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More than 25% have doubts

New CNN/Opinion Research poll shows 11% certain and another 16% saying probably that Obama was born outside the United States compared with 42% having “absolutely no doubts” and another 20% saying probably that Barack Obama was born in the good ole USA. No surprise that it’s mostly Republicans with doubts.

But CNN really screwed up on the commentary when they said:

Hawaii has released a copy of the president’s birth certificate – officially called a “certificate of live birth.” And in 1961 the hospital where the president was born placed announcements in two Hawaiian newspapers regarding Obama’s birth.

Anybody with even a cursory familiarity with the topic knows that the copy of the president’s birth certificate was released by the Obama Campaign and not the State of Hawaii, it is called a “Certification of Live Birth” not a “certificate” and the newspaper announcements were not from the hospital but from the state department of health. And didn’t anyone tell them that you’re not supposed to start a sentence with “and?”  I would have commented, but the comments were closed at CNN.

67 Responses to Obama birthday poll

  1. avatar
    Slartibartfast August 5, 2010 at 8:01 pm #

    One in ten people will admit to being a birther… Well, at least President Obama is doing better than evolution 😉

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    AnotherBird August 5, 2010 at 8:25 pm #

    when they “said:” or when they “wrote:”???

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    AnotherBird August 5, 2010 at 8:36 pm #

    Slartibartfast: One in ten people will admit to being a birther…Well, at least President Obama is doing better than evolution.

    Amazing so many people refuse to accept laws, laws of nature and laws of America.

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    Slartibartfast August 5, 2010 at 9:26 pm #

    AnotherBird:
    Amazing so many people refuse to accept laws, laws of nature and laws of America.

    Never underestimate the power of humans to rationalize…

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    nc1 August 5, 2010 at 10:22 pm #

    The real question is – why only 42% have no doubt that Obama was born in the USA.

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    Dave August 5, 2010 at 10:36 pm #

    Like every other poll I’ve seen on this subject, this one is unfortunately tangential to birtherdom. The question asked for this poll was:

    Do you think Barack Obama was definitely born in the United States, probably born in the United States, probably born in another country, or definitely born in another country?

    At first blush it looks like it’s testing for birthers. But a more accurate question would have been “Do you think Barack Obama is legally ineligible for the Presidency and should be removed?” OK, I’m not a pollster and I’m sure Nate Silver would tear my question to pieces, but what I’m getting at is there are actually several crucial differences between the CNN question and birthers.
    1. The question asks, was he born in this country. Birthers are concerned with eligibility, whether because he wasn’t born here, or because his father wasn’t a citizen, or for any other reason they can invent.
    2. The question doesn’t ask if he should be removed. For birthers, the question of his eligibility isn’t academic, they emphatically want him removed.

    So birthers of the Vattel school might have answered that he was definitely born here. And while around here we tend to automatically associate the opinion that he wasn’t born here with birtherism, there could well be lots of people who heard somewhere he wasn’t born here but are unaware and/or uncaring that that would make him ineligible.

    The article comments on the partisan difference in the answers, but I was struck by how little partisan difference there was. 14% of Republicans say he definitely wasn’t born here, 12% of independents, and 8% of Democrats. To me, this very closely resembles those polls of basic facts of science or history that are answered wrong by alarming numbers of people. I suspect that most of these people have no political agenda attached to their belief that Obama was born outside the US — they are just misinformed. I suspect most of them are not what we would call birthers.

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    Majority Will August 5, 2010 at 10:53 pm #

    Dave: Like every other poll I’ve seen on this subject, this one is unfortunately tangential to birtherdom. The question asked for this poll was:
    At first blush it looks like it’s testing for birthers. But a more accurate question would have been “Do you think Barack Obama is legally ineligible for the Presidency and should be removed?” OK, I’m not a pollster and I’m sure Nate Silver would tear my question to pieces, but what I’m getting at is there are actually several crucial differences between the CNN question and birthers.
    1. The question asks, was he born in this country. Birthers are concerned with eligibility, whether because he wasn’t born here, or because his father wasn’t a citizen, or for any other reason they can invent.
    2. The question doesn’t ask if he should be removed. For birthers, the question of his eligibility isn’t academic, they emphatically want him removed.So birthers of the Vattel school might have answered that he was definitely born here. And while around here we tend to automatically associate the opinion that he wasn’t born here with birtherism, there could well be lots of people who heard somewhere he wasn’t born here but are unaware and/or uncaring that that would make him ineligible.The article comments on the partisan difference in the answers, but I was struck by how little partisan difference there was. 14% of Republicans say he definitely wasn’t born here, 12% of independents, and 8% of Democrats. To me, this very closely resembles those polls of basic facts of science or history that are answered wrong by alarming numbers of people. I suspect that most of these people have no political agenda attached to their belief that Obama was born outside the US — they are just misinformed. I suspect most of them are not what we would call birthers.

    And how many polled really don’t know that Hawaii is a state with its own star on the flag and everything?

    After all, it’s the most isolated population center on the face of the earth with the tallest mountain range, its own time zone, no ethnic majorities, three interstate highways that should be called intrastate and a foreign sounding name.

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    Joey August 5, 2010 at 11:01 pm #

    nc1: The real question is – why only 42% have no doubt that Obama was born in the USA.

    I thought it was good to know that only 16% of Americans qualify as birthers. That explains why Orly Taitz was so soundly defeated in the California Republican Primary.

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    Majority Will August 5, 2010 at 11:12 pm #

    Joey:
    I thought it was good to know that only 16% of Americans qualify as birthers. That explains why Orly Taitz was so soundly defeated in the California Republican Primary.

    The real question, as Dave pointed out, is whether people polled understood the question. It didn’t ask about eligibility. Ever watch Jaywalking with Jay Leno?
    That may be anecdotal but survey after survey suggests that more people probably know the name the last American Idol winner but not the name of the Vice President or whether or not Hawaii is a state.

