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		<title>Drafting a definition for Natural Born Citizen (update)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m working on a definition for Natural Born Citizen to be submitted to the Urban Dictionary. The current definitions there are highly unsatisfactory and have net negative response from those who rate them. This blog has published definitions before including: Defining Natural Born Citizen Natural Born Citizen: Defined! (from a legal dictionary) Unfortunately my original [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m working on a definition for Natural Born Citizen to be submitted to the <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com">Urban Dictionary</a>. The current definitions there are highly unsatisfactory and have net negative response from those who rate them.</p>
<p>This blog has published definitions before including:</p>
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<li><a href="http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/05/defining-natural-born-citizen-part-2/">Defining Natural Born Citizen</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/03/natural-born-citizen-defined/">Natural Born Citizen: Defined!</a> (from a legal dictionary)</li>
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<p>Unfortunately my original article is far too long to fit the 1500 character limit of the Urban Dictionary, and in any case, I want something short and easy to read. So here is a draft for comment. Keep in mind that the following is just 38 characters under the limit, so I can&#8217;t add anything substantial without removing something else.</p>
<blockquote><p>A US Circuit Court said &#8220;all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together.&#8221; <em>US v. Rhodes</em> (1866). This principle has been cited approvingly by subsequent courts including the US Supreme Court in <em>US v. Wong Kim Ark</em> (1898) that said:</p>
<p>&#8220;The 14th Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including children here born of resident aliens, &#8230; The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States.&#8221; <span id="more-5006"></span></p>
<p>Every nation has the exclusive right to determine by its own laws who are its citizens and who shall rule it, and therefore the Constitution and laws of the US (and no other country) determine who is born within its allegiance.</p>
<p>Current law would include as natural born citizens:</p>
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<li>All persons born within the US (including Puerto Rico, Guam, and the US Virgin Islands) except the children of ambassadors</li>
<li>Persons born outside of the US to citizen parents (subject to certain restrictions in the legislation).</li>
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<p>Full details of current law are included in the US State Department&#8217;s <em>Foreign Affairs Manual</em>, Volume 7, Section 1100 http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps as an example I could add:</p>
<blockquote><p>A<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=cJENAAAAYAAJ&amp;printsec=titlepage&amp;dq=%22natural+born+citizen%22&amp;as_brr=1&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;source=gbs_summary_s&amp;cad=0"> legal dictionary from 1904</a> said:</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Every person born within the United States its territories or districts whether the parents are citizens or aliens is a natural born citizen within the sense of the Constitution and entitled to all the rights and privileges pertaining to that capacity Town of New Hartford v Town of Canaan 5 Atl, 360, 364, 54 Conn. 39 (citing Rawle Const. U. S. p. 86). See also Lynch v Clarke (N. Y.) 1 Sandf.  Ch. 584,  2 Kent,  Comm. (9th Ed.); McKay v Campbell (U. S.) 16 Fed. Cas. 157; Field Int. Code 132, Morse Citizenship § 203.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>Update!</strong></span></p>
<p>The above definition was submitted to the Urban Dictionary and was rejected by the editors (the Urban Dictionary is edited by anybody that signs up to be an editor&#8211;all that is required is a valid email address) without explanation. However another accurate and concise definition was submitted and accepted. It has been well received, and I support it.</p>
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		<title>When will the Birthers be happy?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again, we read a long discussion, with a rational-sounding style, laying out the facts, so it appears, about citizenship in the United States. Is it reasonable and is it true? Our guest commentator has doubts, and responds to When will the Birthers be happy? ARTICLE SAYS: World Net Daily, has actively covered many of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, we read a long discussion, with a rational-sounding style, laying out the facts, so it appears, about citizenship in the United States. Is it reasonable and is it true?</p>
<p>Our guest commentator has doubts, and responds to <a href="http://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profiles/blogs/when-will-the-birthers-be">When will the Birthers be happy?</a></p>
<hr /><em><strong>ARTICLE SAYS</strong>: World Net Daily, has actively covered many of these issues relating to Obama&#8217;s eligibil[i]ty over the last 8 months and have a collection of all eligib[i]lity related articles. See <a href="http://bit.ly/147bkD">http://bit.ly/147bkD</a></em></p>
<p><strong>RESPONSE</strong>: Interesting to note that, before the issue seemed such a potential publicity boon, WND reported that its own experts determined the COLB to be authentic:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;OBAMA&#8217;S CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH UTILIZING FORGERY EXPERTS ALSO FOUND THE DOCUMENT TO BE AUTHENTIC. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren&#8217;t originally there.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>WND also reported that the claims that Obama lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child is not supported by US citizenship law:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;In short, the suit claims Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child [ITALICS IN ORIGINAL(Editor's note: This point is not supported by U.S. citizenship law)END ITALICS]; may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries. &#8230;.</p></blockquote>
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<hr /><em><strong>ARTICLE SAYS</strong>: Other Senators, like Mel Martinez, believed that Presidential candidates are vetted by the &#8220;voters.&#8221; Needless to say that these members of Congress made it into the &#8220;hall of shame&#8221; for the simple reason that they turned a blind eye to legitimate concerns of American Citizens. See <a href="http://bit.ly/147bkD">http://bit.ly/147bkD</a></em></p>
<p><strong>RESPONSE</strong>: Mel Martinez was RIGHT in contending that, at least at the first instance, Presidential candidates are – and should be – vetted by the voters.</p>
