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		<title>Supreme Court Justice Scalia believes natural born citizenship is jus soli</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jus soli citizenship is based on the land of birth and jus sanguinis is citizenship based on parentage. In the oral arguments of Tuan Anh Nguyen v. INS  (No. 99-2071), Justice Scalia made it clear that his view is that natural born citizenship, the requirement to be president, is based on jus soli (birth in [...]]]></description>
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<div id="attachment_4973" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 87px"><em> </em><em><a href="http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/scalia.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-4973" title="scalia" src="http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/scalia.jpg" alt="Justice Scalia" width="77" height="107" /></a></em><p class="wp-caption-text">Justice Scalia</p></div>
<p><em>Jus soli</em> citizenship is based on the land of birth and <em>jus sanguinis</em> is citizenship based on parentage. In the <a href="http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2000/2000_99_2071/argument">oral arguments of Tuan Anh Nguyen v. INS  (No. 99-2071)</a>, Justice Scalia made it clear that his view is that natural born citizenship, the requirement to be president, is based on <em>jus soli</em> (birth in the United States).</p>
<p>Here is the relevant section from the transcript:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Justice Scalia</strong>: &#8230; I mean, isn&#8217;t it clear that the natural born requirement in the Constitution was intended explicitly to exclude some Englishmen who had come here and spent some time here and then went back and raised their families in England?</p>
<p>They did not want that.</p>
<p>They wanted natural born Americans.</p>
<p><strong>[Ms.]</strong><strong>. Davis</strong>: Yes, by the same token&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Justice Scalia</strong>: That is<em> jus soli</em>, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p><strong>[Ms.]</strong><strong> Davis</strong>: By the same token, one could say that the provision would apply now to ensure that Congress can&#8217;t apply suspect classifications to keep certain individuals from aspiring to those offices.</p>
<p><strong>Justice Scalia</strong>: Well, maybe.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just referring to the meaning of natural born within the Constitution.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re disagreeing.</p>
<p>It requires <em>jus soli</em>, doesn&#8217;t it?</p></blockquote>
<p>The transcript is fascinating listening.</p>
<p>Thanks to NBC for the link! We have such GREAT commenters here!</p>
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		<title>International law and citizenship in the United States</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The consensus view today is that everyone born in the United States (with a few exceptions) is a natural born citizen, following the historical survey of the Supreme Court of New York in Lynch vs. Clarke and many subsequent court decisions, US Attorney general decisions, and books on the subject. Their view is that the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The consensus view today is that everyone born in the United States (with a few exceptions) is a natural born citizen, following the historical survey of the Supreme Court of New York in <em>Lynch vs. Clarke</em> and many subsequent court decisions, US Attorney general decisions, and books on the subject. Their view is that the common law of Britain is the source of this stream of history, and the place to turn to when defining terms used in the Constitution (as affirmed by the Supreme Court in <em>Smith vs. Alabama</em>).</p>
<p>In recent times a move is afoot to argue that citizenship at birth in the United States is only acquired by birth in the United States of citizen parents(s), following the philosophy of Emerich de Vattel in his book, <em>The Law of Nations</em>. They say that this is the view of the founders of the United States, who understood such concepts according to &#8220;international law&#8221; rather than &#8220;common law&#8221;. While de Vattel is just one commentator on international law, they say that his views control.</p>
<p>So to further the discussion, I offer the following text from the book <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ve4sAAAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PA615&amp;lpg=PA615&amp;dq=citizenship+by+conquest+sanguinis&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=HlYuhdEluz&amp;sig=fHm1VHjj0qnQDFP45ygEOFCUy-M&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=3E-_SpmrCpOf8Aari6ihAQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1#v=onepage&amp;q=citizenship%20by%20conquest%20sanguinis&amp;f=false"><em>INTERNATIONAL LAW, Chiefly as Interpreted and Applied in the United States</em></a> by Charles Cheney Hide, professor of law at Northwestern University (1922). Please refer to the original for <em>important footnotes</em>.</p>
