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The additional open thread: What light from yonder window breaks edition

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44 Responses to The additional open thread: What light from yonder window breaks edition

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 4, 2018 at 10:37 am #

    Sorry about the delayed open thread. I was traveling and then I got this nasty chest cold.

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 4, 2018 at 10:43 am #

    I see that the Now 8 News web site that Magic Anthony cited in the previous Open Thread is on the Wikipedia list of Fake News Sites:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fake_news_websites#List

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    Reality Check March 7, 2018 at 3:12 pm #

    How soon are Birthers going to demand copies his birth certificate, social security card, selective service record, and college records for David Dennison?

    I won’t be holding my breath.

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    bob March 7, 2018 at 10:11 pm #

    Montgomery and Klayman’s lawsuit against Comey was dismissed (on Monday).

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    gorefan March 7, 2018 at 10:27 pm #

    bob:
    Montgomery and Klayman’s lawsuit against Comey was dismissed (on Monday).

    Who was the judge? Any links to the decision?

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    bob March 8, 2018 at 12:30 pm #

    gorefan: Who was the judge?Any links to the decision?

    Klayman’s used-to-be-second-favorite judge: Leon (of the D.D.C.).

    No public link; it is in the usual legal databases.

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    Pete March 8, 2018 at 11:55 pm #

    Only 11 days until the last dog officially dies.

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    Reality Check March 10, 2018 at 11:12 am #

    Yep, scheduled for conference on Friday March 16th and will be on the denied list on the following Monday. Ironically, that’s only a week and two days before Wong Kim Ark Day. (The 120th anniversary of the decision in US v Wong Kim Ark).

    Pete:
    Only 11 days until the last dog officially dies.

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    Pete March 12, 2018 at 12:25 am #

    This thread is now unfindable again.

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    Reality Check March 12, 2018 at 9:01 pm #

    The new comments RSS feed goes to the right thread but not always to the latest comment. I have to refresh to see the latest comment on the current open thread post. I wish the blog would load the latest page and I didn’t have to manually refresh.

    Pete:
    This thread is now unfindable again.

  11. avatar
    Pete March 12, 2018 at 10:19 pm #

    I click the “open thread”link, but it only produces open thread from like January.

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 13, 2018 at 8:04 am #

    Hmmm

    It’s either the site cache or your local browser cache. If you can’t see the page now, click ctrl-F5 to clear your browser cache.

    I think I have turned off browser caching now. As long as I remember to access the Open Thread page after adding new open threads, it should be OK. Lemme know.

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    Rickey March 14, 2018 at 12:52 am #

    The parents of Seth Rich have filed a lawsuit against Fox News for pushing the conspiracy theory that Seth gave DNC emails to Wikileaks.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fox-news-sued-parents-slain-dnc-staffer-seth-rich-n856436

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    Reality Check March 14, 2018 at 4:10 pm #

    Whatever you did worked for me. Now when I click on the latest comment on the Comment Feed page it goes to that comment in the open thread.

    Dr. Conspiracy: I think I have turned off browser caching now. As long as I remember to access the Open Thread page after adding new open threads, it should be OK. Lemme know.

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    Pete March 15, 2018 at 12:21 am #

    Seems to be working now.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Hmmm

    It’s either the site cache or your local browser cache. If you can’t see the page now, click ctrl-F5 to clear your browser cache.

    I think I have turned off browser caching now. As long as I remember to access the Open Thread page after adding new open threads, it should be OK. Lemme know.

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    Pete March 15, 2018 at 12:22 am #

    Rickey: The parents of Seth Rich have filed a lawsuit against Fox News for pushing the conspiracy theory that Seth gave DNC emails to Wikileaks.

    They should.

    Five days until The Last Dog Dies (TM).

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    W. Kevin Vicklund March 15, 2018 at 8:33 am #

    Pete: They should.

    Five days until The Last Dog Dies (TM).

    The dog dies tomorrow. The obituary gets published in five days.

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    Pete March 15, 2018 at 6:05 pm #

    Will the dog be discernibly dead tomorrow (to those of us on the outside of the system), or is this theoretically a Schrödinger’s dog kind of situation?

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    Pete March 15, 2018 at 7:42 pm #

    Laity’s filed a couple of cases before. In both instances, he’s filed for a rehearing (which was, of course, denied.) I would expect this is likely in this case as well.

    It looks to me like we still have a couple of months to go before interment.

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    Rickey March 15, 2018 at 9:48 pm #

    Pete:
    Laity’s filed a couple of cases before. In both instances, he’s filed for a rehearing (which was, of course, denied.) I would expect this is likely in this case as well.

    It looks to me like we still have a couple of months to go before interment.

