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Our Lady Liberty (take 2)

Orly Taitz seemed to embrace the appelation “Our Lady Liberty” when somebody wrote it on her blog a few months back. When I saw that (besides feeling it was very inappropriate) my mind went to that American icon, the Statue of Liberty.

However, after Orly’s recent comments about Bastille Day, I realized that I had the wrong image. There is a much more appropriate image, much in line with Orly’s vision of her role, and her ultimate victory over Obama.

Liberty

Liberty

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97 Responses to Our Lady Liberty (take 2)

  1. avatar
    Bob July 16, 2009 at 7:27 pm #

    Orly: “The judge told us to refile in Florida.”

    (For those who care, Judge Land is George W. Bush appointee.)

  2. avatar
    Bob July 16, 2009 at 8:46 pm #

    Text of Judge Land’s dismissal order.

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    misha July 16, 2009 at 9:52 pm #

    I realize this could be considered hearsay, but I found this:

    “Teacher from Kenmore recalls Obama was a focused student”

    http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html

  4. avatar
    Expelliarmus July 16, 2009 at 10:13 pm #

    B.S. The Judge probably told her that he didn’t have jurisdiction over the claim for wrongful discrimination against the employer… and suggested that Florida would be the appropriate venue for that case, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama.

    I can think of several very good reasons why Cook’s employer would have ample justification to fire him… so I don’t think that case will go very far.

  5. avatar
    Mary Brown July 17, 2009 at 1:10 am #

    His employer is subject to the will of the DOD. My husband works on a military base for a contractor. He is retired. He told me that DOD can tell the contractor that the employee is not acceptable. She can file whatever she wants, it won’t help him. I did not see any military members there to support him, in uniform or out of uniform. You would think that since this issue is of such gravity that some who support him would have been there to voice their concerns.

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    Shrieking wombat July 17, 2009 at 1:25 am #

    I’m wondering if Orly may live to regret trying to screw around with the US Army:

    “18 USC § 2387. Activities affecting armed forces generally

    (a) Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United States:
    (1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States; or (2) distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States—

    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. “

  7. avatar
    misha July 17, 2009 at 2:20 am #

    That is exactly what I am hoping for. She should try this BS in Russia, or Israel.

    She is beyond chutzpah. She, Berg, Kidd and the rest of their coterie are vermin.

    BTW, she is the beneficiary of liberalism. As a refusenik, Israel gave her subsidized housing, mortgage and tuition. And now she denounces this, and screams about socialism. Kettle, pot.

  8. avatar
    SvenMagnussen July 17, 2009 at 9:38 am #

    The rumor is spreading that DoD revoked Cook’s Security Clearance. That would be justification for firing and it would put the issue squarely with Obama.

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    thisoldhippie July 17, 2009 at 9:46 am #

    Wow, rumor and speculation, fodder for birthers. My father has high security clearance in Civil Service and works closely with the military. I can assure you that in order to keep that clearance he had better be crossing all of his T’s and dotting all of his I’s because they can yank it anytime they choose.

  10. avatar
    Expelliarmus July 17, 2009 at 9:54 am #

    If he is refusing to acknowledge the legitimacy of the sitting President, the DOD darn well better revoke his security clearance.

  11. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 17, 2009 at 10:01 am #

    Rumors mean nothing and those who base their actions on them are [carefully choosing words here] lacking in judgment.

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    Black Lion July 17, 2009 at 10:04 am #

    There is an interesting article on the birther conspiracy in the Washington Independent today.

    http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam

    A couple of interesting quotes from the article…

    “Six months into Obama’s presidency, after scores of embarrassing legal defeats, and even after tussles between the attoneys who’ve turned frivolous lawsuits about the president’s citizenship into full-time jobs, the cottage industry of conspiracy theories about the president’s birth shows no signs of disappearing. The theories have found a home in talk radio and on conservative web sites such as Free Republic and WorldNetDaily. Conspiracy theorists are increasingly sending letters to their local papers, embarrassing members of Congress at town hall meetings, and hounding Hill staffers about challenges to the president’s citizenship.”

    My personal favorite is the response by Janice Okubo regarding the infamous HI Statute 338 which was passed in 1982 that the birthers like to use to support their ridiculous theories…

    “Instead of terminating the conspiracy theories, that inspired new theories — that the certificate had been forged or that even if it hadn’t been forged it was the sort of certificate that could be given to someone born outside of the United States. But the certificate is specific about Obama’s birth in Honolulu, down to the 7:24 p.m. time.”

    “It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”

    “Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”

    Of course there will be birthers that won’t believe Ms. Okubo or question the veracity of the article. But there is not much more she or the state could say without violating the privacy rights of President Obama or his late mother.