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    Ellid August 5, 2010 at 11:20 pm #

    nc1: The real question is – why only 42% have no doubt that Obama was born in the USA.

    The real question is why you are so intent on undermining a legal election.

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    Dave August 5, 2010 at 11:31 pm #

    Joey:
    I thought it was good to know that only 16% of Americans qualify as birthers. That explains why Orly Taitz was so soundly defeated in the California Republican Primary.

    I think that Taitz’s defeat points to a number much smaller than 16%. You’d think that every even somewhat motivated birther would have bothered to register Republican and vote for her. But the number of votes she received — about half a million — is only about 3% of CA registered voters.

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    Majority Will August 5, 2010 at 11:38 pm #

    Ellid:
    The real question is why you are so intent on undermining a legal election.

    She’s a foreign spy and is being paid to spread lies and disinformation? According to her birther logic, complete absence of evidence and baseless speculation is positive proof. Her birth was probably unattended which would explain a few things.

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    AnotherBird August 5, 2010 at 11:55 pm #

    nc1: The real question is – why only 42% have no doubt that Obama was born in the USA.

    No, the real question are there that many people who are that stupid, disillusioned, or did they just not understand the nature of the question.

    Dave does raise some very valid points about the methodology used.

    Majority Will:
    And how many polled really don’t know that Hawaii is a state with its own star on the flag and everything?

    After all, it’s the most isolated population center on the face of the earth with the tallest mountain range, its own time zone, no ethnic majorities, three interstate highways that should be called intrastate and a foreign sounding name.

    There are many more question that could be asked. However, in that population many are birthers. This is something that can’t be avoided.

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    Majority Will August 6, 2010 at 12:01 am #

    I have no doubt there are also a few birthers who understand the truth but are bound by hatred to spread fear and deception. Some of them are headed for prison.

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    AnotherBird August 6, 2010 at 12:11 am #

    Ellid:
    The real question is why you are so intent on undermining a legal election.

    What is funny about nc1 is that they just don’t understand how ridiculous their position is. Yes, there is Rush and WnutD who push the subject, but they are doing it for viewership from people just like nc1. Credible sources point out how factually wrong its. What makes it funny is watching serious politicians back peddle when they get pandering to voters, but nc1 just refuses to acknowledge this happening.

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    nc1 August 6, 2010 at 1:41 am #

    AnotherBird: No, the real question are there that many people who are that stupid, disillusioned, or did they just not understand the nature of the question.Dave does raise some very valid points about the methodology used.There are many more question that could be asked. However, in that population many are birthers. This is something that can’t be avoided.

    The CNN poll question could not have been easier to understand. It was a simple question about Obama’s birthplace.

    58% of the people polled were not sure whether Obama was born in the USA.
    That number is one of the indicators that November elections could be bad for Democrats.

    I have no doubt that certain number of voters will not vote for Democrats in the November elections based on a doubt about Obama’s birthplace. It would be prudent for Obama to court as many of birthplace doubters as possible by releasing the original birth certificate.

    It is obvious that he is not doing everything possible to help Democrats win as many seats in Congress as possible. Why not?

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    obsolete August 6, 2010 at 2:12 am #

    nc1: It is obvious that he is not doing everything possible to help Democrats win as many seats in Congress as possible. Why not?

    Anyone who still has doubts about him being born in Hawaii will not vote for him no matter what documents he releases. I’d rather he focus on fixing the many problems left by the last administration and not bother with the hopeless. Maybe the birthers can get psychiatric help under some provision of Obama’s health care overhaul?

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    dunstvangeet August 6, 2010 at 2:35 am #

    nc1:
    The CNN poll question could not have been easier to understand. It was a simple question about Obama’s birthplace.
    58% of the people polled were not sure whether Obama was born in the USA.
    That number is one of the indicators that November elections could be bad for Democrats.I have no doubt that certain number of voters will not vote for Democrats in the November elections based on a doubt about Obama’s birthplace.It would be prudent for Obama to court as many of birthplace doubters as possible by releasing the original birth certificate.
    It is obvious that he is not doing everything possible to help Democrats win as many seats in Congress as possible.Why not?

    Actually, by keeping this issue alive, he’s painting his opponents into a corner, as is seen by the Senate Candinate in Colorado who said that the birthers should stop asking him these questions.

    If the Republicans want to get these Birthers motivated and out to the polls, then they pander to them. However, that’ll cost them votes around the center as more and more people realize that they’re nutjobs. So, the more Republicans that he gets that “question” these things, the better his candinates do as they look like the only sane choice.

    There is not a birther out there that would vote for him if he met every single shred of proof that they wanted. He continually has the chance of making his opponents look crazy-minded, and this would go.

    The “Birther issue” is a winner for the Democrats, because it makes their opponents look like far-right lunatics, which loses them votes in the center. There is absolutely no reason that Obama should listen to the birthers and produce one shred of evidence that hasn’t already been produced. I’d just go, “I’ll point these people to the Hawaii State birth certificate that I’ve already produced.” If it goes on further than that, the Republicans look like idiots for pandering to a group of people that if Obama said, “The sky is blue” they’d insist that it was Red, and then state that because Obama said the sky is blue, he must be a communist neo-marxist fascist dictator who’s bent on sending everybody to FEMA Camps.

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    AnotherBird August 6, 2010 at 2:42 am #

    nc1:
    The CNN poll question could not have been easier to understand. It was a simple question about Obama’s birthplace.

    58% of the people polled were not sure whether Obama was born in the USA.
    That number is one of the indicators that November elections could be bad for Democrats.I have no doubt that certain number of voters will not vote for Democrats in the November elections based on a doubt about Obama’s birthplace.It would be prudent for Obama to court as many of birthplace doubters as possible by releasing the original birth certificate.

