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Kenyan official says American president born in Kenya

Kenyan Parliamentarian James Orengo

For over a year now, that would have been a joke headline, but finally the Kenyan Minister of Lands (Mr. Orengo) actually said, and obviously not metaphorically, that–well you look at what he said:

If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America? It is because they did away with exclusion. What has killed us here is exclusion; that once Mr. Orengo is President, I know of no other place than Ugenya. That is why we were fighting against these many Presidencies in the past. I hope that Kenya will come of age. This country must come of age. People want freedom and nations want liberation, but countries want independence.

Ugenya is a constituency in Kenya. The document comes to us directly from the Kenyan Parliament (no we don’t rely on WorldNetDaily on this web site).

So how does Orengo know where President Obama was born? He doesn’t say.

I did a little Internet searching for Mr. Orengo and found quite a few pages that mention him, including an article on the Wikipedia. Finally the birthers have something, not much, but something they can repeat without twisting it.

153 Responses to Kenyan official says American president born in Kenya

  1. avatar
    mimi April 12, 2010 at 10:29 pm #

    hmmmm…. Hawaii DOH or Kenyan Minister of Lands?

    Governor of Hawaii or Kenyan Minister of Lands?

    POTUS or Kenyan Minister of Lands?

    Heh.

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    Bovril April 13, 2010 at 2:14 am #

    Annnnnd she’s off the reservation again.

    Dear Leader Orly has taken the mutterings of a non US politician as gospel and inserted this plus the Larkin cack in here latest tome

    “Notice and Motion for Reconsideration or Request for Certification for Interlocutory Appeal”

    You know the case with the AG’s in Florida where the judge said (politely) “bugger off crazy lady”.

    (I particularly like the fact that it’s from the future as it’s dated as filed over a day hence….)

    Starts off all lawyerly and at first you think it may be like the last one she filed that was plainly written by someone else and then BANG straight into barking mad mode

    For those without heavyweight anti malware software, precis below

    ===============SNIP=====================

    While Your Honor issued an order on April 8, 2010, acknowledging Taitz legitimate interest in the current action, your Honor denied motion for intervention citing need for expediency in handling of this case. While the intervener Taitz whole heartedly agrees with your Honors logic in need for expediency, Taitz argues that intervention will not prolong the discovery and adjudication of this case, but rather will significantly shorten this litigation, as well as eliminate the need for future litigations on upcoming Cap and Trade Bill, Immigration reform bill or any other bill to be signed by Mr. Obama. If Mr. Obama became a US president by virtue of fraud and concealment of all of his vital records, Health Care bill signed by him is null and void and this matter can be resolved in one day, by subpoena of Mr. Obama’s live birth file from the Kapiolani Hospital, where Mr. Obama recently decided he was born, subpoena of his social security application, as well as his original birth certificate from Hawaii, which should show the name of the Hospital, name of the attending physician and signatures of three persons in attendance.

    =============SNIP==================

    Babble Babble, 39 SSN’s…..Scotland Yard detective…..3 nationalities….unredacted SSN (again)

    =============SNIP==================

    New information came on April 10, 2009. A World Net Daily magazine article shows a compilation of articles from different news papers from Africa, quoting Obama as “Kenyan born”, as well as interviews on NPR and 2009 speech by Michelle Obama, naming Kenya, as Obama’s homeland.

    =============SNIP==================

    Is scary black man but saying things I like so is good.

    Judges should just forget about boring old rules/laws/what is this Standing/

    If don’t do as I say is TRAITOR….!!!

    Larkin = patriot …if no help him military will intervene.

    Eric Holder, he no answer me…bad usurper Obot.

    AG’s waste of time is not REAL doctor like me…..LET ME FEEEENISHIS

    etc
    etc
    etc

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=9650

  3. avatar
    Lupin April 13, 2010 at 6:53 am #

    I feel really sorry for that gentleman (Mr Orengo) because his point is well-taken, and the fact that someone with Obama’s ancestry can indeed rise to the greatest office in the world is a prodigious achievement to America’s credit.

    That such a glorious achievement be constantly denied and dragged in the mud by birthers is a sad reflection on their utter lack of patriotism.

  4. avatar
    SvenMagnussen April 13, 2010 at 7:34 am #

    “… subpoena of his social security application …”

    Good job, Orly. A look at his 1975 Form SS-5 is a slam dunk winner!

  5. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2010 at 7:47 am #

    Orly Taitz: 2009 speech by Michelle Obama, naming Kenya, as Obama’s homeland.

    2008.

  6. avatar
    Black Lion April 13, 2010 at 8:53 am #

    So you are claiming that the President got his SS# at 14? You do realize that makes no sense. Mainly because many people in the 70’s did not get their SS#’s until later. But go ahead. Request that imaginary SS-5 form from 1975. It will be a slam dunk winner…because it won’t exist. You really have to get better material Sven. Today’s fictional chapter was a tad bit dissappointing…

  7. avatar
    Vince Treacy April 13, 2010 at 9:14 am #

    Birthers seems to think Kenya announced that Obama was born there. Where did Kenya announce anything? A minister named Orengo asked a QUESTION.

    [“[H]ow could a young man born here in Kenya,… become the President of America?”]

    A question is not a statement. The question “does he still beat his wife” is NOT a statement that the person beats his wife, since the person never beat his wife.

    A rhetorical question does not call for an answer, but the answer to the question is that no one born in Kenya has ever become President of America.

    Orengo’s question displays ignorance, and was probably politically motivated. Try to get him to repeat it off the floor of Parliament (where his statements have parliamentary immunity) and before the House Judiciary Committee, under oath.

    Fat chance.

  8. avatar
    Black Lion April 13, 2010 at 9:18 am #

    Vince, great point. You are correct. He never actually made the claim. I think he knows that this will draw attention to himself and will make him a kind of celebrity with the birther crowd. However I will guess that we won’t hear anything more from him other than this so called statement…

  9. avatar
    More Research April 13, 2010 at 9:51 am #

    “Dr. Khalwale: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. You have heard none other than the Leader of Government Business acknowledge that because of Obama’s win in the United States of America (USA), the House is crippled. Could we allow him to move a Motion for Adjournment so that we could also continue the celebrations of having a Kenyan ruling the USA? I humbly request!” P.2

    “Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.” P.17

    “Hon. Members, as you may be aware, the people of the United States of America have just had a historic election where the son of this soil, Barrack Hussein Obama, has been elected the 44th President of the United States of America and the first African-American President in the history of that country, please join me in registering and sending this House’s congratulations to the President-elect Obama for overcoming great odds to emerge victorious.” P 18

    “Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, if there is one lesson we can learn from Obama being elected as the first African to the presidency of the United States of America is that courtesy of having very strong institutions that would allow that.”

    These quotes were all taken from the parliamentary record of Nov. 5th 2008. The day after Obama won the election.

    http://www.parliament.go.ke/parliament/downloads/Tenth%20Parl%201st%20Session/Hansard/5.11.08A.pdf

  10. avatar
    Scott Brown April 13, 2010 at 10:01 am #

    Nice spin! I actually like it….too bad it’s just spin. πŸ™‚

  11. avatar
    John April 13, 2010 at 10:01 am #

    The circumstancial evidence is overwhelming that Obama was born in Kenya. I say circumstancial, not documentary evidence because everything has been sealed by Obama and he has refused to release anything.
    Also recall that the 3 following indivdiuals all coorborate the Kenyan Assembly’s statments:
    1. Sarah Obama
    2. The Kenyan Ambassador
    3. Michelle Obama

  12. avatar
    Scott Brown April 13, 2010 at 10:03 am #

    More nice spin!

    I came here today to see just how imaginative you the Obots would be on spinning this one.

    I’ve not been disappointed! Thank you!

  13. avatar
    John April 13, 2010 at 10:05 am #

    The statments from Hawaii Officials are inconclusive since they have refused to reveal the name of hospital Obama was born at, the doc who delivered him and the witnesses to his birth. Addition, since this coorborating information has been withheld, the possibility that Obama’s birth in Hawaii is based on fradulent information submitted by the family still exists.

  14. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2010 at 10:07 am #

    Only Sarah Obama has any direct “knowledge” and she says the President was born in Hawaii. Listen to the tape.

  15. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2010 at 10:08 am #

    Spin? The article is straight as an arrow. (Well, with a little snarking added.)

  16. avatar
    Scott Brown April 13, 2010 at 10:12 am #

    I’m not sure I would make that leap just yet. Common sense tells us that he was probably born in Hawaii…..HOWEVER, I think there are starting to be enough cracks in the sidewalk to start questioning what information is being hidden.

    I would think even the Obots would start to question – not that he was born in Hawaii – but exactly why he has sealed his records and why so many people want to ‘claim’ he was born in Kenya – people that you would think would want to preserve Obama’s integrity, yet they hurt him with their comments.

    Personally, I think the hidden information is something other than where he was born. Oddly enough, I think the hidden information will embarrass him, but will confirm that he is in fact a NBC. But the misconception that he has put out there by hiding ‘anything at all’ has garnered him some political clout by being able to claim the right are lunatics, when they are anything but.

    I think most ‘birthers’ think 2+2 doesn’t equal 4 when it comes to Obama, and just know that something is off – something isn’t being disclosed and is being hidden for a reason. One thing for certain, from the letters I’ve been getting from Hawaii – they are starting to be a bit concerned about what they have been covering up.

  17. avatar
    misha April 13, 2010 at 10:13 am #

    Dear Readers: I have written a thorough debunking of the Kenya birth scenario.

    I challenge anyone who takes his rhetoric literally, to contact the Kenya embassy, and confirm it yourself.

