it, her readers reader will think it didn’t really happen.

    There, fixed it for you.

    I like it. Thank you. But her numbers must be increasing with so many Fogbow people commenting on her articles. How do they get beyond her moderation and censorship wall?

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    Curious George August 5, 2017 at 8:40 am  (Quote) #

    bob: Today on Freedom Friday, Gallups begrudgingly admitted that Arpaio had been convicted “of multiple misdemeanors.”Despite repeatedly touting his closeness to Arpaio, Gallups didn’t even know it was only a single misdemeanor conviction.

    Hmmm, did Gal-oops get more erroneous legal input from Zoo-low? However, multiple misdemeanor convictions is sure to inflame his base more than a single conviction. Gotta watch for Gal-oops ulterior motives. Send more $$$$

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    Curious George August 5, 2017 at 12:42 pm  (Quote) #

    More on The White House situation…

    “By then, senior White House officials — including Mr. Trump’s chief of staff, top advisers, lawyers and spokespeople — had already cleared out to decamp to the Eisenhower Executive Office Building next door.”

    “That French Second Empire-style building will be their temporary office while government workers undertake a major West Wing renovation — a roughly two-week, $3.4 million overhaul that includes replacing the air-conditioning and heating system and installing new cables and wires, fresh paint and new carpets.”

    “Mr.Trump’s departure from the steamy capital marked the start of the project,…”

    ““I doubt that you would want to come to work on a hot summer day when the air-conditioning wasn’t working,” Lindsay Walters, the deputy White House press secretary, said on Friday, as the temperature on the White House lawn reached 90 degrees.”

    “We’re in a situation where it’s dire” Ms. Walters said of the heating and cooling systems, noting that given their constant use, their functional age is 81 years old.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/04/us/politics/trump-vacation-west-wing-renovation.html

    Now, imagine living in the splendor of Trump Tower or Maro Lago, and being a builder, who supposedly is a germaphobe and appears to be somewhat perfectionistic and he moves into The White House in it’s current state of disrepair. I know that I wouldn’t be happy living in humid, 90 degree temperatures without A/C. Been there done that. Under the circumstances, I might have a few choice words about the current condition of The White House. It would appear that The White House has been neglected during the past few years. Is it time for a new White House?

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG. August 5, 2017 at 3:13 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George: Hmmm, did Gal-oops get more erroneous legal input from Zoo-low? However, multiple misdemeanor convictions is sure to inflame his base more than a single conviction. Gotta watch for Gal-oops ulterior motives. Send more $$$$

    Indeed! Gal-oops needs a fresh flow of cash and lots of prayers to his crummy bootleg version of the Almighty. Only then can he save Joe from his fate. XD

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    bob August 5, 2017 at 3:34 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George: Hmmm, did Gal-oops get more erroneous legal input from Zoo-low?

    Zullo was not a guest, nor did Gallups reference the source of his information. I infer it wasn’t Zullo because, when Zullo is Gallups’ source, Gallups loves to discuss their many long, intimate telephone conversations with each other.

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    Pete August 5, 2017 at 5:13 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George: I like it. Thank you. But her numbers must be increasing with so many Fogbow people commenting on her articles. How do they get beyond her moderation and censorship wall?

    She must be desperate for someone, ANYONE, to read and comment.

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    Pete August 5, 2017 at 5:15 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George: ““I doubt that you would want to come to work on a hot summer day when the air-conditioning wasn’t working,” Lindsay Walters, the deputy White House press secretary, said on Friday, as the temperature on the White House lawn reached 90 degrees.”

    Wimps.

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    Pete August 5, 2017 at 5:16 pm  (Quote) #

    bob: Zullo was not a guest, nor did Gallups reference the source of his information.I infer it wasn’t Zullo because, when Zullo is Gallups’ source, Gallups loves to discuss their many long, intimate telephone conversations with each other.

    Gaaaaaggh.

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    Curious George August 5, 2017 at 6:16 pm  (Quote) #

    bob: Zullo was not a guest, nor did Gallups reference the source of his information.I infer it wasn’t Zullo because, when Zullo is Gallups’ source, Gallups loves to discuss their many long, intimate telephone conversations with each other.

    Intimate telephone conversations…..creepy!

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    Curious George August 5, 2017 at 6:19 pm  (Quote) #

    Pete: She must be desperate for someone, ANYONE, to read and comment.

