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19 Responses to The additional open thread: They’re back.

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    Dr. Conspiracy January 25, 2019 at 6:21 pm #

    So is it birthers 2.0?

    Kamala Harris has put herself forward as a candidate for president and guess what? Non-citizen parents.

    Prepare For Birtherism 2.0: The Kamala Harris Edition

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    gorefan January 26, 2019 at 9:08 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: So is it birthers 2.0?

    Kamala Harris has put herself forward as a candidate for president and guess what? Non-citizen parents.

    Kris Anne Hall also tweets about this and gets it all wrong.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/KrisAnneHall/status/1088247538933735426

    A Virginia Law Review article discusses Wong Kim Ark and the meaning of domicile.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/24363229?read-now=1&seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

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    bob January 28, 2019 at 3:59 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: So is it birthers 2.0?

    I say it is Birthers 1.0. Yes, Jacob Wohl got attention birthering (and poorly at that: somehow Harris’ childhood time in Canada also renders ineligible?).

    But the bulk of the upcoming eligibility challenges (and, yes, they are coming) are going to be filed by the same old names: Laity, Kerchner, etc.

    And Mike Zullo was just on Carl Gallups’ show, discussing the two-citizen-parents fantasy.

    Everything old is new again.

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    Rickey February 7, 2019 at 2:27 am #

    Has Kerchner used the term “basic citizen” before, or did he just make it up?

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    Rickey February 7, 2019 at 1:23 pm #

    It’s interesting that the birthers haven’t brought up the issue of dual allegiance in regard to Kirsten Gillibrand, whose husband is a British national.

    What is the most obvious difference between Kirsten Gillibrand and Kamala Harris?

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    Rickey February 8, 2019 at 6:10 pm #

    I received an email from Roger Stone’s wife soliciting a contribution to his legal defense fund. How I got on the mailing list is unclear.

    She denies that they are millionaires but according to Zillow their house in Fort Lauderdale is worth $1.85 million.

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 10, 2019 at 8:59 pm #

    Rickey: Has Kerchner used the term “basic citizen” before, or did he just make it up?

    It’s from Apuzzo (2012).

    “The Fourteenth Amendment was passed only to give basic citizenship to blacks and to make “citizens” equal which did not include making them equal to “natural born Citizens” who are the only ones who are eligible to be President and Vice-President.”

    Tisdale v. Obama

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 11, 2019 at 9:46 am #

    Email from Geir Smith:

    Hello,

    I sent the post below to someone who’s interested in the birther movement.

    You can publish this post for all it matters to me.

    I’ve followed the birthers around like a sheep for ten years but now it’s enough. I opposed Obama because he registered as a Muslim in a school in Indonesia; and never because of his birth certificate. A couple of years after his election, I happened upon a senior lady posting to comments to birther articles who said she was Linda Joy Adams, Obama’s cousin.
    I thought that seemed strange because I imagined that being such a famous person, it didn’t seem normal for her to be posting alongside us ordinary people.

    Imagining she might be a loon, I went along with what she said and…. went with the flow. I took the things I thought were the least over the top and asked about how those things came about. She seemed normal and sane, but I couldn’t shake the feeling she was a loon. Therefore, I desisted in talking as often as possible. But each time I’d write back to her once very few weeks and we’d strike up our friendship little by little in that way, during a few years.

    I outlined the “safe” areas I was ready to talk about, such as her memories of Obama as a kid. But when she started giving me family-genealogy to other families in the Kansas area, such as Texas, Arkansas etc… and telling me their family was related to the Bushes, Clintons etc… I balked… because I was sure she was a loon when she started talking about those things.

    Then we honed in on Obama’s real father, that she said was lynched by the KKK in Kansas. For several months, she tried to find pictures of him in her HS yearbook. I kept asking what name she was looking for, but she said the family didn’t want Obama’s father’s name to be revealed for fear of the press.

    At the end of all that, I plead that she reveal the names of Obama’s father and of Obama. But she persisted and said it was not possible. So we left that at that for about two or three years.

    Meanwhile, I told her she should tell her story to the birthers and I gave her Orly Taitz’s e-mail and I also called up PPSimmons’ editor so as for him to contact the Joe Arpaio Cold Case Posse.

    But both were miserable failures. Because neither were able to communicate with a senior elder like Linda Adams who was going on her late 60s at that time and who had/has a very grave medical condition, as well.

    Don’t quote me, but I think Orly said Linda Adams was incoherent and/or “went off on diversions” on the phone. Orly may have forgotten that it’s very difficult for Americans to understand “the English” she speaks.

    All in all, Taitz just went to Kansas to file a lawsuit saying Obama was ineligible in Kansas. But she missed out on the whole bombshell she was sitting on, which was that she knew Obama’s real name. Yes, indeed, Linda told me she had told Orly Taitz and Mike Zullo Obama’s real name. (But still hadn’t TOLD ME!!!)

