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Tim Adams claims that the birthers are racists!

This is a remarkable video of Tim Adams in a new TV interview.  He’s not right about what a Certificate [sic] of Live Birth is, but he claims that Obama was properly vetted as a candidate, and those who still object are racists.

I think we need to notch down the rancor.

You can watch the video for yourself. I don’t know what to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v2HhZ-L-MU

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286 Responses to Tim Adams claims that the birthers are racists!

  1. avatar
    richCares June 20, 2010 at 1:20 am #

    James, what’s up with your buddy Tim Adams, you had a breakup or what?

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    misha June 20, 2010 at 1:34 am #

    “I don’t know what to say.”

    I do: he’s a pathological liar. John Lovitz could take lessons from him.

    When I was in college, I briefly dated a woman who had the same schtick.

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    racosta June 20, 2010 at 1:41 am #

    want to bet that this won’t appear on WND? I’ll give 5 to 1 modds!

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    Whatever4 June 20, 2010 at 2:20 am #

    But…but… he’s so clearly wrong about what a COLB is. EVERYONE born in Hawaii also has one. And he’s so smug about blaming the issue on other people’s racism.

    My question to birthers is — what’s the value of an official certified document that merely says that someone was born alive? Why would that document exist at all? If you can’t know from the document who the person is, and where, when, and to whom that person was born, what’s the reason that information is printed there? What is the State officially recognizing? If the information isn’t necessarily correct, why bother certifying it?

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    AnotherBird June 20, 2010 at 2:50 am #

    There are many things that he says are a well informed opinion, but many others that aren’t. Tim Adams is obvious incorrect about the nature of a Certification of Live Birth. He is also incorrect about dual citizenship.

    He seems to have done absolutely no research on COLB, dual citizenship, single parent families. He suggests that their are people who are more interested in spreading misinformation is true, as pointed about by the three issues above.

    American law doesn’t preclude Americans who have dual citizens for running for president. Also, it is possible to renounce non-American citizenship if they did pose a problem.

    He again is misguided about his comment about children in single parent families. He suggests that a large percentage of children in single parent families have one parent who is an “immigrant or maybe a resident.” He seems to be suggesting that both parents need to be citizens to become president, with his comment “I wonder why we would punish people that way.”

    It seems that someone called him a racist and Tim Adams attempted to reform his image by giving another interview. However, this conclusion could be wrong.

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    Jay Bea June 20, 2010 at 4:11 am #

    Whatever4: What is the State officially recognizing? If the information isn’t necessarily correct, why bother certifying it?

    That’s quite a problem for Tim, since the COLB states Obama was born in Honolulu. So, by implication, Tim is saying that someone at the DOH issued a false COLB, and that the Hawai’ian officials who have attested to the existence of the underlying document(s) for the COLB are liars.

    And why is Tim so certain that, if Obama wasn’t born in Hawai’i, he therefore wasn’t born in the US? Is Tim implying that he knows where Obama was born?

    I think Tim is trying to distance himself from the crazy stew he originally dished up, but he doesn’t know enough about the subject to do it convincingly.

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    Dr. David Goliath June 20, 2010 at 6:34 am #

    I thought the COLB was an abstract of an original document. How can an abstract exist if the original document does not exist?

    Adams speculates Obama was born outside of the state of Hawaii and that is the reason an original document does not exist. Unfortunately, Adams completely dismisses the statutes for foundlings (assumed to be born where they are found, regardless of where they are actually born until evidence shows otherwise) and court ordered documents generated after a hearing.

    Meanwhile, Obama continues to deny he is “a person named Barry Soetoro,” yet he assumed the responsibility of exercising Mr. Soetoro’s right to privacy by objecting to FOIA requests for documents under the control of the U.S. government.

    Why is that, Tim?

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 20, 2010 at 7:32 am #

    Dr. David Goliath (Sven): Meanwhile, Obama continues to deny he is “a person named Barry Soetoro,” yet he assumed the responsibility of exercising Mr. Soetoro’s right to privacy by objecting to FOIA requests for documents under the control of the U.S. government.

    When has Obama objected to FOIA requests under the name Barry Soetoro? Just asking.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 20, 2010 at 7:47 am #

    AnotherBird: [Tim Adams] seems to have done absolutely no research on COLB, dual citizenship, single parent families. He suggests that their are people who are more interested in spreading misinformation is true, as pointed about by the three issues above.

    As Tim Adams continues to backpedal while providing absolutely no details about how he or anyone else knew Obama had no long form certificate, I think that what we are seeing here is that some supervisor in the Elections Division was reading the Internet birther web sites and came to the view that Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii. Adams, trying to make himself sound important and to inflate his story’s credibility, embellished the story with irrelevant information about databases accessible to the Elections Division. The factual mistakes you point out in Adams story are exactly those one would make if they got their information from birther web sites.

    Adams is doing nothing more that parroting birther stories and trying to make them sound important using his former job for the Honolulu Elections Division.

  10. avatar
    Scientist June 20, 2010 at 7:51 am #

    Let’s see if I can summarize what Adams is saying:

    1. He doesn’t believe (based on I don’t know what) that Obama was born in Hawaii. Of course, even if true, that doesn’t mean he was born outside the US. Stanley Ann Dunham went to high school in Seattle and had many friends there; if she had wanted to give birth somewhere other than Hawaii, Seattle is about 100 times more likely than Kenya.
    2. Wherever Obama was born, he is eligible, either because it was in the US or because the children of US citizens are eligible regardless of where they were born.
    3. The birthers are motivated (depending on whom) by racism, xenophobia and politics.
    4. The natural born citizen clause has long since outlived its purpose.
    5. A diverse society should not put restrictions based on birth or parentage on who can run for office. Let the voters decide.

    Since 2-5 are self-evident, I guess I can agree with 80% of what he says.

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    Dr. David Goliath June 20, 2010 at 9:23 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    When has Obama objected to FOIA requests under the name Barry Soetoro? Just asking.

    Kenneth L. Allen’s original FOIA request was ignored so Allen sued.

    The Original FOIA Request

    In February 2009, Arizona resident Kenneth L. Allen initiated a request through the Freedom of Information Act for the travel and passport records of Stanley Ann Dunham/Obama/Soetoro, Lolo Soetoro and Barack Obama aka Barry Soetoro. The FOIA request he sent is as follows:

    RE: Freedom of Information Act Request at 5 USC § 552 and the Privacy Act at 5 USC § 552(a), and Article II, Section I

    This request is being made to secure documents relating to Barry Soetoro, aka Barack H. Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, and aka et al. or verification of requested documents that do or do not exist. These documents will be used as evidence to secure administrative or judicial due process under the United States Constitution, Article II, Section I.

    Requestor hereby requests a waiver of fees. For any reason the agency feels it cannot waive the fees, the requestor will pay only reasonable fees not more than $25.00.

    This request is being made under the Freedom of Information Act at 5 USC § 552 and the Privacy Act at 552(a), Article II, Section I and the 14th Amendment. Documents requested herein are for personal and public use; therefore I hereby request that the following documents be expedited:

    1. All United States Passport records relating to Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama, including, but not limited to, any and all reports and findings of the Inspector General of the Department of Justice and/or the State Department investigation regarding allegations of unauthorized employee access to and tampering with Barack Hussein Obama’s passport records on at least three separate occasions in 2008, including but not limited to any information relating to birth certificates or other indicia of citizenship used to prove Obama’s American citizenship status on his original passport application and the date when Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Obama, made that original application for an American passport;

    2. All DOJ (including FBI) records concerning Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama;

    3. All such other transcriptions of testimony, letters, affidavits, depositions, declarations, and any other documents, recordings, photographs, computer records, and other evidence (“documentation” or “proof” hereafter) in Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama’s actual or constructive possession concerning proof of Defendant’s actual birthplace location and details regarding any and all Federal government information or investigations of any agency into Barry Soetoro;

    4. Documentation and proof relating to all aspects of Barry Soetoro’s residence and school registration in Indonesia, including but not limited to any and all documentation and proof relating to the alias or name “Barry Soetoro” and whether or not “Barry Soetoro” was a citizen of Indonesia;

    5. Proof (as defined and described above) including but not limited to all documentation on fixed or electronic media relating to or touching upon the question of whether Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama, legally changed his name from his adopted Indonesian name, Barry Soetoro, to Barack Hussein Obama and when his name was legally changed;

    6. Proof (as above) including but not limited to all documentation on fixed or electronic media relating to or touching upon the question of whether Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama, became a repatriated American citizen after returning to the United States from Indonesia at age 10 including but not limited to the date of that repatriation;

    7. Proof (as above) relating to the question of whether Barry Soetoro became a naturalized U.S. citizen and the date of that naturalization; or compliance with 301(b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 236, 8 U.S.C.§ 1401(b).

    8. All documents and proof of every kind (as above) constituting, relating to, or touching upon Barry Soetoro’s college, university, and law school records and transcripts of enrollment and attendance, including but not limited to the unredacted name (i.e., Obama, Soetoro, Dunham) and country of citizenship that Barry Soetoro used for registration as a college student and relating to or touching upon the question of whether Barry Soetoro registered as an American or foreign student; and any and all documents to include student visas issued by the U.S. Government.

    9. Documentation or proof relating to the question of whether Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama (or any alias used by Barry Soetoro) ever identified or held himself out to be a foreign exchange student under the name of Barry Soetoro from 1979 to 1981 and during any other time periods;

    10. Barry Soetoro’s medical records and those of his mother from January 1, 1961, through the present day.

    11. Any and all documents and other proof, in whatever media recorded (fixed, electronic, analog or digital), including but not limited to the passport that Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama, used in 1981, relating to or touching upon any of Defendant’s travel abroad prior to 2000, including but not limited to his self-reported travel in 1981 to Pakistan;

    12. Any and all documents and other proof, including the passport that Barry Soetoro, aka Obama used in 2006, relating to or touching upon any of Barry Soetoro’s travel abroad since 2000, including but not limited to his self-reported trip in 2006 to Kenya;

    13. Any and all documents and other proof in whatever media recorded relating to the question of whether a group called “Friends of Barry Soetoro” or any similar name contributed to Kenyan political candidate Raila Odinga in 2006;

    14. Any and all other documents relating to or proof concerning any and all conflicting citizenship or residence records and/or reports regarding Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Obama’s travels to Kenya and Indonesia;

    15. All documents and proof, including but not limited to documents showing the names and contact information for investigators or other witnesses, including but not limited to clerks and custodians of records, relating to or touching upon the investigations allegedly performed and findings on the information forwarded to the FBI about Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama by the office of U.S. Senator Lamar Alexander from Tennessee;

    16. Any and all documents or other proof relating to governmental or non-governmental tests or investigations or inquiries conducted the authenticity confirmation for Barry Soetoro and processes used to compare its findings.

  12. avatar
    DaveH June 20, 2010 at 9:40 am #

    The only statement Tim Adams made in this video that I believe is true is that people get into public office because they want to help. Well… most of them anyway. I do believe Obama is probably the best politician there is because it doesn’t appear that he wants to be a career politician. He was a state senator, US senator and now president. After he’s finished being president, he’ll return to the private sector. To me, he’s exactly what the Tea Partiers want. People that don’t become career politicians that build their fortunes through politics.

    You do have to wonder why he did this interview.

  13. avatar
    misha June 20, 2010 at 11:38 am #

    Dr. David Goliath: snore

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    James June 20, 2010 at 11:42 am #

    Tim Adams stands by his claim – Obama was NOT born in Hawaii. All the other stuff is just retoric talk but Tim Adams stands by his word.

    If Obama had a long-form Birth Certificate, we would have seen it by now. We probably would have seen the Long Form Birth Certificate long long ago when Phil Berg first filed his lawsuit.

    Based on the evidence, it appears that as a matter of record, Obama was born in Hawaii. But there is no evidence to date that as a matter of FACT that Obama was indeed physically born in Hawaii.

  15. avatar
    James June 20, 2010 at 11:47 am #

    Obama was born in Kenya:
    http://networkedblogs.com/4X7a7

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    Bovril June 20, 2010 at 12:01 pm #

    Sven,

    Just as a matter of interest was yiur nursery painted with lesd based paint?

    You make a bald statement that President Obama objected to and blocked access to the birth records the non exstent Barry Soetoro.

    Dr C rightly calls you out on it

    Your proof is that some muppet has demanded these non existent records.

    Said non existent records strangely enough can’t be provided ‘acuse they are imaginary

    And this is your “proof”…?

    Face meet palm

  17. avatar
    Bovril June 20, 2010 at 12:02 pm #

    I apologise for the spelling, smartphone and fat fingers = ooooops….8-)

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    yguy June 20, 2010 at 12:12 pm #

    Scientist: Let’s see if I can summarize what Adams is saying:

    […]

    2. Wherever Obama was born, he is eligible … or because the children of US citizens are eligible regardless of where they were born.

    […]

    Since 2-5 are self-evident, I guess I can agree with 80% of what he says.

    That’s not what 8USC§1401-1409 say, even granting the dubious premise that Congress has any authority to confer citizenship at birth on the foreign born.

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    James June 20, 2010 at 12:16 pm #

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTjdFAQWBBU
    Barack H Obama was born in Kenya The REAL Birth Certificate AT LAST

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    Dr. David Goliath June 20, 2010 at 12:38 pm #

    Bovril: I apologise (apologize) for the spelling, smartphone and fat fingers = ooooops….8-)

    Bovril = Orly Taitz

    Hi, Orly!

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    Scientist June 20, 2010 at 1:23 pm #

    yguy: That’s not what 8USC§1401-1409 say, even granting the dubious premise that Congress has any authority to confer citizenship at birth on the foreign born

    On what court are you a judge?

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    misha June 20, 2010 at 1:23 pm #

    James: The REAL Birth Certificate AT LAST

    No, the REAL BC is here at last.

    Obama born in Kenya? No:
    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/03/obama-born-in-kenya-no.html

    Lucas Smith has a very checkered background, which includes criminal records involving check forgery and an attempt to sell his kidney to a man who was in need of an organ transplant.

    http://image.examiner.com/x-16327-Clark-County-Liberal-Examiner~y2009m9d13-Man-with-Kenyan-certificate-testifies-in-court

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    richCares June 20, 2010 at 1:34 pm #

    “Just as a matter of interest was yiur nursery painted with lesd based paint?”
    no need to apoligize, I thought you just imitating sven (James) spelling!

  24. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 20, 2010 at 1:51 pm #

    DaveH: You do have to wonder why [Tim Adams] did this interview.

    My best guess? He did it to get attention.

  25. avatar
    BatGuano June 20, 2010 at 1:54 pm #

    James: what is the “evidence to date that as a matter of FACT” that any other president was born in the US ?

  26. avatar
    BatGuano June 20, 2010 at 1:55 pm #

    apologies for messing up the quote. would like an answer though.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 20, 2010 at 1:58 pm #

    James: Obama was born in Kenya:
    http://networkedblogs.com/4X7a7

    James’ link opens:

    The whole world is aware that Barack Hussein Obama AKA Barry Soetoro was not born in Honolulu, Hawaii, but was born in Kenya.

    The rest is equally untrue, misleading, and generally crap.

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    NbC June 20, 2010 at 2:01 pm #

    James: Tim Adams stands by his claim – Obama was NOT born in Hawaii. All the other stuff is just retoric talk but Tim Adams stands by his word.

    Based on total hearsay but clever attempt to distract from earlier claims that suggested that he had actually done the research himself. He is trying to protect himself from having violated Hawaiian privacy laws.
    Clever boy..

  29. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 20, 2010 at 2:02 pm #

    James: Tim Adams stands by his claim – Obama was NOT born in Hawaii.

    But now he says Obama WAS born somewhere in the US. Fancy that.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 20, 2010 at 2:06 pm #

    Dr. David Goliath: Kenneth L. Allen’s original FOIA request was ignored so Allen sued.

    I get the part about” Allen sued” (and you could have saved yourself the trouble of pasting his request). The part of your claim that is so-far unsupported is “Obama objected.”

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    richCares June 20, 2010 at 2:07 pm #

    James “Tim Adams stands by his word.”
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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    James June 20, 2010 at 2:15 pm #

    I believe Tim Adam’s position is that Obama was NOT born in Hawaii. Tim Adams doesn’t know where Obama was born. But Tim Adams believes that wherever Obama was born (Whether somewhere elese in the US or in a foreign country) that because Obama’s mother was a US citizen, Obama is eligible to be the POTUS. But, Adam’s position that Obama WAS NOT born Hawaii has not wavered.

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    richCares June 20, 2010 at 2:44 pm #

    Adam’s position that Obama WAS NOT born Hawaii has not wavered.
    POSITION
    Based on what dear james, your silly opinion, Adams opinion on this is worthless. In case you didn’t know Obama has been president for over 18 months, your belief on this topic is worthless. go to your local post office and see whose picture is on the wall as president.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 20, 2010 at 2:48 pm #

    James: Obama is eligible to be the POTUS. But, Adam’s position that Obama WAS NOT born Hawaii has not wavered.

    More accurately Adams’ position is that “he was told that Obama was not born in Hawaii.”

    I believe Adams. I’ve been told the same thing myself. Adams, however, doesn’t seem to have asked for any evidence.

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    J. Edward Tremlett June 20, 2010 at 3:00 pm #

    It sounds to me like, if he is indeed being honest, he’s trying to have it both ways.

    On one hand, he thinks that he was told the truth by these people he works with – to wit, there is no long form birth certificate on file for Barack Obama in Hawai’i. He does not say he went looking for it. He does not say how they knew. He was just told this, apparently, and took it as gospel.

    On the other hand, he thinks President Obama WAS born in America, or was at least born to an American citizen, and therefore is eligible for the Presidency. But the logic train jumps tracks a few places in there, and it really sounds like he doesn’t know WHAT to think, but he knows what he wants to say.

    So yeah, I think my earlier assessment of him stands. He’s trying to get attention and succeeding, but he’s also realizing that he’s gotten himself in some hot water with all this attention and is trying to kiss ass and backpedal a bit.

    And I agree – we will not see any of this on WND. Ever.

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    SFJeff June 20, 2010 at 3:26 pm #

    I think James position is that whatever Tim says, or anyone else says, President Obama was not eligible to be President and that any hint of an innuendo or speculation is clear evidence that supports James firm conviction in this matter.

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    J. Edward Tremlett June 20, 2010 at 4:10 pm #

    SFJeff: I think James position is that whatever Tim says, or anyone else says,President Obama was not eligible to be President and that any hint of an innuendo or speculation is clear evidence that supports James firm conviction in this matter.

    I think you’re right, sadly enough.

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    Bovril June 20, 2010 at 4:16 pm #

    Dr. David Goliath: Bovril = Orly TaitzHi, Orly!

    Poor old Sven, if you had something better than the attention span of a drunken gnat you will have seen that I regularly use both English-English and American-English spelling.

    I do however note that you singularly failed to actually respondent to the rebuttal of your asinine Soetoro comment. Care to answer…?

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    AnotherBird June 20, 2010 at 4:58 pm #

    Dr. David Goliath:
    Kenneth L. Allen’s original FOIA request was ignored so Allen sued.The Original FOIA RequestIn February 2009, Arizona resident Kenneth L. Allen initiated a request through the Freedom of Information Act for the travel and passport records of Stanley Ann Dunham/Obama/Soetoro, Lolo Soetoro and Barack Obama aka Barry Soetoro. The FOIA request he sent is as follows:RE: Freedom of Information Act Request at 5 USC § 552 and the Privacy Act at 5 USC § 552(a), and Article II, Section I …

    First the Freedom of Information Act doesn’t include travel records of individuals before they held public office, nor does it include marriage records, school records as they all fall under § 552(b). Second, if you must have standing in order to sue or get access to an individuals records. So it seems that Mr. Allen is out of luck.

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    Rick A Hyatt June 20, 2010 at 5:09 pm #

    Whatever4: But…but… he’s so clearly wrong about what a COLB is. EVERYONE born in Hawaii also has one. And he’s so smug about blaming the issue on other people’s racism.My question to birthers is — what’s the value of an official certified document that merely says that someone was born alive? Why would that document exist at all? If you can’t know from the document who the person is, and where, when, and to whom that person was born, what’s the reason that information is printed there? What is the State officially recognizing? If the information isn’t necessarily correct, why bother certifying it?

    My son was born in Kapiolani Women’s & Childrens, and he has a REAL Birth Certificate, no COLB. The reason they gave for the legislation for the COLB was to purportedly allow the poor Filipino cane workers access to socialized health care, which they couldn’t get otherwise. But the Legislators RUSHED to pass the bill when the papers printed an article that pointed out that such could potentially let an Asian spy become President.
    Hawai’i is half-way to Red China – In every way you can think of.

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    AnotherBird June 20, 2010 at 5:18 pm #

    James: Tim Adams stands by his claim – Obama was NOT born in Hawaii.All the other stuff is just retoric talk but Tim Adams stands by his word.If Obama had a long-form Birth Certificate, we would have seen it by now.We probably would have seen the Long Form Birth Certificate long long ago when Phil Berg first filed his lawsuit.Based on the evidence, it appears that as a matter of record, Obama was born in Hawaii.But there is no evidence to date that as a matter of FACT that Obama was indeed physically born in Hawaii.

    There is no relationship between the position Tim Adams held during the 2008 election and the birth records of the president. Mr. Adams clearly states he “heard that there was no long form birth record,” but doesn’t provide who or what his source was. Tim Adams has absolutely no knowledge of any information held by the Department of Health.

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    James June 20, 2010 at 5:26 pm #

    Tim Adams did say that he and other officials made inquiries in the Hawaii Hospitals and was told their were no birthing records on Obama. Others know exactly what Adams knows but are not talking; they fear their jobs.

    If Obama really has a long-form birth certificate, WE WOULD HAVE SEEN IT BY NOW.

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    SFJeff June 20, 2010 at 5:39 pm #

    If Birthers were right, we would have seen some evidence by now. But instead, all we get is conjecture, innuendo and slander of dead grandmothers.

    Makes me proud of the true American Patriots.

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    Ellid June 20, 2010 at 5:41 pm #

    I have a very short and simple reason why the government denied the FOIA request: there is no such person as “Barry Soetoro,” which means that there are no records “him.”

    Also, many of the records requested cannot legally be released to a private citizen because of privacy laws.

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    BatGuano June 20, 2010 at 5:48 pm #

    James: Tim Adams did say that he and other officials made inquiries in the Hawaii Hospitals and was told their were no birthing records on Obama.

    in this interview ? where ????

