This is a place to discuss birthers running for public office, sparked by comments here.
More wingnuttery….Where are these people coming from?
Posted on | February 17, 2010 |
Gino DiSimone Says (#132):
February 16th, 2010 at 1:10 am
My name is Gino DiSimone and I am the leading Independent non-partisan candidate for Governor of Nevada. Immediately after I take the Governors seat, I will require the birth certificate and I will exercise all my executive powers to get this done! It will be the biggest issue you have ever seen. I have already laid the foundation to blow this wide open like never before and it will be from the executive powers of a Sovereign State Governor.
Please send my info around the USA. God be with us as we take this tyrant down, fast and hard. Your support is greatly appreciated.
Candidate, Governor of Nevada 2010, Independent non-partisan, GIN ! (Go Independent Nevada !
Interesting article from the untra conservative website, Redstate….This war between normal conservatives and the birther wingnuts is getting larger. Which is good because as long as the birther issue divides the GOP, unless the Dems are stupid they should be able to exploit that issue to be able to keep their control in 2010 and 2012….
Campbell Brown is Right and Hayworth is An Idiot if He Sticks to This
Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)
Thursday, February 18th at 12:47AM EST
I’m happy to see John McCain fight for his political life in Arizona, but stuff like this means I must go for McCain over Hayworth.
Former Rep. J.D. Hayworth, who on Monday officially entered Arizona’s Republican race against Sen. John McCain, defended his recent call for President Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate, suggesting his questions stem not from conspiracy theories that Obama was really born in Kenya but from concerns about identity theft.
During a Monday evening interview on CNN (watch it here), Hayworth pointed to the case of fugitive Vietnam War protester Howard Mechanic, who in 2000 sought a seat on the Scottsdale City Council using the alias “Gary Tredway.” After he was exposed, Mechanic eventually received a pardon from President Bill Clinton.
“All I’m saying is, for every race across the country, especially with identity theft in the news, it would be great that people can confirm who they say they are,” Hayworth said.
“Identity theft? I mean, come on,” an incredulous CNN host Campbell Brown said, laughing. “Is that honestly what this is about?”
The Birther issue is a non-starter and if Hayworth is going to pursue it, he needs to be beaten. No respectable politician can run on this issue.
Speaking on wingnut birther candidates, check out this individual…
Press Conference in Washington, DC
January 6, 2010–I am happy to announce that I, Rachel Brown, candidate for the Democratic nomination for Congress in Barney Frank’s district, along with fellow LaRouche PAC candidates Kesha Rogers and Summer Justice Shields, will be holding a press conference at Washington DC’s National Press Club on Tuesday, January 12th, in the Holeman Lounge, at 1 pm EST.
Among matters to be discussed will be the following.
It’s Time for a Bill of Impeachment against the President
The result of the decades-long attack on the Constitution of the United States is coming to fruition now. As U.S. productive capability, crucial for the self-defense of our nation, has been virtually eliminated, increasingly anti-Constitutional policies have been adopted, little by little. A heightened level of violation was reached within two months of the Obama presidency, as he immediately attempted to implement health care measures modeled on those of Adolf Hitler’s in 1939. Now, President Obama and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi are going beyond accepted bounds of action, attempting to craft a final version of the long-awaited and much-touted health care bill, in exclusive “ping-pong” sessions, behind closed doors. This is yet one more type of legislative “trickery” aimed at subverting the Constitutional system of checks and balances, and exerting “Unitary Executive” methods of control over the deliberative process in Congress. Should this really be allowed to continue?
“We need a bill of impeachment, on this issue in particular. A bill of impeachment must be demanded against the President. It’s a lawless Presidency,” said statesman Lyndon LaRouche. “What’s going on now is going out of all channels of Congressional due process, with the aid of the corruption of Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.”
That means, LaRouche stated, “she should be impeached, as should the President. There’s no doubt that what Pelosi has done has jeopardized the intent of the Constitution, in respect of the function of the Speaker of the House, and she should be impeached on those grounds alone.”
