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Dr. Conspiracy

Jounalist Bill Bowman published an article at Examiner.com with the title: Orly Taitz is building an enemies list. A very successful anti-birther web site, The FogBow has been under aggressive attack including a YouTube video. The commenter KenyanBornObamAcorn posted a list of names here that she claimed were the real identities of anti-birther bloggers, including me, saying: “We know all about you guys, don’t you worry! so, if you want to go throwing names and docs around, I can play that game too!” Of course, that commenter posted a list of names already.

I believe in the freedom of speech, and threats from either side intended to intimidate are against what I stand for.

Now in what can only be described as a conciliatory gesture, Orly Taitz has written an article encouraging some cooling in the war of words. Taitz wrote:

Unless people are paid to attack, there is no reason to attack, unless someone is paid to obstruct justice and hide evidence, there is no reason to do it.

I know who KenyanBornObamAcorn is, and she can rest assured that I will never publish her name, nor encourage anyone to intrude on her personal life. Some have chosen to enter the debate in a public way by filing lawsuits, and some have entered it in sensational ways, such as Orly Taitz. Some do so anonymously, and deserve to keep their privacy.

Partisans like to paint themselves as victims of vicious attacks when criticized. I say that if they can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen, but “going personal” is going too far.

Update:

Subsequent to the publication of this article, KenyanBornObamAcorn filed a public lawsuit under her real name and so entered the public arena. That lawsuit is discussed on this blog and her screen name association has become widely known, but not because I disclosed it.

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108 Responses to War of words

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    Whatever4 February 1, 2011 at 11:10 pm #

    Well, orly posted that after a frenetic week of trying to get the flying monkeys to dig up info on people. So I’m thinking less conciliatory, more bipolar.

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    Slartibartfast February 1, 2011 at 11:39 pm #

    Well said Doc.

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    FUTTHESHUCKUP February 2, 2011 at 12:28 am #

    This is more evidence of their increasing desperation. The Republicans in Congress whom the birther klan was counting on to start investigations of President Obama’s eligibility as soon as they took office told them to pound salt. They know the jig is up, and they are out to destroy anyone who disagrees with them as a last resort.

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    Joseph Maine February 2, 2011 at 1:17 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy,

    I agree with you. Please tell your fellow derisive commenters at this, your, site and it would be an even bigger step.

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    Sean February 2, 2011 at 1:27 am #

    How do I get on Orly’s enemy list?

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    FUTTHESHUCKUP February 2, 2011 at 1:34 am #

    Sean: How do I get on Orly’s enemy list?

    Can you paint? We need a new painting of Orly giving birth to pancakes with a side of bacon and a side of hash browns.

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    Slartibartfast February 2, 2011 at 1:49 am #

    Sean: How do I get on Orly’s enemy list?

    You could try ‘Presidenting while black’ – it worked for President Obama (I’m not sure that ‘Presidenting while Democratic’ would be enough). Painting Orly with a litter of pancakes is probably easier…

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 2, 2011 at 8:14 am #

    Joseph Maine: I agree with you. Please tell your fellow derisive commenters at this, your, site and it would be an even bigger step.

    I have on many occasions.

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    Reality Check February 2, 2011 at 8:16 am #

    The problem is that Orly believes anyone who attacks her is being paid. She is that delusional. She really thinks that the attorneys a The Fogbow should be helping her file her ridiculous cases. (Actually, some have tried to help but she ignored their advice and part of her troubles today can be traced to her arrogance).

    Barely a week after accusing everyone at PJ and TFB of being paid commie thug brownshirts she emailed Foggy to try to get the names of attorneys who witnessed her “stellar” cross examination of Lisa Liberi in Pennsylvania. That was all while accusing the court reporter and Judge Robreno of monkeying with the transcript.

    Now Orly is using an apparently conciliatory call from former TFB member Tes to say “See, this smart attorney agrees with me and left that commie den of inequity”. I guess in the weird world of Orly that is being conciliatory. I never supported attacks on her family or bringing them into the mix. Orly has made so many enemies with her antics even in the Birther world how would she know who is calling her husband’s co-workers? I hope she is sincere in toning down the personal attacks but I will continue to criticize her views that I find offensive and misguided. She and many other Birthers seem to forget they they are the ones trying to use the courts to undo an election and disenfranchise over 69 million people. I take that seriously.