<p>As eloquently stated in Sen. McCain&#8217;s Motion to Dismiss Hamblin v. Obama (D. Az.):</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The Constitution indicates that issues relating to a candidate’s eligibility for the Office of President rest, in the first instance, with the VOTERS and then with the ELECTORAL COLLEGE, the constitutionally created body responsible for selecting the President of the United States. See U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 2 &#8220;Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct,&#8221; electors for the President and Vice President; id. amend. XXIII, § 1. The Constitution’s commitment to the Electoral College of the responsibility to select the President subsumes the authority to decide whether a presidential candidate is qualified for office because the examination of a candidate’s qualifications is an integral component of the electors’ decision-making process. If a court were to sit in judgment of a candidate’s qualifications, its judgment could &#8220;inappropriately interfer[e]&#8221; with the Electoral College’s constitutional authority to elect the President and to evaluate the qualifications of the candidates seeking that office. &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Constitution also provides that, after the Electoral College has voted, further review of a presidential candidate’s eligibility for office, to the extent such review is required, rests with CONGRESS. Where no candidate receives a majority of the electoral votes, the Constitution commits to the House of Representatives the authority to select the President and, in so doing, to evaluate the candidates’ qualifications. See 8 U.S. Const.. amend. XII. Similarly, the Twentieth Amendment explicitly grants Congress the responsibility for selecting a President when a candidate elected by the Electoral College does not satisfy the Constitution’s eligibility requirements. See id. 11 amend. XX, § 3 &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Both the House and Senate have standing committees with jurisdiction to decide questions relating to presidential elections. &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Constitution therefore provides that, in the first instance, the selection of the President &#8211; and the evaluation of a candidate’s qualifications &#8211; should be made by the VOTERS and politically accountable bodies without judicial participation. VOTERS and electors can choose not to vote for a candidate they believe to be ineligible, and members of Congress can object to electoral votes as they are counted. 3 U.S.C. § 15. IF A COURT WERE TO PASS UPON THE ELIGIBILITY OF A CANDIDATE TO HOLD THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT – A DETERMINATION RESERVED FOR THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE AND CONGRESS &#8211; IT MAY INVOLVE ITSELF IN POLITICAL MATTERS FOR WHICH IT IS INSTITUTIONALLY ILL-SUITED, AND INTERFERE WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE AND CONGRESS TO EVALUATE THE QUALIFICATIONS OF PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES.</p>
<p>&#8220;Accordingly, the political question doctrine instructs [the] Court[s] to refrain from superseding the judgments of voters and those governmental bodies the Constitution designates as the proper forums for determining McCain’s eligibility to hold office. If the Court were to make this determination &#8211; as it must to resolve Hamblin’s claims &#8211; it risks disrupting the Constitution’s carefully calibrated separation of powers &#8211; &#8220;the absolutely central guarantee of a just Government.&#8221; &#8230;.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://tiny.cc/MonNBC">http://tiny.cc/MonNBC</a> @ 8-10 (some internal citations omitted for readability).</p></blockquote>
<hr /><em><strong>ARTICLE SAYS</strong>:  Obama&#8217;s 1st day in office, he signed an executive order to limit the access to Presidential Records. See <a href="http://bit.ly/147bkD">http://bit.ly/147bkD</a></em></p>
<p><strong>RESPONSE</strong>: The article has the facts completely backwards. Once again, reading the source rather than someone&#8217;s characterization of the source is useful.</p>
<p>The fact is that Obama Executive Order 13479 **expanded** access to Presidential Records by</p>
<p>(a) revoking Bush&#8217;s Executive Order 13222 that limited access to Presidential Records, and<br />
(b) restoring Reagan&#8217;s Executive Order 12667.</p>
<p>Source:<br />
Obama Executive Order 13489 @ <a href="http://tiny.cc/EO13489">http://tiny.cc/EO13489</a><br />
&#8212;&gt;Note Sec. 6: &#8220;Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is revoked.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bush Executive Order 13233 @ <a href="http://tiny.cc/EO13223">http://tiny.cc/EO13223</a><br />
&#8212;&gt;Note Sec. 6: Executive Order 12667 of January 18, 1989, is revoked.</p>
<p>Reagan Executive Order 12667 @ <a href="http://tiny.cc/EO12667">http://tiny.cc/EO12667</a></p>
<hr /><em><strong>ARTICLE SAYS</strong>: &#8220;It appears that shortly after Obama Sr. and Obama&#8217;s mother, Ann Dunham split up, Ann got married to Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian Citizen who adopted Obama when Ann and Obama Jr. returned to Indonesia with him to live.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><strong>RESPONSE</strong>:</p>
<p>A. There is, to date, no facts or evidence to prove that Obama was adopted by Soetoro. (Notably, the article fails to cite any such evidence.) Moreover, even if he was adopted under Indonesian law, that law simply could NOT strip his US citizenship. See <a href="http://tiny.cc/WYE_Indonesia">http://tiny.cc/WYE_Indonesia</a> for more on that issue.</p>
<p>B. The US State Department has, officially – &#8220;in court&#8221; (i.e., while subject to under Rule 11 penalties), declared that Obama was never adopted by Lolo Soetoro and never became an Indonesian citizen. See, e.g., ¶37-38, 48, 50 @ <a href="http://tiny.cc/StrunkGovAns">http://tiny.cc/StrunkGovAns</a></p>
<hr /><em><strong>ARTICLE SAYS</strong>:  &#8220;Indonesian law at the time did NOT allow for dual citizenship.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><strong>RESPONSE</strong>:</p>
<p>A. There is, to date, no facts or evidence that Indonesian law at the time did not allow for dual citizenship. (Again, the articles cites to no such evidence.) This &#8220;theory&#8221; was originally offered by Phil Berg, with multiple &#8220;citations&#8221; to Indonesian law. However, if one actually READS the laws he cites (the ones that exist), those laws simply do not say what he says they say. See <a href="http://tiny.cc/OC_Indonesia">http://tiny.cc/OC_Indonesia</a> for more info.</p>
<p>B. Moreover, whatever Indonesian law at the time (or today), the fact is that US law determines US citizenship and under US law, a minor cannot lose his citizenship merely by virtue of his relocation, the adoption by a non-US citizen, or even his parent&#8217;s attempt to &#8220;renounce&#8221; his citizenship. See <a href="http://tiny.cc/WYE_Indonesia">http://tiny.cc/WYE_Indonesia</a> for more info.</p>
<p>C. The US State Department has, officially – &#8220;in court&#8221; (i.e., while subject to under Rule 11 penalties), declared that Obama was never adopted by Lolo Soetoro and never became an Indonesian citizen. See, e.g., ¶37-38, 48, 50 @ <a href="http://tiny.cc/StrunkGovAns">http://tiny.cc/StrunkGovAns</a></p>
<hr /><em><strong>ARTICLE SAYS</strong>: &#8220;If Obama WAS an Indonesian citizen he would have had to renounce his Indonesian Citizenship as an adult to reassume US Citizenship. There is no record, however, of Obama doing this. Therefore, again, more questions than answers.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><strong>RESPONSE</strong>:</p>
<p>This is a &#8220;red herring,&#8221; given that (a) Indonesian law does not provide what the article contents it provides and (b) regardless of what Indonesian law provides, that country cannot &#8220;trump&#8221; US law on the issue of who, under US law, is a US citizen.</p>
<hr /><em><strong>ARTICLE SAYS</strong>: &#8220;Yes, Obama&#8217;s mother, Ann Dunham and Obama Sr. visited Kenya while Dunham was pregnant with Obama. There is credible evidence that indicates that because Dunham was so far along in her pregnancy, she might not have been able to board a plane to fly back to the states.</em></p>
<p><strong>RESPONSE</strong>: Notably, there is no citation to any alleged &#8220;credible evidence&#8221; of an Ann Durham trip to Kenya while pregnant with Obama? If you have some, I&#8217;d love to see it.</p>
<hr /><em><strong>ARTICLE SAYS</strong>: &#8220;Obama&#8217;s Kenyan grandmother has also made the statement that she (granny) was present at Obama&#8217;s birth and there is much hoop-la in Kenya that Obama is a &#8220;son of Kenya&#8221; and that he was &#8220;born&#8221; in Africa.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><strong>RESPONSE</strong>:<br />