  13. avatar
    Black Lion July 17, 2009 at 10:09 am #

    Sven, you do realize that the DoD can revoke your security clearance at any time? And Prsident Obama would have nothing to do with it. Questioning orders from the Army chain of command would be a quick way to lose your security clearance. And he was a civilian contractor. He did not work for the DoD. So there can be no wrongful termination. However if he had a real lawyer instead of a dentist and a disbarred assistant, he would have been informed that he could be risking his civilian job by questioning the Army chain of command. And requesting to be a “CO’…The military takes the issue of security clearance very seriously…

  14. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 17, 2009 at 10:18 am #

    Meditate on the phrase “disgruntled employee”.

  15. avatar
    AdrianInFlorida July 17, 2009 at 10:22 am #

    You’re assuming that President Obama had anything to do with this coward’s being fired. I’d be willing to bet his reserve unit’s CO (Located at MacDill AFB) got in touch with the Base CO and others, informed them that they had a troublemaker/traitor/coward working on base for one of their contractors, and got the ball rolling to keep him from ever stepping foot on base ever again.

    Cook is a coward, and tried to gin the system to get some noteriety for him and Taitz, he failed.

  16. avatar
    Bob July 17, 2009 at 10:53 am #

    But Cook got a judgment!

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    Bob July 17, 2009 at 11:06 am #

    But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say.

    What is really funny is Phil on tRSoL parses every statement Okubo in an effort to prove that Hawaii does not really have Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate on file. All of Okubo’s statements are really coded messages that’s there’s no birth certificate — she’s just being very, very subtle about it.

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    Black Lion July 17, 2009 at 11:15 am #

    You have to remember that Phil is a birther. He will only source World Net Daily and similar sources. When you bring up documented proof to support your contrary claims, he usually doesn’t have a comment. I will admit he is the only birther site that will allow non-birthers to post and give their opinion. You are correct, no matter how many times Dr. Okubo’s statements are shown, he claims that they are saying that there is no legitimate BC on file. Which as you can see in this article she basically is saying the opposite. I do like the way that she points out that the city of birth says Honolulu. Most birthers neglect to mention that when they quote HI 338. Kind of like when they use the infamous Indonesian school record. The part that says he is Soetero, Muslim, and an Indonesian citizen is OK, but the part that says he was born in Honolulu is obviously a mistake.

  19. avatar
    kimba July 17, 2009 at 11:19 am #

    From law firm that specializes in security clearance representation:
    http://www.fedattorney.com/security_clearance.html
    – Remember that the burden is on you to prove you are a person “whose personal and professional history affirmatively indicates loyalty to the United States, strength of character, trustworthiness, honesty, reliability, discretion, sound judgment, as well as freedom from conflicting allegiances and potential for coercion, and willingness and ability to abide by regulations governing the use, handling, and protection of classified information.” If there is a concern about any of these factors, you are “guilty” until you prove your trustworthiness. In 1988, the United States Supreme Court ruled in Department of the Navy v. Egan, that there is no right to a security clearance. There is almost total discretion to grant or deny a clearance. –

    I’d say challenging the legitimacy of the President puts your loyalty, reliability and judgement in doubt.

  20. avatar
    Joyce July 17, 2009 at 11:24 am #

    “However if he had a real lawyer instead of a dentist and a disbarred assistant, he would have been informed that he could be risking his civilian job by questioning the Army chain of command.”

    Can he sue Orly for that?

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    kimba July 17, 2009 at 11:24 am #

    Oh, and there is a DOD process by which someone challenges revoking of security clearance. Tip for Orly: It ain’t in the Florida civil courts. So the next court you file in will tell you it doesn’t have jurisdiction either.

  22. avatar
    kimba July 17, 2009 at 11:35 am #

    2/3 of the comments at RSOL come from “Obots” and the back and forth between Obots, Phil and birthers. If Phil banned Obots, he’d lose most of his comment traffic. Check out the posts on topics that “Obots” aren’t interested in, like the states rights posts. Minimal comments.

  23. avatar
    Bob July 17, 2009 at 11:38 am #

    I will admit he is the only birther site that will allow non-birthers to post and give their opinion

    Except it isn’t.

    tRSoL censors (excuse me, “moderates”) its comments. Phil makes up arbitrary rules about what is appropriate commentary, and then is highly selective about how those rules are applied. (And I am fairly certain his rules were created in response to me.)

    I stopped commenting on Phil’s site when he censored a totally innocuous comment of mine that he claimed “didn’t further the dialog.” And he censors people for saying things like, “It is obvious that birfers think….” but he has no problem in engaging himself in that kind of analysis.