    It is nice to see that Orly said one thing on which I can agree with her. I support using paper ballots and optical counting. As the 2008 Minnesota Senate race demonstrated this is the best way to ensure an accurate count in a very close election. Minnesota’s election laws are exemplary. Had Florida had such a system in 2000 history and America would have been changed for the better.

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    charo February 2, 2011 at 8:55 am #

    Reality Check: Barely a week after accusing everyone at PJ and TFB of being paid commie thug brownshirts she emailed Foggy to try to get the names of attorneys who witnessed her “stellar” cross examination of Lisa Liberi in Pennsylvania. That was all while accusing the court reporter and Judge Robreno of monkeying with the transcript.

    Is Orly paranoid? Yes, however, I did see this link a long time ago and wondered if the implication was true or put there on purpose to feed her paranoia, hoping she would find it. If the former, IMO, that reeks, even to do it to Orly.

    yeti D,

    They tried to call us paid Obama trolls. Actually, we’re a bunch of people with a universal wicked sense of humor and the means to unleash it against the deliberately clueless. we should be paying Obama for the opportunities at mirth that his election has provided.

    Contact me offline and I’ll tell you how the libel lawsuit between Berg and Oily Taint came about. Better yet, join up at Politijab and contact me there.

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    Majority Will February 2, 2011 at 9:06 am #

    Joseph Maine: Dr. Conspiracy,I agree with you. Please tell your fellow derisive commenters at this, your, site and it would be an even bigger step.

    “When could one EVER disagree with him, given that line of thinking? Totally stupid, vapid, and actually, insane.”
    – Joseph Maine

    derisive |diˈrīsiv|
    adjective
    expressing contempt or ridicule : referring to someone as totally stupid, vapid and actually, insane

    Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have.

    Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie.

    Birthers rely on hypocrisy.

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    G February 2, 2011 at 9:37 am #

    Joseph Maine: Dr. Conspiracy,I agree with you. Please tell your fellow derisive commenters at this, your, site and it would be an even bigger step.

    Go cry me a river.

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    G February 2, 2011 at 9:45 am #

    charo: Is Orly paranoid? Yes, however, I did see this link a long time ago and wondered if the implication was true or put there on purpose to feed her paranoia, hoping she would find it. If the former, IMO, that reeks, even to do it to Orly. yeti D,They tried to call us paid Obama trolls. Actually, we’re a bunch of people with a universal wicked sense of humor and the means to unleash it against the deliberately clueless. we should be paying Obama for the opportunities at mirth that his election has provided.Contact me offline and I’ll tell you how the libel lawsuit between Berg and Oily Taint came about. Better yet, join up at Politijab and contact me there.

    Maybe I’m missing something here. I read both the quote you put there and also went to the link and saw that lady’s posts there too.

    All she has said she has the means to “unleash” in those statements is teasing and snarking on stupidity. Where is that a threat and how is that offensive? Fools and nuts get mocked in society and I agree that they deserve to be.

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    G February 2, 2011 at 9:49 am #

    Reality Check: Now Orly is using an apparently conciliatory call from former TFB member Tes to say “See, this smart attorney agrees with me and left that commie den of inequity”. I guess in the weird world of Orly that is being conciliatory. I never supported attacks on her family or bringing them into the mix. Orly has made so many enemies with her antics even in the Birther world how would she know who is calling her husband’s co-workers? I hope she is sincere in toning down the personal attacks but I will continue to criticize her views that I find offensive and misguided. She and many other Birthers seem to forget they they are the ones trying to use the courts to undo an election and disenfranchise over 69 million people. I take that seriously.

    I don’t trust any concillatory sounding words coming from Orly. Based on her past history, she’s likely to flip back to flaming bat-sh*t crazy at any moment. It is more likely than any attempt by her to “tone things down” is really just a ploy by her, thinking she can pretent to act sweet to obtain info that she will then immediately use to attack someone. That seems to be her consistent MO so far.

    She’s nothing but an emotionally unstable and obsessively vindictive unhinged nut.

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    Majority Will February 2, 2011 at 9:53 am #

    G:
    Go cry me a river.

    Of crocodile tears. 😉

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    charo February 2, 2011 at 9:59 am #

    G: Contact me offline and I’ll tell you how the libel lawsuit between Berg and Oily Taint came about. Better yet, join up at Politijab and contact me there.

