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When I read Dr. Fukino’s statement in the Hawaii Advertiser, I could almost feel how angry it would make the denialists. I also read a touch of anger in Fukino’s statement–she must  be certainly way past fed up with the whole business.

All of the speculation about foreign registrations under Hawaiian law 337-17.8 and the theories about secret meaning in Fukino’s official statements last October were trashed. The director of the State Department of Health said plainly that Obama was born in Hawaii. For those who have been struggling to gain mind share over the Internet, this must be devastating. Most people still befuddled by birther misinformation will fold up their tents and go home, leaving no one but the hard core Obama haters.

Add to that a week full of media coverage, almost universally negative, with even conservative outlets like Fox News calling the whole business crazy. Even the bastion of conservative intellectual thought, the National Review said: “… this theory is based on unreality, as two minutes’ examining the claims of its proponents reveals.”

Then there was the gratuitous end to Fukino’s statement that Obama is a “natural born citizen”. I can hear them yelling, “HOW DARE SHE! Who is SHE to say who is a natural born citizen?” (The white supremacists may have added a few other choice words in place of “she”.) But who are folks like Orly Taitz and Mario Apuzzo to say that he is not? She is only saying what judges and US attorney generals have said for years. But how arrogant that must have sounded to those whose own unbounded arrogance causes them to ignore mountains of legal opinion and claim that they alone know how to interpret the US Constitution.

No, it has not been a good week to be an Obama eligibility denialist. They must be pretty angry and I understand why.

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75 Responses to Anger

  1. avatar
    Bob July 28, 2009 at 11:15 pm #

    I can hear them yelling, “HOW DARE SHE! Who is SHE to say who is a natural born citizen?”

    That is exactly what Phil at tRSoL said: “So, by what authority does Dr. Chiyome Fukino, a State-level official and employee, use to make any sort of declaration as to the eligibiliy of any candidate for office?”

    Your response about Taitz and Apuzzo having no more “authority” to do so is spot on. (And a commenter over there noted Fukino made no such statement about “eligibiliy”.)

    However, Taitz and Apuzzo are mere private citizens while Fukino issued her statement as official communication of her department. Still, that does not matter: The U.S. Congress makes nonauthoritive statements (i.e., S.R. 511) all the time.

  2. avatar
    Bob July 29, 2009 at 2:20 am #

    Donofrio, takes up the “by what authority??!?” cry, only he claims Fukino’s statement was in response to his prior posting accusing Obama of false swearing. (Post hoc ergo propter hoc much?)

    Donofrio also asks, Where do we place the plaque?” (to memorialize Obama’s birthplace). Donofrio seems only to be kidding, but his rant is too close to the usual birfer trope.

  3. avatar
    Expelliarmus July 29, 2009 at 3:11 am #

    That is exactly what Phil at tRSoL said: “So, by what authority does Dr. Chiyome Fukino, a State-level official and employee, use to make any sort of declaration as to the eligibiliy of any candidate for office?”

    And yet he thought it was a great idea for Donofrio and Berg and Keyes to bring lawsuits against the various secretaries of state in Philadelphia, New Jersey, and California – in order to compel them to make such a determination.

    He’s also an avid supporter of state laws requiring proof of eligibility of Presidential candidates to run.

  4. avatar
    kimba July 29, 2009 at 7:25 am #

    Donofrio comes out at select times and stokes/strokes the faithful. He’s lost the passion/interest in actively supporting the cause, but he seems to like revving them up now and then. Maybe he likes it when ” Well, Leo is now saying…” gets passed around the internet.

  5. avatar
    John July 29, 2009 at 8:58 am #

    “No, it has not been a good week to be an Obama eligibility denialist.”

    I’m not so sure. WND has been investigating and is starting to find holes.

    WND investigative skills are legendary. If anyone can get to the bottom of this, it’s WND.

    This issue will never die.

    Obama will be made to release his Vault Copy BC.

    Obama will never be left alone until he does.

    Congressman and Senators will never be left alone alone.

    Obama, Congressman and Senators will be continued to heckled over this issue until Obama releases his Vault Copy BC.

    I encourage everyone to bring this issue up at every opportunity especially at Town Hall meetings.