  24. avatar
    kimba July 17, 2009 at 11:43 am #

    And he gets really grumpy if you suggest that challenging the President’s eligibility is really about the President’s race.

  25. avatar
    Bob July 17, 2009 at 12:04 pm #

    Orly’s back from Georgia…and talking healthcare. What? No gloating about the great victory yesterday?

    Bonus: Taitz is the Worst Person in the World. For two nights in a row!

    Bonus bonus: Obama’s actual (hardcopy) letter to Kapi’olani Medical Center.

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    misha July 17, 2009 at 12:22 pm #

    Amen.

    My wife works for a defense contractor. She applied for a SC, and was rejected. They did not give a reason, nor do they have to. I don’t like your looks is enough of a reason.

    Cook is a fool. As I wrote before, I am amazed at the people Orly gets to take the fall for her.

    Of course, she is a graduate of the world class Taft Law School diploma mill. I can imagine her dental skills. Marathon Man, anyone?

  27. avatar
    misha July 17, 2009 at 12:27 pm #

    “That would be justification for firing and it would put the issue squarely with Obama.”

    What in the world would Obama have to do with revoking a SC? You guys really hate him. Where were you when Bush said Iraq had WMDs? How many are coming back from Iraq missing eyes, limbs, 3rd degree burns, psych cases?

    Nice double standard. Or did Obama manage to hide Iraq’s WMDs until the US pulls out?

  28. avatar
    misha July 17, 2009 at 12:30 pm #

    Sven, let me guess: you believe the moon landing was faked. Do you believe in evolution? Let me tell you one more thing: Hercules is the son of Zeus and a human woman. Sound familiar?

    Just curious.

  29. avatar
    AdrianInFlorida July 17, 2009 at 1:31 pm #

    “Bonus bonus: Obama’s actual (hardcopy) letter to Kapi’olani Medical Center.”

    Uh, until that respected authority “Dr” Polarik examines the photo on that page, I ain’t believing it. ;0

  30. avatar
    SvenMagnussen July 17, 2009 at 1:48 pm #

    I’m surprised you didn’t post a link to the NPR opinion article on how any U.S. citizen should be eligible to be President.

    After that, why limit ourselves to US Citizens?

  31. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 17, 2009 at 1:53 pm #

    Well you go right ahead and post it.

  32. avatar
    SvenMagnussen July 17, 2009 at 1:54 pm #

    You’ll have to search Google for it. I’m not feel’n the love on this website anymore.

  33. avatar
    richCares July 17, 2009 at 2:00 pm #

    “You’ll have to search Google for it. I’m not feel’n the love on this website anymore”

    what, search for somwthing that doesn’t exit? Why?

  34. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 17, 2009 at 2:12 pm #

    It was Thomas Payne who argued that one generation had no right to impose its will on the next. Following his lead, the majority should be able to do anything it damn well pleases.

    I personally think the particular concerns behind the Article II eligibility requirements are somewhat dated. But that’s a discussion for another forum.

  35. avatar
    NBC July 17, 2009 at 2:29 pm #

    Story NPR

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    Black Lion July 17, 2009 at 2:46 pm #

    Bob, I was not aware of that. I do know that he does moderate his website. He hates it when I remind him that his wonderful World Net Daily at one time stated that President Obama’s COLB is authentic. He usually ignores it and won’t address it except to state that that is an issue to take up with WND. Which I find hilarous because he uses them as a basis for all of his articles…

    Also he hates it when you call out Polarik. I pointed out that the birthers are willing to take the word of someone that cannot authenticate their background but they claim that the President cannot prove who he is. He actually cited the Polarik research in writing one of his columns and was agitated when the so called “Obots” discredited Polarik and his research.

    He is also taking up the cause of good old Major Cook. When we pointed out the inconsistencies in his story, he called it “opposition research”. You cannot make that stuff up. He just repeats what WND and Orly write.

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    Black Lion July 17, 2009 at 2:55 pm #

    Bob, that WND article is horribly written. Basically the so called “issue” regarding the letter was WND’s fault. They thought they had a “smoking gun” moment with the image on the website and the fact that it was taken down. When they were provided with proof that the President did write the letter, then they tried to twist the issue around to make it like they were just ensuring that everything was above board. Then the article is just a rehash of all the other BC articles except that they have the Orly version of why Major Cook lost his job…If WND was printed on paper, I wouldn’t use it to curb my dog.

  38. avatar
    Bob July 17, 2009 at 3:01 pm #

    In comparison, 1984‘s Ministry of Truth was full of amateurs.

    (And, yes, we have always been at war with Oceania.)

