The big WorldNetDaily advertising extravaganza at the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office is scheduled for tomorrow. Like last time, you have to give them an email address (and this time your name and zip code) to sign up and they will send you instructions (and email alerts forever more) on how to view the event, which is scheduled for 5:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, July 17.
Much speculation has appeared as to what new or recycled birther rumor they will present under the stern gaze of Joe Arpaio, Maricopa County Sheriff and WorldNetDaily spokesperson. Sheriff Joe has decades experience in law enforcement projecting authority and looking serious. One expects the Sheriff’s Cheap Detective1, Mike Zullo, to do most of the talking.
I’ve spent some time thinking about how this blog should report the birther story, and I realized that there is an important distinction between talk and action. President Obama releasing his long-form birth certificate was action. My editorial stance is that talk is cheap and that actions speak louder than words. The Cold Case Posse to date has been all talk.
This is the article to discuss the “press conference.” I’ll add updates later.
Here’s the link:
1No offense to Peter Falk intended.
You could always just use a use-and-throw-away email, it worked for me last time. Not sure I’ll bother with it this time.
Fwiw, Peter Falk is dead and spelled his name without a U.
Why do you think they’re wanting names and phone numbers now? 😀
the last time, i think the day of you could just click on the link on wing nutzz daily – if you register in advance, you have to give them info
phone number? here’s orly’s dental office phone number – (949) 766-7687
The first trilogy will conclude with the worlds first pay per view press conference in late October.
BTW: I’ll use Orly’s cell phone number.
“BTW: I’ll use Orly’s cell phone number.”
that’s why i posted it
here’s trump’s # 212-832-2000
Me too.
“You could always just use a use-and-throw-away email”
I use gmail to do just that, I was thinking of using the same one so I logged in to it and it took 10 minutes to load, There were over 300 emails on it.
hmmmm, wonder if I could use a dummy email address that forwards all the emails to WND?
Personally I’m not interested in giving WND anything that may be of use to them (and besides, I already have a regular gmail, getting anyother one would be a pita). Besides, I get some childish glee from the fact that every time they try to send anythng to the new defunct mail account, it’ll bounce on them.
As for the phone number, as others have mentioned, there are several publicly listed phone numbers to choose from – personally, I’d go with the White House switchboard phone #.
Incidently, this all reminds me of the time when the internet was in its infancy, and the only method most websites would have of blocking non-US viewers, was by having them input a US postal code. Unfortunately, this was also the time when Beverly Hills 90210 was still running. I chuckle at the though of the millions of people using that particular postal code. I know I used it to access Pandora, before they figured out how to block people based on their IP…
Already seeing language on WND that suggests there is no proof, evidence, or shockers of any sort. No real surprise there. Is it just me or do birthers suffer from battered-wife syndrome, when it comes to sites like WND?
Tomorrow’s headline today:
Layers!
Trilogy? This is, by my count, already Arpaio’s 4th birther “happening”. Don’t succumb to the “it all blurs together” amnesia. WND runs on that crap. Keep’em accounted and accountable!
His next “event” will complete a Pentateuch.
I believe there is a hearing with the Justice Dept on the 19th? Guess which was scheduled first?
Fearless predicction: Arpie goes down in flames (to some degree), and WND spins it as revenge for the revelation of the 17th. Sigh.
How much you wanna bet they do something incredibly stupid, like present that article from “The Globe”?
I hope they do, the laughter from the audience will be deafening!
Interesting story at Phoenix New Times. An activist organization, Citizens for a Better Arizona, is demanding that various Arizona politicians take a stand on Arpaio’s “investigation.” One of the questions being asked is whether Arpaio has jurisdiction.
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2012/07/joe_arpaios_tax-funded_birther.php
John is nowhere in sight. Probably because he knows that tomorrow’s presser will have all of the impact and shock of wheat toast.
I believe you are mixing up “lay” and “lie”…ers.
🙂
Here’s my prediction:
If Arpaio names a “forger,” he will either be dead or a birther.
He can’t very well accuse anyone of a fake crime who is alive and not part of the Obama-haters’ sick twisted crusade, can he?
You can never underestimate John’s ability to bark like a seal whenever a new birther fish is waved in the air.
“can he?”
i could create an entire episode of law and order – after signing the notarized confession, the forger was hit by a car and is currently hospitalized in a permanent vegetative state in a catholic hospital – since he had no end of life directives, the family is involved in a lengthy court battle which includes battling the catholic church
update
WND EXCLUSIVE
Now ‘indisputable proof’ of Obama forgery
http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/indisputable-proof-of-obama-forgery-to-be-released/
Who scanned O’s LFBC?
Did he/she/they do it on the taxpayers’ dime?
What technique was used?
You should get the person’s name and rank and publish all the facts so the birfoons will have to admit it once and for all !!!
I predict that they will announce that the evidence will be presented at a later date because it’s so huge and hard that to get it out in the open, Zullo will need more time and Ex-Lax.
I think we have a winner folks! This sounds EXACTLY like Barney Fife’s M.O.
oh a new conspiracy – on 7/13, a 29-year-old member of President Obama’s re-election team collapsed at the campaign’s Chicago headquarters and later died – Alex Okrent, who began working for Obama during his 2004 U.S. Senate bid in Illinois, was a member of the paid media department, which handles advertising for the 2012 campaign.
Rumor has it that Zullo’s evidence weighs at least 12 Courics.
huh, WHITE toast don’t you know…
LOL!!!
Sammy shows up in the comments to mention that the Birthers are whining.
http://media.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/81/2012/07/11/114938_600.jpg
I used wheat bread as example, because it tastes the way I imagine Sheriff Joe does. And not just any brand of Wheat bread. I’m talking Always Save brand.
Why would you be thinking, much less typing, such a thing? Have to bleach out my eyes now! 🙁
Rank? I had no idea that the person who scanned the LFBC is in the military.
Soro’s told me no paycheck, it’s all over, Sheriff Joe revealed the forger, Obama will be arrested for sure, Sheriff Joe is so proud. All the birthers said “I told you so”, what, what’s that, he didn’t reveal the forger, are you kidding? Sheriif Joe let us down, I kant bereive it.
Chef:
if obama were submitting a “forged” birth certificate, dontcha think he would have gotten the BEST forger? when someone is NOT lying, they don’t think about what the “birfoons” will think about it – i don’t begin to know what doc, etc know about ‘scanning” but i can visualize someone saying “reproduce the long form so we can get these idiots off our backs”.
Still several hours away, but I can already taste those so-good-they-must-be-fattening delicious birther tears.
A staffer walked up to a Xerox multifunction device in the white house, lifted the lid, placed the document on the glass (hopefully with an appropriate amount of care), lowered the lid, selected his inbox, and hit the ‘SCAN’ button.
That’s all it took.
I have provided links to white papers and patents detailing Xerox’s multi-raster compression algorithms before.
My company has a client that scans documents to us on a Xerox. One came in today. All the tell-tale signs are there. Bitmapped text layers, low-quality jpeg backgrounds, white halos, clipping paths, and layers, layers, LAYERS!!!
Cracks me up every time one comes in.
Unfortunately, these docs are confidential, so I can’t share. Anyone have access to a Xerox machine? I guess I could check around the local copy shops, but since birfers would simply retreat slideways to a nearby reinforcement meme, what’s the motivation?
