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The additional open thread: Birthers behaving badly edition

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  1. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 21, 2017 at 8:03 am  (Quote) #

    “Family values” state senator and Trump campaign coordinator to plead guilty to child sex trafficking. He was a birther.

    http://www.newsweek.com/republican-sex-trafficking-child-trump-coordinator-716348

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    Dr. Conspiracy November 21, 2017 at 1:47 pm  (Quote) #

    According to information received, the ohforgoodnesssake.com domain has been acquired by Lucas Smith. Somehow the new owner got possession of the WordPress installation of that site, so new articles have the same format as old ones, but the content supports the Smith fake birth certificate and some other bad stuff.

    I have removed all links to this domain from the blog articles, replacing them by references to the Wayback Machine when possible. Many remain in comments.

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    bob November 21, 2017 at 10:10 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy: According to information received, the ohforgoodnesssake.com domain has been acquired by Lucas Smith.

    I would guess Smith obtained the password to the owner’s wordpress account, and then changed it to lock out the rightful owner.

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    Keith November 22, 2017 at 1:43 am  (Quote) #

    File under “News of the Weird”…

    Senator Skye Kakoschke-Moore Reveals She Is A Dual British Citizen
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2017/11/21/senator-sky-kakoschke-moore-reveals-she-is-a-dual-british-citizen_a_23284899/?12345&utm_hp_ref=au-homepage

    Australia is still under the thrall of foreign law with regards to who is eligible to sit in the Australian Parliament.

    The Australian Constitution says

    “44. Any person who –

    (i.) Is under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or citizen of a foreign power…

    shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives.”

    Australia is full of the people who came from, or are descendants of people who came from, the UK, Greece, Italy, Ireland, New Zealand, and others that proclaim citizenship by descent. Most don’t know that they are, in fact, dual citizens. Parliamentarians are madly scrambling to document their citizenship.

    Today, a minor party/independent Senator became the NINTH member of Parliament forced to resign because of dual citizenship and there may well be more to come. Invalid Senators get replaced by whoever ran second to them in the general, while invalid Reps have to have a by-election (and can stand again if they have successfully renounced).

    Most of the ‘invalid’ members have been Senators and most have been from the Government coalition or minor parties. No Labor (‘official’ opposition) members have been popped (so far) – apparently the Labor party has a rigorous per-selection process that includes these checks. The whole schnozzle was started by two Greens Party Senators who discovered their dual citizenship and went public in order to do the right thing.

    The Government is down to a 1 vote majority in the House of Representatives and has had to cancel this weeks sitting in fear that the opposition might get up to some ‘mischief’.

    The Government is going to fall pretty soon, and we’ll have an election probably. I’m calling February or early March.

    What is really needed is an amendment to fix the issue of being controlled by foreign law, but there is no political will for that since they just spent $122 million on a whole of nation poll to find out what they already knew about Australia’s attitude to gay marriage (the YES vote got %62) when they could have gotten exactly the same info from every pollster in the country for almost nothing.

    Sigh.

    At least we don’t have Trump down here, but if we do go to the polls anytime soon we just might get the next worse thing: Tony Abbot.

  5. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 22, 2017 at 4:46 pm  (Quote) #

    Recent large-sample study correlating belief in conspiracies with other personal factors:

    1618 people (weighted 26.7%) endorsed the conspiracy belief item. These individuals were more likely to be: male; currently unmarried; less educated; in a lower income household; outside the labour force; from an ethnic minority group; not attending religious services; taking a weapon outside; and perceiving themselves as of lower social standing compared to others. Individuals endorsing the conspiracy belief item had lower levels of physical and psychological well-being, higher levels of suicidal ideation, weaker social networks, less secure attachment style, difficult childhood family experiences, and were more likely to meet criteria for a psychiatric disorder. There were no differences between those who endorsed conspiracy beliefs and those who did not in age, importance of religious beliefs in daily life, body mass index, or in having a gun at home.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5423964/

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    Dr. Conspiracy November 22, 2017 at 5:10 pm  (Quote) #

    The domain had expired.

    bob: I would guess Smith obtained the password to the owner’s wordpress account, and then changed it to lock out the rightful owner.

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    bob November 23, 2017 at 12:06 pm  (Quote) #

    Brian Reilly (purportedly) comments at the P&E:

    On January 11, 2013, I attended Judge Moore’s oath of office ceremony in Montgomery, Alabama. After Judge Moore was sworn in, I had the opportunity to meet Judge Moore and I had a brief discussion with him. When I mentioned my part in the MCSO, Obama birth certificate investigation, Judge Moore quickly asked me not to discuss anything regarding the Obama birth certificate because he did not want to be put into a position where he would be required to recuse himself, if and when a pending Obama birth certificate case appeared before the Alabama Supreme Court. I was impressed with Judge Moore’s professionalism and his ethical standard regarding hearing cases brought before the court. However, I have no idea what happened 40 years ago, but I will say that every Judge Moore signature that I have viewed was always signed “Roy S. Moore” and that includes the letter that I received signed by Judge Moore. The alleged 1977, Roy Moore signature in the high school yearbook is missing Moore’s middle initial “S.” It would appear that as time goes by, the allegations against Judge Moore are beginning to falter and they are looking more like a poorly crafted political smear campaign. Judge Moore continues vigorously to deny the allegations. I expect that the voters of Alabama will elect Judge Moore to the U.S. Senate.

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    Rickey November 24, 2017 at 12:36 pm  (Quote) #

    bob:
    Brian Reilly (purportedly) comments at the P&E:

    I have the yearbooks for each of my four years in high school, and no one, including teachers, ever included their middle initials in their signatures.

    And I don’t know what Reilly (if the comments are really his) is referring to when he claims that “the allegations against Judge Moore are beginning to falter.”

    Also, this story at a Fox affiliate raises questions about whether Reilly was even there. It says that the swearing-in ceremony was “invitation only” yet Reilly had never met Moore before. So how did he get an invitation?

    http://www.kptv.com/story/217119/roy-moore-sworn-in-as-states-new-chief-justice

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    Dr. Conspiracy November 24, 2017 at 7:46 pm  (Quote) #

    Brian Reilly sent me a copy of the invitation and photos of the event. Now I am not a forensic invitation examiner, but it looks good to me.

    Rickey: Also, this story at a Fox affiliate raises questions about whether Reilly was even there. It says that the swearing-in ceremony was “invitation only” yet Reilly had never met Moore before. So how did he get an invitation?

  10. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 25, 2017 at 1:21 pm  (Quote) #

    Jeff Flake’s son suing Arpaio for false arrest in that animal cruelty case.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-24/sheriff-arpaio-pursued-case-to-hurt-sen-flake-lawsuit-says

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    Curious George November 25, 2017 at 6:21 pm  (Quote) #

    Remember, Arpaio doesn’t understand probable cause as shown by his deposition in the Flake case. Add to that, Arpaio didn’t understand probable cause in the Melendres case. Watch the county officials come up with a quick settlement offer on this. The taxpayers get screwed again.

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    Reality Check November 26, 2017 at 11:45 am  (Quote) #

    Good to see Mr. Reilly has the time to put on a defense of the pedophile Roy Moore for the idiots at the Post & Email.

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    Curious George November 26, 2017 at 12:48 pm  (Quote) #

    Nancy Pelosi: John Conyers deserves “due process” article dated November 26, 2017.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/nancy-pelosi-john-conyers-deserves-due-process-n823991

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    bob November 26, 2017 at 1:51 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    Good to see Mr. Reilly has the time to put on a defense of the pedophile Roy Moore for the idiots at the Post & Email.

    I’m curious: In 2013, was Reilly impressed by Moore’s “professionalism and his ethical standard” for being removed from the bench in 2003 for disobeying a federal judge’s order? Were Reilly’s “impressions” later changed by Moore’s being suspended from the bench in 2016 for ignoring a U.S. Supreme Court case that he didn’t personally like?

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    Reality Check November 26, 2017 at 5:27 pm  (Quote) #

    Good question.

    I suspect that what really impressed Mr. Reilly were Roy Moore’s political and religious views. If you already support one sexual predator (Trump) what’s the big deal about supporting someone who lurked around malls so much he was banned and used his position of authority to go after underage girls?

    bob: I’m curious: In 2013, was Reilly impressed by Moore’s “professionalism and his ethical standard” for being removed from the bench in 2003 for disobeying a federal judge’s order?

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    Rickey November 26, 2017 at 6:35 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Brian Reilly sent me a copy of the invitation and photos of the event. Now I am not a forensic invitation examiner, but it looks good to me.

    Yes, but why would he have been invited if he had never met Moore before? His name isn’t on the invitation – was it actually sent to Arpaio? Reilly answered that he got the invitation, but he didn’t answer HOW he got the invitation. What connection did Moore have with the MCSO, other than the birther issue?

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    Reality Check November 27, 2017 at 11:23 am  (Quote) #

    Moore’s swearing in ceremony was over six months after Reilly left the Posse. It wouldn’t fit Reilly’s narrative of his departure that he would be representing Arpaio there. Why would Reilly want to talk to Moore about the investigation since he had supposedly concluded by this time that it was a sham? Was that what he was going to tell Moore?

    Rickey: Yes, but why would he have been invited if he had never met Moore before? His name isn’t on the invitation – was it actually sent to Arpaio? Reilly answered that he got the invitation, but he didn’t answer HOW he got the invitation. What connection did Moore have with the MCSO, other than the birther issue?

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    Sef November 27, 2017 at 1:25 pm  (Quote) #

    Some sad news on TFB. SueDB who posted both there and here has succumbed to his cancer. RIP.

    http://thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1951&sid=af27ea5dd25dfeae02798ba096d34b7c&start=4025#p935349

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    j.d. sue November 27, 2017 at 2:11 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check: Good to see Mr. Reilly has the time to put on a defense of the pedophile Roy Moore for the idiots at the Post & Email.

    —-

    I’m not interested in anything Mr. Reilly has to say until he addresses the problem of foreign influence in the White House…

    And I think it’s really something that he finds it so professionally impressive that a Judge wouldn’t discuss a potential case. That’s kinda like being so impressed at the professionalism of a car mechanic just because he works on your car without stealing your hubcaps. A pretty low bar.

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    Rickey November 28, 2017 at 12:28 am  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    Moore’s swearing in ceremony was over six months after Reilly left the Posse. It wouldn’t fit Reilly’s narrative of his departure that he would be representing Arpaio there.Why would Reilly want to talk to Moore about the investigation since he had supposedly concluded by this time that it was a sham? Was that what he was going to tell Moore?

    Good questions. In addition, there remain questions about the evidence that he attended the swearing-in ceremony.

    1. The invitation does not show the invitee’s name.

    2. The two photographs of the ceremony that Reilly sent to Doc were taken from the rotunda’s balcony and could have been taken by anyone.

    3. He did not provide a photo of himself meeting Moore.

    4. He took a photo of Moore’s signature from the letter that accompanied the invitation, but we don’t know who the letter was addressed to.

    5. Why would someone from Arizona travel more than 1600 miles to attend the swearing-in of a judge in Alabama, a state with which he has no apparent connection?

    How does Reilly feel about the fact that Moore admittedly first saw his future wife at a teenage dance recital when she was 15 or 16 and he was 30 years old? What 30-year-old man does that, unless his own daughter or niece is one of the dancers?

  21. avatar
    Arthur B. November 28, 2017 at 5:09 pm  (Quote) #
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    Pete November 28, 2017 at 7:28 pm  (Quote) #

    Where are all the birthers now screaming about foreign influence in the White House?

    I mean, given that the foreign influence isn’t just Britain or France, or even Kenya, but is actually from one of our worst global enemies, you would think the birthers would be all over this.

    Wasn’t the supposed danger of foreign influence on our Presidency their big deal?

    I mean, it was so hazardous that we couldn’t even have a President whose father, whom he hardly even ever knew for his entire life, had been a citizen of Kenya.

    Major national security threat, that. Kenya.

    It was so d*mn hazardous that because Ted Cruz had been born to US citizens, just across the border on the territory of our friendly neighbor Canada, by God, he was Constitutionally ineligible to be President.