The grounds for impeachment should likely abound, with the population, increasingly disgusted with both parties, quite happy to support such a call. Take for instance the “individual mandate,” requiring citizens to invest in a shabby health insurance program, that they can’t afford and won’t cover their needs. Further, using the IRS to enforce collection of the fee for not having health insurance is an outrageous disgrace. Recall, also, the recent insertion of a “perpetuity” clause in regards to the Independent Medicare Advisory Board, attempting to prevent future sessions of Congress from repealing the authority of this death board. This too, was done by Executive branch control over Congress, as White House officials, such as Rahm Emmanuel, directed the insertion this clause during private meetings in Harry Reid’s office.
The patriotism of Americans in regards to such violations of principle cannot be underestimated, as citizens from all sides will join together to defend their common interest. “Enough is enough!” they will say, “Time to throw these traitors out!”
“There is no deliberative process allowed over this case. It’s entirely orchestrated, with the idea of the unitary Presidency. He is subverting the intent of the Constitution. He is trying to use trickery to avoid the checks and balances which are built into the Constitutional process. This means that any legislation passed under this Presidency will probably be fraudulent, by virtue of the method which was induced to bring it about.”
“Compulsory health insurance is fraudulent, and the President should have known it. You are trying to force the American people to invest in a worthless health insurance program? It’s a fraud. It’s grounds for impeachment. We probably will end up with a lot of grounds for impeachment,” LaRouche concluded.
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Thanks, Black Lion.
Doc, you’re welcome. It seems like there are candidates out there willing to go 100% and embrace the birther wingnuts that believe in the President is a usurper garbarge. The more interesting battle will be between the more sane members of the GOP and the ultra lunatic fringe that wants to embrace these individuals. You can see the battle when right wingers like Erickson come out and make a stand against the birthers how he is vilified.
It seems these so called “tea baggers” have brought togethers the wacky conspiracy theorists (birthers and truthers), the so called Ron Paul progressives, the ultra conservatives, and the neo nazi racists. Under the banner of hate for Obama, they have united to take on the establishment, whether it is the Dems or the GOP that have mocked them. And even the regular GOP are afraid enough to pull a Nathan Deal or Scott Brown, pretend to be one in order to get elected.
I had posted this over at the other thread but I think it is worth repeating. What all of this has led to is for terms like secession, immigration reform, and voting tests to be brought back. Here in 2010 we have some politicans that are playing these cards, at the detriment of this country. And that is not counting the guys like Charlton below and Perry a couple of months ago talking about armed insurrection…And no one in the GOP or the right condems these individuals…
It seems like our buddy Charlton is becoming even more disturbed by reading his latest “article”, or work of fiction….Note the commenters…It is the same cast of characters….I am begining to believe that we have basically 10 or so birther trolls that post under different names on different sites to make people think that there are a lot of them out there….
“The natural law accords no right or respect for a usurper. He can, by the natural right, be removed from power by any means, peaceful or violent. In fact, it would be an act of heroism and patriotism to arrest him; nor can I deny that according to the great thinkers on this subject that it would not be a crime to use even lethal force to do so. But as a Christian I pray for, exhort and encourage peaceful means, even though I recognize that no crime can be committed to remove Obama, precisely because to remove a usurper from power is the duty of every patriot, and if done so for that reason is never a crime before God or men.
For similar reasons, such an action is not “vigilantism,” because that crime consists of taking authority into one’s own hands when authorities exist.”
“But now with the open takeover of our Federal Government by Socialists and Islamists, there is no line of defense left but the common man. If we do not take up arms and start a counter-revolution, the nation is lost.”
“Such an action must include the arrest, trial and conviction of all conspirators in the usurpation, both in the White House, in Congress, and in the Courts. It also must mean the confiscation of the property of all who supported the usurpation, both that of the Democratic Party and of the corporations, law firms, unions and private citizens who financially supported the takeover of the government. They are alone responsible for the trillions of national debt Obama has added to the Treasury; it is only right that their assets be seized to pay it back.”
And our friend Orrin Hatch….