A. Obama&#8217;s Kenyan STEP-grandmother was misquoted (and a recording clipped to say) that Obama was born in Africa when, in fact, she repeatedly and emphatically stated (on the same FULL recording) that Obama was born in Hawaii. See <a href="http://tiny.cc/SOSpeaks">http://tiny.cc/SOSpeaks</a></p>
<p>B. The US State Department has, officially – &#8220;in court&#8221; (i.e., while subject to under Rule 11 penalties), declared that Obama was born within the state of Hawaii and NOT in Kenya. See ¶36 at <a href="http://tiny.cc/StrunkGovAns">http://tiny.cc/StrunkGovAns</a></p>
<hr /><em><strong>ARTICLE SAYS</strong>: &#8220;Read what Alexander Hamilton in Federalist No.68, writes: &#8220;Indeed, the &#8221;chief magistrate&#8221; who is also Commander-in-Chief has to grow from the soil.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><strong>RESPONSE</strong></p>
<p>This is a perfect example of the type of inaccuracies contained throughout this and other articles challenging Obama&#8217;s eligibility based on flawed facts and flawed reasoning.</p>
<p>A.  Federalist No 68 does NOT include your purported Hamilton quote.  READ IT!!! <a href="http://tiny.cc/Fed68">http://tiny.cc/Fed68</a> That quote is simply *not* there.</p>
<p>The article attributes to Alexander Hamilton a statement made by Balint Vazonyi, Director of Center for the American Founding, in connection with a 2000 push to amend the Constitution to allow foreign-born citizens (i.e., naturalized) to become President. (See <a href="http://tiny.cc/NotFed68">http://tiny.cc/NotFed68</a> at page 22.)</p>
<p>B. In any event, &#8220;Grow from the soil&#8221; is a reference to<em> jus solis</em>, the principle that citizenship is based on LOCATION of birth – as opposed to <em>jus sanguinis</em>, the principle that citizenship is based on PARENTAGE.</p>
<p>See, e.g., <em>Jus Solis</em> @ <a href="http://tiny.cc/JusSolBD">http://tiny.cc/JusSolBD</a> compared to <em>Jus Sanguinis</em> @ <a href="http://tiny.cc/JusSangBD">http://tiny.cc/JusSangBD</a></p>
<p>C. The fact is that throughout the history of US jurisprudence, with the exception of cases now overturned, harshly criticized, and/or abrograted by statute (e.g., Dred Scott), legal scholarship has consistently, overwhelmingly held that a &#8220;natural born&#8221; or &#8220;native born&#8221; citizen (used interchangably) means born in the USA &#8211; regardless of parentage.</p>
<p>See compendium of legal scholarship at <a href="http://tiny.cc/NBCDefined">http://tiny.cc/NBCDefined</a>.  See also compendium of US Supreme Court cases on the issue at <a href="http://tiny.cc/SCtonNBC">http://tiny.cc/SCtonNBC</a> and more at <a href="http://tiny.cc/OC_NBC">http://tiny.cc/OC_NBC</a></p>
<p>For more information on &#8220;Natural Born Citizen&#8221; and Vattel, oft-quoted in this and other similar articles, see <a href="http://tiny.cc/OC_Vattel">http://tiny.cc/OC_Vattel</a> &amp; <a href="http://tiny.cc/OC_Vattel">http://tiny.cc/OC_Vattel</a>2</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;QUERY&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<blockquote><p>IF &#8230; &#8220;natural born citizen&#8221; really means &#8220;born of two US citizen parents,&#8221; and if Wong Kim Ark (<a href="http://tiny.cc/WKA">http://tiny.cc/WKA</a>) does not stand for the proposition that a person born in the US is a natural (or native) born citizen regardless of his parents &#8230;<br />
THEN, &#8230; why did so many conservative groups file briefs in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, 542 U.S. 507 (2004) strongly urging the Supreme Court to &#8220;reverse&#8221; 100 years of jurisprudence to find that birthright citizenship means born of two US parents? I mean, if the issue is settled, as this and other similar articles seem to contend, why would the groups be asking the Supreme Court to &#8220;reverse&#8221; current law? And if &#8220;born US citizen&#8221; means something different than &#8220;natural born&#8221; citizen, why did these briefs advocate for reversal of Wong, and adoption of the dicta in Happersett?</p></blockquote>
<hr /><em><strong>ARTICLE SAYS</strong>: &#8220;However, originalists look at the founders intent, therefore, they conclude that a class of citizens should be considered &#8220;natural born&#8221; today only if they would have been considered natural-born citizens under the law in effect at the time of the framing of the Constitution.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><strong>RESPONSE</strong></p>
<p>A. I agree that &#8220;originalists&#8221; look to founders&#8217; intent. (This does not, however, mean that only original intent is applicable, but that&#8217;s another issue.)</p>
<p>B. An &#8220;originalist&#8221; starts with applicable laws – common law and statutory law – in effect at time of the particular law at issue. Yet the article totally ignores that, as discussed rather extensively in Lynch v. Clarke, the law of ALL THIRTEEN colonies, and ALL THIRTEEN states at the time of the Revolution and drafting of the Constitution provided that a person born OF THE SOIL (of colony or state) was a natural born citizen regardless of that person&#8217;s parentage:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It may then be safely assumed, that at the Declaration of Independence, by the law of each and all the thirteen states, a child born within their territory and liegeance respectively, became thereby a citizen of the state of which he was a native.</p>
<p>This continued unchanged to the time when our National Constitution went into full operation. There is no evidence of any alteration of the rule in any of the states during the period that intervened; and the references which will be made under another head, show conclusively that there had been no intermediate change to their policy.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://tiny.cc/NBC_OI">http://tiny.cc/NBC_OI</a>. at pp. 243-44.</p></blockquote>
<p>The court continued:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It is a necessary consequence, from what I have stated, that the law which had prevailed on this subject, in all the states, became the governing principle or common law of the United States &#8230;. If there had been any diversity on the subject in the state laws &#8230; it is reasonable to believe that the framers of the constitution would have borne in mind, and enacted a uniform rule, or authorized Congress to establish one. THE ENTIRE SILENCE OF THE CONSTITUTION IN REGARD TO IT FURNISHES A STRONG CONFIRMATION, NOT ONLY THAT THE EXISTING LAW OF THE STATES WAS ENTIRELY UNIFORM, BUT THAT THERE WAS NO INTENTION TO ABROGATE OR CHANGE IT. The term citizen, was used in the constitution as a word, the meaning of which was already established and well understood. &#8230;.&#8221;<br />
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<a href="http://tiny.cc/NBC_OI">http://tiny.cc/NBC_OI</a> at pp. 246 (emphasis supplied).</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Mass hysteria is not a constitutional crisis</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I visited Bravenet.com and commented on this statement I found there: &#8220;Well, it’s not quite as simple as all that and the sooner we can all be satisfied that Obama is or is not a natural born citizen, the better. To postpone that finding for a year or two and then find, conclusively, that Obama [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><div id="attachment_1285" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 148px"><a href="http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/drconspiracy.jpg"><img src="http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/drconspiracy.jpg" alt="Dr. Conspiracy" title="drconspiracy" width="138" height="110" class="size-full wp-image-1285" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Dr. Conspiracy</p></div>I visited <a href="http://pub29.bravenet.com/forum/2442810129/show/991473">Bravenet.com</a> and commented on this statement I found there:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Well, it’s not quite as simple as all that and the sooner we can all be satisfied that Obama is or is not a natural born citizen, the better. To postpone that finding for a year or two and then find, conclusively, that Obama is not eligible to serve as president would be disastrous.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That question was settled the day Congress certified Obama&#8217;s election as President. Those of us who eat and breathe this subject have tracked every doubt back to its foundation in &#8212; well, its foundation in nothing.</p>
