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The additional open thread: Truth, justice and the American way edition

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92 Responses to The additional open thread: Truth, justice and the American way edition

  1. avatar
    Reality Check July 5, 2017 at 5:51 pm  (Quote) #

    A shiny new open thread! Thanks Doc.

    Looks like Cody Judy didn’t win his eviction case after all.

    https://www.facebook.com/codyrobert.judy/posts/10209488295100222

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 5, 2017 at 9:35 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    A shiny new open thread!Thanks Doc.

    Looks like Cody Judy didn’t win his eviction case after all.

    https://www.facebook.com/codyrobert.judy/posts/10209488295100222

    One of his fans claims that this is all because Obama fears him. XD Fear the almighty couch crasher!

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    Notorial Dissent July 5, 2017 at 11:08 pm  (Quote) #

    Of course, it couldn’t possibly be because he’s a lying, incompetent ass, nah, that couldn’t possibly be it.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: One of his fans claims that this is all because Obama fears him. XD Fear the almighty couch crasher!

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 6, 2017 at 3:49 am  (Quote) #

    Notorial Dissent:
    Of course, it couldn’t possibly be because he’s a lying, incompetent ass, nah, that couldn’t possibly be it.

    Unless his “neighbor with a couch” is as cracked as he is, he’ll probably be minding his Ps and Qs , lest he wants to lose even that modest offer.

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    bob July 6, 2017 at 2:52 pm  (Quote) #

    Arpaio asked Justice Kennedy to stay his trial while Arpaio’s petition is pending in SCOTUS; Kennedy said “no”.

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    bob July 6, 2017 at 2:56 pm  (Quote) #

    Notorial Dissent:
    Of course, it couldn’t possibly be because he’s a lying, incompetent ass, nah, that couldn’t possibly be it.

    Reading between the lines (that is, ex-con Judy’s unreliable narration), it sounds like the judge didn’t promptly kick ex-con Judy out because the court needed some time to consider ex-con Judy’s “miracle” document. Upon consideration, the court has now decided that ex-con Judy’s miracle document didn’t have the power to stop an eviction.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 6, 2017 at 3:07 pm  (Quote) #

    bob:
    Arpaio asked Justice Kennedy to stay his trial while Arpaio’s petition is pending in SCOTUS; Kennedy said “no”.

    “America’s Toughest Sheriff”™ is a groveling coward without that badge to hide behind. Its gratifying to see such a wicked person getting their just desserts. Even if he doesn’t see a single day of jail time, no one will remember him as a tough guy after this trial.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 6, 2017 at 5:13 pm  (Quote) #

    A continued thought on my last post:
    That’s really what its all about for guys like Arpaio: Image is everything. I’d wager its not the six months in jail that scares him, so much as he’ll have “Convicted felon” as a legacy. To someone who sees themselves a real-life lawman from a John Wayne movie, that’s a fate worse than death.

    Then you have the other side of the coin, Judy. To whom image means nothing. He doesn’t care that people are going to remember him as a complete kook. Just so long as he’s got, in his mind at least, the slimmest chance of the smallest legal victory, then its all worth it. He strikes me as someone who would show up to court dressed as a baseball mascot, speaking in only dated fast-food slogans, if he thought it would help his case. And Judy, if you’re reading this from your neighbor’s couch, it just might so give it a go! *wink*

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    Curious George July 7, 2017 at 7:20 am  (Quote) #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    A continued thought on my last post:
    That’s really what its all about for guys like Arpaio: Image is everything. I’d wager its not the six months in jail that scares him, so much as he’ll have “Convicted felon” as a legacy. To someone who sees themselves a real-life lawman from a John Wayne movie, that’s a fate worse than death.

    Arpaio is being tried for a misdemeanor, not a felony. But any conviction would be tough for Arpaio to accept.

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    Curious George July 7, 2017 at 9:00 am  (Quote) #

    Remember the fearless, X-Cold Case Posse Corporal giving the good Reverend Carl Gallups and Journalist (?) Sharon Rondeau and us a complete legal analysis of the charge against X-Sheriff Arpaio and the Statute of Limitations, Section 402? Remember that was supposed to be their trump card for ending the legal action against Arpaio? Well, here is the result of Zullo’s prediction. Another EPIC BIRTHER FAILURE.

    “For reasons as stated on the record, IT IS ORDERED denying Defendant’s Motion for a Judgment of Acquittal re: Statute of Limitations, Section 402 (Doc. 188 ) [see attached minute entry for details]. (Court Reporter Liz Lemke) Hearing held 9:01 AM to 2:09 PM.(MAW) (Entered: 07/06/2017)”

    H/T to Fogbow and Tes

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    Dr. Conspiracy July 7, 2017 at 11:30 am  (Quote) #

    Closing arguments should have wrapped up yesterday. Hail Mary to the Supreme Court demanding a jury trial.

    http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/07/03/joe-arpaio-asks-us-supreme-court-stop-his-contempt-trial/449168001/

    Curious George:
    Remember the fearless, X-Cold Case Posse Corporal giving the good Reverend Carl Gallups and Journalist (?) Sharon Rondeau and us a complete legal analysis of the charge against X-Sheriff Arpaio and the Statute of Limitations, Section 402?Remember that was supposed to be their trump card for ending the legal action against Arpaio?Well, here is the result of Zullo’s prediction. Another EPIC BIRTHER FAILURE.

    “For reasons as stated on the record, IT IS ORDERED denying Defendant’s Motion for a Judgment of Acquittal re: Statute of Limitations, Section 402 (Doc. 188 ) [see attached minute entry for details]. (Court Reporter Liz Lemke) Hearing held 9:01 AM to 2:09 PM.(MAW) (Entered: 07/06/2017)”

    H/T to Fogbow and Tes

  12. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 7, 2017 at 11:55 am  (Quote) #

    It has been reported that Theo Vouras has had his YouTube account canceled for some graphic images and content related to the Sandy Hook Truther conspiracy theory. Theo Vouras was identified by me as Barry Soetoro ESQ as part of my OARPA project. I was never able to find any real person with the name Theo Vouras, and assume it was a pseudonym, nor was I able to match the profile photo on that Facebook account with anyone. When I searched for the image in Google, one of the hits was Al Gore.