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    Bovril June 20, 2010 at 6:17 pm #

    James: Tim Adams did say that he and other officials made inquiries in the Hawaii Hospitals and was told their were no birthing records on Obama. Others know exactly what Adams knows but are not talking; they fear their jobs.

    Jamesy,

    Telling fables again I see……

    What Adams ACTUALLY said was that he was “told” that it was “common knowledge”, by the eponymous “they/them”.

    Note Adams has already lied through his teeth about what he was, what he did and what he did and most particularly did NOT have access to as part of his temp work.

    Nobody “made enquiries”, nobody “called the hospitals”, nobody “had access to birthing records”

    In toto we have a lying sack of poo who is desperately back pedalling now his BS has been exposed for the ordure it is.

    Care to share with the community an iota of proof to support your beliefs..?

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 20, 2010 at 6:28 pm #

    Rick A Hyatt: The reason they gave for the legislation for the COLB was to purportedly allow the poor Filipino cane workers access to socialized health care, which they couldn’t get otherwise. But the Legislators RUSHED to pass the bill when the papers printed an article that pointed out that such could potentially let an Asian spy become President.

    What a bizarre comment. The Certification of Live Birth is nothing more than a certified computer printed abstract of a birth record. It doesn’t give anyone anything that they didn’t have otherwise; it’s just a different way of printing birth certificates at a lower cost and with greater efficiency.

    If you are talking about the 1982 provision for registration of out of state births, that too gives no one anything they didn’t have in the way of social benefits, since out of state forms clearly state the place of birth. It doesn’t create benefits; it only documents facts.

    But please, if the newspapers wrote articles that an Asian spy become president, please provide some references so we can go read this amazing story.

  48. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 20, 2010 at 6:32 pm #

    Rick A Hyatt: Markus Wolf is also Barry Soetono’s father, and his mother, a black Indonesian. Hence, you have all the mumbo-jumbo about the COLB, college “Records,” etc., along with the fact that such means The Great 0 also has the genetically based Celiac’s Disease, which dumbs one down when symptomatic (Like not being able to give a coherent speach [sic] without a teleprompter).

    Sven, it looks like you some new competition in cooking up fanciful stories!

    Rick, it’s spelled “speech.”

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    racosta June 20, 2010 at 7:11 pm #

    James: “Tim Adams did say that he and other officials made inquiries in the Hawaii Hospitals”
    .
    No, he didn’t, why are you embellishing this story with additional un-truths? Have you checked Obama’s portrait at gov. bldgs yet?

  50. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 20, 2010 at 7:43 pm #

    Rick Hyatt: Typical Democ-rat methodology when they can’t win the argument nor don’t like seeing their Utopian dreams come true.

    Typical conspiracy theorist, play the “oh they insulted me” card, and ignore the substantive criticism, and say the magic word “ACORN” as an excuse for anything. Except for conspiracy theories about Barack Obama, your life story is off topic here.

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    Expelliarmus June 20, 2010 at 7:50 pm #

    Most likely Tim Adams is confabulating. (I wouldn’t be surprised if Mr. Adams has a tendency to tell stories to bar buddies after downing a few beers, and then finds that he has to rationalize and walk back a few of his stories in the sober light of day.)

    Election workers do not have access to birth records, in Hawaii or elsewhere.

    Adams claimed somewhere along the line that his job entailed reviewing absentee ballots. Generally when absentee ballots are reviewed, the task is to match the signature to the registered voter, not to check on the eligibility of the registrant. That is, absentee ballots are rejected when there is an irregularity in the form of the ballot itself; it does not entail a review of voter qualifications.

    However, given the timing of Adams’ employment (months prior to the national election), it’s possible that his job was to process absentee ballot requests, rather than the ballots themselves — and that might have included requests from newly registered voters. Adams’ job may have entailed completing the registration process for individuals who registered by mail, using Hawaii’s wikiwiki voter registration form. Under federal law, first-time registrants would need to include some form of id along with their registration — and absentee registrations would need to be checked for that before mailing out their ballot. See http://www.longdistancevoter.org/hawaii

    It is possible that Adams had an assigned clerical task of typing the new voter’s information into the election department database, and conducting a verification check for newly registered voters. It is unlikely that he saw the inner workings of the verification check — rather there was probably some sort of “submit” button he clicked and later on a report would come back indicating any voters who had been flagged because of a mismatch with DMV or social security data. The system would be automated — election workers would probably not be able to see the underlying data behind the “mismatch” beyond what appeared in the report.

    Adams, being a temp worker, probably had no clue as to what records were actually being checked with the verification system — again, all he would do would be to type things into a computer and click “submit”. But it is possible that when the whole birth certificate issue came up in the summer of 2008, he might have asked somebody at his job whether their office could check birth certificate records. If he asked a supervisor, he would have been told, truthfully, that the elections office has no access to birth certificate records. Perhaps someone simply said, “we (meaning the elections department) don’t have that (meaning Obama’s long-form certificate)”. And, perhaps Adams was stupid or ignorant enough to think “we” (elections department) meant “we” (all Hawaii government).

    Everything else is simply the workings of Adams’ mind, which does give us some insight into birther thinking. In the 2 years that have intervened since Adams had his job, he has confused information that he got on the job (i.e., no long form birth certificate available to elections workers), with information he picked up in bits and snatches over the internet (i.e., false birther claim that COLB is issued to non-Hawaii registrants) — and he has formed a “professional” opinion by matching up all the tidbits of bad information running around his brain.

    So basically the only difference between Adams and every other bs-spouting birther is that Adams once had a job working for a government agency in Hawaii, creating a rife opportunity to pontificate and impress others with his fake aura of expertise.

  52. avatar
    Expelliarmus June 20, 2010 at 8:05 pm #

    Rick A Hyatt: Hence, you have all the mumbo-jumbo about the COLB, college “Records,” etc., along with the fact that such means The Great 0 also has the genetically based Celiac’s Disease

    People with Celiac’s Disease need to be on a gluten free diet (no wheat).

    Obama, on the other hand, eats bread (hamburger buns, pizza, etc.) See:
    http://blogs.sfweekly.com/foodie/Barack%20Obama%20eating%20sandwich%20at%20SoGood%20blog.png
    http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/116444-barack_obama_likes_eat_avocado_burgers_try_that.jpg
    http://anhonestclimatedebate.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/obama_pizza.jpg

    (At least you could try to make your fantasy fit the facts. Can’t you conjure up a phony disease that at least matches some real symptom? )

  53. avatar
    misha June 20, 2010 at 8:09 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): What the hell are you on about? This site has nothing to do with espionage, acorn, cyber-agents, the chinese, or utopias.

    I went to his website. I don’t know if it’s an elaborate joke, or it the guy is serious. I’m out of breath from that.

  54. avatar
    Slartibartfast June 20, 2010 at 8:11 pm #

    James:
    Barack H Obama was born in Kenya The REAL Birth Certificate AT LAST

    I especially like the statement at the end of this video:

    “Additionally there are two adult witnesses to the issuance of this certificate – enough evidence to secure a murder conviction”

    I’m just wondering what you think this means, James (and why there are no affidavits from these witnesses…).

  55. avatar
    J. Edward Tremlett June 20, 2010 at 8:12 pm #

    Well I was wrong! WND HAS put the story up, but seem unable to recognize the cognitive dissonance that it’s caused…

  56. avatar
    BatGuano June 20, 2010 at 8:32 pm #

    Rick A Hyatt: Yeah, if you don’t like the bad news, kill the messenger.

    i’m curious to see if any of the usual “ineligible” suspects support your claims.

  57. avatar
    misha June 20, 2010 at 8:35 pm #

    BatGuano: i’m curious to see if any of the usual “ineligible” suspects support your claims.

    From Hyatt’s website, I can say with certainty there’s not much to do in Wyoming.

  58. avatar
    DaveH June 20, 2010 at 8:41 pm #

    Just reading the ‘back and forth’ post here – or any other blog where you have birthers arguing with logical and intelligent people – reminds me of those Monty Python skits where the guy would go in to buy an argument.

    When I wrote my comment wondering why Tim Adams’ did this interview, Doc wrote for attention. Perhaps. It just seems such a 180 position from everything else I read regarding his original radio interview. Perhaps he felt the need to amplify his position. Regardless, his claims that ‘he knows’ that Obama wasn’t born in Hawai’i don’t hold up. He was never in any position to know any of that information as a fact.

  59. avatar
    kupuna June 20, 2010 at 9:01 pm #

    Slartibartfast: I especially like the statement at the end of this video:“Additionally there are two adult witnesses to the issuance of this certificate – enough evidence to secure a murder conviction”I’m just wondering what you think this means, James (and why there are no affidavits from these witnesses…).

    The only documents Lucas Smith could show that I’d be interested in are copies of his boarding passes to/from Nairobi & his Mombasa hotel bill.

  60. avatar
    Ellid June 20, 2010 at 9:06 pm #

    What, this guy isn’t the loon with a Time Cube?????

  61. avatar
    misha June 20, 2010 at 9:06 pm #

    DaveH: Just reading the back and forth’ post here – or any other blog where you have birthers arguing with logical and intelligent people – reminds me of those Monty Python skits where the guy would go in to buy an argument.

    Ah, my favorite skit:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

  62. avatar
    Rickey June 20, 2010 at 9:24 pm #

    Dr. David Goliath:
    Meanwhile, Obama continues to deny he is “a person named Barry Soetoro,” yet he assumed the responsibility of exercising Mr. Soetoro’s right to privacy by objecting to FOIA requests for documents under the control of the U.S. government.Why is that, Tim?

    You should try familiarizing yourself with the pleadings in Allen v. Soetoro. Allen never named “Barry Soetoro” as a defendant in the case. Instead, he named “Barry Soetoro aka Barack H. Obama.” The government interposed an Answer for Obama, but not for an individual named “Barry Soetoro.” In fact, this is the government’s only reference to Barry Soetoro:

    To the extent Allen’s FOIA requests refer to “Barry Soetoro” as a purported individual different from President Obama, such a distinction is immaterial for purposes of
    FOIA’s exhaustion requirement. Even indulging the notion that a “Barry Soetoro” exists
    (and has not been shown by Allen to be deceased), and that Defendants possess records
    concerning such a person, Allen has made no allegation that he has obtained and provided to Defendants the necessary privacy waivers to justify searches for such putative records.

    Thus, even if the government has records of someone named “Barry Soetoro,” Allen has no right to them because he has not provided privacy waivers for Soetoro and alternatively he has not provided evidence that “Barry Soetoro” is deceased.

    What you also fail to realize is that when a FOIA request is made for an individual’s records, there is no necessity or requirements for that individual to object to the request. Unless the subject of the request is deceased or the requester has a valid waiver signed by the subject, the denial of the request is automatic.

  63. avatar
    SluggoJD June 20, 2010 at 9:38 pm #

    Rick A Hyatt:
    Go to my website to see who my other half-siblings are, and where they are in politics and espionage. http://www.rickhyatt.freeservers.com

    Wow, you make Alex Jones almost look sane.

    Allow me to summarize your psychotic claims:

    1. East German General Markus Wolf is your father, by “bioengineering.”
    2. Markus Wolf is also Obama’s father.
    3. Therefore, Obama is your half brother.
    4. Sarah Palin might be your half sister.
    5. The health care bill guarantees a military attack on the U.S.
    6. Obama will petition the UN to bring Chinese troops into the U.S.
    7. Gary Condit might be your half brother.
    8. You confessed to a homosexual relationship with Bush I many years ago.
    9. You were told Condit was the person who actually killed Kennedy.
    10. You’re broke, and need donations.

    Wow, just wow.

  64. avatar
    Rickey June 20, 2010 at 9:49 pm #

    Some older rantings by Rick Hyatt can be found here:

    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=40754

  65. avatar
    misha June 20, 2010 at 10:17 pm #

    Rickey: Some older rantings by Rick Hyatt can be found here:http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=40754

    I googled Saratoga, Wyoming. Population is about 1,900, and it’s isolated. As I said, not much to do.

  66. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) June 20, 2010 at 10:30 pm #

    SluggoJD:
    Wow, you make Alex Jones almost look sane.Allow me to summarize your psychotic claims:1.East German General Markus Wolf is your father, by “bioengineering.”
    2.Markus Wolf is also Obama’s father.
    3.Therefore, Obama is your half brother.
    4.Sarah Palin might be your half sister.
    5.The health care bill guarantees a military attack on the U.S.
    6.Obama will petition the UN to bring Chinese troops into the U.S.
    7.Gary Condit might be your half brother.
    8.You confessed to a homosexual relationship with Bush I many years ago.
    9.You were told Condit was the person who actually killed Kennedy.
    10. You’re broke, and need donations.Wow, just wow.

    So let me get this straight… Gary Condit killed Kennedy when he was only 15?

  67. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) June 20, 2010 at 10:45 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    So let me get this straight… Gary Condit killed Kennedy when he was only 15?

    Sorry sluggo I’m laughing even harder reading his website “Barry Soetono?” Wow not even the birthers claim his name was Barry Soetono. Its obvious english isn’t Rick’s native language maybe Rick is a communist plant?

  68. avatar
    misha June 20, 2010 at 10:52 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): maybe Rick is a communist plant?

    Maybe Rick is a plant.

  69. avatar
    Mary Brown June 20, 2010 at 11:11 pm #

    This guy has been caught up in a web of lies. He is backtracking for whatever reason. Perhaps he is trying to make his lies more plausible to more people. Is he now claiming that the Governor is lying?

  70. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) June 20, 2010 at 11:46 pm #

    Mary Brown: This guy has been caught up in a web of lies.He is backtracking for whatever reason.Perhaps he is trying to make his lies more plausible to more people.Is he now claiming that the Governor is lying?

    Gee let me think about that one who do I trust more the Governor and the Department of Health that actually oversees birth records or some part time election staffer who only worked there for 2 months and not even during the actual election whom had no access to birth records.

  71. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) June 20, 2010 at 11:47 pm #

    Doc what triggered the moderation in my last post?

  72. avatar
    misha June 20, 2010 at 11:54 pm #

    Here’s why Adams’ story doesn’t add up: Linda Lingle is Jewish. She was determined to help McCain win, because she, and a lot of conservative Jews, felt McCain/Palin would be better for Israel.

    If she could have found anything on Obama, they would have done so with glee.

    Adams created a monster that he cannot control.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Lingle

  73. avatar
    Ellid June 21, 2010 at 12:06 am #

    I think the worthy Mr. Hyatt is even crazier than the Time Cube guy.

    Wow.

  74. avatar
    SluggoJD June 21, 2010 at 1:06 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    So let me get this straight… Gary Condit killed Kennedy when he was only 15?

    Hey, the CIA loves employing kids – heck, Hyatt says he was recruited when he was 13! lol

  75. avatar
    Hawaiiborn June 21, 2010 at 1:16 am #

    Rick A Hyatt:
    My son was born in Kapiolani Women’s & Childrens, and he has a REAL Birth Certificate, no COLB.The reason they gave for the legislation for the COLB was to purportedly allow the poor Filipino cane workers access to socialized health care, which they couldn’t get otherwise.But the Legislators RUSHED to passthe bill when the papers printed an article that pointed out that such could potentially let an Asian spy become President.
    Hawai’i is half-way to Red China – In every way you can think of.

    what a crock of bull feces

  76. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2010 at 1:19 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Doc what triggered the moderation in my last post?

    The keyword “lying.”

  77. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2010 at 1:28 am #

    DaveH: reminds me of those Monty Python skits where the guy would go in to buy an argument.

    No it doesn’t.

  78. avatar
    misha June 21, 2010 at 1:32 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: No it doesn’t.

    Yes it does.

  79. avatar
    misha June 21, 2010 at 1:38 am #

    Please note I have seen all 45 Monty Python episodes at least twice, plus all of their feature length films.

    We used to act them out, when I was in college.

  80. avatar
    Rick A Hyatt June 21, 2010 at 1:53 am #

    Well, thank you very much. As a former 4th PSYOPS Group soldier, I can see I have reached my goal. I’ve made you THINK, I’ve injected your mind with new facts that will never leave your minds, and you will remember these details as “The shit hits the fan.” You will be the road to publicity, my goal, my duty, my given military orders.
    Yes, that’s what I was told to “Remember, repress, and later repeat,” that I’d been given the duty of declassifying JFK’s assassination, and as you study the details on my website, the Director of Covert Ops had told me to remember the phrase, “To train them well, teach them young.”
    Oh, yes, I’m way beyond broke; I’m unemployed, unemployable, destroyed, all that, that’s what happens when certain government agencies pursue one to the ground. Ask Jennifer Flowers if she was not pursued by government shrinks who tried to have her committed and /or just drive her crazy. The APA is actually the most powerful executive power that the President-types have.
    I thank you for the analysis of my site, for you have got it all right, short of the insult about “Being psychotic.”
    Then, again, perhaps one would be driven to the edge of madness if so harangued, pursued, constantly surveilled, and destroyed as only the government can do in the age of the Patriot Act – And even since 1977, have they used the Secret Intelligence Court, and false frame-up’s to use as boilerplate FBI “Investigations” on me – To do what they want.
    But every dog has it’s day, and I thank you for having purviewed my website, and I hope it galvanizes a public revolt. “A little revolution once in a while is a good thing.” Thomas Jefferson.
    And my posting has EVERYTHING to do with 0’s eligibility to be/not to be President, for, as I state, he is Gen. Wolf’s proverbial “Manchurian Candidate” (HI Gov. L. Lingle is EATING IT), and in the end, the CIA’s greatest Intel Coup in the history of our great country. Sorry if the truth upsets you.
    Just imagine what it will be when SCOTUS revokes his office by demanding to see his birth certificate, and ALL that he has signed into law, every appointment he’s made, is reversed? Ever see the movie, “The Sting?” One of the grand things about our frequent elections is that the enemy cannot plan upon some dedicated ruler’s inclinations and known reactions. At present, they really don’t know the hell who is really running the country, but it sure the hell isn’t Gen. Wolf’s plant in the White House.
    So, insult me if you must: Thank you for having let me achieve my own goal.
    GBA!

  81. avatar
    Rick A Hyatt June 21, 2010 at 2:00 am #

    Actually, I was recruited when I was about 13, yes. US Govt. Agencies can do a hell of a lot to American citizens, even minors, overseas, than they can get away with in country. My second adopted step-dad was ordered to Sagami, Japan, and that was the first time I was formally approached and recruited for a life-time stint under then Investigator GHW Bush. I really didn’t understand what the hell was going on, was totally Celiac Symptomatic, and everybody in my life kept me that way, too.
    Has to do with a major inheritance deal – See my website.
    But at that time, I was given the best possible training for the rest of my life, by recruited Soke Teruo Hayashi, a former Japanese soldier, Ninja, and came to be, famous Karate Master. Please laugh, if you must, but why don’t you check out, as I say, my personal photos at my website. His training saved my life untold countless times, and I am eternally grateful.
    Go watch a James Bond movie, if you must. My life has been quite pragmatic.
    And I thank you for your interest, insinuations, and provocative “Mutt & Jeff” comments.

  82. avatar
    Rick A Hyatt June 21, 2010 at 2:39 am #

    Hawaiiborn:
    what a crock of bull feces

    What, bra? You never went read the Maui News, da Honolulu Advertiser, da Star-Bulletin da time dat law was passed? Me, I was there, been there, done that. Lived Lahaina, O’ahu, long time. Knew it was pilikia at da time. But thanks for the insult, such as to draw me out, dude.
    Hope you catch a good wave, next time body surfing, bra. Laters.

  83. avatar
    Rick A Hyatt June 21, 2010 at 2:53 am #

    Ellid: I think the worthy Mr. Hyatt is even crazier than the Time Cube guy.Wow.

    You wouldn’t understand “Crazy,” until you, yourself, have had endured what is standard, very technical, mostly secret, and intensely invasive espionage methods and means, yourself, especially since birth, as I have.
    It’s much more than “Crazy,” it’s all very, very traumatic. Maybe you could go and ask Patricia Hearst what it’s like, for example. Catch-22, such opens the door wide open to people and agencies who forever perpetuate the traumas by “Wanting to help you,” and deprive one of any sort of normal social life whatsoever, by self-perpetuating government edict.
    “National Security” overrides any personal individual Constitutional Rights, especially to Privacy, part of why our government has long descended into a Police State that it will never recover from, without a true revolt by the citizenry.
    But please dismiss me, and my “Mental State,” and please study the facts, photos, and themes that I have presented. The ideas and facts and things I was told to remember, repress, and eventually reveal simply transcend my own being or lowly social status nor your own simple and very stupid believability parameters.
    So get a life. Or go read a book. Get beyond thinking in 10-second sound byte limitations, like you’ve been programmed to be, like most modern-day generations of Americans, by the CHICOM-controlled American media.

  84. avatar
    Rick A Hyatt June 21, 2010 at 3:03 am #

    misha: Here’s why Adams’ story doesn’t add up: Linda Lingle is Jewish. She was determined to help McCain win, because she, and a lot of conservative Jews, felt McCain/Palin would be better for Israel.If she could have found anything on Obama, they would have done so with glee.Adams created a monster that he cannot control.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Lingle

    Linda Lingle is no more different that Obama as a “Perfect Governor,” being Caucasian and a woman, and therefore nothing more than a plant for the Hawaiian Monarchialists who would wish to let in the CHICOMS, simply because, as fellow Asians, they would at least be back in charge. They ARE in charge, now, as the Hawaiian Mafia, as I personally can attest to, as my many years of experience in Hawaii has been.
    I guess I’m the only person in history to have been beaten 3 times for reporting sophisticated drug operations on Maui – Twice, understandably, by the Lahaina Hawaiian Mafia – And once by the Maui Police Department.
    Sen. Inoyue himself, write me to tell me it would be investigated, but I never heard a word.
    Go figure?
    And you think the Hawaii State government is not corrupt enough to let in a foreign operative to be President? Think again…

  85. avatar
    Rick A Hyatt June 21, 2010 at 3:06 am #

    misha:
    Maybe Rickis a plant.

    Nice shrinkola, bakatari.

  86. avatar
    AnotherBird June 21, 2010 at 5:32 am #

    Rick A Hyatt:
    My son was born in Kapiolani Women’s & Childrens, and he has a REAL Birth Certificate, no COLB.

    However, what seems to have been conveniently forget is that Obama’s birth has been confirm by Hawaii’s Department of Health through the Hawaii’s governor’s office. What matters with documents is that the issuing agency or company confirm that the records are correct.