“Sen. Orrin Hatch has a message for the Tea Party movement: Work with the GOP or see conservatives lose more ground. “If we fractionalize the Republican Party, we are going to see more liberals elected,” Hatch warned a crowd of 300 at a town meeting at American Fork Junior High School on Wednesday night, amid jeers from Tea Party supporters. Hatch blamed the Tea Party movement for the loss of Sen. Gordon Smith, a politically moderate but fiscally conservative Republican from Oregon.”
It looks like even the sane GOP members are being to be afraid of what they helped to create….
And this link regarding secession in Texas…
I think we have seen a new phase in the Obama Conspiracy world, and you have put your finger on it. It is the coalition of what I call “The Angry White Men”, whether tax evaders, anti-immigrant activists, conservative Christians who feel threatened, gun nuts and people with anxieties of all sorts about change and the world as it is.
Commentator Gary Hubbell in an article in the Aspen Times back in February of 2008 believed that the Angry White Man vote would be the deciding factor in the 2008 presidential election. History proves him wrong, but he still identifies a constituency, one to which the fringe can appeal.
I just received an email reminding me of the similarities between the Tea Party movement today and events in the 1970 where angry white parents fought court-ordered racial integration of schools in Boston, and I certainly remember angry resentment in the South to the Civil Rights Movement.
It was angry white men that led to the independence of the United States, but it was angry white men that seceded from those United States, leading to untold misery, over half a million dead on the battlefield and a region of the country in ruins.
In modern times, the “silent majority” has consistently overestimates its numbers and as a political movement, at least in the short term, it is doomed to failure, something clearly seen by Republican leadership. I doubt there’s much they can do about it.
I heard Gov. George C. Wallace in person delivering his “not a dimes worth of difference” speech, railing against the Democrats and Republicans alike. His populist rhetoric is live and well in the Tea Party Movement.
This is exactly what I have been saying. The Conservative movement is a haven for white nationalists, anti-semites, theocrats, anti-tax rebels, and assorted other kooks. Buckley once remarked he spent a lifetime getting rid of the kooks. Well, they are back, and here to stay.
They believe in State’s Rights, until gay marriage or legalizing marijuana.
So maybe the Brit, Neil Sankey can succeed where the Russian immigrant (from the Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic) has failed, bring it on.
Poor little Birthers (still in denial about their losses), Judge Land and now judge Carter, smack down the crazies (case dismissed).
Not even “Fake News” Glenn Beck or Bill O’Reilly believes the crazies, how funny.
To all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true (TOUGH WHEN YOU KEEP LOSING CASES), if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. I heard Orly Taitz, is selling a tape (I think it’s called “Money, Lies and Video tape”). She is from Orange County, CA, now I know what the mean when they say “behind the Orange Curtain”, when they talk about Orange County, the captial of Conspiracy Theories. You know Obama has a passport, he travel abroad before he was a Senator, but I guess they were in on it.
In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away the rights of those they just hate) and that’s who they need to extract from their party if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”.
I wonder if she is a mail order bride, just like her law degree? She is perfect reporter material for “Fake News”, where unfounded rumors and innuendo reign supreme , unlike a our US courts of law. The way our courts work is that you get a competent lawyer, verifiable facts and present them to a judge, if the facts are real and not half baked lies, then, and only then, you proceed to trial. The Birthers seem to be having a problem with their so called facts that they present. Let’s face it no one will go along with you until you guys win a case, but until then, you will continue to appear dumb, crazy or racist, or maybe all three. Keep plucking that chicken.
A lawyer, dentist, realtor and black belt, WOW I must say a JACK of all trades master of none
I heard that she now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC). She wants to re-establish a family values party.
I can only hope that Taitz will resist the state collectors that will be hounding her like the “ruff ruff” that she is to collect the $20K.
We won the election and now these sore losers will continue to spew your hate with lies.
doc, connecting the dots:
after the nashville tea party convention i wrote a post about the similarities to the boston unrest.
