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Lakin’s new defense team

Up until now, LtC. Terry Lakin, the Army doctor who refused orders for Afghanistan over his doubts about whether President Obama is constitutionally qualified as his commander in chief, has ditched his legal team — Paul Jensen and his American Patriot Foundation. The APF web site supporting Lakin, safeguardourconstitution.com, now points to the main APF site with only a passing mention of LtC. Lakin. In the past APF participated in the production of video recordings where Lakin incriminates himself. It was quite obvious that LtC. Lakin was being used as his lawyer, Jensen, who told bald-faced lies on the Anderson Cooper 360 show on CNN while Lakin sat blankly beside him.

Military law specialist, Phil Cave, has confirmed that Lakin has hired a prominent firm familiar with military law to defend him.

Did someone get to Lakin and stop him from taking the drugs being used to control him? Did Lakin visit this web site and realize that there is no reasonable doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii? Did the PayPal button just not generate that $500,000 that Jensen wanted for legal expenses? Perhaps the facts will come out and perhaps not. Personally, I hope a speedy recovery for Dr. Lakin.

135 Responses to Lakin’s new defense team

  1. avatar
    Phil Cave October 2, 2010 at 5:42 pm #

    Phil Cave: Jensen’s website is also down and changed back to his California firm.
    I’ve linked to the cached copies should anyone want a piece of military justice history.
    I think the questions to be asked are several:

    Odd, posted without me finishing. Anyway.

    1. What happens to all of the funds solicited on behalf of legal fees for LTC Lakin?
    2. Who will pay for LTC Lakin’s legal fees going forward. I quote:

    American Patriot Foundation’s Legal Defense Fund will pay for all of LTC Lakin’s attorneys fees and costs, and so we urgently need your tax deductible contribution.

    3. If they don’t pay up, how will they explain that to the donors and the IRS?

  2. avatar
    Bovril October 2, 2010 at 6:40 pm #

    Damn, you go for a nice lunch and catch a movie (The Town…well worth catching) abd ALLLLLLL the fun happens…8-)

    Hi Ho, Hi Ho, it’s off to work I go,…..I’m willing to bet the Birfer world are ignoring and/or supressing this one….off to poke some muppets…..>;-)

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    Northland10 October 2, 2010 at 6:44 pm #

    Phil Cave: 1. What happens to all of the funds solicited on behalf of legal fees for LTC Lakin?
    2. Who will pay for LTC Lakin’s legal fees going forward. I quote:

    American Patriot Foundation’s Legal Defense Fund will pay for all of LTC Lakin’s attorneys fees and costs, and so we urgently need your tax deductible contribution.

    3. If they don’t pay up, how will they explain that to the donors and the IRS?

    Looking at the APF information on GuideStar, I am wondering who would be receiving those attorney’s fees. A tax exempt, especially a charitable organizations, do not allow a benefit to go private individuals or shareholders. Besides LTC Lakin being an individual, his “former” civil attorney is listed as the Board Chair of APF.

    From the IRS:

    A section 501(c)(3) organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of private interests, such as the creator or the creator’s family, shareholders of the organization, other designated individuals, or persons controlled directly or indirectly by such private interests. No part of the net earnings of a section 501(c)(3) organization may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. A private shareholder or individual is a person having a personal and private interest in the activities of the organization.

  4. avatar
    Majority Will October 2, 2010 at 6:52 pm #

    I have no doubt that LTC Lakin will quickly and loudly be branded as a turncoat in Birferstan. I do wonder if there was an epiphany or something else like an angry family member.

    It’s seems a little late to avoid some punishment even with a plea agreement but better late than never since he was just rearranging the deck chairs on the RMS Titanic with his previous “defense.”

  5. avatar
    aarrgghh October 2, 2010 at 6:56 pm #

    if lakin manages to salvage any part of a career he so pointlessly threw away, he’ll have 100% real certified obot lawyers to thank.

  6. avatar
    DaveH October 2, 2010 at 7:40 pm #

    I know it’ll never happen but this image comes to my mind….

    Imagine Lakin is required to appear on national TV and he is asked the question “Who’s your daddy?” and Lakin has to reply “Obama is my daddy.”

    It’ll be interesting to see what happens with an attorney that actually knows the law.

  7. avatar
    richCares October 2, 2010 at 8:04 pm #

    strange how each and every birther “Oh my God” moment becomes and “Oh my Gosh” moment. (i.e. Oh Sh___). Birtherland is strane place!

  8. avatar
    Rickey October 2, 2010 at 8:39 pm #

    Interesting response from Christopher Matthews to a question posed on CAAFlog:


    Rob A says:
    October 2, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    Would he be able to change his plea to guilty and beg for mercy? If so, would he be shown mercy?

    *
    Christopher Mathews says:
    October 2, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Yes, and probably.

    LTC Lakin has, as far as I know, been fairly circumspect in his deportment toward his superiors, despite the rather less than rational content of his comments. Unless the prosecution team can present evidence that he was motivated by malice or cowardice, they’ll have to make do with arguing he acted from a combination of arrogance and stupidity.

    A plausible damage-control strategy for the doctor would be to blame his (apparently) former legal team for leading him astray with appeals to his patriotism and sense of duty, and to acknowledge that they were simply using him for their own political gain. This approach would likely ring true with the trier of fact because it probably is, in fact, true.

  9. avatar
    Majority Will October 2, 2010 at 8:40 pm #

    DaveH: Imagine Lakin is required to appear on national TV and he is asked the question “Who’s your daddy?” and Lakin has to reply “Obama is my daddy.”

    LMAO 😀

    And “My former counselor is an idiot, a bigot, a liar and I’m suing this worthless ninny for malpractice.”

    Appearing soon on AC360.

  10. avatar
    misha October 2, 2010 at 8:47 pm #

    Majority Will: he was just rearranging the deck chairs on the RMS Titanic with his previous “defense.”

    No, he was rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg.

  11. avatar
    Majority Will October 2, 2010 at 9:00 pm #

    misha:
    No, he was rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg.

    Where it didn’t matter if you had gas.

  12. avatar
    J. Edward Tremlett October 2, 2010 at 9:12 pm #

    *blinks* Holy sheep poop, Batman!

  13. avatar
    Dave October 2, 2010 at 9:14 pm #

    A thread about this has now appeared on freeperville, and the ensuing argument is not what I expected, though perhaps what I should have expected. Nobody has harsh words for LTC Lakin, indeed, the certainty that new counsel means no more eligibility arguments hasn’t even been mentioned. Instead, the freepers who never thought LTC Lakin’s birther defense would work are getting rocks thrown at them by the birther freepers.

    In other news, Paul Rolf Jensen is still defending our constitutional freedoms.

  14. avatar
    misha October 2, 2010 at 9:24 pm #

    Dave: Paul Rolf Jensen is still defending our constitutional freedoms.

    I can sleep better knowing that. Also, while sleeping, I won’t have to worry about a dog biting me.

  15. avatar
    Reality Check October 2, 2010 at 9:27 pm #

    Hey, nice find Dave. We have it all wrong. Maybe Jensen left Lakin a much more successful whore!

  16. avatar
    Bovril October 2, 2010 at 9:45 pm #

    The Freepers are heavily into the denial stage right now……It’s all “It’s a plot” and “Obama’s hands are all over it” etc etc.

    I firmly expect the cannibal frenzy when Birfoons go fratricidal to kick in shortly.

    At Soros-OBOT HQ we are already starting to see the Full Metal Vatellists turning on the impure of thought…..8-)

  17. avatar
    misha October 2, 2010 at 9:50 pm #

    Bovril: At Soros-OBOT HQ we are already starting to see the Full Metal Vatellists turning on the impure of thought

    I am writing from the subterranean headquarters of the International Jewish Conspiracy™. We are gloating about this turn of events.

  18. avatar
    Majority Will October 2, 2010 at 10:03 pm #

    misha:
    I am writing from the subterranean headquarters of the International Jewish Conspiracyâ„¢. We are gloating about this turn of events.

    I thought I smelled fresh babkas. Mmmmmm.

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    AnotherBird October 2, 2010 at 10:12 pm #

    Lakin has much to lose. Sense probably started to sink in Lakin’s head.

    Lakin should later turn his new defense team on APF and Jensen. Even if this is after he is released from prison.