    The rules for a petition for rehearing are specific:

    Any petition for the rehearing of an order denying a petition for a writ of certiorari or extraordinary writ shall be filed within 25 days after the date of the order of denial and shall comply with all the form and filing requirements of paragraph 1 of this Rule, including the payment of the filing fee if required, but its grounds shall be limited to intervening circumstances of a substantial or controlling effect or to other substantial grounds not previously presented. The time for filing a petition for the rehearing of an order denying a petition for a writ of certiorari or extraordinary writ will not be extended. The petition shall be presented together with certification of counsel (or of a party unrepresented by counsel) that it is restricted to the grounds specified in this paragraph and that it is presented in good faith and not for delay; one copy of the certificate shall bear the signature of counsel (or of a party unrepresented by counsel). The certificate shall be bound with each copy of the petition. The Clerk will not file a petition without a certificate. The petition is not subject to oral argument.
    3. The Clerk will not file any response to a petition for rehearing unless the Court requests a response. In the absence of extraordinary circumstances, the Court will not grant a petition for rehearing without first requesting a response.

    Petitions for a rehearing are almost never granted. Four justices are required to grant cert, but it takes five justices to grant a petition for rehearing. No justice called for a response to Laity’s cert petition, so we can safely assume that no justice believes that his case has any merit.

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    Pete March 16, 2018 at 4:32 pm #

    Obituaries
    —————————————————————————————-

    Robert C. Laity, v. New York, et al.

    The court action styled Robert C. Laity, Petitioner, v. New York, et al. passed away quietly Friday, March 16, 2018, in the United States Supreme Court, Washington, DC., of natural causes.

    Laity v. New York was born early in 2016, but suffered its entire life from the severe congenital defects that would ultimately result in its demise. This was inevitable, despite the determined efforts at life support that kept it in the system for nearly two years.

    The case was not notable. But if it had been, any notability would have come from the fact that it appears to have been the very last surviving legal action of the already nearly-forgotten, so-called, “birther era.” Although Laity claimed that outgoing President Barack Obama was ineligible to his office, the case focused instead on allegations that none of Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, or Bobby Jindal were eligible to the Presidency of the United States, either. It was in that sense a “sideswipe” at the outgoing President.

    Laity’s lack of notability was duly recognized by a complete and utter lack of any attention whatever from any and all media worthy of actually being called media.

    At its core, Laity v. New York was based on the moonbat theory that Minor v. Happersett “defined” natural born citizenship as requiring both birth in the United States and two citizen parents. This was a favorite pet claim of a bunch of off-base time-and-money-wasters called “birthers,” who resolutely and adamantly rejected several mountains’ worth of perfectly good evidence that “natural born citizen,” in fact, simply means – and has always meant – that a person had been born a United States citizen.

    What the case lacked in substance, it made up for in… well, let’s be frank. It completely failed to make up for its lack of substance in any way at all. As may be said of many similar attempts, it was merely a sad and misguided effort to impose an ill-founded false interpretation of the phrase “natural born citizen” upon the legal system of America. As such, Laity will not be missed, nor will its passing be noted pretty much anywhere on the planet, except in this one rather obscure open thread in a blog which has officially been shut down for more than a year.

    In a sense, this obituary marks not only the death of Laity v. New York, but the final, undeniable death of a movement that served only to illustrate some of the worst of human nature: That too many Americans are all too willing to believe and propagate absolute nonsense and lies, no matter what damage they do to the nation, just as long as they think that doing so furthers their own prejudices, wishes, and (in some cases) bald lust for money and publicity. And they do so, of course, while loudly proclaiming that they are “patriots” who promote the “truth,” while those who actually stand up for our Constitution and the truth are loudly denounced as “traitors.”

    It’s sad that this is the case. However, we may be gratified that the Constitution and the truth have (mostly) triumphed in the end, at least as regards the specific claims made by birthers.

    We can only say “mostly” because while birthers achieved precisely zero victories in the legal system (out of more than 380 original cases plus appeals) and were largely ignored by all real journalists, large numbers of people who were deceived by these charlatans still remain deceived today.

    Laity v. New York was preceded in death by two siblings, who died of similar causes. It is survived solely by its father, Robert C. Laity of New York State.

    Mr. Laity, in his disbelief and refusal to accept reality, will undoubtedly file for a rehearing, which will of course be routinely denied. Final interment of Laity v. New York is therefore delayed, and will take place in a couple of months.

    In the spirit of birtherism and in lieu of flowers, well-wishers (if there are any) are urged to throw their generous donations into a nearby rathole or ditch.

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    Reality Check March 19, 2018 at 10:55 am #

    Indeed it is official:

    CERTIORARI DENIED

    17-1006
    LAITY, ROBERT C. V. NEW YORK, ET AL.

    Pete: Robert C. Laity, v. New York, et al.

    The court action styled Robert C. Laity, Petitioner, v. New York, et al. passed away quietly Friday, March 16, 2018, in the United States Supreme Court, Washington, DC., of natural causes.

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    Reality Check March 19, 2018 at 1:10 pm #

    Bob at the Fogbow noted that Laity filed for a rehearing last time and is likely to do so again. I think they call that throwing good money after bad. Please proceed Mr. Laity. 😉

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    Pete March 19, 2018 at 3:42 pm #

    Yes, he filed for a rehearing in both of his two previous cases.

    That’s why I count it dead, but not quite yet buried.