    It is obvious that he is not doing everything possible to help Democrats win as many seats in Congress as possible.Why not?

    Grasping at straws are we now. Polls reflect peoples opinion on a question that is asked, that is it. Nothing more and nothing less.

    With America having one of the worlds best (if not the best) intelligence agencies and security system; to believe the birther conspiracy you must have some underlying issue that isn’t relevant to the facts.

    Nothing is more high profile as running for president of United States of America. You seem to expect that these agencies refused to act. It is hard to understand what fantasy world you live in.

    If people are uninformed then it is their fault. Those who really want to learn need to you their own research and contemplation on the facts. If isn’t the president fault that people lack the ability to reason and do research on their own.

    This isn’t about Democratic, Libertarians, Republicans, or any political affiliations. This is about people who just refuse to understand simple issues.

    The question was “Do you think Barack Obama was definitely born in the United States, probably born in the United States, probably born in another country, or definitely born in another country?”

    Which isn’t that hard to understand. It has nothing to with whether not he is constitutionally eligible or a natural born citizen. This has to do with whether or not he was born in this country.

    This birther consparicy nonsense is dulling your logical reasoning. It is 71% who stated Obama was Definitely/Probably born in U.S. That number is 57% people who define themselves as Republicans. Conclusion a majority of American surveyed believe that Obama was born in American either by the fact that he is president or they are aware of his birth certificate.

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    Lupin August 6, 2010 at 2:51 am #

    Personally I wasn’t surprised, especially when you see how many people believe in ghosts, etc.

    What we have here is the result of I don’t know how many years — 20? more? — of the US media catering to the “shape of the Earth, opinions differ” crowd, because of fear of lawsuits, or alienating a key demographic.

    As a result, objective truth, scientific facts, have increasingly been relegated to the domain of “opinions” and the media feel it is enough to present two persons from opposite sides to do their job.

    This pathetic descent into obscurantism has affected every strata and political shade of your society. When I lived in Los Angeles, I remember of cases of K-12 kids being encouraged by their parents or coaches to believe that “everyone was a winner” or every kid’s opinion was just as valid as anyone else’s, for fear of hurting someone’s feeling or possibly face a lawsuit.

    Your universities do a terrific (but very tough) job in re-instilling in students (law schools, engineering schools, etc) these values into their students, but often too little too late.

    You can’t deconstruct the fundamentals of a society as you have in America over many years and expect people to suddenly being able to reason with cartesian logic.

    We just had a poll this week in France which found that something like 38% of French people still believe in Heaven and Hell, with the media somewhat deploring the fact as if they’d been told people believed in witches (which in and of itself is interesting).
    http://lci.tf1.fr/france/societe/2010-08/plus-d-un-francais-sur-trois-croit-au-paradis-6030731.html

    In America according to a 2005 poll, 87% believe in Heaven and Hell.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173838,00.html

    It’s dangerous to overinterpret polls and compare apples and oranges, of course.

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    AnotherBird August 6, 2010 at 3:08 am #

    Lupin: In America according to a 2005 poll, 87% believe in Heaven and Hell.

    For some strange reason I doubt Fox News conclusion. It could be some strange math, such as including those who “believe in hell” and “believe in heaven”. As Fox didn’t post the question or the results it is hard to determine how the came to their conclusion, but it their results might be correct.

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    Lupin August 6, 2010 at 3:12 am #

    I did a search on the google and found this:

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_poll3.htm

    which appears to somewhat validate Fox’s conclusions.

    Also this on Gallup’s site:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/11770/eternal-destinations-americans-believe-heaven-hell.aspx

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    DancingRabbit August 6, 2010 at 3:17 am #

    It would appear this website is losing ground on the Obama birth issue based on the CNN poll.

    We know it does not matter where Obama was born, he is not a natural born citizen. The birth certificate is merely a ruse.

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    Lupin August 6, 2010 at 3:20 am #

    I might be tempted to make the point that this strikes me as being not about religion (or spirituality) (meaning the belief in God) but the “superstitions” (or “myths”) that are purely the old trappings of religion, and therefore far more likely to be undermined by modern science and a good education.

    In other words one can believe in a God-the-creator or a set of moral values (e.g.: karma) without believing in angels playing harps in the clouds.

    As there’s no evidence that Americans are intrinsically more moral than the French, Germans, etc. I’m inclined to see this as evidence of stronger superstitions, including ghost whispering, tarot card readings, astrology, etc, etc.

    So dealing with the birthers is in effect identical to trying to convince a believer that astrology is bunk. You’re dealing with faith, not rationality.

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    G August 6, 2010 at 3:41 am #

    nc1: The CNN poll question could not have been easier to understand. It was a simple question about Obama’s birthplace.

    58% of the people polled were not sure whether Obama was born in the USA.
    That number is one of the indicators that November elections could be bad for Democrats.

    I have no doubt that certain number of voters will not vote for Democrats in the November elections based on a doubt about Obama’s birthplace. It would be prudent for Obama to court as many of birthplace doubters as possible by releasing the original birth certificate.

    It is obvious that he is not doing everything possible to help Democrats win as many seats in Congress as possible. Why not?

    LMAO! I would have assumed this to be total satire if we didn’t know you better than that. You are nothing but a lame little troll, NC1 and even your attempts at concern trolling here are pathetically laughable.

    The NC should stand for “nonsensical craziness”, because that is all you ever offer in your blather.

    It is not realistic to try to claim that birthers would ever be voting for Obama, regardless. What a false meme! This translates to the entire birther issue being an impact on someone’s willingness to vote for a Democratic candidate as well. Anyone pulling that bogus line had no intentions of voting for the Democrat in the first place and is just using this as a red-herring excuse. The entire birther nonsense has nothing to do with the Constitution and is completely a red-herring issue to cover for hating Obama and not being able to deal with his election.

