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Arizona birther bill dead?

According to the East Valley Tribune, that is exactly the case. Senate Bill 1525 (very similar to House Bill 2544) was voted down in committee with a 5-3 vote that included 3 Republicans voting with the majority. The House bill has yet to receive a hearing.

“I think it’s inappropriate for the state of Arizona to establish its own criteria for a federal office that goes beyond what the (U.S.) Constitution requires,” said Sen. John McComish, R-Phoenix. And Sen. Adam Driggs, R-Phoenix, said this could create a situation where each of the 50 states would be screening presidential candidates using different standards.

Kudos to the East Valley Tribune for including the nutty details in the Arizona bill, like sworn statements that the candidates’ parents were US citizens.

H/t to James, the banned commenter, for the link. Of course James (writing as John) says the bill was voted down because both Republicans and the Democrats know Obama is ineligible, each covering it up for different reasons. πŸ™„

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25 Responses to Arizona birther bill dead?

  1. avatar
    Daniel February 15, 2011 at 12:09 pm #

    “Of course James (writing as John) says the bill was voted down because both Republicans and the Democrats know Obama is ineligible, each covering it up for different reasons.”

    But ultimately both are beholden to their lizard men overlords…..

    The stupid….. it burns

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    US Citizen February 15, 2011 at 12:22 pm #

    Sure that’s not SB1526 instead of 1525?
    (OFGS has it as 1526)

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    obsolete February 15, 2011 at 4:11 pm #

    The nuts are out in the comment thread there, including borderraven…

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    Black Lion February 15, 2011 at 4:16 pm #

    obsolete: The nuts are out in the comment thread there, including borderraven…

    The nuts are not happy…Besides borderraven and the steady dripper himself Sam Sewell, this guy is really off his rocker…

    “peacenuke posted at 6:08 am on Tue, Feb 15, 2011.
    Obama admits — by definition — that he is not a “natural born citizen” in his autobiography and on his website. His birth certificate is not Obama’s definitive eligibility issue. However, this Arizona bill is about verfication of (!) citizenship (!) for future candidates. How can any American be against that unless they do not believe in (U.S) national sovereignty? Question authority. Investigate it yourself. As for Obama, his nationality was once Indonesian (established fact). His college records are not available at all anywhere. Did he receive aid as a foreign student? Which SSN did he use to register for selective service? What date did he register? If you honestly investigate those questions, you will learn that you know next to nothing about Obama.

    peacenuke posted at 6:15 am on Tue, Feb 15, 2011.
    Oh, yeah…. note to Speaker of the House Boehner: an alleged (not yet released) baptismal certificate from a Black Liberation Theology Church does not make someone a Christian. Neither does their simple claim to be one. Actions speak louder than words, but words can be telling too: “…the [Islamic] evening call to prayer is one of the most beautiful sounds I’ve ever heard”. Obama then recited the prayer in perfect Arabic, which starts out when translated: “There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is His prophet…”. In other words, its a statement of faith. Doh! We have been duped. Everything he has done since elected speaks even louder than the words he spoke (which I quoted above) in a pre-Election interview. I want a real black president. One who grew up in America, not indonesia. One who is an American black. Even Obama’s skin color is a sham.

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    Rickey February 15, 2011 at 5:46 pm #

    Birthers are so ignorant that they don’t realize that “Allah” is simply another name for the same God which Christians believe in. And, as is typical of birthers, they distort the actual quotation. Obama didn’t recite the entire prayer, and the article doesn’t say that he said it in “perfect Arabic”. This is what Nicholas Kristoff of the New York Times actually wrote (emphasis mine):

    Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

    In birtherspeak, reciting the opening lines of a prayer is the same as reciting an entire prayer, and reciting it with a “first-rate accent” is the same as “perfect Arabic.” Is Kristoff an expert on Arabic pronunciation?