    First, the person said how easy it is to unleash their wicked sense of humor on the clueless; immediately following is an example offering to see how the libel suit came about (as in causing trouble on purpose that lead to the libel suit which involved Lisa Liberi mentioned in Reality Check’s comment). They had to go to a more private setting.

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    Majority Will February 2, 2011 at 10:03 am #

    G: She’s nothing but an emotionally unstable and obsessively vindictive unhinged nut.

    I’d say that’s far too kind of an assessment.

    The following was captured from Orly Taitz’s Facebook Wall:

    “U sir appear to be corrupt and irresponsible in administering ur duties as a Judge at any level.
    We have an oppurtunity to find out once and for all who or what this “Userper” is..If he is who and what he says he is, then OK and I will g…ive him serious consideration..Right now, without proof, he is just another Animal Beast of the Field or shall I say “n****r”*.If “it” truly is in Office legally, then “it” would be the first well trained animal to hold the Office of President of the United States..If u accept my challenge, I would require a Birth Certificate and a Driver’s License to show who u r and prove u have not sent some “Ringer” in ur stead. I, of course will do the same…U do have a Birth Certificate?.Thank U-Obama would have to be “Human” for me to be a “Racist”

    – posted on Oct 23, 2009

    And a Facebook Friend’s reply:

    “We all Support Orly’s Cause-We do it for our own Reasons-My reason is purely about Truth and non-Political Correctness-I truly believe Hussein is a Mulatto and does not Qualify as a Human Being-1/16 th or less tainted Animal blood would Dequalify him as animal-Right Now Hussein is a Beast and living in my White House-Politics aside-We r not discussing Racism here-I am discussing Animal Husbandry-not Racism.”

    – posted on November 13, 2009

    *expletive masked.

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    Sean February 2, 2011 at 10:05 am #

    When everything you say or do begs to be criticized, silencing your critics can be a tall order.

    Let’s face it, how many paid brown shirts can Obama afford?

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    Majority Will February 2, 2011 at 10:13 am #

    Sean: When everything you say or do begs to be criticized, silencing your critics can be a tall order.Let’s face it, how many paid brown shirts can Obama afford?

    How many red states can the Koch brothers afford?

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    Sean February 2, 2011 at 10:16 am #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP:
    Can you paint? We need a new painting of Orly giving birth to pancakes with a side of bacon and a side of hash browns.

    I just saw that painting. Well done! Am I wrong or was there another artist that did an orly painting?

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    G February 2, 2011 at 10:24 am #

    charo: First, the person said how easy it is to unleash their wicked sense of humor on the clueless; immediately following is an example offering to see how the libel suit came about (as in causing trouble on purpose that lead to the libel suit which involved Lisa Liberi mentioned in Reality Check’s comment). They had to go to a more private setting.

    I think you are seeing the sinister in the mundane and making something out of completely nothing.

    Contact me offline and I’ll tell you how the libel lawsuit between Berg and Oily Taint came about. Better yet, join up at Politijab and contact me there.

    That is what she says. All that statements says is that she would spill on the gossip of what led to the Berg/Orly inter-birther feud if the other poster “yeti” contacts her about it at another site, where it is being discussed, as that level of detail on the issue was pretty much O/T for the site thread she was on.

    Nothing sinister there at all. Nor in any way does it indicate that she was causing any “trouble”. All she has done is playfully mock Orly and the birthers and offer to discuss the latest scoop on that Berg/Orly case… which was quite a hot “circus level entertainment event” of inter-birther infighting at the time.

    That situation got discussed in detail everywhere, including here… a lot of it being viewed as *popcorn* entertainment. No “obot” as you might refer to her or us had anything to do with causing the Berg/Orly feud. ALL of the players involved were birthers. Mostly birther laywers and their assistants. “Obots” observed, reported on and had fun mocking and following the events that transpired therein, that is all.

    Nothing in that statement implies that she had anything to do with the Berg/Orly feud. Nor has she made any threats against anyone or said anything out of line. Did she do some name calling of Orly and change her name to another word in that post? Yes. But that’s a fairly common and harmless name twist that had been done all over the internet.

    You are totally making this into something it is not.

