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Santilli loose on the White House lawn?
Mike Volin was on the Pete Santilli radio show a few days ago. A YouTube video has part of the show, and a discussion. From the show:
Santilli: I’m going to offer this to Mike Zullo, all right? Do you believe, based on the information you have on your web site, the investigation that Sheriff Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse has investigated, do you believe that right now, that if you were to put everything into a basket, OK, or a brief case, that there is enough information, set aside “willing to” or “not willing to,” set that aside. Is there enough information right now that could get Barack Obama arrested if we apply the law, that he has broken the law and he needs to go behind bars, and of course in a court of law all this evidence needs to be presented. But is there enough evidence to throw him in jail?
Mike Volin: Absolutely, beyond any shadow of a doubt.
Santilli: OK, here’s what I am going to offer up to you. You ready? You can do this. I could call up Mike Zullo and offer this. I’m not going to. OK? I’m going to put out a challenge to Mike Zullo and Sheriff Arpaio. With the assistance of law enforcement, if they have information right now that shows that Barack Obama has committed fraud, has perpetrated fraud upon the American people, tell him I’ll meet him in front of the White House and I will volunteer with them, with with the assistance of law enforcement and the United States Marine Corps and the Secret Service, I will jump over, with the assistance of course of law enforcement, lawful and constitutional, of the front fence of the White House and go in there and deliver that information of course they probably will just let me go. They won’t stop me, of course. But if there’s enough evidence, OK, that he’s broken the law, I would be prepared in order to bring this to the American people. I’ll live stream it, if Zullo will meet me out front. I’m not going to wait until an election. If he wants to meet me, I’ll jump on a flight, right now and I will meet him in front of the White House, on principal, on law, on Constitutionality, and with the help of law enforcement, with the military, with the Secret Service, with the Department of Justice, all of those people, I’d volunteer do that. And if they want to arrest me, I’ll bring evidence to court to show that I am justified in doing so, on behalf of the people of the United States of America. Will you get that information to Mike Zullo?
This is what I heard in all of that. Pete Santilli, unwilling to stand for election, has made himself the representative of the American people, and has offered to lead a military coup against the President of the United States. While he talks about “Constitutionality,” he totally ignores the Constitution in several ways. He ignores the fact that our Founders set up a system of checks and balances, and it is the Congress of the United States that the Constitution assigns the power to remove a President upon conviction for “high crimes.” It is not assigned to the military, the Secret Service, the Justice Department, law enforcement or some talk show host. The second major unconstitutional flaw is in the Bill of Rights (part of the Constitution):
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger…
It is the opinion of prior US Attorneys General that a sitting President cannot be indicted or arrested for a crime. To allow that would impede the functioning of government and violate the separation of powers under the Constitution.
Santilli just wants to jump over the fence with his information. Of course Santilli would be arrested just like any other fruit cake who tries such a stunt. Santilli would never have the opportunity to present any of his birther “information” before the court because it is irrelevant to the crime of violating the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011. Who made Pete Santilli the representative of the American people? I seem to recall that Barack Obama is the one elected President.
After years of failure, missed deadlines, unkept promises and a solid public record of doing nothing, Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse commander Mike Zullo turns on the ones who made him, the birthers, blaming them for his lack of progress.
Recall in the beginning that Zullo came out into the media spotlight carried on the shoulders of birthers like Mara Zebest, Garrett Papit and especially Jerome Corsi. The first Cold Case Posse reports looked like material gathered from birther web sites and Jerome Corsi’s book. Indeed Zullo has said that his original job with the Posse was to vet information from Jerome Corsi. The problem seems to be that things were not objectively vetted, and birther critics were kept out of the loop. That’s probably how Zullo got caught presenting faked evidence (the infamous fake 1961 federal race code table); he used something a birther faked without checking. Indeed Zullo earned the media’s assessment of “long debunked” because he used old birther remnants as the foundation of his case before the jury of public opinion.
The widely-disproved notion that the president was born abroad rather than in Hawaii, as state officials have repeatedly confirmed, comes up regularly in Arizona.
– Fox News Latino (2012)
Zullo’s first dodge was to shift gears from law enforcement to lobbying Congress, but that was essentially left to the birthers, and notably to Mike Volin with his “Sheriff’s Kit” (now in a new edition). The Sheriff’s Kit has proved to be a 100% failure in getting any member of Congress on board.
Nowadays, Zullo has retreated back into the law enforcement tent where he can use law enforcement practices as an excuse to keep his progress secret. (Of course, Mike Zullo has never been certified as a law enforcement officer in Arizona, according to Executive Director Lyle Mann of Arizona Peace Officers Standards and Training).
What is Zullo’s perspective on these events? How does he explain his abject failure? He blames it, at least in part, on the very birthers who made him. He says that their ineptitude has destroyed his credibility and limited his options. Zullo and his mouthpiece Carl Gallups were on the Peter Boyles radio show yesterday (October 3) . Here’s the entire show playable from this page.