  20. avatar
    brygenon October 2, 2010 at 10:29 pm #

    The best bit of birther writing ever was the letter Connie Rhodes wrote to extract herself from the mess Orly Taitz had made. Clearly, Rhodes got some good advice in the end.
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/19905657/RHODES-v-MacDONALD-18-Letter-from-plaintiff-Connie-Rhodes-regarding-withdrawal-of-motion-to-stay-Govuscourtsgamd77605180

    Lakin is in a worse position than Rhodes, since he did disobey orders and miss a movement. Still, this doesn’t have to ruin his life. He can argue his previous good record, that he received bad legal counsel, and that he’s sincerely contrite and will never do anything like that again.

  21. avatar
    J. Edward Tremlett October 2, 2010 at 10:50 pm #

    No word from Whirled Nut Daily, yet. I wonder how they’re going to spin this one?

  22. avatar
    misha October 2, 2010 at 10:55 pm #

    J. Edward Tremlett: No word from Whirled Nut Daily, yet. I wonder how they’re going to spin this one?

    Centrifuge.

  23. avatar
    Majority Will October 2, 2010 at 11:13 pm #

    J. Edward Tremlett: No word from Whirled Nut Daily, yet. I wonder how they’re going to spin this one?

    My bet is on some fabricated dung about threats from the White House to the Pentagon.

  24. avatar
    Estiveo October 3, 2010 at 2:29 am #

    OBAMA THUGS GOT TO LAKIN!!!1! PLEASE CONTACT FBI, UN, PETA, UNCLE, NCAA, AARP & EIEIO!

  25. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP October 3, 2010 at 2:34 am #

    lol. UNCLE. Now, that brings back some memories.

  26. avatar
    Lupin October 3, 2010 at 3:45 am #

    I am mildly offended that no one has blamed the French yet.

    After all our efforts to spread gayislamocommunistfascistatheistliberalcheeseeating ideology you’d think we’d get some credit.

  27. avatar
    Keith October 3, 2010 at 4:01 am #

    This comment from extracted from the report at NIMJ on the 28th September:

    The defense first argued that the military judge should abate the court-martial until the Army Court of Criminal Appeals rules on a writ petition the defense inexplicably (“for reasons I can’t get into right now,” according to a defense counsel) filed just yesterday, in response to the military judge’s ruling on September 2.

    Hmmmm. “for reasons I can’t get into right now,

    I wonder if this sheds any light on those reasons?

  28. avatar
    misha October 3, 2010 at 7:51 am #

    Estiveo: PLEASE CONTACT FBI, UN, PETA, UNCLE

    PLEASE CONTACT UNCLE Ah yes. United Network Command for Law and Enforcement.

  29. avatar
    misha October 3, 2010 at 8:27 am #

    Lupin: I am mildly offended that no one has blamed the French yet.

    A pitcher of sangria and a plate of cheese, SVP.

  30. avatar
    Arthur October 3, 2010 at 9:50 am #

    Lupin: I am mildly offended that no one has blamed the French yet.

    We do! We do blame the French! Was it not the marxio-fascist traditions of fancy-pants French, that infiltrated the democratic naturalism of American English, and so forced God-fearing, plain-spoken Yanks to place a noun before an adjective and create the concept of “Court Martial” from the effeminate “la cour martiale???!!!!”

    Well, la de dah, my Aunt Fanny!!!

    When LTC Lakin’s case is heard, I hope the judge will honor the patriotism of our conservative congressmen and rename the proceedings a “Freedom Trial.” And may God bless “We the People”!!

  31. avatar
    misha October 3, 2010 at 10:21 am #

    Lupin: I am mildly offended that no one has blamed the French yet.

    It’s the fault of Franglais.

  32. avatar
    misha October 3, 2010 at 10:23 am #

    Arthur: Well, la de dah, my Aunt Fanny!!!

    Well, la de frickin dah. Lakin is going to live in a van by the river.

  33. avatar
    misha October 3, 2010 at 10:25 am #

    Lupin: I am mildly offended that no one has blamed the French yet.

    Dreyfus is behind this.

  34. avatar
    Majority Will October 3, 2010 at 11:01 am #

    Lupin: I am mildly offended that no one has blamed the French yet.After all our efforts to spread gayislamocommunistfascistatheistliberalcheeseeating ideology you’d think we’d get some credit.

    But please keep making Neufchâtel, Roquefort and Camembert de Normandie cheeses.

    Please?

  35. avatar
    squee October 3, 2010 at 11:13 am #

    brygenon: that he received bad legal counsel

    But didn’t he also received good legal counsel? I thought he had at least one meeting with military counsel *before* his report date and he still, willfully, decided to disobey orders.

  36. avatar
    ellid October 3, 2010 at 12:02 pm #

    misha:
    I am writing from the subterranean headquarters of the International Jewish Conspiracyâ„¢. We are gloating about this turn of events.

    Can you tell me where to get a nice fresh bagel and an egg cream? I’d really appreciate it. Thanks!

  37. avatar
    Lupin October 3, 2010 at 12:10 pm #

    Ah, I mourn the golden days of Freedom Wines, Freedom Fries and Freedom Ticklers, when the Right knew that under every béret hid a potential decadent lothario whose breath smelled of garlic and a certain je ne sais quoi of sorrel.

    We just have to do better to deserve their loathing.

  38. avatar
    Arthur October 3, 2010 at 12:31 pm #

    Lupin:

    And don’t forget French Kissing, which some wanted to call, “Tennessee Tongue Wrestling.” For a time, even V.D. was known again by its former title, the “French Disease.”

  39. avatar
    misha October 3, 2010 at 12:55 pm #

    ellid: Can you tell me where to get a nice fresh bagel and an egg cream? I’d really appreciate it. Thanks!

    Flatlands Bagel Bakery
    8101 Flatlands Ave
    Brooklyn, NY 11236
    (718) 251-0903

    use google maps

  40. avatar
    Majority Will October 3, 2010 at 2:01 pm #

    misha:
    Flatlands Bagel Bakery
    8101 Flatlands Ave
    Brooklyn, NY 11236
    (718) 251-0903use google maps

    NICE ! ! !

  41. avatar
    ellid October 3, 2010 at 6:19 pm #

    misha:
    Flatlands Bagel Bakery
    8101 Flatlands Ave
    Brooklyn, NY 11236
    (718) 251-0903use google maps

    That sounds *delicious*…..

  42. avatar
    ron October 3, 2010 at 9:05 pm #

    Lakin most likely in my opinion will not get any leniancy , he has put the government in a bad situation, if they give the LTCol a break what do they do with the young Sgt or PFC thay follows suit? If you hammer them and not the LTCol the military shows bias to officers over enlisted.

    They have to make a ruling thats keeps with fair order and discipline of the military.
    In my experence officers who will be ruling in this case or usually harder on their fellow officers who run afoul of the UCMJ.

    I feel he has already gotten a break, there are numerous additional charges that he could be charged with and has not.

  43. avatar
    BigGuy October 3, 2010 at 9:37 pm #

    My feeling is, if it’s a members trial, LTC Lakin doesn’t have a chance.

    Those of us who have been following it for a while have become accustomed to the birther claptrap. It no longer catches us off guard.

    But imagine yourself taking this all in within a couple of days. The reaction has to be … “Huh? This 18-year veteran thought he didn’t have to obey his orders because of WHAT? WTF?!”

  44. avatar
    misha October 3, 2010 at 9:40 pm #

    ron: if they give the LTCol a break what do they do with the young Sgt or PFC thay follows suit?

    They will not tolerate mutiny and insubordination, especially since that YouTube video. With that video, he gave new meaning to chutzpah.

  45. avatar
    Steve October 3, 2010 at 11:22 pm #

    ron: Lakin most likely in my opinion will not get any leniancy , he has put the government in a bad situation, if they give the LTCol a break what do they do with the young Sgt or PFC thay follows suit? If you hammer them and not the LTCol the military shows bias to officers over enlisted.They have to make a ruling thats keeps with fair order and discipline of the military.In my experence officers who will be ruling in this case or usually harder on their fellow officers who run afoul of the UCMJ.I feel he has already gotten a break, there are numerous additional charges that he could be charged with and has not.

    I’ve said it before, they need to hit him hard enough so nobody else will want to pull this crap.

  46. avatar
    misha October 3, 2010 at 11:39 pm #

    Steve: I’ve said it before, they need to hit him hard enough so nobody else will want to pull this crap.

    That’s exactly correct.