    I know that if I attend a townhall meeting of congressman and senator, it is my intention to bring this issue vigoursly.

  6. avatar
    kimba July 29, 2009 at 9:29 am #

    Sorry John. The Republican grown ups have their out now thanks to Dr Fukino. They can say the State of Hawaii has verified Pres Obama was born in Hawaii. That’s what you’ll hear at the next town hall meeting where someone brings it up. If you argue, you’ll look silly because all you can say in disagreement is “The state of Hawaii is lying!” You’ll sound crazier than Crazy Eileen. The birth certificate issue is dead. You weren’t going to accept the birth certificate anyway so what’s it to you? Weren’t you going to just go to the next item on your list if the original was ever displayed?

  7. avatar
    Catbit July 29, 2009 at 9:33 am #

    Make sure you wear a red shirt and carry your birth certificate (original vault version only, please – no copies!) in a plastic bag. Also, adding a prefix to your name may be appropriate – may I suggest Centurion of Registration for American Zealot Yodelers.

  8. avatar
    John July 29, 2009 at 9:35 am #

    Question? – What is the most treasured and protected document in our US Government today?

    Is it the Constitution? Is it the Declaration of Independence?

    No! It is neither of these.

    Answer – Obama’s Vault Copy Birth Certificate in the most treasured and protected document in our US government today.

  9. avatar
    kimba July 29, 2009 at 9:36 am #

    And lest you forget John, WND is on the record as finding Barack Obama’s COLB to be authentic:

    “A separate WND investigation into Obama’s certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic.”

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

    That was back when it was a Democrat, Berg, challenging Barack Obama. It was great fun for WND to discredit a Democrat. Not so much when the right wing took up the cry. WND is not a news organization. It is a front for rich neocons to stoke the base and make money.

  10. avatar
    kimba July 29, 2009 at 9:41 am #

    Good point. I couldn’t figure out what the baggie was about until someone pointed out that some people think what they have is the original. I remember when I left the nest, my Mother gave me a copy of mine, and said to put it somewhere safe and don’t lose it. She seemed to think it would be difficult to get another copy. But she knew it wasn’t the original. I asked her about it the other day and she said that she knew even in the early 80s I’d never get one like it if I lost it – the typewritten on the card copy.

  11. avatar
    John July 29, 2009 at 9:42 am #

    Thanks to WND, Dr. Fukino’s statement only raises more questions.

    Obama! Where’s the Birth Certificate?

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105347
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105280
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105262

  12. avatar
    Mary Brown July 29, 2009 at 9:50 am #

    John she said he was born in Hawaii. WND can say whatever it wants. Their response was very predictable. Do you know why they do it? To make money. Have you been asked to give money at this site? No. John they are in this to get your money out of your pocket and into theirs. I have read WND. No news except that you are gullible enough to believe them.

  13. avatar
    kimba July 29, 2009 at 9:55 am #

    WND is on record as saying Pres Obama’s COLB is authentic. They have never taken it back or equivicated, they just buried it.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

    “A separate WND investigation into Obama’s certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren’t originally there.”

  14. avatar
    Black Lion July 29, 2009 at 10:05 am #

    Hey John, what about when WND stated the following…

    “A separate WND investigation into Obama’s certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren’t originally there.”

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

    That was a result of a WND investigation and they did find holes, in the birther theory that the COLB was fake.

    Joseph Farah himself says the following…

    “Yes, it is true that I do not believe that document to be a forgery and WND has reported that.”

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=104163

    And even the western center for journalism, the company that owns WND says the following…

    “In discussing the Certification of Live Birth that the Obama campaign claims was posted on the web, Orly Taitz also asserts that “Hawaii has statute 338 that allows foreign-born children of Hawaiian residents to get Hawaiian birth certificates.” What she is referring to here is the 1982 amendment of the vital records law. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, state policies and procedures could accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an original birth certificate on record. But though Act 182 does provide children born out of state with a birth certificate it does not provide them with birth certificates that say that these children were born in Hawaii or at a specific location in Hawaii. Consequently these birth certificates cannot engender Certifications of Live Birth which state that the subject was born in Honolulu, as the purported Obama Certification of Live Birth does. So if the Obama Certification of Live Birth was not forged, it could not have been engendered by an Act 182-authorized birth certificate for “children born out of state”. And if it was forged, the false information on it was not based on anything that could be on an Act-182 authorized birth certificate. So Orly Taitz’ assertion that “Hawaii has statute 338 that allows foreign-born children of Hawaiian residents to get Hawaiian birth certificates” is irrelevant.”