    Not desperate enough. Just open the thing up and let the comments flow.

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    Curious George August 5, 2017 at 6:23 pm  (Quote) #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG.: Indeed! Gal-oops needs a fresh flow of cash and lots of prayers to his crummy bootleg version of the Almighty. Only then can he save Joe from his fate. XD

    Gal-Loops middle name is blasphemy.

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    bob August 5, 2017 at 6:27 pm  (Quote) #

    Pete: She must be desperate for someone, ANYONE, to read and comment.

    For the past few weeks, Rondeau has really lightened up on her moderation. Heck, she’s permitting Foggy to openly dismiss Fitzpatrick and the other three remaining birthers. You can even now say “President Obama” on her site, it would appear.

    There have been reports of a few over-the-top comments not surviving moderation. And no swearing or begging for money (unless you are ex-con Judy, it would appear).

  68. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 5, 2017 at 7:08 pm  (Quote) #

    I guess she realizes that silencing all dissenting opinions will turn her site into another ghost town. And is Foggy serious that the guy who ran BR kicked the bucket, or was he just yanking their collective chain?

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    Curious George August 5, 2017 at 7:20 pm  (Quote) #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    I guess she realizes that silencing all dissenting opinions will turn her site into another ghost town. And is Foggy serious that the guy who ran BR kicked the bucket, or was he just yanking their collective chain?

    I thought the guy was probably arrested for running a ridiculous site.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG August 5, 2017 at 7:39 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George: I thought the guy was probably arrested for running a ridiculous site.

    Yeesh. I hope that’s not a crime, or at least one with a short statute of limitations. Some of us(unless I’m the only one) were teenagers with a Geocities page in the 90s. XD

  71. avatar
    donna August 5, 2017 at 7:40 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George: It would appear that The White House has been neglected during the past few years. Is it time for a new White House?

    This work, the spokesman said, was approved under the Obama administration. They are known as the “West Wing Phase Two Renovations” because they follow an initial renovation that was completed in 2012.

    The West Wing HVAC upgrade was awarded in 2014 for $1.965 million, a GSA spokesperson tells T&C, adding that the “HVAC system is well past its life cycle and will fail in the near future without intervention.”

    http://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a10366986/trump-white-house-renovation-details/

    Re Arpaio: He’s begging for money and appealing the verdict ….. A letter from Sheriff Joe Arpaio after being found guilty by judge

    http://dennismichaellynch.com/letter-sheriff-joe-arpaio-found-guilty-judge/

  72. avatar
    bob August 5, 2017 at 9:27 pm  (Quote) #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    I guess she realizes that silencing all dissenting opinions will turn her site into another ghost town.

    That’s what Rondeau was doing for years, and it essentially was; she’s seemed content to preside over a ghost town. I think she finally realized that more traffic meant more money.

    And is Foggy serious that the guy who ran BR kicked the bucket, or was he just yanking their collective chain?

    Yanking, mostly; it is the reasonable inference from the site’s disintegration.

  73. avatar
    Rickey August 5, 2017 at 9:45 pm  (Quote) #

    donna:

    Re Arpaio: He’s begging for money and appealing the verdict ….. A letter from Sheriff Joe Arpaio after being found guilty by judge

    That letter is a pack of lies, of course.

    Speaking of lies, Trump is denying that he called the White House “a dump,” which means that he did say it.

  74. avatar
    Keith August 5, 2017 at 10:52 pm  (Quote) #

    Notorial Dissent: I would expect that the newer West Wing is probably also beginning to show its age.

    I remember reporting, on this site, back just before the 2012 election that the birther’s dreams were coming true: Obama would be out of the Oval Office by February 2013 (I think).

    They were doing maintenance and the Oval Office was out of commission for about 2 months I think.

  75. avatar
    Keith August 5, 2017 at 10:55 pm  (Quote) #

    Crustacean: If they don’t know, they can call ‘The Mooch’ for instructions.

    Still won’t do them any good. None of them could figure out how to dump water out of a boot even if the instructions were printed on the heel.

  76. avatar
    Keith August 5, 2017 at 10:59 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George: and installing new cables and wires,

    What? Don’t the Ruskies already have enough bugs installed?

  77. avatar
    Curious George August 6, 2017 at 5:57 am  (Quote) #

    Keith: What? Don’t the Ruskies already have enough bugs installed?

    Better ask Dennis M. He’d know.