  47. avatar
    Lawyerwitharealdegree October 4, 2010 at 2:21 am #

    Keith: This comment from extracted from the report at NIMJ on the 28th September:
    Hmmmm.“for reasons I can’t get into right now,”I wonder if this sheds any light on those reasons?

    If anything, Jensen should have filed the Petition more quickly, knowing that his client was clearly unhappy with him. Also, remember, Major Kimkes, his assigned military counsel, did not sign off on that mess, nor did his name appear on any of the moving papers. That’s because it was stupid. I am sure that the new law firm was urging Jensen not to file it.

  48. avatar
    Lupin October 4, 2010 at 2:22 am #

    Personally I think Lakin should be made an example of, if only to show that this kind of cr*p won’t be tolerated.

  49. avatar
    Keith October 4, 2010 at 6:32 am #

    Lawyerwitharealdegree:
    If anything, Jensen should have filed the Petition more quickly, knowing that his client was clearly unhappy with him.Also, remember, Major Kimkes, his assigned military counsel, did not sign off on that mess, nor did his name appear on any of the moving papers.That’s because it was stupid.I am sure that the new law firm was urging Jensen not to file it.

    So Jensen is sabotaging the new team?

    I am sure that we had this discussion in another blog entry comment section about the APF cutting Lakin loose as soon as his fund raising usefulness was past.

    I didn’t think they’d be quite that cynical though.

  50. avatar
    Phil Cave October 4, 2010 at 9:04 am #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP: UNCLE. Now, that brings back some memories.

    Actually that’s what LTC Lakin may have just cried.

    Gosh, what a SPECTRE.

  51. avatar
    Phil Cave October 4, 2010 at 9:22 am #

    Apparently not!

    See here:

    http://court-martial-ucmj.com/lakin-2/ltc-lakin-sitrep-more-huge-news/

  52. avatar
    Reality Check October 4, 2010 at 9:51 am #

    Translated from Birtherspeak:

    Lakin kicked Jensen off the legal team but that won’t stop us from using him to raise money.

  53. avatar
    Bovril October 4, 2010 at 10:45 am #

    Lakins handlers have re-surfaced with an “It’s all a cunning plan” press release, looks like the guano crazy is STILL in ful flow.

    http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/press-release/press101004.html

  54. avatar
    Black Lion October 4, 2010 at 10:55 am #

    Bovril: Lakins handlers have re-surfaced with an “It’s all a cunning plan” press release, looks like the guano crazy is STILL in ful flow.http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/press-release/press101004.html

    Wow…What garbarge…And they are continuing the disrespect of the President in the article…They still refuse to address President Obama as President. That is another birther word game. Refusing to acknowledge that Barack Obama is the President . I guess they feel that if they don’t acknowledge it then it is not true…

  55. avatar
    gorefan October 4, 2010 at 11:07 am #

    Black Lion: Refusing to acknowledge that Barack Obama is the President

    That’s why, I hope, if Lakin’s new defense team, does seek a plea bargain, that it would require Lakin to submit a written apology to the President.

  56. avatar
    AnotherBird October 4, 2010 at 11:37 am #

    Bovril: Lakins handlers have re-surfaced with an “It’s all a cunning plan” press release, looks like the guano crazy is STILL in ful flow.http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/press-release/press101004.html

    Was it a panic reaction, or is it just the spin cycle by the APF?

  57. avatar
    Bovril October 4, 2010 at 11:48 am #

    There are a couple of scenario’s here

    1. It ACTUALLY is a cunning plan with the Hemingways/AFP etc realizing that Lakin and teh precious PayPal is going down and their dog bite lawyer is a baaaaaad idea. Quick, dump biter, who the Vatellist all hate already ANYWAY, get in a real team, postion it as a great victory and use Lakin as a long term revenue stream with appeals etc etc.

    2. “OH FECK” moment when Lakin turns around, comes to his senses and dumps them. This is now a classic Orly moment where they try and piggy back of a real law firm even though they have been kicked to the curb.

    3. Lakin HASN’T come to his senses, is still going Full Metal Birfoon and is hoping a new real law firm will magically get “discovery” and vindicate him.

    I’m inclined to option 2 with a soupcon of 3 but would not in the least be suprised by option 1.

    I think what will catalyse this wil be the repsonse from Alkins new team…if AFP released this item without clearing it with them, expect a short and harsh response.

    If they DID clear it first then the Guano will be hip deep and getting deeper…….

    Still, not being a crazy Birfer with an obsession about conspiracy theories I’ll wait for a few facts to surface first

  58. avatar
    Daniel October 4, 2010 at 11:50 am #

    Just the spin cycle, IMHO.

    I doubt the new legal team will want to have anything at all to do with Jensen and the APF, but there’s nothing stopping the APF from pretending to be supporting him and raising money, and spinning that any way they want to make it look like they weren’t fired outright.

  59. avatar
    Dick Whitman October 4, 2010 at 11:57 am #

    Is there not one patriot in the Obot sphere willing to make a phone call and ask what Jensen’s status is?

    For further information, Contact: Margaret Hemenway (202) 725-7659

  60. avatar
    Bovril October 4, 2010 at 12:04 pm #

    Jensens status is representing a women of “alleged” easy repute, Irma Nici, in a suit against David Beckham……

    He is probably expecting a typical out of court settlement to make the problem go away……With both Beckhams there, wouldn’t expect that Jensie poo’s. I would fear Posh’s stilleto’s a lot more than David if I were you. Expect your settlement fee to approach zip.

  61. avatar
    misha October 4, 2010 at 12:04 pm #

    Dick Whitman: For further information, Contact: Margaret Hemenway (202) 725-7659

    Actually, the correct number is 202-936-1212.

    Thanks for posting.

  62. avatar
    Dick Whitman October 4, 2010 at 12:14 pm #

    misha:
    Actually, the correct number is 202-936-1212.
    Thanks for posting.

    The second lesson I learned at the Sven Magnussen School of Law was once you file an Entry of Appearance with the Court, then you’re the legal representative until the Court releases you. You’re client can fire you. You can decide you don’t want to work with the client anymore. It doesn’t matter. Only the Court can release you from your obligation to represent the client.

    The first lesson was tuition is due upon receipt of notice.

  63. avatar
    Patrick McKinnion October 4, 2010 at 12:15 pm #

    AnotherBird:
    Was it a panic reaction, or is it just the spin cycle by the APF?

    I suspect spinning like a top.

  64. avatar
    Phil Cave October 4, 2010 at 12:18 pm #

    Dick Whitman: once you file an Entry of Appearance with the Court, then you’re the legal representative until the Court releases you.

    Standby. I’m working on a post about that and the possibility that the defense may ask for another continuance based on availability of the new counsel on the current date.

  65. avatar
    Dave October 4, 2010 at 1:24 pm #

    gorefan:
    That’s why, I hope, if Lakin’s new defense team, does seek a plea bargain, that it would require Lakin to submit a written apology to the President.

    I realize you’re not saying this seriously, but it’s worth noting that this is something a plea bargain would certainly not include. LTC Lakin wanted his court martial to be about politics, but it isn’t. He welcome to his opinions about the President. He’s just not welcome to use a military court as his political tool.

    Even if LTC Lakin makes another video claiming the President is ineligible, that would not show a lack of contrition, because making this statement is not a crime. Disobeying orders is a crime. Expect to see further PR from LTC Lakin to not contain any statement that disobeying orders is ok, or that orders are invalid because the President is ineligible.

  66. avatar
    Rickey October 4, 2010 at 1:30 pm #

    Dick Whitman: Is there not one patriot in the Obot sphere willing to make a phone call and ask what Jensen’s status is?For further information, Contact: Margaret Hemenway (202) 725-7659

    I’m sure that she and her father-in-law have cooked up a brilliant new strategy. Things have gone swimming;ly for them so far!

  67. avatar
    Daniel October 4, 2010 at 1:41 pm #

    Dick Whitman: Is there not one patriot in the Obot sphere willing to make a phone call and ask what Jensen’s status is?For further information, Contact: Margaret Hemenway (202) 725-7659

    Why would I ask her?

    Wouldn’t that be a little bit like asking the vixen if the fox has stopped killing chickens?

    I certainly am not going to expect the APF to be honest about the status of Jensen.

  68. avatar
    Dave October 4, 2010 at 1:42 pm #

    Rickey:
    I’m sure that she and her father-in-law have cooked up a brilliant new strategy. Things have gone swimming;ly for them so far!