The frog marching starts, what’s that large noise we hear, is it from the frogs marching or is it the crickets?
Good cartoon! Portman is extremely bland. I live here in Ohio and we’ve never had such a non-entity as him in office. He only became Senator due to the Tea Party wave election of 2010, not for anything of his own accord. The GOP could have run an empty box of cereal that year and the results would still have been the same. Also, the guy has ties to being part of Bush’s economic team…so where he isn’t boring, he’s just a negative.
But then again, Romney’s ego seems to point towards finding a running mate that won’t “outshine” him… that really sets the bar low and limits things. The only choice that would be even more effete and boring that Portman is Pawlenty. If Romney goes in either of those directions, it will easily be the most underwhelming ticket the GOP or any major party has put forward.
I thought they did?
Exactly why it would have a great chance. It’s plain vanilla, ultra-bland, boring, safe. (Depending how you look at it; I think empty suits are dangerous) Plus the name Portman has some attractive associations.
I’m holding out hope for something more braindead / divisive on Romney’s part. I agree it is odd to have the cardboard cutout at the top of the ticket. That’s what the Veep slot of for!
They are waiting until they leave the Administration to write a tell all book.
*How I Scanned Obama’s (Real) Birth Certificate!” by I. N. Tern.
Revelations! Step-by-step Details! Alternative Perspectives from People Standing by the Coffee Machine!
If you didn’t notice, there’s a lot of stuff at the White House that’s done on the taxpayers’ dime. There are state dinners. There were tours at one time. The WH staffer who publishes the President’s tax returns is doing so while being paid by the taxpayer.
The freaking First Lady has a personal secretary. They end up responding to letters from the public, and they’re **gasp** printed and mailed at the taxpayers’ expense. When the President flies on vacation, the flight is made at the taxpayers’ expense whether it’s Obama going back to Hawaii or W coming in to Crawford.
That someone working for the federal government would be tasked for something like this is not exactly earthshattering.
Hey all, no need to sign up with WND. I just saw this from ABC 15 in Phoenix:
“Arpaio is expected to hold a news conference at 2:30 p.m. You will be able to watch it live on ABC15.com and the ABC15 Mobile app.”
I read the manuscript and nearly crapped myself. If they ever bring it to the big screen only Michael Bay will be able to do it justice.
direct link to the Zulu comedy show
http://www.ustream.tv/WND
ABC15 has a link up.
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/sheriff-arpaio-holds-another-news-conference-on-president-obamas-birth-certificate
Zullo got lots of sun in Hawaii, it appears.
“Placed by hand back in 1960.” We’re off to a great start!
Bing! First technical error. The 1 bit layers do not contain text. They contain images, including images of text and non-text.
More layers….wow…that’s new.
For the sake of argument, let’s assume that the PDF of Obama’s birth certificate posted on the Whtie House web site was created from scratch by a forger. Given that the State of Hawaii has provided an official certification that the information that is on it is correct, how would proof of that forgery change the fact that Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Hawaii?
P.S. Hey Zullo, no one wanted to touch it because of the “nature of the document” because there was no paper document to examine.
On to the pencil marks, which I believe Doc has covered in detail.
OK, this is cool new info: Verna Lee is still alive!
Man this is a load of crap. It’s like watching reruns.
Hey, once Fife gets forcibly removed from his post as sheriff, where shall we get our laughs then? I ask because I can’t afford any more Rifftrax releases until next month. Though I wonder if Mike Nelson and pals could be persuaded to take a crack at riffing these pressers…
Talking about the significance of the “number 9”, playing a Youtube now. Man, you can’t make this nonsense up.
Ah. We don’t know why it says “9”, so clearly and unequivocally it was tampered with.
So when do they indict? What’s that? They aren’t? It’s all a PR move because Joe goes to court later this week and Corsi is selling a book?
doc’s decoding
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/decoding-the-long-form-part-2/
Holy crap. They just threw every Hawaii birth certificate under the bus.
Now replaying the lie that anybody could get an Hawaii birth certificate.
Oh God….the unattended birth B.S.
Man, nothing but a replay of crap that’s been debunked for over a year!
So, will anyone there ask whether Hawaii would register a birth anywhere in the world as happening at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu? And provide witness signatures?
“Hawaii has a problem now.”
Can a state sue for slander?
You have a link handy to the debunking of this particular piece of nonsense?
Ah, so we now know that Zullo has at least applied for two law enforcement jobs.
I had to bail. It was nothing but the same ole same ole replayed again for Birther joy.
what a surprise…he doesn’t understand what prima facie means in a legal context
There are too many particular pieces of nonsense being spouted in the book release PR session for me to provide all of the links. I will suffice it to say that every point he has brought up has been debunked and all of the debunking has been compiled here.
He knows. He had to ignore it so he could help Corsi sell books to the birfoons and his boss could claim he was under political persecution when he goes to court later this week.
awww….let’s play up the “we’re being threatened” schtick.
Interesting attention-grabbing effort here. No one will listen to their usual blatherings so they have to up the stakes by accusing Hawaii of regularly issuing fraudulent birth certificates.
He may or may not know what it means, but he sure can’t pronounce it: he keeps saying “prima facia”
Heh, Arpaio was afraid Zullo might get rubbed out in Hawaii unless someone was packing heat.
Oooh, time for the vacation slides!
Zullo just declared war on Hawaii.
The posse was told that the hospital obeys the law. Sucks to be the posse.
Paraphrased Zullo – We told the police we were going to be asking questions so why would they should up when we were endlessly harrassing employees of the Hawaii Dept of Health.
Sure wish Zullo knew which year Obama was born.
Wow….a hospital refused to give a bunch of wahoos access to their records! Shocking.
Hospital continues to follow privacy laws. Continues to suck to be the posse.
Perhaps Zullo should realize that when a police officer leaves his jurisdiction….he is just the public.
More Zullo – “We are not the public. We are the police conducting an investigation that we have no jurisdiction to pursue. Now answer my quesitons, dammit.”
Hiding behind state statutes? You mean complying with the law?
I’m sure this story was fascinating when he practiced it in the mirror.
If the Assistant DA was able to keep a straight face during her entire meeting with Zullo, she deserves several awards and a hefty bonus.
Now Zullo is a mind reader, and knows what people think when they tell him exactly the opposite.
Maybe if he was dressed as Gene Wilder as Willie Wonka.
More Zullo-speak : “Based on the ADA refusing to answer my ridiculous hypothetical that was really a back door attempt to get the ADA to circumvent the law, we came to the conclusion that the Dept of Hawaii never provided a document to Obama so the one he posted must be a forgery”
zullo just accused the hawaii DOH of forgery!
oops!
Because you’re not talking about a document!!!
The paper copy, however….that’s another story.
“several Department of Healths.”
Why did WND put up an article with all the information in the “press conference” BEFORE the end of the “press conference?”
“We’ve come to understand”
translation…some birther said on a website.
oh crap….amended birth certificate b.s.
How much debunked garbage is he going to dredge up.
“The lowest form of evidence you can get”. I can’t even keep up with Zullo any more.
I wonder if he’ll be bringing up the affidavit to the AZ SecState. I’m thinking “no.”
Yeah!!!! Out of sequence…
It’s like the birthers’ greatest hits!
now it’s the out of sequence numbers…god what retards!