    That’s how dangerous the slightest possibility of that foreign influence was.

    So when Russia runs ads that were seen by up to 126 million Americans, designed to swing our Presidential election to one candidate, and when the candidate they backed won by a narrow margin – actually losing the popular vote by almost 2.9 million votes – and when the campaign manager of that winning candidate has received and laundered $18 million from the Russians, you would think those patriotic birthers would be all over this.

    Where the hell are they?

    SURELY it wasn’t just that they would do anything they possibly could to drive a President out of the White House just because they didn’t like him, and he happened to be our first black President????

  23. avatar
    donna November 28, 2017 at 11:55 pm  (Quote) #

    From today’s NYT:

    In recent months, they say, Mr. Trump has used closed-door conversations to question the authenticity of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate.

    One senator who listened as the president revived his doubts about Mr. Obama’s birth certificate chuckled on Tuesday as he recalled the conversation. The president, he said, has had a hard time letting go of his claim that Mr. Obama was not born in the United States.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/28/us/politics/trump-access-hollywood-tape.html?&hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

    In my opinion, Ivanka and Jared remain in the White House so that they will be there when the men in white coats with a straight jacket arrive.

    FYI, from Politifact: Lie of the Year 2017: Readers’ Choice poll

    My pick:

    “This Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.”

    — Donald Trump on May 11, 2017, in an interview with NBC News

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/nov/27/lie-year-2017-readers-choice-poll/

    According to WAPO, as of November 14th, Trump has made 1,628 false or misleading claims over 298 days

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/11/14/president-trump-has-made-1628-false-or-misleading-claims-over-298-days/?utm_term=.38657a8f845f

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    donna November 29, 2017 at 12:37 am  (Quote) #

    Pete: Where are all the birthers now screaming about foreign influence in the White House?

    List of Trump campaign Russia contacts continues to grow

    Rachel Maddow presents an ongoing tally of the Russians who are reported to have had contact with various members of the Donald Trump campaign ahead of the election, a list that is still growing as new interactions come to light.

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/list-of-trump-campaign-russia-contacts-continues-to-grow-1105642563953

    18 according to Rachel’s count.

    Tis the season for treason.

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    j.d. sue November 29, 2017 at 1:25 pm  (Quote) #

    Interesting article in the Guardian. The gist:

    “[B]y February 2018, the US administration must submit a detailed report to Congress containing ‘the identification of the most significant oligarchs’ in Russia, their relationship to Putin, evidence of any corruption, estimated net worth and sources of income. Anyone fitting the criteria could be subjected to personal sanctions, such as asset freezes and travel bans.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/28/us-sanctions-bill-timebomb-donald-trump-vladimir-putin

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    j.d. sue November 29, 2017 at 1:32 pm  (Quote) #

    Pete: Where are all the birthers now screaming about foreign influence in the White House?

    I think they have “discovered” that Putin is a great leader who should be appeased, unlike Obama…..

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    donna November 29, 2017 at 2:53 pm  (Quote) #

    Sue, thanks for the Guardian link. I have plenty advice for those “former spouses”.

    “Some law firms have reportedly advised oligarchs to divorce their wives and register all their assets in the names of their former spouses as a way of keeping them safe.”

  28. avatar
    Nancy Ruth Owens, Obama's Forger November 29, 2017 at 7:14 pm  (Quote) #

    I have contacted @hillsboroughcounty for DNA test. I am the real “Monica Lewinsky.” Will she go down with the @BillClinton ? I think so. #NancyRuthOwens #PablosWhiteRabbit

    j.d. sue: —

    I think they have “discovered” that Putin is a great leader who should be appeased, unlike Obama…..

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    Reality Check November 29, 2017 at 7:56 pm  (Quote) #

    I am reminded of all these Birther jackasses like Sarge, Chalice, Ramboike, Cody Judy, Sharon Rondeau, Andrea Shea King, Robert Laity, Mario Apuzzo, Chuckles Kerchner, Orly Taitz, Hermitian, Rudy Davis, David Manning, Terry Lakin, and many others who wailed about Obama being a foreign agent while they happily support the equivalent of a Russian coup. These people are so stupid one wonders how they can get out of bed in the morning. (Hermitian no longer has to worry about getting up).

    donna: Pete: Where are all the birthers now screaming about foreign influence in the White House?

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    Curious George November 30, 2017 at 12:30 am  (Quote) #

    It would seem that we have Russian intrigue impacting both sides of the aisle. The Russians are equal opportunity employers and care not whether they associate with Republicans or Democrats.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

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    Pete November 30, 2017 at 1:30 am  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    I am reminded of all these Birther jackasses like Sarge, Chalice, Ramboike, Cody Judy, Sharon Rondeau, Andrea Shea King, Robert Laity, Mario Apuzzo, Chuckles Kerchner, Orly Taitz, Hermitian, Rudy Davis, David Manning, Terry Lakin,and many others who wailed about Obama being a foreign agent while they happily support the equivalent of a Russian coup. These people are so stupid one wonders how they can get out of bed in the morning. (Hermitian no longer has to worry about getting up).

    These self-proclaimed “patriots” are f****** traitors.

    And if I’m not careful, I may give you my REAL opinion.

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    Reality Check November 30, 2017 at 9:26 am  (Quote) #

    BS. Why dredge up a 2015 article to try to make a false equivalency? Are you saying the Russians didn’t care who won the 2015 election and didn’t actively work on behalf of Donald Trump?

    Curious George:
    It would seem that we have Russian intrigue impacting both sides of the aisle.The Russians are equal opportunity employers and care not whether they associate with Republicans or Democrats.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

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    Pete November 30, 2017 at 12:58 pm  (Quote) #

    Birtherism was always about a few things.

    Gullibility and wishful thinking on the part of many.

    Utter stupidity on the part of some.

    Disingenuous, false, lying politics on the part of some.

    Racism on the part of more than a few.

    Selfish attention seeking and outright fraud on the part of at least a few.

    Words can hardly express my contempt for these slimy excuses for… something.

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    Reality Check November 30, 2017 at 1:58 pm  (Quote) #

    Well stated and accurate. It would be interesting to place Birthers into those categories. Of course more than one apply in most cases.

    Pete: Birtherism was always about a few things.

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    Curious George November 30, 2017 at 3:15 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    BS. Why dredge up a 2015 article to try to make a false equivalency? Are you saying the Russians didn’t care who won the 2015 election and didn’t actively work on behalf of Donald Trump?

    I think you meant the 2016 election. I believe the Russians will work to support anyone, Democrat, Republican or Independent as long as the support furthers Putin’s agenda. The New York Times article from 2015 was excellent.

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    Reality Check November 30, 2017 at 5:41 pm  (Quote) #

    Yes I meant 2016. You are completely off base. Hillary Clinton. would have been Putin’s worst nightmare if elected. Trump keeps his knee-pads handy. The uranium story is a big nothing.

    Curious George: I think you meant the 2016 election.

  37. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy November 30, 2017 at 6:16 pm  (Quote) #

    “So the [Las] Vegas [mass shooting] is as phony as a three dollar bill or as Obama’s birth certificate.”

    — Alex Jones

    http://www.ibtimes.com/alex-jones-suggests-las-vegas-mass-shooting-was-fake-2620411

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    Charo November 30, 2017 at 8:09 pm  (Quote) #

    People did not vote for Trump because the Russians told them to. The problem with Democrats is that they have vilified candidates to the point of desensitization. What happened when Romney said that Russia was the greatest geopolitical foe? Pilloried. Oh, times have changed. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/31/opinions/obama-romney-russia-opinion-drucker/index.html The Democrats also lied about about Romney killing a woman due to lack of healthcare. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/09/priorities-usa-action/pro-obama-group-blames-romney-womans-death/ Voters are not only desensitized but tired of Republicans bending over. Hence Trump. He is fooling everyone again. He is stacking the courts and deregulating while stories abound about early dementia and accomplishing nothing. He will win a a second term unless another charismatic Obama bursts on the scene. Right now, such a candidate does not exist. Hillary lost for multiple reasons, one for screwing over Bernie and not winning back enough of his supporters.

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    Reality Check November 30, 2017 at 11:02 pm  (Quote) #

    Bullshit.

    Charo:
    People did not vote for Trump because the Russians told them to. The problem with Democrats is that they have vilified candidates to the point of desensitization. What happened when Romney said that Russia was the greatest geopolitical foe? Pilloried. Oh, times have changed. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/31/opinions/obama-romney-russia-opinion-drucker/index.html The Democrats also lied about about Romney killing a woman due to lack of healthcare. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/09/priorities-usa-action/pro-obama-group-blames-romney-womans-death/ Voters are not only desensitized but tired of Republicans bending over. Hence Trump. He is fooling everyone again. He is stacking the courts and deregulating while stories abound about early dementia and accomplishing nothing. He will win a a second term unless another charismatic Obama bursts on the scene. Right now, such a candidate does not exist. Hillary lost for multiple reasons, one for screwing over Bernie and not winning back enough of his supporters.

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    donna December 1, 2017 at 10:08 am  (Quote) #

    Charo:”Hillary lost for multiple reasons” …….

    INCLUDING Comey and the Russians

    Today, Flynn will plead guilty to lying to the FBI.

    Sally Yates was right when she said “To state the obvious: You don’t want your national security adviser compromised with the Russians.”

    Obama warned Trump about Flynn during their Oval Office meeting on November 10, 9 days after Trump was elected president. So Obama was right too.

    Buy, hey, Trump hires the “best people”.

    “This man [Flynn] has served for many years, he’s a general, he’s a — in my opinion — a very good person,” Trump told NBC.

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    gorefan December 1, 2017 at 10:38 am  (Quote) #

    Zullo to be on Gallup’s show today at 5:00 Eastern Time.

    New info to be revealed.

    WAG, new congressmen on board, into new phase of investigation, unnamed people in the DOJ are investigating. This is not over yada, yada, yada. Same old drill.

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    Curious George December 1, 2017 at 10:59 am  (Quote) #

    Charo. “Hillary lost for multiple reasons, one for screwing over Bernie and not winning back enough of his supporters.”

    She also stumbled over her own arrogance and she underestimated the sour mood of the electorate. She believed the media personalities who continued to assure her of a tremendous win in November 2016, right up until election night. The talking heads were so wrong. The polls were so wrong. She didn’t see her coming defeat. She was blindsided.

    Bernie supporters really got the shaft. The Russians would have loved Hillary as #45.

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    Curious George December 1, 2017 at 11:04 am  (Quote) #

    gorefan:
    Zullo to be on Gallup’s show today at 5:00 Eastern Time.

    New info to be revealed.

    WAG, new congressmen on board, into new phase of investigation, unnamed people in the DOJ are investigating. This is not over yada, yada, yada.Same old drill.

    Look for the release of a new book that covers all of the new information. But, the new information will cost you. The grift must go on.

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    Rickey December 1, 2017 at 2:28 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George:The New York Times article from 2015 was excellent.

    Actually it had quite a few holes in it.

    First of all, it is vague about when the contributions to the Clinton Foundation were made. In fact, as Poltifact has documented, the vast majority of the contributions were made between 2005 and 2007, and almost all were made before Hillary became Secretary of State. And the largest donor, Frank Giustra, was no longer an owner of Uranium One, having sold his stake in 2007.

    The Times article also overstates the significance of the uranium that Uranium One obtained. In fact the Uranium One holdings in the U.S. amounts to only about 11% of domestic production, and none of it can be exported.

    And Hillary Clinton did not have the power to either approve or reject the sale. In addition to other departments in the Obama Administration, the deal had to be okayed by the independent Nuclear Regulatory Commission as well as Utah’s nuclear regulator. Not a single agency objected to the sale. The Times story claims “Still, the ultimate authority to approve or reject the Russian acquisition rested with the cabinet officials on the foreign investment committee, including Mrs. Clinton.” But that isn’t true. Only President Obama had the authority to approve or reject the deal.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/30/donald-trump/donald-trump-inaccurately-suggests-clinton-got-pai/

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    Reality Check December 1, 2017 at 4:20 pm  (Quote) #

    So the Republicans didn’t demonize the Clintons for over 20 years? Where have you been hiding?