<p>The main piece of evidence Obama was born in  Kenya is a tape recording attested to by a fake-named African con man which if listened to in full to says Obama was born in Hawaii. That&#8217;s followed by the incredible fantasy that Hawaii will happily give anybody body anywhere a birth certificate that says they are born in Hawaii (citing laws that didn&#8217;t exist at the time, and which don&#8217;t say what is claimed). And of course the fake named document expert who signed his affidavit in California &#8220;XXXXXXXXXXXX&#8221;.<span id="more-2673"></span></p>
<p>Then there is the demonstrably false assertion Obama became a citizen of Indonesia &#8212; something impossible BOTH under Indonesian and US law. And the demonstrably false urban legend that Obama traveled to Pakistan under a non US passport because of a travel ban &#8212; despite US State Department documents that say there was no travel ban, or even a difficulty to go to Pakistan.</p>
<p>Then there is the creation out of thin air of a &#8220;two citizen parents rule&#8221; for a president, based on some Swiss philosopher, and flying in the face of all the laws, court decisions, and scholarly writing that exists by Americans.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, mass hysteria is not a constitutional crisis. It is a mental health crisis, and a lack of basic skills in critical thinking.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent hundreds of hours compiling facts and evidence to make this clear, trying to find every possible approach to rescue folks from the spell of disinformation. I&#8217;m now getting around 400 visitors every day. If you have an open mind, check out the evidence. If you have made up your mind, then no investigation or court decision will make any difference.</p>
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		<title>Orly Blog Soetoro Fact Check</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Orly's Recent Post by "Linda O" Proclaims Proof that Obama used the name Barry Soetoro at Occidental. There is a biography of Barry Soetoro&#8217;s Occidental College days. It states that when Barry Soetoro was 18-19 he attended school as BARRY SOETORO. And it wasn&#8217;t until he met a girl by the name of REGINA that was the [...]]]></description>
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<p><tt>Orly's Recent Post by "Linda O" Proclaims <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/proof-obama-went-by-barry-soetoro-at.html" target="_blank">Proof that Obama used the name Barry Soetoro at Occidental</a>.<span id="more-1660"></span></tt></p>
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<td>There is a biography of Barry Soetoro&#8217;s Occidental College days. It states that when Barry Soetoro was 18-19 he attended school as BARRY SOETORO. And it wasn&#8217;t until he met a girl by the name of REGINA that was the first to start calling him Barack. See: http://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/04/11/obama-at-occidental-college/</p>
<p>The importance of this is that it clearly shows that Barry was using his Indonesian name, and of course, his Indonesian passport.</td>
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<p><tt><strong><span style="color: #cc0033;">FALSE</span></strong>.  The <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/04/11/obama-at-occidental-college" target="_blank">biography</a> makes no mention of his last name or any alleged use of the Soetoro name.  The biography simply states </tt></p>
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<blockquote><p><tt> </tt><tt>"<strong>She accepted Obama the way he was.</strong> He did not have to put on an act for her. She was <strong>one of the first to call him Barack</strong> instead of Barry. She said Barack was a beautiful name."</tt></p>
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<p><tt>Obama, per reports, was called Barry by his friends and family from infancy - before he moved to Indonesia - and until, at Occidental, he made the decision to go by his birth name. </tt></p>
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<p><tt><strong><span style="color: #cc0033;">FALSE</span></strong>.  The biography also makes no mention of any use of an Indonesian passport and, in the fact that people began to call him Barack rather than the nickname Barry has no relevance whatsoever to what passport Obama may have used. </tt></p>
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<td>The International Herald Tribute (The Global issue of the New York Times) also states: http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/08/america/obama.php</p>
<p>&#8220;Nearly three decades ago, Barack Obama stood out on the small campus of Occidental College in Los Angeles for his eloquence, intellect and activism against apartheid in South Africa. But Obama, then known as Barry, also joined in the party scene.&#8221;</td>
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<p><tt><strong><span style="color: #cc0033;">MISLEADING</span></strong>.  The <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/08/america/obama.php" target="_blank">International Herald Tribu*<em>n</em>*e article</a> merely stated the well-known and undisputed fact that friends and family called Obama "Barry" rather than "Barack" from early childhood until, at Occidental, he made the decision to go by his birth name. It makes no mention whatsoever of any last name used.</tt></p>
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<td>The LA Times also claims below that Barry was the choice of names that Barry Soetoro used when he first arrived from Hawaii to Occidental:</p>
<p>http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/29/local/me-oxy29</p>
<p>&#8220;Memories of 1980 at Occidental College’s Haines Hall have the standard fragments of the era: stereos blasting the B-52’s through the dorm, pot-fueled bull sessions about the revival of draft registration, late-night cramming for economics exams.</p>
<p>&#8220;That otherwise private nostalgia took on public significance this month when a former Haines Hall resident from Hawaii known at the time as Barry announced that he was forming an exploratory committee to run for president of the United States.&#8221;</td>
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<p><tt><strong><span style="color: #cc0033;">FALSE</span></strong>.  The <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/29/local/me-oxy29" target="_blank">LA Times Article</a> merely stated the well-known and undisputed fact that friends and family called Obama "Barry" rather than "Barack" from early childhood until, at Occidental, he made the decision to go by his birth name. It makes no mention whatsoever of any last name used.</tt></p>
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<td>Even Occidental College states that Newsweek reported that Barry entered their college as BARRY SOETORO under his Indonesian passport and NOT as Barack Obama.</p>
<p>http://www.oxy.edu/x8270.xml</p>
<p>It was at Occidental where he stopped being called “Barry” and became Barack Obama, Newsweek pointed out in its account of Obama’s formative years that featured his black-and-white freshman photo on the cover. “It was when I made a conscious decision: I want to grow up,” he told the magazine.</td>