    The main issues driving in November will be economic ones and the individual candidates qualifications. Surely there are a number of other hot-button issues at play as well. However, birthers are a non-factor. As I said, birthers votes wouldn’t be any different regardless, so the whole issue is moot really, from the standpoint of how your ilk will cast their votes.

    The only impact birtherism can realistically have on elections is to tarnish certain candidates with that association, which will hurt their election chances of receiving votes from rational people.

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    G August 6, 2010 at 3:49 am #

    DancingRabbit: It would appear this website is losing ground on the Obama birth issue based on the CNN poll.

    We know it does not matter where Obama was born, he is not a natural born citizen. The birth certificate is merely a ruse.

    LOL! Yeah, you keep telling yourself whatever fantasies you need to get through your day, there birther bunny.

    Obviously you’ve ignored all of the analysis and commentary on the poll results and how they compare to other ignorant and fictional beliefs out there.

    Back in reality, Obama is still President and will remain so until at least 2013 or 2017. Deal with it.

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    misha August 6, 2010 at 4:02 am #

    DancingRabbit: We know it does not matter where Obama was born, he is not a natural born citizen. The birth certificate is merely a ruse.

    Rabbit: I’m glad you have the courage to say this. Keep up the good fight! I found a Kenya BC (Obama’s?) that’s right here!

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    Dr. Conspiracy August 6, 2010 at 7:13 am #

    DancingRabbit: It would appear this website is losing ground on the Obama birth issue based on the CNN poll.

    I don’t think that “this web site” is losing ground. I think my readers, who are on average better educated than other Internet users, are pretty solidly [with a few vocal exceptions] in the “Born in the USA” column based on the occasional polls that I’ve taken. It’s the unwashed masses who listen to talk radio we have to worry about.

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    ellid August 6, 2010 at 7:17 am #

    DancingRabbit: It would appear this website is losing ground on the Obama birth issue based on the CNN poll.
    We know it does not matter where Obama was born, he is not a natural born citizen. The birth certificate is merely a ruse.

    The phrase “dumb bunny” comes immediately to mind, alas.

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    Dr. Conspiracy August 6, 2010 at 7:20 am #

    dunstvangeet: Actually, by keeping this issue alive, he’s painting his opponents into a corner, as is seen by the Senate Candidate in Colorado who said that the birthers should stop asking him these questions.

    So do you think the certified photocopy of Obama’s original birth certificate is his trumpet, to take out at the last moment and bring down his political opponents like the biblical walls of Jericho?

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    Dr. Conspiracy August 6, 2010 at 7:36 am #

    Dave: The article comments on the partisan difference in the answers, but I was struck by how little partisan difference there was. 14% of Republicans say he definitely wasn’t born here, 12% of independents, and 8% of Democrats. To me, this very closely resembles those polls of basic facts of science or history that are answered wrong by alarming numbers of people. I suspect that most of these people have no political agenda attached to their belief that Obama was born outside the US — they are just misinformed. I suspect most of them are not what we would call birthers.

    I agree that many, if not most, are just uninformed. They heard “his grandmother is on tape saying he was born in Kenya” and concluded that it must be true, or they read WorldNetDaily with its steady diet of innuendo and cleverly misleading articles and are swayed by it. I would think that the number of people, like nc1 here, who are exposed to the full range of information on both sides, and still believes Obama was born overseas, is tiny. I would LOVE to do a birther trivia poll to see what the birthers really know about their beliefs.

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    AnotherBird August 6, 2010 at 7:41 am #

    DancingRabbit: It would appear this website is losing ground on the Obama birth issue based on the CNN poll.
    We know it does not matter where Obama was born, he is not a natural born citizen. The birth certificate is merely a ruse.

    Ruse??? Rabbit, you seem to have a problem with understand the CNN article in the correct context. The question was “born in the USA.”

    Please the time to read something, anything. Then try to understand the topic of what you have read. You can start with the CNN article, that you apparently didn’t read.

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    PetJake August 6, 2010 at 7:47 am #

    According to a new CNN poll, 6 of 10 people are uncertain that Obama was even born in the United States.
    .
    Looks like the Birfers outnumber the Stupors – that’s the people who believe in Obama’s phony, fairy tale biography.

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    PetJake August 6, 2010 at 7:56 am #

    Slartibartfast: One in ten people will admit to being a birther…Well, at least President Obama is doing better than evolution

    .
    And that one in ten is a liberal. Conservatives do not use some dumbass liberal non-word to describe themselves. They use a real word: PATRIOT!
    .
    The real reason that“Obama is doing better than evolution is because evolution left him behind

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) August 6, 2010 at 8:03 am #

    PetJake:
    .
    And that one in ten is a liberal. Conservatives do not use some dumbass liberal non-word to describe themselves. They use a real word: PATRIOT!
    .
    The real reason that“Obama is doing better than evolution is because evolution left him behind

    nice racist undertone there. Yeah conservatives are real patriots they supported leaders who mostly dodged war when it was their turn and dragged our troops into an unnecessary war in iraq. They were such patriots that they failed to properly arm the troops before they sent them in. They were such patriots that they did what they could to deny medical help to troops returning from war. They were also such patriots that they denied help to first responders on 9/11

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    AnotherBird August 6, 2010 at 8:30 am #

    PetJake: According to a new CNN poll, 6 of 10 people are uncertain that Obama was even born in the United States.
    .
    Looks like the Birfers outnumber the Stupors – that’s the people who believe in Obama’s phony, fairy tale biography.

    Wrong. Read the numbers. Your conclusion is opposite of what the article clearly states.

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    AnotherBird August 6, 2010 at 8:33 am #

    PetJake:
    .
    And that one in ten is a liberal. Conservatives do not use some dumbass liberal non-word to describe themselves. They use a real word: PATRIOT!
    .
    The real reason that“Obama is doing better than evolution is because evolution left him behind

    Excellent. Obama is the president of USA, something you seem jealous of. Work hard, study, listen to other peoples opinion and may be you to can be president. Also, you need to change your attitude towards others.