    Charo: People did not vote for Trump because the Russians told them to. The problem with Democrats is that they have vilified candidates to the point of desensitization. What happened when Romney said that Russia was the greatest geopolitical foe? Pilloried.

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    bob December 1, 2017 at 6:18 pm  (Quote) #

    Zullo’s “Freedom Friday” appearance was a lot of the usual rehash and innuendo. And some irrelevant digressions.

    Zullo said something demonstrably false: Zullo said that Abercrombie said that Obama’s long form birth certificate was actually in a warehouse. Abercrombie never said that.

    Zullo’s big reveal was that he has “evidence” that seven times the HDOH’s computers were breached (hacked), and the attacks all originated from the D.C./Virginia area. Zullo does not reveal the source of his “evidence,” but Zullo’s and Gallups’ winks all but scream it was … Dennis Montgomery.

    So Zullo’s working hypothesis is that, at some point, Obama’s Dark State (n.b. before Obama was even elected) hacked the HDOH and inserted fake data about Obama’s origins into the HDOH’s database. Which is why the COLB says what it says. But then the HDOH found the “real” long form and realized its data didn’t match, so the conspiracy to forge the long form was born.

  47. avatar
    bob December 1, 2017 at 7:23 pm  (Quote) #

    Reilly comments at P&E:

    Zullo indeed announced that they had scrapped the Cold Case Posse evidence developed for the two earlier press conferences, this after a review of the Cold Case Posse documentation by Maricopa County Prosecuting Attorney William Montgomery who classified the Cold Case Posse evidence as “speculation” in 2012, and he refused to act or turn the “evidence” over to the Maricopa Grand Jury.
    The Hawaii Verification of Birth for Obama, issued, in lieu of the long form birth certificate, on May 22, 2012, to the Arizona Secretary of State, Ken Bennett, resulted in President Obama being placed on the 2012 Arizona election ballot. The Verification of Birth authenticated all of the birth particulars provided by the PDF posted and displayed on The White House website.

    One thing that we learned early in the birth certificate investigation was that there is no federal law which specifies that a presidential candidate must provide a certified copy of his or her birth certificate to establish U.S. citizenship. The vetting process is left to the respective political parties to determine the qualifications that are needed to run as a presidential candidate. So under the law, it is irrelevant when, how, where or whether President Obama presented his birth certificate particulars, because in 2008 and 2012, it was not a requirement of federal law for President Obama to provide any birth certificate. The so called forensic investigation written reports about the PDF copy of the Obama birth certificate by Reed Hayes in Hawaii and ForLabs have never been released to the public for review. The reports, however, are irrelevant, again because there is / was no federal law that requires a valid birth certificate to run for President of the United States.

    As far as the claims made on Freedom Friday today, that the state of Hawaii Department of Health computers had been breached by sinister forces in Washington D.C., Mr. Zullo failed to mention the source he utilized to gain the alleged information. We can only assume that Mr. Zullo got his information from the same discredited source that was revealed in the federal Melendres v. Arpaio civil contempt hearings in 2015. Arpaio, under oath, classified the information provided by this source as “junk.”

    Bottom line, Freedom Friday was a huge nothing burger today.

  48. avatar
    Charo December 1, 2017 at 7:46 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George:
    Charo. “Hillary lost for multiple reasons, one for screwing over Bernie and not winning back enough of his supporters.”

    She also stumbled over her own arrogance and she underestimated the sour mood of the electorate.She believed the media personalities who continued to assure her of a tremendous win in November 2016, right up until election night.The talking heads were so wrong.The polls were so wrong. She didn’t see her coming defeat.She was blindsided.

    Bernie supporters really got the shaft.The Russians would have loved Hillary as #45.

    Totally agree.

  49. avatar
    j.d. sue December 1, 2017 at 9:45 pm  (Quote) #

    Rickey: Actually it had quite a few holes in it.

    —–

    Nice summary. And that’s a lot more than “a few holes.” I seem to remember the NYT was absolutely brutal and unreliable in its reporting on Clinton leading up to the election season.

  50. avatar
    j.d. sue December 1, 2017 at 10:09 pm  (Quote) #

    donna: Today, Flynn will plead guilty to lying to the FBI.

    —-

    Hey Donna. In case you haven’t seen it, here is Flynn’s Statement of the Offense filed in the D.C. District Court today. Interesting reading.

    https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download

  51. avatar
    Rickey December 2, 2017 at 1:05 am  (Quote) #

    Charo:
    The problem with Democrats is that they have vilified candidates to the point of desensitization.

    You do realize, I hope, that this blog would not exist but for Republicans vilifying Barack Obama. Have you forgotten that he was accused of being a gay Marxist Communist Fascist Socialist Muslim African witch doctor? That his wife was accused of being transgendered? Trump has gotten off easy compared to what Obama had to endure.

    Hillary lost for multiple reasons, one for screwing over Bernie and not winning back enough of his supporters.

    Hillary received 3.8 million more votes in Dem primaries and caucuses than Bernie. I have to chuckle at the crocodile tears of Republicans who would never, ever vote for Bernie Sanders but are so offended by how he was treated. And what a shock that the Democrats preferred that their candidate actually be a Democrat.

  52. avatar
    Rickey December 2, 2017 at 1:07 am  (Quote) #

    j.d. sue: —–

    Nice summary.And that’s a lot more than “a few holes.

    Thank you. I’ve been told that I’m a master of understatement.

    And you’re correct, the NY Times has never been a fan of the Clintons.

  53. avatar
    Rickey December 2, 2017 at 1:30 am  (Quote) #

    Curious George:

    The polls were so wrong.

    Two things:

    1. The arc of the election changed on October 28 when Comey released his letter which gave everyone the impression that new evidence about Clinton’s emails had surfaced.

    2. The final national polls were nearly spot on, virtually all of them showing Clinton narrowly winning the popular vote. Where they got it wrong was in the state polls in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, where Trump carried those states by a grand total of 80,000 votes. The national polls didn’t poll individual states.

  54. avatar
    Charo December 2, 2017 at 8:17 am  (Quote) #

    Rickey: You do realize, I hope, that this blog would not exist but for Republicans vilifying Barack Obama. Have you forgotten that he was accused of being a gay Marxist Communist Fascist Socialist Muslim African witch doctor? That his wife was accused of being transgendered? Trump has gotten off easy compared to what Obama had to endure.

    Hillary received 3.8 million more votes in Dem primaries and caucuses than Bernie. I have to chuckle at the crocodile tears of Republicans who would never, ever vote for Bernie Sanders but are so offended by how he was treated. And what a shock that the Democrats preferred that their candidate actually be a Democrat.

    I don’t believe I ever saw a campaign ad depicting Obama as “being a gay Marxist Communist Fascist Socialist Muslim African witch doctor,” but I did see one depicting Romney as the reason for a woman’s death due to insurance issues. Hillary Clinton was a poor campaigner. She lost. The 3 million vote argument is intellectually dishonest because campaigns are not structured for the popular vote. The margin was slim, no doubt, but Trump was supposed to lose by a landslide. There was not a news channel not totally in shock on election night. As for Bernie, I am glad he lost, but he was screwed over. That played a part in why he did not get the nomination. Eighty thousand people were swayed by the Russians and Comey? In my opinion, no.

  55. avatar
    Charo December 2, 2017 at 8:32 am  (Quote) #

    Just in:

    Correction: During a live Special Report, ABC News reported that a confidant of Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn said Flynn was prepared to testify that then-candidate Donald Trump instructed him to contact Russian officials during the campaign. That source later clarified that during the campaign, Trump assigned Flynn and a small circle of other senior advisers to find ways to repair relations with Russia and other hot spots. It was shortly after the election, that President-elect Trump directed Flynn to contact Russian officials on topics that included working jointly against ISIS.

  56. avatar
    Rickey December 2, 2017 at 11:04 am  (Quote) #

    Charo: I don’t believe I ever saw a campaign ad depicting Obama as “being a gay Marxist Communist Fascist Socialist Muslim African witch doctor,” but I did see one depicting Romney as the reason for a woman’s death due to insurance issues.

    One ad by a PAC (not by the Obama campaign) does not constitute vilification of a candidate.

    The 3 million vote argument is intellectually dishonest because campaigns are not structured for the popular vote.

    How does that make it intellectually dishonest? The fact remains that more people voted for Clinton than Trump. More people voted for Gore than Bush. Conservatives are so touchy about that. And you so confidently state that 80,000 voters weren’t swayed by the Russians and Comey, yet Bernie lost by 3.8 million votes because he was screwed over?

  57. avatar
    Rickey December 2, 2017 at 11:13 am  (Quote) #

    Charo:
    Just in:

    Correction: During a live Special Report, ABC News reported that a confidant of Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn said Flynn was prepared to testify that then-candidate Donald Trump instructed him to contact Russian officials during the campaign. That source later clarified that during the campaign, Trump assigned Flynn and a small circle of other senior advisers to find ways to repair relations with Russia and other hot spots. It was shortly after the election, that President-elect Trump directed Flynn to contact Russian officials on topics that included working jointly against ISIS.

    A simple question: If Flynn’s contacts with the Russians were benign, why did he lie about them?

  58. avatar
    bob December 2, 2017 at 11:51 am  (Quote) #

    We can only assume that Mr. Zullo got his information from the same discredited source that was revealed in the federal Melendres v. Arpaio civil contempt hearings in 2015. Arpaio, under oath, classified the information provided by this source as “junk.”

    No assuming necessary: on an audio recording that was introduced into evidence for the Melendres hearing, Zullo tells Arpaio all about this “plot,” and that Montgomery was the source.

    Yesterday just rehashed old news.

  59. avatar
    donna December 2, 2017 at 1:33 pm  (Quote) #

    Sue, thanks for the Flynn plea deal link.

    As it is said, the better the deal, the bigger the fish.

    From Flynn’s “Defendant Statement”: “It does not include all of the facts known to me regarding this offense”

    Who are those senior members? Jared, Don Jr., Pence, Priebus, Sessions, OR the Big Fish?

    Today, Trump said “there is absolutely no collusion”. Did he expect the plea agreement to state that? What is Ty Cobb telling him? What Trump wants to hear?

    I’m reminded of a Don Jr. quote in Forbes: he (daddy) always told me: ‘Never trust anybody.’ Then he’d ask me if I trusted anybody. I’d say, ‘No.’ ‘Do you trust me?’ he’d ask. I’d say, ‘Yes.’ ”

    “And he’d say: ‘No! Don’t even trust me!’ ”

    The majority of Americans don’t trust the pathological liar either. And why should we?

    Donald J. Trump

    @realDonaldTrump
    I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!
    12:14 PM – Dec 2, 2017

    How did Trump know Flynn lied to the FBI when he fired Flynn?

    Will tax cuts for the rich and the addition of $1Trillion in debt remove the Trump stench from Republicans?

    Mnuchin said economic growth stimulated by the bill’s large tax cuts would offset lost revenue and indicated his department would produce an analysis proving it.

    Why has the Treasury’s Office of Tax Policy refused to release their analysis?

    The 15 companies that most profited from Bush’s repatriation plan cut almost 21,000 jobs between 2004 and 2007.

  60. avatar
    j.d. sue December 2, 2017 at 6:24 pm  (Quote) #

    Rickey: A simple question: If Flynn’s contacts with the Russians were benign, why did he lie about them?

    —-

    Oh that, the pesky “why” question. (obviously, not benign) I figure there is no quid pro quo unless both parties perform. The Russians performed (and Trump won the election), in exchange for release from sanctions. When Obama invoked additional sanctions for Putin’s interference in the election, the Trump transition team,via Flynn, sought to reassure Putin that Trump would perform his part of the quid pro quo. I figure Flynn didn’t want to talk about that to the FBI counterintelligence investigation.

    fwiw, I don’t believe that Pence was out of the loop.

    Trump’s problem now is that the legislative branch voted overwhelmingly (veto-proof numbers) to increase sanctions. And in February, Trump’s administration is statutorily required to name Russian names for more sanctions. And Putin is up for re-election in March. Not a pretty picture for Trump and Putin. Let’s see their next move….