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<p id="para.677.1.2.box.509.267.82.21.q.70" style="margin-left: 2em; text-align: center;">THE ACQUISITION OF AMERICAN NATIONALITY BY BIRTH</p>
<p id="para.677.1.3.box.486.320.134.69.q.80" style="margin-left: 2em; text-align: center;">a<br />
<span>Citizenship </span></p>
<p id="para.677.1.4.box.399.410.306.67.q.70" style="margin-left: 2em; text-align: center;">(1)<br />
By Right of Place. <em>Jure Soli </em>
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<p id="para.677.1.5.box.198.499.371.60.q.60" style="text-indent: 1em; text-align: center;">(a)</p>
<p style="text-indent: 1em;">§ 343. The Common Law.</p>
<p style="text-indent: 1em;">According to the common law every child born &#8220;within the ligeance and jurisdiction&#8221; of the King of England was regarded as his subject. It is not true that all persons born within the King&#8217;s domain were within his &#8221; ligeance and jurisdiction.&#8221; Thus, the child of an alien enemy born in British territory within hostile military occupation was regarded as outside thereof; likewise the child born within the realm whose father was an alien, and at the time of the birth of the child, a diplomatic officer accredited to the Crown by a foreign sovereign. As these were, however, the only instances where persons born within the royal domain failed to acquire English nationality, it became natural to assert as a rule of law, commonly known as the <em>jus soli, </em>that, subject to these exceptions, a person became a natural-born subject by reason of his birth within the King&#8217;s domain.<span id="more-4965"></span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span>(b)</span></p>
<p id="para.677.1.8.box.194.1057.473.26.q.70" style="text-indent: 1em;">§ 344. The Laws of the United States.</p>
<p id="para.677.1.9.box.191.1092.711.56.q.60" style="text-indent: 1em;">It was not until 1866 that any law was enacted in the United States indicating what persons born within its territory of alien parentage were to be regarded as nationals. Up to that time the opinion was oftentimes expressed, judicially and otherwise, that the rule of the common law would be followed, in cases where the parents were temporarily residing in the United States at the time of the birth of the child,<span> </span> as well as in those where they were domiciled therein.</p>
<p><span> </span></p>
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<p id="para.678.0.2.box.147.378.665.100.q.60" style="text-indent: 1em;">In 1866 the Civil Rights Act became a law. According to it all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.</p>
<p id="para.678.0.3.box.123.503.689.83.q.60" style="text-indent: 1em;">In 1868 the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution was declared ratified by a joint resolution of the Congress and was duly promulgated. It provided that</p>
<p id="para.678.0.4.box.146.606.664.77.q.70"><em>all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.</em><span> </span></p>
<p id="para.679.1.0.box.187.191.713.729.q.60" style="text-indent: 1em;">Prior to 1897, the Supreme Court of the United States had made no decision respecting the application of the Fourteenth Amendment to a child born within the United States to foreign parents.<span> </span> In that year, however, that Court, in the case of United States <em>v. </em>Wong Kim Ark, decided that a child born in the United States of parents of Chinese descent who, at the time of his birth, were subjects of the Emperor of China, and domiciled within the United States, where they were engaged in business, became, at the time of his birth, a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.<span> </span> In the opinion of the Court, delivered by Mr. Justice Gray, it was stated that the Amendment should be interpreted in the light of the common law; that the rule of that law respecting nationality by birth of a child of alien parents was in force in all of the English Colonies on the American continents until the Declaration of Independence, and continued to prevail thereafter in the United States; that there was little ground for the theory that at the time of -the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, there was any settled and definite rule of international law generally recognized by civilized nations inconsistent with the ancient rule of <span>citizenship </span>by birth within the dominion; that in the forefront both of the Amendment and of the Civil Rights Act of 1866, the principle of <span>citizenship </span>by birth within the domain was reaffirmed in the most explicit and comprehensive terms; that notwithstanding considerations that might influence the legislative or executive branch of the Government to decline to admit persons of the Chinese race to the status of citizens, there were none that could constrain or permit the judiciary to refuse to give full effect to the peremptory and explicit language of the Amendment.<span></span></p>
<p id="para.679.1.1.box.187.923.709.113.q.70" style="text-indent: 1em;">There appears to be no reason to anticipate a different conclusion in case the alien parents of a child born in the United States were temporary sojourners, and not domiciled therein. The Department of State is not, at the present time, in view of the decisions of the courts, disposed to raise a distinction based upon the domicile of the parents.</p>