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<p><tt><strong><span style="color: #cc0033;">FALSE</span></strong>.  The <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.oxy.edu/x8270.xml" target="_blank">Occidental College article</a> merely stated the well-known and undisputed fact that friends and family called Obama "Barry" rather than "Barack" from early childhood until, at Occidental, he made the decision to go by his birth name. It makes no mention whatsoever of any last name used.</tt></p>
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<td>One of Barry Soetoro&#8217;s college buddies says this of our Indonesian student:</p>
<p>http://www.verdugomonthly.com/article.php?id=382&amp;IssueNum=32</p>
<p>&#8220;Tom Moyes remembers the first time he heard the name Barack Obama. It was in the fall of 2004, after the electrifying speech Obama delivered at the 2004 Democratic Convention. That was the oration, of course, which introduced the young would-be Illinois Senator to America and inspired an instant following not only in the U.S. but around the world. Moyes had missed the speech because he was on an extended vacation in New Zealand at the time. “So I pick up this newspaper,” says Moyes, who grew up in San Gabriel and graduated from Occidental College in Eagle Rock, “and it has this huge article about this guy Barack Obama. And it says he had gone to Occidental at the same time I was there. And I said to myself, ‘There’s no way.’ I’d never heard the name Barack; I’m thinking it must be a mistake. “So I call a friend I went to Oxy with, Ken Sulzer, and I say, ‘Ken, I’m down here in New Zealand and there’s this article about some guy named Barack that went to college with us. Who is that?!’” “I said, ‘That’s Barry, man,’” says Sulzer, using the nickname Obama went by during his youth, “the guy with the big afro who lived across the hall from me in the dorm.’</td>
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<p><tt><strong><span style="color: #cc0033;">MISLEADING</span></strong>.  According to the <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.verdugomonthly.com/article.php?id=382&amp;IssueNum=32" target="_blank">Verdugo Monthly article</a>, Tom Moyers was just recalling the well-known and undisputed fact that friends and family called Obama "Barry" rather than "Barack" from early childhood until, at Occidental, he made the decision to go by his birth name. It makes no mention whatsoever of any last name used.</tt></p>
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<td>It is clear that the students at Occidental did not know Barry Soetoro by the name of OBAMA. Instead he was using his Indonesian name and passport. This story cleverly hides the fact that the confusion came not from the first name Barry or Barack, but because of the LAST NAME Soetoro vs. Obama.</td>
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<p><tt><strong><span style="color: #cc0033;">FALSE/UNSUBSTANTIATED</span></strong>. Not a single person of the many interviewed, as reported in the links above, recalled Obama using the name "Barry Soetoro." Every person recalled him being called "Barry." If any had recalled him using a different last name, it is unreasonable to say that they failed to mention that aspect entirely. </tt></p>
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<p><tt>There is no credible information whatsoever that Obama ever used and Indonesian passport. The law - of both Indonesia and the US - at the time <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.yestodemocracy.com/yes_to_democracy_no_to_pu/2009/01/grasping-at-toothpicks-bergbirther-update.html" target="_blank">precluded him from becoming an Indonesian citizen and from losing his US citizenship</a> and the allegation that a US travel ban re: Pakistan has been thorougly <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="../2008/12/barack-obama-traveled-to-pakistan-on-an-indonesian-passport/" target="_blank">debunked by reference to official US State Department records</a>.</tt></p>
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<td>Okay so why did Barry suddenly change his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Obama a year after he entered school? (I don&#8217;t believe that REGINA story above.) It was simple. His mother and adopted dad got divorced in August of 1980. So naturally, when he entered Occidental in 1979 he used his Indonesian name&#8230;then immediately after his mom&#8217;s divorce he desired to revert back to his birth name of Barack Obama.</td>
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<p><tt><strong><span style="color: #cc0033;">HILARIOUS</span></strong>. After citing the "Regina story" as "proof" that Obama was called "Barry," she now says that she doesn't believe the story.  This is not unexpected. She and others selectively quote from the AP photo of Obama's Indonesian School Records, which indicates that his mother or step-father listed his citizenship as Indonsian -- while rejecting the statement a few lines away that indicates that he was born in Hawaii.</tt></p>
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		<title>Factchecking Lynn Stuter&#8217;s latest</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Factchecking Lynn Stuter&#8217;s latest, The Traitors in Congress, NewsWithViews.com, Jan. 13, 2009. Ms. Stuter continues her record of continually publishing provably inaccurate information as &#8220;true&#8221; and &#8220;undisputed fact.&#8221; Let&#8217;s take a look at her latest missive. Lamenting that Congress certified President Obama as President-Elect, accepting the Electoral College vote, Ms. Stuter then purports to cite a list [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p align="left"><strong>Factchecking <a href="http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter138.htm" target="_blank">Lynn Stuter&#8217;s latest, The Traitors in Congress, NewsWithViews.com</a>, Jan. 13, 2009.</strong></p>
<p align="left">Ms. Stuter continues her record of continually publishing provably inaccurate information as &#8220;true&#8221; and &#8220;undisputed fact.&#8221; Let&#8217;s take a look at her latest missive.</p>
<p align="left">Lamenting that Congress certified President Obama as President-Elect, accepting the Electoral College vote, Ms. Stuter then purports to cite a list of &#8220;undisputed facts&#8221;<span id="more-1050"></span> &#8211; as follows:</p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>1.</strong> Barack Hussein Obama has not been vetted or certified eligible to the office of president of the United States by any agency tasked to do so or authorized to do so.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE</span></strong>. This statement is belied by the introductory paragraph of Stuter&#8217;s own article! As she notes, Congress &#8211; without objection &#8211; unanimously certified the Electoral College Vote for Obama. In so doing, under Amendment 20, Congress certified that Obama is eligible to serve. Were he not eligible, such objection would have been raised.</p>
<p align="left">Moreover, all states followed state law regarding the process for certifying candidates for the ballot. Obama and/or the DNC complied with all documentation requirements proving his eligibility to serve.</p>
<p align="left"><em><span style="color: #ff3300;">Thus, at a minimum, this is a disputed allegation. Stuter&#8217;s contention that it is undisputed fact is false.</span></em></p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>2.</strong> Not one American citizen, not one Senator, not one Representative has seen, touched or examined Barack Hussein Obama’s vault copy Hawaii birth certificate. While October 31, 2008, Dr Chiyome Fukino, Department of Health, Hawaii, <a href="http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf" target="_blank">issued a press release</a> in which she stated that she had “seen and verified” that a Hawaii birth certificate for Obama did exist; she did not state what was on it nor did she state that it showed that Obama was born in Hawaii.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE</span></strong>.  As shown by Fukino&#8217;s <a href="http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf" target="_blank">Press Release</a>, two people recently saw, touched, and examined Obama&#8217;s vault copy. (As stated by Fukino&#8217;s press spokesperson following that release, Fukino&#8217;s statement meant that <a href="http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html" target="_blank">yes, Obama <em>was</em> born in Hawaii</a>.)</p>