  61. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 2, 2017 at 7:38 pm  (Quote) #

    And “why” is Flynn and his son not being prosecuted for several additional things that he could be prosecuted for. Sounds like a plea bargain to me.

    j.d. sue: Oh that, the pesky “why” question. (obviously, not benign) I figure there is no quid pro quo unless both parties perform.

  62. avatar
    donna December 2, 2017 at 11:47 pm  (Quote) #

    Doc: And “why” is Flynn and his son not being prosecuted for several additional things that he could be prosecuted for.

    The plea agreement is very limited and appears to only protect Flynn (and his son) from prosecution “for the conduct set forth in the attached Statement of Offense”.

  63. avatar
    j.d. sue December 3, 2017 at 6:54 am  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy: And “why” is Flynn and his son not being prosecuted for several additional things that he could be prosecuted for. Sounds like a plea bargain to me.

    Indeed. Mueller now has Flynn by the cojones.

  64. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 3, 2017 at 2:43 pm  (Quote) #

    I have a copy of correspondence signed by Roy Moore that mentions Brian Reilly by name.

    Now I’m getting a little offended that President Obama didn’t invite me to his second inauguration.

    Rickey: Yes, but why would he have been invited if he had never met Moore before? His name isn’t on the invitation – was it actually sent to Arpaio?

  65. avatar
    Charo December 3, 2017 at 4:50 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I have a copy of correspondence signed by Roy Moore that mentions Brian Reilly by name.

    Now I’m getting a little offended that President Obama didn’t invite me to his second inauguration.

    LOL So true, Doc. No one can deny the hours you spent for him on the birther issue.

  66. avatar
    Curious George December 3, 2017 at 7:02 pm  (Quote) #

    I think President Obama owes you and others on this board a big thank you for getting the facts out to the public regarding the Birther issue. Sharon Rondeau, Mike Zullo, Mike Volin, Carl Gallups, Mark Gillar and Miki Booth could have learned so much if only they had departed from their misguided agenda and reviewed your information as presented on your site with an open mind. Their loss.

  67. avatar
    gorefan December 3, 2017 at 11:22 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I have a copy of correspondence signed by Roy Moore that mentions Brian Reilly by name

    Is it sign Roy S Moore?

  68. avatar
    Rickey December 3, 2017 at 11:35 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I have a copy of correspondence signed by Roy Moore that mentions Brian Reilly by name.

    Which begs the question – why would Roy Moore invite Reilly to the swearing-in? What did they have in common, other than being birthers?

  69. avatar
    Reality Check December 4, 2017 at 3:28 pm  (Quote) #

    Not only hours but dollars.

    Charo: LOLSo true, Doc. No one can deny the hours you spent for him on the birther issue.

  70. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 5, 2017 at 1:43 pm  (Quote) #

    Alex Koppleman’s article, “Why the stories about Obama’s birth certificate will never die” was published 9 years ago today at Salon.com

    http://web.archive.org/web/20120531122947/http://www.salon.com/2008/12/05/birth_certificate/singleton/

  71. avatar
    Pete December 5, 2017 at 9:14 pm  (Quote) #

    The article’s fake!

    It says it was written in 2009, but at the bottom of the page it says Copyright 2012.

    How can it be Copyright 2012 if it was REALLY written in 2009? Hmmmm? HMMMMM?

    I call BS.

    😀

    (Since we’re running a bit low on birthers, I just wanted to spice things up a bit. 🙂 )

  72. avatar
    bob December 6, 2017 at 10:17 am  (Quote) #

    The New York Court of Appeals, on its own motion, dismissed Robert Laity’s challenge to Cruz’s, Rubio’s, and Jindal’s appearance on the 2016 primary ballot.

    Once Laity inevitably exhausts his last remaining recourse with the U.S. Supreme Court, there will be no pending eligibility cases. A state of being that hasn’t existed since August 2008.

  73. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater December 6, 2017 at 10:38 am  (Quote) #

    Rickey: How does Reilly feel about the fact that Moore admittedly first saw his future wife at a teenage dance recital when she was 15 or 16 and he was 30 years old? What 30-year-old man does that, unless his own daughter or niece is one of the dancers?

    Exactly. Of course he did those things he’s being accused of. Just look at the age difference between him and his wife and how they met. It falls perfectly in line that he was a character from Dazed and Confused and intentionally picked up high school girls and teenagers.

  74. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater December 6, 2017 at 10:42 am  (Quote) #

    Pete: Where are all the birthers now screaming about foreign influence in the White House?

    I mean, given that the foreign influence isn’t just Britain or France, or even Kenya, but is actually from one of our worst global enemies, you would think the birthers would be all over this.

    I always found it funny that birthers had claimed that Obama was a Russian plant in some of their theories but are completely silent on it when it comes to Trump.

  75. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater December 6, 2017 at 11:07 am  (Quote) #

    j.d. sue: —–

    Nice summary.And that’s a lot more than “a few holes.”I seem to remember the NYT was absolutely brutal and unreliable in its reporting on Clinton leading up to the election season.

    It was funny that no matter how many real scandals the trump campaign found itself in the media was always responding with “But her emails”

  76. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater December 6, 2017 at 11:08 am  (Quote) #

    Rickey: Hillary received 3.8 million more votes in Dem primaries and caucuses than Bernie. I have to chuckle at the crocodile tears of Republicans who would never, ever vote for Bernie Sanders but are so offended by how he was treated. And what a shock that the Democrats preferred that their candidate actually be a Democrat.

    It’s the same Republicans who were whining about hillary when she lost to Obama about how she was cheated.

  77. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater December 6, 2017 at 11:10 am  (Quote) #

    Rickey: 1. The arc of the election changed on October 28 when Comey released his letter which gave everyone the impression that new evidence about Clinton’s emails had surfaced.

    This was precisely the moment when things changed. If Comey didn’t release the letter I’m sure we’d be looking at President Clinton. She had the momentum coming out of the last debate. Trump lost the last two debates and the final one showed he was a child who couldn’t handle any criticism. He came off totally unhinged and Clinton had the momentum. The Comey letter killed it.

  78. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 6, 2017 at 12:23 pm  (Quote) #

    Victims of illegal detention by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office may now seek compensation from the County

    http://tucson.com/news/state-and-regional/latinos-illegally-detained-by-former-sheriff-joe-arpaio-can-seek/article_e5197496-d9f1-11e7-9807-e3fee7cf38ca.html

  79. avatar
    Rickey December 6, 2017 at 8:35 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:

    Now I’m getting a little offended that President Obama didn’t invite me to his second inauguration.

    Maybe he’ll mention you in his presidential memoir!

    I’m thinking that President Obama paid far less attention to the birthers than we did.

  80. avatar
    Curious George December 6, 2017 at 8:46 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: Exactly.Of course he did those things he’s being accused of.Just look at the age difference between him and his wife and how they met.It falls perfectly in line that he was a character from Dazed and Confused and intentionally picked up high school girls and teenagers.

    A 14 year difference between spouses is not all that unusual. They met in 1984 and married in 1985. Moore was 38 and his wife Kayla was 24. Some women marry older men. Some men marry younger women. In 1967 Moore’s future wife was 6 years old and Moore was 20 years old. It proves nothing. Moore and his wife Kayla have now been married for 32 years, and she still stands by Moore. The Alabama voters will decide Judge Moore’s future. The vote will not be based on the 14 year age spread between Moore and his wife Kayla.

  81. avatar
    Rickey December 6, 2017 at 8:50 pm  (Quote) #

    I discovered that Cody Judy had one more Obama-related fail in him. A year ago he petitioned the House of Representatives to impeach the president. Needless to say, his petition was ignored.

    https://www.scribd.com/document/331078472/U-S-House-Petition-to-Impeach-Constitutionally-Unqualified-Defacto-Pres#from_embed

  82. avatar
    Rickey December 6, 2017 at 9:04 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George: A 14 year difference between spouses is not all that unusual.They met in 1984 and married in 1985. Moore was 38 and his wife Kayla was 24.Some women marry older men. Some men marry younger women.In 1967 Moore’s future wife was 6 years old and Moore was 20 years old.It proves nothing. Moore and his wife Kayla have now been married for 32 years, and she still stands by Moore. The Alabama voters will decide Judge Moore’s future. The vote will not be based on the 14 year age spread between Moore and his wife Kayla.

    You’re missing the point. No one is suggesting that it is improper for a 38 year-old man to marry at 24 year-old woman. But Moore admitted that he first took notice of Kayla when he was 30 years old and he saw her at a dance recital for high school girls, when she was 15 or 16. What 30-year-old man goes to high school dance recitals, unless his daughter or niece is a participant?

    It fits the narrative that when Moore was in the late twenties and thirties he was only interested in teenage girls.

    Has any woman who not a teenager when Moore was 30 years old come forward to say that she dated him at that time?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/woman-shares-new-evidence-of-relationship-with-roy-moore-when-she-was-17/2017/12/04/0c3d1cde-d903-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?utm_term=.3b4a01a2ae00

  83. avatar
    donna December 7, 2017 at 4:46 am  (Quote) #

    Rickey:

    Re Kayla: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/court-records-suggest-roy-moore-dated-wife-while-she-was-still-married/article/2642679

    I am shocked. I had thought he dated “children” because of their purity. The Bible forbids coveting your neighbor’s wife.

  84. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater December 7, 2017 at 10:08 am  (Quote) #

    Curious George: A 14 year difference between spouses is not all that unusual.They met in 1984 and married in 1985. Moore was 38 and his wife Kayla was 24.Some women marry older men. Some men marry younger women.In 1967 Moore’s future wife was 6 years old and Moore was 20 years old.It proves nothing. Moore and his wife Kayla have now been married for 32 years, and she still stands by Moore. The Alabama voters will decide Judge Moore’s future. The vote will not be based on the 14 year age spread between Moore and his wife Kayla.

    It is when he said he met his wife originally when she was 16 at dance recital. That’s just odd.

  85. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater December 7, 2017 at 10:11 am  (Quote) #

    This was an interesting interview on Anderson Cooper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7E93Fe0-ow

    Roy Moore Spokeswoman is directly asked about things that Roy Moore has said in the past and asked if it’s something he still believes. As you can guess she avoids answering any direct questions and repeatedly refers to some super hero by the name of Abortion Jones. She is however asked if Moore still believes in the birther nonsense. To which she says she doesn’t know if he still believes Obama was not born in the US but she does know when she goes to check out books at the library she needs a driver’s license or birth certificate.

  86. avatar
    Curious George December 7, 2017 at 2:03 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: It is when he said he met his wife originally when she was 16 at dance recital.That’s just odd.

    According to CNN, Moore didn’t meet Kayla at her dance recital.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/politics/roy-moore-kayla-kisor-15-years-old/index.html

  87. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater December 7, 2017 at 3:26 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George: According to CNN, Moore didn’t meet Kayla at her dance recital.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/politics/roy-moore-kayla-kisor-15-years-old/index.html

    What? from the article: Alabama Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore, who has been accused of pursuing romantic relationships with teenagers while in his 30s, said he first noticed his future wife eight years before he formally met her — when she would have been as young as 15 years old.

    Moore was 38 when he married Kayla Kisor, who was 24.
    In a videotaped interview published July 30, he recalled when he saw then-Kisor at a dance recital.
    “When I was deputy district attorney, many years before we got married, I saw her at a dance recital and I was standing, oh, at the back of the auditorium and I saw her up front,” he recalled at the time. “I remember her name, it was Kayla Kisor. KK. But I remember that and I didn’t meet her there … it was, oh gosh, eight years later or something, I met her. And when she told me her name, I remembered.”

    They dated when she was 23 oh gosh eight years before would be 15.

  88. avatar
    donna December 7, 2017 at 3:38 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater:They dated when she was 23 oh gosh eight years before would be 15.

    Moore’s account of when he began dating his wife Kayla would place the start of their courtship before her divorce from her first husband, according to court documents.

  89. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater December 7, 2017 at 4:23 pm  (Quote) #

    donna: Moore’s account of when he began dating his wife Kayla would place the start of their courtship before her divorce from her first husband, according to court documents.