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/?p=2686

    So basically your heros at WND have already finished their investigation and exposed the birthers for what they are, fools. WND is basically conning your birthers into thinking that they are doing something because they want you to continue contributing your money to the billboard and email campaigns. Other than that you better chance of Orly winning a case than WND coming up with any real evidence against President Obama.

  15. avatar
    Epectitus July 29, 2009 at 10:08 am #

    WND investigative skills are legendary. If anyone can get to the bottom of this, it’s WND.

    When I read that, I laughed out loud. And then I went, “Oh. That’s John. He was being serious.”

    And I laughed again.

  16. avatar
    Black Lion July 29, 2009 at 10:11 am #

    Kimba, John won’t respond to any of us regarding the fact that WND and Farah himself has authenticated the COLB and believes that it is not a forgery. You see he can’t. If he does accept that, then he has to accept the fact that he has been conned and there is no really issue, and that the birthers are being exposed for what they are, a fringe movement. He is no different that JTX when you ask him to cite laws to support his strong belief in the BNA. They make a statement, it is refuted with facts, and they ignore your response and make the same statement again. I guess they think that if you repeat something enough times, people may think that it is true.

  17. avatar
    Epectitus July 29, 2009 at 10:11 am #

    By that standard, so is mine.

  18. avatar
    AdrianInFlorida July 29, 2009 at 10:15 am #

    WND’s investigative skills are ‘Legendary’????
    Is this the same WND that said, last year, that President (Then candidate)Obama’s COLB was legit? If so, how can it now not be legit? Farah, Corsi, et al, are snake oil salesmen, lower on the food chain than even Drudge.

  19. avatar
    Rob in Denver July 29, 2009 at 11:04 am #

    That WND story was also published about the time that McCain/Palin were still enjoying their post-convention bounce in the polls… which many loyal Republicans and conservatives felt would carry the ticket to victory in November.

  20. avatar
    Bob July 29, 2009 at 11:11 am #

    Where’s the Birth Certificate?

    In Hawaii.

    Next question.

  21. avatar
    kimba July 29, 2009 at 11:18 am #

    Good point. See markcon over on the birther bubble thread. Same thing.

  22. avatar
    kimba July 29, 2009 at 11:19 am #

    ba-dump-bump ( that’s one of misha’s rimshots for your little ha-ha)

  23. avatar
    Heavy July 29, 2009 at 11:46 am #

    The REAL question is where has NBC been?

  24. avatar
    misha July 29, 2009 at 1:47 pm #

    “I guess they think that if you repeat something enough times, people may think that it is true.”

    If you repeat a lie often enough, people will begin to belive it. Joseph Goebbels

  25. avatar
    misha July 29, 2009 at 1:48 pm #

    In Honolulu, helping Obama cover his tracks.

  26. avatar
    Catbit July 29, 2009 at 2:34 pm #

    Didn’t GWB say the same thing – “If you repeat the propaganda enough, it will become the truth.” (or something like that..)

  27. avatar
    Bob July 29, 2009 at 2:40 pm #

    If you repeat a lie often enough, people will begin to belive it. Joseph Goebbels

    Ironically, there’s no proof Goebbels actually said that.

  28. avatar
    misha July 29, 2009 at 3:12 pm #

    “Ironically, there’s no proof Goebbels actually said that.”

    Whoops. How about this: If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

  29. avatar
    misha July 29, 2009 at 3:20 pm #

    What is the most treasured and protected document in our US Government today? This is.

  30. avatar
    kimba July 29, 2009 at 3:33 pm #

    He probably is with Bob Weber, highest paid Obot!

  31. avatar
    Bob Weber July 29, 2009 at 5:09 pm #

    Misha sez he gets more, but won’t reveal the terms of his contract. Plus he gets discounts at all the Jewish-owned stores.

