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29 Responses to Birthervision – Kerchner on Lakin Trial

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    NBC December 15, 2010 at 1:59 am #

    This thing hurts even with my hearing aid out.

    Trust me, listen to the ‘arguments’ is even more painful

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    Slartibartfast December 15, 2010 at 3:45 am #

    Wow, that takes excruciating to whole new levels. Listening to CDR Kerchner’s account and reading Dr. Kate’s account it is clear that birtherism can seriously alter people’s perceptions…

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    Sean December 15, 2010 at 7:36 am #

    I can sympathize with Lakin. I refused to follow orders until I knew if Paul McCartney was really dead.

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    The Magic M December 15, 2010 at 7:43 am #

    Sean, how many people did your “Paulathon” rally for the premiere of “Nowhere Boy” tally? You should have protested that the movie “evades the issue” of whether Paul is really a natural dead citizen. 😉

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    Bovril December 15, 2010 at 10:30 am #

    Breaking info from CAAF

    “One other note: Pastor Manning, one of the birthers attending the trial, left the courtroom escorted by security and has not returned. No word on what prompted his departure.”

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    James M December 15, 2010 at 10:47 am #

    Bovril: Breaking info from CAAF“One other note: Pastor Manning, one of the birthers attending the trial, left the courtroom escorted by security and has not returned. No word on what prompted his departure.”

    I’m going to be sad when the circus ends.

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    misha December 15, 2010 at 11:32 am #

    Bovril: Breaking info from CAAF“One other note: Pastor Manning, one of the birthers attending the trial, left the courtroom escorted by security and has not returned. No word on what prompted his departure.”

    Um, because he’s a multiple felon, who kept running his mouth?

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    DaveH December 15, 2010 at 11:39 am #

    Bovril: Breaking info from CAAF“One other note: Pastor Manning, one of the birthers attending the trial, left the courtroom escorted by security and has not returned. No word on what prompted his departure.”

    I look forward to his long rambling rant that I’m sure will be posted on YouTube to discuss why he was ‘really’ removed from the court, complete with some squealing “Weeeeee’s” that always make me think that some hillbilly is shoving his pecker up into his ass from under his desk as he speaks.

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    Black Lion December 15, 2010 at 12:02 pm #

    From TPP Muckraker….

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/birther_army_doctors_supporters_soldier_on_despite.php

    “During the trial, 55-year-old Lakin supporter Kate Vandemoer, a blogger and hydrologist from North Dakota, literally rose with the officer when he offered his guilty plea, according to Maureen Dowd of the New York Times.

    Another supporter, 76-year-old retired Air Force officer and doctor Eldon Bell of S.D., told the newspaper he “drove three days through a damn blizzard just to get here.” Bell compared the president to Adolf Hitler and said that if Obama is not legitmate “our soldiers serving under him can be tried and hanged like the Nazis at Nuremberg.”

    Supporters also backed Lakin on a Facebook page set up to thank him for his stand.

    “You are a true and honorable man, Lt, Col Lakin, I admire you for standing your ground, its a shame and disgrace, that you were even brought up on charges and obomb still has not proven his legitimacy, What had this country gone to ?? islam?? YES,” wrote one supporter.

    “A very sad day. Our country, our Constitution, our freedoms, our way of life are being trampled on and flipped upside down by FRIGGING COMMUNISTS!” wrote another supporter on a separate Facebook page.

    If Lakin is found guilty, he could be forced to forfeit his pay, which totals $7,959 a month.”

    And in the comments this was interesting…

    kspin
    46 minutes ago
    I did a quick google search, and found that Kate Vandemoer has been a federal government employee as recently as 2008. I can’t confirm that she still works for NOAA, but if she does, and still feels that Obama isn’t a legitimate president, then isn’t it her duty as an American to not take orders from him as well?

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    misha December 15, 2010 at 12:07 pm #

    Black Lion: if she does, and still feels that Obama isn’t a legitimate president, then isn’t it her duty as an American to not take orders from him as well

    “We only have principles when our stomachs are full.”

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    Black Lion December 15, 2010 at 12:27 pm #

    The Post and Fail spin on Lakin…Note the unwillingness to accept the fact that Barack Obama is the President….Love the Orwell references….

    “In a move reminiscent of George Orwell’s 1984, Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin has pleaded guilty to “four specifications of refusing to obey lawful orders” during a hearing held on December 14 at Ft. Meade, MD.

