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The additional open thread: Not April fooling edition

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61 Responses to The additional open thread: Not April fooling edition

  1. avatar
    Pete April 2, 2018 at 2:51 pm #

    Corsi’s got a new book out, whining about how people aren’t nice to Trump. I’ll wait til it hits the 99 cent store to wallow in that irony.

    I’ll wait until someone gives me a copy for free, and then use it as fuel for a wood stove without reading.

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    Pete April 2, 2018 at 2:56 pm #

    “So many of the quotes you find on the internet are just completely bogus.”

    — John F. Kennedy

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    Dave B. April 2, 2018 at 4:01 pm #

    He’s added a reference to somebody’s 2013 letter to the editor. Somebody who, needless to say, is not John Adams.

    Reality Check:
    Nice take down Dave B.!

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    Keith (not logged on) April 3, 2018 at 8:34 pm #

    Dave B.:
    He’s added a reference to somebody’s 2013 letter to the editor.Somebody who, needless to say, is not John Adams.

    My sister shared a facebook meme purporting to show an official Texas memorial plaque honoring the 2nd Amendment which included a fake quote from George Washington. I often feel like my sister needs a two-by-four upside her head, but usually I just bite down on a towel or something until the feeling goes away. I had to let her have it this time and the post disappeared from my feed, but its still on hers (with my comment so that’s something at least).

    I don’t know how to ‘take posts off the feed’ – how do you do that?

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    Rickey April 3, 2018 at 9:43 pm #

    Keith (not logged on): My sister shared a facebook meme purporting to show an official Texas memorial plaque honoring the 2nd Amendment which included a fake quote from George Washington. I often feel like my sister needs a two-by-four upside her head, but usually I just bite down on a towel or something until the feeling goes away. I had to let her have it this time and the post disappeared from my feed, but its still on hers (with my comment so that’s something at least).

    It’s very frustrating because no matter how often you point out the phony quotes, they never, ever take a few minutes to verify quotes before posting them. You would think that they would be embarrassed by being called out so often.

    The other day someone I know posted a meme with a quote from Hitler supposedly saying that the German Weapons Act of 1935 would allow him to control the populace. The first clue that the quote is fake is that the German Weapons Act was enacted in 1938, not 1935. And it actually expanded the rights of Germans to own guns (Jews excepted).

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    ScottRS April 4, 2018 at 1:49 pm #

    These stories still make me smile a little:

    Trump-appointed Pentagon employee resigns hours after CNN reveals ‘birther’ posts on his social media:

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/trump-appointed-pentagon-employee-resigns-hours-cnn-reveals-birther-posts-social-media/

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    JPotter April 4, 2018 at 9:42 pm #

    ScottRS: These stories still make me smile a little:

    Trump-appointed Pentagon employee resigns hours after CNN reveals ‘birther’ posts on his social media:

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/trump-appointed-pentagon-employee-resigns-hours-cnn-reveals-birther-posts-social-media/

    I’m confused …. WHY did he resign?

    This would imply a certain other person should resign, too.

  8. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 5, 2018 at 1:21 pm #

    Interesting article on the relationship between populism and conspiracy theories:

    http://www.democraticaudit.com/2018/04/05/on-the-affinities-and-differences-between-populism-and-a-belief-in-conspiracy-theories/

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    gorefan April 6, 2018 at 1:35 pm #

    Judge Leon’s dismissal of Montgomery v Comey.

    https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2017cv1074-47

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    Nancy Owens, The Real Zodiac April 7, 2018 at 1:48 pm #

    As I used to say to Rivi, “Ditto.”

    Pete: I’ll wait until someone gives me a copy for free, and then use it as fuel for a wood stove without reading.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 8, 2018 at 7:50 pm #

    Did you see the cite to Arpaio v. Obama (Page 9)?

    gorefan:
    Judge Leon’s dismissal of Montgomery v Comey.

    https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2017cv1074-47

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    bob April 9, 2018 at 3:03 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Did you see the cite to Arpaio v. Obama (Page 9)?

    Also a Klayman fail.

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    gorefan April 9, 2018 at 3:10 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Did you see the cite to Arpaio v. Obama (Page 9)?

    Was that when they tried to horn in on the immigration lawsuits?