    The Arpaio fund raising letter is really warped.

    http://dennismichaellynch.com/letter-sheriff-joe-arpaio-found-guilty-judge/

  78. avatar
    J.D. Sue August 6, 2017 at 10:04 am  (Quote) #

    donna: Re Arpaio: He’s begging for money and appealing the verdict ….. A letter from Sheriff Joe Arpaio after being found guilty by judge

    —-

    And apparently he didn’t even show up — by phone — in court last week. http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/former-sheriff-joe-arpaio-doesnt-appear-for-pre-sentencing-hearing-9558672

    I sure would like to see that contemptuous scofflaw sit in jail for a while.

  79. avatar
    donna August 6, 2017 at 11:58 am  (Quote) #

    J.D. Sue: I sure would like to see that contemptuous scofflaw sit in jail for a while.

    If I could create more than stick-figures, I would produce an image of Arpaio sewing pink panties for his stay in prison.

    From Arpaio’s letter: “I swear to you I will continue to fight this all the way to the Supreme Court if I have to – but I must have your help!”

    I guess Trump won’t have to pardon Arpaio any time soon …. if at all.

    Birtherism again appeared on Meet The Press:

    Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) in an interview broadcast Sunday said he wished the Republican Party had stood up to bitherism.

    Flake said the birther movement, a conspiracy theory that claimed former President Barack Obama was not born in the United States, “was particularly ugly.”

    http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/345509-flake-i-wish-gop-had-stood-up-to-birtherism

  80. avatar
    J.D. Sue August 6, 2017 at 3:26 pm  (Quote) #

    Illinois makes ‘Barack Obama Day’ a state holiday, beginning August 4, 2018.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/345523-illinois-makes-barack-obama-day-a-state-holiday

  81. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG. August 6, 2017 at 4:05 pm  (Quote) #

    J.D. Sue:
    Illinois makes ‘Barack Obama Day’ a state holiday, beginningAugust 4, 2018.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/345523-illinois-makes-barack-obama-day-a-state-holiday

    Salt! Salt, for the birther wounds! XD

  82. avatar
    Northland10 August 7, 2017 at 8:04 pm  (Quote) #

    J.D. Sue:
    Illinois makes ‘Barack Obama Day’ a state holiday, beginningAugust 4, 2018.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/345523-illinois-makes-barack-obama-day-a-state-holiday

    We should also make a a holiday to honor the conviction of our former governors. One must honor tradition.

  83. avatar
    Rickey August 8, 2017 at 12:52 am  (Quote) #

    In other news Michelle Obama’s brother, Craig Robinson, reportedly has been hired for a front office job by the New York Knicks of the NBA.

    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20275194/new-york-knicks-hire-craig-robinson-brother-law-former-president-barack-obama-front-office-role

  84. avatar
    Keith August 8, 2017 at 2:46 am  (Quote) #

    Hey Doc, Randall Munroe finally got around to replying to your invitation…

    Email Reply

  85. avatar
    J.D. Sue August 8, 2017 at 11:10 am  (Quote) #

    Northland10: We should also make a a holiday to honor the conviction of our former governors. One must honor tradition.

    Well, you know what they say: Mothers, don’t let your children grow up to be Governor of Illinois.

  86. avatar
    Rickey August 8, 2017 at 12:15 pm  (Quote) #

    WGN reported in May that Rod Blagojevich has filed another appeal with the 7th Circuit. Unless he succeeds (and SCOTUS has already shot him down once), he’ll be locked up until 2024.

  87. avatar
    Curious George August 8, 2017 at 8:59 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    The Post & Email–Fake news site and Birtherism’s last bastion–Part 2 Sharon Rondeau

    You forgot to include that she is a well educated control freak who delights in censorship and fails to allow a free flowing discussion on her P&E. You also forgot to include that she delights in all the false and fake information that Zoo-Low has provided to her which makes her special in her opinion, but quite delusional in the eyes of others. Let’s see if she says anything about Mr. Arpaio’s latest news story about Arpaio’s confusion as to why President Trump hasn’t pardoned him. Don’t hold your breath Joe, Trump would be a fool to let you skate.

  88. avatar
    Reality Check August 8, 2017 at 9:09 pm  (Quote) #

    There is more to come.

    Curious George: You forgot to include that she is a well educated control freak who delights in censorship and fails to allow a free flowing discussion on her P&E. You also forgot to include that she delights in all the false and fake information that Zoo-Low has provided to her which makes her special in her opinion, but quite delusional in the eyes of others.