    [:^)

  32. avatar
    Bob Weber July 29, 2009 at 5:39 pm #

    The birfers have become a full-fledged cult, and I’m not sure they’ll ever go away. As in all cults, contrary evidence is just proof of the vastness of the conspiracy.

    Example: In the early stages of the cult, one of their arguments was “Why hasn’t anyone produced a birth listing from the Hawaii newspapers?” When a PUMA dug up the birth listings and posted them to the internet (so there IS at least one birfer with some integrity, after all!) it just became more proof of the conspiracy: the listings were planted by Granny Dunham in 1961, or the microfilm is a fake, blah, blah, blah.

    Ironic to see this backfiring on the GOP. Like it or not, they’re stuck with the birfers. I don’t think they can do anything to quiet them. But they were encouraging the fever swamps for years.

    Consider Ann Coulter and her books like “Treason”. She actually devoted 1/3 of one of her books to promoting evolution denial. I’m sure she didn’t believe 1/2 of what she wrote in her books, but the people she encouraged are now trashing her for not being a birfer.

  33. avatar
    Bob Weber July 29, 2009 at 5:54 pm #

    I forgot to mention that there are so many comment threads on FreeRepublic that is impossible to follow them now. Something like 200 active threads yesterday. As previously noted, much of the “commentary” is disjointed copy-and-paste jobs with no hint of logical argumentation. Also as previously mentioned, I’ve seen my own writing copied-and-pasted into the middle of these “comments”. There was one yesterday. Either they don’t even read the stuff they’re pasting, or their reading comprehension skills are at 3rd grade level. Probably both.

  34. avatar
    misha July 29, 2009 at 7:55 pm #

    Yes, we’re issued a card which states

    The International Jewish Conspiracy™

    We get discounts on a bris, lox, bagels, and if necessary, a kidney. (bada-bing)

  35. avatar
    kimba July 29, 2009 at 8:10 pm #

    HA! Misha knows all the right people.

  36. avatar
    jtx July 30, 2009 at 7:40 pm #

    Bob:

    Try reading, Bob, rather than misstating something you’ve apparently not read – or don’t comprehend.

    The Kerchner case states that Obama has never conclusively proved that he is eligible to hold the office he occupies. That statement is factually correct and no reputable authority has even shown otherwise. And that certainly includes all the Flying Monkeys on this blog.

    As for Fukino’s misdirected statement it is actually printed as “natural-born citizen” rather than a non-hyphenated term which is the term of art used in the Constitution. Those are different things. In addition she uses a rather odd term “Vital Records” if I recall which could of course be the known fraudulent COLB.

    I’m willing to wait for the court ordered discovery to find out. Obama may not be. Perhaps he’ll just resign and move to Kenya with his folks rather than have his “embarrassing” secret become public :-).

  37. avatar
    jtx July 30, 2009 at 7:45 pm #

    kimba:

    Fukino has said nothing meaningful since it is the court system that decides the eligibility issue under the Constitutional provisions – not some minor HI functionary no matter how carefully she parses her words.

    Why don’t you send the following letter to YOUR Congressmen:

    “During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?

    Please respond in writing over your signature.”

    Be sure to post, verbatim, your responses here.

  38. avatar
    jtx July 30, 2009 at 7:48 pm #

    kimba:

    And apparently WND has learned and revised their belief which is a sign of educated investigation.

    The Flying Monkeys, OTOH, still stick to their same old nonsense.

  39. avatar
    Bob July 30, 2009 at 7:50 pm #

    Try reading, Bob, rather than misstating something you’ve apparently not read – or don’t comprehend.

    Coming from you, the irony is great, indeed.

    The Kerchner case states that Obama has never conclusively proved that he is eligible to hold the office he occupies.

    AGAIN: And what law requires Obama to demonstrate such eligibility?

    That statement is factually correct and no reputable authority has even shown otherwise.

    It would appear Obama has “conclusively” proved it to millions of people.

    As for Fukino’s misdirected statement it is actually printed as “natural-born citizen” rather than a non-hyphenated term which is the term of art used in the Constitution.