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    Northland10 April 9, 2018 at 8:15 pm #

    gorefan:
    Judge Leon’s dismissal of Montgomery v Comey.

    https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2017cv1074-47

    It always annoys me that in this case, they claim the FBI induced them to hand over the hard drives while in Risen they claimed them took them to the FBI because they may contain classified info, yet nobody has called them on this. Klayman and Montgomery have provided 2 different stories to the court.

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    gorefan April 9, 2018 at 11:51 pm #

    Northland10: It always annoys me that in this case, they claim the FBI induced them to hand over the hard drives while in Risen they claimed them took them to the FBI because they may contain classified info, yet nobody has called them on this.Klayman and Montgomery have provided 2 different stories to the court.

    I was thinking the same thing.

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    Keith (not logged on) April 10, 2018 at 7:22 am #

    Deja Vu all over again:

    A guy on another message board just challenged Tammy Duckworth’s eligibility to serve as President (not that she has any ambitions in that direction).

    She was born in Thailand, her father was American, her mother was Thai. Born overseas with at least one Citizen parent = NBC.

    How long has it been since that dead horse stopped being beaten?

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    roadburner April 11, 2018 at 8:40 am #

    Rickey:

    The other day someone I know posted a meme with a quote from Hitler supposedly saying that the German Weapons Act of 1935 would allow him to control the populace. The first clue that the quote is fake is that the German Weapons Act was enacted in 1938, not 1935. And it actually expanded the rights of Germans to own guns (Jews excepted).

    i´ve been pointing this out to quite a few people on sites i hang out on, especially with the latest batch of memes coming out targetting David hogg and Emma Gonzales.

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    dunstvangeet April 11, 2018 at 11:01 pm #

    Dave B.: Sunday morning fun with David Farrar– https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/former_supreme_court_justice_repeal_the_second_amendment/#comment-3834563894

    The first part of the quote seems to be a misquote of Benjamin Franklin’s: “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

    The second part of the quote is almost certainly just made up out of whole cloth. I’ve found multiple websites that attribute it to Anonymous.

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    Rickey April 11, 2018 at 11:07 pm #

    Today I ran into a guy on Facebook (a friend of a friend), who demanded to see proof that Obama actually attended Harvard Law.

    He was upset because I had posted proof that Trump didn’t graduate Wharton with honors, much less as first in his class.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 12, 2018 at 1:58 am #

    Jeff Flake’s son to seek new trial against Arpaio:

    https://wtop.com/animals-pets/2018/04/senators-son-to-seek-new-civil-trial-against-joe-arpaio/

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    bob April 12, 2018 at 4:54 pm #

    Steven Stockman, purported birther whisperer, convicted on numerous felonies.

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    Reality Check April 14, 2018 at 12:20 pm #

    Robert Laity left this comment on my blog:

    A Petition for Rehearing was filed on or about 4-11-18.

    It’s good he has the money to throw away. His book sales must be great!

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    Reality Check April 14, 2018 at 12:23 pm #

    Wow! He is in deep trouble.

    https://www.texastribune.org/2018/04/12/texas-congressman-steve-stockman-found-guilty-felony-charges/

    We can add Stockman’s name to the long list of Birthers with criminal records.

    bob:
    Steven Stockman, purported birther whisperer, convicted on numerous felonies.

  24. avatar
    bob April 16, 2018 at 4:46 pm #

    CNN (finally!) reports that Zinke was on WOBC (in March 2016). And also birfed other places.

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    Pete April 17, 2018 at 3:44 am #

    Reality Check:
    Robert Laity left this comment on my blog:

    A Petition for Rehearing was filed on or about 4-11-18.

    As expected.

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    gorefan April 17, 2018 at 1:35 pm #

    I can only imagine what would have happened if this technology had been available ten years ago. Dozens of born in Kenya videos for sure.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/obama-jordan-peele-deepfake-video-debunk-buzzfeed?utm_term=.feZQ8KxWY#.ouOzx3oBD

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    donna April 17, 2018 at 6:16 pm #

    Federal Appeals Court Will Name A Special Prosecutor To Argue That Joe Arpaio’s Guilty Verdict Should Stand

    The Justice Department won’t defend a judge’s refusal to toss out the guilty verdict against Joe Arpaio following his pardon by President Donald Trump last year, so a federal appeals court will appoint a special prosecutor to do it instead.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/zoetillman/joe-arpaio-verdict-defense?utm_term=.gqrPQpjVJ#.egGRwvn5B

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    bob April 17, 2018 at 6:52 pm #

    donna:
    Federal Appeals Court Will Name A Special Prosecutor To Argue That Joe Arpaio’s Guilty Verdict Should Stand

    In related news, Zullo and Gallups blow off releasing Reed Hayes’ report until at least 2019.