  89. avatar
    Rickey August 8, 2017 at 9:56 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    The Post & Email–Fake news site and Birtherism’s last bastion–Part 2 Sharon Rondeau

    One correction: Rondeau’s husband is Gerard Rondeau, not Gerald. He is (or was) a self-employed home improvements contractor.

    I have some other info that I will email to you.

  90. avatar
    Reality Check August 9, 2017 at 8:34 am  (Quote) #

    I made the correction. Thanks.

    Rickey: One correction:

  91. avatar
    Curious George August 9, 2017 at 8:53 am  (Quote) #
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    Curious George August 9, 2017 at 11:51 am  (Quote) #
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    Northland10 August 9, 2017 at 1:16 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George:
    Speaking about more Arpaio news….

    http://www.azfamily.com/story/36093036/arpaio-wants-to-know-why-trump-has-been-silent-on-his-case

    Why has Trump been silent? He does not share the spotlight.

    Why won’t Arpaio personally ask and instead wants others to ask for him? Because, it is about seeing supporters adoring Arpaio, not the actual case.

    If Trump starts slipping with his base, he may find he has to run to the rescue to shore up that base.

  94. avatar
    Joey August 9, 2017 at 3:16 pm  (Quote) #
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    Curious George August 9, 2017 at 4:14 pm  (Quote) #

    Joey:
    “A Presidential Pardon For America’s Toughest Sheriff?”
    https://townhall.com/columnists/bobbarr/2017/08/09/a-presidential-pardon-for-americas-toughest-sheriff-n2366171

    Try to post the truth about Arpaio. They won’t let it go through.

  96. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG. August 9, 2017 at 5:00 pm  (Quote) #

    Whats the difference between Joe and a slice of jerky?
    The Jerky is a lot less salty.

  97. avatar
    Notorial Dissent August 9, 2017 at 5:37 pm  (Quote) #

    The Shurf is no longer of ANY political value to Trump, so is totally off his radar, and he has other considerably bigger fish on to burn right now to worry about a little AZ nobody.

  98. avatar
    Rickey August 10, 2017 at 12:50 am  (Quote) #

    Joey:
    “A Presidential Pardon For America’s Toughest Sheriff?”
    https://townhall.com/columnists/bobbarr/2017/08/09/a-presidential-pardon-for-americas-toughest-sheriff-n2366171

    Wow. There’s a lot of stupid in both Barr’s article and the comments.

    The Federal investigation of the MCSO began in June, 2008. Guess who was president then?

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/assistant-attorney-general-thomas-e-perez-speaks-maricopa-county-sheriff-s-office

    Arpaio wasn’t entitled to a jury trial because he was charged with a misdemeanor which carries a maximum prison sentence of six months or less. BLANTON v. NORTH LAS VEGAS, (1989), No. 87-1437

    It’s hard to believe that Barr doesn’t know that.

    http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/489/538.html

  99. avatar
    Curious George August 10, 2017 at 3:22 pm  (Quote) #

    Rickey: Wow. There’s a lot of stupid in both Barr’s article and the comments.

    The Federal investigation of the MCSO began in June, 2008. Guess who was president then?

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/assistant-attorney-general-thomas-e-perez-speaks-maricopa-county-sheriff-s-office

    Arpaio wasn’t entitled to a jury trial because he was charged with a misdemeanor which carries a maximum prison sentence of six months or less. BLANTON v. NORTH LAS VEGAS, (1989), No. 87-1437

    It’s hard to believe that Barr doesn’t know that.

    http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/489/538.html

    A lot of ignorant people are still supporting Arpaio. He did a great job brainwashing people with all of his political mailers. Then you have nutcakes like MB, SR, MV, CG, and MG who continue to be true believers and always stir the pot for Arpaio.

  100. avatar
    bob August 10, 2017 at 8:24 pm  (Quote) #

    In other news:

    1.Arpaio whined again to Corsi in Infowars’ “latest.” :yawn:

    2. New York dismissed Laity’s latest in his ballot challenge against Cruz: moot. Just like Paige’s case.

  101. avatar
    Pete August 10, 2017 at 10:42 pm  (Quote) #

    Any place for Laity to appeal? Are we down to just Judy’s hopeless BS?

  102. avatar
    bob August 11, 2017 at 12:00 am  (Quote) #

    Pete:
    Any place for Laity to appeal? Are we down to just Judy’s hopeless BS?