    So, the second person was thus Mike Zullo who called up Linda Adams from the Cold Case Posse.

    The following recap of the conversation between her and Zullo is what I heard from Linda Adams as she related it to me my mail. It’s very approximate and general as it appears in my memory so don’t quote me on it. But it’s accurate and complete enough.
    He wrote down everything she said and wanted to verify the facts himself with his archives and special files. He called back later again and said he had situated and talked to Stanley Dunham in Calif. (which is Obama’s grandfather’s name.) He said that Linda had lied to him saying Stanley Dunham was dead. Furthermore, he found Stanley Dunham worked for the CIA so Zullo said he had to stop the investigation.

    Linda then explained to me that Zullo got it all wrong.

    He doesn’t know or doesn’t want to grasp a crucial part of Stanley Dunham’s biography.

    He stole his cousin Stanley Dunham’s wallet to go to war in WWII because he was underage and was dodging some problems he had with the police as a kid.

    That’s how Obama’s grandfather Daniel Wayne Pope changed name to Stanley Dunham.

    Zullo talked to the real Stanley Dunham, not to Obama’s grandfather Daniel Wayne Pope. He didn’t realize that or maybe he just dons’t give a darn about the whole thing. It was botched anyways.

    The Stanley Dunham working for the CIA would rather be Obama’s grandfather I imagine, because he was known by the family to have worked for the CIA. I don’t know if the other Stanley Dunham worked for the CIA. In any case, Zullo was right on the facts when he said Obama’s grandfather worked for the CIA, his file didn’t lie to him/ He just had the wrong guy.

    Anyways, Zullo passed very close by uncovering one of the big discoveries of investigative journalism and detective work. He botched with mastery and bravado. he was within a hair’s breadth of pulling off an efficient investigation.

    I went to PPSimmons videos and complained in the comments about the clueless work he had done. The PPSimmons staff got so agitated by that, that Carl Gallups in person made a video calling me out and saying (if I remember right, don’t quote me on that) Linda Adams wasn’t a reliable witness. (I can’t remember exactly what he said but he made a whole video to discredit Linda as a witness.)

    So, make two columns: the birthers one one side and Linda and me on the other side, who criticize the birthers.

    They seem to be holding up the truth and trying to muffle the real truth from getting out. I wonder if the birthers work for Obama and want people to believe he’s born in Hawaii or Kenya just to hide that he’s born in Topeka, Kansas, to a father (Jim T. Parks) who was lynched by Democrat KKK types that were really Obama’s own relatives.

    So, Obama’s real name is Barry Parks. Rosa Parks is his uncle’s wife, i.e. his aunt. This is a bombshell.

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    Geir Smith February 11, 2019 at 5:29 pm #

    Thanks for publishing that Doc.

    I sent the news about Obama’s name of Barry Parks to all the birthers at WND, including Joseph Farrah, Pat Boone, Jack Cashill, Star Parker etc…a total of 25 reporters, but they don’t seem interested in revealing anything about Obama.

    They are like Energizer Bunnies that are stuck against a wall. They just keep repeating 24 7 the same story about Hawaii and Kenya.

    Orly Taitz and Mike Zullo had a bad experience with Linda Adams (that’s what Linda told me at least. I only know that by her.) so it seems they just botched the contact with her. But they didn’t take into account that at that time, she was already a very sick and old woman.

    If indeed they can be called “investigators”… who have public contact with witnesses, I assume they must have some kind of ethical rules and must require some kind of patience to work skillfully in bringing the witnesses to reveal things, because witnesses require coaxing to reveal the truth.

    So, I don’t get it: I’ve seen Detective Columbo films and he used very skillful techniques to get to the truth. I don’t think those birthers used any skillful patience in dealing with Linda Joy Adams.

    I don’t know if they even tried.

    I, on the other hand worked out a mutual trust very skillfully and patiently.

    I met Linda about eight years ago and we had very limited exchanges for about three years… and she disliked me openly. lol!

    Then I became a bit more like Colombo. Indeed, being a bit ashamed, I decided to behave with her and to ask her details about her claims. But, it was only after those three years that we started collaborating actively in sifting through the high school yearbooks’ photos that were online, and that was when I understood that she was the real deal. She had really been in Kansas back in the 60s alongside Obama’s mother, her (2d) cousin.

    Linda’s put all her family pictures on Flickr (see below) and I advise everybody to look carefully through all the pictures there and read all the comments which detail Obama’s Kansas family and relatives. Those include Ross Perot, Dick Cheney, the famous Hunt family, Laura Bush and many, many others.

    Obama comes from a very prominent and all-powerful, internationally-acclaimed family.