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    Northland10 July 7, 2017 at 1:05 pm  (Quote) #

    Incomplete pass.

    Jun 27 2017 Application (17A26) for a stay of proceedings pending disposition of the petition for a writ of mandamus, submitted to Justice Kennedy.

    Jul 5 2017 Application (17A26) denied by Justice Kennedy.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Closing arguments should have wrapped up yesterday. Hail Mary to the Supreme Court demanding a jury trial.

    http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/07/03/joe-arpaio-asks-us-supreme-court-stop-his-contempt-trial/449168001/

  14. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 7, 2017 at 4:34 pm  (Quote) #

    Birthers be getting slapped down left and right this week! I love it!

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 7, 2017 at 5:17 pm  (Quote) #

    Also, over on P&E, Foggy is smacking Walter Fitzpatrick around something fierce. Walter is doing his damndest to pull a “lalala! I can’t hear you! I’m a big important military guy!” bit, but Foggy is having none of it. Destroying ole Walt’s paper thin arguments with those pesky facts.

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    bob July 7, 2017 at 5:29 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George:
    Remember the fearless, X-Cold Case Posse Corporal giving the good Reverend Carl Gallups and Journalist (?) Sharon Rondeau and us a complete legal analysis of the charge against X-Sheriff Arpaio and the Statute of Limitations, Section 402?

    The section 402 argument actually raised by Arpaio’s lawyers (and rejected by the courts) bear little resemblance to Zullo’s word salad on the subject. So, technically, no one has refuted Zullo! /birther

    But speaking of Zullo, he’s slated to be on Freedom Friday in around 30 minutes.

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    Curious George July 7, 2017 at 8:04 pm  (Quote) #

    “The section 402 argument actually raised by Arpaio’s lawyers (and rejected by the courts) bear little resemblance to Zullo’s word salad on the subject. So, technically, no one has refuted Zullo! /birther”

    Zullo’s just trying to stay relevant while remaining irrelevant. “Word salad” pretty well sums it up.

  18. avatar
    bob July 7, 2017 at 11:22 pm  (Quote) #

    In a shocker: Zullo said nothing especially noteworthy today on Freedom Friday. But plenty of the usual, including stay tuned for “new” revelations!

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    Pete July 8, 2017 at 3:35 pm  (Quote) #

    They’ll have the usurper Obama driven from office any day now.

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    Andrew F Vrba, PmG. July 8, 2017 at 6:21 pm  (Quote) #

    I’m of the opinion that Zullo is going to maintain a fairly low profile until Ex-shurf joke’s trial is over.

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    Rickey July 8, 2017 at 10:21 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:

    Looks like Cody Judy didn’t win his eviction case after all.

    It keeps alive his streak of never having won a court case. And pretty soon he’ll be able to put another notch in his belt of losses.

    So I’m browsing through his Facebook page and discovered that six days ago, while he was facing the possibility of imminent eviction, he donated $20 to a beauty contest contestant who was entered in the “Ms. Woman United States” pageant in Orlando, Florida.

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    Reality Check July 9, 2017 at 2:20 pm  (Quote) #

    The idea that Cody Judy was able to win over a real estate attorney was a fantasy in his mind just like the one that he actually has a real case against President Obama.

    Rickey: It keeps alive his streak of never having won a court case. And pretty soon he’ll be able to put another notch in his belt of losses.

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    Rickey July 9, 2017 at 6:08 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    The idea that Cody Judy was able to win over a real estate attorney was a fantasy in his mind just like the one that he actually has a real case against President Obama.

    And there are attorneys in Utah who would have represented him pro bono.

    He may well have gotten the shaft. There are lots of stories about people who buy rental units and try to evict current tenants so they can raise the rent. But real estate law is complicated, and as they say anyone who represents himself in court has a fool for a client.

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    trader jack July 10, 2017 at 3:26 am  (Quote) #

    So, is it true that Obama’a birth certificate got lost when it was transferred from Onaka’s safe to the regular files?

    Heard that rumor from a family member on Oahu!

    [Given that the certificate was in a bound volume, I find this highly unlikely. Doc.]

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    Notorial Dissent July 10, 2017 at 6:54 am  (Quote) #

    In other words and at all times Judy!!!!!

    Rickey: And there are attorneys in Utah who would have represented him pro bono.

    He may well have gotten the shaft. There are lots of stories about people who buy rental units and try to evict current tenants so they can raise the rent. But real estate law is complicated, and as they say anyone who represents himself in court has a fool for a client.

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    gorefan July 11, 2017 at 9:53 pm  (Quote) #

    trader jack:
    So, is it true that Obama’a birth certificate got lost when it was transferred from Onaka’s safe to the regular files?

    Heard thatrumor from a family member on Oahu!

    [Given that the certificate was in a bound volume, I find this highly unlikely. Doc.]

    From FOX News:

    More than a month before Donald Trump began his media blitzkrieg over the issue of President Obama’s birth certificate, the document was quietly moved to a more secure location within a dual combination-key lock safe inside the state’s health department vault.

    The certificate was moved there by Alvin Onaka, Hawaii’s State Registrar, in response to what had already become an increasing number of media requests by FoxNews.com and others, according to sources.

    “It is my understanding that the book has been placed in a smaller locked container in the same secure safe,” Chiyome Fukino, who served as Hawaii’s health department director for eight years until last December, told FoxNews.com in late February. “The safe is still in the department.”

    Fukino and others claim the additional security measure reduces the number of people with access to the much-sought-after document from a handful to just one: Onaka himself.