    On March 30, 2010, Lakin had announced his refusal to obey orders on the grounds that Obama might not be a “natural born Citizen” as required by the U.S. Constitution to serve as President and Commander-in-Chief of the military. However, in an apparent contradiction, Lakin or his surrogates have referred to Obama as the “President.”
    ……..

    Every single avenue of redress: the courts, the legislative branch, and the executive branch – and by extension, the U.S. military – have been closed to We the People. What does that mean for the U.S. Constitution?

    Do we now have a pure dictatorship?

    If Obama, who appears at the top of the military chain of command along with Defense Secretary Robert Gates, is not eligible to occupy the position of commander-in-chief, then how is it that Lakin today “stood before Judge Lind and over and over told her that he was wrong to have disobeyed his orders, which were lawful”?

    Does two plus two make five? Are there any “hard facts” anymore, or are facts constantly being altered to protect Big Brother?

    Does “The Truth Matters” now mean that War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, and Ignorance is Strength?
    ……….

    What kind of threat did Col. Denise Lind pose to Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin? If Obama is a fraud, which the military must know, why did Lakin plead guilty? Of what is he guilty if Obama is a fraud? How could he be guilty?

    Was there any authority to hold a court-martial without a legitimate commander-in-chief? Why did Attorney Neal Puckett apparently fail to bring that up at the hearing? If there was no authority, why did it even commence?

    What changed between March 30, 2010 and December 14, 2010? How much does anyone “need” attorneys like these? Are they all about advising their clients to take plea deals rather than uncovering the truth? What do they know of the U.S. Constitution and its provisions for a legitimate commander-in-chief? Was Puckett’s defense of Lakin based on constitutional principles or something else, like money?

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/12/15/is-the-u-s-now-ruled-by-military-dictatorship/

    m02 says:
    Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 6:23 AM
    This is exactly what I feared when Mr. “I’m a retired Army Big Shot” Vallely stuck his nose under the tent and convinced Lakin to dump Hemenway and go with that fevered metro-sexual Southern Poverty Law Center look-a-like Puckett.

    Lakin has probably been isolated and under unrelenting pressure to change his stance from one of principle to one of plea bargaining for months. As soon as he did that he was lost. The only viable outcome of this farce of a trial was for him to stand convicted, go to prison, and then not only appeal but become the focus of Congressional hearings. By pressuring Lakin into pleading guilty on any charge Mr. Valley and Puckett achieved their aim of neutralizing all of his efforts.

    It is not that difficult to confuse and mis-lead honest people in areas where they have little or no expertise; nor is it that difficult to make an offer most honest men with families and friends can not refuse. Even Ross Perot blinked when they attacked his daughter during his campaign for the presidency. The world is an ugly place and it takes luck and exceptional fortitude – or just plain cussedness, to survive in such a maelstrom.

    My best wishes for Col. Lakin, and God bless the United States, we are going to need it.

    Outraged says:
    Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 2:47 AM
    Mrs. Rondeau,

    I know how you feel! Perhaps Col. Lakin figured he needed his $2 million pension and time with his young children more than we needed someone to stand up against the Usurper? Are there no heroes left? Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you!

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    G December 15, 2010 at 12:57 pm #

    Black Lion: The Post and Fail spin on Lakin…Note the unwillingness to accept the fact that Barack Obama is the President….Love the Orwell references….

    Shorter Post & Fail, summarized: *waaaaaagh!*

    Nothing but the rants of a bunch of delusional sore losers who refuse to understand how the real world and the laws work…

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    ellid December 15, 2010 at 1:10 pm #

    And they had the nerve to quote Paul Simon….

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    Majority Will December 15, 2010 at 1:15 pm #

    Black Lion: What do they know of the U.S. Constitution and its provisions for a legitimate commander-in-chief?

    Lunatic.

    “The world is an ugly place . . . ”

    And yet another recently refurbished irony meter explodes.

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    HORUS December 15, 2010 at 1:16 pm #

    Black Lion: It is not that difficult to confuse and mis-lead honest people in areas where they have little or no expertise;

    How apropos!

    They fail to see that they are the ones who have been confused and mislead!