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    PetJake August 6, 2010 at 9:09 am #

    Wow! This place is overflowing with condescending, egotistical, liberal elitist Stupors who can only get their points across by belittling everyone else who has a differing view.
    .
    As if you needed another word like “Birthers” to put your intolerances on display. You’ve already done an admirable job of that by distinguishing between Presidential eligibility and illegally acting as President.
    .
    If Obama was not born on US soil, then he is illegally occupying the office of President. He has no legal right to be there.
    .
    Assuming that you give a damn about laws.
    .
    Would you let a brain surgeon crack open your skull if he had no medical license?
    .
    Well, actually that’s a bad analogy since nothing can get into the skulls of Stupors.
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    The rock-headed Stupors will say, “We elected him. We don’t care if he is not an American. We don’t care if he is an imposter. We don’t care if he violates the Constitution. We don’t care if we don’t know anything about him. We don’t care.”
    .
    The only people who are “uninformed” are the ones drinking the Kool-Aid of the lying liberal Journo-List media hacks who have intentionally hid, omitted, and downplayed everything that might cast Obama in a negative light, especially his ineligibility to be President.
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    Mayne not drinking it, but downing it like a Jello-shot.
    .
    Just as they are blind to all of the polls that show Obama tanking, they are blind to the fact that they do not know anything of substance about Obama beyond his fairy tale biographies, “Schemes of my Father,” and “Audacity of Dope.”
    .
    Liberals crack on Fox News as not being “a real news outlet” because they are the only ones who actually present something else besides the all-day, all-night, all-year, all-term pro-Obama Leftist liberal Journo-List Stupors who relentlessly attack every conservative who has the cojones to say that this guy is an empty suit with no paper trail to his past.

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    Majority Will August 6, 2010 at 9:17 am #

    PetJake: SQUAWK ! ! !

    Where did you get your training and credentials in forensic science and forensic document examination?

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    Majority Will August 6, 2010 at 9:18 am #

    PetJake: Wow! This place is overflowing with condescending, egotistical . . .”

    Speaking of egotistical and condescending, have you been banned from freerepublic.com’s forums yet?

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) August 6, 2010 at 9:22 am #

    PetJake: Wow! This place is overflowing with condescending, egotistical, liberal elitist Stupors who can only get their points across by belittling everyone else who has a differing view..As if you needed another word like “Birthers” to put your intolerances on display. You’ve already done an admirable job of that by distinguishing between Presidential eligibility and illegally acting as President..If Obama was not born on US soil, then he is illegally occupying the office of President. He has no legal right to be there..Assuming that you give a damn about laws..Would you let a brain surgeon crack open your skull if he had no medical license?.Well, actually that’s a bad analogy since nothing can get into the skulls of Stupors..The rock-headed Stupors will say, “We elected him. We don’t care if he is not an American. We don’t care if he is an imposter. We don’t care if he violates the Constitution. We don’t care if we don’t know anything about him. We don’t care.”.The only people who are “uninformed” are the ones drinking the Kool-Aid of the lying liberal Journo-List media hacks who have intentionally hid, omitted, and downplayed everything that might cast Obama in a negative light, especially his ineligibility to be President. .Mayne not drinking it, but downing it like a Jello-shot..Just as they are blind to all of the polls that show Obama tanking, they are blind to the fact that they do not know anything of substance about Obama beyond his fairy tale biographies, “Schemes of my Father,” and “Audacity of Dope.”.Liberals crack on Fox News as not being “a real news outlet” because they are the only ones who actually present something else besides the all-day, all-night, all-year, all-term pro-Obama Leftist liberal Journo-List Stupors who relentlessly attack every conservative who has the cojones to say that this guy is an empty suit with no paper trail to his past.

    Give it up pollarik. Do you think using such broad generalizations and random phrases in bold font makes your point more clear or less? Elitist? How is anyone here being elitist?

    The problem is that Obama was born in the US and you just can’t stand it. Its obvious you have problems with who he is with your little comment about evolution leaving him behind. Why is that you supported a president who failed miserably at life, had everything given to him and fucked it all up and now you want to make his successor look like he has the same background. Does it make you feel better?

    Your term stupors seems to accurately describe your fellow birthers who are stuck in a perpertual stupor where no amount of information will sway their misguided view that the president wasn’t born here. Their time to act was during the election but they failed to do so. No amount of whining will change the fact that you lost.

    I find it funny that the birther issue got more play on the news than the truther movement and yet you call these “liberal journalists” liars who downplay this made up issue of the birthers. You crazy types always get more play on the news because the media likes sensationalism. It is why liars like the swift boaters got so much play on the media.

    You know no paper trail didn’t stop you from supporting George W. Bush.

  42. avatar
    Factchecker August 6, 2010 at 9:47 am #

    “complete absence of evidence and baseless speculation is positive proof”

    Isn’t that what Obama’s supporters have been relying on to defend him? Isn’t that what permits them to believe that Obama was born in Kapi’olani? Isn’t that what lets them believe that Obama’s birth was registered by a physician?

    The answer to all of those questions is a resounding “Yes”.

    You noble defenders are nothing more than an infection hiding from the sunshine. You know the sunshine may destroy you. I don’t blame you. Obama is yours. If it is proven that Obama was not born in the U.S., it means that you were suckers.

    The noticeable undertone of your comments indicates that you are frightened. Every snide remark reeks of fear.

    I shall now await more demonstrations of that peculiar fear.

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    Gorefan August 6, 2010 at 9:55 am #

    PetJake: Would you let a brain surgeon crack open your skull if he had no medical license?