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    Black Lion July 17, 2009 at 3:04 pm #

    I am not surprised that Sven would recomend this article. It is filled with half truths and misinformation. For instance the following quote…

    “The weirdly persistent belief held by many Americans that President Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States has been back in the news lately thanks to Major Stefan Cook, the “birther” soldier who was granted conscientious objector status because he refused to fight for a president he believes is illegitimate.”

    First of all most Americans are not aware of the “birthers” and their obsession with the President not being a “natural born citizen”. Since most voted for Obama, they obviously think he is eligible and qualified. Secondly Major Cook was not granted CO status. His orders were revoked because he was not compelled to go to Afganistan. This was part of a publicity stunt coordinated by Orly that cost him his security clearance.

    In the first paragraph there were obvious and glaring misinformation. The writer is obviously a right wing partisan hack that obviously in some way supports the birther movement. He is trying to use innuendo to say that the President was not born in HI but that’s OK. I can see why Sven recomended the article…

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    kimba July 17, 2009 at 3:05 pm #

    “They thought they had a “smoking gun” moment with the image on the website and the fact that it was taken down. When they were provided with proof that the President did write the letter, then they tried to twist the issue around to make it like they were just ensuring that everything was above board. ”

    The hospital should have just told WND to bugger off. Just like Pres Obama shold have with the BC. He should have told the naysayers he would provide proof of his status to the proper election and authorities, and that’s all he was required to do. IMO, fightthesmears caused him more trouble than it resolved. That’s one criticism I have for our President. He craves to hold hands and sing kumbaya with enemies who will never do it. He has to learn to tell them to go F themselves and do what he has the political capital to do.

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    Black Lion July 17, 2009 at 3:06 pm #

    Great comparison…The birthers believe in the most farfetched scenarios regarding the birth of President Obama in Kenya rather than the evidence that is staring them in the face showing that he was born in HI…

  42. avatar
    Bob July 17, 2009 at 3:09 pm #

    Even acknowledging the naysayers gives them validity and power. And would not stop the madness.

    Gibbs’ use of the WND reporter as comic relief is an oblique finger giving.

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    Black Lion July 17, 2009 at 3:09 pm #

    Kimba, I agree with you 100%. By posting the COLB he allowed the issue to continue and for idiots like Polarik and TechDude to get their 15 minutes of fame…I would have told them to “piss off” also…

  44. avatar
    Bob July 17, 2009 at 3:10 pm #

    Phil on Phil: “I also never claimed to be perfectly fair with the way in which I conduct comment transactions here, and I’m certainly not obligated in any way to be such.”

  45. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 17, 2009 at 3:50 pm #

    I, on the other hand, feel obligated to be as fair as I can possibly be. Someone expressing their viewpoint is no threat to me or the goals of this web site.

    When someone creates a blog, they should have, in my opinion, the right to control its content, and to make it say whatever they want. I offer no push back on Phil’s comment. But this blog is here to be a crucible of ideas, arriving I hope at a result that a reasonable person can read and have what is needed to decide.

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    Dr. Conspiracy July 17, 2009 at 4:33 pm #

    Kimba: “They thought they had a “smoking gun” moment

    Perhaps a smoking rotten tomato. I don’t believe for a minute that anybody at WND really believed that Obama hadn’t sent that greeting. It was just an opportunistic smear.

  47. avatar
    Mary Brown July 17, 2009 at 6:20 pm #

    As I’ve commented before my husband works on a military installation and knows this full well. Major Cook knows it too. All of this is for publicity.

  48. avatar
    SvenMagnussen July 17, 2009 at 6:37 pm #

    “… persistent belief held by many Americans that President Barack is not a natural-born citizen of the United States …”

    That statement should motivate Obama to order a senior staff member to gather all personal background information concerning his birth record and passport data and have Gibbs present it to the public to sooth the fears.

    Without it, consumer confidence and the so-called jobless recovery will tank.

  49. avatar
    Bob July 17, 2009 at 6:41 pm #

    …because “many” presidents are motivated by throwaway intros in NPR articles….

  50. avatar
    SvenMagnussen July 17, 2009 at 6:50 pm #

    Only 10 percent unemployment? No problem. Most are employed.

    I’m laughing so hard I can’t finish this message.

  51. avatar
    BlackLion July 17, 2009 at 6:52 pm #

    Sven, even when you are quoting the article you can’t be honest. The word you left out was “weirdly”…Which even the NPR article thinks that this fascination with the President Obama’s BC is “weird”. There are not millions of Americans worried about this issue. It is about 200,000 core people that have decided to hate the President. That is less than 1% of the population.