    Laity can (and I expect will) appeal to New York’s highest court, and then to SCOTUS.

    Both appeals are discretionary, so it’ll just be twice “denied.” Still, buys a few month’s time.

  103. avatar
    Rickey August 11, 2017 at 3:05 am  (Quote) #

    bob: Laity can (and I expect will) appeal to New York’s highest court, and then to SCOTUS.

    Yes, this decision was issued by one of the lower appellate courts. The highest court in New York State is the full Court of Appeals, which consists of a Chief Judge and six Associate Judges.

  104. avatar
    Reality Check August 11, 2017 at 7:59 am  (Quote) #

    Pretty much. Brooke Paige indicated he might file a motion for reconsideration in the Vermont SC but I haven’t seen anything. Mario Apuzzo seems to have given up. Even Judy is down to recycling videos from last year.

    Birtherism is on life support and the tanks are about empty.

    Pete:
    Any place for Laity to appeal? Are we down to just Judy’s hopeless BS?

  105. avatar
    bob August 11, 2017 at 11:31 am  (Quote) #

    I anticipate the last of birther cases will be fully exhausted sometime next year. Which means there will have been 10 continuous years of a birther case clogging up at least one docket.

  106. avatar
    Rickey August 11, 2017 at 4:20 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    Even Judy is down to recycling videos from last year.

    He hasn’t updated his blog since July 14.

  107. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 11, 2017 at 9:28 pm  (Quote) #

    Montgomery Blair Sibley bar membership lapsed–no longer able to practice law in Florida.

    https://www.floridabar.org/directories/find-mbr/profile/?num=725730

  108. avatar
    Curious George August 11, 2017 at 9:55 pm  (Quote) #

    Rickey: He hasn’t updated his blog since July 14.

    There is nothing as boring as Summer reruns.

  109. avatar
    Andrew F Vrba, PmG August 12, 2017 at 12:24 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Montgomery Blair Sibley bar membership lapsed–no longer able to practice law in Florida.

    https://www.floridabar.org/directories/find-mbr/profile/?num=725730

    Now if Orly would just follow that example.

  110. avatar
    Pete August 12, 2017 at 12:40 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check: Mario Apuzzo seems to have given up.

    Well, that’s a good thing.

    On the plus side, Apuzzo’s managed to maintain a record of 100% consistency when it comes to Constitutional law.

    How many losses has he had?

  111. avatar
    Reality Check August 12, 2017 at 2:02 pm  (Quote) #

    At least 16. But who’s counting? Oh wait.. Birther Attorney Mario Apuzzo continues to rack up the losses

    Pete: Well, that’s a good thing.

    On the plus side, Apuzzo’s managed to maintain a record of 100% consistency when it comes to Constitutional law.

    How many losses has he had?

  112. avatar
    bob August 12, 2017 at 2:05 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Montgomery Blair Sibley bar membership lapsed–no longer able to practice law in Florida.

    https://www.floridabar.org/directories/find-mbr/profile/?num=725730

    That’s been true for awhile; his license was suspended, and he refused to comply with conditions of reinstatement.

    But he’s been quiet lately, regardless.

    * * *

    RC has Apuzzo at 0-16. Apuzzo occasionally lets a comment through on his blog, but that’s about it for him. Very rarely he’ll post his own comment, but the fire’s out that belly as well.

    * * *

    Ex-con Judy is still bizzy on Facebook, Twitter, and has now also decamped to Rondeau’s comments section.

  113. avatar
    Rickey August 12, 2017 at 3:25 pm  (Quote) #

    Arpaio claims that “many people” are saying that Trump should pardon him.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/apraio-wouldnt-refuse-trump-pardon

  114. avatar
    Curious George August 13, 2017 at 8:38 am  (Quote) #

    Rickey:
    Arpaio claims that “many people” are saying that Trump should pardon him.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/apraio-wouldnt-refuse-trump-pardon

    Arpaio won’t make the call to Trump because there is a national movement of people who want a presidential pardon for Joe. This is just more of the same old media manipulation by Arpaio. I won’t ask for it but I sure will accept it. And Joe continues to promote this in news articles across the internet. This is so Joe. Lock him up!

