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Walter caught, Pidgeon flies

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Retired Navy Lt. Commander Walter Fitzpatrick III is reported to be in jail after  Tennessee judge Jon Blackwood ordered his arrest for failing to appear in court. Fitzpatrick has been charged with inciting a riot at the Monroe County courthouse after trying to force his into a grand jury room to make a “citizens arrest” of the grand jury foreman. Fitzpatrick claims that the grand jury is “hopelessly corrupted” and has not been cooperating with his court appearances.

The case started last year when Fitzpatrick, a retired military man whose beef with the government goes back two decades when he faced a court-martial, tried to get a Monroe County grand jury to indict Obama for treason. The grounds? Obama, Fitzpatrick contended, was not really born in the U.S.

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“These people are dangerous”

Monroe County District Attorney Jim Stutts said, “these people are dangerous” referring to Fitzpatrick, and Darren Huff who was arrested with an AK-47 in his truck, allegedly on his way to Tennessee to “take over the town” and free Fitzpatrick. Huff is facing federal charges in this matter.

Birther attorney Stephen Pidgeon who was representing Fitzpatrick has asked to withdraw from the case, refusing to give any explanation to reporters. The judge did not accept this request until Pidgeon files a proper motion, as reported by the Associated Press. Pidgeon wrote to Glenn Beck:

You are ill-informed on the “birther” issue. Barack Obama, by his own admission, was a British subject at birth. He has never denied having a Kenyan father, who himself was a British subject as a Kenyan native. This is easly established under the British Nationality Act of 1948. He is therefore disqualified to run for the office of the President, because the office is not available to subjects of other governments. The issue is very simple, and very obvious. Obama himself admitted that he wasn’t a natural born citizen when he debated Alan Keyes in 2004.

Pidgeon letter to Glenn Beck

This “admission” was supposedly a back-stage comment made to Keyes although Keyes doesn’t seem to remember it, and no recording of the incident has surfaced. Version 2 of the story is that it was  a snappy retort by Obama during the debate that some claim to have heard during live coverage of the debate on C-Span, but that did not appear in rebroadcast versions. Obama’s point in either version was that he was running for Senate, not the President (in 2004).

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91 Responses to Walter caught, Pidgeon flies

  1. avatar
    Jack October 27, 2010 at 10:20 pm #

    “The grounds? Obama, Fitzpatrick contended, was not really born in the U.S.’

    I believe there is more to this….Something about Obama ordering military troops into the town of Samson, Alabama is early 2009.

    [Obama never ordered any troops into Samson, Alabama. A local officer sent 22 military policemen to assist after a killing spree by Michael McLendon left a dozen people dead. This action was determined to be against the law which prohibits the military from performing police duties in the United States, and there were some penalties handed out for it. Obama was not involved.

    And James, you’re still banned, DOC]

  2. avatar
    misha October 27, 2010 at 10:29 pm #

    “He is therefore disqualified to run for the office of the President, because the office is not available to subjects of other governments.”

    Chester Arthur and Spiro Agnew. What are these guys going to do when Jindal runs in ’12?

  3. avatar
    Tarrant October 27, 2010 at 10:54 pm #

    I mentioned this on Berg’s site, but Thr most amusing thing to me is Fitzpatrick’s instance that the grand jury foreman is operating outside the law because the law allows only one year terms and he’d been the foreman for two decades…and courts have repeatedly said “Um…he can serve multiple terms, you know, like Congress?” Someone should tell him there are members of the House that have been members for decades too, despite the Constitution allowing only two year terms! (Not to mention recent Presidents that have served for 8 years).

  4. avatar
    Gregory October 27, 2010 at 10:58 pm #

    Misha, the men you mention are (or were) Republicans.

    So your examples have no relation at all to Obama, who is nominally a Democrat, but in reality – is a crypto-Bolshevik.

  5. avatar
    Keith October 27, 2010 at 11:40 pm #

    Gregory: Misha, the men you mention are (or were) Republicans.

    So your examples have no relation at all to Obama, who is nominally a Democrat, but in reality – is a crypto-Bolshevik.

    We live in a republic after all. Democracy is for the mobsters. 😉

  6. avatar
    Keith October 27, 2010 at 11:42 pm #

    Sorry, I lied. Most of YOU live in a repblic. I currently live in a monarchy.

  7. avatar
    obsolete October 28, 2010 at 1:18 am #

    “This “admission” was supposedly a back-stage comment made to Keyes although Keyes doesn’t seem to remember it, and no recording of the incident has surfaced.”

    I’ve never heard it referred to happening backstage before- Birthers always claim it was DURING the debate (which is why so many claim to remember it), but somehow Obama was able to scrub c-span, YouTube, and Keyes memory. Also, Keyes campaign manager has said in interviews that Obama never said any such thing.

    “Backstage” must be a new birther claim since no one sane believes the “scrubbing” nonsense. They simply decided to improve the lie.

  8. avatar
    Flipper October 28, 2010 at 6:56 am #

    Addy has it over at http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?m=20091020

    Scroll down for the quote from Keyes Campaign manager.

    Bonus material is Leo Donfrio trashing the P&E’s John Charlton.

  9. avatar
    DaveH October 28, 2010 at 7:56 am #

    obsolete: “This “admission” was supposedly a back-stage comment made to Keyes although Keyes doesn’t seem to remember it, and no recording of the incident has surfaced.”I’ve never heard it referred to happening backstage before- Birthers always claim it was DURING the debate (which is why so many claim to remember it), but somehow Obama was able to scrub c-span, YouTube, and Keyes memory. Also, Keyes campaign manager has said in interviews that Obama never said any such thing.“Backstage” must be a new birther claim since no one sane believes the “scrubbing” nonsense. They simply decided to improve the lie.

    I’m not going to go watching videos again but I think it went more off like this. Keyes said to Obama “You’re not even a natural born citizen” and Obama replied “I’m not running for president”. Personally, I’ve never found a video where these words were spoken. Just more birth BS. Pidgeon has a bird brain if he thinks British law trumps US Law.

  10. avatar
    UnionJack October 28, 2010 at 9:43 am #

    I always find it humerous that these super-patriots are so willing to abdicate the decision of who is eligible to be President of the United States to the operation of foreign law ! Merely because a child born “in” the United States could have, under the operation of foreign law (the cited “British Nationality Act of 1948”), been a citizen also of that foreign nation because of a parent’s nationality, does not affect our OWN determiniation of who is a citizen or a natural born citizen (that is, a citizen “at birth”). Otherwise, this would allow the operation of foreign law to be determinative of who is eligible to be President of the United States. As explained by the Supreme Court in Perkins v. Elg: “On her birth in New York, the plaintiff became a citizen of the United States. … In a comprehensive review of the principles and authorities governing the decision in that case — that a child born here of alien parentage becomes a citizen of the United States — the Court adverted to the “inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.”” [citing to United States v. Wong Kim Ark, supra, p. 668.] Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325, 329 (1939).

  11. avatar
    Lupin October 28, 2010 at 10:44 am #

    UnionJack: I always find it humerous that these super-patriots are so willing to abdicate the decision of who is eligible to be President of the United States to the operation of foreign law !

    They may think of themselves as “patriots” but they’re really seditious little vermin just like the brown shirts were in Germany, Italy or Spain before they actually seized power.

