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33 Responses to The Additional Open Thread: 60 kWh edition

  1. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy October 25, 2018 at 4:58 pm  (Quote) #

    So do you think the fellow who sent the pipe bomb to Obama was a birther?

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    Reality Check October 25, 2018 at 5:40 pm  (Quote) #

    You mean the #MAGABomber? I would say there is a good chance. Many of the MAGA’s are also Birthers.

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    Northland10 October 25, 2018 at 10:42 pm  (Quote) #

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he/she were a birther though I suspect that would not a primary motivator. They already are living in hate of all things liberal/progressive or the Democratic party so birtherism is just another way to hate.

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    Reality Check October 26, 2018 at 12:28 pm  (Quote) #

    This was on his Twitter account. Any long time reader here will recognize this tripe.
    https://twitter.com/hardrock2016/status/1051344458309148677

    Northland10: wouldn’t be surprised if he/she were a birther though I suspect that would not a primary motivator.

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    Northland10 October 26, 2018 at 1:22 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    This was on his Twitter account. Any long time reader here will recognize this tripe.
    https://twitter.com/hardrock2016/status/1051344458309148677

    Yep. He was not just somebody who had included some birther beliefs in his pantheon of hate, but was a full out birther believer. It does appear when it comes to his hate, he never goes small.

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    Reality Check October 26, 2018 at 3:37 pm  (Quote) #

    Thanks to Loren Collins here is more from his Twitter account.

    http://thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1037265#p1037265

    He is definitely a Birther.

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    Rickey October 27, 2018 at 3:25 am  (Quote) #

    In other news, Jerome Corsi is being investigated by Robert Mueller.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-jerome-corsi-roger-stone-clinton-emails-wikileaks-2018-10

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    Rickey October 27, 2018 at 3:44 am  (Quote) #

    Reality Check: This was on his Twitter account. Any long time reader here will recognize this tripe. https://twitter.com/hardrock2016/status/1051344458309148677

    His Twitter account has been suspended, so the link is no longer working.

    I keep seeing mentions of my home town popping up on the news because George Soros lives there. He and Martha Stewart are neighbors.

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    Reality Check October 27, 2018 at 10:50 am  (Quote) #

    Loren posted the contents of the hardrock2016 Twitter account in a PDF file at SCRIBD.

    https://www.scribd.com/document/391699642/Tweets-with-replies-by-Cesar-Altieri-hardrock2016-Twitter

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    Pete October 29, 2018 at 12:10 am  (Quote) #

    I took a look. I didn’t notice any particular birtherism.

    Not saying it isn’t there.

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    Reality Check October 29, 2018 at 11:12 am  (Quote) #

    Loren had posted several Tweets from one of Sayoc’s accounts at the Fogbow. It was typical anti Obama garbage claiming that he didn’t release any of his records and that Ann Dunham played in porn films.

    Unfortunately I don’t that PDF is text searchable.

    Pete:
    I took a look. I didn’t notice any particular birtherism.

    Not saying it isn’t there.

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    Pete October 30, 2018 at 11:52 am  (Quote) #

    I did see the Ann Dunham porn BS. But I just counted that as anti Obama garbage. To me, birtherism is more specific.

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    Rickey October 30, 2018 at 2:54 pm  (Quote) #

    I know that it will pop into my head on its own, but I’m looking for the legal term which describes a factual statement in a court decision which is not essential to the decision. For example, Wong Kim Ark’s parents were domiciled in the United States when he was born but the controlling fact is that he was born in the United States.

    Thanks.

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    Reality Check October 30, 2018 at 4:16 pm  (Quote) #

    Are you thinking of obiter dicta?

    Rickey: I know that it will pop into my head on its own, but I’m looking for the legal term which describes a factual statement in a court decision which is not essential to the decision

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    Reality Check October 30, 2018 at 4:21 pm  (Quote) #

    I recall some of the others. One was a reference to David Manning’s fake trial of Obama and another was the usual list of records the Birthers wanted on Obama.

    I have always included as Birthers those who bought into any of the conspiracy theories about President Obama’s background including the two parent citizen crowd, that he was adopted by his stepfather in Indonesia, that he got foreign scholarships to attend college, that his real father wasn’t Barack Obama, etc.

    Pete:
    I did see the Ann Dunham porn BS. But I just counted that as anti Obama garbage. To me, birtherism is more specific.

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    Rickey October 30, 2018 at 5:19 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check: Are you thinking of obiter dicta?

    That’s it. Thanks.