<p align="left">Additionally, at least some Hawaii Health Bureau officials saw Obama&#8217;s original birth certificate in 1961, as reflected in the official Health Bureau Statistics records, published in August 1961, shown <a href="http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2008/09/reports-that-ob.html#LocalNewspaper" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2008/09/reports-that-ob.html#StarBulletin" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p align="left">Finally, although to be sure, no Senator, Representative, or other person has held a press conference or appeared on radio/TV shows to tout as much. However, this does not mean that none of them have actually seen, touched, or examined the certificate. It merely means that they did not feel the need to hold a press conference to that effect.</p>
<p align="left"><em><span style="color: #ff3300;">Thus, at a minimum, this is a disputed allegation. Stuter&#8217;s contention that it is undisputed fact is false.</span></em></p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>3.</strong> The Certification of Live Birth (COLB) that Obama has been waving about is not a “birth certificate” as he claims, as the mainstream media claims, as <a href="http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html" target="_blank">FactCheck.org</a> and <a href="http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate" target="_blank">FighttheSmears.com</a> claims. The COLB is a short form, computer printed document deriving the information printed thereon from a database of information <em>supposedly</em> (See #13 and #14 below) taken from the original long form vault copy Hawaiian birth certificate.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE</span></strong>.  Although the COLB is a computer-generated document, if certified by official Hawaii DOH seal, it is <a href="http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg" target="_blank">prima facie evidence of the information contained therein</a>.  Moreover, a certified Hawaii COLB is acceptable proof of US citizenship for all state and federal purposes, including proving citizenship to obtain a US Passport. [Source:  <a href="http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html" target="_blank">US State Department Passport Process</a> - <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/howto/w2w/w2welcom.htm" target="_blank">Birth Certificate</a> - <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/howto/w2w/hawaii.htm" target="_blank">Hawaii</a> - <a href="http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records" target="_blank">Hawaii DOH</a>]</p>
<p align="left"><em><span style="color: #ff3300;">Thus, at a minimum, this is a disputed allegation. Stuter&#8217;s contention that it is undisputed fact is false.</span></em></p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>4.</strong> Factcheck.org claims to be a non-partisan organization. Factcheck.org is funded by the <a href="http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/" target="_blank">Annenberg Foundation</a> on whose board Obama sat. Factcheck.org is about as non-partisan as is Obama. The Annenberg Foundation has never passed up a chance to fund a “progressive” (a.k.a., Marxist) cause.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE</span></strong>.  Obama <em>never</em> sat on the board of the Annenberg Foundation.  He sat on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, one of hundreds of organizations funded by the Annenberg Foundation &#8212; whose surviving benefactor endorsed McCain in the 2008 election. [<a href="http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2008/10/is-factcheckorg.html" target="_blank">Source, with links to original sources</a>.]</p>
<p align="left"><em><span style="color: #ff3300;">Thus, at a minimum, this is a disputed allegation. Stuter&#8217;s contention that it is undisputed fact is false.</span></em></p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>5.</strong> Hawaii has a law, <a href="http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm" target="_blank">HRS 338-17.8</a>, which allows for the birth registration of a child born in a foreign country so long as one parent is a U.S. citizen and so long as that parent claimed Hawaii as his or her permanent residence for one year prior to the birth. Stanley Ann (Dunham) Obama met both of these requirements.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">MISLEADING</span></strong>.  It is <em>true</em> that Hawaii <em>has </em>the referenced law.  However, <a href="http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm" target="_blank">that law was passed in 1982</a>, long after Obama was born (&#8220;[L. 1982.]&#8220;). Thus, it is irrelevant whether Obama&#8217;s mother &#8220;met&#8221; any requirements set forth therein &#8211; the law simply didn&#8217;t exist at the time.</p>
<p align="left"><em><span style="color: #ff3300;">Thus, at a minimum, this is a disputed allegation. Stuter&#8217;s contention that it is undisputed fact is false.</span></em></p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>6.</strong> If Obama was born in Hawaii, he is, at best, a dual citizen. At his birth, his father was a British subject as Kenya was a British colony. Dual citizenship precludes Obama from eligibility under Article II, Section 1, United States Constitution. Prior cases decided by the United States Supreme Court, involving the determination of “natural born” have used Vattel’s “<a href="http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/vattel/">The Law of Nations</a>” definition which states, “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” (<a href="http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/vattel/vatt-119.htm" target="_blank">Part I, Chapter 19, Section 212</a>). Factcheck.org states that Obama was a <a href="http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html" target="_blank">dual citizen at birth</a>.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE/MISLEADING</span></strong>.  It is <strong><em>true</em></strong>, based on all credible <a href="http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2008/09/reports-that-ob.html" target="_blank">evidence</a>, that Obama was born in Hawaii.  It is also <strong><em>true</em></strong> that at birth, his father was a British subject.</p>
<p align="left">However, it is <span style="color: #ff3300;"><em><strong>false</strong></em></span> that dual citizenship precludes Obama from eligibility under <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html" target="_blank">Article II of the Constitution</a>.</p>
<p align="left">It is also <strong><em>true</em></strong> that the U.S. Supreme Court&#8221; cited to Vattel&#8217;s treatise, THE LAW OF NATIONS, in <a href="http://supreme.justia.com/us/169/649/case.html" target="_blank"><em>U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark</em>, 169 U.S. 649, 708 (1898)</a>.  However, what Stuter fails to note is that &#8211; well &#8211; the <em>dissent</em> in that case:</p>
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<li>It was th<span style="color: black;">e <strong><em>dissenting opinion &#8211; not the majority opinion</em></strong> &#8211; that referenced Vattel&#8217;s work (as representative of one group&#8217;s <em>views </em>during the pre-Revolutionary period) (at p. 708);