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<p id="para.678.0.6.box.123.842.687.60.q.50">Following the exceptions of the common law, a child born in the United States would not be regarded as acquiring American nationality by birth, in case either the alien father was a diplomatic officer accredited to the United States, or in case the parents were alien enemies, and the birth of the child occurred in a place under hostile military occupation.</p>
<p id="para.680.0.3.box.455.453.29.25.q.70" style="text-indent: 1em; text-align: center;">(2)</p>
<p id="para.680.0.4.box.129.494.512.26.q.50" style="text-indent: 1em;">§ 345. By Right of Blood. <em>Jure </em><span><em>Sanguinis.</em></span></p>
<p id="para.680.0.5.box.126.528.686.139.q.60" style="text-indent: 1em;">By right of blood, <em>jure </em><span><em>sanguinis, </em></span>a child may at birth acquire the nationality of his father. Numerous States regard as their respective nationals children born to their own subjects or citizens in foreign lands. The United States makes such a claim, conferring its <span>citizenship </span>as well as its nationality upon children</p>
<p id="para.681.1.0.box.217.187.686.54.q.70">born under the following conditions specified in the Act of Congress of February 2, 1855 :</p>
<p id="para.681.1.1.box.239.259.664.151.q.70" style="text-indent: 1em;">All children heretofore born or hereafter born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, whose fathers were or may be at the time of their birth citizens thereof, are declared to be citizens of the United States; but the rights of <span>citizenship </span>shall not descend to children whose fathers never resided in the United States.</p>
<p id="para.681.1.2.box.215.436.688.275.q.70" style="text-indent: 1em;">The two conditions thus made essential to the acquisition of American <span>citizenship </span>by birth, in the case of a child born outside of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States are, the American <span>citizenship </span>of the father at the time of the birth of the child, and the residence of the father at some time within the United States. Residence of the father in an American community in a foreign State, where he is subjected to the extraterritorial jurisdiction of the United States, is not regarded by the Department of State as compliance with the statutory requirement that he shall have resided within the United States&#8230;.</p>
<p id="para.685.2.0.box.188.385.570.28.q.70" style="text-indent: 1em;">§ 348. The Attitude of International Tribunals.</p>
<p id="para.685.2.1.box.185.420.709.552.q.60" style="text-indent: 1em;">The inquiry whether the <em>jus soli </em>or the <em>jus </em><span><em>sanguinis </em></span>should be applied in determining nationality by birth has frequently confronted international courts of arbitration, where one State has demanded of another an indemnity in behalf of a person regarded by the latter as one of its own citizens. Neutral arbitrators have generally been agreed in requiring the sovereign which claimed an individual as a national to adhere to a position consistent with its own municipal laws or constitution.  Thus a State of which the law, based upon the <em>jus sanguinis<span>r</span> </em>does not provide for the acquisition of nationality by birth of a child born within its territory to foreign parents domiciled abroad, is not permitted to deny the right of the State of the parents&#8217; nationality to claim (if it may do so consistently with its own laws) that the child at birth became one of its nationals. In case of a conflict of laws, the opinion seems to have prevailed that the law of the State in which the individual resided when the claim arose should govern the question of his allegiance in so far as it was derived from or dependent upon the fact of his nationality by birth. It is to be observed, however, that the cases involving a conflict usually raise a question respecting the effect of certain acts or events alleged to have changed the nationality of the individual, rather than an issue concerning his nationality by birth.</p>
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		<title>Birthers waste millions in taxpayer dollars</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#8217;ve heard, I&#8217;m sure, the claim that Obama has spent some large amount of money (since the amount is a wild guess, specifics vary widely) keeping his birth certificate a secret. Those who follow these questions know that nothing Obama can do will make the Conspiracy Theorists withdraw. If he was born in Hawaii, then [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve heard, I&#8217;m sure, the claim that Obama has spent some large amount of money (since the amount is a wild guess, specifics vary widely) keeping his birth certificate a secret. Those who follow these questions know that nothing Obama can do will make the Conspiracy Theorists withdraw. If he was born in Hawaii, then he&#8217;s not a natural born citizen anyway. If a court rules the against them, it just means the judge is traitor. If <em>nothing </em>Obama can do (short of resigning) will have any effect on birther activity, then it is certain  that the birthers bear all of  the responsibility for all the public funds spent in dealing with birtherism.</p>