  87. avatar
    AnotherBird June 21, 2010 at 5:51 am #

    Rick A Hyatt:
    Linda Lingle is no more different that Obama as a “Perfect Governor,” being Caucasian and a woman, and therefore nothing more than a plant for the Hawaiian Monarchialists who would wish to let in the CHICOMS, simply because, as fellow Asians, they would at least be back in charge.They ARE in charge, now, as the Hawaiian Mafia, as I personally can attest to, as my many years of experience in Hawaii has been.
    I guess I’m the only person in history to have been beaten 3 times for reporting sophisticated drug operations on Maui – Twice, understandably, by the Lahaina Hawaiian Mafia – And once by the Maui Police Department.
    Sen. Inoyue himself, write me to tell me it would be investigated, but I never heard a word.
    Go figure?
    And you think the Hawaii State government is not corrupt enough to let in a foreign operative to be President?Think again…

    I am really interested in how far some birthers will go down the ‘rabbit hole’ in attempt to disprove the fact that Obama is a natural born citizen by his Hawaiian birth. Now this one has to prove that their factually false claim that they made about the Governor of Hawaii.

  88. avatar
    Dr. David Goliath June 21, 2010 at 6:41 am #

    Rickey:
    You should try familiarizing yourself with the pleadings in Allen v. Soetoro. Allen never named “Barry Soetoro” as a defendant in the case. Instead, he named “Barry Soetoro aka Barack H. Obama.” The government interposed an Answer for Obama, but not for an individual named “Barry Soetoro.” In fact, this is the government’s only reference to Barry Soetoro:To the extent Allen’s FOIA requests refer to “Barry Soetoro” as a purported individual different from President Obama, such a distinction is immaterial for purposes of
    FOIA’s exhaustion requirement. Even indulging the notion that a “Barry Soetoro” exists
    (and has not been shown by Allen to be deceased), and that Defendants possess records
    concerning such a person, Allen has made no allegation that he has obtained and provided to Defendants the necessary privacy waivers to justify searches for such putative records.
    Thus, even if the government has records of someone named “Barry Soetoro,” Allen has no right to them because he has not provided privacy waivers for Soetoro and alternatively he has not provided evidence that “Barry Soetoro” is deceased.
    What you also fail to realize is that when a FOIA request is made for an individual’s records, there is no necessity or requirements for that individual to object to the request. Unless the subject of the request is deceased or the requester has a valid waiver signed by the subject, the denial of the request is automatic.

    Allen v. Soetoro, et. al.

    Defendants: Barry Soetoro, U.S. Attorney General, Hillary Clinton, Janet Napolitano and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services

    Case Number: 4:2009cv00373

    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-azdce/case_no-4:2009cv00373/case_id-454579/

    Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian National, is not protected under FOIA requests.

  89. avatar
    Mike June 21, 2010 at 7:32 am #

    Dr. David Goliath: Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian National, is not protected under FOIA requests.

    Good thing he doesn’t exist, then.

  90. avatar
    Ellid June 21, 2010 at 7:44 am #

    There’s no such person as “Barry Soetoro” and never was.

    As for Rick Hyatt, I’m amazed that he’s allowed near a computer.

  91. avatar
    Bovril June 21, 2010 at 8:35 am #

    (Before I continue this is a view of the arse Rick, not individuals with Coeliac Disease.)

    The rather “interesting” pathology of Rick.

    1. He states he has severe to chronic Coeliac disease
    2. He states he makes James Bond look pedestrian

    Coeliac (the correct, not North American spelling) disease symptoms

    Recurring bloating, gas, or abdominal pain
    Chronic diarrhea or constipation or both
    Unexplained weight loss or weight gain
    Pale, foul-smelling stool
    Unexplained anemia
    Bone or joint pain
    Behavior changes/depression/irritability
    Vitamin K Deficiency
    Fatigue, weakness or lack of energy
    Delayed growth or onset of puberty
    Failure to thrive (in infants)
    Missed menstrual periods
    Infertility male & female
    Spontaneous miscarriages
    Canker sores inside the mouth
    Tooth discoloration or loss of enamel

    Plus the ever popular

    Dermatitis Herpetiformis (DH) is a skin manifestation of celiac disease characterized by blistering, intensely itchy skin. The rash has a symmetrical distribution and is most frequently found on the face, elbows, knees and buttocks

    Somehow I have difficulty seeing James Bond leaping from tree to tree, shooting foes and scoring regularly at the same time as shuffling, farting, shitting, bloating and bleeding profusely at the slightest knock.

    But maybe that’s just me…?

  92. avatar
    Bovril June 21, 2010 at 8:45 am #

    Actually, based on his website, I’m beginning to think that Rick is actually Rick Mayall of the ’80’s Brit Sitcom “The Young Ones” trying for an NBC remake.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Ones_(TV_series)

    I quote

    He is a hypocritical, tantrum-throwing, attention-seeking Cliff Richard fan, or, as Vyvyan describes him, “The classic example of an only child!” Rick tries to impress the others with his non-existent wit, talent and humour. He insults Neil at every opportunity, fights and bickers with Vyvyan and attempts to impress Mike. He is portrayed as unlikeable and being so self-absorbed that he believes he is the “most popular member of the flat” and even though his housemates hate him he says that they “really are terrific friends”. Vyvyan describes Rick’s name as being spelled “with a silent P”.

    Thoughts…?

  93. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) June 21, 2010 at 8:56 am #

    Rick A Hyatt: Actually, I was recruited when I was about 13, yes. US Govt. Agencies can do a hell of a lot to American citizens, even minors, overseas, than they can get away with in country. My second adopted step-dad was ordered to Sagami, Japan, and that was the first time I was formally approached and recruited for a life-time stint under then Investigator GHW Bush. I really didn’t understand what the hell was going on, was totally Celiac Symptomatic, and everybody in my life kept me that way, too.Has to do with a major inheritance deal – See my website.But at that time, I was given the best possible training for the rest of my life, by recruited Soke Teruo Hayashi, a former Japanese soldier, Ninja, and came to be, famous Karate Master. Please laugh, if you must, but why don’t you check out, as I say, my personal photos at my website. His training saved my life untold countless times, and I am eternally grateful.Go watch a James Bond movie, if you must. My life has been quite pragmatic.And I thank you for your interest, insinuations, and provocative “Mutt & Jeff” comments.

    Sure you did. Are you sure you weren’t apart of the alleged Ronald Reagan underage white house prostitution ring?

  94. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) June 21, 2010 at 8:58 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: The keyword “lying.”

    Is it possible to take out the moderation when you’re quoting other posts? The keyword came from the person I was quoting.

  95. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) June 21, 2010 at 9:00 am #

    Rick A Hyatt: Linda Lingle is no more different that Obama as a “Perfect Governor,” being Caucasian and a woman, and therefore nothing more than a plant for the Hawaiian Monarchialists who would wish to let in the CHICOMS, simply because, as fellow Asians, they would at least be back in charge. They ARE in charge, now, as the Hawaiian Mafia, as I personally can attest to, as my many years of experience in Hawaii has been.I guess I’m the only person in history to have been beaten 3 times for reporting sophisticated drug operations on Maui – Twice, understandably, by the Lahaina Hawaiian Mafia – And once by the Maui Police Department.Sen. Inoyue himself, write me to tell me it would be investigated, but I never heard a word.Go figure?And you think the Hawaii State government is not corrupt enough to let in a foreign operative to be President? Think again…

    So let me get this straight they beat you 3 times for reporting twice? What happened to your ninja skills? I thought your ultra karate master would have taught you how to fend off attacks while you trained at elite sniper school and worked for MI6.

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    katahdin June 21, 2010 at 9:49 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): So let me get this straight they beat you 3 times for reporting twice? What happened to your ninja skills? I thought your ultra karate master would have taught you how to fend off attacks while you trained at elite sniper school and worked for MI6.

    Now, now, be kind. This individual is obviously mentally ill, and he clearly believes all the things he says. He clearly never heard of Barack Obama until the rest of us did. He’s just expanded his delusions to include the president. The best thing anyone can do is to ignore him.

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    Lupin June 21, 2010 at 10:52 am #

    I’ve been on a business trip, but am back now.

    This article from the NY TIMES is must-read material for anyone interested in birthers psychology:

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/the-anosognosics-dilemma-1/?hp

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    Rickey June 21, 2010 at 11:00 am #

    Dr. David Goliath:
    Allen v. Soetoro, et. al.Defendants:Barry Soetoro, U.S. Attorney General, Hillary Clinton, Janet Napolitano and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration ServicesCase Number: 4:2009cv00373http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-azdce/case_no-4:2009cv00373/case_id-454579/Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian National, is not protected under FOIA requests.

    Another Sven fail.

    You linked to an abstract of Allen’s original Complaint.. As you can see from this motion which Allen filed, he actually named “Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama” as defendant. Furthermore, the named defendants are painstakingly listed here:

    http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/allen-v-soetoro-docket/

    And even if Allen had named “Barry Soetoro” as a defendant, where is his proof of service upon Soetoro?

    You have evidence that there is a “Barry Soetoro” who is an Indonesian national and about whom the U.S. government has records? Let’s see your proof..

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    Horus June 21, 2010 at 11:07 am #

    Isn’t all of this irrelevant since Obama did not vote in Hawaii?

    I mean that would be the only reason why this dingo would have any reason for looking at Obama’s records.

    Since Obama has NEVER voted in Hawaii this guy is just making shit up!

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    Horus June 21, 2010 at 11:14 am #

    “Linda Lingle is no more different that Obama as a “Perfect Governor,” being Caucasian”

    Uh Linda Lingle is Asian! She is NOT Caucasian!

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    Rickey June 21, 2010 at 11:22 am #

    katahdin:
    Now, now, be kind. This individual is obviously mentally ill, and he clearly believes all the things he says. He clearly never heard of Barack Obama until the rest of us did. He’s just expanded his delusions to include the president. The best thing anyone can do is to ignore him.

    I agree. Rick Hyatt clearly lives in an alternate universe.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2010 at 12:24 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Is it possible to take out the moderation when you’re quoting other posts? The keyword came from the person I was quoting.

    No, this is not possible. The software doesn’t know what part of the comment is quoted and what part is not. It’s just one big happy blob of text.

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    misha June 21, 2010 at 12:54 pm #

    Horus: “Linda Lingle is no more different that Obama as a “Perfect Governor,” being Caucasian”Uh Linda Lingle is Asian! She is NOT Caucasian!

    Linda Lingle is Jewish, born Linda Cutter in St. Louis, Missouri. She is the only Jewish Republican US governor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Lingle

    However, Israel’s navy commander is Sino-Judeo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Marom

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    James June 21, 2010 at 12:54 pm #

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/06/21/a-one-on-one-personal-interview-with-commander-kerchner-regarding-his-eligibility-challenge-and-lawsuit-against-obama-and-congress/#comments

    Awesome interview with Charles Kerchner. Charles has really investigated the issue and has gone through great great lengths to get to truth.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2010 at 12:58 pm #

    James: Awesome interview with Charles Kerchner. Charles has really investigated the issue and has gone through great great lengths to get to truth.

    If it’s anything like his lawsuit and his newspaper ads, it will show that he has really gone to great lengths to smear the President.

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    misha June 21, 2010 at 1:08 pm #

    Lupin: I’ve been on a business trip, but am back now.This article from the NY TIMES is must-read material for anyone interested in birthers psychology:http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/the-anosognosics-dilemma-1/?hp

    I read it before your recommendation. Dead on.

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    G June 21, 2010 at 3:15 pm #

    Lupin: I’ve been on a business trip, but am back now.This article from the NY TIMES is must-read material for anyone interested in birtherspsychology:http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/the-anosognosics-dilemma-1/?hp

    Thanks for the link to that excellent article, Lupin.

    Well worth quoting from it, as it really seems to sum up some of the problems that the birthers & their conspiracy-minded ilk continuously display:

    If Wheeler was too stupid to be a bank robber, perhaps he was also too stupid to know that he was too stupid to be a bank robber — that is, his stupidity protected him from an awareness of his own stupidity.

    When people are incompetent in the strategies they adopt to achieve success and satisfaction, they suffer a dual burden: Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it. Instead, like Mr. Wheeler, they are left with the erroneous impression they are doing just fine.”

    It became known as the Dunning-Kruger Effect — our incompetence masks our ability to recognize our incompetence.

    So for shorthand, I think we can now refer to the D-K Effect when we see the cognitive dissonance in some of the birther responses we get.

    Other than that, wow…what a bizarre thread we’ve got here.

    Looks like Sven has been dethroned as the king of delusional fiction postings over here and we’ve definitely crossed into Twilight Zone territory.

    Why do I get the creepy feeling that if Rick Hyatt ever moved into any of our neighborhoods that we’d be getting one of those warning notices in the mail with his picture on it and rap sheet and warning safety tips for what to do if you encounter him…

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    Bovril June 21, 2010 at 3:55 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: If it’s anything like his lawsuit and his newspaper ads, it will show that he has really gone to great lengths to smear the President.

    Oooooh yeah,

    Lets see, quick synposis

    Kerchner is a born again Vatellist
    The Repubs and Dems where in pact to clear the way for Obama and McCain
    Main Stream Media were in on it and told to keep it zipped or else
    Bush knows all about the evil Kenyan Obama birth
    “Obama is a con-man, a grifter, a liar, and a usurper ”
    His birth date isn’t his birth date
    He was born in Kenya
    Granma faked the birth registration
    Obama is actually a bastard
    All the multiple trips back and forth to Kenya were via Canada
    Usual “Filed not Accepted” BS is trotted out
    All the Kenyans are in on it but no-one knows as it’s a secret…….
    All the judiciary are in on it in the US
    I’m a cheap b*&^tard so I need a “patriot” ’cause they’ll do the legal work for free.
    Obama is a puppet Manchurian Candidate
    Acorn was in on it with Chinese/Venuzuelan/Ayrab money via “untraceable” pre-paid debit cards…….
    Obama is trying to overturn the term limits to be Prez for Life
    The Obama marriage is a sham to get Obama US citizenship, but not really as he never filled in the paperwork…..(face palm)
    Obama is actually a hypnotizing criminal
    He’s a Nazi and going to take over via a “Reichstag fire” incident
    “I HAVE STANDING”
    Senate and Congress are ALLLLLLLLLL in on it
    Oh, he’s Indonesion as well
    It’s treason, we need to take military action, Lakin is a hero

    Classic line re Puzzi

    “He has a brilliant legal mind and extensive legal experience in citizenship issues. He’s done a terrific job in handling my case given the many legal obstacles set before us.

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    G June 21, 2010 at 4:30 pm #

    James: Awesome interview with Charles Kerchner. Charles has really investigated the issue and has gone through great great lengths to get to truth.

    Well, thank you for the link. I read the full article, even though it comes from that cr*p rag source, the Post & eFail.

    I find it hilarious that you poor deluded folks put all of your hopes into sites like this & WND and into folks such as Orly, Apuzzo, Berg, Kerchener, etc. and just gobble up anything they spew out as gospel.

    I’m sure that Kerchener was trying to be as honest as he could in explaining his POV in that article. However, what is most striking is how he “interprets” the world.

    Sad that he never finds it “odd” that nobody he wrote to on this birther issue replied back to him and that none of the actual Constitutional laywers he wrote to would respond to him either…

    If he or any of you birthers were rational or sane, you would realize that you don’t get responses, because everyone considers your claims to be nothing but rubbish and unsupported bunk at best and definitely not the pleadings of a rational mind.

    But no, this never seems to dawn on you folks, does it? Instead, you come up with ever-expanding conspiratorial theory to try to explain away why everyone else in the world is wrong but you folks.

    LMAO!

    Again, you, Kerchener, etc. – just more confirmation of the D-K Effect in action!

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    Rickey June 21, 2010 at 4:49 pm #

    Awesome interview with Charles Kerchner.Charles has really investigated the issue and has gone through great great lengths to get to truth.

    Ah, Charles Kerchner – only slightly less nutty than Walter Fitzpatrick! Charles Kerchner, who claims that there is a “Cone of Silence” in D.C.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqcSWI6Ppks

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    ellid June 21, 2010 at 5:09 pm #

    That article is spot-on. I remember vividly arguing with a birther who insisted, in the face of literally half a dozen lawyers telling him he was wrong, that American woman lose their citizenship upon marriage to a non-citizen, and that because of that NEITHER of the President’s parents was a citizen. He seemed incapable of understanding that the law he kept quoting had been repealed before Stanley Ann Dunham was even born, let alone gave birth to her first child. He then went on to insist that the spring break at the University of Hawaii lasted from March to NOVEMBER.

    It was like talking to a brick. And the best part? When he was told, for at least the fourth time, that he was wrong, he responded with “It is your responsibility to learn, and my responsibility to teach.”

    It was like something out of Kafka. Really.

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    Rick A Hyatt June 21, 2010 at 5:11 pm #

    AnotherBird:
    I am really interested in how far some birthers will go down the rabbit hole’ in attempt to disprove the fact that Obama is a natural born citizen by his Hawaiian birth. Now this one has to prove that their factually false claim that they made about the Governor of Hawaii.

    From what I’ve read, HI authorities will not and cannot confirm which hospital he was supposed to have been born at. Further, the serial number on that COLB does not jive with the other births of that day, anyway. The one on the internet is a proven forgery, to say the least, not even having a proper seal. There’s another UTube video showing Gov. Linda Lingle being a deliberate liar on the issue, and from her face, you can tell. I lived in HI for several decades, so know the nature of their corrupt government in ways you wouldn’t believe, obviously.
    If you take the word of HI authorities on anything at all, you’re very sadly misinformed.

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    JoZeppy June 21, 2010 at 5:35 pm #

    Rick A Hyatt: If you take the word of HI authorities on anything at all, you’re very sadly misinformed.

    Yes…It makes much more sense to take the word of a bunch of internet nutters who keep repeating long disproven birther claims.

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    Rickey June 21, 2010 at 5:44 pm #

    Bovril:
    Classic line re Puzzi“He has a brilliant legal mind and extensive legal experience in citizenship issues. He’s done a terrific job in handling my case given the many legal obstacles set before us.”

    Kerchner’s circular reasoning:

    1. I have a constitutional case.
    2. I have called a bunch of constitutional lawyers, but they won’t return my calls.
    3. Mario Apuzzo took my call and took my case.
    4. Ergo, Mario Apuzzo is a constitutional lawyer.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2010 at 6:00 pm #

    Rick A Hyatt: From what I’ve read, HI authorities will not and cannot confirm which hospital he was supposed to have been born at. Further, the serial number on that COLB does not jive with the other births of that day, anyway. The one on the internet is a proven forgery, to say the least, not even having a proper seal. There’s another UTube video showing Gov. Linda Lingle being a deliberate liar on the issue, and from her face, you can tell. I lived in HI for several decades, so know the nature of their corrupt government in ways you wouldn’t believe, obviously.

    1) Hospital: In January of 2009 Kapi’olani hospital held its 100th Anniversary celebration, at which Hawaii Congressman Neil Abercrombie read aloud a congratulatory letter from Barack Obama that mentioned that he was born there. The Hospital published a copy of the letter in their Centennial brochure.

    2) Serial number: The number is a few off from what one expect if office procedures were followed 100% as we speculate they should have. The Ron Polarick claim that the number was far off was retracted by Polarik after his math error was pointed out here.

    3) Seal: It is easy to see if you look closely that the Internet COLB has a seal, and some simple photo enhancement software brings it out. The seal is much more evident from the back where FactCheck.org photographed it.

    4) Lingle: Lingle did get some details wrong when a question was sprung at her on a Radio interview about what Dr. Fukino said. I wouldn’t call it a “lie” since what she messed up was a matter of public information. Since Lingle was in attendance at that Kapi’olani awards dinner, that could be where she got the fact that Obama was born there, rather than from Fukino’s statement.

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    Kevin Bellas June 21, 2010 at 6:15 pm #

    Walt and Kerchner both drink from the same swamp pool of insanity.

    Kerchner was a big player in the beginning over at Ed Hale’s funny farm. When the big split happen with Ed and MommaE, Kerchner moved over to MommaE’s CountryFirst.

    Here’s some the posting he did over there and tell me the man is a kook.

    http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=105

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    Expelliarmus June 21, 2010 at 6:15 pm #

    Rick A Hyatt:
    From what I’ve read, HI authorities will not and cannot confirm which hospital he was supposed to have been born at.

    What does it matter? The only legally significant fact is that he was born within the territorial limits of the United States. Hawaii officials have confirmed that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii. The specifics (place, hour, etc.) are irrelevant to the issue of eligibility.

    Further, the serial number on that COLB does not jive with the other births of that day, anyway.

    Not true — it is very close in sequence to other birth certificates issued at about the same time. There is no particular reason to expect that birth certificate numbering sequence would follow birth order exactly, since it is equally reasonable to assume that some sort of batch processing was involved, and numbering may have been random within the batches

    The one on the internet is a proven forgery, to say the least, not even having a proper seal.

    Not true. There is a scan on the internet the seal is on the reverse side, easy to make out when enhancing the photo using ordinary imaging software.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2010 at 6:24 pm #

    Lupin: This article from the NY TIMES is must-read material for anyone interested in birthers psychology:

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/the-anosognosics-dilemma-1/?hp

    That was a great article. I suppose that everyone suffers from this in innumerable areas of their life. The difference between me and someone like MichaelN is that I will seriously consider opposing views, even when am sure that I’m right because one of the things I do know is that I sometimes make mistakes and that I don’t know everything.

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    Black Lion June 21, 2010 at 6:42 pm #

    Reading the load of fiction Kerchner was pushing over at the Post and Fail was humorous….I mean he is seriously delusional, just like our buddy James. I mean you have to wonder if he actually believes some of what he says….Below are some of the classic excerpts from the article…

    “CDR. KERCHNER: Yes, and come back to college and start a new life. This is the scenario which fits the most facts. Now what could have happened, in my opinion, is that she returned from Canada (I think she went to Kenya and back via Canada because it was a British commonwealth country at the time; it was easy to get to Kenya from Canada and vice versa, because she would have been traveling as the wife of a British subject), and coming back, she just had to take the birth certificate from the Mombasa Hospital to the embassy over there in Kenya and say, “My baby was born here and I want to come home with my baby,” and they would have stamped it as a child of an American citizen, and she returned to Canada and crossed the border into the United States. Then she could have told her mother, “Mom, I couldn’t leave the baby there,” and Grandma says, “What are we going to do? We have to get this baby U.S. citizenship.”