  18. avatar
    Scott Brown April 13, 2010 at 10:18 am #

    Wrong – the statements from Hawaii are inconclusive because they have never really said anything. When you dissect the statements, they say nothing more than Hi, I’m the Director of the DOH and I’ve taken a look at our records. Yeah, he is a natural-born American citizen.

    If she really wanted to confirm or be definitive, she would have used proper wording….’natural born citizen’. The Constitution doesn’t say POTUS needs to be a ‘natural-born American citizen’. That wording is ambiguous at best.

    The only thing Fukino can be accused of is choosing her words VERY carefully.

  19. avatar
    Scott Brown April 13, 2010 at 10:25 am #

    Where was the debunking? I missed it while wading through all your hypotheticals.

    I think you can say you addressed all the issues and it is highly unlikely that she traveled to Kenya – but a thorough debunking would be HARD EVIDENCE which you do NOT have.

    Basically, you have wishful thinking…and surely you know what they say about that in one hand and something else in another, right?

    I’m not disputing you – I think it is silly to think she went to Kenya – I think Obama was born in Hawaii – but you did nothing to prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt. But it was a nice little merry-go-round ride.

    Anyway, why do you work so hard to prove something that is generally accepted? Are you concerned? Are you a bit skeptical yourself? There is something nagging at you to push you to TRY so hard to debunk something that really doesn’t need to be debunked. Obama is president. Period.

  20. avatar
    More Research April 13, 2010 at 10:28 am #

    Kenya Sunday Standard headline — “Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate”

    The Nigerian Observer — “Americans will today go to the polls to elect their next President with Democratic Party candidate, Senator Barack Obama largely favoured to win. The Kenyan-born Senator will…”

    USAfrica — “Kenyan-born OBAMA makes history…wins presidential nomination of U. S. Democratic party; eyes on White House…”

    AllAfrica.com — ” Little wonder then why Kenyan-born Barack Obama, America’s first Black President…”

    GraphicGhana.com — “For Ghana, Obama’s visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth.” The same article, with the same quote, appeared in ModernGhana.com.

    The Ghana Times — “So far, the odds favour the once underdog in American politics, Obama, the African-American Senator from Illinois state. A Congressional Quarterly (CQ) politics monitored on BBC put the Kenyan born American ahead of his rivel, John McCain.”

  21. avatar
    Texlaw April 13, 2010 at 10:30 am #

    By your “reasoning” anything the former half term Governor of Alaska says MUST be true. I know you believe that, but your wishing doesn’t make it so.

  22. avatar
    Greg April 13, 2010 at 10:56 am #

    Are you joking? Sasha Baron Cohen, is that you?

    If I prove that Williams is a world-class tennis player, you’d say I haven’t shown that she’s a tennis player!

    The Kenyan statements are more credible than the Hawaiian DOH? I missed where they told which Kenyan hospital he was born at, or which Kenyan doctor delivered him. Those are the hallmarks of credibility, right?

    Why is Obama hiding anything? IF he’s hiding anything, here are my thoughts about why. Firstly, because you birthers are an object lesson on how retarded, how blinded by hate, his opponents are. He can point to you and say, “look how crazy they are!” Why do you think you’ve been kicked out of the Republican party? Why do you think you’re persona non grata in the Tea Party? Why do you think that even marginally sympathetic folks like JD Hayworth run like crazy from the birther label?

    Second, ever heard the saying “bad facts make bad law?” If Obama were to roll over for the insanely defective birther lawsuits, it sets the precedent that anyone with an insanely defective lawsuit can sue the President. I’m guessing you don’t recall the suit claiming that Bush and Cheney were both from Texas, they were hiding something by fighting it, right?

  23. avatar
    Rickey April 13, 2010 at 10:58 am #

    Scott Brown says:

    exactly why he has sealed his records

    Come on. Obama hasn’t “sealed” any of his records, any more than you have “sealed” your personal records. Obama’s personal records are “sealed” pursuant to Federal and State privacy laws, not because he took any proactive steps to seal them.

    And there is no reason why Obama should authorize the release of his personal records simply to satisfy your idle curiosity. No other president has been asked to produce a birth certificate. What is the name of the doctor who delivered George W. Bush? What is the name of the doctor who delivered Bill Clinton? Nobody knows, because those records are “sealed.” As they should be.

  24. avatar
    DavidH April 13, 2010 at 11:01 am #

    The Kenyan Ambassador did not corroborate the statement, in fact, he said the opposite. Here it is, from WND no less:
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=82031

  25. avatar
    Greg April 13, 2010 at 11:07 am #

    It’s beyond a REASONABLE doubt, Scott, and even you think it’s “silly” to think he was born in Kenya.

  26. avatar
    aarrgghh April 13, 2010 at 11:12 am #

    scott brown, dropping his hand:

    “… I think it is silly to think she went to Kenya – I think Obama was born in Hawaii – but you did nothing to prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt. …”

    … which is pretty much as good an encapsulation of birfer logic as any: “you can’t prove my silly little smear isn’t true, therefore LALALALALAICANTHEARYOU!!!!”

    debunking silliness doesn’t require a high standard of proof. silliness debunks itself.

  27. avatar
    John April 13, 2010 at 11:13 am #

    Sarah Obama said that she was present during Obama’s birth in Kenya. based on the audio and the affidavits, he apparent story changing was coached and contrived.

  28. avatar
    John April 13, 2010 at 11:15 am #

    Yes, the Kenyan Ambassador changed his story when he “got caught”. He didn’t sound very convincing. It was obvious he was talking about President-Elect Obama during the interview and gave no indication that he was confused.

  29. avatar
    John April 13, 2010 at 11:18 am #

    This is quite intersting. There are many more articles that state Obama as being “Kenyan-Born”. The remark did just happen once or twice, it been repeated a multitude of times.

  30. avatar
    Black Lion April 13, 2010 at 11:21 am #

    And did they have any evidence? Did any of these men claim to be witnesses of the President’s birth? HAve the signed an affadavit stating that the President was born in Kenya? This again is why none of you people are even familar with the law. Basically all we have uncorroborated statements from individuals that mean nothing. They are not in a position to know anything nor have they ever produced any evidence to support their claims. This is no different than someone claiming that you were born in Japan or the Philippines. Where is the proof. Until then a statement from the Director of Vital Statistics for the state of Hawaii trumps all of that other nonsense.

  31. avatar
    Greg April 13, 2010 at 11:25 am #

    The affidavits are inadmissible hearsay. And the audio I heard had a clear misunderstanding of the very first question out of the loser’s mouth, a misunderstanding that was corrected at the first opportunity.

  32. avatar
    Black Lion April 13, 2010 at 11:27 am #

    John, can you provide the audio tape for us? And the so called affadavit? Because the audiotape and transcript everyone else saw and heard she specifically states he was born in Hawaii. And an affadavit by a fictional person is useless. If this so called Bishop was real then why didn’t he use his real name? It is really quite easy to refute your ridiculous claims. Why? Because you can never provide the evidence. All your claims never have any supporting evidence. Which is why they are all epic fails…

  33. avatar
    John April 13, 2010 at 11:27 am #

    The evidence is mounting that Obama was born in Kenya.
    1. Sarah Obama’s Statement
    2. Kenya Ambassador’s Statement.
    3. Michelle Obama’s Remark.
    4. The multiple statements from the Kenyan Assembly
    5. No firsthand witnesses to Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
    6. The loose and liberal laws of 1961 that made easy to register foreigners as being born in Hawaii.
    7. Bill Richardson’s remark.
    8. The multitude of news accounts that says Obama is Kenyan-Born
    9. Obama’s refusal to make his records public.
    10. The inconclusive behavior and statements from Hawaiian Offcials.
    11. COLB Forgery
    12. Lucas Smith BC
    13. The Certificate # mismatch.
    14. Dated Filed Vs. Date Accepted.
    15. Conflicting hospital birth accounts.
    16. No public drive to commemorate Obama’s place of birth.

  34. avatar
    John April 13, 2010 at 11:31 am #

    Just one more important piece of evidence:
    1. Statements from Kenyan Government Officials that Obama’s Kenyan Birthing records are top secret.

  35. avatar
    Black Lion April 13, 2010 at 11:34 am #

    How would Michelle Obama know? She was born after the President in Chicago. And how would the Kenyan ambassador know? Was he present? Did he have some evidence which supported his claim? This is what amazes most rational people. You would rather believe people who have never said that Obama was BORN in Kenya rather than an official statement from a state that states that he was born in HI. And then you wonder why no legal entity chooses to believe you or takes your nonsense seriously. A little reminder for you. Just because someone makes a statement doesn’t make it true. However if a state official, who’s job it is to make such a statement, states he was born in HI, that is considered real evidence. Not misconstrued statements by some government officials that would have no knowledge of said event….

  36. avatar
    Greg April 13, 2010 at 11:40 am #

    Do you know why hearsay is inadmissible?

  37. avatar
    Black Lion April 13, 2010 at 11:41 am #

    John, that is your opinion. The law deals with facts. Did the Kenyan ambassador claim that he was present at the birth? NO. Did he claim that he had some documentation that proved that he was born in Kenya? No. So what at best do you have? A statement that could be interpreted different ways. Logic would dictate that there must be some real evidence. Where is it? How would the ambassador know? This is what real courts of law deal with. For future reference a statement without corrobrating evidence is useless. Can you explain how this man would have this knowledge? Why should be believe this ambassador? The more you attempt to rationalize these debunked theories the more stupid you guys sound…

  38. avatar
    Black Lion April 13, 2010 at 11:46 am #

    I am trying to figure out if you are really that stupid or just playing an idiot on TV. I mean when the Director of Vital Statistics states in an official state of Hawaii document that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, I can see how more specific that could be. Let me repeat it for you. She said HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII. Now unless the definition of born has changed since 1961, it would lead most rational and intelligent people to surmise that the President was born in HI. However in an attempt at extreme jackassery, you try and parse the statement to make it seem like she said something else. Amazing. And she stated that the President was a natural born citizen. Can you prove her to be wrong? No. You try and make up qualifiers and pretend definitions, but the bottom line is that the only person qualified to make an official statement did. And she stated President Obama was born in HI.