On the show, which was a supposed to be a reset/recovery from what Boyles called a “dust up” previously between Lawrence Sellin and Carl Gallups, and a later segment with Brian Reilly, Boyles tries to be conciliatory, saying:
It doesn’t help our cause when we internally fight.
Still the issue of Zullo’s 3-year lack of progress, the non-appearance of any “universe-shattering” revelations, and pretty much zero from Zullo™, didn’t go away.
[05:25] From that point [the 2nd press conference] forward that mandate [from Arpaio to vet Corsi’s information] stopped. The Sheriff wanted to get this to Congress. Was having difficulty. And part of the difficulty, Peter, was the fact that so many people, all over the Internet have weighed in on this, and made contact to Congress people with claims that are just unsubstantiated, and have muddied the waters. So the Sheriff changed the mandate and the he told me to take this in the direction now of a total law enforcement investigation.
What Zullo doesn’t appreciate is that he himself is one of those crazies hawking totally unsubstantiated claims. If Zullo were actually this important emissary from law enforcement that he describes himself to be, why is it that these “Congress people” didn’t see that? Why couldn’t they see that his evidence is substantiated? Zullo himself answers this question later on.
Zullo asserts his renewed investigation has “cultivated” evidence that doesn’t rely on “other people” and
[06:09]I’m hopping that in the very near future we’re going to be able to release that.
So mark the calendar—on October 4, 2014, Mike Zullo dangled the phrase “in the very near future” in front of the birthers, in reference to the “truth behind the document.” So anyone who might have gathered that Zullo had “moved on” from the birth certificate is wrong. Still Zullo wants to distance himself from the unwashed birther horde. He writes that his current mandate from Arpaio is to gather evidence to show:
[06:25] We are not birthers. We are here looking at a fraudulent document. This document should never have been perpetrated, should never have been proffered in the manner it does. As a matter of fact, to merely create this document is a federal offense. We’re concentrating on a fraudulent counterfeit1 document that was used to be proffered by Mr. Obama and his administration as proof positive that he’s an American citizen. We don’t have that evidence. We don’t have that proof of that claim. But that is what our mandate is.
No wonder Zullo can’t convince Congress: by his own words, Zullo admits that he doesn’t have evidence that proves the Obama birth certificate is fraudulent!
[07:27] This document has never been brought to trial. And if you go back on all these court cases, in a lot of these court cases, that people have burned jurisdictions on, that made it very difficult for us to proceed forward.
As best I can make out, Zullo is saying that birther lawsuits have precluded him taking some action. I’m not sure what Zullo thinks jurisdiction means. Zullo said on the Carl Gallups show back in 2013 that Orly Taitz "doesn’t understand what jurisdiction means…." None of the birther lawsuits were criminal cases, so how could they possibly impact one way or another, some putative future criminal prosecution. It is pretty well established, long before Obama came along, that a sitting president cannot be indicted for a crime. Arpaio could try to get an indictment (if he ever got some evidence), but nothing any birther did before has any relevance to that.
Mike Zullo says “the evidence has to support the allegation,” yet he says that he certain that Obama’s birth certificate is fraudulent, and that he doesn’t have the evidence to prove it. That seems to me to be a very weak position to be in. Zullo further states that he does not even have probable cause that Barack Obama’s social-security number is not legitimate.
My parting words for Carl Gallups: if you have to say that you are not being evasive, you probably are.
1Counterfeit: “made in exact imitation of something valuable or important with the intention to deceive or defraud.” Apparently Zullo doesn’t know what counterfeit means. Later in the interview, he describes it as a “fraudulent facsimile of an official state document.” Perhaps he doesn’t understand “facsimile” either.
Sometimes I attempt to get inside the heads of birthers. If this were a television show, the narrator would be saying about now, “do not try this at home.”
Certainly I can understand the desire to be distinctive, special. Birthers think that they are in a unique group that knows the truth, that are awake, and are not fooled by the government, media, nor by popular opinion. It’s an attractive idea to be “in the know.” Mike Volin is the image in my mind right now, and perhaps that is because he gets a little “inside hints” from the Cold Case Posse. Volin, Gallups and who knows how many other people, like [mumble] who paid for Reed Hayes, fall into that category.
It’s also attractive to feel like you’re making a difference and supporting an important cause. This is harder to understand because birthers haven’t made any difference and it’s hard to imagine how they could think otherwise. Trying too hard resulted in this:
Whatcha Gonna Do When They Come for You?
First, the title is just kidding. Obots don’t have any authority to offer anything in the way of protection to birthers. I’m just a retired guy who blogs. What I wanted to mention was two recent items where birthers are being singled out by other birthers as criminals.