Yeah! Digitially altered pictures!!!!
OMG!!!! Even that his parents aren’t his parents?
Sounds like they’ve been spending ALOT of time on YouTube brushing up on every nutter birther conspiracy theory.
Wow. They tell you not to trust the newspaper birth certificates because not all births were announced in the paper. But they don’t offer any evidence that births announced in the newspapers didn’t actually happen. Sadly, too much of our country is logic impaired.
Obama has caused the projector to fail. That’s How Deep It Goes.
Wow. We’ve ripped the lid off! Our new evidence is:
* Numbers out of sequence
* Pencil marks
* Zullo got a sunburn
Ooh, here it is– the doubt about who the parents really are. How low is he going to go?
“show uzzz the microfilm” so we can debunk that too
Got to love it.
No evidence. No new revelations. And — the big thing– the claim there would be the name of the forger has been shown to be a joke, too.
Great first question – Why should we believe a word you say when your investigators work for companies that espouse conspiracy theories?
Show us your Birth Certificate and we will all go away……Show us the Long Form and we will all go away……Show us the Microfiche and we will all go away. ROFLMAO
Getting a bit defensive.
So…not going to share it with a prosecutor then?
I am sure Sheriff Joe has never questioned the credibility of any citizen who has come forward with a crimial complaint.
On the bright side, they left Virginia S. out of it.
Zullo finally starts talking about his law enforcement experience and my flash plugin crashes. Is there finally going to be an answer to the question how long has Zullo known Joseph Farah?
OOhhhh…back to “people of interest”
Oooh, oooh. They have persons of interest. That changes everything
100 agents to hawaii?
What Donald Trump’s Birther Investigators Will Find in Hawaii
The path to Obama’s birth certificate, as told by someone who’s looked
you can do the entire investigation in a single day: Leave DC first thing in the morning, obtain the documents, and you’ll still have time to sip a mai-tai on the beach before catching your flight home in the evening. He even went on Expedia and made me an itinerary: the whole trip would only cost $1228.40 (mai-tai not included).
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/04/what-donald-trumps-birther-investigators-will-find-in-hawaii/237198/
KPHO (CBS 5) just posted on Facebook – http://www.kpho.com/category/224303/kphocom-local-live-streaming
Zullo: 95-Year-Old Woman Hates the Fuzz
“I’m not talkin’ to The Man!” — Verna Lee
Yeah, Joe Bob was trying to support and show the President was born in the U.S. What a lie. I think that it would be awesome if Joe Bob is convicted and sentenced to actual time for his crimes and the only reading material he gets is the COLB, the Long Form, and some microfiche. LOL
So it’s “Mr.” Corsi now, Mike?
So they misled Verna Lee and surreptiously recorded a phone call. They did not actually meet her face to face. Adopting their standards of proof, why should we accept that it was actually Verna Lee they spoke to. And now they are saying they may not release the tape, so really why would we accept their tale as true.
Zullo finally explains what happened: Stockholm Syndrome. He broke down after 16 hours held hostage by Jerry Corsi.
We have no political motives here….it’s purely racist motives. ROFL
Kapiolani grants access to their archives by the public? Don’t think so.
“We are not accusing the president of any crimes.”
We’re just IMPLYING it strongly. Really strongly. Did you miss the video at the end? We can play it again for you if you’d like.
Okay…I need to contact them because that Romney birth certificate had a few voids on it. I think they need to investigate it.
’This isn’t us chasing down the president” – uhh, actually, yes it is.
He is now saying quite clearly that the people he interviewed at the HI DoH are accessories to a crime.
Do I understand correctly that they are claiming that the mere fact of scanning a paper copy to make it available to the public would constitute forgery and fraud by the White House?
Now he wants his alleged forger brought to justice. Exactly what Arizona Statue does he say has been violated?
“Now he wants his alleged forger brought to justice. Exactly what Arizona Statue does he say has been violated?”
Letting a black man be President is the clear and self-evident crime that’s eating away at them.
” ‘ It’s time for this charade to stop,’ Zullo said.”
True, Mikey, but not in the way you meant.
Well that was a whole lot of the same old nonsense. What happened to the explosive new evidence?
So this is just basically maligning an entire state. Because, after all, everyone knows the percentage of white people in Hawaii isn’t enough to make them real Americans.
That was hilarious and sad at the same time. That there are idiots that actually believe this birther bull crap in the U.S.
Daniel the explosive evidence is that the birthers believe the 9 on the forged document. They don’t believe anything else on it, and it’s forged, but that 9 means something on that irrelevant forged document.
“Kapiolani grants access to their archives by the public? Don’t think so”
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my daughter was born at Kapiolani in 1965, her records no longer are there, they purge after 25 yrs
did i miss the “notarized affidavit of the forger”?
“they purge after 25 yrs”
trump’s hospital spokesperson said they don’t keep the records once the person turns 21
hey birthers, did you like the explosive new evidence, the laughs on you.
Oh my! What a vile nasty pair of lying racists! Arpaio wants to pass his pile of taitz onto someone. He’s thinking of Congress, but surely there’s a shredder in his office?
Zullo says he and his fellow lying racists identified themselves when visiting Hawai’i – I guess he means they wore their clown suits, or does he mean they carried torches and a flaming cross?
Why aren’t Zullo and Arpaio both behind bars … yet?
And they know that ‘9’ is significant because of a conversation they had on the phone with a 95 year old woman who wasn’t looking at the exact same document that they were (and was presumably relying on memory for her answers about codes and procedures from 40+ years ago)
I noted the way Arpaio tried to intimidate the Channel 5 reporter at the end (I couldn’t hear the question that annoyed him).
He loves to bully people; that seems to be what he lives for.
Get a move on, DoJ!!
Didn’t Doc C establish a long time ago that the pencil notation 9 indicated “other” ie everything not specifically covered elsewhere in the numbering key code?
This is subtly different from what Zullo is suggesting ie that the number 9 only covered blank entries. if “African” didn’t meet the criteria for inclusion in any of the remaining number codes, number 9 would have been quite correct.
It is easy to imagine how whatever the 95 year old Mrs Lee said in a telephone call in response to a question the wording of which we also don’t know could be twisted to mean what Zullo/Corsi would like it to mean as the two meanings are relatively close to each other.
Sam, he asked if Joe was going to pull over Obama’s motorcade and check his papers (to paraphrase) LOL
*edited to add* the next time the President is in his county. 🙂
He asked if Arpaio would be pulling over the President’s motorcade to ask him to prove his citizenship/immigration status.
Wow there is a distinct lack of John here today, golly surely he wasn’t too busy to watch his hero relay this most explosive evidence! John? John where are you?
Judge Mental, I believe you are correct about Dr. C covering that issue.
doc’s decoding and #9
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/decoding-the-long-form-part-2/
Wow…..all six(?) of the posters seem pretty convinced that this document, the long form, is not a forgery.
(and no, to poster above, simply scanning does not constitute a forgery lol)
As with the paid shills on various other one sided, close minded msg boards you guys/gals ridicule and mock instead of simply being open to new information that might possibly change your mind on something.
Y’all (DP, Dave B, MattR, justlw, JRC, JoZeppy) don’t discuss what was released, which, again is that V Lee has confirmed that it could not possibly be the case that, for the race field, both the #9 and ‘african’ are used.