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<li><span style="color: black;">The <strong><em>Court (majority)  rejected the &#8220;citizenship by parentage&#8221; rule</em></strong></span><strong><em><span style="color: #ff3300;"> </span></em></strong>(i.e., the view set forth by Vattel), holding that Wong Kim was a citizen at birth (i.e., a natural born citizen; not a naturalized citizen), because he was born in the US, and even though his two parents were Chinese subject. (at p. 705).</li>
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<p align="left">In other words, in <em>Wong Kim Ark</em>, the U.S. Supreme Court<em> expressly rejected the argument that a person born in the U.S. to non-citizen parents not a natural born citizen</em> &#8212; the very same argument Stuter continues to make.</p>
<p align="left">Stuter refers to plural &#8220;cases.&#8221;  Given that she fails to identify the cases, it&#8217;s difficult to determine what other case she may be referencing.</p>
<p align="left">Note also that in the <em>only </em>case to directly consider this specific issues &#8211; presidential eligibility of a person born in the US to non-citizen parents, the court emphatically stated that such person <em>qualifies</em> to be president.  In <a href="http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/Lynch_v_Clarke_1844_ocr.pdf" target="_blank"><em>Lynch v. Clarke</em>, 3 N.Y.Leg.Obs. 236, 246-47, 1 Sand. Ch. 583 (1844)</a>, the court stated, in <em>dicta</em>:</p>
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<p align="left"><span style="color: black;">The term <em>citizen</em>, was used in the constitution as a word, the meaning of which was already established and well understood. And the constitution itself contains a direct recognition of the subsisting common law principle, in the section which defines the qualification of the President. &#8220;No person except a <em>natural born citizen, or</em> a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President,&#8221; &#8230; The only standard which then existed, <em>of a natural born citizen</em>, was the rule of the common law, and no different standard has been adopted since<strong>. Suppose a person should be elected President who was native born, but of alien parents, could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the constitution? I think not. The position would be decisive in his favor that by the rule of the common law, in force when the constitution was adopted, he is a citizen.</strong>&#8221; </span></p>
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<p><em><span style="color: #ff3300;">Thus, at a minimum, this is a disputed allegation. Stuter&#8217;s contention that it is undisputed fact is false.</span></em></p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>7.</strong> If Obama was born in Kenya, he was, at birth, a British subject as Kenya was a British colony. American law, at that time, required that Stanley Ann (Dunham) Obama be a <a href="http://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html" target="_blank">minimum of 19 years of age</a> at his birth to confer to him her American citizenship if he was born outside the United States; she was only 18 years old when Obama was born.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE ASSUMPTION</span></strong>. This IF/THEN statement is based on a false assumption. As discussed above, all credible information (some of which is summarized <a href="http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2008/09/reports-that-ob.html" target="_blank">here</a>) indicates that Obama was born in Hawaii and, under applicable law, that makes him a &#8220;natural born citizen&#8221; eligible under <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html" target="_blank">Article II of the Constitution</a>.  See also, #8, below.</p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>8.</strong> Barack Hussein Obama’s paternal step-grandmother has stated before witnesses, said witnesses signing affidavits, that she was witness to the birth of Obama in Kenya. See <a href="http://www.obamacrimes.info/103008Affidavit%20of%20Bishop%20Ron%20McRae.pdf" target="_blank">here</a>, <a href="http://www.obamacrimes.info/103008Affidavit%20of%20Reverend%20Kweli%20Shuhubia.pdf" target="_blank">here</a>, and <a href="http://www.obamacrimes.info/103008Exhibits%20for%20Affidavit%20of%20Bishop%20Ron%20McRae.pdf" target="_blank">here</a>.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE/MISLEADING</span></strong>. Stuter refers to an early part of a taped interview, and to affidavits reporting those selected parts (and other information).  However, if one listens to the entire so-called &#8220;<a href="http://s16v.com/americasright/8167169.wma" target="_blank">Grandmother Tape</a>,&#8221; (particularly 5:50-8:00), it is clear that Obama&#8217;s step-grandmother stated that Obama (Jr.) was born in Hawaii.  See also <a href="http://www.blogordie.com/2008/11/the-smoking-grandmother/" target="_blank">here</a>, <a href="http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2008/09/was-obama-bor-1.html" target="_blank">here</a>, and <a href="http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2008/09/was-obama-born.html" target="_blank">here</a> for additional information regarding the alleged Kenyan birth.</p>
<p align="left"><em><span style="color: #ff3300;">Thus, at a minimum, this is a disputed allegation. Stuter&#8217;s contention that it is undisputed fact is false.</span></em></p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>9.</strong> Michelle Obama has stated that Barack Hussein Obama was <a href="http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=999611" target="_blank">adopted by his step-father</a>, Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE/UNSUBSTANTIATED</span></strong>. Stuter refers to a comment on a bulletin board, reflecting the now widely-discredited API story about a so-called &#8220;API-Michelle Tape.&#8221; Though promised in late October, no such tape has ever surfaced and there is no credible evidence that it exists. <em>See also</em> this <a href="http://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/%e2%80%9cips-are-farmed-women-are-used-k-is-the-enemy-not-each-other%e2%80%9d-by-one-of-five/" target="_blank">recent post</a> about a group of former &#8220;API-believers.&#8221;</p>
<p align="left"><em><span style="color: #ff3300;">Thus, at a minimum, this is a disputed allegation. Stuter&#8217;s contention that it is undisputed fact is false.</span></em></p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>10.</strong> When Barack Hussein Obama was registered at the <a href="http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/" target="_blank">Fransiskus Assissi Primary School</a> in Jakarta, Indonesia, his father was listed as Lolo Seotoro; his citizenship as Indonesian; his name as Barry Soetoro.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">TRUE</span></strong>.  According to the <a href="http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns06D" target="_blank">AP photo</a> of the school registration page, Obama was listed as an Indonesian citizen, and as Barry Soetoro. Note also that according to that same photo, Obama&#8217;s birthplace was listed as Hawaii.  Thus, <a href="http://www.yestodemocracy.com/yes_to_democracy_no_to_pu/2009/01/a-very-valid-point.html" target="_blank">to the extent Stuter relies on this document as evidence of any alleged Indonesian adoption, its clear statement that Obama was born in Hawaii deserves the same weight</a>.</p>