The first is the obvious Douglas Vogt unsealed affidavit that charges Birther Princess Miki Booth with being part of the group forging Obama’s birth certificate. Some birthers were happy to take that and run with it.
The second is the charge from Carl Gallups that Douglas Vogt said things that were untrue in his unsealed affidavit before the U. S. Supreme Court. Gallups is right, by the way.
Meanwhile one wonders how many more birthers are going to get on the “Zullo is just stringing us on” bandwagon. That sentiment certainly has Carl Gallups upset.
Birthers have never gotten along that well because the prominent birthers want to be leaders, and you can’t have everybody being a leader. Conspiracy theorists are by nature lone researchers and they do not take kindly to competing theories. The messiest example was of course the lawsuit between several birthers, including Orly Taitz, Lisa Liberi and Phil Berg. Then just yesterday we had that whiny rant from Carl Gallups declaring Mike Zullo (and Gallups as his sole spokesperson) the only one who has accomplished anything for the birther movement, calling the rest “jealous.”
Conspiracy theories tend to develop factions—just look at all the Kennedy Assassination theories, or the LIH v. MIH factions for 9/11. Birthers are no different. Their theories include:
- Obama was born in Kenya
- Obama was born in Hawaii fathered by Frank Marshall Davis
- Obama was fathered by Malcolm X
- Obama isn’t related to the Dunhams
- Obama was born in Hawaii to Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. but ineligible anyway
- Hawaii is/is not in on it
- Nancy Owens forged the birth certificate
- Miki Booth and friend forged the birth certificate
Due to recent incidents of injury sustained by birthers after being thrown under the bus by other birthers, I am concerned that there may be a need for some public support for these victims. The most obvious recent example is the “birther princess” Miki Booth, accused by birther Douglas Vogt as the forger of Obama’s birth certificate (with help from innocent bystander Ah’Nee, Onaka, Fuddy, and me). Vogt has incredibly strong credibility in the birther community based on his impeccable credentials as a self-proclaimed expert and his status as a litigant. Booth is taking her licks from commenters at Birther Report and now responds in a BR article, calling Vogt “dangerous.”
The clueless Nathan Bickel urges Booth to chill out and not be so unhappy about being accused by Vogt of a felony:
It would seem that Miki Booth would be able to stand aside and be happy that the forgery issue of aka Obama is apparently getting some Supreme Court attention.
What birthers need to realize (and some already have) is that they will have to choose between Douglas Vogt and Mike Zullo. Tensions rise as some birthers become frustrated at the lengthening silence of Mike Zullo, prompting this response to our token birther, Jim Youngblood:
★FALCON★: You’re a loon Jim – telling everyone that the ZeroX 666-7779 must be refuted.
It’s time that the rest of you lying O-Holes come out, proudly. And admit your allegiance. You’re not fooling anyone who has been paying attention to your asinine posts.
Other birthers who didn’t follow the party line have been similarly castigated—like Nancy Owens and Martha Trowbridge. Orly Taitz is pretty much persona non grata outside her own circle of supporters, while she has taken Mike Zullo and Joe Arpaio to court to force them to testify, and has been highly critical of delays from the Cold Case Posse. Taitz accuses her own Super PAC of stealing her money in a Mississippi court filing.
BR commenter Marshman2 puts it succinctly:
Next week people will be calling Mike Volin a OBOT. Where does it end. Orly was called a plant. Vogt may have something and he may not. The Zullo release is what I am waiting for. Then for the repubs to take the senate. That’s when the patriots need to surround the White House until congress does something about the Obama fraud.
When I was growing up, some folks said, “Republicans eat their young.” I suppose the same can be said of any doctrinaire group, and especially the birthers.
The conspiracy theory literature characterizes the conspiracy theorist as a loner. In the birther movement we see a number of people who act primarily alone, but then expect others to accept them as leader. Orly Taitz is a great example, and the lone researcher continues to predominate. These folks think that their insights are self-evident and have a problem when everybody doesn’t jump on board.
Will the real forger please stand up?
I have pretty good intelligence that the real creator of Obama’s long-form birth certificate may be attending the anti-birther meetup in Philadelphia. Roxy7655 has volunteered to come up from the DC area to make copies for the group.
I laughed when I saw a scathing attack against me from Nathan Bickel at Birther Report, who inflicted the ultimate insult: de-friending me on Facebook. The irony is that Bickel was never my friend on Facebook in the first place–I never accept birthers as friends on Facebook. He admitted the mistake, but it still was good fun. He did block me on Twitter.
I see that Reality Check Radio has a show scheduled for tonight (Wednesday) to discuss the Vogt forger identifications. I hope to call in as John Doe #8 to answer any questions.
Orly Taitz Super PAC
Reports are that the Orly Taitz Super PAC has one of its “patriotic presentations” scheduled this weekend. It may be in Auburn, California. Watch for a bloom of OTSP bumper stickers next week.