    So she could have then filed the mail-in form using the date that she found out about the baby’s return to the U.S. as the date of birth. She could have filed it in the Hawaii Health Department with a mail-in form. However, it appears they didn’t in the end finally accept it. Did you notice that on the form, it says “Filed” but not “Accepted”?

    MRS. RONDEAU: Yes, I did. So would that have meant that it was incomplete? Could the Health Department have received it and not known what to do with it?

    CDR. KERCHNER: They could have received it in the mail or the grandmother could have dropped it off at their office, but when the processors several days later looked at it, they said, “Well, we need more evidence here than just the signature of one relative.” Maybe Grandma Dunham forged the daughter’s signature, too, because I don’t think Stanley Ann was in Hawaii then. There is no record of her being there at that time. During the period of time when he was allegedly born there, there is no record of any hospital or doctor having any records on the baby or Stanley Ann being there. Tim Adams, the new fellow who just came forward, confirms that. So she could have “filed” it, and they probably sent a request back to Grandma Dunham as the “filer” a couple of weeks later saying that they needed to have a midwife’s statement or the name of a paramedic who was called to the scene, or a neighbor who might have witnessed that there was a lot of noise and commotion there “at home” during the birthing process, because a 17- or 18-year-old-girl giving birth the first time is not an easy event. It would seem if somebody had known that something was going on, they would have called paramedics or someone, or driven her to the hospital. To just say that he was born at home with no witnesses is not plausible.

    CDR. KERCHNER: I believe the reason she didn’t herself is that she was not in Hawaii in August 1961. I believe Grandma Dunham falsely and illegally filed the registration form declaring Obama was born at home with no independent witnesses. She may have likely also forged her daughter’s signature on the birth registration form. Grandma Dunham did this for the purpose of illegally getting her new grandson U.S. Citizenship. Birth registration fraud was easy given Hawaii’s lax laws in 1961. And, the simple filing of the birth registration triggered those birth announcements, because the Health Department Statistics Office gave that list out every week. So the simple filing of the birth registration, fraudulent or otherwise, got the name on the list for publication in the newspapers.

    CDR. KERCHNER: Yes, even if it was never accepted in the end, it was already published in the paper within days of the birth if any filings were listed there. They didn’t investigate immediately. There was a process it had to go through. But the simple filing of the registration of birth triggered the state to place the child’s name of the list of births registered with the state that week.

    CDR. KERCHNER: I believe maternal instincts kicked in. Did you read the statements of the woman who befriended her in Seattle? Apparently she didn’t even know how to diaper the baby properly and things like that. She needed training. So I think she came directly back from Kenya via Canada or from Kenya directly to Seattle with a baby who was three or four weeks old at that point since I believe Obama’s real birth date was not in August, but likely earlier, possibly July, and she was just learning how to take care of him.

    CDR. KERCHNER: Yes there are many statements from Kenya that Obama II was born there. There are at least four Kenyan politicians who have stated that he was born there and that he’s not a native American. One statement was made on March 25, 2010 said directly that Obama the American President was born in Kenya. Then on April 14, another said Obama should “repatriate” himself to Kenya.

    MRS. RONDEAU: How did you meet Attorney Apuzzo?

    CDR. KERCHNER: Late in December 2008 and early January 2009, I was looking for an attorney to file a case to sue Congress in addition to Obama. I thought that was the key: to sue the Congress for their unconstitutional activities, and in case the Congress didn’t object to Obama’s election and investigate (and of course, they didn’t), I wanted an attorney be ready to sue in the period of time after the joint session would have unconstitutionally confirmed him but before he was sworn in.

    I had contacted several national constitutional attorneys whose names you would recognize but for the moment I won’t mention. I had also contacted several political action-type foundations such as The Heritage Foundation, American Conservative Union, and Judicial Watch and didn’t get any responses. I had contacted all the other well known attorneys who had or were filing suits, and they were either too busy with their own suits or for whatever reasons, didn’t want to take my suit. I contacted local attorneys. A key point though was that I was looking for a pro bono attorney because I wanted a patriot to take this case, not a person just doing it for the money. I was willing to pay for all the court costs and out of pocket expenses for the proposed lawsuit.

    I had gone down my list and I was just about at the end of my rope in finding an attorney when somebody said, “Did you see that Attorney Apuzzo is blogging on Orly Taitz’s site? Did you ever try to contact him?” and I said, “No, I did see a couple of his comments, but I never saw any way that I could contact him.” So the person offered to get me his address and phone number. I then called Atty. Apuzzo that same day and told him what I wanted to do, that I was looking for a patriot to do it pro bono and file the suit before Obama was sworn in. This occurred on the afternoon or evening of Friday, January 16, and the inauguration was scheduled for noon, Tuesday, January 20th, 2009. So it was a very short period of time left, and he said he’d have to think about it and discuss it with his wife because it was a very controversial and dangerous thing to bring a suit like this given all the threats that were being thrown around on the internet and elsewhere toward the people who were standing up to ask these questions about Obama. So he wanted 24 hours to think about it.

    The next day I called him back, and he decided to take the case. I faxed to him copies of all my letters to Congress and the Executive branch and others as evidence of who I had contacted and from whom I had not received any answer or response (not even a standardized form letter or acknowledgment of my correspondence to them) about investigating the constitutional eligibility of Obama. We worked together for the next three days via telephone and email on putting it together, and we filed it at 2:50 a.m. on Inauguration Day, January 20th, 2009. I wanted the case filed before Obama was sworn in so that I was suing the president-elect, who was still a civilian and not yet been vested with the office, powers and protection of the presidency. So my suit was filed against the president-elect, who had been confirmed by Congress, and the Congress itself, and several other named defendants who were complicit in the unconstitutional and illegal acts in confirming Obama. The political process was over at the point in time I sued. The rest is history. That’s how I reached Attorney Apuzzo.

    And I am very glad that I found Attorney Apuzzo. He has a brilliant legal mind and extensive legal experience in citizenship issues. He’s done a terrific job in handling my case given the many legal obstacles set before us.”

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2010 at 6:46 pm #

    Black Lion (quoting Kerchner) So she could have then filed the mail-in form

    What “mail-in form?” Has anyone ever seen such a “mail-in form” or any historical reference to the existence of a “mail-in form?”

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    James June 21, 2010 at 7:12 pm #

    C-SPAN Edits Out Obama Birth Certificate Exchange from WH Press Briefing Video & Transcript 2/2 ApologiaTV

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnGOok-Q-CA

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    James June 21, 2010 at 7:19 pm #

    White House won’t acknowledge Kapoloni Letter:

    From July 13, 2009

    MR. GIBBS: All right, all right, easy on the first two rows. Les, you can’t sit in the second row and complain about all the questions in the second row. You got to go like way back and — I’m kidding, go ahead.
    Q I appreciate it. While you and the President were overseas on July the 7th, there was on the Internet a copy of a letter on White House letterhead dated January the 24th, 2009, with the signature “Barack Obama,” which stated “The place of my birth was Honolulu’s Kapi’olani Medical Center.” And my question is, can you verify this letter? Or if not, would you tell us which Hawaiian hospital he was born in, since Kapi’olani, which used to publicize this, now refuses to confirm?
    MR. GIBBS: Goodness gracious. I’m going to be, like, in year four describing where it is the President was born. I don’t have the letter at my fingertips, obviously, and I don’t know the name of the exact hospital.
    Q Can you check on this?
    MR. GIBBS: I will seek to interview whoever brought the President into this world. But can we just — I want to do this once and for all, Lester. Let’s just do this once and for all. You can go on this — I hope you’ll take the time not just to Google “President, January 24, Hawaii hospital, birth” and come up with this letter, but go on the Internet and get the birth certificate, Lester, and put —
    Q It’s not a birth certificate.
    MR. GIBBS: I know. (Laughter.) Just a document from the state of Hawaii denoting the fact that the President was indeed born in the state of Hawaii.
    Q But it doesn’t say where he was born or who the doctor was.
    MR. GIBBS: You know, Lester, I — I want to stay on this for a second, Lester, I want to stay on this for a second, because you’re a smart man, right?
    Q Hypothetical. (Laughter.)
    MR. GIBBS: All right, all right, settle down in here. Only I get to make jokes like that.
    No, Lester, let’s finish this one. Do all of your listeners and the listeners throughout this country the service to which any journalist owes those listeners, and that is the pursuit of the noble truth. And the noble truth is that the President was born in Hawaii, a state of the United States of America. And all of this incredible back-and-forth — I get e-mails today from people who inexplicably can figure out very easily the White House e-mail address, and want proof of where the President was born.
    Lester, the next time you ask me a question I’m going to ask you what reporting you’ve done to demonstrate to your listeners the truth, the certificate, the state, so that they can look to you for that momentous search for the truth, and you can wipe away all the dark clouds and provide them with the knowing clarity that comes with that certainty.

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    James June 21, 2010 at 7:22 pm #

    The online COLB doesn’t have a seal. Although software can ALTER the COLB to make the seal appear, any alterations will invalidate the COLB. And since we have never seen the actual physical COLB (A video of someone holding up the original copy would be nice.), modifications to the online image of the COLB will invalidate it. The seal is not self-evident.

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    Kevin Bellas June 21, 2010 at 7:22 pm #

    Here’s thread from CountryFirst that give a clue to Kerchner/Apuzzo Filing. Warning don’t read while drinking or eating for you may gag at some of the posts.

    http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=144&t=2231

    As you can see CountryFirst is pretty much a ghost town. It doen to 3 or 4 posts per month.

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    James June 21, 2010 at 7:25 pm #

    Linda Lingle is clearly lying and in collusion with Dr. Fukino to cover up for Obama. If Obama birth at Kapaloni Medical Center is as FACT as as Lingle leads us to believe, this BLATANT FACT apparently hasn’t reached Robert Gibbs yet.

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    BatGuano June 21, 2010 at 7:32 pm #

    James: ….. (A video of someone holding up the original copy would be nice.)

    what was wrong with the factcheck photos ???

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    SFJeff June 21, 2010 at 7:53 pm #

    “White House won’t acknowledge Kapoloni Letter”

    I liked Gibbs answer. Especially the last part.

  128. avatar
    Rickey June 21, 2010 at 8:05 pm #

    James:The online COLB doesn’t have a seal.Although software can ALTER the COLB to make the seal appear, any alterations will invalidate the COLB.And since we have never seen the actual physical COLB (A video of someone holding up the original copy would be nice.), modifications to the online image of the COLB will invalidate it.The seal is not self-evident.>/i>

    Poor James.

    For the umpteenth time, altering A SCAN OR PHOTOGRAPH of a document doesn’t alter the document itself.

    As for the seal, it is plainly evident in this online image:

    http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg

  129. avatar
    richCares June 21, 2010 at 8:07 pm #

    James is not aware tha Obama is the president, that the birther issue has failed, Each and every birther court issue has failed, James supports a failing position. It’s over James, your silly comments mean nothing. The birther issue is over. If you want Obama gone then don’t vote for him in 2012. You such a silly goose.

  130. avatar
    racosta June 21, 2010 at 8:29 pm #

    This is amazing, birtherstan is still all excited about the Tim Adams Proof. So a minor Hawaiian election clerk (a temp) had access to records for Obama who at the time was registered as a voter and candidate in Chicago. While Timmy was electing, Obama was not registered in Hawaii, so explain dear birther, how is that. What’s Timmy, a Hawaii clerk, doing checking election records of someone not voting in Hawaii. Poor James does not even know how silly this is. Only in birtherstan does a lowly clerk have these amazing abilities.

  131. avatar
    Steve June 21, 2010 at 8:32 pm #

    James: White House won’t acknowledge Kapoloni Letter:From July 13, 2009MR. GIBBS: All right, all right, easy on the first two rows. Les, you can’t sit in the second row and complain about all the questions in the second row. You got to go like way back and — I’m kidding, go ahead.Q I appreciate it. While you and the President were overseas on July the 7th, there was on the Internet a copy of a letter on White House letterhead dated January the 24th, 2009, with the signature “Barack Obama,” which stated “The place of my birth was Honolulu’s Kapi’olani Medical Center.” And my question is, can you verify this letter? Or if not, would you tell us which Hawaiian hospital he was born in, since Kapi’olani, which used to publicize this, now refuses to confirm?MR. GIBBS: Goodness gracious. I’m going to be, like, in year four describing where it is the President was born. I don’t have the letter at my fingertips, obviously, and I don’t know the name of the exact hospital.Q Can you check on this?MR. GIBBS: I will seek to interview whoever brought the President into this world. But can we just — I want to do this once and for all, Lester. Let’s just do this once and for all. You can go on this — I hope you’ll take the time not just to Google “President, January 24, Hawaii hospital, birth” and come up with this letter, but go on the Internet and get the birth certificate, Lester, and put –Q It’s not a birth certificate.MR. GIBBS: I know. (Laughter.) Just a document from the state of Hawaii denoting the fact that the President was indeed born in the state of Hawaii.Q But it doesn’t say where he was born or who the doctor was.MR. GIBBS: You know, Lester, I — I want to stay on this for a second, Lester, I want to stay on this for a second, because you’re a smart man, right?Q Hypothetical. (Laughter.)MR. GIBBS: All right, all right, settle down in here. Only I get to make jokes like that.No, Lester, let’s finish this one. Do all of your listeners and the listeners throughout this country the service to which any journalist owes those listeners, and that is the pursuit of the noble truth. And the noble truth is that the President was born in Hawaii, a state of the United States of America. And all of this incredible back-and-forth — I get e-mails today from people who inexplicably can figure out very easily the White House e-mail address, and want proof of where the President was born.Lester, the next time you ask me a question I’m going to ask you what reporting you’ve done to demonstrate to your listeners the truth, the certificate, the state, so that they can look to you for that momentous search for the truth, and you can wipe away all the dark clouds and provide them with the knowing clarity that comes with that certainty.

    Mr. Gibbs is a better man than I am. I’m not sure I could restrain myself from cursing out Lester and calling him a moron if I were in his shoes.

  132. avatar
    James June 21, 2010 at 8:36 pm #

    OBAMA CONFESSES HIS BIRTH PLACE IS KENYA AND IS NOT AMERICAN BORN
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVwtfEXzb4A

    Obama says he is from Kenya. I thought Obama was from Hawaii and Chicago and is an American.

  133. avatar
    James June 21, 2010 at 8:42 pm #

    OBAMA CONFESSES HIS BIRTH PLACE IS KENYA AND IS NOT AMERICAN BORN
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVwtfEXzb4A

    It is just me or does this seem to coorborate the Kenyan Assembly statement on 03/25/2010:

    “If America was living in a situation where they feared
    ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man
    born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of
    America? It is because they did away with exclusion.”

  134. avatar
    misha June 21, 2010 at 8:49 pm #

    James: OBAMA CONFESSES HIS BIRTH PLACE IS KENYA AND IS NOT AMERICAN BORNhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVwtfEXzb4AObama says he is from Kenya. I thought Obama was from Hawaii and Chicago and is an American.

    He’s talking about his father, who had the same name.

  135. avatar
    BatGuano June 21, 2010 at 8:51 pm #

    GREAT VIDDY JIMMY !!!!

    the ” misleading dishonest practices ” was a nice added touch. great to see the birthers are keeping consistent with the credibility of their evidence. might want to work on some fresh stuff though.

  136. avatar
    James June 21, 2010 at 8:57 pm #

    I especially like the following FactCheck Photo: http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_4.jpg

    I’m still trying to determine what the impurity found the top left center is. I have been told and shown that it is trace evidence of some type copying process that was done.

  137. avatar
    misha June 21, 2010 at 9:01 pm #

    James: I’m still trying to determine what the impurity found the top left center is. I have been told and shown that it is trace evidence of some type copying process that was done.

    Who told you? Because I have made a living as a photographer, and you do not know what you are talking about.

  138. avatar
    Whatever4 June 21, 2010 at 9:04 pm #

    ellid: That article is spot-on. I remember vividly arguing with a birther who insisted, in the face of literally half a dozen lawyers telling him he was wrong, that American woman lose their citizenship upon marriage to a non-citizen, and that because of that NEITHER of the President’s parents was a citizen. He seemed incapable of understanding that the law he kept quoting had been repealed before Stanley Ann Dunham was even born, let alone gave birth to her first child. He then went on to insist that the spring break at the University of Hawaii lasted from March to NOVEMBER.It was like talking to a brick. And the best part? When he was told, for at least the fourth time, that he was wrong, he responded with “It is your responsibility to learn, and my responsibility to teach.”It was like something out of Kafka. Really.

    My new favorite quote: “No rational argument will have a rational effect on a man who does not want to adopt a rational attitude.” — Karl Popper

  139. avatar
    misha June 21, 2010 at 9:09 pm #

    Whatever4: My new favorite quote: “No rational argument will have a rational effect on a man who does not want to adopt a rational attitude.” — Karl Popper

    As my father, alav hashalom, would say “if you argue with a fool, make sure you are not doing the same thing.”

  140. avatar
    JoZeppy June 21, 2010 at 9:12 pm #

    James: OBAMA CONFESSES HIS BIRTH PLACE IS KENYA AND IS NOT AMERICAN BORNhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVwtfEXzb4AObama says he is from Kenya. I thought Obama was from Hawaii and Chicago and is an American.

    Good God, that has to be one of the worst jobs clipping random sound bites together. If anyone actually buys this, I have a bridge to sell you.

  141. avatar
    misha June 21, 2010 at 9:17 pm #

    JoZeppy: Good God, that has to be one of the worst jobs clipping random sound bites together. If anyone actually buys this, I have a bridge to sell you.

    First, he was talking about his father, “son” was edited out, and whoever did that is an amateur editor. Better go past Adobe Premier Elements. Of course, Apple’s Final Cut Pro is probably too much for whoever did that.

  142. avatar
    JoZeppy June 21, 2010 at 9:19 pm #

    James: OBAMA CONFESSES HIS BIRTH PLACE IS KENYA AND IS NOT AMERICAN BORNhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVwtfEXzb4AObama says he is from Kenya. I thought Obama was from Hawaii and Chicago and is an American.

    Care to see the real video? The part that is so badly butchered is at 5 minutes

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/video/The-President-Talks-with-Students-in-Turkey

  143. avatar
    JoZeppy June 21, 2010 at 9:24 pm #

    And the line “from Kenya, from Africa” is at 8:30…but it cuts of the part just before it where he says, “that’s how my father, who was..”

  144. avatar
    misha June 21, 2010 at 9:31 pm #

    JoZeppy: And the line “from Kenya, from Africa” is at 8:30…but it cuts of the part just before it where he says, “that’s how my father, who was..”

    Good heavens, I was a better editor while still in college. It was posted on YouTube by “megadarwin135,” who should go back to school.

    And learn Apple Final Cut Pro.

  145. avatar
    SluggoJD June 21, 2010 at 9:34 pm #

    JoZeppy:
    Care to see the real video?The part that is so badly butchered is at 5 minuteshttp://www.whitehouse.gov/video/The-President-Talks-with-Students-in-Turkey

    Thanks for posting this!

    Poor James, poor Lucas, poor nutcases, they just can’t get away with anything dishonest these days.

  146. avatar
    misha June 21, 2010 at 9:41 pm #

    SluggoJD: Thanks for posting this!Poor James, poor Lucas, poor nutcases, they just can’t get away with anything dishonest these days.

    Yeah, what’s a poor criminal to do? Goodness, they’re just trying to make a point.

    Just like JD Hayworth:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7cnuVph8aI&playnext_from=TL&videos=cY-XZO6dU3U

  147. avatar
    James June 21, 2010 at 9:48 pm #

    Sorry, my apoligies. It was a poor edit. No good.

  148. avatar
    misha June 21, 2010 at 9:54 pm #

    James: Sorry, my apoligies. It was a poor edit. No good.

    Ain’t that a shame? And “megadarwin135” should go back to school, and then be hung out to dry.

  149. avatar
    Expelliarmus June 21, 2010 at 10:02 pm #

    James: The online COLB doesn’t have a seal.

    There is no “online” COLB. There are scans and digital photographs of the COLB posted online. The technology does not exist to allow the COLB itself to be put online.

    Although software can ALTER the COLB to make the seal appear, any alterations will invalidate the COLB.

    Alterations to pictures (scans & photos) have no bearing on the validity of the paper document.

    And since we have never seen the actual physical COLB (A video of someone holding up the original copy would be nice.),

    There are 9 photos of the physical document posted at Factcheck.org — and everybody knows that, obviously.

    modifications to the online image of the COLB will invalidate it. The seal is not self-evident.

    This simply is an example of your anosognosia. Obviously, modifications to the image have no bearing on the underlying document — whether or not some person has seen the original document has no bearing. (I’ve visited and seen the Eiffel Tower. I have pictures of the Eiffel Tower. If I alter my digital pictures, it won’t change the Eiffel Tower. Even if you have never seen the Eiffel Tower, my alterations to my photos won’t change the Eiffel Tower.)

    But the main point is this: The COLB itself is merely a document issued by the Department of Health in Hawaii attesting to the time and place of Obama’s birth. The only thing relevant to the issue of his qualifications to be President is the fact that he was born in Hawaii.. The DOH itself has confirmed, in at least 3 separate statements, that Obama was in fact born in Hawaii. Therefore, the COLB itself is irrelevant, because we all have separate and independent confirmation of the underlying facts from the same agency that issued that COLB and is empowered to issue future COLB’s.

  150. avatar
    misha June 21, 2010 at 10:08 pm #

    James: Linda Lingle is clearly lying and in collusion with Dr. Fukino to cover up for Obama. If Obama birth at Kapaloni Medical Center is as FACT as as Lingle leads us to believe, this BLATANT FACT apparently hasn’t reached Robert Gibbs yet.

    I’ll try this one more time: Linda Lingle is Jewish. She is an ardent Zionist, and was determined to have McCain elected, because she felt McCain and Palin would be better for Israel than Obama.

    If she could have found anything, the GOP would have used it with glee. And believe me, she tried to find dirt.

    You are waaay off.

  151. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2010 at 10:12 pm #

    James: I’m still trying to determine what the impurity found the top left center is. I have been told and shown that it is trace evidence of some type copying process that was done.

    Can you be more specific about the location of this “impurity?”

  152. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2010 at 10:18 pm #

    James: It is just me or does this seem to coorborate the Kenyan Assembly statement on 03/25/2010[?]”