    No more then I’d let someone without training, experience or credentials tell me what documents are forgeries, based only on a review of a computer monitor.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) August 6, 2010 at 9:57 am #

    Factchecker: “complete absence of evidence and baseless speculation is positive proof”Isn’t that what Obama’s supporters have been relying on to defend him? Isn’t that what permits them to believe that Obama was born in Kapi’olani? Isn’t that what lets them believe that Obama’s birth was registered by a physician?The answer to all of those questions is a resounding “Yes”.You noble defenders are nothing more than an infection hiding from the sunshine. You know the sunshine may destroy you. I don’t blame you. Obama is yours. If it is proven that Obama was not born in the U.S., it means that you were suckers.The noticeable undertone of your comments indicates that you are frightened. Every snide remark reeks of fear.I shall now await more demonstrations of that peculiar fear.

    Gotta love how when you have nothing to support your argument or no actual argument to support what you think you decide you have to make up an argument saying that somehow everything is based on fear. We’re not the ones living in fear. We’re not the ones being paranoid and claiming the president isn’t eligible, that the country is turning to communism, that there’s a usurper. All those claims by the birthers are built upon irrational paranoia from your side “factchecker”.

    Actually we have the birth certificate that the Department of Health gave Obama and he posted a scan of. We have the Repbulican governor of the state of Hawaii confirming he was born there. We have the director of the Department of Health confirming he was born in Hawaii. We have the state department recently confirming it through the FOIA release on his mother’s passports stating her son was born in Hawaii.

    Now what exactly do you have to prove he wasn’t born in Hawaii and isn’t illegible besides rumors and innuendo?

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    Gorefan August 6, 2010 at 10:01 am #

    Factchecker: The noticeable undertone of your comments indicates that you are frightened. Every snide remark reeks of fear.

    Talk about fear. Why do birther blogss moderate their websites and prevent anyone with a different point of view from posting comments? Dictatorships are famous for prevent free speech and blocking opposing opinions. They do it out of fear. What exactly are you guys afraid of? A free flow of information?

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    Majority Will August 6, 2010 at 10:02 am #

    The idiotic birther sock puppets are out in force.

    They reek of desperation and cheap, homemade liquor. Ignore the trolls.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) August 6, 2010 at 10:05 am #

    Gorefan: Talk about fear. Why do birther blogss moderate their websites and prevent anyone with a different point of view from posting comments? Dictatorships are famous for prevent free speech and blocking opposing opinions. They do it out of fear. What exactly are you guys afraid of? A free flow of information?

    I just love the projecting these people do when they come over here. Calling statements from the Department of Health confirming Obama’s birth in Hawaii baseless speculation but their magic thinking on trips to Kenya while pregnant must be evidence based

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    Majority Will August 6, 2010 at 10:09 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    I just love the projecting these people do when they come over here.Calling statements from the Department of Health confirming Obama’s birth in Hawaii baseless speculation but their magic thinking on trips to Kenya while pregnant must be evidence based

    And the birthers’ disrespect for U.S. law and the Constitution is hypocritical and reprehensible. Birthers are a disease only curable when their miserable, hate filled lives come to an end.

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    Ellid August 6, 2010 at 10:13 am #

    PetJake: Wow! This place is overflowing with condescending, egotistical, liberal elitist Stupors who can only get their points across by belittling everyone else who has a differing view.

    Y’know, at least I can read a CNN poll correctly.

    As for the rest, guilty as charged, AND PROUD.

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    Dave August 6, 2010 at 10:17 am #

    PetJake: I can’t speak for all the other condescending, egotistical, liberal elitists, but here are a few comments on your rant.

    1. The word “birther” is convenient for referring to people who believe the President is ineligible for his position and want him removed. If the word offends you, you could suggest another one. But “patriot” won’t do — it already has a meaning entirely unrelated to birtherism, and the people to whom it applies, such as our troops, are overwhelmingly not birthers. The Tea Party types also like to use the word “patriot” to refer to themselves, accurately or not, and most of them are also not birthers.

    2. While I don’t expect you to believe it, laws do matter to me. I confess that I have never closely investigated the Constitutional eligibility of any previous President, just as I suspect you have not. But since I waste too much time following the antics of birthers I am now certain that this President is eligible. That certainty is based on seeing an image of his birth certificate, reading accounts of reporters who have examined the certificate, and the statement of Hawaiian officials that he was born there, along with the fact that in everything I’ve read by birthers there has not emerged one single piece of evidence or persuasive argument that he is not eligible.

    3. You complain about the liberal media ignoring this issue. You complain about criticism of Fox News. But Fox News won’t give birthers the time of day either.

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    Black Lion August 6, 2010 at 10:41 am #

    From Mediate….Commentary by Chris Matthews….

    “Today is President Barack Obama’s 49th birthday, which, since his ascent to the presidency, has become somewhat of a faux holiday for the birther movement, who don’t seem to believe this is his birthday. In celebration, CNN released a poll showing that a quarter of Americans believe the President was not born in America. To Chris Matthews, this quarter of Americans is “the worst kind of citizen.”

    Matthews tore into the long-debunked birther movement in his “Let Me Finish” segment today, calling them “the most un-American of people” for discriminating against the President based solely on, as he puts it, “not because of where he was born, but because of what race he was when he was born” (it is to be assumed that Matthews doesn’t mean the 31% of birthers that approve of President Obama, according to a recent ABC poll). He outlined the blatant fallacies in the general birther argument– the fact that we have seen a copy of Obama’s certificate, and the slim likelihood that there were “people around in 1961 who wanted to create this presidency 49 years later, who were determined to have someone who was only about to be born elected to lead this country.” “They know full well the President was born in America,” he concluded, “they just want to destroy him personally.”

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-matthews-birthers-are-trying-to-assassinate-the-president-with-their-lies/

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    Majority Will August 6, 2010 at 10:42 am #

    “egotistical, liberal elitist Stupors”

    Ironic coming from an unqualified, arrogant pathological liar who keeps getting chastised and banned from birther loyal blogs and sites. Maintaining so many lies without contradiction must be painful, confusing and time consuming.