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    charo February 2, 2011 at 10:36 am #

    G:
    I think you are seeing the sinister in the mundane and making something out of completely nothing.
    That is what she says.All that statements says is that she would spill on the gossip of what led to the Berg/Orly inter-birther feud if the other poster “yeti” contacts her about it at another site, where it is being discussed, as that level of detail on the issue was pretty much O/T for the site thread she was on.Nothing sinister there at all. Nor in any way does it indicate that she was causing any “trouble”.All she has done is playfully mock Orly and the birthers and offer to discuss the latest scoop on that Berg/Orly case… which was quite a hot “circus level entertainment event” of inter-birther infighting at the time.That situation got discussed in detail everywhere, including here… a lot of it being viewed as *popcorn* entertainment.No “obot” as you might refer to her or us had anything to do with causing the Berg/Orly feud.ALL of the players involved were birthers.Mostly birther laywers and their assistants.“Obots” observed, reported on and had fun mocking and following the events that transpired therein, that is all.Nothing in that statement implies that she had anything to do with the Berg/Orly feud.Nor has she made any threats against anyone or said anything out of line.Did she do some name calling of Orly and change her name to another word in that post?Yes.But that’s a fairly common and harmless name twist that had been done all over the internet.You are totally making this into something it is not.

    We’ll just have to disagree. The comment was not off topic. The context of it was that birthers are clueless and you can have lots of fun with them, for instance, well, I’ll tell you somewhere else.

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    Reality Check February 2, 2011 at 10:42 am #

    By the way, as of last night Orly had not removed the derogatory comments about “Tes” along with her photo, nor accusations of treason by Obama supporters. She is still illegally displaying social security numbers, violating medical privacy laws by releasing the name of her former dental patient, and calling on her supporters to attempt to harass whomever she might designate as an enemy by calling their employers (mostly the DOJ and the FBI according to Orly). I am sure if I went back far enough I could find that she is still calling for removal of the President and other members of government by force. Quite conciliatory on her part.

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    Bovril February 2, 2011 at 10:51 am #

    Orly and her flying guano monkeys can all take the proverbial long walk of a short plank as far as I’m concerned.

    The poster “Tes” had been a long time and valuable member of the Fogbow but for personal reasons it seems has left the site.

    This reasons almost certainly included the vile accusations on Orly’s site that “Tes” had been a part of the AZ shootings. A set of comments Orly explictly condoned via her Stalinist editing of “acceptable” posts on her site.

    This along with the usual “I’m gonna get you and you’re little dog too” threats on her site for all and sundry.

    I can only presume the ratcheting up of her even more insane than usual posts are linked to

    a. The ongoing amd tawdry lawsuit with CEL III which has dragged not just Orly but her husband into court. I’m sure he is loving every repetitive motion describing in excruciating detail about how, where, how often, with whom etc his wife is an adulterer
    b. The marked decline in her overall media whoredom, no interviews, her flying monkey replies have dwindled to a tiny rump etc
    c. The undoubted ongoing investigation of her “work” by the California Bar
    d. No actual, active, going anywhere lawsuits
    e. The Phil Berg “Liberi v Taitz” lawsuit where the court has already made it plain how very unhappy they are with both of them

    She is yesterdays news, slipping rapidly into the “Orly WHO?” abyss of irrelevance and is handling it just the way she handles everything else in her life, BADLY.

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    G February 2, 2011 at 11:23 am #

    charo: We’ll just have to disagree. The comment was not off topic. The context of it was that birthers are clueless and you can have lots of fun with them, for instance, well, I’ll tell you somewhere else.

    Yes it was. The topic was Obama’s BC in HI. That is what Blackmonrikker was initially commenting on. The inter-birther war between Orly & Berg is a complete side-tangent to the posts on that blog up to that point. All she said to the other poster, Yeti, is that if he wanted further details on what was going on with Berg/Orly, to pick up the conversation in another place, such as Politijab, where there was a full discussion thread already going on about it.

    So, where is there anything sinister about poking fun at birthers. Its about MOCKING them… there is NOTHING in anything you’ve shown about anybody taking action or plotting against Orly.

    This isn’t just an “agree to disagree” thing here, because you haven’t just stated a mere opinion, you’ve directly insinuated accusatory and sinister motives impuning others, when your source comment does NOT bear you out at all.

