Scientist:
“I must admit, though, that it is rather irritating to win and for the other side not to acknowledge it.”

Doc, you are a Southerner, I believe. Are there not some in your region who still maintain that the Union won through some kind of trick and that the Confederacy will return in some guise or another?

Quite a few in my high school graduating class.

Jim: I think Lisa Kudrow could play a ditzy blond.

S. Palin with a blonde wig would be more convincing.

Majority Will: Especially since Teapublican Coburn wants to make this political while search and rescue is still going on:

Coburn is a physician, and he is callous to those in need. He and Inhofe, along with the representatives and senators in OK and Texas, voted against Sandy aid.

What is wrong with those people?

Sef: Consider donating to Shelterbox.

I would like to advocate donating to animal shelters, instead. The animals there do not bite the hand that feeds them, unlike conservatives/libertarians.

And yes, I have volunteered at Philly PAWS.

ballantine: Therefore, one is left with a Congress making persons citizens at birth through its naturalization powers. There is no other legitimate argument. It is simply a fact that Cruz would be an alien if he wasn’t covered by such a statute. Such has always been our law. The question then I can Congress make natural born citizens through statute. If you don’t think so, then you are going to have a difficult time making an argument.

The argument is very simple.

If the HOW a person becomes a citizen is via Congressional act, WHEN does that person become a citizen?

If it is AT birth, then the person is a natural born citizen.
If it is sometime AFTER birth, the the person is not a natural born citizen.

‘natural born’ is a quality inherent in the circumstances, not something added, or ‘made’, or legislated, or defined in.

ballantine: I understand the argument. However, there is nothing in Wong Kim Ark that supports such interpretation and very little support in history.

ballantine: There is nothing in Wong Kim Ark that remotely suggests a foreign born person can be natural born.

Correct.

WKA was about a native born man, Wong Kim Ark. It was not about a foreign born person. Discussion of foreign born persons was in passing, part of explaining that the Congressional power to act with regards to foreign born persons was not applicable to the case.