And of course, the birfoons will make hay with the fact that Hatch is also a supporter of the proposed “Equal Opportunity to Govern” Amendment…
you may have won the election but you are looseing your country
this is not a lie
You, wacky Americans, you! 🙂
Doc, you happen to be right on point. There is that so called silent group, I geuss of “white men” that are unhappy with the direction the country is going. Their loss of power, which had been gradual, became reality when Obama was elected President. So although they may have some ideological differences, they have banded together under this so called “tea party” movement to try and “take back” what they feel is rightfully theirs….That is why these fringe candidates, who at any other time would be laughed at, are getting support. Why guys like Beck have such a large following…And if the opposition remains fractured, it will allow this group to retake power and attempt to implement change….
You may think so…But there are enough Americans with common sense to prevent that…NO extreme right candidate will be successfully nationally….It has never happened and never will…Even at the time of huge social unrest George Wallace could not garner a significant amount of votes for President nationally….And I think that is where the birthers make a mistake…They feel that their exteme view will work in all parts of the country….Which it won’t…
Lupin, at some time we definately are…
Interesting article about the guy yesterday who flew his plane into a federal building in Texas….The unstable are already starting to go to the extreme….
“THE FIRES in Austin were still burning yesterday when the Internet lit up with government haters cheering suicide pilot Joe Stack and calling him a hero.
“Finally an American man took a stand against our tyrannical government that no longer follows the Constitution,” wrote Emily Walters of Louisville, Ky.
Walters was one of at least two dozen people who founded Facebook fan groups to hail the homicidal pilot.
Most had only a tiny handful of members, but hers attracted more than 200 before Facebook removed it.
“His sacrifice was for all of us,” wrote Texan Tyler Britten.
Crackpots were also praising the dead pilot on Twitter.
“Joe Stack, you are a true American Hero and we need more of you to make a stand,” tweeted Greg Lenihan, an engineer in San Diego.
Stack’s manifesto railed against Wall Street, the Catholic Church, the IRS and the failure to reform health care – a little something for everyone.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/02/19/2010-02-19_kamakazi_pilot_hailed_by_loonies_as_antigov_hero.html#ixzz0fzOStgKu
As best as I can determine from his screed, his tax troubles resulted from the fact that back in the 80s, he tried to use one of those “mail order minister” schemes to claim his income was tax-free. With interest and penalties, it snowballed from there.
A real hero
I am sure some will attempt to blame Obama for this in some way….
I need an extra effort to wrap my mind around that one.
Abdul Al Uzi flying into a building to attack US Government = bad terrorist
Joe Stack flying into a building to attack US Government = American hero
Does your tribe receive a rule book at birth or are you born with the ability to tell the difference?
(With apologies to all the good folks here who are obviously NOT like that.)
Where do you learn this crap, are you inborn?
Agreed. If Obama came out and designated this guy as a terrorist, the right led by Boss Limbaugh and the half term former governor that quit would vilify him. There is no difference. He few a plane into a building in order to cause death and make a point. That is the definiton of terrorism. But the right because his name is Joe Stack and he is not a minority or a Muslim will spin it as ok. The hypocrisy is evident.
More wackiness from Texas:
Speaking of Texas….
“Following the appeals from the public, the members of what is the most influential state board of education in the country, and one of the most politically conservative, submitted their own proposed changes to the new social-studies curriculum guidelines, whose adoption was the subject of all the attention — guidelines that will affect students around the country, from kindergarten to 12th grade, for the next 10 years. Gail Lowe — who publishes a twice-a-week newspaper when she is not grappling with divisive education issues — is the official chairwoman, but the meeting was dominated by another member. Don McLeroy, a small, vigorous man with a shiny pate and bristling mustache, proposed amendment after amendment on social issues to the document that teams of professional educators had drawn up over 12 months, in what would have to be described as a single-handed display of archconservative political strong-arming.