  29. avatar
    Pete April 18, 2018 at 3:25 am #

    In related news, Zullo and Gallups blow…

  30. avatar
    Pete April 18, 2018 at 3:26 am #

    Sorry, couldn’t resist.

  31. avatar
    Reality Check April 18, 2018 at 1:11 pm #

    😆

    Pete:
    In related news, Zullo and Gallups blow…

  32. avatar
    bob April 18, 2018 at 4:04 pm #

    Laity’s reconsideration petition will be heard (and denied) on April 27. The denial order will be published on May 1.

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    Reality Check April 19, 2018 at 10:01 am #

    Thanks to Laity for the double celebration of the death of the last of the Birther cases.

    bob:
    Laity’s reconsideration petition will be heard (and denied) on April 27.The denial order will be published on May 1.

  34. avatar
    Arthur B. April 19, 2018 at 12:32 pm #

    Check this out — I don’t know how long it will be there!

    https://thefixerlawyer.com/

  35. avatar
    Reality Check April 19, 2018 at 2:01 pm #

    It looks like Arpaio is not going to get to do any Birthering in the Senate.
    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/383883-poll-sinema-leads-gop-candidates-in-arizona-senate-race
    Joe is third among Republicans in the primary polling and likely Democratic candidate Kyrsten Sinema would trounce him if he won the Republican primary.

    (I know. It’s early and it’s one poll.)

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    Reality Check April 20, 2018 at 12:35 pm #

    The DNC is suing Russia and the Trump Campaign. The complaint claims the Trump campaign was a RICO enterprise. Thanks to Orly Taitz I know quite a bit about 18 U.S. Code § 1961. It might actually apply in this case.

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    Pete April 21, 2018 at 6:58 am #

    bob:
    Laity’s reconsideration petition will be heard (and denied) on April 27.The denial order will be published on May 1.

    Ah, good! We finally have a burial date for the last birther case.

    Will there be a graveside ceremony of some sort?

    Preferably one involving some free beer?

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    Pete April 21, 2018 at 7:03 am #

    The Senate run is a bad idea anyway. It takes away from the dedicated 16 hours a day that Joe needs to run a really top notch, highly professional, and vitally important continuing investigation into Barack Obama’s forged birth certificate.

    That, and beg for sacrificial donations from old ladies.

    Reality Check:
    It looks like Arpaio is not going to get to do any Birthering in the Senate.
    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/383883-poll-sinema-leads-gop-candidates-in-arizona-senate-race
    Joe is third among Republicans in the primary polling and likely Democratic candidate Kyrsten Sinema would trounce him if he won the Republican primary.

    (I know. It’s early and it’s one poll.)

  39. avatar
    Rickey April 22, 2018 at 12:21 am #

    bob:
    Laity’s reconsideration petition will be heard (and denied) on April 27.The denial order will be published on May 1.

    Laity’s Petition for Rehearing, which can be found on the SCOTUS website, demonstrates that he has learned nothing from his failures because once again he fails to address the legal reasons why his lawsuit was dismissed. Just like Cody Robert Judy, instead of addressing those reasons he chooses to again argue his “two-citizen parents” theory.

    And he is sure to endear himself to the justices with this whine:

    This court has a legal responsibility to defend and uphold the constitution. It cannot continue to “evade the issue” as Justice Thomas has claimed this court is doing. This is my fourth attempt to make you understand that the Constitution must be adhered to and upheld. It is you that should be intent on doing so and you should not have to be lectured on doing so. You all took oaths.

    He might as well have flushed his filing fee down a toilet

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    Reality Check April 22, 2018 at 10:40 am #

    True but that wouldn’t have provided the entertainment value for us. Unless there was a video of course. 😉

    Rickey: He might as well have flushed his filing fee down a toilet

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    Pete April 22, 2018 at 3:34 pm #

    Rickey: And he is sure to endear himself to the justices with this whine:

    This court has a legal responsibility to defend and uphold the constitution. It cannot continue to “evade the issue” as Justice Thomas has claimed this court is doing. This is my fourth attempt to make you understand that the Constitution must be adhered to and upheld. It is you that should be intent on doing so and you should not have to be lectured on doing so. You all took oaths.