  52. avatar
    Bob July 17, 2009 at 7:15 pm #

    We’re not talking employment figures, but birfers, who are (at best) 400,000 (WND’s number) in a country of 306 million.

    You see, .1% of the total population is a miniscule minority comprised of “many” people.

  53. avatar
    kimba July 17, 2009 at 7:22 pm #

    Sven is weirdly persistent in his attempts to spread disinformation about the President.

  54. avatar
    Expelliarmus July 17, 2009 at 7:41 pm #

    I do think that Obama’s posting the COLB gave the fakers on the internet their opportunity… but I don’t think it was a mistake, because it gave the MILLIONS of sane, intelligent, rational voters the answer to the “where’s his birth certificate” question.

    It’s like the films of the moon landing. Sure there are some conspiracy theorists who insist it was all staged… but the rest of us who have seen the films, especially those of us old enough to remember seeing it as it happened… are convinced.

    The matter was put to rest when Obama provided the COLB to Factcheck.

    I do agree that disclosing anything further is a waste of time. The birthers showed their true colors ages ago, when they started looking for arguments other than the “born in Kenya” claim. When Berg came up with the garbage about losing citizenship in Indonesia, and Donofrio followed up with the fantasy about Da Vattel & the 2-citizen parent requirement — it was obvious that they will fling whatever crap they can muster and see what sticks.

    Of course that is what has happened all along — the birth certificate wasn’t originally posted to demonstrate the Hawaiian birth so much as to dispel various incarnations of the “secret muslim” smears all over the internet, such as the claim that his middle name was really Mohammed.

    I don’t think Obama has made any mistakes in this area because no one takes these birthers seriously, and they actually are causing more problems for the Republicans than the Democrats.

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    Expelliarmus July 17, 2009 at 7:59 pm #

    Can he sue Orly for that?

    He may have a good claim against Orly for malpractice, but it would depend on what he told her and what she advised — as well as what he knew himself. There has to be a causal connection between the lawyer’s malpractice and the damage sustained by the plaintiff. The fact that Orly actively solicited military plaintiffs for her lawsuits is a mark against her.

    In other words it would all come down to facts that we can’t possibly know, because unless and Cook decides to sue Orly, its all stuff that is protected by attorney-client privilege.

    I can say one thing: if Cook thinks he has been wrongfully fired and once to sue to get his job back, he is a damn fool to let Orly represent him in any capacity in that fight.

    And there is a clear conflict of interest for Orly to take on that fight — not to mention that it would likely be a state, not federal, claim and and Orly isn’t licensed in Florida.

  56. avatar
    Expelliarmus July 17, 2009 at 8:02 pm #

    I’d add to my above comment… if Cook filed a complaint with the California Bar against Orly, there is a possibility that there might be very swift action. The Bar already has received at least one, and probably a lot more, citizen complaints — but it prioritizes client complaints. So a letter from a client who has been hurt by Orly is far more likely to result in action than complaints from the public who are upset by her shenanigans.

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    Epectitus July 17, 2009 at 8:09 pm #

    You are half right. The revocation of a security clearance would be justification for this particular firing. Cook is (ironically) no longer eligible for his position as a DOD contractor.

    You’ve never served in the military have you Sven? No security clearance on the planet would survive what Cook tried to pull. He demonstrated both disloyalty and insubordination, and his actions actually put the lives of other soldiers at risk. hardly the sort of behavior likely to reinforce confidence in his trustworthiness when dealing with national security information.

    But further, I have never seen the phrase “Blue Falcon” used as much in military oriented blogs than in the last two days… always in reference to MAJ Cook.

    Not only is his clearance history, there are few soldiers who will ever be willing to serve with him moving forward.

  58. avatar
    Epectitus July 17, 2009 at 8:13 pm #

    Actually… if you read Cook’s posts on Free Republic you’d see he was very aware of the importance to his job of that security clearance. As much as Orly deserves further opprobrium for her own incompetence, this man was not a junior office. He was Field Grade. The gross lack of judgment he demonstrated here is entirely on his own head.

    You apparently can’t promote a man out of his own stupidity.

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    thisoldhippie July 17, 2009 at 8:47 pm #

    I did see where Gen. Childers now says he never agreed to be a Plaintiff and yet she filed a complaint in his name. THAT might be grounds for a bar complaint or lawsuit.

  60. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 17, 2009 at 8:53 pm #

    12% here in South Carolina. No laughing matter.

  61. avatar
    Bob July 17, 2009 at 8:56 pm #

    I did see where Gen. Childers now says he never agreed to be a Plaintiff and yet she filed a complaint in his name.

    Link, please!