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    Black Lion December 15, 2010 at 1:17 pm #

    ellid: And they had the nerve to quote Paul Simon….

    ellid, I saw that…Amazing…

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    Black Lion December 15, 2010 at 1:28 pm #

    HORUS: How apropos!They fail to see that they are the ones who have been confused and mislead!

    Horus, agreed. Especially Butterdezillion…Others were debating her lack of knowledge over at the other link but here she just shows her general lack of any kind of common sense….Look at her nonsense posts from FR…

    To: pnh102
    No. He is pleading guilty because there is no expectation of justice from the United States military. The best he can hope for is to just get this over with as quickly as possible so he can appeal in the civilian courts the fact that his due process and 6th Amendment rights were grossly violated.

    8 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:47:58 PM by butterdezillion

    The military deserted him. He went through the proper channels to find out the lawfulness of the orders being given by Obama, and every person in the military who had the responsibility of following up is guilty of DERELICTION OF DUTY at the least because they refused to even check into it.

    I just got done watching “Valkyrie” for the first time yesterday. I know which character fits you perfectly. The one who showed unswerving allegiance to “Der Fuhrer”.

    17 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:54:55 PM by butterdezillion

    AP is dead wrong on this though. Hawaii officials CANNOT say they have records proving where Obama was born, because the BC that Hawaii has is not legally valid. The State itself is forbidden to say what the facts of Obama’s birth are, because they have no records that they trust to be accurate – according to HRS 338-17.

    The word that Fukino used was “verifying”. She has seen the vital records VERIFYING that Obama was born in HI. The word “verify” means to swear. There is a record in Hawaii swearing that Obama was born in Hawaii. To PROVE is something totally different, though it’s understandable that the AP would make this mistake. They should correct it though.

    20 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:00:15 PM by butterdezillion

    The retired military brass are afraid that if the issue of whether Obama can “act as President” is pushed when the military leadership this corrupt, there will be a bad precedent set.

    And already, the military judge has said that the Constitutional status of the President is irrelevant to combat orders. That’s a scary precedent right there. If you take that precedent to its logical conclusion, Lakin’s brigade commanders could also have ordered him to deploy for combat operations in Iran, and it would be “irrelevant” whether a valid Commander-in-Chief had ever authorized combat in Iran.

    See, the whole case that the military is making is that it doesn’t MATTER whether there is a valid President who authorized combat operations in Afghanistan, because brigade commanders can give all these smaller orders that, when combined, accomplish military combat without there having to be authorization from “the President” (who is given the sole authority to “use force” in the war on terrorism).

    And that is a serious, serious claim that should have the military folks saying WTH???!!

    23 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:07:44 PM by butterdezillion

    Lakin is charged with violating Article 92, which covers 2 different kinds of orders.

    Article 92(1) regards general orders and regulations. Lakin’s orders are not general orders, but specific, direct orders to him.

    Article 92(2) regards orders that aren’t chargeable under Article 90, 91, or 92(1). If a person can be charged under Article 90, 91, or 92(1) they can’t be charged under 92(2)

    Article 90 regards lawful orders from a superior commissioned officer. The orders Lakin is accused of disobeying are direct orders from a Lt Col and 2 Col’s – all superior commissioned officers.

    Lakin can be charged under Article 90 so it is not lawful for him to be charged under Article 92(2)

    How can he lawfully be charged under Article 92?

    He can’t, and that tells you how much the United States military cares about lawfulness. If they treat something is clear-cut as this with such disregard, what makes you think they are treating anything else with earnestness?

    29 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:16:27 PM by butterdezillion

    This makes me want to spit on the United States military. I have never been so ashamed of this country at any point in my life. To have to sit down and grovel before Lind, to try to convince her that she’s holding up 3 fingers when he knows she’s holding up 1, is reminiscent of George Orwell’s “1984”.

    I can’t stand this.