    When I was in high school, I visited Spain several times when Franco was still alive and having Basque students garroted. I also went to Russia but that was in the late 80s just after Gorbachev’s rise, so the ambiance was very different. Anyway, when you’ve seen the falangistas up close you learn to recognize the type.

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    Daniel October 28, 2010 at 11:10 am #

    UnionJack: I always find it humerous that these super-patriots are so willing to abdicate the decision of who is eligible to be President of the United States to the operation of foreign law !

    I’m surprised Iran hasn’t jumped on it. All you have to do is declare that all persons born on Earth are citizens of Iran, and presto…. nobody can ever be POTUS ever again.

    Yeah birthers don’t really think things through very well.

  13. avatar
    Tarrant October 28, 2010 at 11:19 am #

    UnionJack: I always find it humerous that these super-patriots are so willing to abdicate the decision of who is eligible to be President of the United States to the operation of foreign law !

    Furthermore, they seem unable to see the potential far-reaching consequences of this view – what if Iran, or the like, decreed that all people born on US soil are automatically granted Iranian citizenship? Are those people blocked from office by dint of an act by a foreign entity?

    For a group that complains that Obama plans to “Sign away our sovereignty to international courts” they are quite willing to let other nations decide who can and cannot run for office in the US.

    A common response in such things is a birther saying “Oh so answer me this – are you honestly saying that if (Pick one – Hitler, Osama bin Laden, etc.)’s wife was on a US stopover and gave birth that you’d say they were eligible? Ha! You’d want them as President?”. But it ignores the reality that eligibility is not the same as BEING ELECTED. Those people might be eligible but would voters elect them? Most felons in the US are eligible too, so what? There seems to be this birther feeling that acknowledging that sometimes people you wouldn’t ever want to vote for as otherwise eligible for the office somehow sullies the office itself, when it does no such thing.

  14. avatar
    Black Lion October 28, 2010 at 11:23 am #

    From the Post and Fail regarding the infamous Walt Fitzpatrick….The loons there so hate Obama that they would rather support a crazy criminal than the rule of law…

    Joe says:
    Thursday, October 28, 2010 at 12:25 AM
    We have to sit back and watch as people in the Judicial, Media, Government, Law Enforcement and Military break their necks looking the other way, playing the game to keep their pay checks going while America has been overthrown by a Muslim/Alien who has only shown Perkins & Coie Law Firm in Seattle, members of the “Democratic” party, members or the “Republican” party his true identity while Obama has spent over $2 million dollars of tax payers money to Perkins & Coie to keep his “records” buried and away from the public. There is no conscience of the American Civil Service worker any longer, it’s all about the pay check. In the Military we were held accountable, out here any pimp and criminal that wears a coat and tie can walk away from crime and murder with the right lawyer. Walt is only guilty of standing up in a sea of corrupted officials, illegal POTUS, criminal Judicial/Cowards inside the “system”, Hillary, Reid, Biden, Pelosi, Michelle all know what Obama is, but admitting that would be their demise. Whether prosecution will occur against these criminals/fashion show scum remains to be seen. All the Military Officers that are being persecuted by the “Government” at this time shows that they are “protecting their interests/careers” and destruction of Officers Careers/Retirement, bankrupting the economy, ruining the American Military Ethic, breaking down America to their level is all apparent. If the “Democrats” aren’t voted out this time and for a long time, America is going to pay a price for the greed, ignorance, glut and arrogance that has been flaunted by these power grabbers for years. It’s not about America, children, future, the elderly, the Veterans. It’s about the power to do whatever you want and have no blame. Irresponsible leaders are scrambling in every corner to get those power positions and once a dumbed down, ignorant, money crazed society that knows more about who is playing a position on a football team than what state they live in allows this to continue not only is this country going down hard but other free societies are going to follow. History is repeating itself. Walt has done nothing but what he was taught and trained to do, that is be responsible, stand up for what America stands for and be responsible for what you have learned. He is doing what a real Naval or Military Officer should do and that is stand up for what the Constitution was written for. Now that we have people that are trying to reinvent the wheel, which is still round, in a “New Progressive Generation” of self appointed geniuses, we have a problem. We will deal with the problem hopefully on the upcoming voting process. Since they have blocked the Grand Jury Process behind closed doors, we have only one other choice, that is to vote them out as Obama recently stated. If that doesn’t happen, at a constant job loss of about 450,000 weekly, I can see another two years of this pilfering will leave the U.S. with about 1/6 of it’s population without income. How the politicians plan to continue to draw salaries, retirement, bonuses, vacations, etc. is UNSUSTAINABLE from the current revenue, not to mention two years down the road. In the meantime, the criminals are lining their pockets, pork programs are continuing business as usual. Looking at history, which is a bad word to the “Newbies” trying to impress adolescence as a substitute for experience, we are repeating many bad paths that may lead to eventual social repression which in America, is not a good idea. Veterans, college students and most citizens will not tolerate it leading to mass violence. Obama would like nothing more than for that to happen. All tyrants love challenge. Most tyrants have ended up not outliving their age of corruption. We will have to wait and see what unfolds here while good men like Walt, LTC Lakin and other professional Military Officers bite the dust for standing against corrupted officials and a social order that is decaying by the minute. When will American citizens stand up and take back the “Government” for the people?

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/10/27/fbi-investigation-open-fitzpatrick-arrested/

  15. avatar
    Black Lion October 28, 2010 at 11:28 am #

    Why do they continually address this loon as if he is still in the military….He was an average at best Naval officer that misused funds….Why is he such a hero? Because he is standing up to the rightfully elected President of the US?

    “As of 9:50 p.m. EDT, The Post & Email has just spoken with LCDR Walter Francis Fitzpatrick, III, who was arrested today at his home on a charge of “failure to appear” at a hearing last Friday of which he claims he was not notified. Fitzpatrick is being held in the Monroe County detention facility.

    Fitzpatrick reported that there were four officers who used a taser on him “over and over and over” and that “they tried to rip off my left ear. I don’t know how much of it is left.” He states that he is unable to use his right arm and that “they came out with the intent to hurt me. They broke down the door. It was a battle. They didn’t stop.”

    The Post & Email contacted the detention facility earlier and inquired as to Fitzpatrick’s state of health and was told, “He’s fine.” When we asked if he were injured, the woman dispatcher answered, “No, not that I know of.”

    Fitzpatrick stated that a nurse came to the jail with an x-ray machine and took x-rays of his shoulders and ribs. He reports that the ribs on his right side are still sore and that he was beaten over the head. He also said that he has facial contusions.

    “It was an ambush,” he said. “I resisted them. They hit me pretty hard.”