    [skip]

    “After the 2008 elections, the Department of Health received a significant number of requests for a copy of President Obama’s original birth registration by individuals who believe that the president is not a U.S. citizen,” Fukino explained. “To assure the safety of the record, the bound volume was removed from the file vault and placed into a fireproof safe with limited access.”

    Fukino was ordered by then-governor Linda Lingle to view the document in 2008, and said she remains among the very few to have seen it prior to Monday, when Obama released a copy of his records to the public.

    Obama’s original certificate of live birth is bound with one ledger containing 499 other certificates of people born in Hawaii in 1961, according to Fukino. There are 500 sheets per book, and 35 volumes of 1961 birth records. The last series of digits in the registration number found on Hawaiian long form and current computerized-format birth certificates indicate which number volume the original document can be found inside the health department first-floor vault.

    According to Fukino, all books bound in the 1960s, including the one containing Obama’s birth certificate, have a bright orange elasticized canvas cover and the year of the birth designated on its spine.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/27/obama-birth-certificate-moved-secure-location-months-ago.html

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    Rickey July 11, 2017 at 10:31 pm  (Quote) #

    trader jack:
    So, is it true that Obama’a birth certificate got lost when it was transferred from Onaka’s safe to the regular files?

    Heard thatrumor from a family member on Oahu!

    [Given that the certificate was in a bound volume, I find this highly unlikely. Doc.]

    And it is clear that it was still in a bound volume when it was photocopied.

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    Reality Check July 12, 2017 at 7:47 am  (Quote) #

    Yes, and the edge curvature caused people like Paul Irey to make complete idiots of themselves on the Internet and radio shows.

    Rickey: And it is clear that it was still in a bound volume when it was photocopied.

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    Nancy Owens, Reagan's Second Shooter and Obama Forger July 12, 2017 at 1:18 pm  (Quote) #

    “Appeared” to be…. It’s a fake and not in any true official book binding by or in Hawaii.

    Rickey: And it is clear that it was still in a bound volume when it was photocopied.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 12, 2017 at 4:54 pm  (Quote) #

    Do my eyes deceive me, or did a birther actually wander back here? I figured after their ultimate failure at getting Obama removed from office and imprisoned, would make coming back here feel like eating an entire humble pie, stuffed with crow.

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    Pete July 12, 2017 at 6:01 pm  (Quote) #

    trader jack: So, is it true that Obama’a birth certificate got lost when it was transferred from Onaka’s safe to the regular files?

    Heard that rumor from a family member on Oahu!

    Is it true that you murdered Georgette Bauerdorf? And Elizabeth Short as well? I’ve heard that rumor from a normally VERY reliable source.

    And we do have your digitally-signed confession that places you in the exact same geographical area and social circle as Georgette’s murderer – at the exact same time – and also your confession that you were still in California at the time of Elizabeth’s murder, too.

    Right location, right time, right age, right description… right everything.

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    Reality Check July 12, 2017 at 7:57 pm  (Quote) #

    Seen on Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/fred.muggs/posts/1710338112327808

    Remember the good old days when we fretted over whether the President’s birth certificate said “certification” and didn’t have footy prints? Now we are worried over whether our President and his family are a pack of disgusting traitors.

    Can we bring back those days please?

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    Rickey July 12, 2017 at 9:48 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    Seen on Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/fred.muggs/posts/1710338112327808

    Wow! I didn’t know that J. Fred Muggs is on Facebook.

  34. avatar
    bob July 13, 2017 at 12:02 pm  (Quote) #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG:
    Do my eyes deceive me, or did a birther actually wander back here? I figured after their ultimate failure at getting Obama removed from office and imprisoned, would make coming back here feel like eating an entire humble pie, stuffed with crow.

    The deadenders now congregate at the P&E, where they console each other with the “true” meaning of natural-born citizen, and dream about the further adventures of “Any Day Now” Zullo.

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    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 13, 2017 at 5:15 pm  (Quote) #

    bob: The deadenders now congregate at the P&E, where they console each other with the “true” meaning of natural-born citizen, and dream about the further adventures of “Any Day Now” Zullo.

    Wow. so you really can fool some people all of the time.
    Guess this is the end game. Birtherism is the latest “The Moon Landing was faked!” It’ll be and irrelevant meme, repeated only by the mentally ill and hopelessly stupid, decades after the originators of the conspiracy have passed on. The birther faithful of this generation will still be muttering “Any day now…” on their death beds.

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    bob July 13, 2017 at 5:47 pm  (Quote) #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: Guess this is the end game.

    Yes. For years now, “birther” was nothing more than a punchline for the late-night comics. Now, it an insult wielded even by hardcore conservatives.

    The birther faithful of this generation will still be muttering “Any day now…” on their death beds.

    A few in the birther community have already died. I don’t know what they said on their death beds, but their last public words were unrepentant.

  37. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 13, 2017 at 8:33 pm  (Quote) #

    bob: A few in the birther community have already died. I don’t know what they said on their death beds, but their last public words were unrepentant.

    And I wouldn’t be at all surprised, if some birthers think that Darpa and the Obots somehow assassinated them.

  38. avatar
    Reality Check July 13, 2017 at 10:13 pm  (Quote) #

    I can assure you as the guy who apparently runs DARPA that if we could do what you suggest we would but we can’t. Of course, if we could I couldn’t tell you and I would lie about it.

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: And I wouldn’t be at all surprised, if some birthers think that Darpa and the Obots somehow assassinated them.

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    Reality Check July 14, 2017 at 7:08 am  (Quote) #

    For Birthers who usually aren’t intelligent enough to get satire: As they say on the Fogbow NADT*

    *Not a death threat.

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    J.D. Sue July 14, 2017 at 8:31 am  (Quote) #

    bob: where they console each other with the “true” meaning of natural-born citizen

    —–

    Well, now that they’ve finally got a real-American natural born citizen prez,, they don’t have to worry anymore about hostile foreign influence.