  62. avatar
    thisoldhippie July 17, 2009 at 9:17 pm #

    Sorry – here are the links for Gen. Childers:

    http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/779856.html

  63. avatar
    Bob July 17, 2009 at 9:23 pm #

    “Reached for comment on her cell phone Thursday afternoon, the plaintiffs’ California-based attorney, Orly Taitz, said she had a signed consent form from Childers.

    “’Probably it’s some kind of mistake,’ Taitz said. ‘I don’t know what happened.’”

    Taitz said a mouthful there.

  64. avatar
    thisoldhippie July 17, 2009 at 9:32 pm #

    But she has now been advised!

  65. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 17, 2009 at 10:38 pm #

    Looks like the Ledger-Enquirer has become the temporary epicenter of birther media coverage. I’ve been trying to get logged in to their web site for several minutes now, but it’s just waiting.

  66. avatar
    misha July 17, 2009 at 11:44 pm #

    That’s what I am concerned about, too.

  67. avatar
    Lollie July 18, 2009 at 2:39 am #

    For many years, I had a security clearance, as part of the conditions for working for a DoD contractor.

    I’m retired now and no longer have the clearance, but learned over the course of those years that DoD can revoke your clearance, at any time and for any reason they choose.

    After 9/11, DoD has gotten even more draconian about clearances, for obvious reason, and you had better stay OxiClean.

    I know people who have had their clearance revoked for a decline in their credit rating score.

    I knew one poor fellow whose clearance was revoked for an ill-spoken remark. He was in the midst of a divorce, was apparently frustrated over a call from his lawyer, made the hot-headed remark, “Damn judges, they should all be killed.”

    You can, of course, appeal the revocation, but I never knew anyone who was successful.

    I can see several possible reasons that Major Cook’s clearance was revoked.

  68. avatar
    Bob July 18, 2009 at 2:51 am #

    Too funny: Apuzzo supposedly needs 150 pages to explain why his clients have standing (and have stated a claim):

    “Mario has to squeeze his brilliant 150 pages of brief into a 40 page condensed soup ‘can’, to use my analogy. That is the limit stated in the federal regs as to what they allow for the opposition filing and the Judge has refused to grant Mario’s request for leave and permission to file a larger opposition filing and brief than 40 pages.”

    Nicely ironic in light of the government’s comparison of the complaint to a bucket of mud.

    (And a judge who understands the importance of page limits. Finally!)

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    Lollie July 18, 2009 at 2:52 am #

    re: disloyalty

    Bingo! The number one, sure fire way to guarantee that your clearance will be revoked.

    I cannot fathom the exceedingly poor judgment of an officer who managed to reach the rank of Major, having sworn an oath of loyalty and service to the United States, would condition that loyalty and service on his personal decision that the President was not legit.

    And, then sit up and claim he was retaliated against because his clearance was revoked.

  70. avatar
    Lollie July 18, 2009 at 2:59 am #

    It’s a standard provision in the agreements between contractor and DoD that DoD has the right to demand termination or reassignment of any of contractor’s employees that DoD deems a security risk or otherwise detrimental to the performance of the contract.

    DoD can also reject any prospective new hires.

  71. avatar
    Lollie July 18, 2009 at 3:37 am #

    rotflmao . . . God, you almost have to feel sorry for someone so incompetent as Orly.

    I mean, she’s fast becoming the poster child for abject stupidity.

  72. avatar
    Lollie July 18, 2009 at 3:46 am #

    Yes, you can appeal the revocation of your security clearance. I’ve never known anyone who was successful at doing so.

    If Cook didn’t know, going into his media moment, that he would surely lose his clearance, he’s not the brightest bulb on the tree.

    These birthers aren’t exactly very adept at understanding how things work.

  73. avatar
    BlackLion July 18, 2009 at 10:42 am #

    Did anyone see Orly and Keyes on CNN last night. I guess Lou Dobbs, who has begun to give the birthers a voice, was off and his guest host had them on. She must have not received the memo because she was bashing them. Orly sounded like an idiot. However I think she is getting what she wanted, which is publicity and airtime. Which will translate into donations. See for yourself…

    http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907170043

  74. avatar
    BlackLion July 18, 2009 at 10:45 am #

    You think the General realized that this is a loser and wanted to get off the crazy train while he could? As of this time Orly does not have any legitimate current military personnel other than the famous Easterling I think…If she filed cases in his name without consent, will that put her up to face sanctions by the CA bar? That question is for the attorneys on this blog…

  75. avatar
    BlackLion July 18, 2009 at 10:55 am #

    I’m actually waiting for Orly or some of her delusional followers to blame the bombings in Jakarta on President Obama. I am sure you will see some birther theory that there was some Indonesian with papers about Obama’s birth and Obama had the CIA bomb the hotels to cover up the evidence and get rid of the individual. Sound far fetched? Yes…But no more than some of their usual crap. Orly is still pushing HI Statute 338 about foreign birth registrations not understanding about the birth city. If she is this incompetent as a pretend attorney, can you imagine how bad she was as a dentist?…

  76. avatar
    Bob July 18, 2009 at 11:02 am #

    Here’s the general’s original consent form. It gives consent for him to be a plaintiff in a petition (an impossibility; one would be a petitioner) seeking declaratory judgment. What Taitz filed with Childers’ name on it was neither a petition, nor did it seek declaratory judgment.