    These are Obama’s WHITE family. There’s no arguing that point. These are just simply his mother Ann Dunham’s family. It’s basic genealogy. This is not disputed. Any genealogist will connect Linda Adams to Ann Dunham in five minutes. Linda Adams gives all the names of their relatives, so there’s no secret there…

    What’s controversial, is her claim that Obama is the son of Jim T. Parks (Rosa Parks’ brother-in-law.). But her father Rev Tracy Hardy, (who married Ann Dunham and Obama Sr.) wrote an article in the Topeka newspaper denouncing the lynching of Jim T. Parks (Obama’s father) by the KKK.

    Linda’s trying to retrieve her father’s article from the Topeka Gov archives. But she can’t grapple with the new computerized system there. Linda’s now 73 and very sick.
    So if anyone can help this old lady in finding the article her father wrote about the lynching of Obama’s father in Kansas in 1961, thanks for that.

    As for a photo of Obama’s father Jim Parks, we don’t have a picture. But Rosa Parks’ family certainly has one, so we can get that from them. You can all help us in doing this investigation that should have been done by the birthers from DAY ONE.

    We just need to ask the Parks family for a picture. If anyone lives near Rosa Parks’ family, they can ask them if they have a picture of Obama’s real father Jim T. Parks.

    Linda Joy Adams Flickr account with pictures of Obama’s white family…with comments on who’s who in each picture is here:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/94185598@N05/

    Thanks for everything. We can make this investigation work!

  10. avatar
    Northland10 February 11, 2019 at 8:20 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Email from Geir Smith:

    SNIP

    So, Obama’s real name is Barry Parks. Rosa Parks is his uncle’s wife, i.e. his aunt. This is a bombshell.

    Alrighty Then.

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    Geir Smith February 12, 2019 at 4:49 am #

    Northland10: Alrighty Then.

    Sorry, for the long post; Did you get it all? Not too long to read? It’s a three-minute read. Too long for your span of attention?

    The good news is that I say Obama’s born in the USA. Linda Adams was a witness to his birth.

    That’s very good news. I also say Obama’s part of the Bush, Hunt, Cheney, Clinton (yes Obama’s also related to the Clintons), Ross Perot families.

    Linda Adams has pictures of those families with her in reunions.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/94185598@N05/9048036562

    She gives explanations of the family links in the comments which are excellent. It’s a long and patient work which she carried out to put all her pictures of her own and Obama’s family online.Thanks for reviewing it calmly. Do your research carefully.

    Don’t rush to conclusions as that’s the sign of little intelligence. It produces faulty conclusions which are worse than if you’d have remained silent all along.

    Thanks to all.

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    Rickey February 12, 2019 at 8:42 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Email from Geir Smith:

    She seemed normal and sane, but I couldn’t shake the feeling she was a loon.

    He should have stopped right there.

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    Geir Smith February 13, 2019 at 9:01 pm #

    Look at RC’s website for rebuttals by me.

    https://rcradioblog.wordpress.com/2019/01/04/how-did-we-get-here-part-2/#comments

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    Geir Smith February 14, 2019 at 11:30 am #

    Rickey: He should have stopped right there.

    Yeah, I should have stopped there….. but unfortunately I’m a scholar and I need to investigate things, before making up my mind.

    I saw how superficial the birthers were, that they didn’t even give a darn about the truth and listening to what Linda Adams had to say.

    I’m a university scholar in Tibetan translation. I’ve love to be carefree and rush to judgment. I’d love to go on witch hunts. I speak six languages: English, French and Norwegian as mother tongues… plus Tibetan, Spanish and German.

    I can’t make intolerant judgment of people, like the ignorant ugly birthers did with Linda Adams. They dishonored and shamed the Birther Movement.

    I’m counting on Dr. Conspiracy’s followers to right that wrong.

  15. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 15, 2019 at 7:52 am #

    Geir Smith: Thanks for publishing that Doc.

    My apologies for the delay in approving your first comment. Now that’s done they will appear immediately.

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    Reality Check February 16, 2019 at 8:45 pm #

    I pointed out on my blog in a reply to Geir Smith that Linda Joy Adams is just a kook. In 2008 she claimed that Barack Obama was the great-great grandson of Russian Czar Nicholas II and Alexandra. She makes idiotic claims without a shred of proof. She is no more credible than Crazy Nancy Owens.

    BTW: I am having an issue with Word Press and all of Smith’s comments are going into moderation even though they should not have after his first comment was approved. I have seen this happen another time and I do not have a fix for it.

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    Reality Check February 20, 2019 at 3:23 pm #

    Mario Apuzzo has found a new article on which to bloviate in the comments. It is at Conservative Daily News and concerns Kamala Harris’ eligibility.

    https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2019/02/is-kamala-harris-not-eligible-to-be-president/#comments

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    Reality Check February 20, 2019 at 6:08 pm #

    I see Geir Smith posted identical claims at Lucas Smith’s blog.

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 22, 2019 at 2:14 pm #

    Reality Check: I see Geir Smith posted identical claims at Lucas Smith’s blog.

    I never, never, ever go there.