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/10/27/monroe-county-gestapo-beat-and-taser-retired-naval-commander/

  16. avatar
    Black Lion October 28, 2010 at 11:34 am #

    On the thread regarding Andy Martin’s free vacation to Hawaii….

    rick says:
    Monday, October 25, 2010 at 4:04 AM
    If ALL of the plaintiffs and such ( this guy , Phil Berg , Alan Keyes , etc ) would join together ie. share info and help each other . Maybe this darn suit would make it . But , each of them seems bound and determined to “be the one” and it sucks ! If the “real issue” with them was the constitution and obama , that is exactly what they would be striving to do . Even this page has it proverbial head up its ass and ignores the point . Just keeps yelling about what “the post has done” “what the post believes” and “what the post has found” . Put all your brilliant minds together , all your supporters and put your damn egos aside and beat this S.O.B. !!!!

    johnny says says:
    Sunday, October 24, 2010 at 10:40 PM
    i will not send andy martin one cent. he continues to say that obama was born in honolulu when there is no birth place for him there. also not one person comes forward knowing anything about obamas birth in hawaii. he also denies there was an indonesian adoption for obama. phillip berg has his school records from indonesia . they read nationality indonesian religion muslim etc

    Jesse says:
    Monday, October 25, 2010 at 6:29 AM
    Johnny one of the problems wth our movement is the dissaray caused by people competing rather than working together. Most people already realized Obama is a muslim. That document Berg presented did more harm than good, because it told us nothing new about Obama and it also states Obama was born in Hawaii! I am constantly getting that thrown at me by Obots!

    What was the point? What good did it do? Phil was so pleased with himself he released it without thinking thru to the unintended consequences’ of his action.

    There is no co-operation between the leaders’ of our movement!

    I doubt Dr Orly would work with Andy Martin because of certain elements of his history, Dr Orly and Phil Berg are having a huge battle (unrelated to the eligibility movement, but involving several other fighters of the good fight ) in court, Lucas Smith defamed Orly and undermined her case in front of Judge Carter, the whole RAP thing drew off hundreds of people who had previously spent *all their time* focussing on eligibility issues…the list goes on and on…and on.

    Personally I think Andy is grandstanding with this conference’. If I could see any evidence that Conferences 1 and 2 achieved anything then I would support it, but money is spread thin and I have donated all I could to LTC Lakin’s defense. If the Military Lawyers are to be believed, then Lakin could lose his pension and even his right to practise medicine as a civilian – his needs are greater at this time!

    I wish all the leading members of the Eiligibility Movement would get together and book a conference room, thrash out their differences, and agree to a unified strategy.

    David B says:
    Saturday, October 23, 2010 at 7:29 PM
    I’ve been a follower of Andy Martin for a long time. I just sent him $50.00 and I’d suggest that, all of you who can afford it, do the same. If there’s a cause that deserves it, this is it. I just wish I were in a position to attend the conference.
    Good luck, Mr. Martin… give em hell!!

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/10/23/conference-on-obama-to-be-held-november-9-16-in-honolulu/

  17. avatar
    sfjeff October 28, 2010 at 11:56 am #

    Black Lion- thanks again for posting the dreck from the Birthers sites. Its kind of fascinating sickening like stumbling across poorly lit bad home made porn.

    But what they say confirms what we all know- they care nothing about the truth- and only about finding material to use against the President. Look how they complain about Martin releasing some document that says Obama was born in Hawaii- they don’t complain that he is wrong, they complain that he said it.

  18. avatar
    Lupin October 28, 2010 at 12:01 pm #

    Any message I would be tempted to post on the postemail would start with “My name is Abdul Abdul and I am a French Muslim Communist who hates America,…” That’s the only way to engage them. No compromise. Show me what you’ve got, honkey 🙂

  19. avatar
    Scott Brown October 28, 2010 at 12:08 pm #

    misha: ”Chester Arthur and Spiro Agnew. What are these guys going to do when Jindal runs in ’12?

    Agnew’s father was naturalized prior to Spiro’s birth. Look it up. It’s bit tricky to find, but it’s out there.

  20. avatar
    Scott Brown October 28, 2010 at 12:19 pm #

    DaveH:
    I’m not going to go watching videos again but I think it went more off like this. Keyes said to Obama “You’re not even a natural born citizen” and Obama replied “I’m not running for president”. Personally, I’ve never found a video where these words were spoken. Just more birth BS. Pidgeon has a bird brain if he thinks British law trumps US Law.

    Even if the video exists, it doesn’t prove anything. ALL Politicians lie as a general rule and will always say whatever helps them at that precise moment in time – truth has nothing to do with it whatsoever. If, at the time, stating he was born on Mars would have helped him, that’s what he would have said – doesn’t mean he actually was just because he said it.

    I don’t think Pidgeon or any of the birthers think British Law trumps US Law – it has to do with personal allegiance….as in how can someone be born a citizen of two countries thus dual allegiances be a natural born citizen of either country?

    The one question you would never have to ask a Natural Born Citizen – which country do you have allegiance to as there would only be one country from which to pick, not two as in Obama’s case.

    If circumstances make that a valid question, then he is not a NBC.

  21. avatar
    Scott Brown October 28, 2010 at 12:22 pm #

    UnionJack: that a child born here of alien parentage becomes a citizen of the United States

    Yes, but Jack – we are talking about a NBC, not a US Citizen…..perhaps you have missed the fact that they are two different classifications.

  22. avatar
    Majority Will October 28, 2010 at 12:24 pm #

    Scott Brown:

    SQUAWK

    Nothing to see here.

    Just another idiotic, meaningless, irrelevant post from a paranoid lurker and drooling birther coward.

    Too bad you can’t fix stupid.

  23. avatar
    Majority Will October 28, 2010 at 12:26 pm #

    Scott Brown:
    Yes, but Jack – we are talking about a NBC, not a US Citizen…..perhaps you have missed the fact that they are two different classifications.

    Thanks for proving you don’t know Jack.

  24. avatar
    Scott Brown October 28, 2010 at 12:28 pm #

    Daniel: I’m surprised Iran hasn’t jumped on it. All you have to do is declare that all persons born on Earth are citizens of Iran, and presto…. nobody can ever be POTUS ever again.
    Yeah birthers don’t really think things through very well.

    I guess you failed to think through the fact that in order for it to make a damn, at least one of these citizen’s parents would have needed to have actually been an Iranian citizen…..you know the way that Obama’s father (according to Obama) was a British Citizen. That little detail sorta kinda makes a BIG difference.

    This is a very old ad hominem argument. I’m wondering exactly who didn’t think things through very well. 🙂

  25. avatar
    JoZeppy October 28, 2010 at 12:29 pm #

    Scott Brown: Yes, but Jack – we are talking about a NBC, not a US Citizen…..perhaps you have missed the fact that they are two different classifications.

    There are two classifications…naturalized, and natural born. US citizen is a general term that encompasses both (you know, kinda like all collies are dogs, but not all dogs are collies).

    So as we can safely conclude that a child born in the US has never been naturalized, it is pretty safe to say that they are a NBC.

  26. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) October 28, 2010 at 12:31 pm #

    Scott Brown: Even if the video exists, it doesn’t prove anything. ALL Politicians lie as a general rule and will always say whatever helps them at that precise moment in time – truth has nothing to do with it whatsoever. If, at the time, stating he was born on Mars would have helped him, that’s what he would have said – doesn’t mean he actually was just because he said it.I don’t think Pidgeon or any of the birthers think British Law trumps US Law – it has to do with personal allegiance….as in how can someone be born a citizen of two countries thus dual allegiances be a natural born citizen of either country? The one question you would never have to ask a Natural Born Citizen – which country do you have allegiance to as there would only be one country from which to pick, not two as in Obama’s case. If circumstances make that a valid question, then he is not a NBC.