    40 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:35:07 PM by butterdezillion

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    Black Lion December 15, 2010 at 1:29 pm #

    Black Lion: Horus, agreed. Especially Butterdezillion…Others were debating her lack of knowledge over at the other link but here she just shows her general lack of any kind of common sense….Look at her nonsense posts from FR…To: pnh102No. He is pleading guilty because there is no expectation of justice from the United States military. The best he can hope for is to just get this over with as quickly as possible so he can appeal in the civilian courts the fact that his due process and 6th Amendment rights were grossly violated.8 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:47:58 PM by butterdezillion The military deserted him. He went through the proper channels to find out the lawfulness of the orders being given by Obama, and every person in the military who had the responsibility of following up is guilty of DERELICTION OF DUTY at the least because they refused to even check into it.I just got done watching “Valkyrie” for the first time yesterday. I know which character fits you perfectly. The one who showed unswerving allegiance to “Der Fuhrer”.17 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:54:55 PM by butterdezillion AP is dead wrong on this though. Hawaii officials CANNOT say they have records proving where Obama was born, because the BC that Hawaii has is not legally valid. The State itself is forbidden to say what the facts of Obama’s birth are, because they have no records that they trust to be accurate – according to HRS 338-17.The word that Fukino used was “verifying”. She has seen the vital records VERIFYING that Obama was born in HI. The word “verify” means to swear. There is a record in Hawaii swearing that Obama was born in Hawaii. To PROVE is something totally different, though it’s understandable that the AP would make this mistake. They should correct it though.20 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:00:15 PM by butterdezillion The retired military brass are afraid that if the issue of whether Obama can “act as President” is pushed when the military leadership this corrupt, there will be a bad precedent set.And already, the military judge has said that the Constitutional status of the President is irrelevant to combat orders. That’s a scary precedent right there. If you take that precedent to its logical conclusion, Lakin’s brigade commanders could also have ordered him to deploy for combat operations in Iran, and it would be “irrelevant” whether a valid Commander-in-Chief had ever authorized combat in Iran.See, the whole case that the military is making is that it doesn’t MATTER whether there is a valid President who authorized combat operations in Afghanistan, because brigade commanders can give all these smaller orders that, when combined, accomplish military combat without there having to be authorization from “the President” (who is given the sole authority to “use force” in the war on terrorism).And that is a serious, serious claim that should have the military folks saying WTH???!!23 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:07:44 PM by butterdezillionLakin is charged with violating Article 92, which covers 2 different kinds of orders.Article 92(1) regards general orders and regulations. Lakin’s orders are not general orders, but specific, direct orders to him.Article 92(2) regards orders that aren’t chargeable under Article 90, 91, or 92(1). If a person can be charged under Article 90, 91, or 92(1) they can’t be charged under 92(2)Article 90 regards lawful orders from a superior commissioned officer. The orders Lakin is accused of disobeying are direct orders from a Lt Col and 2 Col’s – all superior commissioned officers.Lakin can be charged under Article 90 so it is not lawful for him to be charged under Article 92(2)How can he lawfully be charged under Article 92?He can’t, and that tells you how much the United States military cares about lawfulness. If they treat something is clear-cut as this with such disregard, what makes you think they are treating anything else with earnestness?29 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:16:27 PM by butterdezillion This makes me want to spit on the United States military. I have never been so ashamed of this country at any point in my life. To have to sit down and grovel before Lind, to try to convince her that she’s holding up 3 fingers when he knows she’s holding up 1, is reminiscent of George Orwell’s “1984”.I can’t stand this.40 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:35:07 PM by butterdezillion

    Here is the link…

    http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-news/2642492/posts?page=40#40

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    Majority Will December 15, 2010 at 1:49 pm #

    Black Lion: BZ drooled, “I can’t stand this.”

    Then leave. Today. Or at least quit your job as a school teacher.

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    Black Lion December 15, 2010 at 1:54 pm #

    BZ is getting eviserated over at FR for her comment regarding spitting on the military…It was so bad that old Jim Robinson even had to call her out…And then he posted this gem, which was surprising….

    To: wintertime
    Hey, it’s not the military’s job to determine the natural born status of the president of the United States. But it is their job to carry out the commander in chief’s orders. Let’s not go overboard with our conspiracy theories.

    159 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 3:29:37 PM by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)

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    Black Lion December 15, 2010 at 2:02 pm #

    Black Lion: BZ is getting eviserated over at FR for her comment regarding spitting on the military…It was so bad that old Jim Robinson even had to call her out…And then he posted this gem, which was surprising….To: wintertimeHey, it’s not the military’s job to determine the natural born status of the president of the United States. But it is their job to carry out the commander in chief’s orders. Let’s not go overboard with our conspiracy theories.159 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 3:29:37 PM by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)

    To: usmcobra
    Got news for you. Military officers do not have quite the luxury of picking and choosing which orders to follow. If they fail to obey on grounds that an order is unlawful, then they’d best be lawyered up and if found in the wrong, they’ll have plenty of time to think about it.