  53. avatar
    Black Lion August 6, 2010 at 10:42 am #

    From “Outside the Beltway”….

    “A new CNN poll [PDF] illustrates the amazing fact that even a simple, empirically knowable fact can have a very hard time fully establishing itself in the mind of the public—specifically the fact that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii:

    Forty-two percent of those questioned say they have absolutely no doubts that the president was born in the U.S., while 29-percent say he “probably” was.

    How can it be that only a plurality of Americans “have absolutely no doubts that the president was born in the U.S.”? Especially when we have a birth certificate and contemporaneous newspaper birth announcements, along with assurances from the Hawaiian state government?

    And stuff like the following isn’t helpful:

    On Tuesday, conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh quipped on his program, “They tell us August 4th is the birthday. We haven’t seen any proof of that!”

    Joke or no, it fuels the fire (and I will charitably interpret the statement as a joke). However, according to the poll, 27% of Republicas think Obama was “probably born in another country” and 14% think he was “definitely born in a foreign country”—that’s 41% combined.

    Yet, as CNN rightly notes:

    Yet there is ample evidence that defies Limbaugh’s statement and the beliefs of the 27-percent of Americans that, according to the poll, doubt the president’s birthplace. CNN and other news organizations have thoroughly debunked the rumors.

    Hawaii has released a copy of the president’s birth certificate – officially called a “certificate of live birth.” And in 1961 the hospital where the president was born placed announcements in two Hawaiian newspapers regarding Obama’s birth.

    It honesty makes one wonder how basic discourse is possible if such simple issues like this can’t be settled in a reasonable fashion across the public. After all the evidence is irrefutable and not the kind of thing opened to interpretation (although, no doubt, someone will take issue with that statement).

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/birtherism-lives/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+OTB+%28Outside+The+Beltway+|+OTB%29

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    Black Lion August 6, 2010 at 10:50 am #

    And if you sample some fo the comments from the Beltway article you can see how some people will believe what they want to believe no matter what evidence is presented,and how they will attack anyone that tries to alter that opinion….Even with real evidence….

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III says:
    Thursday, August 5, 2010 at 00:19
    Reynold, I never though much about your IQ, but after reading what you wrote above. There is not much there to think about. Do you know how easy it is to get a certificate of live birth in Hawaii? No hospital, no attending doctor. Go look at your birth certificate, if you have one. Mine has littel feet prints on the back. Says what hospital, what time, and who the doctor was, who my parents are. All they list is Obama’s mama. But then you people are easy to fool. After all, you believed his BS from the beginning. BH Obama was part of congress that got us in this mess. Congress was controlled by the dems from 2006 on. Blame Bush if you think that will get you votes in November. I somehow doubt it.

    Michael Reynolds says:
    Thursday, August 5, 2010 at 00:34
    ZR3:

    Jesus Tapdancing Christ you’re a f–king imbecile. There are 50 states you jackass. 50 different state systems. My CA birth certificate does not have little feet on the back. Most don’t. And guess what? I don’t have a newspaper announcing my birth and No, NO, NOOOOOO you moron, no one went back and altered the microfiche of every f–king newspaper archive in Hawaii. And MILLIONS of birth certificates fail to list both parents.

    You are the stupidest, and most persistently stupid person I’ve dealt with since I was waiting tables and we hired retarded people as dishwashers. I mean, Jesus, I try to be polite to you, I really do try, but you know less about . . . well, anything . . . than the average baboon. Honest to God my 13 year old would wipe the floor with you on any issue. Any issue.

    No wonder you can’t get a job. You’rte sucking at the government teat because you’rte a complete f–king idiot.

    Stop obsessing over politics. You don’t know anything. Your opinions are worthless. You are profoundly, irreversibly ignorant. My dog knows more about politics than you do, you stupid, stupid, oh my f–king lord stupid, human being.

    Americaneocon says:
    Thursday, August 5, 2010 at 09:50
    Steven Taylor: I don’t “persist in asserting no evidence has been provided.” Why mischaracterize what I wrote? Lot’s of people who aren’t wild birthers’ have spoken out on Obama’s secrecy on this. Why not release the full medical record and put doubts to rest? McCain did. You assert that a “certification of live birth” is full evidence? It’s not and that’s not solid thinking friend. This administration is secretive. I don’t trust them. And you do? And you have a Ph.D.? For shame.

    Steven L. Taylor says:
    Thursday, August 5, 2010 at 09:39
    As I predicted:

    After all the evidence is irrefutable and not the kind of thing opened to interpretation (although, no doubt, someone will take issue with that statement).

    I really am amazed, but not surprised by much of the above.

    @Donald and other doubters: the document posted above is practically identical the birth certificates that were issues for all three of my children by the State of Alabama, and the ones used for any official/legal activities that have been needed for them. I know I have one for my Middle Son (and perhaps the others) that has foot prints on it, but it is an unofficial decorative document.

    @Max: you are right, conspiracies have been, and always will, be will us. The thing that I find so remarkable about this one is that is so demonstrably and provably false. And yet, we have people like Donald above (who, if memory serves, has a Ph.D. in political science and teaches at a community college in CA) who persist in asserting no evidence has been provided. It is rather remarkable.

    And speaking of @Donald: I am not asking that you embrace everything that Obama has ever said, but the notion that this is a conspiracy of fake document and forged newspaper announcements is really a fantastical approach to a pretty obvious situation, especially since the source of these documents is not, ultimately, Obama, but archived newspapers and the state of Hawaii.

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    AnotherBird August 6, 2010 at 10:57 am #

    PetJake: Wow! This place is overflowing with condescending, egotistical, liberal elitist Stupors who can only get their points across by belittling everyone else who has a differing view.