    And Sally Hill returns after saying over 3 times she’s not coming back. Over and over again you’ve shown yourself to look unknowledgeable and yet you keep repeating the same discredited BS. You are confusing what the meaning of allegiance is. It is clear his allegiance is to the country he was born in, America. He didn’t ever visit his father’s country until later in life and he’s shown he hasn’t had a clear allegiance to it. There’s also the problem that other presidents and vice presidents and candidates were born dual citizenship by virtue of other countries laws.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) October 28, 2010 at 12:32 pm #

    Scott Brown: Yes, but Jack – we are talking about a NBC, not a US Citizen…..perhaps you have missed the fact that they are two different classifications.

    Maybe you missed the fact that Minor V Happersett stated there are only two ways citizens in this country are made either Natural Born or Naturalized. You can’t be born here and be naturalized.

  28. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) October 28, 2010 at 12:34 pm #

    Scott Brown: I guess you failed to think through the fact that in order for it to make a damn, at least one of these citizen’s parents would have needed to have actually been an Iranian citizen…..you know the way that Obama’s father (according to Obama) was a British Citizen. That little detail sorta kinda makes a BIG difference.This is a very old ad hominem argument. I’m wondering exactly who didn’t think things through very well.

    Yet many countries recognize as citizens children born 2 generations down. Also several presidents, candidates, and VPs had fathers or mothers with citizenship from other countries.

  29. avatar
    JoZeppy October 28, 2010 at 12:36 pm #

    Scott Brown: I guess you failed to think through the fact that in order for it to make a damn, at least one of these citizen’s parents would have needed to have actually been an Iranian citizen…..you know the way that Obama’s father (according to Obama) was a British Citizen. That little detail sorta kinda makes a BIG difference.This is a very old ad hominem argument. I’m wondering exactly who didn’t think things through very well.

    Why would one parent have to be born in Iran? The argument is that one cannot be a dual citizen and NBC. A nation is free to make any citizenship laws it wants (and they do). If they want to declare everyone on the planet a citizen of their nation, they can do so (unless birthers are now claiming that de Vatell is some super national law that every nation is bound by). So if the US is able to ignore dual citizenship in that intance, there is nothing barring them from ignoring it in others.

    But then again, you don’t have any evidence that dual citizens can’t be a NBC anyway, so it’s all a moot point. How about citing some actual case law on the subject.

  30. avatar
    JoZeppy October 28, 2010 at 12:41 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Yet many countries recognize as citizens children born 2 generations down. Also several presidents, candidates, and VPs had fathers or mothers with citizenship from other countries.

    Actually, I know of one country where the line is limitless, and it’s not a question of the individual claiming citizenship, the nation claims the individuals as citizens.

    Polish citizenship is granted to any child of a citizen of Poland (1 parent). The nation is strictly jus sanguinis in citizenship laws. In a marriage of mixed citizens, if the child be granted citizenship via the other parent, the parents may revoke the child’s citizenship in favor of the other only in the child’s first 6 months. A child may revoke either their citizenship, or their parents revokation of citizenship in the first 6 months after reaching the age of 18. Beyond those two times, the only way to revoke Polish citizenship is by petition to the President of Poland, who almost never grants the request.

    So, are you saying that a person of Polish decent can never be president?

  31. avatar
    Majority Will October 28, 2010 at 1:15 pm #

    Scott Brown:
    I guess you failed to think through the fact that in order for it to make a damn, at least one of these citizen’s parents would have needed to have actually been an Iranian citizen…..you know the way that Obama’s father (according to Obama) was a British Citizen.That little detail sorta kinda makes a BIG difference.This is a very old ad hominem argument. I’m wondering exactly who didn’t think things through very well.

    You must be a real un-American traitor and putrid douche to think that another nation’s laws trump U.S. law and its declaration and domain over natural born citizenship.

    Do you work for Hamas or the Taliban?

  32. avatar
    Daniel October 28, 2010 at 1:20 pm #

    Scott Brown: I guess you failed to think through the fact that in order for it to make a damn, at least one of these citizen’s parents would have needed to have actually been an Iranian citizen…..you know the way that Obama’s father (according to Obama) was a British Citizen. That little detail sorta kinda makes a BIG difference.This is a very old ad hominem argument. I’m wondering exactly who didn’t think things through very well.

    I wonder how long we will have to wait before you get the joke

  33. avatar
    Whatever4 October 28, 2010 at 1:22 pm #

    I DID listen to the tape of the Keyes/Obama debate. Here’s the source of all the chatter:

    OBAMA: I don’t need Mr. Keyes lecturing me about Christianity. That’s why I have a pastor. That’s why I have my Bible. That’s why I have my own prayer. And I don’t think that any of you are particularly interested in having Mr. Keyes lecture you about your faith.

    What you’re interested in is solving problems like jobs, and health care, and education. I’m not running to be the minister of Illinois. I’m running to be its United States Senator.

    http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcript.php?id=370
    http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/184058-1 at 45:30

  34. avatar
    Origuy October 28, 2010 at 1:57 pm #

    Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a Russian nationalist politician, has advocated forcibly retaking Alaska. Suppose he were to be elected President (unlikely,he got 9.5% in the last election). Then he declares that all persons born in Alaska are automatically citizens of Russia. He’s crazy enough to do that. Would that make Sarah Palin’s kids ineligible for the US Presidency?
    Sounds like it would according to the dual citizen birfers.

  35. avatar
    racosta October 28, 2010 at 2:02 pm #

    What you’re interested in is solving problems like jobs, and health care, and education. I’m not running to be the minister of Illinois. I’m running to be its United States Senator.
    .
    hey, give the birthers a break, if they can’t distort and lie they have nothing, so give them an inch will ya! (or 7).

  36. avatar
    DaveH October 28, 2010 at 2:29 pm #

    Whatever4: I DID listen to the tape of the Keyes/Obama debate. Here’s the source of all the chatter:OBAMA: I don’t need Mr. Keyes lecturing me about Christianity. That’s why I have a pastor. That’s why I have my Bible. That’s why I have my own prayer. And I don’t think that any of you are particularly interested in having Mr. Keyes lecture you about your faith.What you’re interested in is solving problems like jobs, and health care, and education. I’m not running to be the minister of Illinois. I’m running to be its United States Senator.http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcript.php?id=370http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/184058-1 at 45:30

    Thanks for that. I know I never listened to the debate and I probably read something from a birfer blog to get the words they twisted into their own meaning.

    What would happen if birfers actually were able to get their case before a judge? When they started releasing all of their ‘evidence’, it would easily be proven as made up. It doesn’t take the reading of the transcript of Orly’s case before Judge Land to understand why he referred to Orly as Alice in Wonderland…

  37. avatar
    misha October 28, 2010 at 2:44 pm #

    Scott Brown: Agnew’s father was naturalized prior to Spiro’s birth. Look it up. It’s bit tricky to find, but it’s out there.