    Pitiful. But really, an apt final ending for the entire massive pile of pitiful, misguided, crackpot birther nonsense.

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    Reality Check April 22, 2018 at 4:42 pm #

    Laity wrote this at the Pest & Efail:

    “My book “Imposters in the Oval office” has recently been recorded as an “authority” on official US Supreme Court documents in Laity v NY,Cruz,Rubio and Jindal.”

    In other words he cited his fake book in his doomed Petition for Rehearing.

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    Pete April 22, 2018 at 6:18 pm #

    Reality Check:
    “My book “Imposters in the Oval office” has recently been recorded as an “authority” on official US Supreme Court documents in Laity v NY,Cruz,Rubio and Jindal.”

    I just read one eighth of his 41-page (large print) book over at the Pest and Efail.

    More like a rather long opinion piece, really.

    And a deeply misguided opinion at that.

    It’s like, wow. Has this guy never read anything written by ANYBODY else? Other than his fellow birthers, I mean.

    Actual legal scholars? Historians? Anti-birthers? Dr. Conspiracy? The courts? Charles M. Schulz? Anybody?

    It’s just one debunked piece of nonsense after another.

    It would be like little nuggets of dog poop covered in chocolate, except that the chocolate coating is made up of dog poop as well.

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    Reality Check April 22, 2018 at 7:22 pm #

    One explanation might be that Laity lives very close to Love Canal. There might be chemicals involved.

    I have read the the opinions in Minor and WKA completely through multiple times. There is just no way anyone could honestly read Minor and conclude it defined the term natural born citizen. In fact the court said they didn’t need to do that. It wasn’t a citizenship case and the main holding of the case was made moot by the Nineteenth Amendment.

    BTW, Laity left a comment on my blog claiming he would debate anyone. But the coward blocked me on Twitter when I pointed out the folly of his theories and he comments mostly at the Pest & Efail where Sharon Rondeau dumps any comment with even a smidgen of truth.

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    Rickey April 23, 2018 at 3:45 am #

    Reality Check:
    Laity wrote this at the Pest & Efail:

    “My book “Imposters in the Oval office” has recently been recorded as an “authority” on official US Supreme Court documents in Laity v NY,Cruz,Rubio and Jindal.”

    In other words he cited his fake book in his doomed Petition for Rehearing.

    Because what could be more persuasive than citing your own opinions as authority? I wonder if Laity sent along a copy of his book with his petition, or does he expect SCOTUS to buy a copy?

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    Reality Check April 23, 2018 at 10:38 am #

    Laity is also too dumb to realize when he puts “” around the word “authority” it actually is a form of negation. In other words it means it’s not an authority.

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    Pete April 23, 2018 at 2:37 pm #

    He’s also delusional to imagine that his filing a baseless case with the court (as “official US Supreme Court documents”) lends any “authority” or credibility to his crackpot claims as well.

    Literally anyone could file literally anything.

    A book claiming that the earth is flat and square, with water pouring off of the edges. One claiming that JFK is still alive and working as a waiter in a secret tropical country underground beneath the North Pole, ruled by alien dinosaurs.

    Heck, you could even file one of Doug Vogt’s books.

    Or one of Jerome Corsi’s.

    Laity also can’t spell “impostors.”

  48. avatar
    bob April 23, 2018 at 2:40 pm #

    Pete: I just read one eighth of his 41-page (large print) book over at the Pest and Efail.

    Do you have a link? Thanks!

  49. avatar
    Reality Check April 23, 2018 at 3:16 pm #

    https://www.thepostemail.com/2017/11/19/imposters-oval-office/

    bob: Do you have a link?Thanks!

  50. avatar
    Reality Check April 25, 2018 at 12:04 pm #

    Here are a couple of paragraphs from Laity’s “book”:

    Jay came up with requiring a President and Vice-President to be a “Natural Born Citizen”. A Natural Born American would be a 100% American. He/she would be “Of the Blood” of Americans and “Of the soil” of America. He/she would have both Jus Soli and 100% Jus Sanquinis. No other type of Citizenship would suffice.