    Let’s face facts: things are not turning out so badly for the Hemenways. Things are just turning out badly for LTC Lakin.

  69. avatar
    HellT October 4, 2010 at 1:44 pm #

    I’m quite interested in seeing what kind of sentence Lakin ends up with. I’m curious as to whether the military judgment will be based primarily on military reasons, or if they’ll consider the political implications as well.

    Like it or not, Lakin is already a martyr in the eyes of the far right wingers. He’ll continue to be used to attack Obama and the military. If the military’s focus is on a punishment that fits the crime, and acts as a deterrent for others pondering a similarly stupid act, the sentence could end up being reasonable to harsh.

    If President Obama was really as involved in military affairs and chain of command as the birthers believe, it would strategically advantageous for him to order the military to make Lakin’s sentence fairly mild. After all, that render Lakin less effective as a martyr to the birther cause. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Lakin’s handlers/civilian legal team had used this very argument to persuade him that he risked very little by pulling his stunt.

    Civilian courts trend towards leniency, especially with first-time offenders, and even more so with persons from respectable backgrounds. I don’t know how much those factors affect military court sentences, but I’m betting Lakin will be given a fairly lenient sentence *if* he manages to provide the court with a justification for doing so, i.e. shows contrition and renounces his idee fixe. If he sticks to his guns he’ll have earned dismissal, but even then I don’t know if he’ll serve any time.

  70. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy October 4, 2010 at 1:54 pm #

    HellT: I’m quite interested in seeing what kind of sentence Lakin ends up with. I’m curious as to whether the military judgment will be based primarily on military reasons, or if they’ll consider the political implications as well.

    My experience is that courts ignore politics and treat these cases like all the others.

  71. avatar
    misha October 4, 2010 at 1:57 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: My experience is that courts ignore politics and treat these cases like all the others.

    Lakin is guilty of insubordination and mutiny. He’ll be punished accordingly.

  72. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) October 4, 2010 at 1:58 pm #

    HellT: I’m quite interested in seeing what kind of sentence Lakin ends up with. I’m curious as to whether the military judgment will be based primarily on military reasons, or if they’ll consider the political implications as well. Like it or not, Lakin is already a martyr in the eyes of the far right wingers. He’ll continue to be used to attack Obama and the military. If the military’s focus is on a punishment that fits the crime, and acts as a deterrent for others pondering a similarly stupid act, the sentence could end up being reasonable to harsh. If President Obama was really as involved in military affairs and chain of command as the birthers believe, it would strategically advantageous for him to order the military to make Lakin’s sentence fairly mild. After all, that render Lakin less effective as a martyr to the birther cause. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Lakin’s handlers/civilian legal team had used this very argument to persuade him that he risked very little by pulling his stunt.Civilian courts trend towards leniency, especially with first-time offenders, and even more so with persons from respectable backgrounds. I don’t know how much those factors affect military court sentences, but I’m betting Lakin will be given a fairly lenient sentence *if* he manages to provide the court with a justification for doing so, i.e. shows contrition and renounces his idee fixe. If he sticks to his guns he’ll have earned dismissal, but even then I don’t know if he’ll serve any time.

    I disagree. No matter the outcome of the Lakin court martial the birthers will spin it their way. If he gets a mild sentence the birthers will claim that Obama is afraid and so they bought Lakin’s silence by giving him a light sentence. If they give him a harsh sentence, the birthers will claim that its Obama trying to silence Lakin and cover everything up. No matter what happens the birthers will spin it, just like they spin every loss

  73. avatar
    Bovril October 4, 2010 at 2:07 pm #

    Lakin’s only use to the Birfoon universe as a whole is as a sacrificial goat

    Lakin’s use to his HANDLERS is as a foil to generate bad PR for the President and generate a nice little revenue stream via PayPal.

    No-one cares a whit about Lakin and he will be dropped like a dead skunk once his utility is gone.

  74. avatar
    gorefan October 4, 2010 at 6:02 pm #

    Dave: it’s worth noting that this is something a plea bargain would certainly not include.

    Of course, you are right. Just wishful thinking on my part, but it would turn off some of the hero worship of LtC. Lakin at birther sites.

  75. avatar
    Keith October 4, 2010 at 7:31 pm #

    Bovril: Jensens status is representing a women of “alleged” easy repute, Irma Nici, in a suit against David Beckham……He is probably expecting a typical out of court settlement to make the problem go away……With both Beckhams there, wouldn’t expect that Jensie poo’s. I would fear Posh’s stilleto’s a lot more than David if I were you. Expect your settlement fee to approach zip.

    Are you serious? I don’t read the gossip columns, but some of this has leaked through the mental filter. This would just be the icing on the cake!

  76. avatar
    brygenon October 5, 2010 at 1:50 am #

    squee: But didn’t he also received good legal counsel? I thought he had at least one meeting with military counsel *before* his report date and he still, willfully, decided to disobey orders.

    Yes, for example: http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=9140

    Had he received only good advice and still disobeyed, that would be worse than receiving the mix and giving too much credence to the bad. I should note that I’m speculating on possible mitigating factors at this point. We don’t actually know what advice Lakin received from Jensen.

  77. avatar
    misha October 5, 2010 at 2:06 am #

    brygenon: We don’t actually know what advice Lakin received from Jensen.

    “Tell them you couldn’t report for duty because you were bitten by a dog. Then we’ll sue the government.”

  78. avatar
    DCH October 5, 2010 at 8:22 am #

    This turn of events was predicted by the born-in-the-USA-as-an NBC obots on this site.
    Once again the Obots maintain their nerar perfect record in predicting birther fails before they happen. Attorney Jensen had failed like every other birther lawyer in the last two years. Birther lawyers all fail and all fail in similar and predictable ways – hence are negligent in their actions, They waste the courts time (tax payer funded), the paypal money, and perpetuate the delusion that the POTUS is not legitimate which is how LTC Latkin ended up where he is today. It is a function of the completely stupid birther echo chamber.

    The difference is that this birther is facing the loss of his liberty and long term financial security in exchange for being the hero of the birthers for a few weeks. He wil be forgotten with the next cycle of delusional cases ramps up.

    Birthers are the ones who set up Latkin for his loss of liberty.

  79. avatar
    Dick Whitman October 5, 2010 at 8:56 am #

    misha:
    “Tell them you couldn’t report for duty because you were bitten by a dog. Then we’ll sue the government.”

    It’s called an “affirmative defense.” It’s a defense where the charged states he’s not guilty of the charges because he has good cause.

    LTC Lakin didn’t suddenly decide to miss movement and state it’s because Soebarkah is not eligible. Lakin wrote letters and requested face to face meetings with superior officers demanding Obama show his credentials for eligibility. His quest for credentials began shortly after Obama was sworn in 18 months ago.

    Contrary to popular Obot myth, eligibility lawyers were not with LTC Lakin when he was writing letters, emails and requesting meetings with superior officers 18 months ago. After Lakin was told to seek pyschological counseling, he began looking for a lawyer.

    The APF wrote, “”The burden of proof rests solely on Barack Obama to demonstrate to the American people and to the U.S. armed forces that he commands, that he is lawfully serving in his current capacity as head of the executive branch of the federal government.”

    This has been Lakins position from the beginning. And now, Obots, have got him pleading guilty and begging for mercy.

    I’m skeptical that Lakin is surrendering.

  80. avatar
    AnotherBird October 5, 2010 at 9:54 am #

    brygenon: Had he received only good advice and still disobeyed… We don’t actually know what advice Lakin received from Jensen.

    However, we do know that he should have disregarded Jensen’s advice.

  81. avatar
    AnotherBird October 5, 2010 at 9:59 am #

    Dick Whitman: Lakin wrote letters and requested face to face meetings with superior officers demanding Obama show his credentials for eligibility. His quest for credentials began shortly after Obama was sworn in 18 months ago.

    More evidence for his guilt. Was this behavior include in the changes against him?

  82. avatar
    Ellid October 5, 2010 at 10:01 am #

    Dick Whitman should stick to delivering those delicious little boxes of chocolates that appear every Christmas time for Secret Santa.

  83. avatar
    mikeyes October 5, 2010 at 10:31 am #

    Dick Whitman: It’s called an “affirmative defense.” It’s a defense where the charged states he’s not guilty of the charges because he has good cause

    Except that that “defense” is not recognized by the UCMJ.