    Lakin was making a political protest based on conspiracy theory. Not a wise move.

    We may not like it, bur Obama IS the President of the United States and the Commander-in-chief. And the war is authorized by the United States Congress. Do not ask our military officers to get caught up in political conspiracy theory.

    181 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 3:46:08 PM by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)

    To: butterdezillion
    Got news for you too. Military officers do not have quite the luxury of picking and choosing which orders to follow. If they fail to obey on grounds that an order is unlawful, then they’d best be lawyered up and if found in the wrong, they’ll have plenty of time to think about it.

    Lakin was making a political protest based on conspiracy theory. Not a wise move.

    We may not like it, bur Obama IS the President of the United States and the Commander-in-chief. And the war is authorized by the United States Congress. Do not ask our military officers to get caught up in political conspiracy theory.

    Lakin screwed up big time and is now going to pay the consequences.

    The military is not the place for POLITICAL PROTESTS!! PERIOD!!

    186 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 3:48:49 PM by Jim Robinson

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    gorefan December 15, 2010 at 7:36 pm #

    Black Lion: It was so bad that old Jim Robinson

    Of course, Jim Robinson also added that President Obama is a Communist/Marxist who is destroying the country. I think he may be playing to his audience. I got to figure he knows the President is no more a communist/marxist then Presidents Washington or Adams. But you never know.

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    ellid December 15, 2010 at 8:17 pm #

    Oh man. Lakin is a MORON. He lipped over to his CO in the run-up to missing movement. He is DOOMED.

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    misha December 15, 2010 at 9:43 pm #

    ellid: Oh man. Lakin is a MORON. He lipped over to his CO in the run-up to missing movement. He is DOOMED.

    Do you have a link? I only watched 3 minutes of that awful video.

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    James M December 15, 2010 at 9:52 pm #

    misha:
    Doyou have a link? I only watched 3 minutes of that awful video.

    It’s from the “You had your chance” element of the testimony.

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    Black Lion December 16, 2010 at 9:17 am #

    gorefan: Of course, Jim Robinson also added that President Obama is a Communist/Marxist who is destroying the country. I think he may be playing to his audience. I got to figure he knows the President is no more a communist/marxist then Presidents Washington or Adams. But you never know.

    You are probably right…But to see Robinson rip into BZ was quite interesting…Although like you have indicated that in no way gives Robinson a pass with his ridiculous anti government and Obama rantings….

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    aarrgghh December 16, 2010 at 9:30 am #

    gorefan:
    Of course, Jim Robinson also added that President Obama is a Communist/Marxist who is destroying the country.I think he may be playing to his audience.

    given that a large part of his audience are vets, active duty, militia and military wannabees and groupies, i think ol’ butterball put a scare into a ’til-now tolerant jimrob’s paypal button.

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    gorefan December 16, 2010 at 10:18 am #

    Black Lion: But to see Robinson rip into BZ was quite interesting

    aarrgghh: given that a large part of his audience are vets

    I agree, I was surprised that he got into the discussion not just with Butter, but other inmates who supported her position. And I’m sure it was because of there overtop rhetoric against the military. And their hope for some type of military coup.

    Also, it was interesting to see that butter believes that someone went around to all the libraries (not just the ones in Hawaii) and changed the microfilm copies of the Honolulu newspapers that carried the President’s birth announcements. She declared that you can see where the announcements were spliced in.

    Such lunacy.

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    Black Lion December 16, 2010 at 10:36 am #

    gorefan: I agree, I was surprised that he got into the discussion not just with Butter, but other inmates who supported her position. And I’m sure it was because of there overtop rhetoric against the military. And their hope for some type of military coup.Also, it was interesting to see that butter believes that someone went around to all the libraries (not just the ones in Hawaii) and changed the microfilm copies of the Honolulu newspapers that carried the President’s birth announcements. She declared that you can see where the announcements were spliced in. Such lunacy.

    Agreed also. Butter is just nuts. Even others over at freeperville have noted that her analysis is ridiculous….She is like all Polarik and every other birther….She needs people to believe in her nonsense and when they don’t it drives her crazy. Her disconnect is that she thinks she is smarter than everyone and because she is able to read, she is more knowledgable on subjects like the law than real lawyers and constitutional experts…