    John Jay, one of the founders was also our nation’s first Chief Justice of the United States of America. The other signers of the U.S. Constitution agreed with John Jay and they incorporated the mandatory criteria that a President must be born in the United States to Parents who were both American citizens themselves. Indeed, this is what all the founders knew as the definition of what a natural born citizen is.

    That is unadulterated horse hockey. There is nothing in the historical record to support this nonsense claim.

  51. avatar
    Pete April 25, 2018 at 11:06 pm #

    > Jay came up with requiring a President and Vice-President to be a “Natural Born Citizen”.

    False.

    > A Natural Born American would be a 100% American.

    False, at least in the sense he means it.

    > He/she would be “Of the Blood” of Americans and “Of the soil” of America.

    False.

    > He/she would have both Jus Soli and 100% Jus Sanquinis.

    False.

    > No other type of Citizenship would suffice.

    False.

    > John Jay, one of the founders was also our nation’s first Chief Justice of the United States of America.

    True.

    > The other signers of the U.S. Constitution…

    False, since this casts Jay as a signer of the Constitution. John Jay was not at the Constitutional Convention and did not sign the Constitution.

    > …agreed with John Jay and they incorporated the mandatory criteria that a President must be born in the United States to Parents who were both American citizens themselves.

    False.

    > Indeed, this is what all the founders knew as the definition of what a natural born citizen is.

    False.

    But he did get the part about John Jay being a founder and our nation’s first Chief Justice correct.

    So I guess he would count his overall score as “mostly true?”

  52. avatar
    Rickey April 26, 2018 at 2:01 pm #

    Pete:

    Laity also can’t spell “impostors.”

    Not to mention that even if his eligibility theory happened to be correct, neither Arthur nor Obama was an impostor. Chester Arthur really was Chester Arthur and Barack Obama really is Barack Obama.

  53. avatar
    Rickey April 26, 2018 at 2:05 pm #

    Trump isn’t going to be happy about the Special Master who has been appointed in the Cohen case. She was nominated to be a Federal judge by Bill Clinton and now she is in private practice, specializing in white collar and financial fraud cases.

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    Pete April 26, 2018 at 9:03 pm #

    Rickey: Not to mention that even if his eligibility theory happened to be correct, neither Arthur nor Obama was an impostor. Chester Arthur really was Chester Arthur and Barack Obama really is Barack Obama.

    I’ve figured it out.

    He’s accusing Arthur and Obama of having signed new tax bills into law.

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    Keith (not logged on) April 27, 2018 at 5:17 am #

    Rickey:
    Trump isn’t going to be happy about the Special Master who has been appointed in the Cohen case. She was nominated to be a Federal judge by Bill Clinton and now she is in private practice, specializing in white collar and financial fraud cases.

    Sure he will. No matter what the findings are, he can say it is all “crooked Hillary’s” fault due to the ‘obvious’ connection.

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    Reality Check April 27, 2018 at 9:54 am #

    I read the article that Dave B. linked above. The author made a good point about Jay’s letter to Washington. He never mentioned the president. He was referring to the commander in chief of the armed forces. When Jay wrote the letter in late July the Convention had not determined that the president would also be the commander in chief.

    Dave B.: Somebody kicked it, and birthers are raising the usual stink–

    Pete: > Jay came up with requiring a President and Vice-President to be a “Natural Born Citizen”.

    False.

  57. avatar
    Dave B. April 27, 2018 at 2:55 pm #

    I just don’t see the Jay letter being that big a deal. Supposedly, Jay had it in for von Steuben, and didn’t want to see him in a position to command the army. In an American University Law Review linked to at that Bloomberg article, Fordham University law professor Thomas Lee credibly points to Lafayette as being the one Jay had in mind, in spite of Jay’s admiration for Lafayette.
    What did the Federal Convention do? Make von Steuben and Lafayette, and men like them, as eligible to be president and commander in chief as Washington and Jay himself. Judging from what the record says, I think if they even knew about Jay’s suggestion, they rejected it.

    Reality Check: The author made a good point about Jay’s letter to Washington.

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    Pete April 27, 2018 at 10:02 pm #

    Reality Check:
    [Jay] never mentioned the president. He was referring to the commander in chief of the armed forces. When Jay wrote the letter in late July the Convention had not determined that the president would also be the commander in chief.

    Precisely.