#9 always indicates ‘not stated’ and would have been double checked by a person whose job was to verify this forms. its hard to mess up.
plus, had ‘african’ actually been written onto a long form in the 60s the ‘verifiers’ probably would have started to laugh, having never seen such a race described on a lfbc previously as he would have been referred to has ‘negro’ for gov’t purposes.
I don’t really care that this document is clearly a forgery for what could possibly be done about it?
You seem to really care that others care that it might be a forgery.
Weird.
You guys mock the 9/11 truthers too, right?
So the story goes, some A-rabs bombed us for our freedoms. Is that right?
Re: “Can a state sue for slander?”
Probably not. But individuals who the Sheriff or Zullo have slandered or libeled probably can sue. Unfortunately, they would have to prove actual malace.
Hi there, Donna
The Doc’s explanation continues to fail to explain #9, ie. how ‘African’ could have possibly made its way onto a document that was it checked by at least two people who would have quickly corrected the field to ‘negro’ had that been the case
OR
the field was blank, as #9 indicates for the ’61 coding Doc posted and ‘African’ was added later.
What does Doc make of this?
You’re new here, aren’t you?
If you read the link right above your comment, you will see that Doc C got a hold of the official instructions related to the coding of these fields and ‘9’ indicates ‘other (nonwhite)’ and not blank as Zullo says the 95 year old Verna Lee indicated to him. There is nothing surprising that African and/or Negro would be used to describe the father, but other (nonwhite) is used for the mixed race child (EDIT: oops. Did not realize that they coded African as other (nonwhite), but that too is not that surprising if the father was trying to differentiate from an American black man (aka Negro))
PS. Yes, the verifiers might have laughed at ‘African’. But how many births do you think they registered in Hawaii for a child with a parent born and raised in Africa?
PPS. Should have read to the bottom and realized this was a 9/11 truther as well which means he is totally immune to logic and reason.
Back in 2008, the media asked the Hawai’i Department of Health about “African” being listed as the father’s race. Kurt Tsue at the HDOH said that father’s race and mother’s race are supplied by the parents, and that “we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be.”
Here’s the illustration:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/cartoonists/120102_cn-seal-bark_p465.jpg
Hey Dave?
This website isn’t an operation that opened up yesterday:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/the-african-race/
Since you’re so full of yourself, why don’t you take a trip to the Docket and read all of the lawsuits that have FAILED: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/Docket.html
Hey Dave? This isn’t an operation that sprang up yesterday:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/the-african-race/
Hey MattR
That’s all cool that the Doc personally got a hold of a different set of official instructions that differ from the one Arpaio’s gang got…..whatever. You guys can agree to disagree hahah
But why is it not weird to have ‘African’ indicated if this isn’t showing up on any other BCs of the era, or hawaii specifically and why is it not in the coding?
native africans did not refer to themselves as “negroes” – i believe that’s an american term
James777…..got a link?
Difficult to trust the ‘media’ on their word alone.
I want to believe you, but…
Hey Dave? Look for a post on this site called The African Race (dated April 3, 2009).
This site isn’t an operation that sprang up yesterday.
When you’re done with that, mosey on over the Docket and read all of the FAILED birther cases.
Have fun!
Dave S. The new info was only new to you apparently, and been debunked long ago. That’s why it’s worth a laugh.
Only in the sense that Judges who smack down Orly are accessories to Treason.
Seems I was confused on the field, Donna. My bad.
Care is the wrong word….immensely amused is probably a better description.
Yes….I also mock flat earthers and other forms of do general loonies.
Actually, the story goes bin Laden orchestrated the attack because we had our troops on Saudi soil, among other general gripes against the US. It’s not like it was the first time he tried to attack US targets generally, or the WTC specifically. But hey, feel free to hide under your tin foil hat, and scream about the black helicopters….I can always use more entertainment.
Will do, bgansel, thanks!!
Back in a jiffy
Ignore the communist leaning liberals who post here. I agree with you. In fact, I did an extensive internet search, and found a Kenya BC, that’s going to bite the Obamster!
Believe this is it a Spanish word, that traveled to America when the Spanish came over and settled in Mexico and parts of the U.S. But I could be wrong as to it’s origins.
You are a mental case. But just in case you are able to read, perhaps you should “be open to new information” and check out John Woodman’s blog and book on the subject. Everything the good shurriff talked about has been long debunked.
Um, yeh, we mock 9/11 troofers, because they are unhinged insane people. Thanks for asking.
Here’s the thing. Arapaios’ gang did not get their hands on a set of instructions. They relied on a phone conversation with a 95 year old woman. If you trust a 95 year old’s memory more than contemperaneous documents, that is up to you. (EDIT: FWIW, by 1968 the coding had been changed so that ‘9’ did in fact indicate ‘unknown or not stated’. So it is quite possible that Ms Lee is remembering the wrong set of codes)
As Jamese777 pointed out, the dept of Hawaii accepted however the parents chose to self identify. The point of the coding is to take the nearly infinite possibilities that can come from that and convert that to a small, finite set of values. Therefore I would not expect to see every possible answer having its own code. Perhaps African should have been coded to ‘Negro’ or perhaps ‘other (nonwhite)’ makes sense. Either way, I don’t think it is unreasonable that either of those two values would have been chosen and there is nothing suspicious about the decision to use ‘9’ over ‘2’
I saw the lord on my toast, this morning.
Misha, I’m a Libertarian, but I guess in the eyes of Evangelical Rightwing nuts, I am a Liberal Commie because I don’t believe the government has any business in marriage, much less same sex marriage.
Negro is Spanish for black. Colorado is Spanish for red.
I dosed off a few times so I missed the Explosive New Evidence, does any one have a link?
Actually, I was really hoping there’d be new information. You may have noticed I was truly delighted to hear that Verna Lee was still with us. I’d love to ask her if my theory is true: that she intentionally “slurred” her first initial to a U, as a fun thing for new parents to discover on the BC.
…but as far as the “forgery” side of the story is concerned, there wasn’t any new information.
Again, you may have noticed that this was explained here: the pencil marks have been discussed and dismissed long ago, and the “investigators”‘ inability to get over that they’re subject to the same privacy laws as the rest of us does not constitute “explosive evidence.”
Finally, I’m actually kind of ticked off that my paid shill salary hasn’t been everything I’d hoped for. But I’m nothing if not a professional, so I carry on nonetheless.
Is it just me, or when Zullo said Obama’s name towards the end of the interview, did it sound like he had a hard time spitting it out? Like the name sickened him?
These drama queens are so SENSITIVE!
Oh shoot, missed that. Great. Enjoy this site. http://www.drjudywood.com/
Yes you are. You just did. – Lewis Black
It could be that someone first typed father’s race as “african” based on what the parents said. Later some else was double checking the information for the data entry and found African is not one of the choices. So that person decided to put 9 (not known or undecided) which IS one of the choices.