    “And like Barack Obama, Agnew’s father was not a U.S. citizen when Agnew was born. To evidence this, I offer the Agnew family’s entry in the 1920 U.S. Census (see lines 72-75), where just three lines above the entry for one-year-old Spiro Agnew, Theodore Agnew’s citizenship is clearly listed as “Alien”:

    “And yet, Agnew was never accused of not being a natural born citizen. Nor was his Constitutional eligibility ever challenged on the grounds of his father’s citizenship. Nor was his eligibility ever doubted on the grounds that he may have possibly inherited Greek citizenship through his father.”

    http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2010/01/spiro-agnew.html

  38. avatar
    JoZeppy October 28, 2010 at 2:58 pm #

    misha: “And like Barack Obama, Agnew’s father was not a U.S. citizen when Agnew was born. To evidence this, I offer the Agnew family’s entry in the 1920 U.S. Census (see lines 72-75), where just three lines above the entry for one-year-old Spiro Agnew, Theodore Agnew’s citizenship is clearly listed as “Alien”:“And yet, Agnew was never accused of not being a natural born citizen. Nor was his Constitutional eligibility ever challenged on the grounds of his father’s citizenship. Nor was his eligibility ever doubted on the grounds that he may have possibly inherited Greek citizenship through his father.”http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2010/01/spiro-agnew.html

    A birther making stuff to support their positions? What a shock!

  39. avatar
    Rickey October 28, 2010 at 3:04 pm #

    Scott Brown: as in how can someone be born a citizen of two countries thus dual allegiances be a natural born citizen of either country?The one question you would never have to ask a Natural Born Citizen – which country do you have allegiance to as there would only be one country from which to pick, not two as in Obama’s case.If circumstances make that a valid question, then he is not a NBC.

    You just can’t stay away, can you?

    Here’s one for you. I know a guy who was born in my home town of two U.S. citizen parents, thereby making him indisputably a natural born citizen. However, his grandmother was born in Ireland, making him eligible for Irish citizenship. In college he was a four-year starter for a Division One basketball team. After graduation he played professional basketball in Europe. While there he decided to try to play in the Olympics and he was contacted by the Irish national team. The catch was that to play for the Irish team he had to become a citizen of Ireland. So he got the paperwork together regarding his grandmother’s birth, applied for and was granted dual citizenship. He didn’t make it to the Olympics, but he did play for the Irish national team. He did not renounce his U.S. citizenship.

    During the off season his lives in the U.S., he is registered to vote in the U.S., he has a U.S. passport, and he married a woman who is a natural-born U.S. citizen. He was born in the U.S. to two citizen parents, and she was born in the U.S. to two citizen parents.

    If they have a child who is born in the United States, will the child be eligible to be President? If your answer is “no,” please cite a citizenship case which supports your position.

  40. avatar
    Majority Will October 28, 2010 at 3:21 pm #

    Scott Brown:
    Agnew’s father was naturalized prior to Spiro’s birth. Look it up. It’s bit tricky to find, but it’s out there.

    Do you have credible evidence? Do you know what that means? I don’t think you do.

    For example, copying and pasting from an anonymous birther blog is not credible.

  41. avatar
    BatGuano October 28, 2010 at 3:34 pm #

    i’ve got another brain teaser for scott brown. i was born a dual citizen ( US/UK ). i let my UK citizenship lapse in my early 20’s. recently i started debating regaining my dual status and found out that not only am i eligible but… so is my 4 year old daughter. both me and mom were US citizens at the time of her birth. so….:

    is my daughter a NBC ?

    if i do get her dual citizenship does she lose her NBC status through no action of her own ?

    can my daughter become president ?

  42. avatar
    Majority Will October 28, 2010 at 4:05 pm #

    BatGuano: i’ve got another brain teaser for scott brown. i was born a dual citizen ( US/UK ). i let my UK citizenship lapse in my early 20′s. recently i started debating regaining my dual status and found out that not only am i eligible but… so is my 4 year old daughter. both me and mom were US citizens at the time of her birth. so….:is my daughter a NBC ?if i do get her dual citizenship does she lose her NBC status through no action of her own ?can my daughter become president ?

    Birthers have their own laws and Constitution scribbled in crayon and it’s spelled Consti2tion.

  43. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) October 28, 2010 at 4:26 pm #

    BatGuano: i’ve got another brain teaser for scott brown. i was born a dual citizen ( US/UK ). i let my UK citizenship lapse in my early 20′s. recently i started debating regaining my dual status and found out that not only am i eligible but… so is my 4 year old daughter. both me and mom were US citizens at the time of her birth. so….:is my daughter a NBC ?if i do get her dual citizenship does she lose her NBC status through no action of her own ?can my daughter become president ?

    You’re making the mistaken assumption that Sally Hill has a brain to be teased to begin with

  44. avatar
    dunstvangeet October 28, 2010 at 4:50 pm #

    Scott Brown:
    Agnew’s father was naturalized prior to Spiro’s birth. Look it up. It’s bit tricky to find, but it’s out there.

    There’s conflicting evidence, Scott Brown. A 1920s Census Record shows that Theodore Spiros Agnew was an Alien, and shows Spiro Agnew as a 1-year-old baby. However, a 1930 census record shows his father as having been Naturalized.

    Like I said, the evidence is conflicting. At the very least, there is a 1920 Census Record that shows that Theodore Agnew is an “Alien”. If the same thing happened with Obama, the birthers would be touting that as the holy grail, while completely ignoring the other evidence.

    Like I said, mind finding me a discussion of Spiro Agnew during the 1968 or 1972 Campaigns that says that he was investigated to determine whether his father was a citizen or not a citizen during his birth? And mind finding me one piece of evidence that anybody actually gave a rat’s behind one way or the other?

  45. avatar
    Keith October 28, 2010 at 5:32 pm #

    .

    DaveH: What would happen if birfers actually were able to get their case before a judge? When they started releasing all of their evidence’, it would easily be proven as made up.

    Do you think Judge Judy could out bluster Orly?

  46. avatar
    HORUS October 28, 2010 at 5:32 pm #

    Scott Brown: If circumstances make that a valid question, then he is not a NBC.

    It’s NOT a valid question!

  47. avatar
    gorefan October 28, 2010 at 5:37 pm #

    Scott Brown: The one question you would never have to ask a Natural Born Citizen – which country do you have allegiance to as there would only be one country from which to pick, not two as in Obama’s case.

    Of course, we know exactly what James Madison thought:

    “It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will, therefore, be unnecessary to investigate any other.” James Madison, 1789

    And he tells us it is not necessary “to investigate any other” criterion of allegiance!

  48. avatar
    DaveH October 28, 2010 at 6:27 pm #

    Keith: .Do you think Judge Judy could out bluster Orly?

    That would make a good show. Judge Judy with the worst attorney in the world arguing her case. I have a feeling that Judge Judy would not let Orly FEEENISH.

  49. avatar
    JoZeppy October 28, 2010 at 6:51 pm #

    dunstvangeet: There’s conflicting evidence, Scott Brown. A 1920s Census Record shows that Theodore Spiros Agnew was an Alien, and shows Spiro Agnew as a 1-year-old baby. However, a 1930 census record shows his father as having been Naturalized.Like I said, the evidence is conflicting. At the very least, there is a 1920 Census Record that shows that Theodore Agnew is an “Alien”. If the same thing happened with Obama, the birthers would be touting that as the holy grail, while completely ignoring the other evidence.Like I said, mind finding me a discussion of Spiro Agnew during the 1968 or 1972 Campaigns that says that he was investigated to determine whether his father was a citizen or not a citizen during his birth? And mind finding me one piece of evidence that anybody actually gave a rat’s behind one way or the other?

    Where is the conflict? Evidence points to Theodore Agnew being naturalized some time between 1920 and 1930. As Spiro Agnew was born in 1918, the exact date of his father’s naturalization between 1920 and 1930 wouldn’t really matter.