  39. avatar
    Black Lion April 13, 2010 at 11:50 am #

    But Scott, you have not provided evidence for any of your claims. You claim he was born in Kenya but provide us with no admissible evidence. You are making the accusation so you need to prove Misha is incorrect and provide evidence that supports your ridiculous claim. Where is the passport records? What about airline records from 1961? Those are not protected. How about any evidence on the Kenyan side. None of that is protected. Why haven’t we seen anything. If you really think that is because someone “scrubbed the evidence” then you would believe anything. In other words you would prefer to belive some foreigner statements over a statement from an American. Very patriotic of you.

  40. avatar
    JoZeppy April 13, 2010 at 11:52 am #

    1. Sarah Obama’s Statement — She says he’s born in the US…where’s the problem
    2. Kenya Ambassador’s Statement….also says he was born in the US…and besides, he wasn’t there, so what does he know?
    3. Michelle Obama’s Remark…Can be interpreted many ways…should we make a list of how many times she said he was born in Hawaii? And besides, she wasn’t there.
    4. The multiple statements from the Kenyan Assembly — none of whom were there. We have statements from the US congress saying global warming doesn’t exist and the world is 5,000 years old. Does that make it a fact?
    5. No firsthand witnesses to Obama’s birth in Hawaii. – hardly surprising. It was some time ago…people die. Not to mention, where are the firsthand witnesses to him being born in Kenya?
    6. The loose and liberal laws of 1961 that made easy to register foreigners as being born in Hawaii. – More B.S. Provide evidence of a single foreigner getting a Hawaiian Birth Certificate saying he was born in Hawaii during the 1960s.
    7. Bill Richardson’s remark. – again, was he there?
    8. The multitude of news accounts that says Obama is Kenyan-Born – I have a news story that John Glenn is an alien from outer space. I also have multiple news stories that Obama is born in the US. Why do only seriously consider the news stories that support your account, and come from questionable sources?
    9. Obama’s refusal to make his records public. – Since when have people in the United States have to disprove the accusations of others? It works the other way around.
    10. The inconclusive behavior and statements from Hawaiian Offcials. – Inconclusive? Saying that they’ve personally examined the records, and that he as a natural born US citizen seems pretty conclusive to me.
    11. COLB Forgery – The fact that you’re still clinging to this says a lot. The only birth certificates that are forgeries, and bad ones at that, are the ones purporting to be from Kenya.
    12. Lucas Smith BC – yes, a document produced by a convicted forger, who tried to sell them on ebay, and look nothing like a Kenyan BC are solid proof…but a document from Hawaii, confirmed by the Hawaiian government is to be rejected because some annonmous guy on the internet says it’s fake.
    13. The Certificate # mismatch. – there is no mismatch. More birther fantasies
    14. Dated Filed Vs. Date Accepted. – Again, more birther fantasies. States change the words on their documents over time.
    15. Conflicting hospital birth accounts. – the only conflict is in the minds of birthers.
    16. No public drive to commemorate Obama’s place of birth. – Don’t you think it may be a little early to start putting up monuments to Obama?

    Again, your list is proof of your mindset. You will believe anything from any source if it supports your argument, and dismiss anything that contradicts it. Just look at your list. You accept the words of random Kenyan MPs who provide no support for their claims, or how they obtained that purported knowledge, but reject the claims of the Hawaiian Republican government. You accept a document produced by a convicted forger, but reject the Hawaiian document based on the ramblings of people proven not to have the qualifications to make those statements, or refuse to identify themselves.

    Get over it. There is not an iota of credible evidence that Obama was born in Kenya.

  41. avatar
    Lupin April 13, 2010 at 11:53 am #

    Personally, I still say that when you read the whole statement in the context, you see an affirmation of Kenyan pride that one if their “sons” (and that’s not necessarily an incorrect way of looking at it) succeeded in such a fashion.

    Earlier, an analogy was made with JFK being considered a “son” of Ireland by the proud Irish people, and this seems more of the same to me.

    As a Frenchman, I would be proud to see the son or daughter of a French citizen ascend to the US presidency.

  42. avatar
    JoZeppy April 13, 2010 at 11:53 am #

    which Kenyan Government Officials? name one. You can’t because it’s more birther B.S.

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    Black Lion April 13, 2010 at 12:15 pm #

    The evidence is mounting that Obama was born in Kenya.

    1. Sarah Obama’s Statement

    Are we talking about the one where she says that he was born in Hawaii. She never said Kenya. If you have some evidence she did, then lets see it. She says Hawaii and America, and is very insistent abtout that. And she repeats herself more than once. That one? Not ever helpful.

    2. Kenya Ambassador’s Statement.

    The one where he corrects his remarks to say Hawaii. Of course you have any official affadavit signed by him which he corrobrates this, right? Because again not admissible. And on top of that he says Hawaii. Plus he has no direct knowledge so his statement is irrelevant without proof.

    3. Michelle Obama’s Remark.

    The one where she never says he was born in Kenya? That one? Where she says the ambigous statement that Kenya was his homeland, like Ireland was JFK’s? And since she was not present for his birth, she has no first hand knowledge of anything. Inadmissible.

    4. The multiple statements from the Kenyan Assembly

    Really? So all of these people have made offical statements for the record. And how would they know. Do any of them have first hand knowledge? If not their statements again are inadmissible. So far 0-4.

    5. No firsthand witnesses to Obama’s birth in Hawaii.

    Trying to prove a negative. The COLB is considered a first hand witness. Which is why it was signed and stamped with the seal from HI. And the statement from Dr. Fukino on official HI letterhead stating that Barack Obama was born in HI. 0-5

    6. The loose and liberal laws of 1961 that made easy to register foreigners as being born in Hawaii.

    You mean the ones that came into being in 1981, 20 years after Obama’s birth? The law that states that for any foreign birth, the HI BC would state the true city of birth? Of course you have examples of this so called “loose law” right? Interesting. And not taking consideration the fact that the COLB says Honolulu and the newspaper accounts, which come from the HI DOH and could not be from a relative say HI? 0-6

    7. Bill Richardson’s remark.

    Meaningless. Unless you are now saying that Richardson was there at Obama’s birth. And no signed affadavit. Inadmissible. 0-7

    8. The multitude of news accounts that says Obama is Kenyan-Born

    Hearsay. And the original AP article that all of those other articles came from did not use the term Kenyan born. 0-8

    9. Obama’s refusal to make his records public.

    Epic fail. Federal and state privacy laws protect you and Obama from unwarranted intrusion in personal records. Sorry. No refusal there. 0-9

    10. The inconclusive behavior and statements from Hawaiian Offcials.

    Opinion. No factual evidence that anything inconclusive ever happened. The only offical statement from HI states that OBama was born in HI. That is conclusive.

    11. COLB Forgery

    Proven by who to be a forgery? Techdude? Polarik? Steve Cee? All worthless and don’t have the background or experience to make such a statement. 0-11

    12. Lucas Smith BC

    A BC from a convicted forger. Not even WND bought that load of garbarge. Fail. 0-12

    13. The Certificate # mismatch.

    No mismatch. That is an urban legend. That is unless you can prove that the number were somehow supposed to be in sequential order. If not they are simialr to the infamous Nordyke twins numbers.

    14. Dated Filed Vs. Date Accepted.

    Means nothing. Unless you have a copy of the procedures from 1961 that show that these terms meant something different. 0-14

    15. Conflicting hospital birth accounts.

    Never happened. Obama has always stated one hospital. It was a high school student that made a mistake.

    16. No public drive to commemorate Obama’s place of birth.

    Which means what? According to people in HI, there is a drive for a memorial to honor his birth. Either way not proof of anything. 0-16

    All you have is inadmissible hearsay and rumor as your evidence. No wonder why your side has lost almost 70 cases.

  44. avatar
    Black Lion April 13, 2010 at 12:20 pm #

    Can you provide us with some proof John? A link to this statement? Or some article? Or are you making things up as usual…

  45. avatar
    Kathryn N April 13, 2010 at 12:26 pm #

    I call “birther special pleading.” All the actual documentary evidence of President Obama’s ‘secret Kenyan birth’ is conveneniently ‘sealed’ which just further proves the birthers’ mumbo-jumbo.
    And of course all the real documentary evidence of President Obama’s actual Hawaiian birth is unreliable because of the dastardly collusion of everyone in Hawaii.
    Conspiracy theories: you gotta love ’em. Every piece of evidence that disproves them actually confirms them, because the fix is in.

  46. avatar
    Black Lion April 13, 2010 at 12:26 pm #

    What is more interesting is that no article is from a newspaper in the US. So is it your claim that Obama is responsible for articles containing misinformation written in other parts of the world that he has no control over? That is ridiculous.

  47. avatar
    richCares April 13, 2010 at 12:34 pm #

    Hating Obama causes severe brain damage, for proof see sven, john, scott and other sock puppet posts. These posters are definitely brain damaged.

  48. avatar
    G April 13, 2010 at 12:37 pm #

    Scott Brown says:

    I think most birthers’ think 2+2 doesn’t equal 4 when it comes to Obama

    And that is probably the truest statement you have made so far, Scott.