    For what it’s worth, I was a Catholic altar boy for a few years 50 years ago, when the mass was still said in Latin. I remember a fair amount of the Latin, including this one:

    Suscipiat Dominus sacrificium de manibus tuis ad laudem, et gloriam nominis sui, ad utilitatem quoque nostram, totiusque Ecclesiae suae sanctae.

    I can do it with a first-rate accent, too. What does that prove? Absolutely nothing, other than that my memory is pretty good.

  6. avatar
    Steve February 16, 2011 at 12:24 am #

    Between this and Shawna Forde’s conviction, maybe there’s hope for Arizona after all.

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    The Magic M February 16, 2011 at 6:24 am #

    > Birthers are so ignorant that they don’t realize that “Allah” is simply another name for the same God which Christians believe in.

    I’m not sure if this is a “Christians only” thing, but the notion that followers of another monotheistic religion are not praying to the same, but a different god is not that uncommon for a religion. After all, it’s part of the “we are the only true religion” meme that just about any religion counts among its most important issues. (And how can you be the only true religion if other religions are praying to the same god?)

    So I don’t think this notion is limited to the moronic birthers in particular.

    > I can do it with a first-rate accent, too.

    Which of the at least three different Latin pronunciations did you learn? πŸ˜‰ (Latin is a lot easier for native German or French speakers as it’s closer to “pronounce as you read it” than for English.)

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 16, 2011 at 8:15 am #

    The Magic M: I’m not sure if this is a “Christians only” thing, but the notion that followers of another monotheistic religion are not praying to the same, but a different god is not that uncommon for a religion. After all, it’s part of the “we are the only true religion” meme that just about any religion counts among its most important issues. (And how can you be the only true religion if other religions are praying to the same god?)

    Speaking only for myself, I was always taught (as a Southern Baptist kid) that Christians, Jews and Muslims were “people of the book” who all worshiped the God of Abraham. While the Christian’s trinitarian understanding of God is incompatible with Judaism and Islam, this is not a difference over which God, but a difference over the understanding of the one God.

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    Rickey February 16, 2011 at 10:17 am #

    The Magic M:
    >

    Which of the at least three different Latin pronunciations did you learn? (Latin is a lot easier for native German or French speakers as it’s closer to “pronounce as you read it” than for English.)

    I’m not sure. Basically I tried to speak it as the priests spoke it. The “Suscipiat” was considered a tongue-twister and a lot of altar boys had trouble with it.

    They stopped teaching Latin in high school while I was still in elementary school, so I never took any Latin classes outside of what I learned as an altar boy.

  10. avatar
    JD Reed February 16, 2011 at 10:32 am #

    I wouldn’t be too confident that the Arizona “birther bill” is dead. I don’t know Arizona’s legislative rules, but in some legislatures and the U.S. Congress, there are alternative ways to get a bill onto the floor for a vote, such as reasssingment to another, friendlier, committee, or a discharge petition backed by a majority of the legislative chamber..

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    HORUS February 16, 2011 at 11:10 am #

    It is very obvious that peacenuke is a moron!

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    The Magic M February 16, 2011 at 11:29 am #

    > The “Suscipiat” was considered a tongue-twister

    The way I’ve learned it, I’d pronounce it “soos-‘kee-pee-ut” (which is the way they teach in German schools), stress on the 2nd syllable.
    Liturgy would pronounce it the Italian way (“soo-‘shee-pjut”).
    Scientific Latin pronunciation might be slightly different, I only recently learned that off Wikipedia and haven’t practised it much, it’s a bit like trying to speak German the Dutch way. πŸ˜‰

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    Black Lion February 16, 2011 at 12:08 pm #

    HB 283 Missouri Birther Bill To Committee

    Not much joy in this one for Birfistan: No baby feets, bumpy seals, DNA, or citizen parents, no Vattel NBC–not even a long form birth certificate. But HB 283 moved on to the Missouri House Elections Committee last Friday.