    Good grief.

  41. avatar
    Arthur B. July 14, 2017 at 4:57 pm  (Quote) #

    Here’s a fun tidbit!

    Judge Derrick Watson last night issued another order striking down parts of the latest version of the Trump Muslim ban (http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/politics/hawaii-ruling/2500/).

    On p. 15, he writes:

    “Equally problematic, the Government’s definition represents the antithesis of common sense. Common sense, for instance, dictates that close family members be defined to include grandparents. Indeed, grandparents are the epitome of close family members. The Government’s definition excludes them. That simply cannot be. See generally Klayman v. Obama, 142 F. Supp. 3d 172, 188 (D.D.C. 2015) (noting that courts should not ‘abandon all common sense’ when considering injunctive relief).”

  42. avatar
    J.D. Sue July 14, 2017 at 5:58 pm  (Quote) #

    Arthur B.: See generally Klayman v. Obama, 142 F. Supp. 3d 172, 188 (D.D.C. 2015) (noting that courts should not ‘abandon all common sense’ when considering injunctive relief).

    ______

    I love it!

  43. avatar
    donna July 14, 2017 at 7:26 pm  (Quote) #

    J.D. Sue: Good grief.

    Remember when we posted about the Russian connections? Good grief is right. And we haven’t even arrived at the money-laundering, fraud, cyber and Goddess knows what else. But I’m sure Mueller has since he has hired over15 very-accomplished attorneys. Who said Trump would be a great jobs president? And imagine being Tiffany’s classmate in her Georgetown Law classes.

    Obama once referred to Russia as a “regional power”. Well Trump et al fixed that for Putin.

    While some were indoctrinated with “fake news”, Trump and others were treated to this: https://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/veselnitskaya-conspiracy-theory?utm_term=.cdgrK7REn#.irvvKOX43

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    bob July 15, 2017 at 3:08 pm  (Quote) #

    Arthur B.:
    See generally Klayman v. Obama, 142 F. Supp. 3d 172, 188 (D.D.C. 2015) (noting that courts should not ‘abandon all common sense’ when considering injunctive relief).”

    That’s a rare case that Klayman “won”: The district court granted Klayman’s motion for an injunction, but the appellate court quickly stayed enforcing the injunction.

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    J.D. Sue July 15, 2017 at 7:28 pm  (Quote) #

    donna: Remember when we posted about the Russian connections?

    —-
    Oh yes, and the connections keep unfolding.

    My new hero is the late Sergei Magnitsky, a competent and dedicated attorney who had the courage even to endure physical torture rather than flip on his client and his cause. The Russians essentially tortured him to death, because he never caved under the pressure. Any lawyers worth their salt should think about this and feel humbled by Magnitsky’s courage and fortitude to do his job without compromising himself and his duty.

    Meanwhile, Attorney Natalia Veselnitskaya is making a career of besmirching the name and work of Magnitsky. She gets paid to try to get the Americans to strike the Magnitsky Act, so the people who got rich by robbing Magnitsky’s client and killing Magnitsky can launder that money in peace and without sanctions. Until then, Putin won’t let Americans adopt those white Russian babies they like so much.

    Sounds to me like the Russian government was offering white babies and dirt on HIllary, in exchange for Republicans dropping sanctions and letting that dirty blood money flow.

    After Tiffany does two years at Georgetown Law, I’d like to ask her this question:

    “Choose one. Who is the better and truer lawyer — Sergei Magnitsky or Natalia Veselnitskaya?”

    I have hope for Tiffany yet. We shall see. Her father treats her like crap and a pregnancy that shouldn’t have happened. Maybe she will turn into the complete bane of her father’s existence, i.e., a lawyer who pursues real justice. Maybe not. This choice will be hers.

    p.s. This article appeared in the National Review, one month before the Trump Jr.’s meeting. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434849/global-magnitsky-act-stalled-russian-propaganda

  46. avatar
    Rickey July 17, 2017 at 2:04 am  (Quote) #

    In Judy’s latest diatribe he fantasizes that corporate donors to the Obama library will have egg on their faces if he win his appeal.

    What he doesn’t realize is that even if he were to win his appeal, the only relief that the Court of Appeals could grant is to send the case back to the trial court, where he has yet to establish that the defendants were properly served.

    But of course his appeal is doomed because he doesn’t have a clue. About anything.

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    Notorial Dissent July 17, 2017 at 3:43 am  (Quote) #

    More to the point, his appeal is/was doomed, since 1) it is over a matter that is already far too long dead and buried, 2)it isn’t really an appeal to start with, 3)it was all word salad and totally incomprehensible, and 4) like all his previous efforts he didn’t actually appeal anything having to do with any of his previous total gibberish filings, so double DOA.

    The Appeals court would first have to be able to make some semblance of sense out of his word salad in order to even be able to guess at what he was going on about, and I think that is more than they will be able to do. So they will ultimately reject it for gibberish content.

    I can’t remember now, did he ever pay the filing fee or did he finally get IFP?

    Convicted felon and serial liar Judy is now moving in to the realm of the delusional on top of being largely incomprehensible.

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    Northland10 July 17, 2017 at 7:13 am  (Quote) #

    Notorial Dissent: I can’t remember now, did he ever pay the filing fee or did he finally get IFP?

    The Appeals Court, anticipating your question, provided an answer.

    07/14/2017 [10482840] Order filed by Judges Briscoe, Hartz and Bacharach denying Appellant’s motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis filed by Mr. Cody Robert Judy. Appellant must pay the filing and docketing fees to the Clerk of the District Court. If Appellant fails to make timely payment, the Clerk shall dismiss the appeal for failure to prosecute. See 10th Cir. R. 3.3(B)(1), 42.1. Fee is due by 08/03/2017 for Cody Robert Judy. Served on 07/14/2017. [17-4055] [Entered: 07/14/2017 04:08 PM]

    “Cody Robert Judy appeals the district court’s denial of his motion for relief from
    judgment and a later motion for reconsideration. Because Mr. Judy’s appeal is frivolous, we deny his motion to proceed in forma pauperis and decline to consider the issue further unless and until Mr. Judy pays the required fees.”