    When you put on the uniform you are under a separate set of rules Constitutionally mandated and set by Congress. You give up a number of rights that are usually afforded to civilians because to do otherwise would place the security of our country in danger.

    Among those rules is the obligation to obey all legal orders. LTC Lakin was given legal (i.e. not facially/obviously illegal such as “go kill all those civilians”) orders from superior officers authorized by Congress to give those orders. Congress has set up these rules so that good order and discipline are maintained. To do otherwise is to encourage mutiny and chaos. To deliberately break these rules, especially for a field grade officer, is tantamount to giving succor to our enemies.

    The eligibility of the President has nothing to do with the authority of those who gave the orders and there is nothing illegal about catching a plane to KY or reporting to your commanding officer’s office. UCMJ is very clear about who has the authority to give orders and it is not a line of authority that flows down from the President. That’s the way that the old Soviet Union worked and it was a fatal flaw in command an control. Rather the UCMJ designates who has the ability to effect orders and it goes well past the command level.

    Here is a quote from hondo on Chronwatch. He is a retired senior officer and no friend of the President’s:

    “Title 10 of the United States Code defines the statutory roles, repsonsibilities, and authorities for the Department of Defense. Under Title 10, the Armed Services (Army, Navy, USMC, Air Force), DoD Agencies, and designated DoD officials are granted certain specific authorities and responsibilities. These specified authorities and responsibilities may be exercised without explicit Presidential direction to do so. One of those responsibilities and authorities inherent to the Armed services under Title 10 is to select and provide forces to the Combatant Commands in support of authorized combat operations. The Services need no separate Presidential approval to execute this function; it is authorized by Title 10 provided the underlying contingency operation is itself properly authorized. ”

    “In short: Lakin’s case is the result of nothing more than the Army performing business as usual. The formal authority for Operation Enduring Freedom is President Bush’s Executive Order of September 14, 2001; Congress has authorized funding to support Operation Enduring Freedom multiple times since. Accordingly, Lakin’s deployment does not trace its authority to any specific action taken by President Obama, nor does it require any specific direction or action by him. Rather, the legal basis for Lakin’s deployment is authority granted to the Army under Title 10 to provide forces in support of duly authorized combat operations. ”

    LTC Lakin was counseled about this and told what would happen if he failed to follow orders. He warned everyone that he would proceed with his failure to follow orders on youtube so he doesn’t have the dogbite defense (which is he was unable to follow the orders either because he was incapacitated or never received them) to fall back on.

    By failing to follow orders he failed in his duty. He placed his fellow soldiers in danger, deprived them of medical care, and caused another physician – who was not slated to go into harm’s way – to have to rotate out of turn into battle. He dishonored his office, he failed in his duty, and he let his country down due to a personal belief. The honorable thing to do was to resign his office, instead he decided to eschew the custom and rules of the service.

  84. avatar
    Dave October 5, 2010 at 10:48 am #

    Now that APF is apparently using donations to pay the new lawyers’ bills, what about APF’s claim that donations are tax deductible? It’s not clear that this claim is correct. Would the new lawyers have any liability for this?

  85. avatar
    BigGuy October 5, 2010 at 10:48 am #

    Dick Whitman:
    Lakin wrote letters and requested face to face meetings with superior officers demanding Obama show his credentials for eligibility.

    Perhaps it’s not the wisest thing for him to begin his defense by admitting that his posture from the start was to make demands of the President.

  86. avatar
    Daniel October 5, 2010 at 10:58 am #

    Dick Whitman:
    It’s called an “affirmative defense.” It’s a defense where the charged states he’s not guilty of the charges because he has good cause.

    Where your point fails is the “good” cause. Lakin never had “good” cause. Everry competent officer and military law expert, and court official has told him that, even before he refused movement.

    He chose to ignore the good advice of competent advisors over a fools errand.

    That is not “good” cause.

  87. avatar
    Daniel October 5, 2010 at 11:05 am #

    Dave: Now that APF is apparently using donations to pay the new lawyers’ bills, what about APF’s claim that donations are tax deductible? It’s not clear that this claim is correct. Would the new lawyers have any liability for this?

    I rather doubt that the new legal team will have anything to do with Jensen’s crowd. I suspect they will also advise Lakin not to accept any more money from the APF. At least that’s what I would advise, if I were a lawyer stepping in to pick up the pieces after an incompetent defence team. Lakin needs to cut all ties with the APF if he plans on using their incompetence as a mitigating factor in sentencing, or sueing them leter for it.

  88. avatar
    kimba October 5, 2010 at 11:52 am #

    “I’m skeptical that Lakin is surrendering.”

    Obots have correctly predicted the outcome of every case.

  89. avatar
    Dick Whitman October 5, 2010 at 12:17 pm #

    kimba: “I’m skeptical that Lakin is surrendering.”Obots have correctly predicted the outcome of every case.

    I wouldn’t call it a prediction.

    I was curious why Neal Pluckett’s named surfaced. Apparently, he’s a believer in the Hutchin’s Defense … my lawyer was dismissed so my conviction must be overturned.

    So, I’m “predicting” Lakin will be convicted without being able to obtain adequate discovery with a new lawyer. Obots will shout anyone down who dares to claim Lakin should have been allowed discovery. Later, his conviction will be overturned after Obama is out of office.

    You heard it hear first.

  90. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) October 5, 2010 at 12:24 pm #

    Dick Whitman: I wouldn’t call it a prediction.I was curious why Neal Pluckett’s named surfaced. Apparently, he’s a believer in the Hutchin’s Defense … my lawyer was dismissed so my conviction must be overturned.So, I’m “predicting” Lakin will be convicted without being able to obtain adequate discovery with a new lawyer. Obots will shout anyone down who dares to claim Lakin should have been allowed discovery. Later, his conviction will be overturned after Obama is out of office.You heard it hear first.

    None of your predictions have ever come to pass Sven. Lakin is most likely not going to be allowed discovery as the President’s eligibility has nothing to do with his orders. Lakin has a better chance of saying he’s not guilty by reason of insanity. Insane is something you have to be to believe what you birthers believe.

  91. avatar
    kimba October 5, 2010 at 12:25 pm #

    “So, I’m “predicting” Lakin will be convicted without being able to obtain adequate discovery with a new lawyer. ”

    There won’t be a trial. Lakin will plead out. Besides, nothing about Pres Obama is discoverable. It’s a straightforward case. Lakin wrote to his superiors and said “I’m concerned”, his superiors replied ” You have no need to be, follow your orders.” Lakin disobeyed orders he was told were lawful. He’s toast. Puckett was hired to get Lakin the best plea deal possible.

  92. avatar
    Daniel October 5, 2010 at 12:28 pm #

    Dick Whitman:
    I’m “predicting” Lakin will be convicted without being able to obtain adequate discovery with a new lawyer. Obots will shout anyone down who dares to claim Lakin should have been allowed discovery. Later, his conviction will be overturned after Obama is out of office.You heard it hear first.

    Well your first prediction has already failed. Lakin has been permitted adequate discovery. He’s been permitted discovery of any item or circumstance that is relevant to his case.

    Lakin should be allowed discovery, in accordance with the law. No one is disputing that except the birthers, who somehow think that being charged with an offence gives you the right to some mystical magical discovery process whereby you can use the courts to “discover” anything you wnat about anything, from the existence of the Easter Bunny, to the Lizard Men Illuminati, to Obama’s supposed infant concocted conspiracy to take over the world.

    Unfortunately for birthers, the courts have a lot of experience dealing with the delusional. So no, Lakin will not be able to pose discovery for the existence of the Easter Bunny, or any other non-relevant item.

    Lakin can pose discovery for any item that is relevant to his case.

    As to your second prediction, the only way that will come to pass if if the next President decides to suspend the Constitution and the Rule of Law. I realize that is exacty what Birthers want, but it’s not likely to happen.

    Considering that birthers have failed in every prediction they’ve made so far, and law abiding opponents of the birther fallacy have succeeded in every prediction they’ve made thus far….. what’re the odds going in?

  93. avatar
    Dave October 5, 2010 at 12:30 pm #

    Dick Whitman:
    This has been Lakins position from the beginning. And now, Obots, have got him pleading guilty and begging for mercy.I’m skeptical that Lakin is surrendering.