    She also didn’t capitalize the “c” in “citizen.” Squint harder!! You can almost read her secret message!!!!

    In addition she uses a rather odd term “Vital Records”

    Are you more of an expert in vital records that the Hawaii’s Director of its Department of Health?

    if I recall which could of course be the known fraudulent COLB.

    No evidence it is fraudulent.

    I’m willing to wait for the court ordered discovery to find out.

    Get comfy; you’ll be waiting a looooong time.

    Perhaps he’ll just resign and move to Kenya with his folks rather than have his “embarrassing” secret become public.

    Or perhaps he’ll declare his birthday “Free Doughnuts for Everyone Day!”

  40. avatar
    jtx July 30, 2009 at 7:51 pm #

    Black Lion:

    And you – as is your wont – completely (and conveniently) miss the real point which is that Obama has never shown to any definitive authories that he is qualified to hold the office he now occupies.

    All we hear is a bunch of nattering and personal insults from you in the Flying Monkey Squadron.

  41. avatar
    Bob July 30, 2009 at 7:51 pm #

    Why don’t you send the following letter to YOUR Congressmen:

    Why don’t you? Can’t spare the 43 cents?

  42. avatar
    Bob July 30, 2009 at 7:54 pm #

    that Obama has never shown to any definitive authories that he is qualified to hold the office he now occupies.

    Who are these “definitive authorities”? What law governs their authority?

  43. avatar
    jtx July 30, 2009 at 7:54 pm #

    Mary Brown:

    Birth certificate(s) are merely one item in the fact finding process. Necessary but not sufficient.

    The issue has always been … and still is … is the man legally eligible to hold the office he now occupies??

    We’ll find out before long I suspect.

  44. avatar
    kimba July 30, 2009 at 7:56 pm #

    Why would I send such a letter to my Congressman? I have no doubt Barack Obama is a natural born citizen. Neither does she. Nor do most Americans. Most importantly, none of your Republican leadership doubts it either.

  45. avatar
    jtx July 30, 2009 at 7:57 pm #

    Black Lion:

    Read my pips … the BC is not the issue but it (or they since there are quite possibly altered or amended or supplemental versions) will at some point be disgorged by HI under court order as one of the facts in the findings of fact leading to a legal determination of whether the man is Constitutionally eligible to hold the office he now occupies.

  46. avatar
    kimba July 30, 2009 at 7:59 pm #

    Revised their belief? What a bunch of happy monkey sh!t. On the contrary, WND never retracted or revised finding Barack Obama’s COLB to be authentic. They just hid the original story and pretend it doesn’t exist.

  47. avatar
    richCares July 30, 2009 at 8:04 pm #

    Delusions don’t count!

  48. avatar
    Bob July 30, 2009 at 8:18 pm #

    Has the Goebbels quote ever been sourced?

  49. avatar
    dunstvangeet July 30, 2009 at 8:25 pm #

    And, jtx, you have yet to show me the law that shows that U.S. Citizenship law cares one bit about what the British Nationality Act says.

    You have yet to show me one court case that the opinion of the court says that.

    So, my question, is why are you giving veto power to Great Britian over who Americans choose to be President?

  50. avatar
    nbc July 30, 2009 at 8:31 pm #

    whether the man is Constitutionally eligible to hold the office he now occupies.

    Yes he is.
    Nothing new here.

  51. avatar
    nbc July 30, 2009 at 8:31 pm #

    Haha…

  52. avatar
    nbc July 30, 2009 at 8:33 pm #

    We’ll find out before long I suspect.

    Unlikely.

  53. avatar
    Bob July 30, 2009 at 8:51 pm #

    Senate also says Obama born in Hawaii.

  54. avatar
    jtx July 30, 2009 at 10:35 pm #

    Bob:

    The law is the US COnstitution, q.v.

    Obama has NEVER proved conclusively that he is eligible under the Constitution – nor has anyone else.

    You’re right the “c” wasn’t capitalized but it’s the hyphenation that makes the term different more that the lower case but it’s perceptive of you to also realize that whe actually made 2 distinctions. Mow, are you going to claim that she’s the one who gets to determine eligibility under our law???