    Yes, the analogy is quite apt: The birthers problem is they refuse to understand that 2+2 always equals 4.

    I think that pretty much sums it all up.

  49. avatar
    SFJeff April 13, 2010 at 12:51 pm #

    “Oddly enough, I think the hidden information will embarrass him, but will confirm that he is in fact a NBC”

    I think this is the hope of most of the less deluded Birthers- the ones that just detest Obama and hope to embaress him and really don’t believe the 2 dozens conflicting theories of why Obama can’t be eligible to be President.

    So what if there are some embaressing facts about Obama’s birth? Some dirt that he would prefer the entire world not to know? As long as he is a natural born citizen- which has been confirmed by Hawaii- then the rest doesn’t matter- we have no right to know everything- especially just to satisfy the prurient curiousity of Obama haters.

  50. avatar
    HellT April 13, 2010 at 12:53 pm #

    You are taking metaphorical prose as literal truth. When JFK was called the first Roman Catholic US President, did you conclude he came from Italy?

  51. avatar
    HellT April 13, 2010 at 12:59 pm #

    Long before the instance of the artfully edited tape, Obama’s grandmother stated that he was not born in Kenya:

    … Ms Sarah Hussein Obama, the new senator’s 83-year-old step-grandmother, has got used to welcoming visitors from the American media to her two-room hut. She pulls out envelopes packed with photographs of the two visits that Barry, as the family calls him, has made.
    “When he came for the first time, it was to see the grave of his father and I was very pleased because, for someone who was born over there and spent all his time over there, it was impressive to see him identify so much with this place,” she says in Luo, the language of her tribe.
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/10/barack-obama-son-of-africa/#more-5375

  52. avatar
    SFJeff April 13, 2010 at 1:02 pm #

    What I really don’t understand is why that fine news establishment WND hasn’t sent one of its crack investigative journalists to Kenya to track down all of these leads.

    I don’t mean to impugn Kenya at all, but really I bet for $100.00 you could get several signed affidavits of people who would swear they personally watched President Obama be born.

    Are birthers just cheap? They should be able to manufacture better evidence than this.

  53. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2010 at 1:12 pm #

    Black Lion: 15.

    Conflicting hospital birth accounts.

    Never happened. Obama has always stated one hospital. It was a high school student that made a mistake

    There was a story on WorldNetDaily that showed two versions of a UPI story one of which seemed to quote Obama as saying that he was born at Queens hospital and the other at Kapi’Olani. I haven’t any means to verify this, although it looks like a newspaper correction rather than an actual statement by Obama. The birthers say the Internet was “scrubbed.”

  54. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2010 at 1:15 pm #

    Speaking of Frenchmen, I note that General Lafayette was made an “honorary citizen” of Maryland and Connecticut following the revolutionary war. Winston Churchill was made an honorary citizen of the United States.

  55. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2010 at 1:19 pm #

    John: Statements from Kenyan Government Officials that Obama’s Kenyan Birthing records are top secret.

    And exactly which Kenyan Government Official said that? Sounds kind of silly on the face of it — if it’s top secret then why is some official admitting that such records exist? The stupidity of birthers knows no bounds.

  56. avatar
    J. Edward Tremlett April 13, 2010 at 1:20 pm #

    Well, see, if they went to Kenya, they’d have to deal with… *gasp* BLACK PEOPLE!!!! Who DON’T SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!

    They would, however, get to dine at the Carnivore, in Nairobi.

  57. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2010 at 1:25 pm #

    The point of these aside comments from various African newspapers is that they have no authority.

    The Honolulu Advertiser newspaper says Obama was born in Honolulu. The Ghana Times says Obama was born in Kenya. Which reprinted the original birth notice from 1961 in their paper? Hint: none of those African newspapers.

  58. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2010 at 1:28 pm #

    Scott Brown: I think Obama was born in Hawaii – but you did nothing to prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    If you won’t accept the birth certificate Obama published in 2008, then I do not see what would convince you. That’s why I call folks like you “denialists.” All you know how to do is deny whatever evidence there is.

    Scott Brown: Anyway, why do you work so hard to prove something that is generally accepted?

    It is out of sympathy for the victims of WorldNetDaily.

  59. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2010 at 1:31 pm #

    Scott Brown: When you dissect the statements, they say nothing more than Hi, I’m the Director of the DOH and I’ve taken a look at our records. Yeah, he is a natural-born American citizen.

    When you dissected the statements, you left out one important part: “born in Hawaii”. It is willful omissions like that which make birthers liars and propagandists rather than honest seekers of the truth.

  60. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2010 at 1:34 pm #

    John: The statments [sic] from Hawaii Officials are inconclusive since they have refused to reveal the name of hospital Obama was born at [sic],…

    What is “inconclusive” about “born in Hawaii?” You talk, but you don’t make sense.

  61. avatar
    Black Lion April 13, 2010 at 2:15 pm #

    Or the idiots over at the Post and Fail…

    “Kingskid says:
    Monday, April 12, 2010 at 6:42 PM
    Decided to drop the White House Correspondents’ Assoc. a little note:

    Dear WHCA,

    On Saturday, April 10, 2010, Barack Obama left the WH press and went off somewhere without them. It has been reported that Obama said he went to a soccer match at his daughter’s school. However, if you check Sidwell’s athletic events for that day, there was no soccer game there. http://www.sidwell.edu/athletics/teamschedule.aspx?TeamID=1130

    A more plausible reason for Obama leaving the press behind may be found at: http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/04/11/kenyan-parliament-claims-obama-born-in-kenya/ Perhaps where Obama really went was to the Kenyan Embassy to do damage control. Reason is because Kenya’s Parliament met on March 25, 2010 to discuss the future of their country. One member, in passing, stated in reference to Barack Obama, “…how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America?” That statement was not contradicted and remains an official record of the parliament’s minutes. Indeed, that is the subject of great news, that a Kenyan and not a natural born American presides over the executive branch illegally. Why are you not covering it?
    ——————
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: Go get em!

  62. avatar
    Black Lion April 13, 2010 at 2:17 pm #

    Or Pam Geller’s Atlas Shrugs…

    “Maybe being a deranged madman capable of murdering hundreds of millions of innocent human beings in cold blood doesn’t qualify a body as “insane.” Maybe it qualifies them, then, of possessing a “monster gene” as the one supposedly possessed by Hitler and others of such bloody company. Few would dispute that Obama has the mental constituency of a Hitler or Idi Amin or Stalin. To pin a label on this characteristic (how about using the term “evil?”) is beside the point anyway.

    Obama is already believed to have murdered his grandmother, Toots (using mercury to poison her to death over several montsh during 2008) as well as Quarles Harris, and Donald Young. We will very possibly learn of more Obama-inflicted fatalities in the days to come–“blood will tell.”

    Posted by: pythagoras | Monday, April 12, 2010 at 09:00 PM

  63. avatar
    HellT April 13, 2010 at 2:36 pm #

    (jauntily tilts tinfoil hat)

    News flash! HellT uncovers evidence that Obama was not the first Democratic presidential candidate who wasn’t a native-born citizen! A foreign newspaper article is the PROOF:

    Greeks cheer on a son of Pelopi; Michael Dukakis
    Mario Modiano, Athens
    The Times (London)
    July 22 1988

    In the village of Pelopi, one of the poorest on the Greek island of Mytilene, where the Dukakis family came from, there was an all-night party to celebrate Mr Michael Dukakis’s nomination as the Democratic candidate for the US presidency.

    With the tidings from Atlanta via a television perched on the roof of the village cafe’s outside lavatory, they danced and sang, roasted lamb, and drank beer and ouzo to the health of ‘Mihalis’, as the migrant’s son is called by the 640 people of the mountain village.

    The council has renamed the main street after him. It put up a sign outside the village saying ‘Welcome to the home town of Michael Dukakis’, and it offered the presidential candidate, who visited Pelopi in 1976, a plot of land to build himself a house.

    A self-styled village poet, Mr Eleftherios Yannakos, recited an ode to Mr Dukakis, telling him how ‘lovingly anxious’ the villagers were to see him in the White House.

    The village witch says nothing can go wrong since the election is on November 8, which is not only the day the island was freed from the Turks 76 years ago but also the feast day of Saint Michael, the village patron, and Mr Dukakis’s birthday.

    ***

    You see? YOU SEE?!! It’s the Demon-rats! They’re running pseudo-citizen usurper candidates to turn this country from a nation of immigrants to a…a…well, something or other.

    HellT, running out of crazypants steam

  64. avatar
    SFJeff April 13, 2010 at 2:40 pm #

    “Few would dispute that Obama has the mental constituency of a Hitler or Idi Amin or Stalin.”

    I always am amazed at how these people manage to work themselves up in a frenzy and manage to compare President Obama to some of the biggest mass murderer/leaders of the last 100 years. I suppose they only put in Idi Amin rather than Pol Pot because either a) Idi Amin shares a certain other identity with the President or b) they haven’t heard of Pol Pot.

  65. avatar
    sarina April 13, 2010 at 2:45 pm #

    That’s not evidence, if all that were true Obama would not be in Office right now.

  66. avatar
    misha April 13, 2010 at 3:16 pm #

    “Anyway, why do you work so hard to prove something that is generally accepted?”

    Because I detest snake oil salesmen, and feel it is my duty to shine a light on them.

  67. avatar
    misha April 13, 2010 at 3:17 pm #

    “1. Statements from Kenyan Government Officials that Obama’s Kenyan Birthing records are top secret.”