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    bob October 30, 2018 at 8:28 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check: I recall some of the others. One was a reference to David Manning’s fake trial of Obama and another was the usual list of records the Birthers wanted on Obama.

    Yup. And the fake Columbia identification.

    But the Manning fake trial sealed it for me.

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    Reality Check October 31, 2018 at 11:30 am  (Quote) #

    Probably the only useful things I learned from following the Birthers for all these years are the meanings of legal terms like obiter dictum and ratio decidendi.

    Rickey: That’s it. Thanks.

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    Reality Check November 1, 2018 at 4:15 pm  (Quote) #

    I enjoyed this paragraph from the article:

    But Corsi’s most penetrating smear campaign is the same one that helped forge his bond with Donald Trump. He is widely considered one of the early promoters of the so-called “birther” movement, which pursued the idea that former President Barack Obama was born in Kenya, not in America. The theory was debunked and widely denounced as baseless, racist vitriol. Corsi and Trump have long been blasted for not walking back their claims even after Obama produced his long-form birth certificate. In fact, it was only in the final stretch of his successful 2016 presidential bid that Trump finally acknowledged that Obama was born in the U.S.

    Rickey:
    More Jerome Corsi news.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/conspiracy-theorist-key-figure-mueller-builds-case/story?id=58886291

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    bob November 7, 2018 at 2:24 am  (Quote) #

    Birther election results:

    Tom Parker will be Alabama Supreme Court’s Chief Justice;
    Gary Kreep is trailing in his attempt to keep his judgeship;
    H. Brooke Paige won’t be Vermont’s next Secretary of State;
    Brian Kemp will likely be Georgia’s next governor;
    Steve King won re-election.

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    Reality Check November 7, 2018 at 11:08 am  (Quote) #

    Glad to see Kreep go down. Paige never had a chance. Kemp failed the Birthers miserably as SoS by upholding Malihi’s ruling. But the biggest Birther turd of them all is still President.

    bob: Birther election results:

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    bob November 7, 2018 at 11:29 am  (Quote) #

    Don’t think I forgot about Cody Judy!

    We won’t know until the results are certified as to exactly how many write-in votes he got. But I’m guessing somewhere in the neighborhood of one.

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    Reality Check November 7, 2018 at 11:01 pm  (Quote) #

    I will take the under on that.

    bob: Don’t think I forgot about Cody Judy!

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    Reality Check November 9, 2018 at 10:20 am  (Quote) #

    I think it is starting to sink in what a crushing defeat for Trump the election was.

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    Nancy "Zodiac" Owens November 10, 2018 at 3:23 pm  (Quote) #

    Corsi and Jeff Sessions look scared to death. It’s about time!

    Rickey: More Jerome Corsi news.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/conspiracy-theorist-key-figure-mueller-builds-case/story?id=58886291

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    Nancy Ruth Owens November 10, 2018 at 3:24 pm  (Quote) #

    Corsi and Jeff Sessions look scared to death.

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    Rickey November 12, 2018 at 5:53 pm  (Quote) #

    NBC News has just reported that Jerome Corsi has been told that he will be indicted for lying to Mueller’s investigators.

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    Reality Check November 12, 2018 at 11:53 pm  (Quote) #

    I know what Corsi said but I will believe it when I see it. I think Corsi may be playing the martyr to grift to help pay his legal expenses.

    Rickey:
    NBC News has just reported that Jerome Corsi has been told that he will be indicted for lying to Mueller’s investigators.

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    Pete November 13, 2018 at 2:11 am  (Quote) #

    I wonder whether orange is a flattering color on Corsi?

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    Rickey November 13, 2018 at 12:25 pm  (Quote) #

    Reality Check:
    I know what Corsi said but I will believe it when I see it. I think Corsi may be playing the martyr to grift to help pay his legal expenses.

    He has set up a legal defense fund. I wonder how many suckers will contribute to it.

    I haven’t looked at World Nut Daily in ages but I checked this morning and there is no mention of Corsi there.

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    Reality Check November 13, 2018 at 4:29 pm  (Quote) #

    I think Corsi and Wild Nut Daily parted ways did they not?

    Rickey: haven’t looked at World Nut Daily in ages but I checked this morning and there is no mention of Corsi there.

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    Northland10 November 13, 2018 at 8:36 pm  (Quote) #

    Rickey: He has set up a legal defense fund. I wonder how many suckers will contribute to it.

    I haven’t looked at World Nut Daily in ages but I checked this morning and there is no mention of Corsi there.

    They still have some of his books in their Superstore, but that’s about it, as far as I can tell.

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