    Could that expose Taitz to a bar complaint or a civil suit? Possibly. The real question is whether Childers will bother.

  77. avatar
    kimba July 18, 2009 at 11:05 am #

    Money and publicity. The reasons Orly is delaying resolution of the Keyes case by filing the first amended complaint instead of completing service as ordered, and promising a second amended complaint. It’s all about money and publicity. Just like any skilled con-man, she’s going to make her money while the followers are fired up. Anyone watch The Music Man lately? Orly is a female Harold Hill. (“that game with the fifteen numbered balls is the devil’s tool”)

  78. avatar
    misha July 18, 2009 at 11:49 am #

    “can you imagine how bad she was as a dentist?…”

    Marathon Man.

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    misha July 18, 2009 at 12:02 pm #

    “DoD can revoke your clearance, at any time and for any reason they choose.”

    My wife applied for a clearance. She was asked, “Have you ever been to a marriage counselor?” She replied “yes.” Application rejected.

    Another time I was at her workplace. I have asthma and had a stroke. I needed to use the restroom. I had to wait until a guard could escort me there, waited outside, and escorted me back to the reception area.

  80. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 18, 2009 at 12:09 pm #

    I always figured that birther lawsuits were so long, to prevent the credulous from reading to the end, or debunkers from having time [or the stomach] to check everything out.

  81. avatar
    kimba July 18, 2009 at 2:05 pm #

    Fresh from Orly:
    “The Law Office of Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq., is now engaged in mortgage redemption litigation.”

    This woman does it all! Lady Liberty Indeed!

  82. avatar
    Bob July 18, 2009 at 2:19 pm #

    Facing Foreclosure? Tired of Predatory Lending/Collection tactics?

    Why not ask for Clear Title to your property NOW?

    Even if you have lost your home in a non-judicial foreclosure sale or by summary judicial proceedings, it may not be too late to raise challenges to the systemic defects?

    The Law Office of Dr. Orly Taitz*, Esq., has been designated as lead counsel of choice by Tierra Limpia/Deo Vindice Real Estate Research & Consulting of Austin, Texas, and Cambridge, Massachusetts, and now (in addition to other TL/DV programs) offers you a legal representation in its litigation program aimed at obtaining quiet title to your home and other real estate.

    Tierra Limpia/Deo Vindice is none other than Charles Lincoln:

    http://charleslincoln.spiritualpatriot.com/

  83. avatar
    kimba July 18, 2009 at 2:28 pm #

    Holy Crap! I missed the Deo Vindice part! God WILL Vindicate. Crazy, meet Crazier.

  84. avatar
    thisoldhippie July 18, 2009 at 2:40 pm #

    How can she be lead counsel in anything in states where she is not admitted to practice?

  85. avatar
    Bob July 18, 2009 at 2:59 pm #

    This is usually seen as a scam that seeks to rip off the already desperate. Adding in a felon convicted for fraud will not help appearances.

    If Taitz continues down this path, it is only a matter of time before she is on the wrong end of a disciplinary hearing, civil lawsuit, criminal prosecution, or some combination thereof.

  86. avatar
    GeorgetownJD July 18, 2009 at 5:04 pm #

    Look again. You also missed Charlie’s Great Seal of the Confederate States of America. Imagine that. A birfer-secessionist-disbarred-former felon-mortgage scam artist hooks up with dentist-turned-real estate agent-turned-correspondence school lawyer. Together they can clean your teeth, sell you a house, get you out of your mortgage obligation, and clean out your wallet.

  87. avatar
    kimba July 18, 2009 at 5:20 pm #

    Well, that went without saying once I saw the deo vindice. “Save your confederate money for the south shall rise again.”

    What is it about this particular President that brings together the conspiracy-theory-old south-confederate-secessionist-Christian Patriot-Identity-ists as well as the con artists? What could it be? They didn’t even like him throwing out the first pitch. Was it because he threw from the rubber, unlike the last Pres?

  88. avatar
    thisoldhippie July 18, 2009 at 5:27 pm #

    Is it wrong to hope that this will happen soon??