  50. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy October 28, 2010 at 7:49 pm #

    obsolete: “This “admission” was supposedly a back-stage comment made to Keyes although Keyes doesn’t seem to remember it, and no recording of the incident has surfaced.”I’ve never heard it referred to happening backstage before- Birthers always claim it was DURING the debate (which is why so many claim to remember it), but somehow Obama was able to scrub c-span, YouTube, and Keyes memory. Also, Keyes campaign manager has said in interviews that Obama never said any such thing.“Backstage” must be a new birther claim since no one sane believes the “scrubbing” nonsense. They simply decided to improve the lie.

    This is the Post & Email’s version of the story:
    http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/obama-concedes-hes-not-a-nbc-in-obama-vs-keyes-2004-debate/

  51. avatar
    Keith October 28, 2010 at 10:51 pm #

    Doc, just so you know your headline writing skills haven’t gone unnoticed, I’ll relate this off topic true story.

    When I was growing up in Tucson, there was some nutter who kept writing graffiti all over town that said “Fred Rules”. It went on for years, and nobody caught the guy or figured out what he was on about. Was his name Fred or was he just a big fan of Fred? Whatever. Mystery was never solved.

    But then one day somebody added a new message to one of the most prominent “Fred Rules” tags in the city, on a rail bridge over the busiest street leading into downtown.

    The new message added: “but Claude reigns”.

    The retort stopped the spread of “Fred Rules” completely.

  52. avatar
    Arthur October 29, 2010 at 1:03 am #

    Keith: .
    Do you think Judge Judy could out bluster Orly?

    Judge “The Justin8er” Judy, vs. Orly “The Blond Bomber” Taitz. Oh, God, would that be a great fight card. Probably sell better than MMA. They could have it as pay-per-view with all profits going to support the Home for Disbarred Layers.Who would win? Orly has training in tae kwon do to support her belligerent eyelashes, while Judy is a street fighter with plenty of low kicks and sharp elbows. God knows what she’s got stashed under that lace collar, but some people claim it’s a piece of half-inch steel plate disguised as a potato latke.

  53. avatar
    misha October 29, 2010 at 2:05 am #

    Arthur: some people claim it’s a piece of half-inch steel plate disguised as a potato latke.

    Are you talking about my ex’s cooking?

  54. avatar
    brygenon October 29, 2010 at 2:18 am #

    Fake Scott Brown: ALL Politicians lie as a general rule and will always say whatever helps them at that precise moment in time – truth has nothing to do with it whatsoever.

    That’s called “projecting”.

  55. avatar
    brygenon October 29, 2010 at 2:24 am #

    Fake Scott Brown: UnionJack: that a child born here of alien parentage becomes a citizen of the United States

    Yes, but Jack – we are talking about a NBC, not a US Citizen…..perhaps you have missed the fact that they are two different classifications.

    UnionJack has it right.

    “The Constitution’s rule that the president be ‘a natural born citizen’ focuses not on where a person became a citizen, but when. To be eligible, one must be born a citizen rather than naturalized at some later date.” — Akhil Reed Amar http://www.slate.com/id/2183588/

  56. avatar
    Lupin October 29, 2010 at 3:23 am #

    As I pointed out when Mario was here, their definition of NBC exactly matches that of the founding documents of the Ku Klux Klan.

    Scott Brown is just another hooded moron who wants to exclude jews, blacks, browns, macacas, dagos and other dubious Mediterranean types, slavs, asian, non-christian and other types from their little utopia as not being “real” Americans.

    Scott Brown, spokesman for the Klan.

  57. avatar
    obsolete October 29, 2010 at 4:05 am #

    Keith: The new message added: “but Claude reigns”.

    Claude Rains was a brilliant actor…
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001647/

  58. avatar
    Keith October 29, 2010 at 6:58 am #

    obsolete:
    Claude Rains was a brilliant actor…
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001647/

    Yup.

  59. avatar
    Judge Mental October 29, 2010 at 4:48 pm #

    One of my favourite graffitti from all those years ago was the reply to the ubiquitously scrawled “Jesus Saves” on walls in Manchester Uk.

    It read “but Denis scores from the rebound” (Denis Law being a famous goal scoring soccer player of the era).

  60. avatar
    misha October 29, 2010 at 4:57 pm #

    Judge Mental: “Jesus Saves”

    Jesus saves, but Moses invests.

  61. avatar
    richCares October 29, 2010 at 5:56 pm #

    scribbled next to the giant “Jesus Saves” sign was written “Green Stamps”

  62. avatar
    misha October 29, 2010 at 5:58 pm #

    richCares: scribbled next to the giant “Jesus Saves” sign was written “Green Stamps”

    YES!!

  63. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP October 29, 2010 at 11:23 pm #

    Rickey: Walter Fitzpatrick’s mug shot:http://www.wbir.com/news/article/140184/2/TN-man-who-wanted-Pres-Obama-indicted-for-treason-arrested-for-failure-to-appear-in-court

    Looks like ol Walt bumped his head recently. lol

  64. avatar
    Arthur October 30, 2010 at 9:11 am #

    Among the comments generated by WBIR’s report of Fitzpatrick’s arrest, comes this remarkably inarticulate contribution from “Betty Latham”–an apparent Fitzpatrick Patriot: “I think he knows what he is saying.It has to be true or he wouldn’t be doing it.There is nobodys listen.I think people need to stop read and listen to what he has to say.What is wrong with listing.I’m sorry his in Jail for something he believes in. WHY IS PEOPLE NOT LISTING.”

    When, late at night, you close your leather-bound copy of The Federalist Papers and ask for the umpteenth time, “How is it possible that there are people who still believe the birthers?” remember Betty’s logic–“It has to be true or he wouldn’t be doing it.”

  65. avatar
    Majority Will October 30, 2010 at 11:12 am #

    Arthur: WHY IS PEOPLE NOT LISTING.”

    From port to starboard? What is wrong with listing?

  66. avatar
    Sef October 30, 2010 at 11:31 am #

    Majority Will:
    From port to starboard? What is wrong with listing?

    I didn’t know we were on a beam reach.

  67. avatar
    Majority Will October 30, 2010 at 12:31 pm #

    Sef:
    I didn’t know we were on a beam reach.

    Something a birther will never fathom. They are much too shellfish.

  68. avatar
    Mike October 30, 2010 at 2:50 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    Yet many countries recognize as citizens children born 2 generations down. Also several presidents, candidates, and VPs had fathers or mothers with citizenship from other countries.

    In fact, a 20thC Prime Minister of the UK was a Canadian – the rather unfortunately-named Bonar Law. Although in fairness, this was when we still owned Canada…

  69. avatar
    mystylplx October 30, 2010 at 4:12 pm #

    brygenon: UnionJack has it right.“The Constitution’s rule that the president be a natural born citizen’ focuses not on where a person became a citizen, but when. To be eligible, one must be born a citizen rather than naturalized at some later date.” — Akhil Reed Amar http://www.slate.com/id/2183588/

    Interesting to note that Samuel Johnson’s “A Dictionary of the English Language,” which was published in 1755 and was the most prestigious dictionary around at that time, lists the words “natural” and “native” as synonyms. Vattel himself explicitly used them as synonyms (“indigenes” most commonly translated as “natives.”)

    http://www.archive.org/details/dictionaryofengl02johnuoft

  70. avatar
    Keith October 30, 2010 at 9:17 pm #

    Majority Will:
    Something a birther will never fathom. They are much too shellfish.