    The full 3 page order:

    https://www.scribd.com/document/353968517/CRJ-Appeal-Order

  49. avatar
    Reality Check July 17, 2017 at 9:07 am  (Quote) #

    I am doing a series on the Post & Email at the RC Radio blog:

    The Post & Email–Fake news site and Birtherism’s last bastion–Part 1

    I am sure Judy will play a part eventually.

  50. avatar
    bob July 17, 2017 at 11:18 am  (Quote) #

    Ex-Con Judy’s expected whine (on Facebook).

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    Andrew F Vrba, PmG July 17, 2017 at 11:48 am  (Quote) #

    bob:
    Ex-Con Judy’s expected whine (on Facebook).

    And him being Judy, I fully expect him to put gathering funds for that, over trying to find a new place to live.

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    gorefan July 17, 2017 at 12:03 pm  (Quote) #

    bob:
    Ex-Con Judy’s expected whine (on Facebook).

    I get a “Sorry, this content isn’t available right now”

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    Rickey July 17, 2017 at 12:24 pm  (Quote) #

    Notorial Dissent:
    More to the point, his appeal is/was doomed, since 1) it is over a matter that is already far too long dead and buried, 2)it isn’t really an appeal to start with, 3)it was all word salad and totally incomprehensible, and 4) like all his previous efforts he didn’t actually appeal anything having to do with any of his previous total gibberish filings, so double DOA.

    As he was told multiple times, none of his appeals addressed the primary reason his case was dismissed in the first place, namely the failure to state a claim for which relief could be granted. He framed his lawsuit as a tort and he was asking for monetary damages, which he wouldn’t have been entitled to even if his factual claims happened to be true.

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    Rickey July 17, 2017 at 12:33 pm  (Quote) #

    gorefan: I get a “Sorry, this content isn’t available right now”

    He wrote the same whine that we’ve heard before:

    “TENTH CIRCUIT APPEALS DECISION on Judy v. Obama Check it out: In some ways it means Justice is only for sale. Proving my income was below the Federal Poverty level, and continuing to order fees paid in the face of so much lawful evidence suggest this.Further, the District Court ruled in the affirmative for my Motion for IFP. The suggestion by the Court reflects justice might be “For Sale” and certainly amplifies the poor are discriminated against in the Court.”

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    Reality Check July 17, 2017 at 12:43 pm  (Quote) #

    You are probably blocked like I am. On Firefox just right click on the link and select open in private window.

    Judy quickly blocks anyone who tries to educate him about his frivolous case. Rickey posted the text above. Judy just doesn’t get it that an IFP application is not approved merely based on need. One has to have a serious case too. The district court probably granted his IFP based on expediency then quickly tossed his frivolous motion to reopen the case.

    Of course Judy might actually understand all this and is just lying.

    gorefan: I get a “Sorry, this content isn’t available right now”

  56. avatar
    Rickey July 17, 2017 at 3:31 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    You are probably blocked like I am. On Firefox just right click on the link and select open in private window.

    Judy quickly blocks anyone who tries to educate him about his frivolous case. Rickey posted the text above. Judy just doesn’t get it that an IFP application is not approved merely based on need. One has to have a serious case too. The district court probably granted his IFP based on expediency then quickly tossed his frivolous motion to reopen the case.

    Of course Judy might actually understand all this and is just lying.

    I had a brief exchange with him on Facebook. I pointed out that he was denied IFP status because his appeal was deemed to be frivolous, not because of his financial condition. Then he wanted to know why they gave him a deadline to pay $400. So I told him that they are giving him a choice – he can pay the $400 and have his appeal denied because it is frivolous, or he can refuse to pay and have it denied for failure to prosecute. Either way he loses, of course.

    Then he blocked me.

  57. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 17, 2017 at 3:32 pm  (Quote) #

    He preemptively blocked me some time ago. I feel special.
    Rather than continue with this windmill chasing, he should work towards finding a new place to live. But that’s what a sane person would do. Unless his “friend with a couch” is uber sympathetic to his cause, he should get cracking on apartment hunting, because I don’t see anyone who isn’t just as nuts as he is, putting up with him for very long.

    And did anyone else so the abhorrent way Ann Coulter reacted to Delta making her switch seats?
    http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/17/news/companies/delta-ann-coulter-response/index.html

    She publicly tried to shame the person they gave her seat too. That doesn’t shock me. What shocks me is that Ann Coulter travels via non-supernatural methods. I always assumed that she just emerged from the nearest pile of carrion.

  58. avatar
    Rickey July 17, 2017 at 3:35 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    I am doing a series on the Post & Email at the RC Radio blog:

    The Post & Email–Fake news site and Birtherism’s last bastion–Part 1

    I am sure Judy will play a part eventually.

    I e-mailed some info on Bugnolo (“John Charlton”) to you.

  59. avatar
    bob July 17, 2017 at 3:49 pm  (Quote) #

    Rickey:

    Then he blocked me.

    Join the club!

    There’s also Ex-con Judy’s Cody Robert Judy for President 2016 account; he doesn’t seem to block there as often.

  60. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 17, 2017 at 4:02 pm  (Quote) #

    Is the “quote” button broken for anyone else?

  61. avatar
    bob July 17, 2017 at 5:23 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    I am doing a series on the Post & Email at the RC Radio blog:

    The Post & Email–Fake news site and Birtherism’s last bastion–Part 1

    I am sure Judy will play a part eventually.

    The inevitable P&E article about ex-con Judy’s latest fail.