Thank you. I took French and English in high school, and Latin in college. Didn’t know that about Colorado. 😉 lol
I don’t but I would like to rewatch the end. I mentioned it above, but I am just realizing that the CCP is starting with the assumption that the State of Hawaii provided a PDF copy of the birth certificate to Obama so he could post it on the Internet. The rest of us recognize that the State of Hawaii provided a printed document to Obama who then arranged for it to be scanned and posted to the Internet (in addition to showing the paper copy to a couple reporters). Zullo seems to believe that posting that scanned copy, even while clearly indicating that it was a scanned copy of a paper original, constitutes criminal fraud and/or forgery. At least I think that is correct, but I would need to rewatch to confirm that (though honestly I don’t know if my brain can handle being forced to listen to that a second time)
MCSO’s press release:
http://mcso.org/MultiMedia/PressRelease/Birth%20Certificate%20Investigation%20Part%20II.pdf
“Colorado” really means red faced like blushing or embarrassed
“rojo(a) is red in spanish
See the “Lloyd’s revenge” scene from Dumb and Dumber for a close equivalent.
We’ve heard it all before.
It’s not new, it’s just poo.
For DaveS, note option 5 as recommendation for Kenyans
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~rmccaa/IPUMSI/CensusForms/Africa/ke1962ef_kenya_enumeration_forms.en.pdf
I met a number of African exchange students at University of Hawaii in 1961, including Obama Sr., they all considered their race as “African”. By the way on my daughters 1965 Hawaiian BC mother’s race is Japanese, Fathers race is Polish. (my parents from Poland, I was born in Chicago, but my wife remembered me telling her I was Polish)
It is certainly nice to have an iron-clad refutation of a major claim by Mike Zullo, posted on this site 4 months ago!
This is not the only smoking gun, however. I only listened to 5 minutes of the press conference (I had to go do something) but in just that brief time I heard the V. K. Lee false claim and another that I can document as a lie.
I will do an article as time permits on the whole thing. I already have the title in mind.
A jiffy was up about fifteen minutes ago.
Of course we mock the 9/11 Truther nuts too. We mock all wacky and unsubstantiated conspiracies and the nuts who tout them.
That includes: those that deny the Moon landing, Flat Earthers, EOTWAWKI shriekers, the whole “black helicopter” FEMA camp / NWO crowd, sovereign citizens, PUMAs, etc, etc.
Bottom line: the Birthers and the rest of those fevered idiots are all ripe for mocking, because they choose to endlessly spout easily debunked nonsense.
You can drop the “pretty” part of the “pretty convinced” but thanks for thinking for my feelings.
Yes, that’s been their claim since March: that the White House and State of Hawaii were lying when they said there ever was a paper document.
But they’re not accusing the president, mind you.
Nice work. It was very handy to be able to quickly reference that article to see how Zullo was misinterpreting/misreporting things.
So you admit that your daughter’s Hawaiian BC is a fake?
I must’ve blocked that possibility out of my head before now because it is just so ludicrous. OTOH, some of their other ridiculous assertions and their answers to questions make a whole lot more sense now that I know the crazy assumptions they are operating under.
Agreed. That pretty much sums it up.
You forgot
cerealserial number.justlw….what a bad joke that was!
You…JoZeppy….anyone else tout the official storyline for 9/11? (Is there a site where the Doc debunks that as well?)
JoZeppy brought up Bin Laden hahah even the i pet goat ii guys know there is a mountain of evidence supporting Bin Laden being a CIA creation gone bad, but certainly no mastermind
You’d also be ignoring the dozens of doctored pentagon 9/11 photos, eyewitness testimonies as to multiple explosions, some beneath them (in the basement), next to zero debris from either the pennsylvania and the pentagon especially but WTCs as well as far as super exotic alloy components within the jet turbine (much of it) that don’t come close to melting in such fires and an endless string of unimaginable coincidences including several dozen israeli suspects being detained in the hours and days following 9/11 only to simultaneously be released weeks later with no info given as to why they were detained in the first place or why they were all released.
The fact that many of you tout the official 9/11 story as ‘the truth’ greatly damages the credibility of this site, imo.
But, the good news is that today you’ve got a convert.
I now believe it is possible Barry’s BC was not a forgery.
Sadly, this changes nothing.
We still have one party gov’t with two faces and both are soooo ugly it makes you sick.
Neither one will work. There can be no compromise. There is no ‘lesser evil’.
What are you gonna do about it?
An obvious point that has not been discussed: The sheriff did not prove that Obama was not born in Hawaii or that he was born somewhere else. In fact, the Sheriff did not even try to prove either of those facts.
That being the case, the press conference certainly did not provide shocking new information.
Chock full o’ fail, as you might expect.
Well, no. Because the certificate the State of Hawaii would issue would say, “This person was born in such and such a foreign country or state other than Hawaii.”
It would not say, as the CCP is hoping you’ll think, “This person was born at Kapiolani Hospital at this very specific date and time, as witnessed by this person.”
Yep. That is the whole thing about extreme RWNJs – when you go that far to the right, *everything* and *everybody* else appears to the “left” of you…
They truly have a warped POV of the rest of the world. Too much “red shift” to see the rest of the world as it actually is…
Yeah, because the Disclose Act was sent down the drain by BOTH parties. NOT!
No one cares about your opinion…you established very quickly that it has no value to speak of.
JRC you really should define what it means to be libertarian to you.
These labels have less meaning every day.
You believe in some taxes, yes?
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude, is that even possible?
I mean, this entire time I’ve been following birther stories, and this is the first time I’ve seen this happen!
It certainly would prove a strike against my long held belief that conspiracy theorists can’t be convinced otherwise.
Yeah? Then perhaps you should consider that when two buildings fall to the ground, they DO fall straight down.
Do you believe in roads that you drive on, or do you walk or take a bike everywhere you go? And if you do, do you use public sidewalks?
No, this is not a truther debunk site, but I’ll just hit one of these for ya. If you look at the final reports on Shanksville and the Pentagon, you’ll find that in each incident they recovered most of the plane.
I read about 20 comments, absolutely zero analysis of evidence here. Peanut gallery in hi self congratulatory mode, I was hoping for some real debunking.
Come on people, the only way to end this is to stop the jokes and snide remarks and offer real insights into why a brief BC receipt was offered as the real Mccoy for two yrs and the anti- birthers swore there was nothing else to release, Then the gov elect of Hawaii swears he will find the long form BC ( since by this time there was a murmuring that it did exist, it had not been destroyed after all) …Abercrombie then searched and came up with zilch.
Later it was found again and was presented online , about two days after the Bin ladin thing, Can one really be smug about this when the sand beneath your feet shifts so much?
Remember , it was Hillary’s camp that began the birther issue, mostly.
These birfoons are something else!
The number nine was obviously a typo, like the Connecticut Social Security Number zip code mistake that everybody knows everybody makes.
Thanks for proving that no amount of debunking will change your mind.
that is funny.
thanks for the great satire of a Birther posting their usual list of falsefactoids.
thanks
Hi DaveS:
This is not a general politics site. If you want to discuss the meaning of libertarian or raise questions about 9/11 you should go elsewhere.
I’m a paid shill? Who’s been getting my checks?
“why a brief BC receipt was offered as the real Mccoy for two yrs and the anti- birthers swore there was nothing else to release”
Didn’t swear that. Swore that there was no reason to release anything else. Which remains true.
“Abercrombie then searched and came up with zilch.”
What he was looking for was a document publicly releasable without heroic efforts. He did find the vital records log, so you’re doubly incorrect here.
“Who really started it” was discussed here not too long ago, with the evidence being that it was not the Hillary camp.
(I still maintain the real genesis of the birther stuff was Andy Martin’s “his middle name is really Mohammed” screed from Obama’s 2004 US Senate campaign, but reasonable people may differ.)