    Name them, and provide links to those statements. Otherwise, I call BS.

  68. avatar
    Bob Ross April 13, 2010 at 3:26 pm #

    Scott Brown says: “I’m not a birther but….”

  69. avatar
    Bob Ross April 13, 2010 at 3:30 pm #

    If you listen to the tape McRae tries to confuse her saying HER SON is running for president. Sarah Obama is the second wife of Barack Obama’s grandfather. She problably thought McRae was talking about Senior and then when he clarifies and says her grandson she says she was in Kenya and Obama was born in Hawaii. Also Michelle’s comment is much like when people claim the heritage of their parents and claim they’re spanish, or italian, etc.

  70. avatar
    Bob Ross April 13, 2010 at 3:32 pm #

    Scott Brown again says: “I’m not a birther, but…”

  71. avatar
    Vince Treacy April 13, 2010 at 3:50 pm #

    Here is a link to one source:

    http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/obama/supreme.court/Exhibit_Charter_Schools_Rainbow_Edition_Newsletter.pdf

    The high school student reporter Bennett Guira, writing on page 2 of the school’s Rainbow Newsletter, stated mistakenly at the opening of the article that Obama was born at Queens. It was not stated by Maya.

    WorldNutDaily later transformed this student mistake into the statement that Maya told that to reporters. Never happened.

    So Black Lion is right on item 15, and the source is here.

    There was an AP story that repeated the mistake, but AP took it down when the error was discovered. Everyone makes mistakes, and AP corrected theirs, The birthers have an archived copy that they have beaten to death.

    RichCares at this site has pointed out that both hospitals in Honolulu are named for Queens, and the hospital named for Queen Kapiolani is often confused with the other Queens hospital.

  72. avatar
    Bob Weber April 13, 2010 at 3:52 pm #

    Vince, great point.You are correct.He never actually made the claim.I think he knows that this will draw attention to himself and will make him a kind of celebrity with the birther crowd.However I will guess that we won’t hear anything more from him other than this so called statement…

    Orengo’s remarks were a denunciation of tribalism in African politics. Very impassioned, and very moving. Tribalism really is a blight on African politics. I don’t think it had anything to do with looking for celebrity or catering to birfers.

    The Obama comment came at the end of his impassioned speech, and I think he just got carried away. (It would be funny, though, if he said he believes Obama was born in Kenya because he read it on the internet.)

  73. avatar
    Loren April 13, 2010 at 4:34 pm #

    “Sarah Obama said that she was present during Obama’s birth in Kenya.”

    Actually, no, she doesn’t. The original question in English may have mentioned Kenya, but when it’s repeated for clarification there is no mention of Kenya, and when the answer is translated back into English there is no mention of Kenya.

    The exact words on the tape: “She was
    present when Obama was born.”

    Taken literally, and even assuming no translation confusion, that doesn’t say she was present for a birth IN KENYA. She just says she was present. An equally legitimate completely-literal interpretation is that she was present IN HAWAII for his birth.

    Strangely, I’ve never seen a Birther so much as acknowledge this interpretation. Rather, Birthers have demonstrated an astonishing capacity to glom new details onto this conversation, claiming that she said she was present IN THE DELIVERY ROOM or that she was present IN MOMBASA, despite neither of these details being in the transcript at all.

  74. avatar
    G April 13, 2010 at 4:40 pm #

    Hilarious! Thanks for sharing that tidbit of trivia!

  75. avatar
    Mike April 13, 2010 at 4:53 pm #

    …but I play one on TV”?

  76. avatar
    Bob Ross April 13, 2010 at 4:54 pm #

    And the Clinton death list continues with Obama. God these people have no shame

  77. avatar
    Kathryn N April 13, 2010 at 4:54 pm #

    Sarah Obama said in another interview that she first heard of her grandson’s birth via a letter from her son, six months after the fact.
    Birthers never bring that up.

  78. avatar
    misha April 13, 2010 at 5:17 pm #

    Dear Readers: After Obama was elected, I frequently said “only in America, would a son of Kenya with a Muslim name, be elected president by a majority white, Christian country.”

    It’s called ‘rhetoric.’ To those who take that Kenyan legislator literally, go back to college.

  79. avatar
    Greg April 13, 2010 at 5:18 pm #

    Here’s an interesting article about the Greek junta allegedly funneling money into the Nixon/Agnew campaign. Agnew was, at the time, the highest public official of Greek ancestry.

    Here’s how Greece does citizenship:

    The Hellenic Republic (as is the official name of Greece) applies the rule of jus sanguinis (the principle of blood), according to which a person obtains the Hellenic citizenship if he/she is born to a Greek parent, irrespective of the place where he/she is born.

    Many Greeks, who were born in Greece have emigrated to other countries, where they have established their families for many years. Most of them have obtained the citizenship of their adopted country (America, Australia, Canada, South Africa, Germany etc.). These people have never lost their Greek citizenship, even if they have never again visited their birthplace, even if they have lost their Greek identification card or other Greek documents. Provided of course that they have not officially renounced the Greek citizenship.

    Until relatively recently, this Greek citizenship could carry with it the obligation to serve in the military which could be impressed upon a male of Greek descent regardless of whether he had specifically claimed Greek citizenship.

  80. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2010 at 5:28 pm #

    One interpretation, and one which may well be the correct one, is that Sarah Obama was present in Mombasa when Obama was born in Hawaii (this was from a native Luo speaker who heard the tape). Another interpretation from Greg Doudna was that Sarah was present (“here”) in Kogelo Village when Obama was born [in Hawaii]. My original suggestion upon hearing the tape is that the word “he” refers to her stepson, Barack Obama Sr. That way it goes “I was present when he [Obama Sr.] was born” which is certainly plausible. “In the delivery room” is completely made up, not being present in any transcript or recording.

  81. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2010 at 5:31 pm #

    Chester A. Arthur was referred to contemporary newspapers as an Irishman even though he was born in the US.

  82. avatar
    SvenMagnussen April 13, 2010 at 5:34 pm #

    Hating Obama causes severe brain damage, for proof see sven, john, scott and other sock puppet posts. These posters are definitely brain damaged.

    I want Obama to succeed, but first, he must demonstrate his eligibility so we do not have to suffer the indignity of innuendo, rumor, and mocking of our sovereignty.

    It is absolutely disgusting to read expatriates and foreigners wishing ill will to our American military personnel while enjoying the freedom to post at will by America’s sacrifice of blood and treasure.

  83. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2010 at 5:40 pm #

    I think that WND skirts the bounds of legality in their reporting. They are full of misleading statements, and they allow outright lies in commentary. However, if they were to actually stand behind a fraudulently obtained statement from Kenya and then collect donations for billboards, and then be caught, that would be criminal fraud.

    They know exactly the scam they are pulling and they have no intention of going to jail for it.

  84. avatar
    SFJeff April 13, 2010 at 6:03 pm #

    “I want Obama to succeed, but first, he must demonstrate his eligibility so we do not have to suffer the indignity of innuendo, rumor, and mocking of our sovereignty.”

    Wait- wasn’t the eligibility issue settled when he was sworn in? Might I also point out that innuendo and rumor were presistant also during the Clinton administration without any such ‘eligibility’ doubts. The innuendo and rumor will continue throughout the Obama presidency no matter what he does or does not do. That is the nature of the birthers and the Karl Roves of the world.

    “It is absolutely disgusting to read expatriates and foreigners wishing ill will to our American military personnel while enjoying the freedom to post at will by America’s sacrifice of blood and treasure.”

    I really don’t have a clue how this has anything to do with the Birthers, but I think we can all agree that we are all disgusted by any who wish ill will to American military personnel who put themselves in the line of fire, and that those who refuse their orders are failing in their duties to protect those freedoms.

  85. avatar
    Rickey April 13, 2010 at 6:07 pm #

    SvenMagnussen says:

    I want Obama to succeed, but first, he must demonstrate his eligibility so we do not have to suffer the indignity of innuendo, rumor, and mocking of our sovereignty.

    The only people guilty of innuendo, rumor and mocking are you and your fellow birthers.

  86. avatar
    aarrgghh April 13, 2010 at 6:15 pm #

    sven, holding his breath:

    “… but first, he must demonstrate his eligibility so we do not have to suffer the indignity of innuendo, rumor, and mocking of our sovereignty.”

    despite all evidence to the contrary, i continue to presume you’re an adult, which means that you can stop with the innuendo, rumor, and mocking of our sovereignty all on your own.

  87. avatar
    Rickey April 13, 2010 at 6:32 pm #

    And even if Maya got it wrong, so what? I had three older brothers who were born before and during World War II, and I have no idea about the names of the hospitals where they were born. It never occurred to me to ask them. Only one is still alive, so maybe I’ll give him a call and ask him. Of course, his knowledge is limited to what our parents told him, because New York State birth certificates don’t identify the hospital of birth, only the city of birth.

  88. avatar
    BatGuano April 13, 2010 at 6:34 pm #

    The statments from Hawaii Officials are inconclusive since they have refused to reveal the name of hospital Obama was born at, the doc who delivered him…..

    what were the names of the doctor and hospital that delivered ford ? nixon ? lbj ? jfk ? ike ? truman ? fdr ?……

  89. avatar
    Rickey April 13, 2010 at 6:53 pm #

    John says:

    No public drive to commemorate Obama’s place of birth.

    Where is the public drive to commemorate George W. Bush’s place of birth? He claims that he was born at Yale-New Haven Hospital in Connecticut, but the hospital’s website doesn’t even mention him. Why hasn’t he released his birth certificate? What is he hiding?