    Which leads to even more scandal. The court records and Moore’s writing place him as meeting Kayla again in 1984 and dating her in early 1985 before her divorce in April 1985. She then married Moore in December of 1985. She was born in 1961. 8 years earlier still puts her at around 16 when they first met.

  90. avatar
    Arthur B. December 7, 2017 at 5:00 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: She was born in 1961.8 years earlier still puts her at around 16 when they first met.

    As I read the CNN article (as posted by you, above), he is saying not that he met her eight years earlier, but rather that he spotted her from the back of the auditorium and she made such an impression on him that he remembered her name, or at least her initials, eight years later.

    I find it noteworthy that her appearance as a 15/16-year-old dancer registered so strongly with him. Still, I think it’s incorrect to say that he met her on that occasion.

  91. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater December 7, 2017 at 5:05 pm  (Quote) #

    Arthur B.: I find it noteworthy that her appearance as a 15/16-year-old dancer registered so strongly with him. Still, I think it’s incorrect to say that he met her on that occasion.

    But again why was a 30 something year old man at a dance recital for 15/16 year olds? It plays in line with the previous accusations against him.

  92. avatar
    Rickey December 7, 2017 at 10:17 pm  (Quote) #

    If we knew the date of the dance recital I could say how old Kayla was because I know her date of birth. I won’t publish it here because I believe that would violate Doc’s rules.I’ll just say that she is 56 years old and Moore is 70.

  93. avatar
    Charo December 8, 2017 at 10:52 am  (Quote) #

    Maybe your inquiry would be relevant if they weren’t still married. What is happening right now is insanity. I am not happy Al Franken was elected with the finding of a few hundred votes, but what is happening to him and others is wrong. May he pinched a few butts, maybe he didn’t. Maybe he forced a kiss, maybe he didn’t. He had a stupid picture snapped, but he never admitted to all of the other accusations. Expect allegations to soar in the workplace beyond Hollywood and Washington DC. I know that there are true victims of harassment and assault, and the wheels of justice turn slowly. However, this is a true witch hunt. There are mainly men who comment on the board here. Are you next? Your sons? Grandsons?

    Ms. Nelson admits she added the place and date to the yearbook. I would like to say more, but I will keep it to myself.

  94. avatar
    Arthur B. December 8, 2017 at 10:58 am  (Quote) #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater: But again why was a 30 something year old man at a dance recital for 15/16 year olds?It plays in line with the previous accusations against him.

    Yes, I am in full agreement with you on that. I’m just pointing out the apparent error in saying that she was “around 16 when they first met.” The story, to my way of thinking, reflects badly on Moore, and it deserves to be told accurately.

  95. avatar
    Charo December 8, 2017 at 11:28 am  (Quote) #

    I named the wrong accuser; it is Beverly Young.

  96. avatar
    Charo December 8, 2017 at 3:14 pm  (Quote) #

    https://twitter.com/j_wizzles/status/933394003306958858

    Wow, I never noticed the angle of the last name.

    During a press conference in Atlanta on Friday, Nelson and Allred stood by their claim that Moore himself inscribed a message in the yearbook. But Allred acknowledged the last part, including the date and location, was written by Nelson.

    “Beverly indicates she added that to remind herself of who Roy Moore was and where and when Mr. Moore signed her yearbook,” Allred said.

    Why add his last name in cursive?

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    Reality Check December 8, 2017 at 3:45 pm  (Quote) #

    If anything the adding of the note makes this seem more authentic to me. Why would anyone forge a note and signature in two different styles? She added the note because it was significant that a DA signed her year book. This also answers Brian Reilly’s question about why it wasn’t signed “Roy S. Moore”.

    Of course those supporting this pedophile are already in denial and it won’t matter. They will disgustingly vilify the victims.

  98. avatar
    Charo December 8, 2017 at 4:08 pm  (Quote) #

    Please use the correct terminology.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/pedophilia

    Pedophilia may be distinguished from hebephilia (sexual preference for individuals who typically are between ages 11 and 14) and ephebophilia (sexual preference for late-stage adolescents, typically ages 15 and 16).

    The handwriting expert was not conclusive but leaning towards one writer for the whole inscription.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/11/16/we-asked-a-handwriting-expert-to-evaluate-claims-that-roy-moores-writing-was-forged/?utm_term=.723a34d82e14

    The evidence of “cops” and information on Moore’s teen stalking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myBL_1ollCA Hear any contradictory information?

    “Beverly indicates she added that [what is “that”] to remind herself of who Roy Moore was [date and place not needed to show who he was; the reference has to be for the last name? ] and where and when Mr. Moore signed her yearbook,” Allred said.

    So, write the last name in cursive so that it looks as part of the original signature? Why do that? Maybe I don’t understand your point.

    Where is the consistent lifetime history after his marriage?

  99. avatar
    Charo December 8, 2017 at 4:21 pm  (Quote) #

    Beverly Young Nelson may well be a victim, but she may not be a victim of Roy Moore.
    I just read an interesting article that is relevant to the issue of ephebophilia.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2002-06-25/features/0206250014_1_charges-against-r-kelly-pedophilia-child-pornography-charges

    What is the conversation now? Here is what is was in 2002.

    “With the sexual revolution, there are more people today who look on teenagers or younger children as fair game,” said David Popenoe, co-director of the National Marriage Project at Rutgers University. “There has been some debate in psychological circles about lowering the age of consent to as young as 12, the onset of puberty — that these kids are the keepers of their own sexuality. But that hasn’t gotten very far in the public mind, let alone the law.”

    Popenoe and others say that it’s not a matter of blaming the victim, but recognizing that in some circles, teen-adult sex is viewed differently than pedophilia — assuming there is mutual consent involved.

    In 1990, the Netherlands passed a law permitting sex between adults and children ages 12 to 16; the child or child’s parents can bring charges if they believe the minor was coerced.

    And author Judith Levine argues that not all sex between adults and underage children is necessarily traumatic in her controversial new book “Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children From Sex.” “Teens often seek out sex with older people, and they do so for understandable reasons: an older person makes them feel sexy and grown up, protected and special,” she writes.

  100. avatar
    Reality Check December 8, 2017 at 5:40 pm  (Quote) #

    Putting aside Moore’s unhealthy interest in teenage girls whatever you wish to call it his record as a judge makes him unqualified to serve in the Senate. He is a Birther, homophobic, Creationist, and a racist. He was removed from the court for refusing to enforce the law and injecting his personal religious views into his rulings.

  101. avatar
    Charo December 8, 2017 at 9:53 pm  (Quote) #

    If you were an Alabama voter, your opinion on his record as a judge would be a better analysis for casting a vote than 40-year-old allegations that never publicly surfaced prior to now when Moore has been a public figure for decades.

  102. avatar
    Pete December 8, 2017 at 11:52 pm  (Quote) #

    Can I just say it?

    Roy Moore is a total creep with a history of unhealthy, predatory sexual interest in underage teenage girls.

    As far as I’m concerned, he’s a freakin’ pedophile. Having a sexual encounter with a 14 year old girl? When he’s 32?

    GMAFB.

  103. avatar
    Charo December 9, 2017 at 12:38 am  (Quote) #

    Pete:

    Can I just say it?

    Roy Moore is a total creep with a history of unhealthy, predatory sexual interest in underage teenage girls.

    As far as I’m concerned, he’s a freakin’ pedophile. Having a sexual encounter with a 14 year old girl? When he’s 32?

    GMAFB.

    You hate Roy Moore. I get that. A true “pedophile” (although pedophiles go for prepubsecent children) need treatment, or they cannot control their urges. Would you agree with that? Where is the pattern of pedophile behavior in the past 30+ years? An older man dating a teenager has a yuck factor. Why? An older man could manipulate a younger woman for sex [leaving aside Moore.] Yet, currently society pushes sex all the time. Elementary school kids are taught how to put on condoms.

    While I cannot and will not judge your character, it is actually the platform and not the person that it boils down to. “Hypocrite” both sides yell. You could have robots holding office, but it comes down to the platform. If a pro-life candidate turns out to have privately supported abortion (that did happen but I can’t remember who it was), does that change one’s opinion on abortion?

  104. avatar
    Rickey December 9, 2017 at 1:03 am  (Quote) #

    Charo: Yet, currently society pushes sex all the time. Elementary school kids are taught how to put on condoms.

    Yet, teen pregnancy rates have been reduced by more than 50% since 1990. Maybe teaching elementary school kids how to use condoms actually works. We know that keeping kids in ignorance doesn’t work.

    https://www.hhs.gov/ash/oah/adolescent-development/reproductive-health-and-teen-pregnancy/teen-pregnancy-and-childbearing/trends/index.html

  105. avatar
    Charo December 9, 2017 at 1:39 am  (Quote) #

    Rickey: Yet, teen pregnancy rates have been reduced by more than 50% since 1990. Maybe teaching elementary school kids how to use condoms actually works. We know that keeping kids in ignorance doesn’t work.

    https://www.hhs.gov/ash/oah/adolescent-development/reproductive-health-and-teen-pregnancy/teen-pregnancy-and-childbearing/trends/index.html

    Why can’t kids be kids for at least through elementary school? Okay, whatever.

  106. avatar
    Keith December 9, 2017 at 4:32 am  (Quote) #

    Charo: Please use the correct terminology.

    OK, does the term ‘Statutory Rape’ work better for you?

  107. avatar
    Curious George December 9, 2017 at 12:17 pm  (Quote) #

    Charo:
    If you were an Alabama voter, your opinion on his record as a judge would be a better analysis for casting a vote than 40-year-old allegations that never publicly surfaced prior to now when Moore has been a public figure for decades.

    An excellent observation.

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    Northland10 December 9, 2017 at 12:39 pm  (Quote) #

    Charo:
    If you were an Alabama voter, your opinion on his record as a judge would be a better analysis for casting a vote than 40-year-old allegations that never publicly surfaced prior to now when Moore has been a public figure for decades.

    I have not bothered to comment on this because there was little to add, but here is my thinking on Roy Moore.

    1. When you claim the high moral “Christian” ground, you get held to a higher standard. When you put yourself on a pedestal for all to see, you best be ready for people to find things in your history to knock you down. Someone once said the meek shall inherit the earth, not self-absorbed “Christian warrior.”

    2. When you cast yourself as the “righteous” and denounce others as evil, be ready for people to point out that you are having your own issues with coveting (and his obsession with younger girls in his earlier life does sound like coveting) and idolatry. He has for too long ignored the forest of logs in his own eye.

    3. Even if we were to not pay heed to his accusers, we are still left with things like his statement that things started going downhill in 1965 (i.e. the civil rights act), and basically saying things were better when there was slavery. You cannot be a Christian and yet so easily deny the dignity of every human being, created by God. Separate and not equal is an abomination.

    In my eyes, the one who claims to be a follower of Christ is actually pushing the work of the devil. He does not wish to build up but to tear apart. He wishes to demonize and destroy those who are different from him. His goal is to achieve not the promise land but his own power over others.

    Some will still want to vote for him because he pushes their one pet project, but “what good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?

  109. avatar
    Pete December 9, 2017 at 12:47 pm  (Quote) #

    Charo: While I cannot and will not judge your character,

    I can and will judge the character of someone who preys sexually on a 14-year-old girl when he’s 32 years old.

    Such a person shouldn’t be elected to a position of public trust, no matter what their politics.

    And I don’t think very highly of people who support such people, either.

  110. avatar
    bob December 9, 2017 at 1:35 pm  (Quote) #

    scott e. shows up in the P&E comments section, drops insults.

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    Curious George December 9, 2017 at 2:30 pm  (Quote) #

    Pete: I can and will judge the character of someone who preys sexually on a 14-year-old girl when he’s 32 years old.

    Such a person shouldn’t be elected to a position of public trust, no matter what their politics.

    And I don’t think very highly of people who support such people, either.

    It’s fascinating how prevalent the lynch mob mentality is in 2017. Questionable accusations from 40 years ago, released prior to an important special election, do not constitute proof that the event actually occurred. But, because of the timing, it certainly does smack of dirty politics intended to manipulate Alabama voters and the outcome of an election. Are the Russians also behind this scheme? Will there soon be a report about Roy Moore and Golden Showers? And who actually signed the yearbook? Gloria said it was “Ray” then she corrected herself and said it was “Roy.” Just say’n.