PUMAs actually. Not exactly Democrats. Republican Astroturf.
My sentiment exactly. All sound and fury, signifying nothing. Just a bunch of long-debunked asinine insinuations, with no teeth behind any of them.
Another EPIC FAIL event that was nothing but a yawn-inducing and extremely underwhelming obvious PR stunt.
Like their previous WND-backed attempts at manufacturing a new “swiftboat” meme, it will be quickly forgotten, by all but the hopeless nutters.
If you are interested in debunking, consult the nearly four years of articles that are available through the search window at the top of the page. Articles are also available through clicking on names and subjects along the right margin and at the bottom of the page.
What kind of site is this, Arthur?
From what I can tell…we try to mock and deride anyone new or anyone that might believe Obama’s eligibility is not a dead issue.
But he is a fascist, right? lol
Oh sorry, forgot…not a politics site.
Agreed !!!
And that is the biggest *DUH* that these morons keep (intentionally) omitting, in order to continue to hornswaggle their desperately gullible flock.
This is a site that explores conspiracy theories associated with the birther movement.
If you can’t figure out that a website named ObamaConspiracy.org is dedicated to conspiracies about President Obama, then it is not much surprise you can’t figure out what happened on 9/11.
DaveS: So, where was the President born, if he wasn’t born in Hawaii? Do you actually believe his mother flew 12,000 miles for 3 days to a third-world country that was still recovering from an independence struggle where she didn’t know a soul just to drop a baby and then hightailed it home, somehow sneaking the baby in through Canada or Mexico or something? That’s a ridiculous story. Even you can see that right? So, we can be certain he wasn’t born in Kenya.
In fact, the only story that actually makes sense is the really boring one, where he was born where his mother lived (as 99.99999% of people are) and all the information on the certificate is correct. And since common sense says that is what happened, why forge it?
You really need to use the brain you were given and think about what actually makes sense.
Agreed. That sums it up. He’s quickly destroyed any credibility he might have, by coming over and ranting about utterly off-topic and unrelated conspiracy claptrap. What an obsessed nutter.
Most dramatic scientist ever, hahahaha
I don’t care where he was born.
He’s a loser. He needs to go.
Saaaaaaaaay…
Where is our super special birther pal?
Starts with a “J”, ends with an “N”…told us how we would all be lamenting today?
This morning @7:25, two local talk-radio birther personalities were breathlessly announcing the afternoon presser with a “stop the presses!” like tone. Refused to take calls and moved on to another subject after the 7:30 newsbreak.
Not that I was interested to engage them. I’ve emailed them before about their birtherism and their reply is a copied and paste quote-mine from Apuzzo mangling the Minor v. Happersett obiter dicta.
“Oh!”
I don’t know, where is he?
As would any sane person, she moved on after seeing the COLB (that was four years ago).
Pardon me? Source?
I don’t either.
Romney? Absolutely a loser (and he has a void birth certificate). Obama will go in 2017. I promise. Just for fun, whom do you consider not a loser? Just so I can laugh..
Please go back and read the previous three years’ worth of comments. Everything presented by Sheriff Joke today has already been fully and properly debunked, long ago.
The reason you don’t see more serious comments is that most people posting here and following this issue have been over every single point many times before and there is no new news to debunk.
For example, Governor Abercrombie’s trip to the Department of Health was easily explained by Fox News” a year ago. Abercrombie was looking in the wrong place.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/27/obama-birth-certificate-moved-secure-location-months-ago/
Since Hillary Clinton was running against Barack Obama in the primaries, it made perfect sense for her campaign to look for whatever they could find out about Obama. They found nothing, gave up (as did the McCain campaign) and today Hillary works for the President as his Secretary of State.
If someone were to actually come up with something relevant that is new, I’m sure you would see serious discussion of that information here but rehashed old discredited rumors and innuendos? Not so much.
So, where is an arrest? An indictment? Bueller?
I believe the Constitution gives the power to tax to Congress, and of course the States have the power to tax. Not sure what your question is? But as far as a yes and no answer. The answer is yes.
where was the “notarized affidavit of the forger”?
I’m sure the good Sheriff will be getting arrested, indicted or just plain fired soon enough.
It’s not a receipt, d it is a fully-valid bc. Would you care to comment on Romney’s which says.”VOID” right on it. Of course in 2 years, no one will care what Romney’s says, because he ain’t gonna be elected. Even National Review thinks he needs to release his tax returns. The guy is a total doofus.
More correctly, its a colonialist term.
Obama Sr. was deeply involved in the decolonialization movement in Kenya.
I believe the pertinent reply went something like:
“My monumental and epic investigation is done, but someone else needs to look at this… but who? The FBI is too busy looking at the Secret Service and the GAO and some corrupt cracker sheriff in Arizona, so clearly I can’t hand it over to them. They’re just way too busy.”
Sure he does. But they are toll roads. And he has to mow the grass of the house when he uses their footpath.
Because you are nothing but a glib doofus, who decided to pop in here and spout off on stuff without doing your homework.
As others have tried to inform you, this site isn’t new. None of these crazy claims are new. They have ALL been debunked and covered in numerous other articles already archived here on this site.
If you are actually interested in the “debunking”, then read the archives. These long-dead horses have all been thoroughly addressed on here. There is simply nothing new to add, except to laugh, when the same moldy nonsense rears its ugly head again.
We don’t have to endlessly repeat that water is wet and the sun rises in the east either. *sheesh*
See, your own statements only serve to show how ignorant you are. The COLB which he initially released to the public in 2008, ( which NO other candidate nor president before had ever released, by the way), IS the ONLY OFFICIAL birth certificate form provided by the state of HI. That has been their only official form and format for well over a decade.
The LFBC that he asked for in 2010 had to be generated by special request and permission, as a permittable discretionary exception within HI laws. It wasn’t necessary and only served to confirm EVERY bit of data already known from the COLB. Which of course is another *DUH*, as the information generated on both forms comes from the same source data.
There WAS nothing else to release. NOR was the LFBC ever necessary. Simple as that.
Again, you demonstrate that you are simply a gullible conspiracy nut, with no actual knowledge, beyond what you read off of amateur conspiracy sites. There was no LFBC to “find”. It had to be created from the original source document, which is NEVER released for anyone.
You are incorrect about the Abercrombie situation too: He vowed to inquire about getting it released and did just that. The inquiry came back that he does not have the authority to access nor release original vault birth documents either, regardless of who they are for.
So there was nothing he couldn’t “find”, because he never actually “looked”. He asked if he can access such things and was told “no”. Welcome to reality – NO is a valid answer and the HI DOH is tasked with protecting and maintaining ALL source documents under their purview, for ALL citizens.
You are a gullible and irrationally paranoid fool.
Not her “camp”, no. You simply mean the pathetic PUMAs – a bunch of independent supposed Hillary “followers” on the internet, who did nothing but come up with whiny excuses for why their “Dear Hillary” lost the Primaries…or for why they hated Obama.
Most of the PUMAs voted for McCain in the last election and then moved onto become Birthers, Tea Partiers, Palinistas, etc. Regardless of what many of them”claimed” to be before that point in time, they primarily vote only GOP since 2008…so their claim to be “democratic voters” is tenuous and suspect, at best.