    The fact that she has the same last name as me, really takes the wind out of my sails.

  71. avatar
    Majority Will October 30, 2010 at 9:56 pm #

    Keith:
    The fact that she has the same last name as me, really takes the wind out of my sails.

    I would say better Latham never but no . . .

  72. avatar
    ellid October 30, 2010 at 11:25 pm #

    misha:
    Jesus saves, but Moses invests.

  73. avatar
    ellid October 30, 2010 at 11:25 pm #

    Jesus saves, but Gretzky scores on the rebound.

  74. avatar
    Majority Will October 31, 2010 at 12:45 am #

    ellid: Jesus saves, but Gretzky scores on the rebound.

    And Ellid will be the most beautiful and honest contributor of the truth.

    I’m only sorry I can’t give you a hug. And you too Doc.

  75. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) October 31, 2010 at 1:57 am #

    ellid: Jesus saves, but Gretzky scores on the rebound.

    Well unless you’re playing call of duty because jesus respawns in 3 days… He had very bad lag

  76. avatar
    Keith October 31, 2010 at 3:02 am #

    Mike:
    In fact, a 20thC Prime Minister of the UK was a Canadian – the rather unfortunately-named Bonar Law. Although in fairness, this was when we still owned Canada…

    Robert Menzies of Australia had delusions that he was going to go to the UK and unseat Churchill during the war.

  77. avatar
    Reality Check October 31, 2010 at 8:24 am #

    Most of the posters at The Pee & Eee are none too happy with Pidgeon. The Dame Truth is about the only one sticking up for poor Stephen. Sharon Rondeau says “However, as a serious news site, The Post & Email will not report on anything until we have all of the facts backed up by evidence.”

    It bet even she was laughing when she typed that. 🙂

    This is the same Sharon Rondeau that for a week has printed only Walter’s version of the arrest without corroboration including the whopper that he almost had his ear torn off when the mug shot shows clearly otherwise.

  78. avatar
    ellid October 31, 2010 at 2:57 pm #

    Majority Will:
    And Ellid will be the most beautiful and honest contributor of the truth.I’m only sorry I can’t give you a hug. And you too Doc.

    *beams*

  79. avatar
    Black Lion November 1, 2010 at 10:10 am #

    WND Finds A Creepy New Poster Boy To Whitewash
    Topic: WorldNetDaily

    WorldNetDaily just keeps latching onto people it thinks are poster boys for its far-right agenda, whose questionable backgrounds WND must then bury in order to make the poster-boy stuff plausible. WND did it first with a homeschooling family run by a controlling, abusive father, and then with a Oath Keepers member who’s a suspect in a child abuse case.

    Now, WND has found another piece of work to champion, the full truth about whom it must once again hide. From an Oct. 28 WND article by Brian Fitzpatrick:

    Filing a complaint about President Obama’s eligibility has led retired Navy Lt. Cmdr. Walter Fitzpatrick III into some very deep waters.

    The 58-year-old Naval Academy graduate is now paying the price for fighting City Hall. Fitzpatrick was arrested Wednesday for missing a court date, and he now sits in jail after allegedly being beaten and tasered by Monroe County, Tenn., deputies.

    “I’ve been told he’s been beaten up pretty good, enough to require X-rays,” freelance reporter J.B. Williams told WND.

    So Brian Fitzpatrick has essentially claimed that Walter Fitzpatrick was jailed for questioning Obama’s “eligibility.” Only that’s not the case.

    After a lot of conspiracy-mongering about purported “corruption in the county courts and sheriff’s office,” as exemplifed by the claim that “state law places a two-year limit on the term of a grand jury foreman, but Monroe County grand jury foreman Gary Pettway has occupied the office for 27 years” — really, that’s the only actual alleged offense cited — Brian Fitzpatrick finally hints at the truth in the 18th paragraph of his article: “In April, Fitzpatrick attempted to execute a citizen’s arrest of Pettway at the county courthouse, resulting in his own arrest for allegedly inciting a riot.”

    Fortunately, the Associated Press tells the story that WND won’t — specifically, that the jailing of Walter Fitzpatrick had nothing at all to do with his birther tendencies:

    Fitzpatrick is charged along with Darren W. Huff, 40, a former militia member from Dallas, Ga., accused of inciting a riot at the Monroe County Courthouse in April while coming to Fitzpatrick’s defense after Fitzpatrick’s intrusion on the closed grand jury session.

    Huff, who also faces related federal charges, was among about a dozen armed people who gathered at the courthouse. Records show Huff had said that he and others planned to take over the courthouse in Madisonville and arrest “domestic enemies of the United States engaged in treason.”

    Fitzpatrick disrupted the grand jury in a failed attempt to arrest Gary Pettway, who Fitzpatrick claims was unlawfully serving as foreman after serving continuously for almost three decades.

    Blackwood previously dismissed a defense motion that Fitzpatrick and Huff were indicted by a “tainted” grand jury process and refused to dismiss felony and misdemeanor charges that include civil rights intimidation.

    Ironically, Brian Fitzpatrick links to this very same AP article — but only for the puprose of repeating the claim by a local district attorney who “said in a previous court filing that rulings in such challenges of grand juror qualifications show there is ‘no limit on the number of two-year terms for which a foreman may be reappointed.'” The rest of the article is completely ignored.

    This is the state of journalism at WND. Recent hire Brian Fitzpatrick has demonstrated all too well his ability to live down to those standards.

    http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/blog/

  80. avatar
    Black Lion November 1, 2010 at 10:28 am #

    Reality Check: Most of the posters at The Pee & Eee are none too happy with Pidgeon. The Dame Truth is about the only one sticking up for poor Stephen. Sharon Rondeau says “However, as a serious news site, The Post & Email will not report on anything until we have all of the facts backed up by evidence.”It bet even she was laughing when she typed that. This is the same Sharon Rondeau that for a week has printed only Walter’s version of the arrest without corroboration including the whopper that he almost had his ear torn off when the mug shot shows clearly otherwise.

    Exactly…Like this poster…

    Alicia Fitzpatrick says:
    Sunday, October 31, 2010 at 4:55 PM
    I just called the jail. They said he was “fine”. He can receive mail as long as there is a return address on it and money can be put on his books if sent by money order. I have a Writ of Habeas Corpus form printed out that I’m going to mail to him along with the $5 fee for petition. I’ll send a bit more to make sure he has commissary. Next stop, the TN FBI! Anything else I can do, let me know.

    thinkwell says:
    Sunday, October 31, 2010 at 10:20 PM
    Hello Alicia,

    Are you, perchance, related to Lt. Cmdr. Fitzpatrick (or just coincidence of name)?

    If you are, would you be so kind as to relate what you know about his alleged (by a military attorney Obama supporter) legal interactions with the port commission in Kitsap County of Washington State? (Is this bogus? The Obama supporter claims that among an arm’s-length of on-record legal interactions with the system, “Fitzpatrick [was] escorted from a Port of Tracyton meeting by sheriff’s deputies, to applause from the 20 residents attending.”) Is this true?

    What I am wondering is that perhaps because of the way he was ambushed by the Navy, the Lt. Commander has somewhat of a chip on his shoulder and, although with every good intention of following the what’s right and “staying within the lines” ends up being somewhat provocative to the establishment. (Not that this is at all an excuse for the establishment to break the rule of law, but wondering if this dynamic may be at play here.)