  112. avatar
    Rickey December 9, 2017 at 6:13 pm  (Quote) #

    Charo: Why can’t kids be kids for at least through elementary school? Okay, whatever.

    Because kids have been known to become sexually active while in elementary school, or shortly thereafter. They need to know what the consequences are and how to protect themselves.

    I can’t think of a single subject where ignorance is preferable to knowledge.

  113. avatar
    Rickey December 9, 2017 at 6:17 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George: An excellent observation.

    Except that in any state other than Alabama a judge who was twice kicked off the Supreme Court for refusing to comply with Federal and Supreme Court rulings would never have a chance to be elected to the Senate.

  114. avatar
    Curious George December 9, 2017 at 6:52 pm  (Quote) #

    Rickey: Except that in any state other than Alabama a judge who was twice kicked off the Supreme Court for refusing to comply with Federal and Supreme Court rulings would never have a chance to be elected to the Senate.

    Alabama is firmly situated in the Bible belt. There are some pretty strong religious convictions held by the people of Alabama. Among those strongly held beliefs is that there is a higher authority than government. Ultimately, Moore is seen as being a hero for standing up for his religious convictions. It is because of this view by many in Alabama that Roy Moore will probably win the election for the U.S. Senate. Obviously, Judge Moore was held accountable for standing by his religious convictions. Yes, many would suggest that it was wrong for Moore to defy the government. I’m recognizing the evidence that his defiance has led to the political reality that he has widespread support from the Alabama Christian community.

  115. avatar
    j.d. sue December 9, 2017 at 10:09 pm  (Quote) #

    Charo: The handwriting expert was not conclusive but leaning towards one writer for the whole inscription.

    ____

    It seemed pretty obvious to me, but then maybe that handwriting expert was never a young girl. She got his sweet note and autograph, and she carefully wrote the time and place so she could always remember it. Another woman had a sweet note from him too, and she added her thoughts to it to memorialize the moment. That’s how young teenage girls roll, and it’s why they can be so vulnerable and devastated when a selfish old man just turns on them.

  116. avatar
    Pete December 9, 2017 at 10:14 pm  (Quote) #

    Curious George: It’s fascinating how prevalent the lynch mob mentality is in 2017.

    Says the guy who spent literally years pushing bullshit false allegations against the President of the United States simply because he was black, and you didn’t like his politics.

    Now making the case that we shouldn’t rush to judgment regarding a guy who has multiple credible witnesses who all say he was big time into teenage girls.

    Go * yourself.

  117. avatar
    redneck December 10, 2017 at 2:55 am  (Quote) #

    This board seems to be populated with people who believe that only females or males are sexually attracted by other people?

    Which of you males have never seen a brothel, or been is a brothel

    Which of you males are not pleased to see a young person dancing or skating on ice and admired that grace and beauty?

    Which of you males had the girly books hidden under you mattress so you could lust after the pictures?

    Which of you males do not know that some religions approves of what you so detest.

    I have been married to my wife for about 70 years and still enjoy the beauty of the young.And yes I am 8 years older than her.

    So you moralists must be enjoying your expressions of purity and honesty.

  118. avatar
    Dave B. December 10, 2017 at 3:14 am  (Quote) #
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    Dr. Conspiracy December 10, 2017 at 6:15 am  (Quote) #

    gorefan: Is it sign Roy S Moore?

    Yes.

  120. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 10, 2017 at 6:24 am  (Quote) #

    Of course Judge Moore was removed from office twice for his judicial activities, so that’s not much of a defense of him. He also injected a gratuitous birther reference in one Alabama Supreme Court decision.

    The problem with Roy Moore’s penchant for underage girls is not just because it’s illegal. At the time Moore was a prosecutor, an agent of government. What he did was not only immoral, but in reckless disregard for the law that he was sworn to uphold. So in addition to being immoral, he was corrupt.

    The main reason Moore has a chance in Alabama is that Alabamians want justices on the Supreme Court that will restrict abortions. The other reason, according to one analysis, is that a significant number of men in Alabama like the idea of pursuing young girls–it’s a cultural thing.

    Charo: If you were an Alabama voter, your opinion on his record as a judge would be a better analysis for casting a vote than 40-year-old allegations that never publicly surfaced prior to now when Moore has been a public figure for decades.

  121. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 10, 2017 at 6:28 am  (Quote) #

    And I don’t know because my copy of the letter has the addressee covered; however, the letter explicitly talks about Moore meeting Reilly at the Investiture.

    Rickey: He took a photo of Moore’s signature from the letter that accompanied the invitation, but we don’t know who the letter was addressed to.

  122. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 10, 2017 at 6:40 am  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy raises hand.

    redneck: Which of you males have never seen a brothel, or been [in] a brothel

    The question here is not who is attracted to whom, Trader Jack, but who has sex with someone who cannot legally consent to it.

    OK, a 19 year old guy has a relationship with a 17 year old girl. I don’t have a problem with that. Teens date and things get heavy. But Moore was banned from the Gadsden Mall because of his creepy behavior towards young girls. He was a government prosecutor. That’s out of control behavior.

  123. avatar
    Northland10 December 10, 2017 at 7:06 am  (Quote) #

    redneck:
    Which of you males have never seen a brothel, or been is a brothel

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Dr. Conspiracy raises hand.

    As does Northland10.

  124. avatar
    donna December 10, 2017 at 8:31 am  (Quote) #

    Who was the “friend” that gave Moore that gavel he mentioned in his book? Is it the woman Moore now says he never met and never knew?

    Roy Moore says that “a friend” gave him a gavel in 1992.

    Debbie Wesson Gibson says that she gave Roy Moore a gavel in 1992.

    Roy Moore first admitted that he dated Debbie Gibson, but now he has never met her and does not know her.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/woman-shares-new-evidence-of-relationship-with-roy-moore-when-she-was-17/2017/12/04/0c3d1cde-d903-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?utm_term=.29150300e436

  125. avatar
    Reality Check December 10, 2017 at 10:09 am  (Quote) #

    Roy Moore seems to have disappeared from the campaign trail. Stengard Friegen at the Fogbow has figured out where he is:

    Roy is probably at a mall. Or a high school.

    You know; campaigning. 14 year olds can vote can’t they?

  126. avatar
    Arthur B. December 10, 2017 at 11:01 am  (Quote) #

    Northland10: redneck:
    Which of you males have never seen a brothel, or been is a brothel

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Dr. Conspiracy raises hand.

    As does Northland10.

    And Arthur B.

  127. avatar
    j.d. sue December 10, 2017 at 11:51 am  (Quote) #

    redneck: So you moralists must be enjoying your expressions of purity and honesty.

    That sure is an ironic statement. It’s Roy Moore et al who bloviate about their purported moral and religious superiority, and the rest of us be damned.

  128. avatar
    Pete December 10, 2017 at 2:51 pm  (Quote) #

    Northland10: As does Northland10.

    Probably just about everyone here, myself included, could raise that hand.

    The interesting thing is someone who asks the question as if whoring is simply a normal and expected behavior.

  129. avatar
    Rickey December 10, 2017 at 3:47 pm  (Quote) #

    redneck:

    Which of you males have never seen a brothel, or been is a brothel

    I have never engaged the services of a prostitute, even though they were readily available when I was in the Navy. Apparently you can’t say the same.

    Which of you males are not pleased to see a young person dancing or skating on ice and admired that grace and beauty?

    Which of us, at the age of 30, were in the habit of attending dance recitals for teenage girls? I’m guessing that the answer is none.

    Which of you males do not know that some religions approves of what you so detest.

    Some religions approve of female genital mutilation. Does that mean that we should be okay with it?

    I have been married to my wife for about 70 years and still enjoy the beauty of the young.And yes I am 8 years older than her.

    No one here has suggested that marrying a younger woman is, ipso facto, objectionable. However, in Moore’s case his marriage to a woman 14 years his junior tend to reinforce the claims that when he was in his late twenties and thirties he was obsessed with dating high school teenagers.

  130. avatar
    Rickey December 10, 2017 at 3:50 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    And I don’t know because my copy of the letter has the addressee covered; however, the letter explicitly talks about Moore meeting Reilly at the Investiture.

    Reilly chooses not to explain how he came to be invited to the swearing-in ceremony, which leads me to believe that he is hiding something.

    We know that he visits here so he could easily clear this up.

  131. avatar
    redneck December 10, 2017 at 3:58 pm  (Quote) #

    j.d. sue: —

    That sure is an ironic statement.It’s Roy Moore et al who bloviate about their purported moral and religious superiority, and the rest of us be damned.

    you will never see a statement from me claiming moral superiority or religious superiority, as I am old enough to have seen and done most everything except dying and I will experience that soon enough.

    Have some consideration for the facts that there are always two sides to every story and it is difficult to know which is correct.

    You want to call someone a pedophile do it to his, or her , face and be prepared to defend yourself from legal actions, or illegal actions. It is easy to hide on a blog and make spurious comments where there is no fear of consequences.

  132. avatar
    redneck December 10, 2017 at 6:10 pm  (Quote) #

    Some religions approve of female genital mutilation. Does that mean that we should be okay with it?

    IF A RELIGION REQUIRES IT IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM, IT IS THE ADHERENTS TO THE BELIEVERS THAT HAVE THE PROBLEM

    No one here has suggested that marrying a younger woman is, ipso facto, objectionable. However, in Moore’s case his marriage to a woman 14 years his junior tend to reinforce the claims that when he was in his late twenties and thirties he was obsessed with dating high school teenagers.

    A CLAIM SHOULD BE TESTED IN COURT BEFORE NON PARTICIPANTS USE IT AS EVIDENCE.

    ……..

  133. avatar
    Keith December 10, 2017 at 8:13 pm  (Quote) #

    redneck: This board seems to be populated with people who believe that only females or males are sexually attracted by other people?

    This appears to be word salad – are you implying that ‘something’ other than females or males are sexually attracted by other people? Is it a glancing reference to transgender and or intersex people?

    Which of you males have never seen a brothel, or been is a brothel

    I have seen brothels, I have toured a brothel on open day. Brothels are legal and quite legitimate businesses in many places, you know. In Australia, there is at least one brothel that trades on the stock exchange.

    I have never availed myself of their services.

    What does that have to do with statutory rape?

    Which of you males are not pleased to see a young person dancing or skating on ice and admired that grace and beauty?

    I am a greatly admire female athletes and I think they really get much less attention than they should. In Australia, the Women’s Australian Football League is taking off and good on ’em I say. I enjoy looking at beautiful things, and a fit athletic body, male or female, is beautiful. Because I am a heterosexual male I naturally enjoy looking at female athletes.

    What does that have to do with statutory rape?

    Which of you males had the girly books hidden under you mattress so you could lust after the pictures?

    I didn’t have any girly books hidden under my mattress, they were on my bookshelf. The models in the magazines I had were all of legal age and were, as far as I know, willing participants (though I am expect some were cruelly exploited).

    So what does that have to do with Statutory Rape?

    Or are you suggesting that Roy Moore, in his 20’s felt so ashamed of his predilections that he hid his child pornography under his mattress? And you think because he did everybody did? Well, you better speak for your self on that one.

    Which of you males do not know that some religions approves of what you so detest.

    Is Roy Moore a member of one of those religions?

    And again, what does that have to do with statutory rape?

    I have been married to my wife for about 70 years and still enjoy the beauty of the young.And yes I am 8 years older than her.

    Congratulations. Seriously.

    Are you 90 years old now? So she is 82? And you were married when she was 12 and you were 20? Are you really Jerry Lee Lewis? Can I have your autograph?

    Did Roy Moore marry any of the 12 year old children he tried to ‘date’.

    So you moralists must be enjoying your expressions of purity and honesty.

    Let me get this straight: you are a supporter of the party that tries to claim the support of the “Moral Majority’, you take every hypocritical stance possible and ‘we’ are the moralists that you are condemning?

    ‘You’ want no government intervention in personal affairs of men, but total control over women’s wombs and that is not hypocritical?