    Your statements seem contradictory, so I guess you’re being sarcastic about the begging for mercy part. I don’t think anyone is suggesting the LTC Lakin has stopped being a birther. As you point out, his superiors told him for 18 months that the President’s eligibility has nothing to do with the legality of his orders — he didn’t listen then, so there’s no reason to believe he’s listening now. The point is that he reportedly has acquired a real lawyer, and it is impossible that a real lawyer will continue the ridiculous birther defense. LTC Lakin probably still believes that, but his new lawyer will know that it is false.

    So it depends on your definition of “surrendering.” LTC Lakin is undoubtedly still a birther, but his hiring of a real lawyer indicates that he has accepted that his court martial has nothing to do with the President’s eligibility.

  94. avatar
    Lupin October 5, 2010 at 12:41 pm #

    Dick Whitman: adequate discovery

    I don’t think the word “adequate” means what you think it means.

    Just saying.

  95. avatar
    Rickey October 5, 2010 at 12:46 pm #

    Dick Whitman:
    Later, his conviction will be overturned after Obama is out of office.

    Lakin’s appeals won’t be resolved until 2017? I had no idea it would take that long.

  96. avatar
    mikeyes October 5, 2010 at 12:50 pm #

    Rickey: Lakin’s appeals won’t be resolved until 2017? I had no idea it would take that long.

    I think he is referring to the Watada case in which the Army dropped the case after President Obama was in office. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada. It too was a case based on the political question.

    Maybe Dick Whitman is really Sean Penn.

  97. avatar
    kimba October 5, 2010 at 12:57 pm #

    “LTC Lakin is undoubtedly still a birther”

    Is he? Was he ever? I’ve always thought he just wanted to keep from deploying to a war zone and thought he’d found a clever excuse.

  98. avatar
    BigGuy October 5, 2010 at 1:01 pm #

    mikeyes:
    .Maybe Dick Whitman is really Sean Penn.

    No, it’s Don Draper. Don’t tell anyone.

  99. avatar
    DCH October 5, 2010 at 3:40 pm #

    “The point is that he reportedly has acquired a real lawyer, and it is impossible that a real lawyer will continue the ridiculous birther defense. LTC Lakin probably still believes that, but his new lawyer will know that it is false.

    ————————————————————————————-
    Exactly – the Latkin case is unlike the other birther cases in that the birther is the DEFENDENT and cannot walk away with a dismissal, and just go back to birtherstan as the Plaintiffs have in all previous birther cases. The Army brought the case after all.

    the key words are “DEFENSE TEAM” – its the point the birthers don’t seem to get – YOUR guy is on trial, not Obama or some election official. This is a trial of a guy who also happens to be a birther. The birther part was NEVER relevant to the case, it was delusional PR job by the kooks in birtherstan.

    The “birther-phase” of the trial ended already. Hence, the new lawyers are there to get the best possible outcome for their client and will not bring up any more silly birther-arguments.

  100. avatar
    brygenon October 5, 2010 at 6:35 pm #

    AnotherBird: However, we do know that he should have disregarded Jensen’s advice.

    We really don’t. What a lawyer says about his case in public can be dramatically different from what he tells the client.

  101. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny October 5, 2010 at 8:18 pm #

    Lupin: I don’t think the word “adequate” means what you think it means.Just saying.

    It may be awkward to have a Frenchman and a Belgian discuss the intricacies of the English language, but last week I definitely heard Bruce Forsyth describe the work of the Strictly Come Dancing jury euphemistically as “adequate”. So, either Dick Whitman is Bruce Forsyth, or “adequate” has acquired the meaning of “only barely good enough to do the job” – meaning discovery that would keep Lakin out of a war zone.

    Not that Lakin will ever get “adequate” discovery, of course. He’s got a better chance to win Dancing with the Stars.

  102. avatar
    Phil Cave October 5, 2010 at 9:48 pm #

    Dick Whitman: Later, his conviction will be overturned after Obama is out of office.

    Er, Not!

  103. avatar
    Phil Cave October 5, 2010 at 9:49 pm #

    AnotherBird: Had he received only good advice and still disobeyed… We don’t actually know what advice Lakin received from Jensen.

    Actually we sort of do. On CAAFLog a very experienced civilian counsel (not me) was approached by Lakin (I think) before going with APF. Lakin was told he had a losing bad case.

  104. avatar
    Phil Cave October 5, 2010 at 9:51 pm #

    Rickey: Lakin’s appeals won’t be resolved until 2017? I had no idea it would take that long.

    I predict his appeals will be done by the end of 2011, if not sooner.

  105. avatar
    Daniel October 5, 2010 at 11:08 pm #

    I would actually be surprised if there were appeals. If this new team is as competent as they appear to be by reputation, they’l realiz that up until now, there is no basis for an appeal.

    Remember that you don’t get to have an appeal heard just because you don’t like what the judge said. An appeal can only be heard if there is evidence that the court erred in law or procedure.

    Unless Lind makes some horrible blunder sometime soon, and I don’t see that happening, I suspect the legal team will advise Lakin that there’s no basis for appeal, and that they won’t be party to it.

  106. avatar
    Rickey October 6, 2010 at 1:09 am #

    Phil Cave: I predict his appeals will be done by the end of 2011, if not sooner.

    Actually, I was taunting Dick/Sven about when Obama will be out of office. He is a member of the Orly Taitz “I’ll have him out of office in 90 days” school.

  107. avatar
    Daniel October 6, 2010 at 3:14 pm #

    So I’ve gotten a reply to my email (credit where credit is due to APF for a prompt response) and as expected it’s a long winded non-response that says nothing. I’ve posted it below, with my personal information readacted as (——-)

    _____________________________________________________________________________

    From: Margaret Hemenway
    Date: Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:07 AM
    Subject: Re: Request from the Safeguard our Constitution Website
    To: (——)

    (——), LTC Lakin worked with the Foundation over this past wk-end to ensure that our educational efforts continued and there was no disruption even given his retaining new legal counsel- we are making clear that our focus is on strategic communications, his public relations and outreach and mobilization, raising his public visibility over the next few critical weeks with court-martial only weeks away- but we are not providing his legal defense. The most important actions needed now are raising public pressure and awareness of his plight- contacting elected officials on his behalf and spreading the word to others. We are dealing with an entrenched media blockade on his issue and working diligently to surmount it– Thanks for writing- and keep the faith!

    —– Original Message —–
    From: (——)
    To: questions
    Sent: Wed Oct 06 13:48:33 2010
    Subject: Request from the Safeguard our Constitution Website

    Your Name: (——)

    Your Email: (——)

    Organization or Company:

    Phone Number: 555-555-5555

    Comment or Question: Are you folks aware that the USPU Veterans Council is now soliciting contributions for Lakin’s defence fund, and telling people NOT to send their contributions to APF?

    So who is the actual official fundraisers for our patriot LTC Lakin? Who am I supposed to be sending my donations to?

    I’m really confused here.

  108. avatar
    Arthur October 6, 2010 at 10:34 pm #

    Daniel:

    That was an telling reply from Hemenway, especially this passage, “The most important actions needed now are raising public pressure and awareness of his plight- contacting elected officials on his behalf and spreading the word to others. We are dealing with an entrenched media blockade on his issue and working diligently to surmount it.”

    Hemenway surely knows that “raising public pressure,” “contacting elected officials,” and “spreading the word,” will not have a positive effect on Lakin’s trail, and may actually antagonize the judge or members. Not surprisingly, she appears to be preying on the ignorance of potential donors in order to enrich herself.

  109. avatar
    SvenMagnussen October 7, 2010 at 4:30 am #

    Rickey:
    Actually, I was taunting Dick/Sven about when Obama will be out of office. He is a member of the Orly Taitz “I’ll have him out of office in 90 days” school.

    Orly endorses Sharron Angle and Joe Heck. The Pro-Obama media mocks and belittles the endorsement. Angle and Heck suddenly pull ahead in the polls.

    You can’t argue with success.

  110. avatar
    AnotherBird October 7, 2010 at 5:46 am #

    SvenMagnussen:
    Orly endorses Sharron Angle and Joe Heck. The Pro-Obama media mocks and belittles the endorsement. Angle and Heck suddenly pull ahead in the polls.

    You can’t argue with success.

    Interesting, the question is whether or not her endorsement will hurt them after their initial success. Don’t have anyone list the various times Orly has lost, especially her only foray into politics.