    All you’ve shown is someone MOCKING and laughing at birthers. That’s pretty much what we do here all the time…and what happens on pretty much EVERY non-birther site thread where birtherism comes up. Completely harmless and fairly justified. People make crazy claims and they get laughed at in return.

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    charo February 2, 2011 at 11:30 am #

    G:
    Yes it was.The topic was Obama’s BC in HI.That is what Blackmonrikker was initially commenting on.The inter-birther war between Orly & Berg is a complete side-tangent to the posts on that blog up to that point.All she said to the other poster, Yeti, is that if he wanted further details on what was going on with Berg/Orly, to pick up the conversation in another place, such as Politijab, where there was a full discussion thread already going on about it.So, where is there anything sinister about poking fun at birthers.Its about MOCKING them… there is NOTHING in anything you’ve shown about anybody taking action or plotting against Orly.This isn’t just an “agree to disagree” thing here, because you haven’t just stated a mere opinion, you’ve directly insinuated accusatory and sinister motives impuning others, when your source comment does NOT bear you out at all. All you’ve shown is someone MOCKING and laughing at birthers.That’s pretty much what we do here all the time…and what happens on pretty much EVERY non-birther site thread where birtherism comes up.Completely harmless and fairly justified.People make crazy claims and they get laughed at in return.

    Sorry, G, I don’t have to agree with you. Tangents occur all the time on threads and continue. Also, you are treading into the realm of hysterics over my comment. Even though Orly puts herself in the position for abuse, I don’t make it my life’s mission to mock people, even when they deserve it. With that, I am done with the topic.

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    Majority Will February 2, 2011 at 11:35 am #

    Troll Alert

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    Lupin February 2, 2011 at 12:02 pm #

    Spoken as a nice, civilized man, Doc. Bravo.

    In or around 1975, if memory serves, a friend of mine from Chile (the TA in my Spanish class), who’d left his country just after Pinochet took power (smart man), told me how the wife of one of his friends, a writer, had written to him to tell him that, one night, three goons from the neighborhood, well-known junta supporters, came, beat her husband with crowbars, dumped his body into the trunk of their car and drove away. He was never seen again, not even his body.

    I have no doubt that if Orly, Apuzzo, and their supporters had real power (ie: impunity) in your country, that would happen to you.

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    JoZeppy February 2, 2011 at 12:06 pm #

    This is a rather interesting bit here. First, the birther troll seems to imply that there is any shame in being identified as generally mocking birthers. Like many here and other sites, I am an attorney. I went to a well respected law school, graduated with honors, and work at a respected firm. Many at my firm know that my lawyer geek hobbies include following, analyzing, and debunking “junk law” theories, such as sovereign citizens, tax protestors, and most recently birthers (and I collect supreme court justice bobbleheads too…yes, I am a law geek). I’ve had long converstations on the subjects, and oddly enough, no one has ever shown any shock, displeasure, or even expressed a counter argument (and I’m not even a partner in the firm, so it’s not like I hold any power to intimidate anyone…oh, and we’re a rather conservative firm too). So obviously I’m not particularly concerned about being “outed” as an “anti-birther.”

    You might ask, why don’t I use my real name….well, that’s because a simple stroll on Orly’s website will reveal just how much birthers love that Constitution they claim to defend. The second they identify someone who articulately points out how full of b.s. all their arguments are, and how little they know about the law, they first accuse you of being an “obot” paid by Soros (where’s my check!!!!!). Then they stalk you, and publish your personal information, and start to harrass you and your employer. While my firm has no problem with my hobbies, or my opinions, a handful of rabid birthers harassing me and my employer at work, could cause problems.

    So the “Constitution defending” birther solution to well reasoned arguments against their position? Shut people up by threatening their livelihood, and harassing everyone around them. You’ll see this also in how Orly constantly posts people to contact the FCC to complain about “journalistic malpractice” any time there is negative press about her and the birther movement in either radio, tv or print media. I guess her education in the Soviet Union left its mark. Opinions counter to hers should be shut down at the source. Never mind that this attorney seems to forget that the FCC doesn’t get invovled in editing the contact of TV or radio, and has no control whatsoever over print media….but I digress (her constant cries to complain to the FCC have bugged me for some time…sorry to get off point). Anyway…just felt the need to point out the well observed fascist tendencies of a certain portion of Birfistan.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) February 2, 2011 at 12:11 pm #