    ‘We’ want people to take responsibility for their actions and ‘we’ are the hypocritical moralists?

    Do you really think that your side of politics has a legitimate claim to the ‘high moral ground’? And how does that square with supporting a child molester for political office.

  134. avatar
    redneck December 10, 2017 at 9:05 pm  (Quote) #

    Rape is bad an any age, and not worse at child hood, The effect on the parties is bad, and I regret that the eliminated the death penalty for rape, but when the public does not want to punish rape, that is the public’s position.

    I am 95 years old so I believe in harsh penalty for all criminal actions, preferably physical instead of jail time

    Bring back the cat of nine tails for small crimes and it might prevent the increasing crime rates in the world,

    Morals are not facts, but simply agreements entered into in society and change over the ages.
    .
    Sex seem to have the power to override a person’s morals, as does rage and anger

  135. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 11, 2017 at 1:07 am  (Quote) #

    Is the question relevant? I can think of a perfectly innocent reason that Reilly doesn’t say more–because it involves a third party. I wouldn’t drag somebody else into one of these discussions if it were me.

    Rickey: Reilly chooses not to explain how he came to be invited to the swearing-in ceremony, which leads me to believe that he is hiding something.

  136. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 11, 2017 at 1:11 am  (Quote) #

    I would rather be represented in Congress by those who are governed by our shared social contract than by their hormones. I say that because the social contract also includes the taboo against bribery and corruption.

    redneck: Morals are not facts, but simply agreements entered into in society and change over the ages.

  137. avatar
    redneck December 11, 2017 at 3:02 am  (Quote) #

    All people are governed by their hormones, as they are what drives the human to success in life.

    What drives people into politics I really don’t know.

    Maybe it is what they learn in law school, as that profession is well represented in the political field.

  138. avatar
    Reality Check December 11, 2017 at 11:00 am  (Quote) #

    I am less concerned how Brian Reilly happened to be invited to Roy Moore’s swearing in than I am by the fact that he chose to attend.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Is the question relevant? I can think of a perfectly innocent reason that Reilly doesn’t say more–because it involves a third party. I wouldn’t drag somebody else into one of these discussions if it were me.

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    Northland10 December 11, 2017 at 11:00 am  (Quote) #

    Rickey: Which of us, at the age of 30, were in the habit of attending dance recitals for teenage girls? I’m guessing that the answer is none.

    I only attended when I was being paid to run the auditorium light and sound, or when I was one of the contracted musicians.

  140. avatar
    j.d. sue December 11, 2017 at 12:08 pm  (Quote) #

    redneck: You want to call someone a pedophile do it to his, or her , face and be prepared to defend yourself from legal actions, or illegal actions. It is easy to hide on a blog and make spurious comments where there is no fear of consequences.

    Given that Roy Moore is in a race for the Senate, it is perfectly acceptable for people to express their opinions about him in a blog or other public forum, and not to his face. If he wants to sue, let him try. He will face the consequences of being a public political figure with no cause of action against people exercising their right to free speech.

    Anyhow, I actually haven’t called him a pedophile. To me, he’s a selfish old man who toyed with the hearts, minds, and bodies of very young ladies, and who used his position as a prosecutor to impress them, cause them to let down their guard, and to hide behind his position if anyone dared complain. Now, he calls them liars. I don’t know what the proper diagnosis is for that behavior. Lechery?

    But to me, my real issue with Moore is that he is a self-righteous lawless corrupt bigot who seeks to impose the tenets of his own religion and his disdain for most of the American people.

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    j.d. sue December 11, 2017 at 12:23 pm  (Quote) #

    p.s. funny when Roy Moore said he always asked the mothers if he could date the teenage girls — I figure if he asked the fathers, or at least my father, he would have got his ass kicked.

  142. avatar
    j.d. sue December 11, 2017 at 2:33 pm  (Quote) #

    redneck: Rape is bad an any age, and not worse at child hood, The effect on the parties is bad, and I regret that the eliminated the death penalty for rape, but when the public does not want to punish rape, that is the public’s position.

    —–

    That’s ridiculous. Of course rape is bad, but a child is in a fundamental, formative phase of life, and has none of the wherewithal of an adult to deal with it.

    In the law, the fact a victim is a minor child is an aggravating factor.

    Capital punishment for rape? I guess you don’t believe in an eye for an eye — that’s not harsh enough, or just enough, for you. Of course you are entitled to your views. But I don’t like capital punishment, as a practical matter. In my state, a few years ago, DNA testing proved that 50% of prisoners on death row could not have been guilty. Led to capital punishment being banned.

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    donna December 11, 2017 at 2:41 pm  (Quote) #

    j.d. Sue: I figure if he asked the fathers, or at least my father, he would have got his ass kicked.

    Ditto for my father.

    How many of these women dated men in their 30s when they were in their teens?

    Someone should ask these Moore supporters that question.

    In 1978, Fox’s Judge Jeanine headed the Domestic Violence and Child Abuse Bureau in my county. How would she have dealt with Roy Moore in 1978? (Donald Trump was her friend back then and their friendship still exists)

  144. avatar
    donna December 11, 2017 at 3:08 pm  (Quote) #

    j.d. sue: I figure if he asked the fathers, or at least my father, he would have got his ass kicked.

    Ditto for my father!

    How many of these Moore supporters dated men in their 30s when they were in their teens?

    In 1978, Fox’s Judge Jeanine headed the Domestic Violence and Child Abuse Bureau in my county. How would she have dealt with Roy Moore in 1978? (Or her friend Donald Trump?)

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    j.d. sue December 11, 2017 at 3:32 pm  (Quote) #

    donna: How many of these Moore supporters dated men in their 30s when they were in their teens?

    ——

    I don’t know. Maybe some. But I remember thinking that a 19 year old fella I liked was really reaching for the limit.

    Anyway, we lived by a basic principle and mantra in my day, “don’t trust anyone over 30.”

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    Reality Check December 11, 2017 at 3:45 pm  (Quote) #

    If Roy had asked to date my daughter at 14 I would have kicked his ass and reported him to the police. In Alabama where he was assistant DA that probably would have meant I would have been the one who went to jail.

    Now does that give some of you folks an idea why it is so difficult for victims to come forward?

    j.d. sue:
    p.s.funny when Roy Moore said he always asked the mothers if he could date the teenage girls — I figure if he asked the fathers, or at least my father, he would have got his ass kicked.

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    Rickey December 11, 2017 at 3:57 pm  (Quote) #

    redneck:

    I am 95 years old so I believe in harsh penalty for all criminal actions, preferably physical instead of jail time.

    Bring back the cat of nine tails for small crimes and it might prevent the increasing crime rates in the world,

    Have you ever, in your 95 years, read the Constitution? In particular, the Eighth Amendment?

    And you might want to read this Australian study on the long-term effects of child sexual abuse. One is never too old to learn.

    https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/long-term-effects-child-sexual-abuse/impact-child-sexual-abuse-mental-health

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    Rickey December 11, 2017 at 4:12 pm  (Quote) #

    redneck:
    Some religions approve of female genital mutilation. Does that mean that we should be okay with it?

    IF A RELIGION REQUIRES IT IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM, IT IS THE ADHERENTS TO THE BELIEVERS THAT HAVE THE PROBLEM

    It’s everyone’s problem. We are all members of the same human race. The fact that you don’t seem to care is appalling.

    A CLAIM SHOULD BE TESTED IN COURT BEFORE NON PARTICIPANTSUSE IT AS EVIDENCE.

    Except that the claims about Roy Moore can’t be tested in court because the statute of limitations has run. So should we just let him get away with it?

    Even apart from his obsession with teenage girls, Moore should not be elected because on at least two occasions he violated his oath to uphold the Constitution. Once he refused to comply with a District Court order and then he refused to comply with a Supreme Court ruling. Those actions along should disqualify him from being a United States senator.

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    Rickey December 11, 2017 at 4:18 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Is the question relevant? I can think of a perfectly innocent reason that Reilly doesn’t say more–because it involves a third party. I wouldn’t drag somebody else into one of these discussions if it were me.

    I don’t know that it’s relevant to anything, but it is curious. If he said “I can’t say because it would violate someone’s privacy” I could understand it. Or if he said “Someone else was invited but couldn’t attend so I went in his/her place” I could understand it. But he apparently isn’t interested in clarifying it, which is his decision.

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    Rickey December 11, 2017 at 4:23 pm  (Quote) #

    donna:

    How many of these Moore supporters dated men in their 30s when they were in their teens?

    It’s curious that no women, as far as I know, who were NOT teens when Moore was in his late 20s and 30s have come forward to say that they dated him at the time – his wife excepted, of course.

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    Keith December 11, 2017 at 5:05 pm  (Quote) #

    Rickey: Except that the claims about Roy Moore can’t be tested in court because the statute of limitations has run. So should we just let him get away with it?

    There is no statute of limitation on Statutory Rape in Alabama (or in any state that I am aware of).

    In Alabama, the legal terminology for “Statutory Rape” is “Sexual Assault on a Child under 16”, I believe.

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    donna December 11, 2017 at 5:52 pm  (Quote) #

    From a Frank Luntz panel of GOP voters in Alabama:

    “Forty years ago in Alabama, there’s a lotta mamas and daddies that would be thrilled that their 14-year-old was getting hit on by a district attorney,” one voter said

    https://news.vice.com/story/why-these-alabama-voters-are-sticking-by-roy-moore

    Seriously? “Thrilled”?

    Luntz was clearly shocked by their responses.

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    j.d. sue December 11, 2017 at 7:24 pm  (Quote) #

    donna: Frank Luntz

    —–

    Good ole Frank Luntz, my own personal favorite for any neo-Goebbels award, especially now that Roger Ailes and Lee Atwater have moved on.

    I seem to remember Luntz saying he was gonna run away to New Zealand to raise sheep, sometime when he thought it would be particularly timely to get away. And Trump dissed him on some tweet. Oh, who can keep track of all the clowns and buffoonery.

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    Dave B. December 11, 2017 at 7:51 pm  (Quote) #

    YouGov poll from the other day has 51% of Republicans saying it’s “probably true” or “definitely true” that President Obama was born in Kenya.

    https://today.yougov.com/news/2017/12/08/republicans-see-little-need-russia-investigation/

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    Nancy Ruth Owens, Obama's Forger December 11, 2017 at 10:25 pm  (Quote) #

    Because the Russian investigation would lead right back to the Bush family who colluded with the Drug Lord Pablo Escobar, backed by Russian/Cuba and all of his terrorist attacks in America. I know this for a fact because I have done several of them myself for the still very active Medellin Cartel.

    Dave B.:
    YouGov poll from the other day has 51% of Republicans saying it’s “probably true” or “definitely true” that President Obama was born in Kenya.

    https://today.yougov.com/news/2017/12/08/republicans-see-little-need-russia-investigation/

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    Pete December 12, 2017 at 3:22 am  (Quote) #

    redneck: You want to call someone a pedophile do it to his, or her , face and be prepared to defend yourself from legal actions, or illegal actions. It is easy to hide on a blog and make spurious comments where there is no fear of consequences.

    If Roy Moore shows up here I will tell his sorry ass that in my opinion he’s a pedophile.

    And if he shows up in my town and offers to go out for a cup of coffee with me in person, the same.

    Good enough for you?

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    Pete December 12, 2017 at 3:30 am  (Quote) #

    Dave B.:
    YouGov poll from the other day has 51% of Republicans saying it’s “probably true” or “definitely true” that President Obama was born in Kenya.

    https://today.yougov.com/news/2017/12/08/republicans-see-little-need-russia-investigation/

    Well, we’ve made it to just about 50/50 as far as Republicans are concerned.

    What a load of dumbos and political sheep.

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    redneck December 12, 2017 at 3:55 am  (Quote) #

    “What a load of dumbos and political sheep”

    you neglected to say which part of the public it applies to.

    Just because one side believes something and the other side disagrees, does not make other side right or wrong, or dumbos or political sheep.

    If you think the other side is wrong dispute their beliefs and find out you can not convince a believer that the believers are in error.

    Consider it a game to be played and enjoy the battle without condemning the other sides belief

    Or enter into a debate where you have to espouse the facts you disagree with and the opponent has to force you to change you presently are discussing.