  62. avatar
    Rickey July 17, 2017 at 5:38 pm  (Quote) #

    Rondeau has picked up on Judy’s loss. (Bob beat me to it, I see!)

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2017/07/17/appellate-court-says-obama-eligibilityforgery-plaintiff-must-now-pay-court-fees-proceed/

    I posted the following comment, which probably won’t make it through moderation:
    .
    The fact that the District Court granted IFP status is irrelevant. Rule 24 (a)(3)(A), Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure, applies to appellants who were granted IFP status by the District Court:

    Rule 24. Proceeding in Forma Pauperis
    (a)(3) Prior Approval. A party who was permitted to proceed in forma pauperis
    in the district-court action, or who was determined to be financially unable to
    obtain an adequate defense in a criminal case, may proceed on appeal in forma
    pauperis without further authorization, unless:
    (A) the district court – before or after the notice of appeal is filed –
    certifies that the appeal is not taken in good faith or finds that the party is
    not otherwise entitled to proceed in forma pauperis and states in writing its
    reasons for the certification or finding.

    Judy’s appeal was found to be frivolous in part because he never addressed the reasons why his lawsuit was dismissed in the first place.

  63. avatar
    Rickey July 17, 2017 at 9:26 pm  (Quote) #

    Judy is now trying to sell a couch for $400 so he can then throw the money away by paying the filing fee. He also is asking for donations.

  64. avatar
    bob July 17, 2017 at 9:54 pm  (Quote) #

    And, unsurprisingly, Jeffrey Harrison says he is sending ex-con Judy some money.

    Ex-con Judy now has some convoluted excuse that it was the district court’s fault for letting him file the motion for reconsideration without him also filing a new IFP application.

  65. avatar
    Notorial Dissent July 17, 2017 at 11:05 pm  (Quote) #

    I wasn’t aware they let him do anything, I was under the impression he just did it, and if he did it wrong, then that is on him, not them, except Judy excuses and whining. So now he’s going to pony up the $400, maybe, so that his garbage can be officially tossed, good self sanction for him.

    bob:
    And, unsurprisingly, Jeffrey Harrison says he is sending ex-con Judy some money.

    Ex-con Judy now has some convoluted excuse that it was the district court’s fault for letting him file the motion for reconsideration without him also filing a new IFP application.

  66. avatar
    Northland10 July 18, 2017 at 8:14 am  (Quote) #

    bob:
    And, unsurprisingly, Jeffrey Harrison says he is sending ex-con Judy some money.

    Ex-con Judy now has some convoluted excuse that it was the district court’s fault for letting him file the motion for reconsideration without him also filing a new IFP application.

    If he wants to self-sanction himself, who am I to stop him but I will try to help Cody nonetheless.

    Cody, I know you still read here. It is quite clear from the order. If you pay the filing fee, they will dismiss the case as frivolous.

    Despite what “evidence” you claim to have, your case is asking for something the court cannot give. This was explained to you and you ignored it. They have warned you that if you pay the filing fee, your case will be dismissed. Now may be a good time to listen to what they are saying.

  67. avatar
    Reality Check July 18, 2017 at 8:15 am  (Quote) #

    The Tenth Circuit couldn’t have made in plainer to Judy than if they had used bold 32 point type and said ‘Your appeal is frivolous! Don’t waste your money!”.

    Of course Judy and the idiots like Harrison completely missed the message.

  68. avatar
    bob July 18, 2017 at 11:33 am  (Quote) #

    If ex-con Judy doesn’t pay, the 10th will dismiss for failure to prosecute, and he’ll be able to complain to SCOTUS about the 10th saying he was not entitled to IFP status due his appeal being frivolous.

    If, however, ex-con Judy does pay, the 10th will affirm the district court’s denials, and he’ll be able to complain about the 10th’s inevitable ruling that his appeal was frivolous.

    Ex-con Judy’s a predictable creature: he’ll not pay and take the failure-to-prosecute dismissal (while pocketing any donations he may have received). His inevitable SCOTUS petition will imagine a war on the poor. Once that is denied, he’ll again play the martyr.

    Provided ex-con Judy’s neighbor’s couch is still open to him.

  69. avatar
    Crustacean July 18, 2017 at 1:07 pm  (Quote) #

    Andrew Vrba, PmG: What shocks me is that Ann Coulter travels via non-supernatural methods. I always assumed that she just emerged from the nearest pile of carrion.

    LOL!!!
    She did not intend to be on that aircraft. There was a glitch in her Supernatural Transport System, whereby her destination was mistakenly redirected to “the nearest pile of carry-on.”

  70. avatar
    Rickey July 18, 2017 at 4:25 pm  (Quote) #

    Northland10: If he wants to self-sanction himself, who am I to stop him but I will try to help Cody nonetheless.

    Cody, I know you still read here.It is quite clear from the order. If you pay the filing fee, they will dismiss the case as frivolous.

    Despite what “evidence” you claim to have, your case is asking for something the court cannot give.This was explained to you and you ignored it.They have warned you that if you pay the filing fee, your case will be dismissed.Now may be a good time to listen to what they are saying.

    That’s good advice, which guarantees that CRJ will not accept it.

  71. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG. July 18, 2017 at 4:26 pm  (Quote) #

    Crustacean: There was a glitch in her Supernatural Transport System, whereby her destination was mistakenly redirected to “the nearest pile of carry-on.”

    You have successfully one-upped me, sir. Brava.

  72. avatar
    Northland10 July 19, 2017 at 7:12 am  (Quote) #

    Rickey: That’s good advice, which guarantees that CRJ will not accept it.

    And according to his latest P&E comment, he either did not read my comment or he did not heed the advice.

    http://thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=897651#p897651

    …I will comment the Order is a little confusing …

    No, it is is not. The appeal is frivolous. If you pay the filing fee, it will be dismissed. If you do not, it will be dismissed for want of prosecution. No matter what he does, the result is the same.

    He is also confused as to where you pay your fee and what it would be.