  90. avatar
    misha April 13, 2010 at 8:07 pm #

    “Why hasn’t he released his birth certificate? What is he hiding?”

    Because Shrub was born in Saudi Arabia. Remember that photo of him kissing the Saudi “king.” Youser!
    .

  91. avatar
    misha April 13, 2010 at 8:11 pm #

    And don’t forget the circumstances around Ford and Romney. Plenty of skeletons there.

  92. avatar
    The Sheriff's A Ni- April 13, 2010 at 8:59 pm #

    More like “I’m not a racist asshole but…”

  93. avatar
    J. Edward Tremlett April 13, 2010 at 9:01 pm #

    “I want Obama to succeed”

    Then why won’t you trust him?

    There is no reasonable, logical reason for him to lie. It would have been frighteningly easy for that lie to have been exposed, and you can bet that Hillary Clinton’s people would have been at the forefront of that exposure.

    There is no reasonable reason to doubt his word at this point. The only “reasons” remaining are racism, falsely-placed islamophobia, dislike of his politics, or dislike of him as a person.

    You say you want him to succeed, so I guess his politics are alright by you. So which of the remaining three is it?

  94. avatar
    misha April 13, 2010 at 9:03 pm #

    Excellent rebuttal, Edward.

  95. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2010 at 9:11 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: I want Obama to succeed, but first, he must demonstrate his eligibility …

    I have no idea about Sven’s real name or circumstances, but he certainly reminds me of a playmate I had growing up. The following anecdote is true. Only the names have been changed. I was about 10 years old:

    Young Dr. Conspiracy: Hey Sven, let’s go to your house and play with your Erector set.
    Young Sven: I want to do that, but first I want you to take that pile of large stones and put them in this hole.
    (Young Dr. Conspiracy, who only had Tinker Toys really wanted to play with the Erector set, moved the stones)
    Young Dr. Conspiracy (panting): All the stones are moved into the hole, Sven. Let’s go play with your Erector set.
    Young Sven: I certainly want to do that, but first I want you to take all those stones out of the hole and pile them up over here.
    (At this point Young Dr. Conspiracy began to doubt the sincerity of his playmate and decided to go home and play with his Tinker Toys.)

  96. avatar
    SluggoJD April 13, 2010 at 9:21 pm #

    Seriously, is this supposed to prove anything?

    One of 2008-2009’s favorite con artists was Sammy Korir of African Press International, aided by Beckwith (aka Parker Shannon). Korir is a Kenyan, and has stated, and posted, and alluded to on many occasions that Obama was born in Kenya.

    Besides the obvious fact that he is an evil man and a liar, Korir did this because he did not support Raila Odinga, and nutcases like him spread the (false) rumor that Obama and Odinga were cousins.

    Korir’s crimes are many, including spreading Beckwith’s fake “Michelle Obama tape” story, and involvement in the “Obama gave $1,000,000 to Odinga” garbage.

    This latest idiot is probably nothing more than another Kenyan who doesn’t like Odinga…or perhaps his email scams have dried up.

  97. avatar
    richCares April 13, 2010 at 9:48 pm #

    Orengo’s comment sure has the birthers in a dizzy, they are so excited, one more OMG moment. If you go to a birther’s bathroom you will see white spots all over the walls they are so giddy. This happens at every OMG moment, they have had many of these (OMG moments that go nowhere).

  98. avatar
    sarina April 13, 2010 at 9:55 pm #

    John

    Sarah Obama said clearly, with the help of the translator. “No he was born in Hawaii, America”, here is the tape, the clarification starts at about 5 minutes:

    http//s16v.com/americasright/8167169.wma

    There is also a video in Ytube
    Obama uncle confirms Obama not born in Kenya
    Posted on Tuesday, Jan. 6, 2009.
    In this video, Barack Obama’s uncle, Sayid Obama, says plainly, and in English, that Barack Obama’s first time in Kenya was in 1987. Birthers are just recycling old debunked lies!

    Grab some popcorn and enjoy the interview!

  99. avatar
    Whatever4 April 13, 2010 at 10:31 pm #

    “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — [pauses] – shame on you. Fool me — You can’t get fooled again.” George Bush

  100. avatar
    Greg April 13, 2010 at 10:34 pm #

    It is absolutely disgusting to read expatriates and foreigners wishing ill will to our American military personnel while enjoying the freedom to post at will by America’s sacrifice of blood and treasure.

    I find it disgusting for military personnel to serve under Obama with no problems for a year and a half, following orders every day, but when ordered to assist the combat mission in Afghanistan, they suddenly decide they need to protest Obama’s citizenship.

  101. avatar
    Montana April 14, 2010 at 12:19 am #

    I love that they asked for “Public Defenders” (and they thought they could bring down our government), undercover FBI agent, sweet. Since their inception the Tea party crowd (not a movement since they do have the numbers or clout) because they are haters not debaters or as others have dubbed them screamers not dreamers. The simpleton Tea baggers are the same whiners that were crying when the McCain/Bailin ticket lost. Now that their yelling and screaming failed to stop the health care debate and the bill from passing they are crying again. Let’s face it the Republicans had eight years to deal with health care, immigration, climate change and financial oversight and governance and they failed. The Republicans are good at starting wars (two in eight years, with fat contracts to friends of Cheney/Bush) but not at winning wars as seen by the continuing line of body bags that keep coming home. Instead of participating in the health care debate of ideas the Republicans party turned inward to their old fashion obstructionist party. In my opinion the Republican Waterloo loss was caused by the party allowing a small portions (but very loud) of the republican party of “birthers, baggers and blowhards” to take over their party. I will admit that this fringe is very good at playing “Follow the Leader” by listening to their dullard leaders, Beck, Hedgecock, Hannity, O’Reilly, Rush, Savage, Sarah Bailin, Orly Taitz, Victoria Jackson, Michele Bachmann and the rest of the Blowhards and acting as ill programmed robots (they have already acted against doctors that perform abortions). The Tea party crowd think they can scare, intimidate and force others to go along with them by comments like “This time we came unarmed”, let me tell you something not all ex-military join the fringe militia crazies who don’t pay taxes and run around with face paint in the parks playing commando, the majority are mature and understand that the world is more complicated and grey than the black and white that these simpleton make it out to be and that my friend is the point. The world is complicated and presidents like Hamilton, Lincoln, and Roosevelt believed that we should use government a little to increase social mobility, now it’s about dancing around the claim of government is the problem. The sainted Reagan passed the biggest tax increase in American history and as a result federal employment increased, but facts are lost when mired in mysticism and superstition. Although some Republicans are trying to distant themselves from this fringe most of them, having no game plan/ vision for our country, are just going along and fanning the flames. For a party that gave us Abraham Lincoln, it is tragic that the ranks are filled with too many empty suits. But they now claim they have changed, come on, what sucker is going to believe that? All I can say to you is remember Waterloo.

  102. avatar
    misha April 14, 2010 at 12:26 am #

    “The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” – George Bush

  103. avatar
    Benji Franklin April 14, 2010 at 1:24 am #

    Toast delivered by President Michelle Obama in the Second Term Wing during the dedication of the Obama Presidential Library in 2018: “I want Obama to succeed, but FIRST, he must demonstrate his eligibility so we do not have to suffer the indignity of innuendo, rumor, and mocking of our sovereignty.” Audience laughs for 4 minutes and 30 seconds.

    Benji Franklin

  104. avatar
    misha April 14, 2010 at 1:30 am #

    “the dedication of the Obama Presidential Library in 2018”

    Glenn Beck: “His library will be stocked with the works of Marx, Engle, Lenin, Frank Marshall Davis and their fellow travellers. Don’t let your children go into that building, if you value their sanity. Look at this blackboard…”

  105. avatar
    Bovril April 14, 2010 at 2:01 am #

    Montana,

    Even the Tea Party crew show elements of greater sanity than the Birthers, They’ve dis-invited Orrrrrrrrly from one of their main rally’s. (Although possibly the last line below may be a tad disingenuous)

    Activist who challenges Obama’s citizenship is booted from Tax Day Tea Party

    After candidates complain to organizers, Orly Taitz’s speaking engagement is withdrawn. Taitz has been a leading voice in the discredited ‘birther’ movement.

    Several California Republican political candidates, including Senate hopeful Carly Fiorina, were scheduled to share the stage this week with one of the leaders of the “birther” movement that claims President Obama was not born in this country and is thus ineligible for his elected office.

    Orly Taitz, an Orange County attorney who has gone to court many times to try to disqualify Obama, was invited to speak Thursday at a Tax Day Tea Party rally in Pleasanton, Calif., that is expected to draw thousands of people. Late Tuesday, organizers said that they had rescinded Taitz’s invitation after questions were raised about her presence by candidates who had been contacted by The Times.

    Bridget Melson, founder and president of the Pleasanton Tea Party, said the organization had been “getting calls from candidates like crazy.”

    “It’s not worth it,” she said. “She’s too controversial. This is not what the tea party is about at this point.”

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-taxday14-2010apr14,0,2366118.story

  106. avatar
    SvenMagnussen April 14, 2010 at 4:48 am #

    SvenMagnussen: I want Obama to succeed, but first, he must demonstrate his eligibility …I have no idea about Sven’s real name or circumstances, but he certainly reminds me of a playmate I had growing up. The following anecdote is true. Only the names have been changed. I was about 10 years old:Young Dr. Conspiracy: Hey Sven, let’s go to your house and play with your Erector set.
    Young Sven: I want to do that, but first I want you to take that pile of large stones and put them in this hole.
    (Young Dr. Conspiracy, who only had Tinker Toys really wanted to play with the Erector set, moved the stones)
    Young Dr. Conspiracy (panting): All the stones are moved into the hole, Sven. Let’s go play with your Erector set.
    Young Sven: I certainly want to do that, but first I want you to take all those stones out of the hole and pile them up over here.
    (At this point Young Dr. Conspiracy began to doubt the sincerity of his playmate and decided to go home and play with his Tinker Toys.)