  111. avatar
    Daniel October 7, 2010 at 11:25 am #

    SvenMagnussen: You can’t argue with success.

    Especially when you make the assumption, without evidence to show, that any success they may enjoy is due to Orly’s endorsement, or that it is lasting.

    If it is due to Orly’s endorsement, it’s likely only because her rabid followers rushed over en mass to create a tiny bubble in the statistics. Birthers tend to move in herds.

  112. avatar
    Greg October 7, 2010 at 12:57 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: Orly endorses Sharron Angle and Joe Heck. The Pro-Obama media mocks and belittles the endorsement. Angle and Heck suddenly pull ahead in the polls.

    Angle’s led the race for all but a few of the past weeks. Basically, in every poll except those from around 7/15 to 9/18, Angle’s held a comfortable lead.

    And Heck’s only been polled once.

    So, please explain how you see a “sudden” pull ahead based on Orly’s endorsement.

    I’m guessing this explanation comes from the same place as the 6 year-old successfully renouncing his citizenship – Sven’s fevered imagination.

  113. avatar
    SvenMagnussen October 7, 2010 at 1:22 pm #

    Greg:
    Angle’s led the race for all but a few of the past weeks. Basically, in every poll except those from around 7/15 to 9/18, Angle’s held a comfortable lead.
    And Heck’s only been polled once.
    So, please explain how you see a “sudden” pull ahead based on Orly’s endorsement.
    I’m guessing this explanation comes from the same place as the 6 year-old successfully renouncing his citizenship – Sven’s fevered imagination.

    I see there is a Birther hit piece at Huffington Gross.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/06/steve-pearce-obama-birther-questions_n_752475.html

    Would one of you Obots inform Ms. Terkel Mario has petitioned SCOTUS? There is some other misinformation misdirection and obfuscations in the article, but I’ll see if she makes the SCOTUS correction first.

  114. avatar
    SvenMagnussen October 7, 2010 at 1:29 pm #

    Birther Congressional Candidate picks up an endorsement. What will Orly do?

    October 7, 2010 12:55 PM ET

    SANTA FE, N.M. – Former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is backing Republican congressional candidate Steve Pearce.

    Palin tweeted about Pearce and posted an endorsement Wednesday on Facebook, describing the former congressman as a “principled conservative.”

    http://www.newswest9.com/Global/story.asp?S=13285503

    Take a look at this candidate, Orly. Let us know what you think.

  115. avatar
    BigGuy October 7, 2010 at 1:39 pm #

    Hmmm … Steve Pearce, the “principled conservative,” said the other day that “at the point that [Obama] traveled to Pakistan it was not legal to go there with a U.S. passport.”

    What do you say, Sven? Is it a conservative principle to tell lies?

    Why don’t you take a look at http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1982/120782f.htm, a list of “Toasts of President Reagan and President Mohammad Zia-ul-Haq of Pakistan at the State Dinner / December 7, 1982.”

    Pres. Reagan said to Pres. Zia, “Our people already work together in significant ways through educational exchanges, tourism, economic cooperation, and through bonds of family and friendship.” The State Department confirms there was no travel ban at that time.

    What do you think? Shouldn’t Steve Pearce retract that lie before you consider him worthy of an endorsement?

  116. avatar
    Majority Will October 7, 2010 at 1:47 pm #

    Orly is irrelevant but let her embarrass the Tea Baggers and fright wing candidates as much as she can. It won’t be long before she self-destructs especially when she realizes she’s an inconsequential nuisance.

  117. avatar
    Greg October 7, 2010 at 2:08 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: I see there is a Birther hit piece at Huffington Gross.

    I asked a question. Did you answer it? This seems like a non-sequitur.

  118. avatar
    ballantine October 7, 2010 at 2:26 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: I see there is a Birther hit piece at Huffington Gross.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/06/steve-pearce-obama-birther-questions_n_752475.htmlWould one of you Obots inform Ms. Terkel Mario has petitioned SCOTUS? There is some other misinformation misdirection and obfuscations in the article, but I’ll see if she makes the SCOTUS correction first.

    .

    We can inform her that Mario, his appeal already labeled as frivolous by the 3rd circuit, is petitioning the Supreme Court to hear the sole issue of whether his client has standing. He was informed below that standing required “an injury in fact’ is an invasion of a legally protected interest which is (a) concrete and particularized and (b) actual or imminent, not conjectural or hypothetical.” To the best I can tell (and it is hard to tell what Mario is arguing), I believe Mario is trying to argue that his client’s loss of tranquility is a concrete and particularlized, not a conjectural or hypothetical, injury. Great argument. There is about zero chance that the court will consider the issue. Until they grant cert, the court is not considering the issue and the only issue they would consider is standing, not natural born status.

  119. avatar
    SvenMagnussen October 7, 2010 at 3:16 pm #

    BigGuy: Hmmm … Steve Pearce, the “principled conservative,” said the other day that “at the point that [Obama] traveled to Pakistan it was not legal to go there with a U.S. passport.”What do you say, Sven? Is it a conservative principle to tell lies?Why don’t you take a look at http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1982/120782f.htm, a list of “Toasts of President Reagan and President Mohammad Zia-ul-Haq of Pakistan at the State Dinner / December 7, 1982.”Pres. Reagan said to Pres. Zia, “Our people already work together in significant ways through educational exchanges, tourism, economic cooperation, and through bonds of family and friendship.” The State Department confirms there was no travel ban at that time.What do you think? Shouldn’t Steve Pearce retract that lie before you consider him worthy of an endorsement?

    Indonesia 88% Muslim
    Pakistan 96% Muslim

    I’d say Soebarkah is probably a Muslim.

  120. avatar
    Greg October 7, 2010 at 3:19 pm #

    SvenMagnussen: I’d say Soebarkah is probably a Muslim.

    Non-sequitur.

    More avoiding questions.

    I suspect a pattern, Sven.

  121. avatar
    SvenMagnussen October 7, 2010 at 3:55 pm #

    Good article at American Thinker, Greg.

    “A great pumpkin paper harvest begins this November 2. I have eerie premonitions of a monstrous mash of pumpkin available for an enormous American pie, baked by a new Congress with a real conservative recipe.”
    – Cindy Simpson

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/obamas_pumpkin.html

  122. avatar
    Rickey October 7, 2010 at 4:03 pm #

    SvenMagnussen:
    Would one of you Obots inform Ms. Terkel Mario has petitioned SCOTUS? There is some other misinformation misdirection and obfuscations in the article, but I’ll see if she makes the SCOTUS correction first.

    There is no correction to make. SCOTUS isn’t “considering” a birther case unless and until it grants cert. SCOUTS receives 10,000 cert petitions each year. That means that SCOTUS “considers” 10.000 cases per year? I don’t think so.

  123. avatar
    Phil Cave October 7, 2010 at 4:10 pm #

    Rickey: There is no correction to make. SCOTUS isn’t “considering” a birther case unless and until it grants cert. SCOUTS receives 10,000 cert petitions each year.

    How about, “The SCOTUS will place a frivolous presidential eligibility appeal on it’s conference calendar to determine whether or not it will grant certiorari?” Or words to that effect.

  124. avatar
    Rickey October 7, 2010 at 4:48 pm #

    Phil Cave:
    How about, “The SCOTUS will place a frivolous presidential eligibility appeal on it’s conference calendar to determine whether or not it will grant certiorari?”Or words to that effect.

    That works!

  125. avatar
    nbc October 7, 2010 at 8:01 pm #

    Don’t forget

    RC Radio for 10/7/2010

    Phil Cave from the Cave Law Firm will again be my guest to discuss the latest developments in the court martial of LTC Lakin, the Birther doc who intentionally missed a movement because he wants to see a birth certificate from his president. (Even though every court in the land would accept the one we have all already seen). That and open phone tonight on RC Radio.

    Here

  126. avatar
    BigGuy October 7, 2010 at 8:09 pm #

    @Sven: “Indonesia 88% Muslim
    Pakistan 96% Muslim

    I’d say Soebarkah is probably a Muslim.”
    __

    Outstanding logic.

    I bet 90+% of the people in Indonesia were born in Indonesia of two Indonesian parents.
    I bet 90+% of the people in Pakistan were born in Pakistan of two Pakistani parents.

    Obama was not born in Indonesia or Pakistan nor was he born to either an Indonesian or a Pakistani parent.

    Now what was your point again?