  73. avatar
    bob July 19, 2017 at 9:08 am  (Quote) #

    Northland10: No matter what he does, the result is the same.

    So ex-con Judy can either waste his time and money now to secure the filing fee, which will at best buy him a few months before the inevitable dismissal comes. Or ex-con Judy could pocket the few donations that he might receive and try to find a new place to live, as he’ll still have until early November to file his ego-compulsed waste of a cert. petition.

    If it were me, I’d be looking for a place to live now, while the weather’s still nice.

  74. avatar
    Reality Check July 19, 2017 at 2:23 pm  (Quote) #

    Yes, but you carry the burden of the capability rational thought. Judy isn’t so encumbered.

    Judy, Robert Laity, and Jeffrey Harrison have deposited a lifetime supply of stupidity in the comments at the P&E.

    bob: If it were me, I’d be looking for a place to live now, while the weather’s still nice.

  75. avatar
    bob July 20, 2017 at 12:00 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check: Judy, Robert Laity, and Jeffrey Harrison have deposited a lifetime supply of stupidity in the comments at the P&E.

    You may add trader jack to that list of illustrious P&E commenters:

    Well, I don’t know whether you will win or not, but a small contribution is made to make Dr.Conspiracy mad, I showed him that the birth certificate were no bound in binders , but where in post binders and could not be lain down for photographing and that meant the curvature on the birth certificate was fake, Have fun with this stuff.

    By the way he also deleted all the evidenceI presented to him. Must be good to be a strong Democrat.

    trader jack’s encouraging ex-con Judy’s frivolity may very well make Doc C. mad, but not for the reasons that trader jack envisions: trader jack is encouraging an unstable person to make poor choices, and for the most venal of reasons.

  76. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG. July 20, 2017 at 12:34 pm  (Quote) #

    Well, like all birthers traitor jack is bitter, and extra salty, that they lost a war that was over before it began. They’re hoping for a cavalry, to ride in and save the day. But said cavalry is an ex-“investigator” with no ties to any law enforcement agency, a doddering old fool awaiting his fate in court, who also has no ties to any law enforcement agency, and a mouthy so-called “pastor”, who I’m honestly surprised God hasn’t struck dead at the pulpit.

  77. avatar
    Rickey July 20, 2017 at 1:00 pm  (Quote) #

    The stupidity at P&E is mind-blowing. Someone called “Indy Hoopster” believes that Federal judges have to answer to the Attorney General.

    Judy says that he needs to raise $305 to pay the $505 filing fee. Somehow he has scraped together $200.

  78. avatar
    bob July 20, 2017 at 1:19 pm  (Quote) #

    Rickey:
    Judy says that he needs to raise $305 to pay the $505 filing fee. Somehow he has scraped together $200.

    A month of plasma “donations” (read: sales). And ex-con Judy is no longer burdened by having to pay rent.

  79. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG. July 20, 2017 at 1:53 pm  (Quote) #

    Rickey: The stupidity at P&E is mind-blowing

    Well it has become the new BR, so the bar was set pretty freaking high as far as pants-crappingly stupid goes.

  80. avatar
    Rickey July 20, 2017 at 7:13 pm  (Quote) #

    This comment, astonishingly, made it through moderation at P&E:

    It’s obvious that the people commenting here don’t understand why Judy’s lawsuit was dismissed and why it has been found to be frivolous. The dismissal has NOTHING to do with Obama’s birth certificate.

    Judy filed a civil lawsuit asking for money damages under 42 U.S.C. § 1983, the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, and the Clayton Act. In 2014 District Court Judge Stewart ruled “After carefully reviewing Plaintiff’s Complaint, the Court finds that Plaintiff’s suit is frivolous. Plaintiff’s claims lack an arguable basis in law or fact…” In other words, Judge Stewart was saying that Judy failed to state a claim which is legally recognized under the statutes he cited in his lawsuit. Judy appealed and the Court of Appeals affirmed Judge Stewarts’s ruling, stating:

    “Judy cites no basis in law for his claim that he is entitled to damages under § 1983, the Sherman Act, or the Clayton Act. Even taking all his allegations as true and construing them in the light most favorable to his case, we see nothing even suggesting that he would ever be entitled to any sort of relief for President Obama’s (and the other Defendants’) supposed wrongdoing. Judy cannot point to a single case that construes any of these statutes in a way supporting his claims for relief. Next, because we see no scenario where he would be entitled to relief under § 1983, the Sherman Act, or the Clayton Act, we also agree with the district court that his complaint was frivolous.”

    In order to prevail on appeal, Judy has to convince the Court that he is entitled to damages under § 1983, the Sherman Act, or the Clayton Act. But his appeal doesn’t even try to do that. Instead he just introduced more material about the birth certificate. But under the Federal Rules you can’t even get to the facts of your case until you have established that you have a legal claim for relief. Judy didn’t do that the first time he appealed this lawsuit, he didn’t do it when he appealed to the Supreme Court, and he hasn’t done it in this appeal.

    Finally, he was denied In Forma Pauperis status because the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure specify that IFP motions must be denied in cases which have been ruled to be frivolous. Judy’s lawsuit has been ruled to be frivolous by both the District Court and the Court of Appeals, so he isn’t entitled to IFP status this time around.

  81. avatar
    bob July 20, 2017 at 8:01 pm  (Quote) #

    Bravo! A windfall from the P&E’s ever-capricious commenting “policy.”

    But you made a mistake:

    Rickey:
    Judy’s lawsuit has been ruled to be frivolous by both the District Court and the Court of Appeals, so he isn’t entitled to IFP status this time around.

    Sure, the district and circuit courts both said ex-con Judy’s appeal was frivolous. But ex-con Judy and two P&E commenters disagree, so, clearly, it isn’t. /sarcasm

  82. avatar
    Rickey July 20, 2017 at 8:46 pm  (Quote) #

    bob:
    Bravo!A windfall from the P&E’s ever-capricious commenting “policy.”