    You read the poll wrong. That isn’t “a differing view.”

    You made a crude joke, that some took offense to. That isn’t “a differing view.”

    What you attempt to present arguments has been refuted almost 2 years. That isn’t “a differing view.”

    A true skeptic would say that you have no “differing view” since the only thing you have done is reject the facts.

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    AnotherBird August 6, 2010 at 11:08 am #

    Factchecker: “complete absence of evidence and baseless speculation is positive proof”Isn’t that what Obama’s supporters have been relying on to defend him? Isn’t that what permits them to believe that Obama was born in Kapi’olani? Isn’t that what lets them believe that Obama’s birth was registered by a physician?The answer to all of those questions is a resounding “Yes”.You noble defenders are nothing more than an infection hiding from the sunshine. You know the sunshine may destroy you. I don’t blame you. Obama is yours. If it is proven that Obama was not born in the U.S., it means that you were suckers.The noticeable undertone of your comments indicates that you are frightened. Every snide remark reeks of fear.I shall now await more demonstrations of that peculiar fear.

    Factcheck. You refuse to accept any facts. Now you want to make this into a partisan issue. Many people who don’t like Obama’s policies reject him on those policies instead of making up fictional arguments.

    It is quite ironic that you use the term “fear.” A basic principle of birtherism is “fear,” to make people believe that their president lied about his birth. That is fear mongering.

    So before you start lecturing take a look at yourself and see how much of a hypocrite you are.

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    misha August 6, 2010 at 11:08 am #

    Factchecker: I shall now await more demonstrations of that peculiar fear.

    I love you the way a mother loves her retarded son.

  58. avatar
    AnotherBird August 6, 2010 at 11:23 am #

    Factchecker: The noticeable undertone of your comments indicates that you are frightened.

    You are a hypocrite. Do you honestly believe that your president isn’t a natural born citizen? Do you honestly believe that federal laws on citizenship have been broken?

    It is you who is selling fear. It is you who is frightened.

    I have great confidence in America, her laws, and those who are there to protect them. Why aren’t you? Or, is it you are more interested in spreading your lies to really care? I really hope that it is the later.

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    richCares August 6, 2010 at 11:28 am #

    “So before you start lecturing take a look at yourself and see how much of a hypocrite you are.”
    .
    factchecker answer: That’s Mr. Hypocrite to you.
    .
    curious, why does a person who avoids facts call themself “factchecker”?
    .
    “The noticeable undertone of your comments indicates that you are frightened.”
    factchecker must be a right wingeR, as they always project “fear” as “your’e afraid of Sarah”, etc. (it’s called PROJECTION)

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    HORUS August 6, 2010 at 2:46 pm #

    There is a Cartoon on Adult Swim(the late night version of the Cartoon Network) called The Squidbillies.

    A couple of weeks ago they did a musical special called “America, Why I Love Her”.

    The best song of the whole show as called “Listen to the Animals” where cartoon animals were singing a song about all the Conspiracy Theories going on.
    The line about Obama went like this “Now what about Obama and his Birth Certifi-Gate, he was born in Hawaii, that ain’t no golldern state!”

    Another conspiracy went like this “A little birdie told me Penicillin gives you AIDS, Never go to the Doctor, he’ll shoot you up with AIDS!”

    Here is the link to “Listen to the Animals”
    http://video.adultswim.com/squidbillies/listen-to-the-animals.html

    If you want to watch the whole cartoon here is the link.
    It is only 20 minutes long and is very hilarious.
    http://video.adultswim.com/squidbillies/america-why-i-love-her.html

  61. avatar
    G August 6, 2010 at 3:01 pm #

    HORUS: Here is the link to “Listen to the Animals”
    http://video.adultswim.com/squidbillies/listen-to-the-animals.html

    LOL! That was hilarious…especially the ending.

  62. avatar
    HORUS August 6, 2010 at 3:11 pm #

    G: LOL! That was hilarious…especially the ending.

    Talking animals, that don’t make no damn sense!

    Watch the whole cartoon when you get the chance.

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    Slartibartfast August 6, 2010 at 3:15 pm #

    HORUS:
    Talking animals, that don’t make no damn sense!Watch the whole cartoon when you get the chance.

    Oh come on – “The only source of information more reliable than a pack of singing woodland creatures is Glenn Beck.” Who can argue with that?

  64. avatar
    G August 6, 2010 at 3:22 pm #

    HORUS:
    Talking animals, that don’t make no damn sense!Watch the whole cartoon when you get the chance.

    Will do. Thanks!

  65. avatar
    Sef August 7, 2010 at 10:17 am #

    Has CNN done any recent polls about how many still believe there were WMDs in Iraq prior to the war? It would also be interesting to correlate these results with Kool-Aid consumption.

  66. avatar
    G August 7, 2010 at 2:53 pm #

    Sef: Has CNN done any recent polls about how many still believe there were WMDs in Iraq prior to the war? It would also be interesting to correlate these results with Kool-Aid consumption.

    Good point! I bet the percentages that do would be fairly close to the percentage of birthers or TeaBaggers or those who think Dick Cheney is just *awesome*…and I bet the Venn Diagram correlating them would look fairly close to a single fuzzy-bordered circle.

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    AnotherBird August 9, 2010 at 11:11 pm #

    Sef: Has CNN done any recent polls about how many still believe there were WMDs in Iraq prior to the war?It would also be interesting to correlate these results with Kool-Aid consumption.

    Imagine a country that certain medical equipment was been denied entry by other countries having WMD. It is impossible, just like the birthers today they are waiting for one some magical proof. This is even when “experts” are telling them that their speculations are wrong, and all the facts have been presented. They reject eye-witness accounts, and even fabricate reports. However, the most amusing thing is that they believe that time will prove them right, or that they are engaging in “martyrdom.”