So there really is no difference between the pathetic and irrational kookiness on display, from the PUMAs and Birthers – just a bunch of nobody derangement-syndrome suffering bitter folks on the internet, who come up with a mythology of excuses for their tantrums.
Yeah, especially when I believe a reporter asked about the importance of this compared to the lack of investigation in Joe’s actual real jurisdiction.
BC receipt? What BC receipt? Apparently you are confusing Obama’s short form birth certificate (which in format closely resembles my New York birth certificate) with a “receipt.” This is not a receipt. It’s an actual birth certificate.
http://factcheck.org/Images/image/birth_certificate_images/birth_certificate_2.jpg
As for Abercrombie, if you want to be taken seriously here you need to get your facts straight. Abercrombie never promised to “find” or produce the LFBC. He said that he would look for something which he could release which would prove that Obama was born in Hawaii. After he took office, Abercrombie was advised that there was nothing in the DOH records which he could release without running afoul of Hawaii law, so he dropped it.
“Joe’s actual real jurisdiction.”
you mean over-400 sex assaults and child sex abuse cases?
yeah ole joe was instead dying panties and erecting tents – his racial profiling trial begins on the 19th
EJ Montini on the Arpaio circus today: http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/EJMontini/166735
Wow, I love that. Can I borrow it? 😛
In one of the video’s they say that after talking to Lee, the bc’s were assigned numbers once a month but not alphabetically. WND posted a BC that was from a child (girl) born August 23rd, 1961 at Kapiolani and her number is lower then the Nordykes. Her last name began with the letter “A”.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/visitor-guide/
Again, answers you could easily find for yourself (such as the vast array of archives addressing and thoroughly debunking all of the Birtherism nonsense), if only you weren’t such a lazy fool.
You only have yourself to blame for coming across like an idiot here. That’s what happens when ignorant people shoot their mouths off, with no clue or factual basis to back them…
So no, we don’t need to be polite to new people who introduce themselves by loudly and arrogantly proclaiming their own ignorance and irrational paranoia.
All you do is quickly peg yourself as a discredible nutter, and incapable of having a real adult conversation.
If he thinks the President was involved in the forgery, then wouldn’t one of the investigative committees of Congress be the logical place? Given how much they have accomplished since the Tea Crowd took over, they certainly can’t claim to be busy.
On the other hand, if the President was not involved, but is being punked by a staffer, then just tell the Chief of Staff and have him tell the guy to knock it off.
Sheriff Joe, you can thank me for solving your problem. How about sending me to Hawaii? But I’d rather wait until winter, if that’s OK.
EJ Montini just posted a new article about the Arpaio circus on Arizona Republic but I’m having trouble posting links (the entire post disappears). Google it on AZCentral-dot-com.
A somewhat disturbing thought, which leads to a kind of hilarious discovery.
My sobering realization: The CCP’s revelation that Verna Lee is alive and living in Hawaii means that they’ve just opened her up to a ton of botheration — especially from the birthers, but even from well-meaning Obots who’d like to know just what she told the CCP.
This led to a quick check on the net to see if she’s that hard to find (probable answer: no. After all, even the CCP could find her).
I hate to give people any kind of a clue, but I figure it’s too late, anyway. I also am pessimistic that Corsi and company bothered to give her any kind of a warning that she should take some immediate steps to protect her privacy.
That being said… an extremely cursory Google search very quickly found a Verna K Lee who lives in Honolulu.
She lives on… wait for it…
Malia Street
Let the wild conspiracy rumpus begin.
From EJ Montini:
“After all the presentations, the videos and the question-and-answer period after the press conference the headline to come out of the event is not: “Obama birth certificate a fake”
Or: “State and federal authorities involved in massive cover-up.”
Or: “Every single birth certificate in Hawaii is suspect? (Say it ain’t so, Don Ho.)”
Or: “Why is the entire world ignoring us!!!!???”
Each of them would reflect the impression left from Tuesday’s press conference but wouldn’t tell the REAL story. The only proper headline to accompany a sideshow like the one put on by Arpaio and his cronies on Tuesday would have to be:
“All Crimes in Maricopa County Solved!”
After all, if there were actual criminals perpetrating actual misdeeds within the sheriff’s jurisdiction would he have time to engage in another birther extravaganza?
No.
So, every crime must be solved. Every investigation must be completed. He must have NOTHING else to do.
And there must be no other potentially embarassing news event pending from which the sheriff would like to divert attention.”
Welcome to America. You are entitled to your opinion and are freely able to vote for whoever you chose. Simple as that. No one here cares who you chose to vote for or “needs” your vote. That is your right and that is all that needs to be said on the issue.
There is no need for you to buy into and spread a bunch of nonsense myths, simply as an excuse to cover for your personal tantrum of not liking a particular candidate. Grow up.
Folks like you simply can’t deal with the simple reality that in any election, someone wins and the rest lose. You are not entitled to get the candidate of your personal choice. Welcome to how democracy works in a diverse nation full of over 300 million different people. That is how elections have always worked, so stop acting like an immature baby about it. Deal with it.
Yep. That pretty much sums it up.
The only thing to add is that there hasn’t really been anything “new” in a very long time now…
…so all that we are left with is mild entertainment at watching the endless car-crash retreads from Birtherism, that simply look like all the car-crashes that came before….
“Malia Street”? oh my god
and the cross street is natasha lane?
her phone number is listed too
http://www.whitepages.com/name/Verna-K-Lee/Honolulu-HI/48miq0x
Feel free to use it as often as you like! Truth like this cannot be stressed enough. 🙂
Thank ya much! 🙂
Darn. Arpaio’s event was today? I thought it was tomorrow. Phooey.
I see the Birthers are here pulling their usual “you guys just mock instead of refuting the facts” followed by mockery and Birther BS. I think I’ll go watch The Simpsons–I can’t stomach any stupidity today. My brain is too fried from trigonometric identities.
\Man, you’ve come a long ways from those days when you were so nice to every racist a$$ole that showed up.
Nice and smooth these days!
Just for the heck of it. I just checked the priceline.com, hotwire.com, expedia.com and orbitz.com for flights from Hawaii to Mombasa, Kenya. In 2012, to go from Honolulu International Airport (HNL) to Mombasa – Moi International Airport (MBA), one would need to take at least 4 different flights. A trip requiring 3 flights would cost around $6000. Again, this is year 2012! I can’t even imagine the number of flights Obama’s mother had to take in 1961 IF she had actually traveled to Kenya from Hawaii, delivered Obama and hightailed back to Hawaii so she can register her son as a US citizen. I doubt Dunhams could have afforded the trip much less allowed their 18-year-old pregnent daughter to leave the country. Above all, America is a land of opportunity. People risk their lives to get here. Why would a woman go half way around the world so her child will be a citizen of a poor country with so many problems in 1961. On all counts, birthers are insane!
Ok, let me get this straight…
Barack Obama is President of the United States, the most powerful man on the planet, the man who authorized the death of Bin Laden…..
And you’re Dave S, an anonymous poster on the internets…..
And you’re having trouble figuring out who is a loser, right?
Yeah, all true, but you forgot about all the flying saucers back then that could fly non-stop from Mombasa to Hawaii.
Actually, outside of where one’s personal patience will always vary their reactions, my method of reaction to these folks has been fairly consistent, since the beginning.