    Yes, they sound similar, and this may well have been the inspiration for the folks who faked the video. I know, James, that after a closer look you commented that you can see the poor editing job. But let me ask you this: If Barack Obama was really born in Kenya, why do those who promote this idea have to fabricate evidence: fake forensic analysis, forged birth certificates, edited grandmother tapes and, stolen image analyst credentials (TechDude)? I have a web site full of this stuff. Why is is that after being lied to over and over and over, the birthers keep coming back for more. If I had been fooled like that, I would be angry.

  153. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2010 at 10:24 pm #

    James: The online COLB doesn’t have a seal. Although software can ALTER the COLB to make the seal appear, any alterations will invalidate the COLB.

    You can also see the seal if you squint. Does squinting invalidate the SEAL too?

  154. avatar
    SluggoJD June 21, 2010 at 10:24 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Yes, they sound similar, and this maywell have been the inspiration for the folks who faked the video. I know, James, that after a closer look you commented that you can see the poor editing job. But let me ask you this: If Barack Obama was really born in Kenya, why do those who promote this idea have to fabricate evidence: fake forensic analysis, forged birth certificates, edited grandmother tapes and, stolen image analyst credentials (TechDude)? I have a web site full of this stuff. Why is is that after being lied to over and over and over, the birthers keep coming back for more. If I had been fooled like that, I would be angry.

    James, better yet…and I’m going to pretend for a moment that you are merely a pawn in this cruel world of deception…

    Why is it, after you have been repeatedly lied to, with phony heroes, phony evidence, etc., why do you still act the way you do?

  155. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2010 at 10:25 pm #

    James: White House won’t acknowledge Kapoloni Letter

    That’s OK. As long as the hospital acknowledges it, I’m satisfied.

  156. avatar
    James June 21, 2010 at 10:28 pm #

    http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_4.jpg

    You can see the impurity in the top left center of the COLB. According to Polarik this is trace evidence of where the made the copy using an adhesive process. The green fibers of the paper apparently stuck to the adhesive and left trace evidence.

  157. avatar
    James June 21, 2010 at 10:30 pm #

    So Doc are you sure the hospital didn’t fabricate the letter based a pubilicity fact to bloster its reputation and the potential for charity. The White House won’t acknowledge Obama wrote the letter. It means nothing.

  158. avatar
    Ellid June 21, 2010 at 10:40 pm #

    James –

    Polarik was discredited almost two years ago. Why are you even paying attention to him?

    Also, the White House doesn’t need to “acknowledge” the letter the President sent to Kapiolani Medical Center

  159. avatar
    Ellid June 21, 2010 at 10:40 pm #

    James –

    Polarik was discredited almost two years ago. Why are you even paying attention to him?

    Also, the White House doesn’t need to “acknowledge” the letter the President sent to Kapiolani Medical Center SINCE IT WAS ON WHITE HOUSE LETTERHEAD AND SIGNED BY THE PRESIDENT.

  160. avatar
    misha June 21, 2010 at 10:43 pm #

    James: The green fibers of the paper apparently stuck to the adhesive and left trace evidence.

    That’s a good point, but the green fibers are from here.

  161. avatar
    James June 21, 2010 at 10:47 pm #

    http://networkedblogs.com/54bdc

    I wonder what this means?

    When did Grandma Obama take care of Obama…maybe when he was a baby…perhaps she witnessed his birth….

  162. avatar
    SluggoJD June 21, 2010 at 10:53 pm #

    misha:
    That’s a good point, butthe green fibers are from here.

    LOLOL, yummy!

  163. avatar
    James June 21, 2010 at 10:54 pm #

    ttt

  164. avatar
    misha June 21, 2010 at 10:54 pm #

    SluggoJD: LOLOL, yummy!

    You can see the green sparkles in the meat.

  165. avatar
    James June 21, 2010 at 10:57 pm #

    Obama’s Step-Grandmother … Momma Sarah in Kenya say … “even the US President passed through my hands”

    Momma Sarah has said many times she was there in the hospital in Mombasa Kenya when Obama II was born and that she held him in her hands and arms. Now with the above recent printed quote in the Daily Nation newspaper in Kenya of her words May 2010 reinforce that again.

    The facts and truth are hard to hide forever, no matter how much time and how many lawyers that Obama hires.

    See screen shot and the highlighted relevant paragraph.

    When will the major media in the USA send investigative reporters to interview Momma Sarah and the 1/2 siblings and older living relatives of Obama II in Kenya as to what they know.

    CDR Kerchner
    Pennsylvania
    http://www.protectourliberty.org
    http://puzo1.blogspot.com

  166. avatar
    G June 21, 2010 at 10:57 pm #

    SluggoJD: James, better yet…and I’m going to pretend for a moment that you are merely a pawn in this cruel world of deception…

    Why is it, after you have been repeatedly lied to, with phony heroes, phony evidence, etc., why do you still act the way you do?

    As always, you are amazingly generous, Dr. C.

    I find it extremely difficult to believe that someone can continue to be merely a pawn after this much exposure to the issue and more importantly, clear and repeated exposure of their sources as fraudulent.

    For someone to continue to stand by Polarik, Adams, and glibly pass along this hack-job fake tape and then simply shrug *oops*…

    I’m sorry, but there is no simple gullible innocence there. James is more than a mere buffoon pawn – he’s an intentional and willing participant and spreader of misinformation and deliberate falsehoods.

    If this was an actual criminal act & trial, he and those like him would be charged and found guilty of complicity.

  167. avatar
    bob June 21, 2010 at 11:03 pm #

    James: Why would Obama forge a COLB when the State of Hawaii says Obama was born in Hawaii?

  168. avatar
    katahdin June 21, 2010 at 11:04 pm #

    ellid: That article is spot-on. I remember vividly arguing with a birther who insisted, in the face of literally half a dozen lawyers telling him he was wrong, that American woman lose their citizenship upon marriage to a non-citizen, and that because of that NEITHER of the President’s parents was a citizen. He seemed incapable of understanding that the law he kept quoting had been repealed before Stanley Ann Dunham was even born, let alone gave birth to her first child. He then went on to insist that the spring break at the University of Hawaii lasted from March to NOVEMBER.It was like talking to a brick. And the best part? When he was told, for at least the fourth time, that he was wrong, he responded with “It is your responsibility to learn, and my responsibility to teach.”It was like something out of Kafka. Really.

    Borderraven?

  169. avatar
    James June 21, 2010 at 11:08 pm #

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5qxPKQJh-g&feature=autofb
    Congress: Arrest Mr. Obama

  170. avatar
    SluggoJD June 21, 2010 at 11:10 pm #

    bob: James: Why would Obama forge a COLB when the State of Hawaii says Obama was born in Hawaii?

    Well that is the $64,000 question, isn’t it.

  171. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2010 at 11:12 pm #

    James: Momma Sarah has said many times she was there in the hospital in Mombasa Kenya when Obama II was born and that she held him in her hands and arms.

    Where and when was this said? Note that she did indeed hold Obama in her arms when he came to visit as an adult. But as a baby? You didn’t see this on an edited YouTube video, did you?

  172. avatar
    SluggoJD June 21, 2010 at 11:13 pm #

    G:
    As always, you are amazingly generous, Dr. C.I find it extremely difficult to believe that someone can continue to be merely a pawn after this much exposure to the issue and more importantly, clear and repeated exposure of their sources as fraudulent.For someone to continue to stand by Polarik, Adams, and glibly pass along this hack-job fake tape and then simply shrug *oops*…I’m sorry, but there is no simple gullible innocence there.James is more than a mere buffoon pawn – he’s an intentional and willing participant and spreader of misinformation and deliberate falsehoods.If this was an actual criminal act & trial, he and those like him would be charged and found guilty of complicity.

    I guess I’m generous too! lol

    G, all soft stroking aside, of course James is intentionally spreading misinformation. In my world, that’s automatic exile. But this is not my site, and I have to admit, there is some value in letting someone sit in a corner all the time, with a dunce cap on his head.

  173. avatar
    BatGuano June 21, 2010 at 11:14 pm #

    jimmy, the mental masochist !!!!!!!!!

  174. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2010 at 11:19 pm #

    James: So Doc are you sure the hospital didn’t fabricate the letter based a pubilicity fact to bloster its reputation and the potential for charity.

    Normal people don’t do stuff like that. And of course the down side of being caught in such a lie would outweigh any benefit. When Gibbs was asked months after the letter was sent, he said he didn’t know. No story. I think your trust and lack of mistrust is misplaced.

  175. avatar
    James June 21, 2010 at 11:19 pm #

    Well Doc, Mama Obama said that she witnessed Obama’s birth in Kenya. She may have held him then and took care of him for a few days while Stanley Ann recovered. Of course, during this interview it appears that other family members realized what she had said and quickly tried to get Mama Obama to change her story.

  176. avatar
    G June 21, 2010 at 11:20 pm #

    misha:
    That’s a good point, butthe green fibers are from here.

    Now THAT was hilarious! Thanks Misha! I spent way to much time at that site, not just laughing at the Unicorn Meat, but also some of the other greats, like the Tribbles breakfast cereal, “My First Bacon”, and the 2001 Obelisk action figure.

    LMAO!

  177. avatar
    misha June 21, 2010 at 11:20 pm #

    James: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5qxPKQJh-g&feature=autofbCongress: Arrest Mr. Obama

    “Reverend Dr.” Manning has a felony record as long as his arm. His doctorate is from his own, unaccredited basement school.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_David_Manning

  178. avatar
    James June 21, 2010 at 11:21 pm #

    Linda Lingle:

  179. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2010 at 11:23 pm #

    James: Of course, during this interview it appears that other family members realized what she had said and quickly tried to get Mama Obama to change her story.

    That’s the spin the pseudonymed Kweli Shuhubia put on it. But listening to the tape myself, I find that interpretation untenable.

  180. avatar
    James June 21, 2010 at 11:24 pm #

    Linda Lingle: “…we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact…

    MR. GIBBS: Goodness gracious. I’m going to be, like, in year four describing where it is the President was born. I don’t have the letter at my fingertips, obviously, and I don’t know the name of the exact hospital.

    Hmmm…Does Gibbs have to practice being an idiot.

  181. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2010 at 11:28 pm #

    James: http://networkedblogs.com/54bdc

    I wonder what this means?

    When did Grandma Obama take care of Obama…maybe when he was a baby…perhaps she witnessed his birth….

    OK, where in there is there “baby Obama”, “took care of Obama”, “hospital”, “Mombasa”, “was there at the hospital”, “was with Obama when he was born”? It’s not there. Sarah Obama met Barack Obama II when he visited her as an adult, where he pass through her hands. Keep in mind that Sarah Obama doesn’t speak English and the quote is a translation. “But the freshly minted doctor had to address the congregation in her mother tongue, Dholuo, because she was unable to speak in English.”

    Here is a link to the original article.

  182. avatar
    misha June 21, 2010 at 11:31 pm #

    James: Linda Lingle:

    James: let me try this again: Linda Lingle was determined to have McCain and Palin elected, because she felt they would be better for Israel than Obama.

    If she could have found any dirt, the GOP would have used it with glee. And that’s something you can take to the bank.

  183. avatar
    Dave June 21, 2010 at 11:35 pm #

    Since the topic here is Adams claiming that birthers are racists, maybe it wouldn’t be too OT for me to mention again that I really don’t think prominent birther Orly Taitz is motivated by the President being black. She seems motivated by her loathing of Muslims, though what connection she sees between Muslims and the President is never made clear.

    But on the topic of her bigotry toward Muslims, she has two recent posts on her blog. One is a rehash of the appointment of two Muslims (or alleged Muslims anyhow) to positions in the DHS. As is typical of her blog, it’s reported as news though the appointments under discussion happened a year ago. To give you a taste of it:

    DEVOUT MUSLIMS– HEADING HOME LAND SECURITY???? Well, boys and girls, today we are letting the fox guard the hen house. The wolves will be herding the sheep!
    Obama appoints two devout Muslims to Homeland Security posts. Doesn’t this make you feel safer already?

    The other recent post links to a video of a bigoted rant against the

    plan to create a MUSLIM ”VICTORY” MOSQUE at GROUND ZERO in NY City.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure nobody but the haters is calling this a “victory” mosque. Seems to me that objections to this mosque are based on the idea that ground zero should be a place dedicated to hating Muslims, and imagining that they were all somehow involved in the 9/11 attacks.

  184. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2010 at 11:42 pm #

    James: Well Doc, Mama Obama said that she witnessed Obama’s birth in Kenya.

    No, she didn’t. Even in the the edited version of the tape she isn’t heard to say that she witnessed Obama’s birth or that he was born in Kenya.

  185. avatar
    SluggoJD June 21, 2010 at 11:42 pm #

    James: Well Doc, Mama Obama said that she witnessed Obama’s birth in Kenya.She may have held him then and took care of him for a few days while Stanley Ann recovered.Of course, during this interview it appears that other family members realized what she had said and quickly tried to get Mama Obama to change her story.

    How can anyone stomach this guy’s constant deception?

    For the record – the person who conducted that interview was asking Obama’s grandmother about her son. He intentionally mixed in some grandson stuff as well, to muddy the conversation, which was being translated into her language. When folks realized what he was doing, the record was set straight…yes, her son was born in Kenya, yes, she held her son in her arms, and no, she did not witness her grandson’s birth.

  186. avatar
    Rick A Hyatt June 21, 2010 at 11:44 pm #

    Rickey: Linda Lingle

    Yeah, right. And I bet you’re Martians who’d like to anally probe my ass.
    Therefore, you must be agents of the government.
    Now, THAT’S LOGICAL.

  187. avatar
    misha June 21, 2010 at 11:46 pm #

    Dave: She seems motivated by her loathing of Muslims, though what connection she sees between Muslims and the President is never made clear.

    Israelis from the Soviet Union commonly are Islamophobes. And our president has an Arabic/Muslim name.

    Bingo.

  188. avatar
    Whatever4 June 21, 2010 at 11:46 pm #

    James: Obama’s Step-Grandmother … Momma Sarah in Kenya say … “even the US President passed through my hands”Momma Sarah has said many times she was there in the hospital in Mombasa Kenya when Obama II was born and that she held him in her hands and arms.

    I’ve only seen one instance, and that wasn’t even what she said. Can you link us to others? Not just rehashes of the same interview? She’s also been recorded as saying the first time she met Obama Jr. was when he visited Kenya as an adult, and that she first heard of his birth months later, by a letter from Hawaii.

  189. avatar
    misha June 21, 2010 at 11:48 pm #

    Rick A Hyatt: Yeah, right. And I bet you’re Martians who’d like to anally probe my ass.

    Excuse me?! The inmates are really running the asylum.

  190. avatar
    G June 21, 2010 at 11:53 pm #

    Rick A Hyatt:
    Yeah, right. And I bet you’re Martians who’d like to anally probe my ass.
    Therefore, you must be agents of the government.
    Now, THAT’S LOGICAL.

    And the award for strange, incoherent raging non-sequitur of the day goes to…

  191. avatar
    mrlqban June 21, 2010 at 11:54 pm #

    “Tim Adams claims that the birthers are racists!”…

    and why is this significant chief editor. This guy is a joke,

    He suggests that the state of Hawaii lied about the President’s place of birth.

    But he also believes Obama is stil a U.S. born citizen anyway…

    He suggests that at the time of the Constitution was written, allegiance was very important to become President but we live in a different time now and it is not so important anymore.

    This guy is a soup of contradictions.

    I do see the birthers have a more solid conclusion from the entire story, that some Hawaii clerk thinks Obama is not born in Hawaii, ding ding ding.

  192. avatar
    JoZeppy June 22, 2010 at 12:06 am #

    James: Sorry, my apoligies. It was a poor edit. No good.

    Didn’t you find it strange the way the sound chopped, and the picture panned out to the exact same shot (with the exact same hand gestures and everything) every time he said something “incriminating”? And for something you admit was a poor edit, you didn’t even think twice before posting it? It took me a whole 5 minutes to track down the original. Quit wasting everyone’s time with poor birther fantasies. There is a reason why no one in the reality based world takes birthers seriously. It’s because they ignore every shred of real concrete evidence, and will blindly accept even the worst forgeries and faked “evidence” so long as it supports their twisted notions of what reality is.

  193. avatar
    SluggoJD June 22, 2010 at 12:08 am #

    Rick A Hyatt:
    “Yeah…”

    *****DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER!*****

    The above poster supposedly believes the following:

    1. East German General Markus Wolf is his father, by “bioengineering.”
    2. Markus Wolf is also Obama’s father.
    3. Therefore, Obama is his half brother.
    4. Sarah Palin might be his half sister.
    5. The health care bill guarantees a military attack on the U.S.
    6. Obama will petition the UN to bring Chinese troops into the U.S.
    7. Gary Condit might be his half brother.
    8. He confessed to a homosexual relationship with Bush I many years ago.
    9. He was told Condit was the person who actually killed Kennedy.
    10. He’s broke, and needs donations.

    Engage at your own risk.

  194. avatar
    JoZeppy June 22, 2010 at 12:43 am #

    James: http://networkedblogs.com/54bdcI wonder what this means?When did Grandma Obama take care of Obama…maybe when he was a baby…perhaps she witnessed his birth….

    It means you still haven’t learned your lesson about posting garbage without checking out if it is remotely supported by facts first.

  195. avatar
    nbc June 22, 2010 at 1:54 am #

    James: Well Doc, Mama Obama said that she witnessed Obama’s birth in Kenya. She may have held him then and took care of him for a few days while Stanley Ann recovered. Of course, during this interview it appears that other family members realized what she had said and quickly tried to get Mama Obama to change her story.

    Rather than accepting that the question had been misinterpreted?

    I guess James has no regard for common sense. And yet, when applying common sense, all these ‘mysteries’ disappear.
    But instead, James hold on to something for which there exists no evidence.

    Why is that?

  196. avatar
    Dr. David Goliath June 22, 2010 at 2:47 am #

    Rickey:
    Another Sven fail.You linked to an abstract of Allen’s original Complaint.. As you can see from this motion which Allen filed, he actually named “Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama” as defendant. Furthermore, the named defendants are painstakingly listed here:http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/allen-v-soetoro-docket/And even if Allen had named “Barry Soetoro” as a defendant, where is his proof of service upon Soetoro?
    You have evidence that there is a “Barry Soetoro” who is an Indonesian national and about whom the U.S. government has records? Let’s see your proof..

    Barry Soetoro, Indonesian national, was declared persona non grata by a Hawaii District Court in 1971-72. Consquently, Barry Soetoro, aka Barack H. Obama.

    As for proof of records, I don’t think you understand the FOIA concept. Allen is requesting the US government to search, photocopy and provide copies to him. For some odd reason, the government is refusing to conduct a search.

  197. avatar
    G June 22, 2010 at 4:30 am #

    Dr. David Goliath: As for proof of records, I don’t think you understand the FOIA concept. Allen is requesting the US government to search, photocopy and provide copies to him. For some odd reason, the government is refusing to conduct a search.

    It is a little hard to search for fictitious people, Sven. As there is no such person as “Barry Soetoro”, you’re not going to succeed with such a FOIA request.

    Try doing a FOIA request for Darth Vader or Willy Wonka next time. You’ll get the same result. Will you start screaming that the government is trying to cover up and hide their records to us then too? LOL!

    Yes, I can see your next big chapter now – the government conspiracy to cover up the Death Star & the magical chocolate factory! All proved because they passed on your FOIA request. LMAO!

  198. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny June 22, 2010 at 5:44 am #

    Dave: Since the topic here is Adams claiming that birthers are racists, maybe it wouldn’t be too OT for me to mention again that I really don’t think prominent birther Orly Taitz is motivated by the President being black. She seems motivated by her loathing of Muslims, though what connection she sees between Muslims and the President is never made clear.But on the topic of her bigotry toward Muslims, she has two recent posts on her blog. One is a rehash of the appointment of two Muslims (or alleged Muslims anyhow) to positions in the DHS. As is typical of her blog, it’s reported as news though the appointments under discussion happened a year ago. To give you a taste of it:

    One almost forgotten factoid about Orly. When she was first introduced to the American public by Jeff Schreiber, she was claimed to be from Chechnya. Jeff later changed his article and put “Kishinev” instead of Chechnya. I am still wondering how someone could mishear something like that. If Orly indeed did live for some time in Chechnya – perhaps to study at Grozny – it would explain a lot, because there was a lot of ethnic strife in Grozny between Russians (many of whom were Jews or half-Jews) and Chechens, Young Chechens, born in Kazakhstan after Stalin sent their parents into exile,had never learnt how to work on a farm and naturally went to live and look for work in Chechnya’s only town. Some of them also went to other towns in the South, including Odessa and Kishinev. A Chechen maffia was created, and started to ethnically cleanse Grozny, turning a town which had been predominantly Russian in 1939 into a Chechen town. Did Orly or her family ever experience the Chechen maffia at work?
    http://americasright.com/?p=373
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Grozny_riots

    Of course, we have to remember that Orly did live in Israel for some time. We can only guess what happened then. The Auerbuchs/Averbukhs were already linked to Avigdor Lieberman in Moldova.

    Third explanation may be her stay in Romania, of all places. If she indeed studied dentistry there, to finalize an incomplete Soviet curriculum, the place where she did that was probably one with students from various other countries. Yugoslavia perhaps?

    The fact that Orly is so eager to profess her hatred of Muslims is one of the arguments against her being a Mossad spy. The other two arguments are her too obvious links to Lieberman and her stupidity.

  199. avatar
    ellid June 22, 2010 at 7:48 am #

    Katahdin –

    Who else? He’s been surprisingly quiet lately, and I can only hope that he’s finally waddled off to do something else.

    Dr. David Goliath –

    “Barry Soetoro, Indonesian national, was declared persona non grata by a Hawaii District Court in 1971-72. Consquently, Barry Soetoro, aka Barack H. Obama.”

    State courts do not declare anyone persona non grata, let alone a ten year old child. What hoax did you fall for this time?

  200. avatar
    Dr. David Goliath June 22, 2010 at 8:54 am #

    ellid: Katahdin –
    Who else?He’s been surprisingly quiet lately, and I can only hope that he’s finally waddled off to do something else.Dr. David Goliath –
    “Barry Soetoro, Indonesian national, was declared persona non grata by a Hawaii District Court in 1971-72. Consquently, Barry Soetoro, aka Barack H. Obama.”State courts do not declare anyone persona non grata, let alone a ten year old child.What hoax did you fall for this time?