  115. avatar
    Notorial Dissent August 13, 2017 at 6:21 pm  (Quote) #

    Yeah, there is an upswell of demand for a pardon, just like he wasn’t breaking the law or contemptuously ignoring court orders. It must be particularly hard on the poor old dear not having his coterie of “Yes, Shurf” men following him around at his beck and call.

  116. avatar
    Pete August 13, 2017 at 7:02 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    At least 16. But who’s counting?

    0 for 16.

    You gotta admire consistency.

  117. avatar
    Reality Check August 13, 2017 at 7:51 pm  (Quote) #

    However, he once got a guy off who had received a ticket for not having his headlights on when running his windshield wipers. I don’t know if he cited de Vattel in that one.

    Pete: 0 for 16.

    You gotta admire consistency.

  118. avatar
    Rickey August 13, 2017 at 8:24 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    However, he once got a guy off who had received a ticket for not having his headlights on when running his windshield wipers. I don’t know if he cited de Vattel in that one.

    Was his client driving a natural-born vehicle?

  119. avatar
    Keith August 13, 2017 at 8:45 pm  (Quote) #

    Rickey:
    Arpaio claims that “many people” are saying that Trump should pardon him.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/apraio-wouldnt-refuse-trump-pardon

    They better get a move on then, before the 25th Amendment remedy gets used.

  120. avatar
    Keith August 14, 2017 at 3:11 am  (Quote) #

    Birtherism rears its ugly head in Australia.

    2 Greens Party Senators, a Liberal Party senator (Cabinet Member), a One Nation Party Senator, and a Nationals Party Representative (Deputy Prime Minister) have been caught out by Section 44 of the Australian Constitution which reads in part…

    44. Any person who –

    (i.) Is under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or citizen of a foreign power: …

    shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives.

    This means, yep, foreign law gets to determine who is and who is not eligible to hold a seat in the Australian Parliament.

    Wikipedia has a pretty good description of the issues Section 44 of the Constitution of Australia

    In the case of the Greens Senators they were born overseas and moved to Australia at an early age. They didn’t realize they were dual citizens (one of New Zealand, one of Canada). Both relinquished their seats without fuss.

    My comment at the time was that there are a lot of Greeks and Italians in the Parliament, they better hope nobody checks them out. Can they PROVE they are not Greek or Italian citizens?

    Sure enough, a few days later, the Liberal Party Senator resigned his Cabinet position and asked the High Court to rule on his case. His mother registered him as an Italian citizen in 2006. He claims he was unaware of his mother’s action.

    The One Nation Party Senator (One Nation is the rat bag bigot nationalist party) was born in India to an Australian mother and a British father. Records show he was a UK citizen at 19. He denies this and claims he tried to confirm that he was not a UK citizen before he was elected. His own party leader moved for his case to be submitted to the High Court for determination.

    Then we come to today’s revelation. The Deputy Prime Minister has ‘just’ found out that he is a dual citizen of New Zealand, and it has been absolutely confirmed by New Zealand.

    This one has consequences, because the Coalition (Liberal Party/National Party) only has a one seat majority in the House of Representatives. So far he hasn’t said that he will be stepping down or even not voting. The Government is on the run.

    Clearly the dual citizenship phrasing of the Constitution needs to be rethought, but the Aussie Constitution is almost impossible to amend. While this one is probably a no-brainer, the Government has just decided to waste 122 million dollars on a binding/non-binding ‘plebisite’ on Equal Marriage Laws (I say binding/non-binding because they have agreed that a NO result will be binding, but a YES result will allow a ‘free’ vote in Parliament), so it isn’t going to go down well to immediately have another actual Constitutional referendum.

  121. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG. August 14, 2017 at 2:54 pm  (Quote) #

    bob:
    The Hill: Trump tells Fox he’s considering pardon for ‘Sheriff Joe’ Arpaio.

    Before the birthers start celebrating, someone should remind them that a pardon doesn’t expunge the conviction. Joe is gonna go to his grave with that black mark on his record, regardless.

  122. avatar
    Mitch Martinson August 14, 2017 at 6:17 pm  (Quote) #

    Our take of the Arpaio pardon news: bit.ly/AZp1480

    Playing on your comment, Andrew, I find it interesting that Fox’s Jarrett notes that Trump could wait to see how appeals process plays out, but quotes POTUS as saying he might want to rush it.

    Maybe that’s why Arpaio’s attorney told me he has “no comment”.