McLeroy moved that Margaret Sanger, the birth-control pioneer, be included because she “and her followers promoted eugenics,” that language be inserted about Ronald Reagan’s “leadership in restoring national confidence” following Jimmy Carter’s presidency and that students be instructed to “describe the causes and key organizations and individuals of the conservative resurgence of the 1980s and 1990s, including Phyllis Schlafly, the Contract With America, the Heritage Foundation, the Moral Majority and the National Rifle Association.” The injection of partisan politics into education went so far that at one point another Republican board member burst out in seemingly embarrassed exasperation, “Guys, you’re rewriting history now!” Nevertheless, most of McLeroy’s proposed amendments passed by a show of hands.
Finally, the board considered an amendment to require students to evaluate the contributions of significant Americans. The names proposed included Thurgood Marshall, Billy Graham, Newt Gingrich, William F. Buckley Jr., Hillary Rodham Clinton and Edward Kennedy. All passed muster except Kennedy, who was voted down.”
Wow, Newt Gingrich an influential American? Billy Graham? Are you kidding me? Over Ted Kennedy? Is that how they are teaching the children in Texas?
Yeah, very sad and embarassing stats, but unfortunately, these results are not that surprising.
For one thing, our educational system here is very weak on providing or emphasizing science and education. Therefore, there is a woefully high number of people in this country with very little understanding of even basic math & science concepts. I think this lack of education also hinders rational thought and is at least partially to blame for some of the poor logic capabilities and rational disconnects that happen too.
That alone is concern for the future of our country being able to remain competitive and innovative.
On top of that, for a country with the most diverse mix of religions practicing in it, there is an overwhelming number of fundamentalist-mindset believers, particularly in the Christian denominations.
Too many religious followers view science as a threat to their beliefs and therefore sadly either shun it or go to great lengths to try to creatively ignore or twist what we learn from science.
Not all religious people (not even among fundamentalist Christians) are hostile to science. It seems the likelihood of hostility towards science increases the more one’s view of their own religion is driven by needing strict literal interpretations of their religious texts to be “infallible”.
When you get right down to it, this is no different than how the birthers’ mindset works and how they jump through twisted hoops to come up with ways to deny reality and reinforce their own misguided preconceptions.
In fact, there is probably a fairly strong overlap between birtherism and hostility to understanding and/or denying reality-based science.
Chuffo- I want our country to be let loose- please stop shackeling the USA!
Last I heard this scumball inflicted severe burn damage to at least two people in the building- and these people are cheering him on? Do they even care about the torture he has inflicted upon these innocent people?
He should be regarded just like the Oklahoma city bombers- a domestic terrorist.
Funny how such events bring out both the best and worst in people.
But the hatred of the President is real, and this is the driving force behind the various groups with ideological differences getting together to try and get rid of the President…
For instance the most recent manufactured “outrage”, sent via e-mail to get people riled up…
The hypocrisy of some folks knows no bounds…
Lupin, my sister and her husband moved to Texas when he was offered a job there. I have been to visit on several occasions. It is really not a part of the United States. It is Texas. What more can I say. When the governor brought up leaving the union I sent an email and told him “please complete your separation from the United States.”
Great link Black Lion. I remember the freepers screaming about the feet on the desk, but I didn’t see the picture of Bush before. Some of the comments on that link are pretty good.
Or this work of fiction by some guy named John Drew regarding supposedly meeting Obama back when he was a student at Occidential…It was in newsmax and now at the rag the Canadian free press….
“At last, Dr. John C. Drew has come forward to acknowledge that Obama did indeed attend Occidental, saying that his former girlfriend shared classes with Barry. Drew provides little information about Obama being engaged in any actual academic pursuits; but, the future president evidently divided his time between partying and spouting Marxist drek.”
And then of course it gets crossposted to the Fre Republic site…
But as we look at John Drew we find out that his story doesn’t exactly make sense…
Which basically tells us that the so called birthers and the ones that hate Obama are willing to do anything, including lie, in order to discredit and demean the President. For months the birthers didn’t believe that Obama even attended Occidential, but now someone is making it seem like he was some sort of Marxist or Socialist, then it is OK to believe that he went there…Amazing…NO different than the so called Marine that “met” Obama and claims that he said he was born in Africa….