    Cuz, I’m a teacher …

    I could have told you to demonstrate independence and buy your own erector set, but you would have quickly forgotten that lesson and only remembered Young Sven as selfish.

    But, through a participatory demonstration project, you learned a lesson on self-determination that you have never forgotten.

    I do the very same thing on these message boards because I’m a giver.

    You’re welcome.

  107. avatar
    SvenMagnussen April 14, 2010 at 4:51 am #

    Anti-semites!

  108. avatar
    Keith April 14, 2010 at 6:41 am #

    I got my SS# when I was eleven.

    Your babbling makes no sense.

  109. avatar
    Bovril April 14, 2010 at 6:45 am #

    No Sven/Dick/Muppet

    Potentially coming to their senses.

  110. avatar
    Keith April 14, 2010 at 6:48 am #

    Of course not! He was a “Son of Ireland” πŸ™‚

  111. avatar
    Bob Ross April 14, 2010 at 8:56 am #

    If you’re a teacher I’d hate to be in your class with all the bad information you disseminate. Are you still teaching that Columbus discovered America?

  112. avatar
    BatGuano April 14, 2010 at 9:35 am #

    Bridget Melson, founder and president of the Pleasanton Tea Party, said the organization had been “getting calls from candidates like crazy.”

    correction: “getting calls from candidates about crazy.”

  113. avatar
    SvenMagnussen April 14, 2010 at 10:16 am #

    I teach my kids losers read the fiction written by the winners and that’s why they call it his story.

  114. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 14, 2010 at 10:51 am #

    What do you call loser fiction?

  115. avatar
    misha April 14, 2010 at 11:11 am #

    “Anti-semites!”

    I’m Jewish and Russian, and she is nothing more than a shonde.

    They disinvited her because she is clinically insane. Did you see that last interview? That is beyond neurotic.

  116. avatar
    Black Lion April 14, 2010 at 11:26 am #

    Sven’s/Dick’s incoherent ramblings regarding minors renouncing their citizenships and unsubstantiated adoptions…

  117. avatar
    SvenMagnussen April 14, 2010 at 12:00 pm #

    The darkness before the dawn.

  118. avatar
    SvenMagnussen April 14, 2010 at 12:05 pm #

    Contacts for confirmation if you’re truly interested:

    Tell them Sven says, “Hello!”

    Bilateral Adoptions.

    Intercountry adoptions occurring between the United States and a country with which the United States does not have a treaty relationship under The Hague Adoption Convention. Bilateral adoptions are also sometimes called non Hague adoptions.

    Office of Children’s Issues in the Bureau of Consular Affairs, Directorate of Overseas Citizens Services (CA/OCS/CI) the office, responsible for intercountry adoption policy and implementation of the Hague Adoption Convention in the United States. It is also known as “CI.” CA/OCS/CI is responsible for the day to day work of the U.S. Central Authority under the Hague Adoption Convention and maintains the following e mail boxes.

    AdoptionUSCA@state.gov. The email address of the U.S. Central Authority for the Hague Adoption Convention, Bureau of Consular Affairs, Directorate of Overseas Citizens Services, Office of Children’s Issues (CA/OCS/CI).

    ASKCI@state.gov The general email address of the Bureau of Consular Affairs, Directorate of Overseas Citizens, Office of Children’s Issues (CA/OCS/CI).

  119. avatar
    Loren April 14, 2010 at 12:06 pm #

    I agree with the likelihood of that interpretation, except for one detail:

    “is that Sarah Obama was present in Mombasa when Obama was born in Hawaii”

    Nowhere on the tape does Sarah Obama ever indicate she was in Mombasa, at the time of Obama’s birth or at any other time in her life. Mombasa is never even mentioned in the conversation prior to the disputed statement, and when McRae subsequently brings up Mombasa, it is repeatedly denied.

    To save the trouble of folks searching out the transcript for themselves, here’s the very first reference to Mombasa during the call, and the reply:

    McRae: “Uh, could you tell me where he was
    born? Was he born in Mombasa?”

    Translator: “No! Obama was not born in
    Mombasa! He was born in America!”

  120. avatar
    Black Lion April 14, 2010 at 12:20 pm #

    (Yawn…). Sven, posting the same nonsense dosen’t change things. There was no adoption. There has been no proof that an adoption ever occured. His mother was alive and he was an American citizen. You continually post irrelevant information about fictious adoptions and fictional agencies that supposedly helped refugees and never provide any supporting evidence. But we all expect that from you because we all know that you are aware that you are full of crap. You know that the President is eligible, but you want to stand out in the crowd so you make up these fantasies about adoptions and minors renouncing their citizenship so that you can win the prize for the most ridiculous birther theory out there. I will say at least unlike yesterday you made me laugh. But I suspect is was more because you are pathetically attempting to push the adoption story again. Tomorrow it will be the consular passport and then on Friday it will be the renounciation story…You are nothing if not consistent…

  121. avatar
    SFJeff April 14, 2010 at 12:55 pm #

    Montana- for ease of reading- paragraphs please.

  122. avatar
    SvenMagnussen April 14, 2010 at 1:18 pm #

    I thought you wanted independent confirmation on the ability of a minor, or any U.S. Citizen, to renounce their citizenship.

    It is important to realize that a minor’s renunciation isn’t final until a Certificate of Loss of Nationality (CLN) is issued by the U.S. State Department and the minor does not rescind their renunciation of citizenship 6 months after their 18th birthday.

    Do not fear the unknown, BL. Indonesia is thriving under centralized authoritarian rule. It has 200 million happy, productive citizens and any adoptee with an Indonesian National parent would do well as a citizen.

    But, to become an Indonesian National, the adoptee must first have their country of origin (COO) issue a CLN because Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship.

    The file on Barry Soetoro at the U.S. State Department is as thick as the Koran. They know it. I know it. And you know it. If LTC Lakin obtains confirmation Barack Hussein Obama Sr. had the Soetoro adoption dissolved in 1971-72, then it opens up the case to prove Obama’s ineligibility. If not, then are free to continue to write your own history and be dismissive of anyone who disagrees.

  123. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 14, 2010 at 1:21 pm #

    Loren: Nowhere on the tape does Sarah Obama ever indicate she was in Mombasa, at the time of Obama’s birth or at any other time in her life.

    This interpretation came from Leo Omolo, an Obama family friend and native speaker of Lou and Swahili, who listened to the tape. It is possible that there was something on the tape that was not translated. The transcript only covers the English content of the tape.

    Consider the source, the Post & Email, but I think that the Omolo interview is authentic as I discussed in my article.

  124. avatar
    SFJeff April 14, 2010 at 1:23 pm #

    “I thought you wanted independent confirmation on the ability of a minor”

    Yes- and your post didn’t do that. Show one documented example of any minor under the age of 11 successfully renouncing his citizenship. We keep asking, and you keep dancing.

    “The file on Barry Soetoro at the U.S. State Department is as thick as the Koran.”

    More speculative fiction on your part- the latest Chapter of Barry and the Pirates. Personally I will stick with actual documented information, and leave the fiction writing to you.

  125. avatar
    SvenMagnussen April 14, 2010 at 2:15 pm #

    I urge you not to rely on information posted at a blog site host by a person who goes by the name Dr. Conspiracy with additional information posted by a person who goes by the name SvenMagnussen.

    The contacts at this email address are highly trained professionals and can answer your questions accurately:

    ASKCI@state.gov

    The general email address of the Bureau of Consular Affairs, Directorate of Overseas Citizens, Office of Children’s Issues (CA/OCS/CI).

    It is important to understand a renouncement of citizenship is merely a request for the U.S. Sec. of State (SoS) to issue a CLN to the requester. The current SoS may tell you he/she would never, under any circumstance, issue a CLN to any minor U.S. Citizen.

    The appropriate question is, “Would the SoS of 1965-68 issue a CLN to a minor who moved to and established a residence with an Indonesian National and his mother in Indonesia?”

  126. avatar
    Black Lion April 14, 2010 at 2:23 pm #

    Sven, don’t be obtuse. We want proof that such an event occured. Making up a wild fantasy about what could have happened is ridiculous. No one can prove a negative.

    You claim there is a CLN for President Obama. OK, prove it. Show us somewhere that there is even tangible evidence that such a document exists. We both know you can’t because it never did.

    Secondly President Obama could have never become a citizen of Indonesia. Dr. C has shown you that this would have been impossible on numerous occasions. You just choose to ignore the evidence. Additionally since you are so adamant to keep pushing this impossibility, provide to us one piece of proof that Obama was ever a citizen of Indonesia. Not speculation but proof. Again you can’t because you are making things up. This all doesn’t even take into consideration that Obama even if he had been a Indonesian citizen he would not have lost his US citizenship.

    Third what state department file? Have you seen it? Has someone gone on record saying that such a file existed? Come on, we all know you are making this up but this is getting a bit far fetched even for you. Next you are going to tell us that Obama was really a secret NSA/CIA/SHIELD agent as a child.

    Finally adoption. Wasn’t George Bush adopted? I mean it was scrubbed when his so called father was head of the CIA. But we don’t know for sure that he wasn’t adopted from Russia. Can you prove that he wasn’t? No. Well an easier question then. Can you provide us with any proof that an adoption ever occured? No?