    JoZeppy: This is a rather interesting bit here. First, the birther troll seems to imply that there is any shame in being identified as generally mocking birthers. Like many here and other sites, I am an attorney. I went to a well respected law school, graduated with honors, and work at a respected firm. Many at my firm know that my lawyer geek hobbies include following, analyzing, and debunking “junk law” theories, such as sovereign citizens, tax protestors, and most recently birthers (and I collect supreme court justice bobbleheads too…yes, I am a law geek). I’ve had long converstations on the subjects, and oddly enough, no one has ever shown any shock, displeasure, or even expressed a counter argument (and I’m not even a partner in the firm, so it’s not like I hold any power to intimidate anyone…oh, and we’re a rather conservative firm too). So obviously I’m not particularly concerned about being “outed” as an “anti-birther.” You might ask, why don’t I use my real name….well, that’s because a simple stroll on Orly’s website will reveal just how much birthers love that Constitution they claim to defend. The second they identify someone who articulately points out how full of b.s. all their arguments are, and how little they know about the law, they first accuse you of being an “obot” paid by Soros (where’s my check!!!!!). Then they stalk you, and publish your personal information, and start to harrass you and your employer. While my firm has no problem with my hobbies, or my opinions, a handful of rabid birthers harassing me and my employer at work, could cause problems. So the “Constitution defending” birther solution to well reasoned arguments against their position? Shut people up by threatening their livelihood, and harassing everyone around them. You’ll see this also in how Orly constantly posts people to contact the FCC to complain about “journalistic malpractice” any time there is negative press about her and the birther movement in either radio, tv or print media. I guess her education in the Soviet Union left its mark. Opinions counter to hers should be shut down at the source. Never mind that this attorney seems to forget that the FCC doesn’t get invovled in editing the contact of TV or radio, and has no control whatsoever over print media….but I digress (her constant cries to complain to the FCC have bugged me for some time…sorry to get off point). Anyway…just felt the need to point out the well observed fascist tendencies of a certain portion of Birfistan.

    Does the Justice Thomas bobblehead come with blank tax forms for his wife?

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    JoZeppy February 2, 2011 at 12:21 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Does the Justice Thomas bobblehead come with blank tax forms for his wife?

    Justice Thomas is due to be release this year…so I’ll let you know 😉

    My running joke is that he should be holding a coke can with a “short and curly” on top (for those who remember his confirmation hearing).

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    G February 2, 2011 at 12:50 pm #

    john: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWIQ0AenhQ4Meet the Vile Obots PJ Foggy & Justin of Fogbow & Politijab…

    *yawn*

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    G February 2, 2011 at 1:02 pm #

    charo: Sorry, G, I don’t have to agree with you. Tangents occur all the time on threads and continue. Also, you are treading into the realm of hysterics over my comment. Even though Orly puts herself in the position for abuse, I don’t make it my life’s mission to mock people, even when they deserve it. With that, I am done with the topic.

    Charo, that is one thing for you to say that you find mocking distateful and don’t condone it. That is fine and I don’t have a problem with that.

    What I have a problem with is that you went beyond that – you accused some poster of not just mocking, but somehow doing something “sinister” or beyond the pale to Orly. Yet your example completely failed to substantiate that.

    Furthermore, your example referenced the Berg/Taitz lawsuit, which is an entirely inter-birther affair and the only ones involved in that fiasco on all sides are ALL birthers…the egg in that ongoing saga of back and forth back biting and stupidity is completely 100% birther caused and continued. No “obots” or “anti-birthers” or whatever term you would use are involved or behind that. All anyone else has done is merely observed the ensuing debacle.

    You may not like mocking, but there is nothing illegal or criminal about it – which is the implication your post portrayed.
    I am not being “hysterical”. I am merely calling you out for unfairly accusing others of “sinister” action, which I consider to be improper. You are the one who brought up the topic and are over-reacting by classifying it as something way beyond what it is – mere mocking.

    This isn’t the first time that you’ve pulled this “hysterical” and “I’m done with the conversation” tantrum, when you’ve been called out on something. You are the one who seems to have a hard time taking responsibility for your own tone and words here and who are reacting defensively.

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    Majority Will February 2, 2011 at 1:02 pm #

    JoZeppy: My running joke is that he should be holding a coke can with a “short and curly” on top (for those who remember his confirmation hearing).