    But you made a mistake:

    Sure, the district and circuit courts both said ex-con Judy’s appeal was frivolous.But ex-con Judy and two P&E commenters disagree, so, clearly, it isn’t./sarcasm

    Ha!

    i tried to word it so it didn’t come across as pro-Obama or even anti-Judy.

    Maybe it will discourage a few of Judy’s supporters from throwing good money after bad, but that probably gives them too much credit for rational thought.

  83. avatar
    Pete July 20, 2017 at 10:59 pm  (Quote) #

    Trader jack seems strangely silent on my questioning as to whether he murdered Georgette Bauerdorf and Elizabeth Short.

    I don’t understand why jack doesn’t just produce the proof of his innocence that will conclusively lay to rest all of the considerable evidence against him, and just clear this all up once and for all.

    I mean, I just want to be able to clear trader jack of any wrongdoing as it relates to these horrible crimes.

    But he seems unwilling or unable to provide any evidence to clear his name.

    Very concerning.

  84. avatar
    bob July 21, 2017 at 12:56 am  (Quote) #

    Over at P&E, ex-con Judy asks:

    Obots have been reduced to an obscure open-thread somewhere on a tiny island and seem most desperate to make of my life some kind of a Reality Show. For the life- of -me I can’t figure out “Why?” if it’s just a “waste” and they are “secure” in their claims and facts?

    Oh, the irony: ex-con Judy leaves this comment in the tiny island of the P&E’s comment section.

    “Obots” (whatever that means) aren’t reduced to anything: Obama completed two terms, is credited with a successful and popular presidency, and content knowing that no birther suit got past the sniggering stage.

    Ex-con Judy lives his life like it is a reality show, and then he wonders why the audience snickers at his every pratfall? Birthers like ex-con Judy believe both that distracers mean they are correct and silence means they are correct; there is simply no pleasing the unpleasable.

    I always consider the source and motives behind such frothing excitement over saving everyone they don’t care about or know

    Ex-con Judy deserves every misery he inflicts upon himself. But his child doesn’t. If ex-con Judy enjoys the periodic visits with his son, he’ll need housing more secure than the neighbor’s couch.

  85. avatar
    Rickey July 21, 2017 at 1:07 am  (Quote) #

    bob:

    “Obots” (whatever that means) aren’t reduced to anything: Obama completed two terms, is credited with a successful and popular presidency, and content knowing that no birther suit got past the sniggering stage.

    Obama approval rating: 61%
    Trump approval rating: 36%
    Judy approval rating: 99.9% never heard of him

  86. avatar
    Andrew Vrba, PmG July 21, 2017 at 2:22 am  (Quote) #

    Judy is throwing an awful lot of shade, for a crazy homeless guy crashing on someone’s couch.

  87. avatar
    Reality Check July 21, 2017 at 8:20 am  (Quote) #

    Except that is completely false. the Fogbow is alive and well and has an active topic on Judy. My blog is still running even though I don’t think I have been fascinated enough to write an article on Judy.

    We have always been secure on our facts from the beginning.

    BTW did anyone ever have a doubt that Judy reads every comment here?

    it is the Birthers who have been reduced to whining at one “obscure” blog run by Rondeau.

    Judy wrote:

    bob: Obots have been reduced to an obscure open-thread somewhere on a tiny island and seem most desperate to make of my life some kind of a Reality Show. For the life- of -me I can’t figure out “Why?” if it’s just a “waste” and they are “secure” in their claims and facts?

  88. avatar
    Reality Check July 21, 2017 at 8:57 am  (Quote) #

    Most of you probably know this but I found the comments RSS feed link to be really handy for following the Open Thread comments here. I have it on my Firefox bookmarks toolbar. I can easily check to see if a new comment has been posted. The link is under “Feeds” on the right.

  89. avatar
    Crustacean July 21, 2017 at 1:15 pm  (Quote) #

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch, while everyone was distracted by Russian prostitute pee jokes, our failed mail-order meat salesman-in-chief tried to slip a BIRTHER past the goalie. Despite the best efforts of the goalie (played in the clip below by Sen. Al Franken), the puck has hit the back of the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals’ net.

    By the way, the WND “reporter” that Franken mentions, in reference to one of John K. Bush’s cray-cray blog posts, is none other than the infamous Jerome Corsi.

    I hope the sexual predator occupying our White House tries to fire Mueller, and I hope he does it soon, because that’s when the long knives come out. It’s time to find out who the *real* patriots are.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuniHfgw5RI

  90. avatar
    bob July 21, 2017 at 2:53 pm  (Quote) #

    Over at the P&E, ex-con Judy wrote:

    Don’t really like arguing the Facts in a forum that has no teeth. It seems a waste of my time.

    Which was followed by ex-con Judy arguing … just not arguing the facts (as he defines them). In response Rickey’s to reply thereto, ex-con Judy then argued … the absence of facts.

  91. avatar
    bob July 21, 2017 at 5:32 pm  (Quote) #

    Ex-con Judy claiming he paid the filing fee.

    In a few months, ex-con Judy can expect the appellate court to affirm the denial of his motion for relief from judgment (and denial of reconsideration thereto). If ex-con Judy is very lucky, the 10th Cir. will — again — label his case frivolous.

    Another fine self-sanction.

  92. avatar
    Rickey July 22, 2017 at 3:51 am  (Quote) #

    @Bob

    As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.

    The District Court did rule that “Plaintiff’s factual allegations border on the irrational and wholly incredible. Moreover, the suit could not survive a motion to dismiss because Plaintiff’s claims rest on conclusory statements rather than factual allegations that plausibly state a claim for relief.” But the Court of Appeals ruled that even if Judy’s factual allegations were true, he still wouldn’t be entitled to relief.

    So what does Judy do? He re-litigates his factual allegations, of course.

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