    After Barry Soetoro, Indonesian national, returned to Hawai’i as a refugee; he met his “father” for the first time, Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama. BHO went to Family court to object to the Soetoro adoption because he is Barry’s paternal parent and he did not consent to the adoption.

    After hearing testimony and reviewing evidence, the Court ordered the HI DHHS registrar to file a birth record for Barack Hussein Obama II with Barack Hussein Obama, African and Stanley Ann Dunham listed as the parents. A court ordered birth record 10 years after the birth is why there is no “long form” certificate.

    Don’t let Doc confuse you. He’ll try to tell you a court wouldn’t backdate a birth record 10 years. Apparently, Doc hasn’t spent much time in a courtroom.

    BHO’s Form SS-5 on file with the Social Security Administration will clear everything up. It asks if you are a U.S. Citizen or a legal resident and what names you have used previously.

  201. avatar
    misha June 22, 2010 at 9:05 am #

    Dr. David Goliath: Don’t let Doc confuse you. He’ll try to tell you a court wouldn’t backdate a birth record 10 years. Apparently, Doc hasn’t spent much time in a courtroom.BHO’s Form SS-5 on file with the Social Security Administration will clear everything up. It asks if you are a U.S. Citizen or a legal resident and what names you have used previously.

    And this is the definition of clinical insanity.

  202. avatar
    misha June 22, 2010 at 9:08 am #

    Paul Pieniezny: The fact that Orly is so eager to profess her hatred of Muslims is one of the arguments against her being a Mossad spy. The other two arguments are her too obvious links to Lieberman and her stupidity.

    The Mossad is discreet. Orly is the proverbial bull in a china shop.

  203. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) June 22, 2010 at 9:12 am #

    Rick A Hyatt: Yeah, right. And I bet you’re Martians who’d like to anally probe my ass.Therefore, you must be agents of the government.Now, THAT’S LOGICAL.

    Rick I’m starting to think instead of the “CIA” you were taken in by the super adventure friends at 13. This would explain your last statement quite well.

  204. avatar
    AnotherBird June 22, 2010 at 9:59 am #

    Dr. David Goliath:
    After Barry Soetoro, Indonesian national, returned to Hawai’i as a refugee; he met his “father” for the first time, Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama. BHO went to Family court to object to the Soetoro adoption because he is Barry’s paternal parent and he did not consent to the adoption.After hearing testimony and reviewing evidence, the Court ordered the HI DHHS registrar to file a birth record for Barack Hussein Obama II with Barack Hussein Obama, African and Stanley Ann Dunham listed as the parents. A court ordered birth record 10 years after the birth is why there is no “long form” certificate.Don’t let Doc confuse you. He’ll try to tell you a court wouldn’t backdate a birth record 10 years. Apparently, Doc hasn’t spent much time in a courtroom.BHO’s Form SS-5 on file with the Social Security Administration will clear everything up. It asks if you are a U.S. Citizen or a legal resident and what names you have used previously.

    Wow. An amazing wealth of information. Too bad it is all make-belief and not even good enough to be a bad detective story.

  205. avatar
    ellid June 22, 2010 at 10:50 am #

    Dr. David Goliath:
    After Barry Soetoro, Indonesian national, returned to Hawai’i as a refugee; he met his “father” for the first time, Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama. BHO went to Family court to object to the Soetoro adoption because he is Barry’s paternal parent and he did not consent to the adoption.After hearing testimony and reviewing evidence, the Court ordered the HI DHHS registrar to file a birth record for Barack Hussein Obama II with Barack Hussein Obama, African and Stanley Ann Dunham listed as the parents. A court ordered birth record 10 years after the birth is why there is no “long form” certificate.Don’t let Doc confuse you. He’ll try to tell you a court wouldn’t backdate a birth record 10 years. Apparently, Doc hasn’t spent much time in a courtroom.BHO’s Form SS-5 on file with the Social Security Administration will clear everything up. It asks if you are a U.S. Citizen or a legal resident and what names you have used previously.

    Let’s count the untruths in this, shall we?

    1. Barack Obama was never named “Barry Soetoro.”

    2. Barack Obama was not an Indonesian national.

    3. There is no dispute that Barack Obama Sr. was the President’s father.

    4. Lolo Soetoro never attempted to adopt his stepson.

    5. Barack Obama Sr. never filed an objection to an objection to an adoption proceeding because there was no adoption proceeding.

    6. The Court did not order any birth certificate for the President.

    7. The birth certificate released to the press two years is the valid birth certificate.

    8. Chiyome Fukino stated at least twice that she had seen the original birth record for the President.

    9. The President’s original Social Security application would contain no other names because he only has one name, which is the name he was born with.

    Aren’t you ashamed of passing along such nonsense? Especially with no source except rumors or your own vivid imagination?

  206. avatar
    SFJeff June 22, 2010 at 12:05 pm #

    To Paul Piesnzy- I have no idea whether your points are valid or not. But I do want to say that the suppositions that you are putting forth are unsupported suppositions about the who and why of Orly.

    While I find lots of amusement in Orly’s behaviour, and I find her actions reprehensible, I don’t think we should behave like birthers and speculate as to someone’s background and build up a history from that.

  207. avatar
    Rickey June 22, 2010 at 12:22 pm #

    Dr. David Goliath:
    BHO’s Form SS-5 on file with the Social Security Administration will clear everything up.

    It might clear up your fantasies, but it’s not going to happen because you are never going to see it.

  208. avatar
    Greg June 22, 2010 at 2:02 pm #

    Dr. David Goliath: After hearing testimony and reviewing evidence

    I’m sure you can provide a transcript, right? Because it would be irresponsible to continue to peddle this fantasy without any evidence.

  209. avatar
    Black Lion June 22, 2010 at 2:13 pm #

    WND Pussyfoots Around Birther Hero’s White Supremacist Ties
    Topic: WorldNetDaily

    It appears that WorldNetDaily is not quite ready to tell its readers the full truth about its new birther hero, Tim Adams.

    Adams is a former temp in a Hawaii elections office who claims that Obama was not born in the U.S. and that no original birth certificate for him exists — a claim WND has eagerly embraced despite a complete lack of corroboration. As we detailed, Adams first made his claim to a self-described “pro-white” radio host of a show called “The Political Cesspool” during a conference of the Council of Conservative Citizens, a decendent of the openly racist White Citizens Councils of the 1950s and 1960s that the Anti-Defamation League describes as having a “white supremacy, white separatism” ideology.

    A June 20 WND article by Joe Kovacs touts Adams’ appearance on a local TV show in Kentucky.Buried in the 19th paragraph of Kovacs’ article is his attempt to tepidly address criticism of Adams:

    Since WND’s original report, Adams has come under fire from some critics online who suggested Adams may hold an anti-black philosophy and that his assertions were possibly racially motivated.

    At no point does Kovacs go into detail about the specific criticisms of Adams — namely, his attendance at a racist-linked conference and his interview with a “pro-white” radio host. Kovacs certainly knows about all of this — after all, he did his own share of whitewashing in that original article, writing that “People started to pay attention this week after he was briefly interviewed by James Edwards, host of a weekly radio show on WLRM Radio in Memphis, Tenn.” Kovacs doesn’t mention Edwards’ name in his June 20 article.

    But here’s where it gets really weird. Kovac then not only portrays Adams as not racist — even though at no point does Adams directly address the issue during the interview — he quotes Adams suggesting that others pursuing the eligibility question are racist:

    Adams, though, said it’s people still asking Obama to prove his eligibility who tend to have race-based sentiments against the commander in chief.

    “Some people are basically racist,” Adams said. “It’s a question of race. They don’t like having someone who’s not white, or they don’t like someone who’s from such a different heritage as President Obama, because his family has ties to Africa. His family also has ties to middle America, so to me it’s also a non-issue. The other thing is, is he is a liberal, he’s a Democrat. There’s a lot of political rancor in the country in the last decade, starting with President Bush, and then we had 9/11. We’ve had the wars overseas. And this entire fight between the Left and the Right has become so Balkanized that anything someone finds, they say, ‘Oh look, he lied about being born inside the United States. There must be something terrible there!’ But they’re extrapolating something that’s not true.”

    WND, of course, is the leading promoter of birtherism. Which means Adams is, in effect, calling WND racist.

    Despite that revealing quote, Kovacs dishonestly frames the issue. At no point during the Kentucky interview was he asked about his white supremacist ties; the above quoted answer was in response to the question, “So why do you think there is still this hubbub among some factions of the U.S. regarding his citizenship?”

    If that’s surprising, other statements by Adams that Kovacs didn’t quote expose the real WND agenda even further. For instance, Kovacs cut off the above quote before Adams said:

    This is the kind of thing you run into often. People nowadays constantly refer to the government as an enemy of the people, but the role of the government is to serve the people.

    That’s certainly a message WND doesn’t want to get out. Later, Adams said this:

    The other day we had the U.S. senator, I believe it was, who was stopped by the two young men who were asking questions on the street, and they almost had an altercation on the street. Our politicians have been so vilified, I think, that they are almost unable to interact with their constituents. Congress’ approval ratings remain low, and the rhetoric is just so violent, and there’s so much opposition that we seem to forget that we’re all supposed to working toward the same goal. My comment was, the other day talking to several people, was I don’t understand how anyone who is a politician in the country today manages to speak publicly, because no matter what you say, it rarely gets out to the public in the form you say it.

    […]

    I think we need to notch down the rancor. We need to remember we are all one nation of people. Usually, when you say we are a diverse people, this is an oxymoron, but America is unique in that we are from our heritage a diverse people — people from many different backgrounds and ethnicities. And we do have a dominant national story in America because we’ve had one group of people who were numerically superior to everyone else. There was a dominant social group, and that’s been changing over the last 20 or 30 years. We have people — more people from more diverse ethnicities coming in from other countries, coming in — immigrating to the United States. The makeup of our country and the demographic is changing, and I think that causes a lot of agitation. A lot of people are afraid, and they latch on to people who tell them what they want to hear. And these people do not have their best interests at heart — they’re, you know, poverty pimps. And a lot of these are very nice people, but people can use fear to rile up a group of people who have been isolated or feel like they have been marginalized. And then you can’t talk to anyone without very kind of outbursts we’ve seen over my rather — I though rather boring comments a couple weeks ago.

    “Poverty pimp” remark aside, Adams’ comments about people falling prey to those who appeal to their fears describes WND to a T. WND branded itself as Obama Hate Central almost from day one, and it tells lies about him and his administration on a regular basis. Further, WND is so anti-immigrant that it has Tom Tancredo as a columnist.

    WND is exploiting its readers’ fear of Obama — a fear that is possibly racially motivated — and it clearly does not have the best interests of its readers in mind. If it did, it would act like a real news organization instead of the for-profit activist group it is.

    If WND ever decides to abandon Adams, it won’t be because of his white supremacist connections — after all, it has no problem with Pat Buchanan’s Jew-counting or Jerome Corsi’s own associations with the same radio “pro-white” host that talked to Adams. It will be because he knows the truth about WND.

    http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/blog/

  210. avatar
    G June 22, 2010 at 3:06 pm #

    Black Lion: If WND ever decides to abandon Adams, it won’t be because of his white supremacist connections — after all, it has no problem with Pat Buchanan’s Jew-counting or Jerome Corsi’s own associations with the same radio “pro-white” host that talked to Adams. It will be because he knows the truth about WND.

    Of course WND won’t tell the truth. As I just posted about them under another blog topic, their whole business model is to gin up controvery, sow hate/distrust and to fleece their gullible flock, knowing that their audience has short-memories and won’t do its own research.

    Remember, they are the ones who originally reported on Aug 23, 2008 that their investigation of Obama’s COLB didn’t find any problems with it, yet who turned around and claimed the opposite once they realized they had a potential merchandising money maker on their hands:

    “A separate WND investigation into Obama’s birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren’t originally there.”

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

    So yeah, deliberate misleading is their bread & butter.

  211. avatar
    misha June 22, 2010 at 3:15 pm #

    Pieniezny

    SFJeff: To Paul Pieniezny- I have no idea whether your points are valid or not. But I do want to say that the suppositions that you are putting forth are unsupported suppositions about the who and why of Orly. While I find lots of amusement in Orly’s behaviour, and I find her actions reprehensible, I don’t think we should behave like birthers and speculate as to someone’s background and build up a history from that.

    In Paul’s defense, I have dealt with a lot of refuseniks, and they are uniformly nuts. I have met Sharansky, and was a supporter until he went off the deep end. It’s not speculating to say they spend their day licking their wounds.

    I’ll even go farther: Israel should have separation of church and state.

  212. avatar
    Dr. David Goliath June 22, 2010 at 3:46 pm #

    ellid:
    Let’s count the untruths in this, shall we?1. Barack Obama was never named “Barry Soetoro.”2. Barack Obama was not an Indonesian national.3. There is no dispute that Barack Obama Sr. was the President’s father.4. Lolo Soetoro never attempted to adopt his stepson.5. Barack Obama Sr. never filed an objection to an objection to an adoption proceeding because there was no adoption proceeding.6. The Court did not order any birth certificate for the President.7. The birth certificate released to the press two years is the valid birth certificate.8. Chiyome Fukino stated at least twice that she had seen the original birth record for the President.9. The President’s original Social Security application would contain no other names because he only has one name, which is the name he was born with.Aren’t you ashamed of passing along such nonsense?Especially with no source except rumors or your own vivid imagination?

    You didn’t mention Barry Soetoro’s I-94 and refugee travel status, circa 1971.

    Are you conceding the point?

  213. avatar
    Black Lion June 22, 2010 at 3:48 pm #

    G: Of course WND won’t tell the truth. As I just posted about them under another blog topic, their whole business model is to gin up controvery, sow hate/distrust and to fleece their gullible flock, knowing that their audience has short-memories and won’t do its own research.Remember, they are the ones who originally reported on Aug 23, 2008 that their investigation of Obama’s COLB didn’t find any problems with it, yet who turned around and claimed the opposite once they realized they had a potential merchandising money maker on their hands:http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214So yeah, deliberate misleading is their bread & butter.

    G, I couldn’t agree with you more. WND is all about making money off the birthers. To a lesser degree but no less evil are the Post and Fail, the Canada Free Press, and all of the other so called birther sites. All set up to fleece the sheep that so hate the President that they would rather believe in farfetched conspiracy scenarios rather than what makes the most sense. And for that reason the birthers like James deserve to get taken to the cleaners…

  214. avatar
    G June 22, 2010 at 3:56 pm #

    Dr. David Goliath: You didn’t mention Barry Soetoro’s I-94 and refugee travel status, circa 1971.

    Are you conceding the point?

    Sorry, if someone ignores fictional tales about fictional people, it is not a concession.

    Delusional made-up fantasies without any evidence to even support their conception don’t merit conversation.

    The only concession that has been made here is that you conceded reality a long, long time ago.

  215. avatar
    ellid June 22, 2010 at 4:06 pm #

    Dr. David Goliath –

    What point? There’s no such person as “Barry Soetoro” and never was, so why should I care about fictional documents for a fictional person?

  216. avatar
    ellid June 22, 2010 at 4:08 pm #

    And oh, to answer “Dr.” David Goliath’s question:

    Barack Obama was never an Indonesian citizen and never a refugee, so the documents he demands do not exist. Given this, I see no reason why I should even address this issue.

  217. avatar
    Black Lion June 22, 2010 at 4:21 pm #

    Honolulu city clerk debunks new ‘birther’ theory

    Over the past few weeks, a Kentucky resident and teacher named Timothy Adams has made the rounds online and on talk radio with an extraordinary claim — he was the “senior elections clerk” for Honolulu in 2008, where it was an open secret that the city and state had no proof of Barack Obama’s citizenship. As he told WorldNetDaily, the racing form for birtherism:

    I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver’s license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone’s identity. I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Barack Obama].
    I checked with Glen Takahashi, the administrator of the Honolulu City Clerk’s office, and while he verified that Adams worked there, he explained – gently making it clear he did not want to “call anyone a liar” — that Adams never actually had access to information about Barack Obama.

    “Our office does not have access to birth records,” Takahashi said. “That’s handled by the state of Hawaii Department of Health. Where he’s getting that, I don’t know. Put it this way: Barack Obama was not trying to register to vote in Hawaii. He is, as far as I know, not a registered voter here. So no one was looking that up.”

    Takahashi explained that the “senior elections clerk” job that Adams held was a low-level data entry position dealing with voter registration and absentee ballots — Adams was one of dozens of temporary employees who staffed the pre-election rush. And he contradicted Adams’s claims that Obama’s lack of a birth certificate was an “open secret” or that voters contacted the office to ask about it.

    “To be honest, I fielded no questions about that,” Takahashi said. “Why would anyone ask us? We don’t have those records.”

    The internal contradictions of Adams’s story haven’t stopped him from expanding his media presence this week, most recently with a local TV interview in which he repeated his claims (some of them based on popular “birther” rumors from the Web) while, confusingly, stating that he didn’t think Obama’s eligibility was an issue.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/06/there_are_some_people_who.html

  218. avatar
    Black Lion June 22, 2010 at 4:35 pm #

    New trash by the seditious Cmmdr. Kerchner….

    New Ad – Hawaii 2008 Senior Elections Clerk, Tim Adams, Says He & His Supervisors’ Investigations in 2008 Showed Obama Not Born in any Hawaii Hospital and He Would So Testify in Court – Washington Times National Weekly edition – 21 June 2010 – page 5

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/33344155/Hawaii-Sr-Election-Clerk-Obama-Not-Born-in-any-Hawaii-Hospital-Wash-Times-Natl-Wkly-20100621-Pg-5

    Here in the article is where Kerchner starts crying and using the birther standard that the “mainstream media” is ignoring the issue….

    “When will the major and national Main Stream Media interview Tim Adams? It is disgraceful that no major national media has even reported this story or investigated and discussed it in their writings and speaking on radio or TV in their roles as national reporters at its veracity. Nor have they even interviewed Tim Adams and/or his former supervisors for more details about their in depth investigation into Obama’s claimed hospital birth in Hawaii which was done by the Hawaiian Election’s Office supervisory staff. That office has confirmed that Tim Adams did work there in 2008. Our Main Stream Media is deliberately, without conscience, disgracefully, and now criminally in my opinion ignoring this story and everything else about the Obama eligibility issue for two years now.”

    And then his “threat”….

    “A day of reckoning is coming. A lot of rhetorical heads are going to roll in Obama’s team, the Congress, the press, and both political parties. We the People are angry and totally fed up with the Congress and the Press and the Political Parties. It is only a matter of time now. Let it come sooner rather than later.”

    http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

  219. avatar
    JoZeppy June 22, 2010 at 5:14 pm #

    Black Lion: New trash by the seditious Cmmdr. Kerchner….
    New Ad – Hawaii 2008 Senior Elections Clerk, Tim Adams, Says He & His Supervisors’ Investigations in 2008 Showed Obama Not Born in any Hawaii Hospital and He Would So Testify in Court – Washington Times National Weekly edition – 21 June 2010 – page 5
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/33344155/Hawaii-Sr-Election-Clerk-Obama-Not-Born-in-any-Hawaii-Hospital-Wash-Times-Natl-Wkly-20100621-Pg-5

    Am I the only one, but are Mario’s ad starting to look like they were produced by Jack Chick, maker of the world famous wack-job, paranoid fundy “Christian” “Chick Tracts“?

    [Link Added: Doctor C]

  220. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 22, 2010 at 5:54 pm #

    JoZeppy: Am I the only one, but are Mario’s ad starting to look like they were produced by Jack Chick, maker of the world famous wack-job, paranoid fundy “Christian” “Chick Tacts”?

    Now that is a flash from the past.

  221. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny June 22, 2010 at 7:30 pm #

    SFJeff: To Paul Piesnzy- I have no idea whether your points are valid or not. But I do want to say that the suppositions that you are putting forth are unsupported suppositions about the who and why of Orly. While I find lots of amusement in Orly’s behaviour, and I find her actions reprehensible, I don’t think we should behave like birthers and speculate as to someone’s background and build up a history from that.

    Someone wondered why Orly had a problem with Muslims. While it looks like I’m speculating in the birther way (meaning of course that I am just returning the compliment – sauce for the goose …) – it is a well-known fact that the immense majority of Jews from the south of the Soviet Union have an enormous problem with Muslims. Eduard Gurwits, the present-day pro-Yushchenko mayor of Odessa is a notorious exception, but his political opponents of course claim Gurwits is part of the Caucasus maffia – the fact that Gurwits’ vice-mayor Vakhtang Ubiria, an ex-Georgian militia man, recently got arrested for brandishing his gun at journalists does not help of course. I have the impression that Jews from elsewhere in the Soviet Union are far more moderate, though Misha probably knows some exceptions there too.

    It is not a speculation, but a fact that Orly lived in Romania for some time. She never said what she did there, but Orly is not on any list of alumni from Jerusalem University. As for the Yugoslav connection, that looks like pure speculation, but when Orly needed a lawyer herself, she chose Jonathan Levy, a lawyer who is suing the Vatican on behalf of victims of the Ustashi.

  222. avatar
    misha June 22, 2010 at 7:57 pm #

    “it is a well-known fact that the immense majority of Jews from the south of the Soviet Union have an enormous problem with Muslims.”

    That’s not speculation. Lieberman detests Arabs in general. Remember, not all Arabs are Muslim.

    “I have the impression that Jews from elsewhere in the Soviet Union are far more moderate, though Misha probably knows some exceptions there too.”

    Jews from the Soviet Union, in general, tend to be right wing – and clash with liberals like here in the States. Also, along with those Soviet immigrants, Israel got the Russian mob. They are more dangerous than the Sicilian mob.

    One example: an Israeli was sitting in his car in Prague, when someone threw a hand grenade under it, exploding. Prague’s chief rabbi went into overdrive about it, screaming anti-semitism. Oops. The one who threw the grenade was also Israeli. They owned competing casinos, and were having a turf war.

    “Orly is not on any list of alumni from Jerusalem University.”

    I think she is an alumnus of Hebrew University.

    “when Orly needed a lawyer herself, she chose Jonathan Levy”

    Levy also got a “degree” from Taft. The blind leading the blind. This should be fun to watch.