    Yes, and that’s not a reference to the young Shirley Temple.

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    ellid February 2, 2011 at 1:16 pm #

    KBAC published a list? Where? Is it as silly as the rest of her posts?

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    charo February 2, 2011 at 1:20 pm #

    G: What I have a problem with is that you went beyond that – you accused some poster of not just mocking, but somehow doing something “sinister” or beyond the pale to Orly. Yet your example completely failed to substantiate that.

    I did not explicitly say that the particular poster herself did anything except imply knowledge of some kind of sabotage that may have even been a planted story to feed Orly’s paranoia.

    G: This isn’t the first time that you’ve pulled this “hysterical” and “I’m done with the conversation” tantrum, when you’ve been called out on something. You are the one who seems to have a hard time taking responsibility for your own tone and words here and who are reacting defensively.

    Are you going to send me to the corner now?

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    G February 2, 2011 at 1:47 pm #

    charo: I did not explicitly say that the particular poster herself did anything except imply knowledge of some kind of sabotage that may have even been a planted story to feed Orly’s paranoia.

    Fine. I’ll take that as your clarification. It sure came across as implying much more than that, but I accept you at your word on your clarification above. On the part where you say we’ll just have to agree to disagree – I’ll apply that to the “imply knowledge of some kind of sabotage that may have even been a planted story” portion of that and accept that is how you interpreted and viewed it and merely state that I don’t see any of that at all in that post and honor your request to let it drop at that.

    charo: Are you going to send me to the corner now?

    😉

    I always appreciate that you retain your sense of humor.

  38. avatar
    G February 2, 2011 at 1:51 pm #

    charo: to feed Orly’s paranoia

    Oh I did want to just add one other general Orly observation – one I’m sure you’d agree with too:

    It doesn’t seem like it takes very much at all to feed Orly’s paranoia or to set her off. She is very, very thin-skinned AND very paranoid – a very combustible combination, indeed!. Frankly, I think she often feeds her own paranoia without anyone’s help at all…but I definitely agree that even the slightest critcism or teasing of her is more than enough to set her way off…

  39. avatar
    Bovril February 2, 2011 at 1:56 pm #

    Ellid,

    KBOA apparently published something but Dr C scrubbed it (as we Ebil Obots are wont to do on the Inter-Tubes).

    Shame really as I was rather hoping to see which if any of my multiple personalities she and the rest of the ineffectual and stupid had “outed”.

  40. avatar
    Bovril February 2, 2011 at 1:58 pm #

    G,

    Since in Orly’s case she really has made (particularly in Birerstan) a swathe of enemies is it REALLY paranoia….8-)

  41. avatar
    charo February 2, 2011 at 2:04 pm #

    G: I always appreciate that you retain your sense of humor.

    I didn’t want to be lonely.

    http://www.mizwoodysplace.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Child-In-Corner.jpg

  42. avatar
    misha February 2, 2011 at 2:04 pm #

    How do I get on Orly’s list?

    She and Lieberman are shandes.

  43. avatar
    G February 2, 2011 at 2:06 pm #

    charo: I didn’t want to be lonely.http://www.mizwoodysplace.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Child-In-Corner.jpg

    LOL! That was adorable! Makes me think of my youngest niece… 🙂

  44. avatar
    Majority Will February 2, 2011 at 2:07 pm #

    charo:
    I didn’t want to be lonely.http://www.mizwoodysplace.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Child-In-Corner.jpg

    That’s funny! Thanks!

  45. avatar
    charo February 2, 2011 at 2:11 pm #

    Majority Will:
    That’s funny! Thanks!

    🙂

  46. avatar
    misha February 2, 2011 at 2:45 pm #

    “Orly Taitz is building an enemies list”

    Hey everyone: I found a picture of Orly writing her list of enemies!

    See for yourself.

  47. avatar
    Black Lion February 2, 2011 at 4:41 pm #

    Newest article by Bill Bowman…

    Orly Taitz, James Manning are losing their grip … on reality

    There’s something odd going on in Birfistan.

    The other day, Orly “Dental Dam” Taitz went a little kooky on her Web site, claiming that I had threatened to kill her. This was after I’d pointed out that she was building an enemies list, and asking the dozen people who actually pay attention to her to sniff out whatever they could about some of her more vocal critics.