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    Rickey March 20, 2018 at 9:00 pm #

    Sharon has not mentioned the Laity denial.

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    Reality Check March 21, 2018 at 12:50 pm #

    She’s deciding whether to go with the “Deep State” got to them angle or write another five part series on Fitzfundfilcher.

    Rickey:
    Sharon has not mentioned the Laity denial.

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    Pete March 21, 2018 at 2:03 pm #

    Rickey: Sharon has not mentioned the Laity denial.

    Shocker.

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    Pete March 21, 2018 at 2:07 pm #

    Do you think she will publish my obituary?

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    Reality Check March 22, 2018 at 11:06 am #

    Birthers won’t care or even believe it. They think the press just forced Trump to recant his Birtherism.

    Did anyone see what Sen. Bob Corker said? https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/03/21/a-gop-senators-remarkable-admission-about-trump-and-mueller/?utm_term=.c11cc3fccd23 (open in a private window if the paywall pops up).

    He said the Republican support for Trump is tribal in nature.

    Dave B.:
    The well-oiled machine spins on.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jared-kushner-apos-admitted-donald-102800653.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=fb

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    Nancy Owens, The Real Zodiac March 22, 2018 at 12:57 pm #

    Trump’s Personal Lawyer John Dowd Quits

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc_tz6Fx5hE

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    donna March 22, 2018 at 2:09 pm #

    I remember how long Obama was criticized for mispronouncing “corps”. Today WAPO introduced an article: “Elected to lead, not to proofread’: Typos, spelling mistakes are commonplace in Trump’s White House“ which I found hysterical about Trump, who thinks he’s “a really smart person”.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/elected-to-lead-not-to-proofread-typos-spelling-mistakes-are-commonplace-in-trumps-white-house/2018/03/21/092cd086-2d16-11e8-b0b0-f706877db618_story.html?utm_term=.f0a1f949007e

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 24, 2018 at 6:44 am #

    I bumped into an old blog: Orly Taitz Should be Disbarred:

    http://disbarorlytaitz.blogspot.com/

    The Joe.My.God blog has anti-birther content:

    http://www.joemygod.com/tag/birthers/

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    justlw March 26, 2018 at 12:20 pm #

    Vaughn Hillyard of NBC News has been chatting with the Shurf. He tweets this morning:

    Get Ready: Joe Arpaio intends to release in the next few weeks–> “I have stuff that pertains to what’s going on in Washington—right now—with the dossier.”

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    justlw March 26, 2018 at 12:24 pm #

    Also, Hillyard relates a thing I’d never heard about Arpaio’s backstory:

    Arpaio, from 1982 to 1992, worked for his wife Ava’s travel agency. He ran for office after incumbent GOP Sheriff Tom Agnos cancelled dept’s contract with the Arpaio travel company. “That’s a little quirk, and it’s true. I probably never would have run.”

    “The sheriff before [Agnos]—I gave him a few bucks, and [Agnos] probably found out about it. So he got back at me by taking away my travel account,” Arpaio said. Wife Ava added: “It was a nice account.” Joe followed: “One of the biggest.”

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    Pete March 26, 2018 at 2:27 pm #

    He should’ve stuck with the travel agency business.

    Why does NBC News give the time of day to this clown? He’s a total bullsh*t artist.

    If you can call it art.

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    Dave B. March 29, 2018 at 4:01 am #

    So Stanley Armour Dunham’s 100th birthday was last Friday. I just love that particular kind of trivia; it makes a kind of bridge from us in the here and now to the families that preceded us.

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    Dave B. March 29, 2018 at 4:02 am #

    He was trying to sell rides on rocket ships back then. After the Challenger disaster, that market kind of went south.

    Pete: He should’ve stuck with the travel agency business.

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    Keith (not logged on) March 29, 2018 at 7:44 am #

    Dave B.:
    He was trying to sell rides on rocket ships back then.After the Challenger disaster, that market kind of went south.

    Hey, you just reminded me. My brother bought a square inch of property on the Moon (or was it Mars?) from, I think, Analog Magazine, back in the late 50’s or early 60’s. Seems to me I shoulda inherited that property when he died. I bet that rotten County Executor took it for hisself.

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    Keith (not logged on) March 29, 2018 at 7:45 am #

    hmmm. I wonder why I’m currently “(not logged on)”. I’ll haveta fix that.

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    Reality Check March 30, 2018 at 9:46 am #

    Thanks for the links. I will ad those to the links section of the RC Radio blog.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I bumped into an old blog: Orly Taitz Should be Disbarred:

    http://disbarorlytaitz.blogspot.com/

    The Joe.My.God blog has anti-birther content:

    http://www.joemygod.com/tag/birthers/

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    Dave B. March 31, 2018 at 3:57 am #

    Corsi’s got a new book out, whining about how people aren’t nice to Trump. I’ll wait til it hits the 99 cent store to wallow in that irony.

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    Dave B. March 31, 2018 at 4:33 pm #

    More Corsi irony, and an intriguing mental image–

    https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018/03/30/infowars-jerome-corsi-challenges-robert-mueller-fight/219797