    Simple debate brings facts not considered.

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    Dr. Conspiracy December 12, 2017 at 10:24 am  (Quote) #

    Sorry Jack. This is not a difference of opinion; this is a difference of facts and competence. I spent 8 years trying to give birthers the benefit of the doubt. There’s no doubt any more. Birthers are profoundly stupid and those that are not are liars.

    As for our occasional troll, back in the box.

    redneck: Just because one side believes something and the other side disagrees, does not make other side right or wrong, or dumbos or political sheep.

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    donna. December 12, 2017 at 1:56 pm  (Quote) #

    Trump repeats PolitiFact’s ‘Lie of the Year’ minutes after earning the dubious honor — and floats a new one

    Despite thousands of hours wasted and many millions of dollars spent, the Democrats have been unable to show any collusion with Russia – so now they are moving on to the false accusations and fabricated stories of women who I don’t know and/or have never met. FAKE NEWS!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 12, 2017

    Politifact’s Lie of the year

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/dec/12/2017-lie-year-russian-election-interference-made-s/

    And from their readers’ poll after offering 10 choices: 56.36% chose the same Lie

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/dec/12/2017-lie-year-readers-poll-results/

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    bob December 12, 2017 at 3:05 pm  (Quote) #

    Over at Infowars, Corsi is “reporting” on “the latest” of what Montgomery told Zullo. To paraphrase the president, you won’t believe what they are finding.

    The funniest takeaway is that Corsi says Montgomery provided Zullo with “evidence” that the CIA started hacking the HDOH in November 2008 (to insert fake birth data about Obama).

    Obama released his COLB in 2008 (and ordered it from the HDOH in 2007).

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    j.d. sue December 12, 2017 at 3:13 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check: If Roy had asked to date my daughter at 14 I would have kicked his ass and reported him to the police. In Alabama where he was assistant DA that probably would have meant I would have been the one who went to jail.

    Now does that give some of you folks an idea why it is so difficult for victims to come forward?

    ———–

    And adding insult to injury….at least speaking for myself and perhaps many others,
    some girls or women don’t want to tell their father or fella — we don’t want our guys to get hurt or in trouble. If people can’t understand the problems people deal with, then they are just being dense.

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    j.d. sue December 12, 2017 at 4:16 pm  (Quote) #

    donna: In 1978, Fox’s Judge Jeanine headed the Domestic Violence and Child Abuse Bureau in my county. How would she have dealt with Roy Moore in 1978? (Donald Trump was her friend back then and their friendship still exists)

    —-

    I wonder, then, if she was also a fan of Roy Cohn, the master and mentor of the Trumpish clan back then, until Cohn got sick with aids in the 1980s and died a lonely, disbarred old crook. I don’t like her using the title “Judge” anymore than I like Fox calling itself “News”.

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    donna December 12, 2017 at 5:17 pm  (Quote) #

    j.d. sue: I don’t like her using the title “Judge” anymore than I like Fox calling itself “News”.

    I agree with you about the “Judge” title. She also asked (convicted felon) Bernie Kerik to illegally wiretap her hubby’s boat to catch him having an affair. (They are now divorced) While they were married, hubby Al was trump’s attorney in an endeavor to construct a golf course in my neighborhood. Trump LOST and we WON.

    As an attorney, judge and DA, she was apparently unaware that her tax returns were fraudulent, Hubby Al was convicted on 66 counts of federal tax fraud and served 11 months in a federal prison.

    http://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/westchester/2017/04/25/donald-trump-seven-springs/100562900/

    https://nypost.com/2006/09/28/pirros-fury-at-cheating-al-feds-probe-her-plea-for-kerik-to-wiretap-husband/

  165. avatar
    Curious George December 12, 2017 at 7:35 pm  (Quote) #
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    Rickey December 12, 2017 at 10:28 pm  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Sorry Jack.This is not a difference of opinion; this is a difference of facts and competence.

    Jack would call flat Earth vs. spherical Earth a mere difference of opinion. Birthers are immune to facts.

  167. avatar
    j.d. sue December 12, 2017 at 11:05 pm  (Quote) #

    My goodness. What a great gift on the first night of Chanukah! Thank you People of Alabama!

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    Rickey December 12, 2017 at 11:07 pm  (Quote) #

    j.d. sue:
    My goodness.What a great gift on the first night of Chanukah!Thank you People of Alabama!

    I am both thrilled and astonished. I was hopeful but not optimistic.

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    donna December 12, 2017 at 11:13 pm  (Quote) #

    j.d. sue: My goodness.

    Mazel Tov! Latkes for everyone.

    Obama & Biden made those robocalls to African Americans and it worked.

    Trump & Bannon are the losers.

  170. avatar
    justlw December 12, 2017 at 11:43 pm  (Quote) #

    MAKE BIRTHER TEARS PLENTIFUL AGAIN

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    donna December 12, 2017 at 11:52 pm  (Quote) #

    USA Today: A president who would all but call Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand a whore is not fit to clean the toilets in the Barack Obama Presidential Library or to shine the shoes of George W. Bush.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/12/12/trump-lows-ever-hit-rock-bottom-editorials-debates/945947001/

    And Moore did not concede.

  172. avatar
    Pete December 12, 2017 at 11:55 pm  (Quote) #

    Sorry Jack. This is not a difference of opinion; this is a difference of facts and competence.

    Dr. Conspiracy and many others spent as much as 8 years trying to give birthers the benefit of the doubt. There’s no doubt any more.

    Birthers are profoundly stupid and those that are not are liars.

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    Pete December 13, 2017 at 12:26 am  (Quote) #

    Dr. Conspiracy: As for our occasional troll, back in the box.

    Jack in the box!

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    Reality Check December 13, 2017 at 1:09 am  (Quote) #

    Speaking of stupid liars, I can’t wait for Sharon Rondeau and her band of idiotic commenters at the P&E to explain Moore’s loss.

    Too bad Brian Reilly won’t be attending another Roy Moore swearing in ceremony. I hear the malls in DC and surrounding area are cutting their security budgets as I write.

    Pete: Birthers are profoundly stupid and those that are not are liars.

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    gorefan December 13, 2017 at 2:06 am  (Quote) #

    bob: The funniest takeaway is that Corsi says Montgomery provided Zullo with “evidence” that the CIA started hacking the HDOH in November 2008 (to insert fake birth data about Obama).

    On the Gallup’s show Zullo said they could document seven hacks by someone in Virginia and InfoWarslists eight hacks. So I would assume they are. They same ones.

    Also sounds like Infowars interviewed Zullo.

  176. avatar
    Notorial Dissent December 13, 2017 at 2:25 am  (Quote) #

    More to the point they are immune to reality.

    Rickey: Jack would call flat Earth vs. spherical Earth a mere difference of opinion. Birthers are immune to facts.

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    Nancy Ruth Owens, Obama's Forger December 13, 2017 at 4:31 am  (Quote) #

    There was evidence against Moore. A witness came forward.

    Reality Check:
    Speaking of stupid liars, I can’t wait for Sharon Rondeau and her band of idiotic commenters at the P&E to explain Moore’s loss.

    Too bad Brian Reilly won’t be attending another Roy Moore swearing in ceremony. I hear the malls in DC and surrounding area are cutting their security budgets as I write.

  178. avatar
    Nancy Ruth Owens, Obama's Forger December 13, 2017 at 4:34 am  (Quote) #

    Zullo’s latest radio show shows just how pissed of he is when it comes to his uncle, Roy Moore, and the allegations against him. I think he would have liked to call the witness some despicable name if he could have gotten away with it on air.

    :0)

    gorefan: On the Gallup’s show Zullo said they could document seven hacks by someone in Virginia and InfoWarslists eight hacks. So I would assume they are. They same ones.

    Also sounds like Infowars interviewed Zullo.

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    Curious George December 13, 2017 at 7:24 am  (Quote) #

    What an amazing election. The Jones / Moore race was close but not close enough for a mandatory recount. It looks like Moore is going to wait for the official certified results to be announced by the state of Alabama before he concedes defeat. Will Moore’s campaign pay for a recount? The numbers aren’t there.

    When is a speech a concession speech? When NBC mistakenly calls it a concession speech.

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+tube+NBC+concession+video&view=detail&mid=E5F59FD36BAD4A401797E5F59FD36BAD4A401797&FORM=VIRE

    http://heavy.com/news/2017/12/alabama-military-ballots-roy-moore-senate-how-many-outstanding/

  180. avatar
    donna December 13, 2017 at 8:32 am  (Quote) #

    Does anyone believe Trump penned that conciliatory tweet last night?

    Congratulations to Doug Jones on a hard fought victory. The write-in votes played a very big factor, but a win is a win. The people of Alabama are great, and the Republicans will have another shot at this seat in a very short period of time. It never ends!
    11:08 PM · Dec 12, 2017

  181. avatar
    bob December 13, 2017 at 12:19 pm  (Quote) #

    gorefan: On the Gallup’s show Zullo said they could document seven hacks by someone in Virginia and InfoWarslists eight hacks. So I would assume they are. They same ones.

    Also sounds like Infowars interviewed Zullo.

    Yes, Infowars (read: Corsi) “interviewed” Zullo. So between yammering Gallups and Corsi, Zullo invents another hack.

    Zullo can’t keep his lies straight.

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    Reality Check December 13, 2017 at 1:13 pm  (Quote) #

    It’s too much work to do that and his target audience is too stupid to figure it out.

    bob: Yes, Infowars (read: Corsi) “interviewed” Zullo. So between yammering Gallups and Corsi, Zullo invents another hack.

    Zullo can’t keep his lies straight.

  183. avatar
    justlw December 13, 2017 at 2:44 pm  (Quote) #
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    Pete December 13, 2017 at 4:51 pm  (Quote) #

    donna:
    Does anyone believe Trump penned that conciliatory tweet last night?

    Insider scoop (and I got this straight from a member of Trump’s inner circle):

    Trump actually did write the tweet, but it was lightly edited by an assistant before posting.

    Here’s a before-and-after for your comparison.

    Original:

    ####### SON OF A ##### THOSE ####### PATHETIC LOSERS IN ALABAMA WHO THE #### DO THEY THINK THEY ARE? AND THAT TOTAL ####### DISASTER ####### ROY MORE I KNEW I SHOULD’VE STRANDED HIS SORRY ###!!!

    Edited version:

    Congratulations to Doug Jones on a hard fought victory. The write-in votes played a very big factor, but a win is a win. The people of Alabama are great, and the Republicans will have another shot at this seat in a very short period of time. It never ends!

  185. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy December 13, 2017 at 5:32 pm  (Quote) #

    By the way, I take personal credit for Roy Moore’s loss. A pollster called me and asked me who I thought would win. I said Moore. That doomed it for him because my predictions are always wrong.

  186. avatar
    Reality Check December 13, 2017 at 8:32 pm  (Quote) #

    We all owe you a debt of gratitude Doc.

    I thought Moore had an insurmountable lead last night. I was very depressed at the thought of this ghoul winning. I can’t recall any election where the count turned so quickly and dramatically.

    It’s still disturbing that almost 50% of Alabamans (and I would guess at least 75% of the Republicans) would vote for this weirdo, racist, birther pervert. Doug Jones is really a good man and deserved to win.

    I have been thinking about a good way to describe the state of politics today and where we are. I think one key point is that Trump and his supporters lack basic humanity. The only time Trump’s Twitter feed shows any evidence of humanity is when someone else Tweets for him as they did in the congratulatory Tweet to Jones. There is no way Trump wrote that. The real Trump showed up this morning when he backed the bus over Roy Moore by lying and claiming he knew Moore could not win.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    By the way, I take personal credit for Roy Moore’s loss. A pollster called me and asked me who I thought would win. I said Moore. That doomed it for him because my predictions are always wrong.

  187. avatar
    j.d. sue December 14, 2017 at 12:22 pm  (Quote) #

    “By the way, I take personal credit for Roy Moore’s loss. A pollster called me and asked me who I thought would win. I said Moore. That doomed it for him because my predictions are always wrong.”

    That was quick thinking, Doc! Thank you for that, and for everything!

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