<p align="left"><em><span style="color: #ff3300;">Thus, at a minimum, this is a disputed allegation. Stuter&#8217;s contention that it is undisputed fact is false.</span></em></p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>11.</strong> When Stanley Ann (Dunham) Soetoro divorced Lolo Soetoro in 1980, <a href="http://decalogosintl.org/documents/Soetoro_Divorce.pdf" target="_blank">the divorce papers</a> show they had two children: one minor child (Maya), one over 18 (Barack)</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">TRUE</span></strong>.  Irrelevant to Obama&#8217;s citizenship, but the divorce papers did show on minor child and one child over 18.</p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>12.</strong> When Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, became an Indonesian citizen, his British citizenship would have been terminated; if he was born in Hawaii, also his American dual citizenship. Indonesia does not allow for dual citizenship.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE</span></strong>.  First, whatever Obama&#8217;s parent/step-parent elected to include on his school registration form,  Indonesian law in 1962 <em>prevented</em> Obama from becoming an Indonesian citizen, as discussed in this <a href="http://www.yestodemocracy.com/yes_to_democracy_no_to_pu/2009/01/grasping-at-toothpicks-bergbirther-update.html" target="_blank">article</a> and, therefore, Obama could not have become an Indonesian citizen even if Soetoro had adopted him.</p>
<p align="left">Second, US law in 1962 prevented Obama from losing his US citizenship, regardless of any actions taken by his parent and/or step-parent in Indonesia, as discussed <a href="http://www.yestodemocracy.com/yes_to_democracy_no_to_pu/2009/01/grasping-at-toothpicks-bergbirther-update.html" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2008/10/did-obama-becom.html" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p align="left"><em><span style="color: #ff3300;">Thus, at a minimum, this is a disputed allegation. Stuter&#8217;s contention that it is undisputed fact is false.</span></em></p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>13.</strong> Returning to the <a href="http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate">COLB</a>. This document, as waved about by Obama, may be authentic on its face (See #14), but it is not accurate. Were it accurate, it would show Lolo Soetoro as his father; his name as Barry Soetoro.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE/UNSUBSTANTIATED</span></strong>.  There is no credible evidence that Obama was legally adopted by Soetoro.</p>
<p align="left"><em><span style="color: #ff3300;">Thus, at a minimum, this is a disputed allegation. Stuter&#8217;s contention that it is undisputed fact is false.</span></em></p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>14.</strong> The <a href="http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate">COLB</a> Obama waves about lists the race of his biological father as “African.” African is not a race any more than American is. This brings into question the authenticity of the COLB Obama is waving about as his “birth certificate.”</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE ASSUMPTION</span></strong>. The fact that Obama Sr., a Kenyan native, listed his race as &#8220;African&#8221; in no way calls into question the validity of the COLB.</p>
<p align="left"><em><span style="color: #ff3300;">Thus, at a minimum, this is a disputed allegation. Stuter&#8217;s contention that it is undisputed fact is false.</span></em></p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>15.</strong> If Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, did become an American citizen, he became a naturalized American citizen which precludes him from eligibility under Article II, Section 1, United States Constitution. There has been no proof presented that he is even a naturalized American citizen.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE ASSUMPTION</span></strong>. As discussed above, all credible information indicates that Obama was born in Hawaii and, under applicable law, that makes him a &#8220;natural born citizen&#8221; eligible under <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html" target="_blank">Article II of the Constitution</a>.</p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>16.</strong> Barack Hussein Obama has multiple aliases: Barry Soetoro, Barry Dunham, Barry Obama, Barack Soetoro, Barack Dunham. When he registered with the American Bar Association, he listed none of these as is required by law. Unless he had his name legally changed to Barack Hussein Obama after his adoption, of which there has been no proof presented, Barry Soetoro is his real name and Barack Hussein Obama is an alias.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE</span></strong>. This claim has been clearly and unequivocally debunked by, among others, Jeff Schreiber at America&#8217;sRight.com <a href="http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/berg-v-obama-update-wednesday-august-27.html" target="_blank">here</a>; see also <a href="http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2008/09/did-obama-lie-o.html" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p align="left"><em><span style="color: #ff3300;">Thus, at a minimum, this is a disputed allegation. Stuter&#8217;s contention that it is undisputed fact is false.</span></em></p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>17.</strong> All his passport records, education records, medical records, birth records have become “not available” to the public. Those records show where he was born, if he applied for or received aid as a foreign student, the country or countries from which he has received passports.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE ASSUMPTION</span></strong>. If such records are not available, it is impossible to determine what they might say. Stuter makes nefarious assumptions based on the fact that, <em>like McCain and other candidates</em>, Obama did not release all prior records to the public during the campaign.</p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>18.</strong> His <a href="http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html" target="_blank">selective service registration</a> appears to be fraudulent. If he was a naturalized American citizen when he turned 18, and he <a href="http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/2008/081126/FrntPgRegister.html" target="_blank">failed to register</a> with the selective service, he is barred from holding any position in government, elected or otherwise.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE ASSUMPTION</span></strong>. PajamasMedia has <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-did-obama-actually-register-for-selective-service/2/" target="_blank">confirmed</a> with US officials that Obama registered for the draft.  Thus, the IF/THEN statement is based on a false assumption.</p>
<p align="left"><em><span style="color: #ff3300;">Thus, at a minimum, this is a disputed allegation. Stuter&#8217;s contention that it is undisputed fact is false.</span></em></p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>19.</strong> If he is not even a naturalized citizen, he is barred from holding any elected office.</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE ASSUMPTION</span></strong>. This IF/THEN statement is based on a false assumption. As discussed above, all credible information indicates that Obama was born in Hawaii and, under applicable law, that makes him a &#8220;natural born citizen&#8221; eligible under <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html" target="_blank">Article II of the Constitution</a>.</p>
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<td bgcolor="#eaeaea"><strong>20.</strong> If he is not even a naturalized citizen, he is an illegal alien</td>
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<p align="left"><strong><span style="color: #ff3300;">FALSE ASSUMPTION</span></strong>. This IF/THEN statement is based on a false assumption. As discussed above, all credible information indicates that Obama was born in Hawaii and, under applicable law, that makes him a &#8220;natural born citizen&#8221; eligible under <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html" target="_blank">Article II of the Constitution</a>.</p>
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