<p>What are those costs?</p>
<ul>
<li>Members of Congress are flooded with emails, letters and phone calls asking questions and making demands related to birther theories. Their staff read and answer the mail.</li>
<li>State officials, including secretaries of state, are pestered with birther questions.</li>
<li>FOIA requests (which in most cases are free to the requester) have been filed, and must be researched and responded to</li>
<li>The state and federal courts have been flooded with cases (at least 60 actions!) and many of the plaintiffs have asked that the filing fee be waived.</li>
<li>Many of the cases involve government defendants (state secretaries of state, Nancy Pelosi, the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, the Federal Elections Commission, Vice President Cheney, Secretary of State Clinton, Vice President Biden, Secretary of State Gates, various military commanders, the US House of Representatives and the US Senate &#8212; not to mention Barack and Michelle Obama). All of these are <em>defended at public expense</em>.</li>
</ul>
<p>Add up the time and effort of congressional staff, judges, law clerks, state officials and federal agency staffers. It&#8217;s got to be in the <em>millions</em>. Birthers are not harmless.</p>
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		<title>A thought from the past</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The late 1700&#8242;s occasioned a spirited debate over the qualifications of citizens, those aliens who desired to adhere to the United States and become members of American society. Some argued that only those born here should become citizens, and others argued for lengthy residence requirements. Nathaniel Macon of North Carolina gave us some words that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The late 1700&#8242;s occasioned a spirited debate over the qualifications of citizens, those aliens who desired to adhere to the United States and become members of American society. Some argued that only those born here should become citizens, and others argued for lengthy residence requirements. Nathaniel Macon of North Carolina gave us some words that I think are a caution to us in the present citizenship controversy:</p>
<blockquote><p>gentlemen in their zeal to get at particular persons, will go too far in this business</p>
<p>Sitgreaves, <em>Annals of Congress</em>, 5th Cong. 2d sess., 1572; 1780.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>&#8220;It’s an insult to his mother&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The utter lack of disrespect that some birthers show towards the president&#8217;s deceased mother appalls me, particularly the frequent claims that she is a &#8220;liar&#8221;. I was raised not to disrespect anyone&#8217;s mother, and particularly not a departed one, and I was taught not to call anyone a liar unless I was pretty damned sure [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_4570" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 108px"><a href="http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/stanley-ann.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-4570" title="stanley-ann" src="http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/stanley-ann.jpg" alt="Stanley Ann Dunham" width="98" height="115" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Stanley Ann Dunham</p></div>
<p>The utter lack of disrespect that some birthers show towards the president&#8217;s deceased mother appalls me, particularly the frequent claims that she is a &#8220;liar&#8221;. I was raised not to disrespect anyone&#8217;s mother, and particularly not a departed one, and I was taught not to call anyone a liar unless I was pretty damned sure it was true. What compounds the insult is that there is no evidence whatever to support the nasty speculation.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/05/us/politics/05zeleny.html">New York Times article</a> earlier this month, carried comments from Congressman Neil Abercrombie.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; Mr. Abercrombie, who has represented Hawaii for nearly two decades in Congress, was a close friend of Mr. Obama’s parents, who were students at the <a title="More articles about University of Hawaii" href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/u/university_of_hawaii/index.html?inline=nyt-org">University of Hawaii</a> in 1961. The president’s father, Barack H. Obama Sr., was from Kenya, but Mr. Abercrombie said the suggestion that the Obama baby was born in Africa is an absurd impossibility.</p>
<p>“He was born in Kapiolani Hospital, right down the street from where I lived,” Mr. Abercrombie said. “They had no money. I can’t imagine how they would get to Kenya. It makes no sense at all. It’s an insult to his mother.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree.</p>
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