    If you are related and know that this is hogwash, then I apologize profusely, but in lieu of hard facts, I am trying to read between the lines, because the story as we know it does not add up.
    ——————-
    Mrs. Rondeau replies: I am no relation of LCDR Fitzpatrick, but I do know that a lot of misinformation has been spread about him in Kitsap County, WA. Those involved in his court-martial seem to be the perpetrators from the evidence which Fitzpatrick has presented to me. Those he accuses of spreading the misinformation are not willing to say anything on the record or provide any documentation to The Post & Email.

    Leo Patrick Haffey says:
    Sunday, October 31, 2010 at 10:59 AM
    As many of you know, I was falsely imprisoned as a Political Prisoner for 60 days in Nashville, TN jails. The BHO cohorts did their best to try and kill me by witholding my Blood Pressure medication and putting me in 50 man cells with violent inmates. I was lucky to survive.

    It sounds like Walt is also in danger from both the inmates and the jailers.

    As in my case, there is no legal justification for Walt’s bond being revoked. I urge his supporters to file a Writ of Habeas Corpus. If Walt’s Writ is denied, then his case should be quickly appealed to Federal Court in Knoxville. He has no chance of preparing his defense while in jail with attorney Pidgeon in Washington withdrawing from his case.

    While in jail I hand drafted a Writ of Habeas Corpus for myself, you can find a copy of my Writ of Habeas Corpus here:

  81. avatar
    Judge Mental November 1, 2010 at 10:33 am #

    richCares: scribbled next to the giant “Jesus Saves” sign was written “Green Stamps”

    Speedy Gonzales wouldn’t buy his tequila without ’em.

  82. avatar
    Black Lion November 1, 2010 at 4:39 pm #

    Fitzpatrick taken into custody

    After rumors of standoffs and barricades, Sweetwater resident Walt Fitzpatrick was arrested Wednesday morning with only a minimum of fighting, according to police.

    Monroe County Sheriff’s Detective Mike Morgan said initially the plan wasn’t to arrest Fitzpatrick Wednesday morning, but just to observe him and see if there was any danger present.

    But, Morgan said, Fitzpatrick came out of his house on May Street, spotted the officers watching him and took off running.

    “It was a fight and he’s very stout,” Morgan said. “We had to really fight to get him into the car to take him to the jail.”

    Once he was in the car, Deputy Chase Nipper said Fitzpatrick still refused to cooperate and had to be Tasered twice before he would sit upright. Nipper said once he arrived at the jail, he was very calm and exited the patrol vehicle without any complaint.

    Morgan said he suffered some bruised ribs while fighting with Fitzpatrick and was taken to the emergency room for treatment, but was otherwise unhurt.

    “He wasn’t ready for a fight and neither were we,” Morgan said. “He did have his front door boarded up, but we didn’t have to chase him into the house. We actually wanted to get him in a traffic stop, but he’s not driving much anymore and then he spotted us and tried to run and there was nothing else we could do.”

    Fitzpatrick is facing several charges, including interrupting a grand jury proceeding, inciting a riot, disorderly conduct, two counts resisting arrest, retaliation for past actions, failure to appear in court and assault on an officer.

    He has long stated President Obama is serving illegally and tried to get him indicted. Fitzpatrick is scheduled to stand trial Dec. 1.

    http://advocateanddemocrat.com/story/21078

  83. avatar
    Reality Check November 2, 2010 at 2:22 pm #

    Black Lion: Fitzpatrick taken into custody …
    But, Morgan said, Fitzpatrick came out of his house on May Street, spotted the officers watching him and took off running.

    The official account seems to differ quite a bit from the one published previously by Sharon Rondeau.

  84. avatar
    Bovril November 2, 2010 at 2:59 pm #

    Don’t forget his Assault and Resisting Arrest were added as two bright shiny new charges as well. Slapping about a police office is generally not looked on too well alas for Fitzie.

    Oh and there was the whole…”DEFIANT AND DAUNTLESS” spiel which ended up being…..RUN AWAY!!!!!!

    I am coming to the view, based on Sharon Rondeau’s breathless prose and fawning that she has something of a girlie crush on Fitzie, I do trust she remembers his Domestic Violence charges.

    Moving on, the Pest and Fails readers response to this climactic Konstitutional Krisis is providing gobbets of fun and sunshine.

    The general themes are two fold

    1. The Pidge, his lawyer (judge denied his severance request) is now regarded as a vile Obot and Traitor

    2. The nefarious and wicked people of Tennessee need to be taken down by the FBI….Yes the self same organization that Birfoons rail and rant against as….wait for it….wait for it….Vile Obot’s and Traitors.

    The cross eyed insanity is truly a joy to behold.

    Anyway back of to Gretawire to chit chat with my favoritest friend Squeeky or as I prefer to term her based on her apparent “daddy” issues, “Electra the Freaky”.

    TTFN

  85. avatar
    Daniel November 2, 2010 at 3:01 pm #

    Reality Check: The official account seems to differ quite a bit from the one published previously by Sharon Rondeau.

    You say that like it would be a surprise…..

  86. avatar
    Reality Check November 2, 2010 at 7:19 pm #

    Daniel: You say that like it would be a surprise…..

    No. The surprise would be if Rondeau told the truth, even once.

  87. avatar
    Black Lion November 3, 2010 at 9:35 am #

    Reality Check: No. The surprise would be if Rondeau told the truth, even once.

    Rondeau wouldn’t know the truth if it bit her on the keister….Her dislike for Obama is bordering on pathalogical….

  88. avatar
    ellid November 4, 2010 at 11:14 am #

    Bovril: I am coming to the view, based on Sharon Rondeau’s breathless prose and fawning that she has something of a girlie crush on Fitzie,

    Methinks Sharon is probably preparing to hang herself with her own harp strings after the Tea Party went down in flames in Connecticut on Tuesday. Linda McMahon in particular got a sound spanking despite pouring something like $40 million of her own money into her campaign, which shows that the people of the Nutmeg State are smarter than one would think.

    I wonder how good ol’ Jake2D, aka Jake Dorn, aka Jake the Liar, is faring over at WaPo? He’s a relentless birther and reactionary nut, and is convinced that the President is an illegal alien. He was also planning to campaign for McMahon down in the New London area….

  89. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) November 4, 2010 at 11:44 am #

    ellid: Methinks Sharon is probably preparing to hang herself with her own harp strings after the Tea Party went down in flames in Connecticut on Tuesday. Linda McMahon in particular got a sound spanking despite pouring something like $40 million of her own money into her campaign, which shows that the people of the Nutmeg State are smarter than one would think.I wonder how good ol’ Jake2D, aka Jake Dorn, aka Jake the Liar, is faring over at WaPo? He’s a relentless birther and reactionary nut, and is convinced that the President is an illegal alien. He was also planning to campaign for McMahon down in the New London area….

    I’m just glad there’s a positive here. McMahon and Whitman gave a lot back to the economy for once.

  90. avatar
    Majority Will November 4, 2010 at 11:53 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    I’m just glad there’s a positive here.McMahon and Whitman gave a lot back to the economy for once.

    Maybe we should have monthly elections. Think of the stimulus! I doubt the SCOTUS would mind.