  223. avatar
    Benji Franklin June 22, 2010 at 8:12 pm #

    JoZeppy: Black Lion: New trash by the seditious Cmmdr. Kerchner….
    New Ad – Hawaii 2008 Senior Elections Clerk, Tim Adams, Says He & His Supervisors’ Investigations in 2008 Showed Obama Not Born in any Hawaii Hospital and He Would So Testify in Court – Washington Times National Weekly edition – 21 June 2010 – page 5

    Either WND or Kerchner is fully capable of issuing essentially the same ad if Tim Adams had been a Sophomore Elections Clerk, and would only be willing to so testify by means of a tattoo.

    Benji Franklin

  224. avatar
    charo June 22, 2010 at 9:59 pm #

    After reading the information below, it seems that election officials have access to various databases, if this law was implemented. If someone were to have looked up information on Barack Obama in 2008, would that search be immediately flagged, as it certainly would be now? Obama would not have been a registered voter in Hawaii in 2008, but would someone have been able to plug in his name in the database system?

    “What kind of voter registration databases are states required to have?

    The Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA) requires every state, by January 1, 2006, to have implemented and be maintaining an official, centralized, electronic voter registration list that contains the name and registration information of every legally registered voter in the state and assigns a unique identifier to every legally registered voter. The database must be accessible to all election officials in the state and must be able to interact with the databases of other state agencies, including the motor vehicle authority. HAVA leaves the manner of creating, operating, and maintaining these statewide voter registration lists up to the states.”

    More

    What are the advantages of centralized databases?

    With the voting population constantly on the move, lists of registered voters become out-of-date and inaccurate quickly. Centralized databases provide solutions to these problems by allowing election officials to:

    * link to motor vehicle agency databases to keep track of voters who have moved;

    * link to databases of social services agencies to enfranchise people with historically low voting rates;

    * link to correctional databases and courts, so that felons who have had their voting rights suspended can be taken off the lists and people who have finished serving their time can be restored to the lists;

    * link to the Department of Vital Statistics so that it is easier to identify and remove deceased voters from the rolls; and

    * more easily purge the rolls of ineligible voters, duplicate registrations, and voters who have moved and re-registered elsewhere—thus making it more difficult to commit voter fraud.

    http://www.reformelections.org/feature.asp?menuid={82E3F571-83A3-4C99-849A-336A23F76FD1}

    “The Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA) was enacted in part to help ensure that only eligible persons are registered to vote. Under HAVA, as of January 1, 2004, states were to create computerized statewide voter registration lists to serve as official rosters of legally registered voters for elections for federal office. States, however, were given the option to seek a waiver to postpone implementation of HAVA provisions until 2006. All but nine states did so. This report discusses the experiences of the nine states that were subject to the original HAVA deadline–Alaska, Arizona, Georgia, Hawaii, Kentucky, Minnesota, South Carolina, South Dakota, and West Virginia.”

    http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-06-247

    I would be interested in your response Doctor Conspiracy because you are familiar with database systems.

  225. avatar
    charo June 22, 2010 at 10:28 pm #

    * link to the Department of Vital Statistics so that it is easier to identify and remove deceased voters from the rolls;

    This is not something I made up. It is taken from the link. It shows that election officials appear to have access to databases to combat voter fraud. Doc C (I think) works in the field of vital statistics. I’ll wait for his response.

  226. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 22, 2010 at 11:34 pm #

    charo: * link to the Department of Vital Statistics so that it is easier to identify and remove deceased voters from the rolls;

    This is not something I made up. It is taken from the link. It shows that election officials appear to have access to databases to combat voter fraud. Doc C (I think) works in the field of vital statistics. I’ll wait for his response.

    [ Charo’s link]

    Yes, there are efforts to prevent voter fraud, by removing deceased voters from the rolls. Vital Statistics agencies routinely extract death data (batches of it) for voter registration purposes. I’ve never heard of an Elections office having direct entry into a vital statistics database (although it might exist). However, access to a vital statistics system for deaths would not imply access for births even if they were the same system. Enterprise system security practices require that access be limited to job role.

    While Elections folks need death, but not birth, information, Motor Vehicles are just the opposite. They need to verify age and fact of birth before issuing that key identity document, the drivers License. There are inter-system electronic queries, the Electronic Verification of Vital Events (EVVE) for this. But these systems don’t let folks browse names. They are internal system links built into the process of issuing a license. EVVE is a new system only available in some states.

    It’s a big topic, but let’s focus on what is of interest to us. We know from official sources that the Honolulu Elections Division did not have access to birth data. I asked them myself.

  227. avatar
    Expelliarmus June 22, 2010 at 11:43 pm #

    charo: * link to the Department of Vital Statistics so that it is easier to identify and remove deceased voters from the rolls;

    It is important to identify deceased voters to remove them from the rolls, and because historically this is an area where fraud is suspected to occur. (See, for example, Dead voted in governor’s race).

    Birth records are irrelevant for purposes of voting, because citizens are eligible to vote where they reside regardless of where they were born. So there would be no point in checking Hawaii voters against birth records.

  228. avatar
    Rickey June 23, 2010 at 12:20 am #

    charo: Obama would not have been a registered voter in Hawaii in 2008, but would someone have been able to plug in his name in the database system?

    Let’s take a look at that.

    It may well be that Hawaii’s Board of Elections is linked to the Hawaii DMV database, but it is extremely unlikely that it is linked to DMV databases in other states. I can’t think of any reason why Hawaii’s Board of Elections would need to have access to the DMV records of other states.

    New York State has a central database for voter registration records, but it doesn’t provide any information about where a voter was born. It shows the voter’s name, address, party affiliation, and voter status. That’s it. I assume that the voter registration databases in other states are similar. The Board of Elections has no need to know where a voter was born. As Doc C. has pointed out, the only “vital records” which concern the Board of Elections are death records, to ensure that the names of deceased voters are removed from the rolls.

    In the case of Tim Adams, he claimed that he had access to all sorts of confidential databases, though you will notice that he never claimed that he actually used those databases to obtain any information on Obama. Even if he really did have access to them (which he most assuredly did not), his use of them would have been restricted to a “need to know”: basis. Since Obama isn’t a registered voter in Hawaii, the Board of Elections there has no “need to know” any of his personal information; Databases not only contain information about the subject, they also retain information about the person who conducted the searches. That’s how the workers who accessed Obama’s student loan records were caught.

    That is the part which birthers can’t get through their heads. They demand to see Obama’s birth records, school records, medical records, etc., but they don’t have the right to see any of those things.

  229. avatar
    G June 23, 2010 at 1:26 am #

    charo: The Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA) requires every state, by January 1, 2006, to have implemented and be maintaining an official, centralized, electronic voter registration list that contains the name and registration information of every legally registered voter in the state and assigns a unique identifier to every legally registered voter. The database must be accessible to all election officials in the state and must be able to interact with the databases of other state agencies, including the motor vehicle authority. HAVA leaves the manner of creating, operating, and maintaining these statewide voter registration lists up to the states.”

    This is actually a follow-up question for Dr. C –

    Doc, in your professional capacity & knowledge, how fully has HAVA been implemented, as described above? Is it 100% across all states, as the “by January 1, 2006” statement would lead one to assume?

    From my experience in the IT government arena (as this is part of my areas of expertise as well – just not anything to do with elections-based software or HAVA), these federal “mandates” and their associated time frames for automation are often missed (and in fact, often misguided in terms of time & cost to accomplish what they want by the date they want it). Further, some of them seem to end up just “dying”, regardless of being passed as law (although by “dying”, that often just means that meaningless extensions are passed as an excuse for missed deadlines, with no serious action then taken to make the next deadline any more meaningful…hence dead via endless kicking the can down the road…)

    Take for instance the Real ID Act of 2005 (signed into law by GWB on 5/11/05), which was originally supposed to be fully implemented in all 50 states within 3 years (i.e. by 5/11/08).

    Although there have been “amended dates” issued to extend the timeframe (I think the latest is sometime in 2011…which won’t be met either), many states haven’t budgeted the actual funding required to tackle the issue and I’m not sure if any of them have truly moved forward with the necessary steps to even truly assess (full business/systems process analysis) their technical needs in order to address the automation issues & systems/tools/database/data format alignment & conversion issues involved.

    Some states did/do make some false starts here & there – so evidence of RFPs ordered up is not evidence that the project ever goes forward. I personally have reviewed & replied to such related RFP/RFQ/RFI in the past, only to see those be put on permanent “hold” or just eventually be cancelled & not reissued.

    So, from example, I’m well aware that laws requiring major automation changes don’t always move forward (if at all) across the board (especially if they are federal level directives expecting states with disparate rules & systems to fund their own automation), and often miss their targeted “mandate” dates for implementation.

  230. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 23, 2010 at 1:39 am #

    G: Doc, in your professional capacity & knowledge, how fully has HAVA been implemented, as described above? Is it 100% across all states, as the “by January 1, 2006‘ statement would lead one to assume?

    I don’t have any specialized knowledge about election systems. However, nothing I have seen suggests that HAVA means voter registrations will interface with birth registries.

  231. avatar
    Expelliarmus June 23, 2010 at 1:52 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: It’s a big topic, but let’s focus on what is of interest to us. We know from official sources that the Honolulu Elections Division did not have access to birth dat

    Yes, but you don’t understand birther rules:

    1. Anything that comes from “official” sources is immediately suspect and must be disregarded. If it contradicts the birther narrative, it is proof that the government officials are corrupt and part of the conspiracy.

    2. Anything that comes from anonymous sources on the internet, or from any doofus who claims to have heard something that supports the birther narrative is the absolute truth, and provides further evidence of the government conspiracy. (see #1).

  232. avatar
    misha June 23, 2010 at 2:10 am #

    Expelliarmus: Yes, but you don’t understand birther rules:1. Anything that comes from “official” sources is immediately suspect and must be disregarded. If it contradicts the birther narrative, it is proof that the government officials are corrupt and part of the conspiracy.2. Anything that comes from anonymous sources on the internet, or from any doofus who claims to have heard something that supports the birther narrative is the absolute truth, and provides further evidence of the government conspiracy. (see #1).

    And 3: Obama can’t be president, because both parents have to be US citizens, at the time of birth. Orly and Leo have proven this is in the US Constitution. See Mattel.

  233. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny June 23, 2010 at 3:51 am #

    misha: Also, along with those Soviet immigrants, Israel got the Russian mob. They are more dangerous than the Sicilian mob.

    To be fair on both Russians and Jews, the so-called Russian mob is actually an expansive netwok of gangsters that originated in the Caucasus and was Georgian at the start. Via protection rackets involving Jews emigrating from Georgia it got a Jewish extension. Arms (and drugs) smuggling by militia men who fought against the Russians in Abkhazia and Ossetia provided the Chechen connection.

    One example I know very well. In the eighties, the Jewish Georgian maffia got the upper hand in Antwerp’s diamond district. One of their strong points was that they could get you Belgian citizenship in a few months. Their power in Antwerp was broken by a sociological change: most of the older established liberal Yiddish-speaking Jews emigrated in disgust (few to Israel, by the way) and sold their business to newcomers from India. As for Czechia, Karlovy Vary is rumoured to be the safest place in Europe, because … When I was last there, you heard more Russian in the street than Czech.

    The boss of what one should now call the Belgian maffia was once a … bouncer for the Georgian Jewish mob in Antwerp. Born in Poland, Italian name, this Belgian Lieberman speaks perfect Russian and is now a big real estate investor in … Odessa. He is not Jewish at all.
    http://translate.google.nl/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.humo.be%2Ftws%2Fhumo-files%2F14576%2Fvan-pool-tot-maffiatsaar-de-criminele-carriere-van-riccardo-fanchini-3.html&sl=nl&tl=en (the title should read “From Pole to maffia tsar”)

    The problem Gurwits and Ubiria are having with Markov is no longer about diamonds and drugs , but about landfills: disposal of West European “garbage” is now big business in Eastern Europe, and since garbage is not always what it seems to be, it attracts gangsters – in typically Odessite linguistic sarcasm, “refuseniki”.

    There are pro-“Western” and pro-Putin mobs, with some transfers between both groups. The Russian Business Network in 1991 supported the Baltics against the putsch, but probably participated (meaning it provided the majority of the zombies) in the 2007 DDOS attack on Estonia. Where did Orly’s first website virus exploit come from?

  234. avatar
    SvenMagnussen June 23, 2010 at 4:33 am #

    Expelliarmus:
    It is important to identify deceased voters to remove them from the rolls, and because historically this is an area where fraud is suspected to occur.(See, for example, Dead voted in governor’s race).Birth records are irrelevant for purposes of voting, because citizens are eligible to vote where they reside regardless of where they were born.So there would be no point in checking Hawaii voters against birth records.

    Yes, but you are required to show proof of U.S. Citizenship. A natural born citizen shows a birth certificate, while a naturalized citizen shows an I-94 or a Certificate of Citizenship printed by the US State Department.

    Instead of saying Barack registered to vote with an I-94, Tim Allen goes right to the heart of the matter and states Barack wasn’t born in Hawaii.

  235. avatar
    Expelliarmus June 23, 2010 at 4:40 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: However, nothing I have seen suggests that HAVA means voter registrations will interface with birth registries.

    Oddly enough, HAVA requires every state to come up with its own plan.

    Amazingly enough, Hawaii has one, that also happens to be available at the elections office web site, and is called “State of Hawaii, Office of Elections, State Plan (As required by Public Law 107-252,
    Help America Vote Act 2002, Section 253 (b))

    Here’s the part that answers the “what records are checked pursuant to HAVA” question:

    The State of Hawaii’s existing voter registration system is a “single,
    uniform, centralized, interactive, and uniform computerized
    statewide voter register” as required by HAVA. The present system
    is integrated with the statewide driver license database and the City
    & County of Honolulu property records.
    If Hawaii’s neighbor island
    (Maui, Hawaii, Kauai) property databases are reintegrated with the
    City & County of Honolulu’s real property system, the possibility
    also exists for simultaneous integration with the voter registration
    system as well.

    The existing system features instantaneous real time updates to the
    master voter registration file with crosschecking against all driver
    license and property records. The crosscheck feature has been in
    existence for over eighteen years. In a separate effort, Hawaii’s
    statewide driver license database is also presently being enhanced
    to allow online checks against the Social Security Administration.

    See http://hawaii.gov/elections/documents/havaplan.htm

    So there you have it: the system automatically checks the voting records against the DMV and real property records…. and they’re working on getting it to check social security too.

    It’s amazing what a reasonably smart person can find in 2 minutes on Google these days …..

  236. avatar
    Expelliarmus June 23, 2010 at 4:47 am #

    I’d just add that the reason for the cross-check with DMV and property records is that they are primarily concerned with verifying addresses. A good deal of concern over voter fraud involves people voting in some place other than where they live, or people voting twice in different states — for example, once in their home state of New York and once in Florida, where their vacation home is located. So they want names to match addresses.

    Social Security numbers are somewhat useful as a verifier of citizenship….. but imperfect, because social security does a lousy job of tracking address or name changes.

  237. avatar
    Expelliarmus June 23, 2010 at 4:49 am #

    SvenMagnussen: Yes, but you are required to show proof of U.S. Citizenship

    Sorry, the law doesn’t require that at all. It only requires that first time voters show identification. That can be a passport, driver’s license, even a student ID. Picture ID.

  238. avatar
    Ellid June 23, 2010 at 7:43 am #

    @SvenManugseen:

    SvenMagnussen:
    Yes, but you are required to show proof of U.S. Citizenship. A natural born citizen shows a birth certificate, while a naturalized citizen shows an I-94 or a Certificate of Citizenship printed by the US State Department.Instead of saying Barack registered to vote with an I-94, Tim Allen goes right to the heart of the matter and states Barack wasn’t born inHawaii.

    Have you ever even tried to vote? I have NEVER been asked for a birth certificate when I went to vote, and I first voted in 1980, when I was 20 years old. I’m not sure I was even asked for a birth certificate when I registered in Massachusetts in 1985, since I had a driver’s license proving my residence. The ONLY thing I’m ever asked is my street address, and then my name, since I have a roommate at the same address.

    And NONE of this is relevant to Barack Obama, who left Hawaii to go to college and never even voted in his birth state.

  239. avatar
    charo June 23, 2010 at 7:55 am #

    FYI Sven (only two states have laws requiring proof of citizenship)

    http://www.progressivestates.org/node/23089

    “Following Arizona’s lead, Georgia has passed a law requiring that all residents prove their citizenship before they can register to vote.

    “Fortunately, the law will not go into effect until it has been reviewed by the US Dept of Justice. While DOJ cleared the Arizona proof-of-citizenship law in the Voting Rights Act’s pre-clearance process (VRA section 5), Arizona’s proof-of-citizenship law was approved by the then-Bush Administration DOJ. Observers expect the review to be far more probing this time given the new administration’s stated commitment to voting rights.”

  240. avatar
    katahdin June 23, 2010 at 8:44 am #

    Of course Georgia passed its law in order to make it harder for minorities and poor people to vote by requiring drivers’ licenses, which many of the poor and city residents don’t have.
    Voter fraud is not a real problem in this country. Voter suppression, as assiduously practiced by Republicans, is.

  241. avatar
    Bovril June 23, 2010 at 9:08 am #

    Oh Sven you really are an idiot,

    Lets see, 3 states pulled at random, identification requirements

    You will note that a BC is regarded as a METHOD of identification for some states but not for all and is NOT a mandatory requirement.

    NJ

    http://www.njelections.org/vote_id_req.html

    Identification may include, but not limited to, Any Current and Valid Photo ID:

    Driver’s license

    Student or job ID

    Military or other government ID

    Store membership ID

    United States passport

    OR

    Bank statement

    Car registration

    Government check or document

    Non-photo driver’s license

    Rent receipt

    Sample ballot

    Utility bill

    or any other official document

    Texas

    http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/pamphlets/largepamp.shtml

    All voters who registered to vote in Texas must provide a Texas driver’s license number or personal identification number issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety or the last four digits of your social security number. If you have not been issued any of these numbers, then you must state that fact on the application by checking the designated box.

    What if I don’t have a driver’s license, personal identification number, OR a social security number? Can I still register to vote in Texas?

    A voter who has not been issued a driver’s license or social security number may register to vote, but such voter must submit proof of identification when presenting himself/herself for voting or with his/her mail-in ballots, if voting by mail.

    These voters’ names are flagged on the official voter registration list with the annotation of “ID.” The “ID” notation instructs the poll worker to request a proper form of identification from these voters when they present themselves for voting. Acceptable identification includes:

    a driver’s license or personal identification card issued to the person by the Department of Public Safety or a similar document issued to the person by an agency of another state, regardless of whether the license or card has expired;

    a form of identification containing the person’s photograph that establishes the person’s identity;

    a birth certificate or other document confirming birth that is admissible in a court of law and establishes the person’s identity;

    United States citizenship papers issued to the person;

    a United States passport issued to the person;
    official mail addressed to the person by name from a governmental entity;

    a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter; or
    any other form of identification prescribed by the Secretary of State.

    Soith Dakota

    http://www.vote411.org/bystateresult.php?state=SD
    http://www.sdsos.gov/electionsvoteregistration/electvoterpdfs/votregformlongbweffective20080908.pdf

    ID Needed for Voter Registration

    You are required to show your South Dakota driver’s license or provide the last 4 digits of your Social Security number when registering to vote.

    ID Needed for Voting

    You must show one of the following forms of ID at the polls when you go to vote… Click to learn more

    You must show one of the following forms of ID at the polls when you go to vote:

    A South Dakota driver’s license or non-driver ID card

    A passport or an identification card, including a picture, issued by an agency of the U.S. government

    A tribal identification card, including a picture

    A current ID that includes a picture, issued by an accredited institution of higher education, including a university, college, or technical school, located within South Dakota

  242. avatar
    ellid June 23, 2010 at 10:24 am #

    Katahdin – no kidding. Didn’t Tom Tancredo actually suggest bringing back the poll tax and literacy tests?

  243. avatar
    Izzybella June 23, 2010 at 10:44 am #

    I have never had to prove citizenship to vote, and I have been registered to vote in 3 states. (including Arizona) I have been asked for my DL and a current utility bill, and that is it.

    Of course, since we have seen video of Obama casting his vote, if citizenship is required, then he has obviously proven it. Unless of course, the people in charge of the voting booths are in on the whole scam too.

  244. avatar
    Sven Magnussen June 23, 2010 at 11:11 am #

    Expelliarmus:
    Sorry, the law doesn’t require that at all. It only requires that first time voters show identification.That can be a passport, driver’s license, even a student ID.Picture ID.

    And to obtain those I.D.’s, a birth certificate or I-94 for proof of citizenship is required (except for a student I.D. and I’ve never heard of a student I.D. being used to register to vote without a secondary I.D. being used to show proof of citizenship.)

    But we digress, I.D.showing citizenship is required to register or required to obtain an ID acceptable to register. Allen, or his gossipy co-workers, had access to registration data, so Allen is in a position to determine if BO used an i-94 or Certificate of Citizenship to register.

    And as we all can infer, including Illid, a natural born citizen does not have an I-94 or Certificate of Citizenship, only a birth certificate.

  245. avatar
    Sven Magnussen June 23, 2010 at 11:15 am #

    charo: FYI Sven (only two states have laws requiring proof of citizenship)http://www.progressivestates.org/node/23089“Following Arizona’s lead, Georgia has passed a law requiring that all residents prove their citizenship before they can register to vote.…“Fortunately, the law will not go into effect until it has been reviewed by the US Dept of Justice.While DOJ cleared the Arizona proof-of-citizenship law in the Voting Rights Act’s pre-clearance process (VRA section 5), Arizona’s proof-of-citizenship law was approved by the then-Bush Administration DOJ.Observers expect the review to be far more probing this time given the new administration’s stated commitment to voting rights.”

    You’re confusing a show of proof of identity to vote with a show of proof of citizenship to register to vote.

    Allen and his gossipy co-workers as access to registration data. A U.S. citizen uses a birth certificate or an I-94 to show proof of citizenship to register. If BO used an I-94 to register, then he doesn’t have a long form BC.

  246. avatar
    richCares June 23, 2010 at 11:28 am #

    “Allen and his gossipy co-workers as access to registration data. A U.S. citizen uses a birth certificate or an I-94 to show proof of citizenship to register. If BO used an I-94 to register, then he doesn’t have a long form BC.”
    .
    Tim and his co workers had no reason to access Obama’s records, Obama was registered to vote in Chicago, So you think the Hawaii elections people accessed Chicago voting recoeds, now that is really silly. The Tim Adam s story is PHONY!