It mostly comes down to cause and effect: My attitude in response is often a counter-reflection of the attitude that the poster is giving off.
This particular clown happened to come in like a bull-in-the-china-shop and quickly went off the rails on Truther rants…so he quickly established several reasons to not be taken seriously or be shown much patience, in return.
But you are correct in noticing that with time and experience, it becomes quicker to see through these nutters and their disingenuousness. Some may view that , as hardening cynicism. I would say it is well-founded cynicism.
Bottom line: I have little tolerance of arrogant ignorance and have traditionally shown harsher responses to those that come here with an attitude. Those that are able to (at least for awhile), put on a more adult and sincere argument, are merely given more chances and softer latitude by me, in return. So, my treatment of various posters here has fairly followed that pattern in a consistent manner, all along.
You’ve got to think outside the box. The most obvious solution to this problem is that Stanley Anne was brought aboard USS Nautilus when she was at Pearl, and the CIA arranged to have her brought to Kenya and back via nuclear submarine. Now some of you truthy types will tell me that during the early sixites, Nautilus spent all her time in the Atlantic and the Mediterrean. Go ahead, believe what the government tells you. But when you’re ready to leave the Matrix, I’ll be waiting with the Kool-aid. Wait, did I just mix up my pop-culture references?
I need everybody’s help, it’s serious. I really believed Sheriff Joe would initiate the frog marching today, so I purchased $55,000.00 worth of frogs, I figured I could make a profit on the birthers, then Sheriff Joe flopped, struck out, now I am stuck, that was my retirement money, please someone help.. Joe promised the sound of frogs instead he gave the sound of crickets. Anyone for frog legs?
Oh, gee, sorry rich, I’m turning vegan next week, so . . . have you tried ebay?
Shocking revelations as barack obama’s true birth certificate is revealed. http://www.transformer-ivan.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/obamabirth.jpg
Though I am concerned that it has many layers.
For her sake, I hope she changes it.
For anyone who hasn’t seen the ‘cough’ news conference ‘cough’; there is a very good video here.
http://www.kpho.com/video
Ole Joe says he want’s Congress to look into this… Good luck with that Joe, the congress critters aren’t as ate up with the dumb a$$ as you and your ‘crack’ investigators are.
Donna, I know it’s easily found information …. but posting a direct link to a private citizen’s contact details, who was just “out’d” by the WND machine? Why? For her sake I hope they aren’t current. And gods help the person living there, whoever they may or may not be.
Misha’s covered this quite thoroughly several years ago on his blog. The key takeaway, at least to me, is that 1961 was the bare dawn of the commercial jet age, so don’t expect any of these legs to be as fast as they are today.
Oh, I just spotted an old thread about this on The Straight Dope message board, complete with the requisite birther. Does the handle “Susanann” ring any bells with anyone?
Thanks for the link, as I was working at the time!
The preamble (“we never intended to blow tax payer’s money, really!”) had me in stitches, and I lost it and had to pause when Joe said his intention was to ‘clear’ Obama.
Man, this is going to take awhile!
*sigh* My bad. I shouldn’t have started this line of thought, but the coincidence really grabbed me.
Give this other Doc a call:
http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Doc_Hopper's_Frog_Legs
Thank you. The Kenya birth scenario is physically impossible. Here is the direct link:
http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/03/obama-born-in-kenya-no.html
Also, as I have repeatedly noted, Linda Lingle is Jewish. She felt McCain/Palin would be better for Israel than Obama. If she could have found anything, the GOP would have used it with glee.
Obama will be re-elected. I use Intrade and Nate Silver: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/author/nate-silver/
Here is the perfect solution:
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/EPH/8484.jpg
This site is about Obama’s eligibility and those conspiracy theories surrounding it.
It is quite simple, it is not whether he should be president, but is he eligible. That is all.
And it did, but I survived. Whew. One good ramble deserves another ….
Loving the pick-and-choose …. “We’re sure the birth certificate is fraudulent, but we’re’ convinced the handwritten numerals are authentic and were placed on a 50-yr old document.”
“Remember: All Layers are Not the Same!”
1,200 tests?!? “One used windows, one used a Mac, they used various software.” It’s the scanning hardware itself, dolts! Did anyone designing these ‘test’ make inquiries as to the conditions the PDF was purportedly created under?
“Corsi is a Harvard PhD trained in statistics” (what?) … so, obviously he knows what integers on a birth certificate mean.
The sent a homicide investigator to look into this?!? Oh, dear, who whould Zullo take to Hawaii with him? There was no cost to the taxpayer …. right, even if reimbursed, you just borrowed some manpower.
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Halfway through, enjoying the logic leaps! Boy, right around 42:00 he loses it, dissolves into a rant! Quite a birfy birf, Zullo.
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Arpiao is doddering along, rambling about microfilm … he ignores the audience: “What will the microfilm show?” LOL!
Zullo donated all his book profits to his church?
Multiples pleas of “Oh, if only they answered this onnnnnne question … but no, they said I was asking for a ‘verification'” …. followed up with a rejection of verifications provided. Gosh, didn’t see that coming.
I asked the ghost of Seamus past. He told me, “That pompous ass put me on the roof for 12 hours. He’s the one who needs to go.”
Far better than Mr. Liar who does nothing but lie and stammer his way through his excuses and lies. Seriously one of the biggest liars of a politician that I have ever seen in politics, and I’ve seen some doozies. Just about everything that comes out of his mouth regarding the President is a verifiable lie.
She might want to get her number changed and unlisted I bet birtherstani is now going to be calling her nonstop
Can’t believe this controversy is ongoing. When not posting here, do you people sit and stare at your navels? There is real life going on, all this discussion is just a way to avoid it.
controversy?
There is NO controversy. There are a bunch of malcontents making stuff up and those of us observing and commenting on their shameful behavior. That’s about it.
Real life will continue to go out outside the walls of every internet blog, no matter what hobbies people pursue. Rest assured of that.
I’m a college student. When not posting here or reading posts here, I study and do class assignments. When those are done, I watch TV and play video games. I also do some audio visual editing stuff (it involves adding customized Rifftrax commentary tracks to DVDs).
Do you understand how time works? You split it between your responsibilities, your hobbies, and catering to your survival needs (eating, drinking, sleeping, and hygiene, though I guess that could be categorized as a subset of responsibilities). Time spent here is clearly a subset of hobbies. Why is it Birthers never understand that? Do they just hate disagreement and hope they can shut us up by saying “That’s not important! Stop talking about it.”
Oh, also, like G said, there is no controversy. Obama’s birth in Hawaii is well settled, moreso than any United States president in history.
Yes, that is exactly what these particular types of tantrums from them are really trying to say.
A more literal translation from that Troll would be along these lines: “How dare you keep pointing out our lies. Stop that!!!… waaagh! ”
Why did you name yourself after a flower and a planet?
How can I avoid real life? I have an Afghan hound who has to be walked several times, so I am immersed in Chinatown.
Here’s real life at my door: Cops investigating massage parlor robbery
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dncrime/Cops-investigating-massage-parlor-robbery.html
I also found time for an affair with a studio model, when my wife was out of town.
How much more reality do you want?
We are here to ridicule you, and enjoy doing it. It’s like watching a tiny car full of pedophile clowns crash into Westboro Baptist Church and explode: 1% sad, 99% hilarious.
Ok… what’s the 1% sad?