    115.399. 1. Not later than the twelfth Tuesday prior to each presidential election, or notwithstanding any prior laws to the contrary, in the year 1996 and thereafter, within seven working days after choosing its nominees for president and vice president of the United States, whichever is later, the state committee of each established political party shall certify in writing to the secretary of state the names of its nominees for president and vice president of the United States. Such certification shall include proof of identity and proof of United States citizenship for each nominee.

    That’s it. Short, though not so sweet for Birthers.

    Fired Up! Missouri wrote in January when the bill was introduced:

    Why are these Republican legislators so concerned about the citizenship of presidential candidates? Probably because our current president is an illegal Kenyan immigrant.

    Rep. Robert Wayne Cooper (R-Camdenton) and fifteen GOP co-sponsors filed similar legislation in 2009, but eventually withdrew the proposal for unspecified reasons.

    Rowland and Kelley join a proud tradition in Missouri Republicans who go out of their way to espouse and tease the GOP base with birther conspiracy theories. Majority Floor Leader Tim Jones (R-Eureka) and former Rep. Cynthia Davis (R-O’Fallon) sued Barry Soetoro in 2009 with crazy birther queen Orly Taitz. Current Rep. Casey Guernsey (R-Bethany) also supported Taitz’s efforts. Senator Roy Blunt is one of the highest ranking birther-curious officials in the country (if not the highest). He declared in his Senate campaign that birthers were asking “legitimate” questions about Obama’s birth records, and even told Springfield journalists that they lacked the “capacity to talk about that [Obama’s citizenship] in a legitimate way.

    The Majority Floor Leader for the Missouri House, Rep. Tim Jones, yes, is a Birther from way back in Keyes v. Obama days, though he has on occasion tried to put more daylight between himself and Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq. The California Birther case, since renamed Barnett v. Obama, should be coming around the calendar soon in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, and Rep. Jones is still listed as a plaintiff.

    Missouri Rep. Robert Cooper’s 2009 Birther push was for an amendment to the State Constitution’s Voter ID provisions, requiring an “official copy of the candidate’s birth certificate” for candidates “who are required by the Constitution of the United States to be natural born citizens.” (Guess who?!) “Other certifications, such as a certificate of live birth, shall not be accepted.”

    The 2009 Missouri House Birfoon effort in the Voter ID Law, HJR 34, was withdrawn. Maybe because these geniuses figured out that Missouri does not issue original birth certificates, any more than Hawaii does, but certifies live births with computer-generated certifications, just as Hawaii does.

    The current legislation, HB 283, requires proof of citizenship and proof of identity, which could both be met by a passport, and, as we all know, the President has a nice fancy one.

    http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=16322

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    Judge Mental February 16, 2011 at 3:47 pm #

    I was a Catholic altar boy for a few years 50 years ago, when the mass was still said in Latin. I remember a fair amount of the Latin, including this one:Suscipiat Dominus sacrificium de manibus tuis ad laudem, et gloriam nominis sui, ad utilitatem quoque nostram, totiusque Ecclesiae suae sanctae.I can do it with a first-rate accent, too. What does that prove? Absolutely nothing, other than that my memory is pretty good.

    LOL…..with respect Rickey, unless you’ve cloned a Roman Centurion from a piece of bone matter found in an archaeological dig and had him tutor you, I very much doubt you can recite it in a first rate “accent”.

    Latin was a compulsory language subject at my school and I can still translate it quite well all these years on…..but it’s been a dead language for a very long time and nobody alive today, including Catholic priests who say mass, can have the faintest clue what the accent(s) of speakers of that language would have sounded like.

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    dch February 16, 2011 at 4:03 pm #

    The birther fools in the states are finding It hard to transform their mythical nonsense about long-forms into workable laws. It is hard to convert the rantings from birthers into something that elections offiicals can read and follow without a magic birther spectacles.

    They are just soooo stupid you have to watch.

    They are revealing how really incompetent and petty they are. I love watching these idiots fail over and over again.

    They can’t even write a bill about there own stupid idea after 24 months of trying! LOL!