Agreed…As we all know the rule…If Obama does something, it is no OK even if every other President in history had done it…
Already Boss Limbaugh is begining his spin…He is attempting to say that Joe Stack sounds just like any liberal Democrat,” and his writings “almost word for word” like Obama, Pelosi, Reid….Just like the Holocaust Museum shooter where they attempted to make him look like a “liberal” the spin has begun…
Agreed…And Boss Limbaugh is the worst…
His new screed….That “Somebody needs to tell Barack Obama he’s starting to sound like Tiger Woods”…Which means what exactly? That Barack, like Tiger, by virtue of being “Black” are not trustworthy? And no one ever dares to call him on such comments…
Good Article regarding Joe Stack…
“Even Glenn Beck, the court jester of the Tea Party was quick to point out that while Stacks left some rhetoric in his manifesto that could be considered “communist,”
When you read his anti-tax ravings and his anti-tax or IRS stuff it sounds like you could be reading bumper stickers off the cars or the signs of the Tea Party.
Tea Party leaders are quickly distancing themselves from Stack. They claim to have no record on their lists of Joe Stack as a Tea Party member. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t a member or wasn’t sympathetic to the movement. Although in his manifesto, he strays from the general Tea Party talking points, there are many ideologies in the Tea Party from pro-war to anti-war, to pro -drugs t anti-drugs, from anti-Republican to Neo-Con. There are also a lot of crazy people drawn to Tea Parties as way to vent their anger with no particular political ideology at all.
The problem with the Tea Party movement, is that it is less defined by a political ideology and more defined by hatred and disdain for our President and the government. The Fox News pundits and Tea Party speakers are excellent hatemongers. They have painted Obama as a communist, socialist, Muslim, tyrant, dictator, and said that he wants to take away people’s guns and freedom.
It’s not the Tea Party ideology that may drive people to violence, but the hatred and fear mongering it promotes do. The Neo-Cons who run the Tea Party, in particular, Dick Armey, have united with extremist elements who they can not control. I have previously written about two elements that have joined the Tea Party, the Neo-Nazis and The Neo-McVieghs. Both of these groups add fuel to the anger and fear already in place in the Tea Party and both groups have a long strong history of terrorism yet are welcomed, seemingly with open arms into the Tea Party movement.
The Neo-Nazis identify with the terrorists who killed maimed and put Black people in terror for years (KKK) as well as the government that is responsible for World War II and the holocaust, while the Neo-McVeighs hold the same “Patriot” beliefs of a “New World Order” conspiracy that led to McVeigh blowing up the Federal Building in Oklahoma.”
I agree that this meets the definition of a domestic terrorist act. It is also a criminal act and a suicide. I don’t understand why some people have to insist that things can only be one or the other. Terrorist attacks can be both terrorism and criminal acts at the same time.
Yes, I believe this guy was a “lone wolf”. However, per his letter and his actions, I think domestic terrorism is clear, based on adding all these factors up:
a) his suicide was intentional and backed up by a detailed note explaining his reasons.
b) his targets -both burning his house and flying his plane into the IRS building was intentional. (I also heard that he apparently tried to rig explosives in his car that he left behind)
c) he intentionally targeted a building with people in it and per both his actions and his manifesto, it seems clear that his intent was to cause maximum harm, and therefore it is a mass-scale attempted murder and not just vandalism or suicide.
d) per his manifesto, he makes it clear that he felt violence was the “only solution” and that he hoped his actions would not only send a message but also inspire others to also take similar action – to me that is the very core purpose of a terrorist attack.
Also, in response to all the speculation on his “political motives”, I think the only thing that is a clear link to any existing ideologies or movements right now is his clear record buying into “anti-tax” scam philosophies.
While it is true that a fair number of these “anti-tax” folks have joined the Tea Party movement, there is no solid evidence to date that in any way links him to the Tea Parties.
Arizona birther Senate candidate J. D. Hayworth (who I remember doing the sportscast on local TV) has received heat from incumbent opponent John McCain.
According to the Arizona Republic.