    So to wrap up your fantasy for today we now know that you can’t provide any proof for any of your ridiculous theories, making you the Orly of Dr. C’s posters. Dubious distinction at best, but appropriate since like her you have never provided any evidence of your wild accusations….However keep up your writing…I see a NY Times worst seller in your future….

  127. avatar
    HellT April 14, 2010 at 2:49 pm #

    “It is absolutely disgusting to read expatriates and foreigners wishing ill will”

    You mean like expat American Grand Jury founder Bob Campbell? And expat World Net Daily columnist Vox Day/Ted Beale?

    Beale’s dad Robert, who happens to be one of the founders of World Net Daily, is sitting in a US prison cell right now since being convicted for tax evasion, and calling on his followers to take out the judge hearing his case. (“God wants me to destroy the judge. That judge is evil. He wants me to get rid of her.”) Beale’s a Christian Dominionist, and they reject the US legal system, saying they have to follow no other law but God’s law.

    Those are the kind of disgusting, criminal, reprehensible persons you associate with, Sven. And you are known by the company you keep.

  128. avatar
    Greg April 14, 2010 at 2:50 pm #

    The file on Barry Soetoro at the U.S. State Department is as thick as the Koran. They know it. I know it.

    How do you know it? Where did you learn this bit of information?

    Do you have a source, or it a fever-dream?

  129. avatar
    BatGuano April 14, 2010 at 3:42 pm #

    The appropriate question is, “Would the SoS of 1965-68 issue a CLN to a minor who moved to and established a residence with an Indonesian National and his mother in Indonesia?”

    dean rusk. SoS from ’61-’69 ( 2nd longest serving in the position ). most of his bio is filled with petty little trivial tid-bits ( the vietnam war, the cuban missile crisis, soviet nuclear weapon build-up, yadda yadda yadda ) but……… the mainstream media has conveniently left out the part where he personally signed off that a 6year old kid from hawaii “fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship”.

  130. avatar
    Bob Ross April 14, 2010 at 4:06 pm #

    I teach my kids losers read the fiction written by the winners and that’s why they call it his story.

    So you teach your kids your own made up history. You’re like Mr Garrison off of south park

  131. avatar
    misha April 14, 2010 at 4:34 pm #

    Dean Rusk: one of the best and the brightest.

    Everyone I know detested him.

  132. avatar
    sarina April 14, 2010 at 5:01 pm #

    Scott Brown is not a birther, he is a birfer!

  133. avatar
    J. Edward Tremlett April 14, 2010 at 5:41 pm #

    Probably “______ studies” : (

  134. avatar
    Rickey April 14, 2010 at 5:53 pm #

    SvenMagnussen says:

    The appropriate question is, “Would the SoS of 1965-68 issue a CLN to a minor who moved to and established a residence with an Indonesian National and his mother in Indonesia?”

    That’s easy. The answer is “no.”

  135. avatar
    Kathryn N April 14, 2010 at 6:12 pm #

    What a bunch of made-up crap. You should be ashamed to be such a liar. You will never get the information you want because it does not exist. Barack Obama wil serve out his term, and most likely be reelected. And the birthers will be left muttering in dark corners, about Indonesian adoptions, and secret Kenyan births, and original magic birth certificates. Have fun with that.

  136. avatar
    misha April 14, 2010 at 6:22 pm #

    Kathryn N: Obama will be re-elected, and Cory Booker will follow. That crowd better get used to it.

    We are fortunate to have a deep intellect as president, after 8 years of Shrub.

    Repeat after me: new-ku-lahr.

  137. avatar
    SFJeff April 14, 2010 at 6:35 pm #

    I fully expect that after Obama’s two terms, when his Presidential Library is opened in Hawaii, that on the wall will be posted a copy of his long form BC- just because.

  138. avatar
    SvenMagnussen April 14, 2010 at 6:52 pm #

    Dean Rusk: one of the best and the brightest.Everyone I know detested him.

    Rusk left the State Department in 1952 to take the presidential post at the Rockefeller Foundation.

    Hmmmmmm.

  139. avatar
    Rickey April 14, 2010 at 7:11 pm #

    SvenMagnussen says:

    Rusk left the State Department in 1952 to take the presidential post at the Rockefeller Foundation.

    Your point being…?

    Rusk also was a Colonel in the Army during WWII, served in Asia and was awarded the Legion of Merit with Oak Leaf Cluster. Very suspicious.

  140. avatar
    misha April 14, 2010 at 7:22 pm #

    Sven/Dick, like all birthers, is credulous, poorly informed, and has poor reading and research skills.

    Let’s try this: “Dean Rusk, who as Secretary of State for President Kennedy and President Johnson became a stubborn if much-criticized defender of the American involvement in the Vietnam War…”

    Hmmmmmm.

  141. avatar
    misha April 14, 2010 at 7:34 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: “Rusk left the State Department in 1952 to take the presidential post at the Rockefeller Foundation.”

    I know, I know: Obama’s thug agents planted that obit about Rusk in the NYT. See? His flunkies are everywhere.

  142. avatar
    SvenMagnussen April 14, 2010 at 8:10 pm #

    Relax, Misha.

    Rusk took a break from employment at the State Dept to work for the Rockefeller Foundation in 1952. He returned to the State Dept in 1961 as SoS.

  143. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 14, 2010 at 8:24 pm #

    I wonder if Obama’s sense of irony is that well-developed.

  144. avatar
    misha April 14, 2010 at 8:51 pm #

    “Relax, Misha. He returned to the State Dept in 1961 as SoS.”

    That’s not what you said until I called you on it: “Rusk left the State Department in 1952 to take the presidential post at the Rockefeller Foundation.

    Hmmmmmm.”

    You stated Rusk could not have been SoS past 1952, and could not have been one of the best and the brightest.

    Typical. Obama will be re-elected, and Cory Booker will follow. Better get used to it. And I’ll be sure to remember what Palin’s crowd dished out to me when I lived in Anchorage, especially when I go into the voting booth. Palin is trailer trash. Romney’s father was raised in a polygamy home. Very impressive. And Palin preaches abstinence while parading her knocked up daughter.

  145. avatar
    misha April 14, 2010 at 9:12 pm #

    Hey, Sven: Here’s what I really think of Sarah Palin.

    Enjoy!

  146. avatar
    Sallyven April 15, 2010 at 11:29 am #

    Both the November 2008 and March 2010 minutes of the Kenyan Parliament have now been removed from the government website:

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/04/15/kenyan-parliament-website-scrubs-november-2008-minutes-which-confirm-obama-as-son-of-the-soil/

  147. avatar
    Black Lion April 15, 2010 at 11:46 am #

    Which means exactly what in your eyes? The so called minutes are not admissible in court. In the minutes you mention it never specifically states that Barack OBama was born in Kenya. Also no corrobrating evidence, such as documentation was ever stated or presented that supported these individuals claims. So the question is what did you really have? Inadmissible uncorrobrated statements by 2 individuals that had no first hand knowledge of any Obama birth. I believe that would be considered hearsay. However WND, the Post and Fail, or any of the birthers can go to Kenya and get one of these individuals to fly to America and make a statement under oath, bring along some supporting evidence, and then you would might actually have something. Until then the COLB and the official statement from Dr. Fukino stating that Barack Obama was BORN in HI still stands.

  148. avatar
    Sallyven April 15, 2010 at 12:07 pm #

    I didn’t say it “meant” anything. It’s just an interesting piece of related information to Dr’s post.

  149. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 15, 2010 at 12:24 pm #

    Thanks for the heads up. I’ll look into it.

  150. avatar
    Black Lion April 15, 2010 at 12:27 pm #

    Sallyven, I apologize for misreading your post. I thought it was an implication that somehow it was being “scrubbed by Obama”. If that was not your intent then please accept my apology…

  151. avatar
    Saint James April 15, 2010 at 4:32 pm #

    All of you can debate or argue about circumstantial evidence, but there will be no court in the nation which will entertain the idea that Obama was born in Kenya or became a citizen of Indonesia or a citizen of the United Kingdom. OBAMA PRESENTED HIS COLB….PERIOD! A statement from a member of the Kenyan Parliament will not sway a US judge to believe that Obama was born in Kenya. Even if Kenya produces a document, will not matter in the US court. Please read this from Judge Carter’s ruling.

    “Plaintiffs appear to assume that should the Court receive a document from Kenya, the Court would give credence to this document over the American birth records of the President and the case would be resolved. Even should the Court permit the issuance of a letter rogatory to Kenya, the Court would still engage in a comparative exercise in which the records of America, which has historically maintained some of the most credible record keeping practices in the world, would be contrasted with the credibility of the records obtained from Kenya. Such an analysis would seemingly favor the records of the United States.”

    (Judge Carter granted defendants’ motion to dismiss re: Barnett v Obama, 10/29/2009, page 26)

  152. avatar
    G April 17, 2010 at 3:26 am #

    Sven says:

    I teach my kids losers read the fiction written by the winners and that’s why they call it his story.

    Wow…sounds like you have some serious personal issues to work out.

    I guess that also explains why truth is a meaningless thing to you and you don’t even care to make your fiction plausible.

  153. avatar
    G April 17, 2010 at 3:41 am #

    Greg says:

    I find it disgusting for military personnel to serve under Obama with no problems for a year and a half, following orders every day, but when ordered to assist the combat mission in Afghanistan, they suddenly decide they need to protest Obama’s citizenship.

    Agreed. If they truly had such an issue on principal and not trying to pull a stunt, they would have simply resigned when Obama was sworn in.

    When they pull stupid stunts like this after being called up for duty in a war zone, they are now screwing over their entire unit. I believe the military has a term for such folks -“Blue Falcon”