    They are having the same rate of success that the birthers have had in state and federal courts, zero. Its even funnier to watch them contort their wording trying to explain to the non-birthers on the commitees what they are talking about without saying Obama.

    I really hope one of these bills passes and is followed by a complete non-event when the candidates send in COLBs from across the country and the states simply accept them.

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    Bovril February 16, 2011 at 4:08 pm #

    Well, dch

    To be truthful, they can write ’em, they just can’t write one that will ever pass muster….what is it they say about the definition of insanity… 😎

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    dch February 16, 2011 at 4:31 pm #

    You are right. Anythng that passes would be a “COLB is OK” approach that will simply enrage the birther-base for selling out and aiding in the cover-up of the events in Mombassa in 1961. The stupid state reps are doomed to suffer either way.

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    Rickey February 16, 2011 at 4:38 pm #

    The Magic M:
    >

    Liturgy would pronounce it the Italian way (“soo-’shee-pjut”).

    Correct.

    I have occasionally recited it to Protestant friends while insisting that I was speaking in tongues.

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    Rickey February 16, 2011 at 4:42 pm #

    Judge Mental: LOL…..with respect Rickey, unless you’ve cloned a Roman Centurion from a piece of bone matter found in an archaeological dig and had him tutor you, I very much doubt you can recite it in a first rate “accent”.

    Point taken!

    However, it was first-rate mimicking of the way the priests pronounced it!

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    Judge Mental February 16, 2011 at 4:52 pm #

    Rickey: Point taken!However, it was first-rate mimicking of the way the priests pronounced it!

    Don’t doubt it Rickey.

    By the way comedian Eddie Izzard does a first class comedy spiel on the Latin language and the matter of what the accent would have been. I’m sure it can be found on youtube or elsewhere on the net.

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    Keith February 16, 2011 at 5:37 pm #

    The Magic M: Which of the at least three different Latin pronunciations did you learn? πŸ˜‰ (Latin is a lot easier for native German or French speakers as it’s closer to “pronounce as you read it” than for English.)

    Latin may be easier for French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, and Romanian speakers since they are all Latin derived.

    German is not related to Latin (at least not as related as the above languages); modern English is a ‘bastard’ language, but considered fundamentally Germanic, with heavy doses of Norman French thrown in.

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    Keith February 16, 2011 at 5:39 pm #

    JD Reed:
    I wouldn’t be too confident that the Arizona “birther bill” is dead. I don’t know Arizona’s legislative rules, but in some legislatures and the U.S. Congress, there are alternative ways to get a bill onto the floor for a vote, such as reasssingment to another, friendlier, committee, or a discharge petition backed by a majority of the legislative chamber..

    I understand that the Arizona bill has been moved to the Finances Committee. Possibly appropriate since its going to cost the State a lot of money to defend it.

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    The Magic M February 17, 2011 at 5:41 am #

    > German is not related to Latin (at least not as related as the above languages)

    I know, but as I wrote, Germans come closer (than English speakers) to the original Latin pronunciation if they simply pronounce it like German words, maybe closest of all languages, including Italian.

    > but it’s been a dead language for a very long time and nobody alive today, including Catholic priests who say mass, can have the faintest clue what the accent(s) of speakers of that language would have sounded like

    Not quite correct:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_spelling_and_pronunciation

    Though this differs from how Latin is taught in German schools:
    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulaussprache_des_Lateinischen
    (no English version available…)

    > They can’t even write a bill about there own stupid idea after 24 months of trying!

    In fact, that is what amazes me most – I mean, if you actually got a state official to buy into the birther myths, you’d expect them to produce something noticably saner than the filings of Orly Taitz or the ramblings of Pest-and-eFail readers who “educate” their representatives about the “real” meanings of things. I mean, *I* could cobble up a better lawsuit than Orly with my hands tied behind my back while solving a couple of differential equations at the same time – and I didn’t take any US bar exam in some backstreet U-Sue outlet.

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    HORUS February 17, 2011 at 2:03 pm #

    I’m so embarrassed that I live in Arizona.