  89. avatar
    Lollie July 18, 2009 at 9:31 pm #

    Tierra Limpia/Deo Vindice Real Estate Research & Consulting of Austin, Texas, and Cambridge, Massachusetts
    ~~~~~
    So, Orly is practicing in Texas and Massachusetts now?

  90. avatar
    dunstvangeet July 18, 2009 at 9:50 pm #

    No, that is what the company is called, I think. I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t even have offices in Austin, Texas and Cambridge, Massachusetts.

    Charles Lincoln surrendered his law license to avoid being disbarred in Texas. He’s been disbarred 2 other times. I have no clue why a legitimate “Real Estate Research & Consulting” firm would hire a disbarred attorney.

    Have you read Charles Lincoln’s bio on that site? It’s pretty good…

    http://www.charleslincoln.spiritualpatriot.com/bio.html

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    thisoldhippie July 19, 2009 at 8:42 am #

    When you don’t have any evidence and you know you are full of s… then just keep yapping like an obnoxious chihuahua, (an insult chihuahuas) and hope that you just wear everyone down.

    http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/07/17/video-obama-birthers-unite/

  92. avatar
    Bob July 19, 2009 at 9:30 am #

    Lincoln, I believe, lives in Austin. So his “office” could be the spare bedroom. (Don’t know the Cambridge connection, other than his claim he has Ph.D. from Harvard.)

    Bios are form of marketing. How does advertising that you are a disbarred convicted felon help promote your business? Lincoln, it appears, is fairly into the whole citizen sovereign movement, so perhaps he is trying to display his bona fides to his niche of potential customers?

  93. avatar
    BlackLion July 19, 2009 at 10:04 am #

    Wow…That bio is impressive…Nothing was his fault…They took his law licenses away and wrongfully disbarred him. That is the most ridiculous thing I have read since reading Orly’s blog yesterday. If any birthers were on the fence that they were being scammed then this should basically cement it for them. Orly is getting desparate. No wonder why no legitimate attorney’s won’t go within 10 feet of her. She is an accident and disbarment waiting to happen.

  94. avatar
    Lollie July 19, 2009 at 2:45 pm #

    Read it.

    Sounds like an poor attempt to write a song equal to Arlo Guthrie’s “Alice’s Restaurant.”

  95. avatar
    thisoldhippie July 25, 2009 at 11:24 am #

    Now Ms Taitz has really begun to scare me – not because she might prevail in her wacky lawsuits, but because she continues to encourage violence and sedition as evidenced by this post:

    Sherry Piles says:
    July 24, 2009 at 11:11 pm
    People if we dont act now we are finished…so I am asking as a woman the the wife to my husband and mother to my two children…when do we pick up arms as I am ready now….I will not wait another day…I will go with arms in hand camera in hand immediatley to DC and arrest this usruper in chief…who is going with me…I am telling all of you now…as my instinct is yelling we dont have more than a couple of weeks….this is a call to action…..also wheres the charges filed with fbi against this country on the intent to commit mass murder….with this virus intentionally released….Sherry

    These people are crazy.

  96. avatar
    fragmentica July 28, 2009 at 2:32 pm #

    Many years ago i lived in a West african country ,because of my ex-husbands job.The picture of this rightwing freak russian reminds me of all the blond-heavily-makeuped russian mail brides many of the native men married.The only great thing that came out of those were the beautiful light skin children they had.Marriages did not last and those women eventually turned into prostitution,because the black husbands families openly ostrasized them.The kids mostly grew up on the wrong side of the track too.This Taitz woman’s crazy stunts (of course some in Texas surprise surprise?)does not shock me. I also have friends that were in Prague in 1968 when the ruskies rolled in. In short – you can take a russian out of Russia but can’t take Russia out of a russian? The mentality will eventually shine right through any attempt of sanity.And the real russian mentality is scary!

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    thisoldhippie August 1, 2009 at 12:59 pm #

    Orly must be off her meds. Her paranoia is kicking in again:

    Warning: visiting your Blog may harm my computer
    Friday, July 31, 2009 10:04 PM
    From:
    “Marilyn Eby” >
    View contact details

    To:
    dr_taitz@yahoo.com
    Message contains attachments
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    Dr. Orly I usually check you site frequently this is the first time I got this warning. Is this another Democratic attack on you?

    Thank you for your Courageous work!!

    Marilyn Eby
    Roseville,CA

    Answer: yes these are just scared dumb obots are trying to scare our patriots not to go on my site. Please complain to Google. If Google doesn’t stop, they will be named as an additional defendant in RICO action. (stands for Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organizations)