  127. avatar
    ron October 7, 2010 at 8:48 pm #

    In my humble opinion the new defense team is just a strategy to request additional time to build a defense. In the hopes that one of the current or future frivilous suits in the public courts will get lucky and that can point to it .

  128. avatar
    nbc October 7, 2010 at 8:50 pm #

    @Sven: “Indonesia 88% Muslim
    Pakistan 96% Muslim

    That’s a logical fallacy. First of all Obama was not an Indonesian but rather lived in the country from age 5-10 (IIRC), and while the prevailing religion was indeed Muslim, he did spend some time at a Catholic Private school and later at a Muslim ‘public school’. However, his mother was not particularly religious and the father appeared to have been a muslim in name only.

    So while President Obama may at best have ‘dabbled in Islam’ he is unlikely a Muslim and his own actions again appear to contradict such conclusion.

    Furthermore, the percentages do not reflect the proper sample which is a 5 year old child who immigrated from the United States, married to a mostly agnostic mother and a non-committed Muslim stepfather. Few children that age truly could be considered ‘muslim’ or ‘christian’ for that matter, as they are largely unable to make an informed decision in these matters.

    So Sven, I have to object based on logic and reason to your conclusions. An all to common occurrence I believe.

  129. avatar
    nbc October 7, 2010 at 8:53 pm #

    ron: In my humble opinion the new defense teamis just a strategy to request additional time to build a defense. In the hopes thatone of the current or future frivilous suits in the public courts will get lucky and that can point to it .

    Even a finding that President Obama was ineligible is not going to help Lakin. The order was lawful, the order was disobeyed and it was disobeyed willfully.

    Why is this so hard to comprehend?…
    Lakin failed to obey a direct order and lacking any direct knowledge that said order was unconstitutional or unlawful, Lakin is in big trouble. Since Lakin has already informed us that he was informed that his position on the eligibility of the President had no relevance to the lawfulness of the orders of his direct commanders, and even though Lakin has admitted that he was not sure, not that he was convinced that President Obama was ineligible, there remain few legal pathways open.

    What am I missing?

  130. avatar
    ron October 7, 2010 at 9:05 pm #

    I have seen many appeals done on the military and believe it or not I have seen 1 case overturned or conviction set aside in my 23 years of service,but it is a long process It was a E-9 convicted of molesting his stepdaughter,she later admitted she lied. he was set free after serving 3 years in leavenworth, he went in weighing 220 pounds came out weighing 145 pounds(it is hard time).I have never seen anyone in the military stay out of the clink while waiting appeal. Not saying its not possible but I have never seen it. Mr. Cave would probably be the one to clarify that issue. I expect that once sentenced the Mr. Lakin will not pass go but proceed to his new quarters behind bars. I do believe that the head General officers of the branches of service have the right to grant clemency( a military pardon). As in the E-9’s case it was the Commandant of the Marine Corps. But since he has embarrassed his chain of command i doubt that will happen.

  131. avatar
    ron October 7, 2010 at 9:09 pm #

    nbc: Even a finding that President Obama was ineligible is not going to help Lakin. The order was lawful, the order was disobeyed and it was disobeyed willfully.Why is this so hard to comprehend?…Lakin failed to obey a direct order and lacking any direct knowledge that said order was unconstitutional or unlawful, Lakin is in big trouble. Since Lakin has already informed us that he was informed that his position on the eligibility of the President had no relevance to the lawfulness of the orders of his direct commanders, and even though Lakin has admitted that he was not sure, not that he was convinced that President Obama was ineligible, there remain few legal pathways open.What am I missing?

    i am with you no disagreement here, I am just saying that his defense knows that as well and all they are doing now is trying to get him as many days as possible to spend with his family or be near his family before he goes to the big house in Kansas.

  132. avatar
    Majority Will October 7, 2010 at 9:27 pm #

    BigGuy: @Sven: “Indonesia 88% Muslim
    Pakistan 96% MuslimI’d say Soebarkah is probably a Muslim.”
    __Outstanding logic.I bet 90+% of the people in Indonesia were born in Indonesia of two Indonesian parents.
    I bet 90+% of the people in Pakistan were born in Pakistan of two Pakistani parents.Obama was not born in Indonesia or Pakistan nor was he born to either an Indonesian or a Pakistani parent.Now what was your point again?

    Sven and his puppets like to remind people he’s a mindless bigot. Sven is all over Freeper land spreading FUD to anyone who listen to his insane, xenophobic rambling. He’s certifiable.

  133. avatar
    misha October 7, 2010 at 9:59 pm #

    Majority Will: He’s certifiable.

    Of course. He creates multuple names on blogs, and has conversations between them. Just be happy you don’t have to work with him.

  134. avatar
    Daniel October 8, 2010 at 1:38 am #

    SvenMagnussen:
    Indonesia 88% Muslim
    Pakistan 96% MuslimI’d say Soebarkah is probably a Muslim.

    Well this Soebarkah guy, whomever he is, may or may not be a Muslim… but that really has nothing to do with President Obama.

  135. avatar
    Keith October 8, 2010 at 3:35 am #

    nbc: That’s a logical fallacy. First of all Obama was not an Indonesian but rather lived in the country from age 5-10 (IIRC), and while the prevailing religion was indeed Muslim, he did spend some time at a Catholic Private school and later at a Muslim public school’. However, his mother was not particularly religious and the father appeared to have been a muslim in name only.

    Furthermore, from Wikipedia:

    Religion plays a major role in life in Indonesia. It is stated in the first principle of the state ideology, Pancasila: “belief in the one and only God”. A number of different religions are practiced in the country, and their collective influence on the country’s political, economical and cultural life is significant.[1] As of 2007, the population was estimated as 234,693,997.[2] Based on the 2000 census, approximately 86.1% were Muslims consisting of Sufis, Shias and Sunnis, 5.7% Protestant, 3% are Catholic, 1.8% Hindu, 3.4% Buddhist and other or unspecified .[2]

    The Indonesian Constitution states “every person shall be free to choose and to practice the religion of his/her choice” and “guarantees all persons the freedom of worship, each according to his/her own religion or belief”.[3] The government, however, officially only recognizes six religions, namely Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Confucianism.[4][5]

    Between 1966 and 1998, Suharto made an effort to “de-Islamicise” the government, by maintaining a large proportion of Christians in his cabinet.

    Significant changes in religion aspect also happened during the New Order era.[12] Following an abortive coup in 1965 officially blamed on the Communist Party of Indonesia, around 1/2 million were killed in an anti-communist purge.[13] Following the incident, the New Order government had tried to suppress the supporters of PKI, by applying a policy that everyone must choose a religion, since PKI supporters were mostly atheists.[12] As a result, every Indonesian citizen was required to carry personal identification cards indicating their religion. The policy resulted in a mass religion conversions, topped by conversions to Protestantism and Catholicism (Christianity).[12] The same situation happened with Indonesians with Chinese ethnicity, who mostly were Confucianists. Because Confucianism was not one of the state recognised religions, many Chinese Indonesians were also converted to Christianity

    Ummm, gee doesn’t 1966 seem to have a significance here? Let’s see. Um 1961 + 5 ! Didn’t Obama Junior go to Indonesia when he was 5? So he was there when the Indonesians were reaching out to the minority religions to bring them more into the political mainstream. And suppressing atheism and communism. And REQUIRING people to declare their religion, even to the point of carrying around id cards.

    Wow! What a coincidence!

    And as an of topic extra bonus: (also from Wikipedia)

    Pancasila (pronounced [pantʃaˈsila]) is the official philosophical foundation of the Indonesian state. Pancasila consists of two Sanskrit words, “panca” meaning five, and “sila” meaning principles. It comprises five principles held to be inseparable and interrelated:

    1. Belief in the one and only God, (in Indonesian, Ketuhanan Yang Maha Esa).
    2. Just and civilized humanity, (in Indonesian, Kemanusiaan Yang Adil dan Beradab).
    3. The unity of Indonesia, (in Indonesian, Persatuan Indonesia).
    4. Democracy guided by the inner wisdom in the unanimity arising out of deliberations amongst representatives, and (in Indonesian, Kerakyatan Yang Dipimpin oleh Hikmat Kebijaksanaan, Dalam Permusyawaratan Perwakilan, dan)
    5. Social justice for the all of the people of Indonesia (in Indonesian, Keadilan Sosial bagi seluruh Rakyat Indonesia)