    There’s plenty of evidence around showing the Web COLB is bogus 0 you Obamatrons just won’t admit it. But as I’ve frequently said and as the National Review has now opined, almost all he’s told about himself is full of lies – the real issue is the man’s eligibility to hold the office he now occupies.

    The discovery process shouldn’t take too long despite the expected foot-dragging and stalling. Then we can get onto the law of the matter … and what to do about it.

  55. avatar
    jtx July 30, 2009 at 10:37 pm #

    Bob:

    I did and so have others. Why don’t you also??

  56. avatar
    jtx July 30, 2009 at 10:38 pm #

    kimba:

    Why do you on this blog persist in calling Obama a liar – he told you that at birth he was governed by the BNA of 1948.

    Surely you can spell BRIT???

  57. avatar
    jtx July 30, 2009 at 10:40 pm #

    You’re talking to the wrong guy – it was your own hero who told you that.

    How is it that he was born a British Citizen and now, suddenly, morphed into a natural born citizen – especially when he says daddy was a furriner? Are you calling him a liar?? Guess so.

  58. avatar
    dunstvangeet July 30, 2009 at 11:18 pm #

    JTX, I don’t care if he was born a British Citizen, or if he was born a citizen of Krypton, or Mesopotania. That is all not relevant, since British Nationality Law does not trump anything in U.S. Law.

    So, please show me where we care what the British Nationality Act says, jtx. You have yet to do this. The British Nationality Act is a bit like saying, “It can’t be this hot. It’s only 30 in Africa.” when discussing the temperature here.

    The British Nationality Act is not relevant to whether or not Barack Obama is a Natural-Born Citizen.

  59. avatar
    dunstvangeet July 30, 2009 at 11:23 pm #

    There’s plenty of evidence around showing the Web COLB is bogus 0 you Obamatrons just won’t admit it. But as I’ve frequently said and as the National Review has now opined, almost all he’s told about himself is full of lies – the real issue is the man’s eligibility to hold the office he now occupies.

    You mean the evidence submitted by Dr. Ron Pollard, who has no forensic document examining experience? You mean TechDude, that no birther will stand by? Please show me this evidence. The only statement by an expert who’s actually an expert is one that says that she can’t make a determination as to whether or not it’s authentic without observing the original document. Please show me this so-called evidence.

    Now, on the other side, we have the entire State of Hawaii Department of Health saying “it’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate.” Not to mention the Director who stated, “…Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, and is a Natural-Born American citizen.”

    Yeah, I’m going to go with the fake experts over the experts who verify that he was born in Hawaii.

  60. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 30, 2009 at 11:36 pm #

    Darn, jtx. You had that quote right a couple of time and now you went right back to the same false citation again. I am really so disappointed.

  61. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 30, 2009 at 11:38 pm #

    Actually, Obama proved his eligibility to be president when he presented his birth certificate in June of 2008.

  62. avatar
    nbc July 31, 2009 at 12:01 am #

    There’s plenty of evidence around showing the Web COLB is bogus

    There is NO credible evidence. Furthermore the validity of the COLB has been verified.

    Denial…. What else is there left for my pal

  63. avatar
    nbc July 31, 2009 at 12:05 am #

    Still misquoting I notice

    Why do you on this blog persist in calling Obama a liar – he told you that at birth he was governed by the BNA of 1948.

    He did not say that He was governed but rather that His Status was governed.

    You may not like the following opinions either

    Young Steinkauler who was born in St Louis after his father had been naturalized in the United States the father subsequently returning to Germany and taking the boy with him is a native born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of twenty one and in due time if the people elect he can become President of the United States

    and

    Moreover, if as is suggested, he [LaFayette ] was born to the advantages of a double allegiance, upon attaining his majority he exercised the right which was his of electing the government to which he would give allegiance, and that election related back to the time of his birth.

    and

    But the subjection of the son to the father did not destroy, or even affect, the citizenship of the former; all the privileges and all the duties pertaining to that right were his; he might be called from under the father’s authority to serve and defend the United States or the State of his residence.