  247. avatar
    misha June 23, 2010 at 11:50 am #

    Izzybella: I have never had to prove citizenship to vote, and I have been registered to vote in 3 states. (including Arizona) I have been asked for my DL and a current utility bill, and that is it.Of course, since we have seen video of Obama casting his vote, if citizenship is required, then he has obviously proven it. Unless of course, the people in charge of the voting booths are in on the whole scam too.

    My wife got a driver license when she had a green card.

    Everyone is in on the scam. That’s how conspiracy stuff works. I had someone at a photo workshop tell me 9/11 was an inside job. I said in Arab countries, the story is the same, only the Mossad was behind it. He would not budge.

    In fact, an Arab I know told me how the Mossad was behind it. I replied, “you’re not supposed to know.” I then told him the Mossad has the telephone number of everyone Jewish, in the world. I then concluded, “it’s true. I asked my company for a transfer to their WTC branch. Three months before, I got a call telling me not to take the transfer.”

    “Are you joking,” he demanded.

    “Of course not. Would I make a joke about the Mossad?”

  248. avatar
    ellid June 23, 2010 at 11:51 am #

    Uh, Sven? I didn’t have to produce a birth certificate or proof of citizenship to register to vote in Massachusetts. I know that because I didn’t HAVE a copy of my birth certificate in 1985.

    Ditto my driver’s license; all I had to do was produce proof of residency in Pennsylvania when I got my permit. And when I went to switch my license to Massachusetts, all I had was a notarized statement from Pennsylvania stating that I was licensed to drive there, since my wallet had been stolen and my original license went with it. I never once was asked for a birth certificate, passport, or other proof of citizenship.

    In fact, I wasn’t asked for any of the above when I changed my address and registered in a new town when I moved to my current home in 1997. There was no requirement to produce identification to register until 2003, and I still don’t have to produce any documentation when I actually vote.

    Geez.

  249. avatar
    ellid June 23, 2010 at 11:56 am #

    And oh, Svenster? I just looked at the National Mail Voter Registration Form, available from the federal government. Guess what – there’s NO REQUIREMENT FOR A BIRTH CERTIFICATE OR OTHER PROOF OF IDENTIFICATION.

  250. avatar
    Scientist June 23, 2010 at 12:21 pm #

    Sven Magnussen: A U.S. citizen uses a birth certificate or an I-94 to show proof of citizenship to register.

    You don’t know what you are talking about, as usual. An I-94 is the arrival form issued to non-immigrant visitors to the US. It is not issued to US citizens or permanent residents. Therefore, an I-94 would certainly NOT be proof of US citizenship to register to vote.

  251. avatar
    Sven Magnussen June 23, 2010 at 12:30 pm #

    richCares: “Allen and his gossipy co-workers as access to registration data. A U.S. citizen uses a birth certificate or an I-94 to show proof of citizenship to register. If BO used an I-94 to register, then he doesn’t have a long form BC.”
    .
    Tim and his co workers had no reason to access Obama’s records, Obama was registered to vote in Chicago,So you think the Hawaii elections people accessed Chicago voting recoeds, now that is really silly. The Tim Adam s story is PHONY!

    Allen examined BO’s voter registration documents prior to his move to Chicago. Thus, BO was not born in Hawaii.

    Deal with it.

  252. avatar
    Greg June 23, 2010 at 12:31 pm #

    Sven Magnussen: You’re confusing a show of proof of identity to vote with a show of proof of citizenship to register to vote.

    In Hawaii, to register to vote, you sign an affidavit stating that you are a citizen. You need not present any proof of citizenship.

    To vote, you only need to show a picture ID with a signature. It doesn’t need to be a drivers licence.

    In Illinois, you show two forms of ID to register. Neither need be a picture ID. You could register with a credit card and a utility bill.

  253. avatar
    Sven Magnussen June 23, 2010 at 12:34 pm #

    Scientist:
    You don’t know what you are talking about, as usual.An I-94 is the arrival form issued to non-immigrant visitors to the US.It is not issued to US citizens or permanent residents.Therefore, an I-94 would certainly NOT be proof of US citizenship to register to vote.

    If BO used a Certificate of Naturalization or a Certificate of Citizenship to register to vote in Hawaii, Allen and his gossipy co-workers saw the evidence. If BO used a Certificate of Naturalization or a Certificate of Citizenship, then doesn’t have a birth certificate.

    Now, let’s muddy waters … Kapiolani’s phone was disconnected in 2008, so ….

  254. avatar
    misha June 23, 2010 at 12:41 pm #

    Sven Magnussen: Now, let’s muddy waters … Kapiolani’s phone was disconnected in 2008, so ….

    Kapiolani Medical Center
    (808) 983-6000
    (800) 850-8916 (toll-free)

  255. avatar
    Scientist June 23, 2010 at 12:42 pm #

    Sven Magnussen: If BO used a Certificate of Naturalization or a Certificate of Citizenship to register to vote in Hawaii, Allen and his gossipy co-workers saw the evidence.

    Who is Allen??? You mean Adams? Tim Allen is the guy on “Home Improvement”. He has also played Santa claus, a figure far more real than your stories.

    FYI, Obama was registered to vote in Illinois, not Hawaii. This may come as a shock to you, but that’s where the Junior Senator from Illinois votes.

    Sven Magnussen: If BO used a Certificate of Naturalization or a Certificate of Citizenship, then doesn’t have a birth certificate.

    Natiralized citizens have birth certificates too, as do non-citizens.

    The fact is that you come here peddling nonsense and don’t even know what an I-94 is. You are just a joke.

  256. avatar
    Greg June 23, 2010 at 12:46 pm #

    Sven Magnussen: If BO used a Certificate of Naturalization or a Certificate of Citizenship to register to vote in Hawaii

    You have proof that he was registered to vote in Hawaii?

    You have proof of anything?

    And, oh yeah, Hawaii doesn’t require ANY documents to register to vote! You sign an affidavit swearing that you’re a citizen.

    You know, there’s this thing called the internet, where you can get on your computer and access forms from places like the Hawaiian Elections Office and get copies of the voter registration form. You’ll see that no proof of citizenship is required. Since 2002, a copy of a photo ID has been required for new voters.

    You need to upgrade your untruths, Sven.

  257. avatar
    richCares June 23, 2010 at 12:51 pm #

    Deal with it.
    Deal with nion-existing records, why.

  258. avatar
    Rickey June 23, 2010 at 12:58 pm #

    Sven Magnussen:
    If BO used a Certificate of Naturalization or a Certificate of Citizenship to register to vote in Hawaii, Allen and his gossipy co-workers saw the evidence. If BO used a Certificate of Naturalization or a Certificate of Citizenship, then doesn’t have a birth certificate.

    The usual nonsensical Sven fiction. As Greg has pointed out, Hawaii doesn’t even require proof of citizenship to vote. Besides, how do you know that Obama was ever registered to vote in Hawaii? For all we know, he may have registered to vote in California and/or New York. And even if he did register to vote in Hawaii, how do you know that Hawaii still has his voter registration records? That was more than 30 years ago.

  259. avatar
    misha June 23, 2010 at 1:03 pm #

    Sven Magnussen: Allen examined BO’s voter registration documents prior to his move to Chicago. Thus, BO was not born in Hawaii.

    Obama moved to Chicago in 2008?

    Then what year did he become an Illiniois state senator?

  260. avatar
    Sven Magnussen June 23, 2010 at 1:11 pm #

    Greg:
    You have proof that he was registered to vote in Hawaii?
    You have proof of anything?
    And, oh yeah, Hawaii doesn’t require ANY documents to register to vote! You sign an affidavit swearing that you’re a citizen.
    You know, there’s this thing called the internet, where you can get on your computer and access forms from places like the Hawaiian Elections Office and get copies of the voter registration form. You’ll see that no proof of citizenship is required. Since 2002, a copy of a photo ID has been required for new voters.
    You need to upgrade your untruths, Sven.

    Thank you, Orly. You’ve been very helpful.

    From your link: Do I need an I.D. to vote?
    Answer: Yes, a Hawaii D.L. or Hawaii state issued I.D.

    Now, how does a naturalized citizen get a Hawaii DL or ID without showing a Certificate of Naturalization or Certificate of Citizenship to someone, somewhere in the process?

  261. avatar
    ellid June 23, 2010 at 1:13 pm #

    Let’s see…

    The President moved to California for college when he was 18, less than a month after his 18th birthday. He then moved to New York to finish his BA, settled in Illinois, went back to school in Massachusetts, then returned to Illinois in his early 30s. When precisely would he have had occasion to register to vote in Hawaii during this?

    *waits for the next idiotic bit of Svenspeak*

  262. avatar
    Scientist June 23, 2010 at 1:15 pm #

    ellid: waits for the next idiotic bit of Svenspeak

    Sven? The guy who doesn’t know Tim Adams from Tim Allen? The guy who thinks citizens have I-94 non-immigrant visas?

  263. avatar
    ellid June 23, 2010 at 1:23 pm #

    And oh, Sven/Orly/NC/whatever your name is? There’s no such document as a “Certificate of Citizenship.” Were you born in another country, or are you just arguing for the sake of argument?

  264. avatar
    Greg June 23, 2010 at 1:51 pm #

    Sven Magnussen: From your link: Do I need an I.D. to vote?
    Answer: Yes, a Hawaii D.L. or Hawaii state issued I.D.

    Do you think it helps your case to misquote the link? We can all go there and check:

    Yes. Be sure to have an I.D. with a picture and signature
    (such as a Hawaii driver’s license or state I.D. card) when
    you go to vote. The NVRAC card is not an acceptable form
    of identification.

    Do you understand the difference between saying you need a driver’s license or state ID card and saying you need an ID with a picture + signature such as a DL or State ID card?

    Any picture ID with a signature works.

    Next, do you understand the difference between Registering to vote and voting?

    Apparently not, since you claimed:

    Allen examined BO’s voter registration documents prior to his move to Chicago. Thus, BO was not born in Hawaii.

    So, let’s review:

    1. You have no evidence Obama registered in Hawaii.
    2. Registration doesn’t require documentary proof of citizenship
    3. You have no evidence Obama voted in Hawaii.
    4. Voting doesn’t require documentary proof of citizenship
    5. You have no proof Allen or Adams saw any documentation of citizenship, nor that they were in a position to see such proof, since neither registration, nor voting requires documentation of citizenship.

    This list is not meant to be exclusive, you have proven that you don’t have proof of a lot of things, in fact, you’ve shown that you have no proof of anything at all, ever.

  265. avatar
    richCares June 23, 2010 at 2:44 pm #

    Tim Allen would know, as Santa Claus I’m sure he would have Obama’s birth records. And he knows that sven is naughty not nice.

  266. avatar
    Robi June 23, 2010 at 2:55 pm #

    When I registered to vote in Idaho last year, all they asked for was some proof of residency in Idaho – utility bills, driver’s license, anything of that sort. They were quite satisfied with my driver’s license.

  267. avatar
    thisoldhippie June 23, 2010 at 3:25 pm #

    The only way that Adams or his co-horts could have legally accessed any of the databases for the voter registration was if they had received an application to register to vote from someone. At that point they would have been able to cross reference ONLY the databases linked to their system, which we have now been shown did not include the Dept. of Health records and most definitely not the birth records. As a former police officer I had access to the NCIC database only after I had been authorized and certified to run the system and every log in and every search was documented for annual audits. Currently I have access to Lexis/Nexis searches – the same ones Orly continues to tout as proof of President Obama’s multiple SS numbers. I have a password that I use to access the database and I have to list why I am searching every time I go to the database. Further, every search is recorded electronically and if I input certain names, such as Barack Obama, it will trigger an audit as to why I am searching that name. At that time I better have a damn good reason otherwise I will be fined, probably fired, and our office will lose it’s license to the database. As a result of using this database I know just how easy it is to get bogus info. The info in the database is 1) only as good as the typist entering the info and 2) depends on all the other people out there entering info from credit checks, credit card applications, etc and so on. It is just a tool for me to begin my search – not the be all end all.

  268. avatar
    misha June 23, 2010 at 5:01 pm #

    thisoldhippie: I’m trying to find the link, but…I remember reading about two police officers who ran a check on Obama from their patrol cars. The Secret Service even learned about that. Both officers were terminated. The only other detail I can remember is that it happened within Obama’s first 6 months in office.

  269. avatar
    misha June 23, 2010 at 5:43 pm #

    thisoldhippie: Two DeKalb County police officers have been placed on paid administrative leave after an investigation revealed they ran a background check on President Barack Obama.

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/20218458/detail.html

    Philadelphia – police and apparently federal authorities are investigating an officer accused of attempting to run a criminal background check on President Obama, a FOX News affiliate has learned.

    The attempt set off some kind of early warning system in police dispatch, which notified the officer’s captain, Evers said.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/07/philly-police-officer-accused-running-background-check-obama/

  270. avatar
    thisoldhippie June 23, 2010 at 6:45 pm #

    Yep, that’s what happens when you run these rogue background checks. I’m in GA but I assure you that I am NOT one of those officers! On our system if I run a name that triggers the system it can even shut down right then and the “powers that be” will contact my boss to see if I have a legitimate reason for running the name. Those “investigators” that Orly got the info from lost their license to Lexis/Nexis not because Obama ordered it, but because they were not directly involved in litigation at the time that they ran the info and had no reason to do a background check. Orly had not hired them prior to their search.

    Any search Adams or his co-workers might or might not have done on Obama would have been illegal because they would have had no legitimate reason to run a search. (Plus, no one is going to give a temp access to those databases). Any information gleaned from an illegal search would be considered “fruit of the poisonous tree” in a criminal court and would also not be admissable in a civil court. Finally, as so many have said here, hearsay is never admissable unless it is a dying declaration and then that’s iffy.

  271. avatar
    richCares June 23, 2010 at 7:08 pm #

    thisoldhippie, you don’t understand, the election clerk in Hawaii checked the non-existing Hawaii voting records of Obama who was registered in Chicago. There is no law that prevents someone for looking up non-existing records. Obama’s voting records in Hawaii were non existing so no law was broken. All Adams did was get the birthers excited. See it’s simple huh?

  272. avatar
    thisoldhippie June 24, 2010 at 11:50 am #

    I’m just saying that everything coming out of Mr. Adams’ mouth is a great big fat lie because no one in the office he temped in would have had a legitimate reason to check any databases for any information on President Obama.

  273. avatar
    Einstein July 12, 2010 at 10:25 pm #

    McCain was vetted by the senate. Obama/Soetoro was not vetted by the senate because anybody even mentioning his ineligibility back then were being called racist. I don’t understand why it was not brought up in the senate, I know some representatives questioned his eligibility, of course they were immediately viciously attacked by the media as being racist.

    Howard Dean refused to sign for Obama/Soetoro because he knew the truth and didn’t want to go to prison. Normally the Party Chairman signs the form but since he wouldn’t, Nutsy Pelosi signed for him.

    Barry Soetoro is not eligible to be president and should release his documents now and resign. The first official act when he became president was to seal all of his personal records and stated neither the courts or congress could demand to view them. All these criminals need to be convicted of treason and hung.

  274. avatar
    Slartibartfast July 12, 2010 at 10:31 pm #

    Einstein: McCain was vetted by the senate.Obama/Soetoro was not vetted by the senate because anybody even mentioning his ineligibility back then were being called racist.I don’t understand why it was not brought up in the senate, I know some representatives questioned his eligibility, of course they were immediately viciously attacked by the media as being racist.Howard Dean refused to sign for Obama/Soetoro because he knew the truth and didn’t want to go to prison.Normally the Party Chairman signs the form but since he wouldn’t, Nutsy Pelosi signed for him.Barry Soetoro is not eligible to be president and should release his documents now and resign.The first official act when he became president was to seal all of his personal records and stated neither the courts or congress could demand to view them.All these criminals need to be convicted of treason and hung.

    Wow, I think that you didn’t get a single thing correct in that post – that’s amazing!

  275. avatar
    Majority Will July 12, 2010 at 10:40 pm #

    And Albert Einstein had a saying about insanity that obviously applies to these sad, pathetic birther trolls.

  276. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) July 13, 2010 at 12:12 am #

    Einstein: McCain was vetted by the senate.Obama/Soetoro was not vetted by the senate because anybody even mentioning his ineligibility back then were being called racist.I don’t understand why it was not brought up in the senate, I know some representatives questioned his eligibility, of course they were immediately viciously attacked by the media as being racist.Howard Dean refused to sign for Obama/Soetoro because he knew the truth and didn’t want to go to prison.Normally the Party Chairman signs the form but since he wouldn’t, Nutsy Pelosi signed for him.Barry Soetoro is not eligible to be president and should release his documents now and resign.The first official act when he became president was to seal all of his personal records and stated neither the courts or congress could demand to view them.All these criminals need to be convicted of treason and hung.

    McCain was vetted how? He never released his birth certificate to the public. Obama has never legally been known as Soetoro. Obama had background checks when he was a state senator, a US senator and when he became president. Funny the senate passed a resolution about Obama as well, not to mention that they signed off on his election. Yes congresspeople were rightfully called crazy by the public and media for being on the birther bandwagon. Wrong the Obama’s eligibility was signed off on and the documents looked just like the ones used for Al Gore and John Kerry. All presidential records are sealed. Were you able to see Bush’s birth certificate when he was president? No, no one deserves to be hung speaking of such makes you suspect of treason.

    Also your stupidity is apparent. The Chair of the National Convention signs off on it. Not the chair of the DNC (Democratic National Committee)

    See for example John McCain’s certification http://www.thebirthers.org/OPED/JBW2_files/image003.jpg

    It is signed not by Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan, but the Republican National Convention Chairman John Boener

  277. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP July 13, 2010 at 12:35 am #

    Einstein: McCain was vetted by the senate.Obama/Soetoro was not vetted by the senate because anybody even mentioning his ineligibility back then were being called racist.I don’t understand why it was not brought up in the senate, I know some representatives questioned his eligibility, of course they were immediately viciously attacked by the media as being racist.Howard Dean refused to sign for Obama/Soetoro because he knew the truth and didn’t want to go to prison.Normally the Party Chairman signs the form but since he wouldn’t, Nutsy Pelosi signed for him.Barry Soetoro is not eligible to be president and should release his documents now and resign.The first official act when he became president was to seal all of his personal records and stated neither the courts or congress could demand to view them.All these criminals need to be convicted of treason and hung.

    Sounds like a World Nutjob Daily overdose.

  278. avatar
    Majority Will July 13, 2010 at 12:37 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    McCain was vetted how?He never released his birth certificate to the public.Obama has never legally been known as Soetoro.Obama had background checks when he was a state senator, a US senator and when he became president.Funny the senate passed a resolution about Obama as well, not to mention that they signed off on his election.Yes congresspeople were rightfully called crazy by the public and media for being on the birther bandwagon.Wrong the Obama’s eligibility was signed off on and the documents looked just like the ones used for Al Gore and John Kerry.All presidential records are sealed.Were you able to see Bush’s birth certificate when he was president?No, no one deserves to be hung speaking of such makes you suspect of treason.Also your stupidity is apparent.The Chair of the National Convention signs off on it.Not the chair of the DNC (Democratic National Committee)See for example John McCain’s certification http://www.thebirthers.org/OPED/JBW2_files/image003.jpgIt is signed not by Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan, but the Republican National Convention Chairman John Boener

    My grandfather spent an evening with Albert when he was a footballer.

  279. avatar
    Majority Will July 13, 2010 at 12:40 am #

    Majority Will:
    My grandfather spent an evening with Albert when he was a footballer.

    I have better evidence than Lucas “I’m Hallucinating” Smith could ever offer.

  280. avatar
    Majority Will July 13, 2010 at 12:44 am #

    I consider Holocaust denial as serious or more as birtherism.

    Doc? It’s your site.

  281. avatar
    Keith July 13, 2010 at 1:59 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): All presidential records are sealed.

    Just to be absolutely crystal clear here: these are Presidential Records, i.e. records produced specifically during his administration and for the purpose of carrying out his duties as President and Commander-in-Chief. Repeat for emphasis: JOB RELATED stuff.

    Every President has renewed the Presidential Order that accomplishes this. It is always the first order of business after the swearing in ceremony.

    It has nothing to with birth certificates, school records, social security records, or anything else related to his life before being sworn in as President. Those records are subject to exactly the same privacy strictures as the similar records for every other citizen whether they have a public profile or not.

  282. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 13, 2010 at 8:11 am #

    Einstein: McCain was vetted by the senate. Obama/Soetoro was not vetted by the senate because anybody even mentioning his ineligibility back then were being called racist.

    It was a a very unusual and perhaps unprecedented event that the Senate took up a resolution on John McCain’s candidacy, a resolution co-sponsored by Barack Obama. This extraordinary action came about because John McCain was not born in the United States. Some legal scholars argue that birth in the United States is required of a president. At the time of Sen R. 511 (April of 2008 as I recall) no one was questioning the eligibility of Barack Obama, nor has any constitutional law scholar questioned it since.

    No one questioned Obama’s eligibility because there is no question of Obama’s eligibility beyond rumors spawned by a smear campaign. The House and Senate unanimously confirmed Obama’s election and that is about as vetted as can be.

    You say: “normally the Party Chairman signs”, but it is the Convention Chairman who signs because what is certified is that the candidate was nominated by the Convention.

    Obama never sealed any of his personal records by presidential order. He sealed his presidential papers. Read the order. It only applies to things generated by his administration.

    For someone so uninformed and so sloppy, I think Einstein is an inappropriate name unless you mean it as parody.

  283. avatar
    sfjeff July 13, 2010 at 12:42 pm #

    Einstein, As Slart said- I think this is a new record in having every single thing you stated wrong. Though I suspect you are one of the post and run crowd.

    Hey Doc, I have always been curious- any idea how these folk manage to jump into dead threads with these whacky posts? I am always just looking at the most recent threads to see what the current conversation is, but it seems every week that some deluded birther makes a cut and paste post in a long dead thread.

  284. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 13, 2010 at 7:57 pm #

    Majority Will: And Albert Einstein had a saying about insanity that obviously applies to these sad, pathetic birther trolls.

    The above comment was number 50,000 posted on this blog. Woo hoo!

  285. avatar
    Majority Will July 13, 2010 at 10:16 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    The above comment was number 50,000 posted on this blog. Woo hoo!

    I may buy a lottery ticket.

    “Before God we are all equally wise – and equally foolish.”

    “God does not play dice.”

    – Albert Einstein
    Albert Einstein