  123. avatar
    Curious George August 14, 2017 at 6:43 pm  (Quote) #

    If President Trump pardons Joe Arpaio for his actions against people of color and his actions against the U.S. Constitution, it will be a very sad day for everyone in Maricopa County, Arizona who worked to bring this man to justice and to hold him accountable. The rule of law will suffer a huge defeat with a Trump pardon for Arpaio.

  124. avatar
    Pete August 14, 2017 at 7:16 pm  (Quote) #

    Yes, it will.

  125. avatar
    donna August 14, 2017 at 7:31 pm  (Quote) #

    My fave tweet du jour:

    jay smooth‏ @jsmooth995

    Yes yes sure I’m totally against all racists, now if you’ll excuse me I’m late for my meeting w/ Steve Bannon about pardoning Joe Arpaio.

  126. avatar
    Rickey August 14, 2017 at 10:48 pm  (Quote) #

    ACLU: Pardon for Sheriff Joe Would Be ‘Presidential Endorsement of Racism’

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/aclu-pardon-by-donald-trump-for-sheriff-joe-arpaio-would-promote-racism-9592796

  127. avatar
    donna August 15, 2017 at 9:43 am  (Quote) #
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    J.D. Sue August 15, 2017 at 11:32 am  (Quote) #

    donna: totally against all racists, now if you’ll excuse me I’m late for my meeting w/ Steve Bannon about pardoning Joe Arpaio.

    ________

    and totally for law and order, except when it comes to court orders.

  129. avatar
    Rickey August 15, 2017 at 4:33 pm  (Quote) #

    Polls are suggesting that Roy Moore is likely to come in first in today’s Senate primary in Alabama. Things may be different in the inevitable runoff.

  130. avatar
    donna August 15, 2017 at 5:17 pm  (Quote) #

    J.D. Sue: and totally for law and order, except when it comes to court orders.

    Flashback Trump 8:56 AM – 18 Jul 2012:

    Congratulations to @RealSheriffJoe on his successful Cold Case Posse investigation which claims @BarackObama’s ‘birth certificate’ is fake

    From WAPO’s article “Trump’s first pardon: An authoritarian racist who thinks he’s above the law?”

    “While he could serve up to six months in prison, most legal observers think it unlikely that an 85-year-old man would be put behind bars, meaning Arpaio will once again escape accountability for his actions.

    So that’s the person Trump is considering making the first recipient of a pardon in his presidency: someone with a long history of racist actions and racist policies, who was finally convicted of a crime he proudly owned up to. Should anyone be surprised?”

  131. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 15, 2017 at 5:51 pm  (Quote) #

    Sigh.

  132. avatar
    J.D. Sue August 15, 2017 at 8:36 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Sigh.

    —-
    Doc, you said a mouthful.

  133. avatar
    Rickey August 15, 2017 at 10:59 pm  (Quote) #

    The pollsters in Alabama were correct. Roy Moore took 40% of the vote and will face Sen. Luther Strange in a runoff on September 26.

    Turnout was very small, apparently in the 10%-15% range.

    The news about the Alabama primary has been buried by Trump’s rants today.

  134. avatar
    Keith August 16, 2017 at 1:36 am  (Quote) #

    Further to my report the other day about “Birtherism” in Australia.

    Remember the arguments we had about dual citizenship and whether or not Obama might be one and how North Korea might declare everyone in the USA to be a citizen and thus making everyone ineligible if dual citizenship affected NBC status? Its a long time ago now, I know, but:

    Section 44 Means ALL Politicians May Be Disqualified From Parliament, Barrister Claims

    “Under recent and little-noticed changes to New Zealand law, Australian citizens now don’t need a visa to live, study or work in the Land of the Long White Cloud. That’s right: Any Australian citizen is entitled to live, study and work there,” Angyal said.

    “That means we’re ALL entitled to the rights and privileges of a subject of New Zealand — not a citizen, with the attached rights and privileges such as voting — but to be a subject of that country, living there, subject to New Zealand law, working or studying. And there’s no doubt that New Zealand is a foreign power.”

    Angyal argued that under this New Zealand offer, and other such laws in other countries around the world, all Australian citizens are inadvertently in breach of section 44.

    “You don’t have to have the rights and privileges of a subject of a foreign power — you just have to be entitled to those rights and privileges,” Angyal wrote.

    “New Zealand law has made every Australian citizen incapable of being elected to, or serving in, the Australian Parliament. It’s not just Barnaby Joyce: It’s everyone!”

    😎

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