    Happy dreams

  64. avatar
    nbc July 31, 2009 at 12:10 am #

    Still misrepresenting the facts I notice

    How is it that he was born a British Citizen and now, suddenly, morphed into a natural born citizen – especially when he says daddy was a furriner? Are you calling him a liar?? Guess so.

    His status was governed by British Law which of course is of no relevance to US law which states that anyone born on US soil, regardless of the nationality of the parents is natural born. The with allegiance to is equivalent to jus soli. Birth and allegiance go hand in hand.
    Seems that some are confused about the term allegiance.

    That Obama at birth had dual allegiance is of no relevance since that was a temporary burden he could chose to shake loose once reaching the age of majority when he could continue his natural born birthright.

    It’s really that simple and the law backs me up. You may give that try as well.

  65. avatar
    Bob July 31, 2009 at 2:15 am #

    The law is the US COnstitution, q.v.

    Please be more specific. What part of the Constitution requires Obama to demonstrate his eligibility?

    Obama has NEVER proved conclusively that he is eligible under the Constitution

    Never proved it conclusively…to you.

    You’re right the “c” wasn’t capitalized but it’s the hyphenation that makes the term different more that the lower case but it’s perceptive of you to also realize that whe actually made 2 distinctions.

    Distinctions that have no legal significance.

    Mow, are you going to claim that she’s the one who gets to determine eligibility under our law???

    Funny, Donofrio’s suit was the claim the Secretary of State could determine elibility, when no law says so. So you were for extralegal determinations before you were against them?

    There’s plenty of evidence around showing the Web COLB is bogus

    If there’s plenty of it, it should be no problem for you to actually cite it.

    The discovery process shouldn’t take too long despite the expected foot-dragging and stalling.

    The discovery process in which case?

  66. avatar
    Bob July 31, 2009 at 2:16 am #

    Because I have no doubt Obama is eligible.

  67. avatar
    richCares July 31, 2009 at 2:38 am #

    Just thinking, jtx’s delusions probably encroach on other aspects of his life as well, can you imagine the misery he must be in, poor guy having so many crises to cope with. Gotta feel sorry for him! The eligibility issue has been over for many months, jtx needs another life, maybe he can buy some white sheets and join heavy the bigot.

  68. avatar
    jtx August 1, 2009 at 2:38 pm #

    richCares:

    The eligibility issue will be over when Mr. O proves definitiely in court that he is eligible with factual material and legal rulings … none of which are on this website.

    It surely WAS nice of Larry to send a signed copy of his book with a very thoughtful inscription, though:

    “The inscription will read as follows:
    To Barack Obama,

    Had you shown the Audacity to be honest in the Fall of 2007 your people would not have had to murder Donald Young to save you, and your wife would not have had to face the public knowing you “pitch and catch” with men. You are the one who has brought shame and embarrassment on your family, not I. The TRUTH is right here in these pages and you and Michelle know it. Soon so will all the world for History sake.

    Happy 48th Birthday.
    Larry Sinclair”

    What a sweet guy don’t you think? Maybe he’ll be invited to the W. H. Beer Emporium for a big cool one??

  69. avatar
    richCares August 1, 2009 at 2:58 pm #

    The eligibility issue will be over when Mr. O proves definitiely in court that he is eligible with factual material and legal rulings

    SURE!

  70. avatar
    Bob August 1, 2009 at 2:59 pm #

    The eligibility issue will be over when Mr. O proves definitiely in court that he is eligible with factual material and legal rulings

    Which court? Which case?

  71. avatar
    misha August 1, 2009 at 3:18 pm #

    To borrow a line from Network, what kinda shit you talkin’?

  72. avatar
    dunstvangeet August 1, 2009 at 4:06 pm #

    Thanks for the laugh. At least you know that there is someone who’s more insane than you, jtx.

  73. avatar
    nbc August 1, 2009 at 4:08 pm #

    JTX appeals to Larry Sinclair. Figures.

  74. avatar
    nbc August 1, 2009 at 4:08 pm #

    Unlikely given the US Constitution. Perhaps JTX has no use for it?

  75. avatar
    misha August 2, 2009 at 12:37 am #

    The Citizen Grand Juries bookclubs have no use for the Constitution – it gets in the way of mob rule.