    And I thought people had to have at least passable reading comprehension to attain DDS and JD degrees.

    At about the same time, Pastor James David Manning – he of “Atlah” New York and chief investigator, prosecutor and professor of the “Birther Trial of the Century” last year – published a video of himself giving Pres. Obama 90 days to resign and confess his sins.

    (Click on the link on this page to hear Manning’s statement. He thinks quite highly of himself.)

    Yeah, I know.

    If you’re keeping score, that’s 90 days from Jan. 31, 2011.

    Of course, Pastor James David Manning doesn’t directly say what will happen if the president does not comply with his order. But he does mention that there are “thousands, and tens of thousands” of Americans willing to lay down their lives to destabilize the country if he stays in power.

    I think Pastor James David Manning has a woody for what’s going on over in Egypt.

    Tens of thousands?? Seriously? He couldn’t get tens of people to attend his fake trial of the century last year! Birther-related protests and rallies barely were able to attract tens of people, and they were held on beautiful summer days.

    I think what’s happening is that Birther “leaders” such as Taitz and Manning are finally realizing that the End is Near, and that is driving them out of their minds: The court cases are going nowhere; the trial of Blue Falcon Terry Lakin – which they thought was finally going to deliver them from Obama – went really, really badly. Obama’s popularity is actually surging. And the handful of so-called eligibility bills being introduced in state legislatures will do nothing to keep the president off the ballots in those states come 2012.

    They know it’s over, and like the cornered rats they are, they’re striking out at everything in the hopes that one blow will land. And none are.

    I don’t think they will go away soon, that will take a while. But they won’t go quietly, so be prepared for the screaming and gnashing of teeth to continue.

    But make no mistake, it’s over. All the arguments have been debunked, all the legal cases are either gone or in their last stages. And soon, people like Dr. Orly Taitz Esq. and Pastor James David Manning will slink back to their respective rocks and think of what could have been …

    Keep the faith.

    http://www.examiner.com/birther-movement-in-national/orly-taitz-james-manning-are-losing-their-grip-on-reality

  48. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 2, 2011 at 4:46 pm #

    Black Lion: [Quoting Bill Bowman] But make no mistake, it’s over. All the arguments have been debunked, all the legal cases are either gone or in their last stages. And soon, people like Dr. Orly Taitz Esq. and Pastor James David Manning will slink back to their respective rocks and think of what could have been …

    Wishful thinking.

  49. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 2, 2011 at 4:51 pm #

    Bovril: [Orly] is yesterdays news, slipping rapidly into the “Orly WHO?” abyss of irrelevance and is handling it just the way she handles everything else in her life, BADLY.

    Her web site still outranks mine 🙁

  50. avatar
    Thomas Brown February 2, 2011 at 4:52 pm #

    Foolish ideas deserve derision and Birfistan goes out of its way to earn it. Only when one side has a completely bogus argument do they resort to threats and intimidation.

    That explains the current situation nicely.

    So I will continue to mock (but not threaten) Birfoons at every opportunity.

  51. avatar
    Majority Will February 2, 2011 at 4:55 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Wishful thinking.

    It will be over when this occurs.

    Maybe.

  52. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP February 2, 2011 at 4:58 pm #

    Thomas Brown: Foolish ideas deserve derision and Birfistan goes out of its way to earn it.Only when one side has a completely bogus argument do they resort to threats and intimidation.That explains the current situation nicely.
    So I will continue to mock (but not threaten) Birfoons at every opportunity.

    I’ll drink to that

  53. avatar
    Majority Will February 2, 2011 at 5:34 pm #

    This is currently on O RLY’s Facebook Wall:

    Orly Taitz > Dr. Orly Taitz

    Please use the opportunity

    Now there are protests against usurper Mobarack, free Egypt.

    Please, join those protests, go in front of the cameras with your signs “free Lakin”, “Free the US”, “Remove usurper Obama”, “Obama is a fraud without a Valid SSN ID

    Without valid BC”

    http://www.facebook.com/dr.orly.taitz/posts/10150089814558950

    There’s also a thread on her Wall where the birthers claim:

    “But if Obama is ineligible, his signature on the health care bill is worthless; NO BILLS SIGNED BY HIM WOULD BE ANY GOOD!!”

    “. . . I do agree with you, but we have been working with that issue for what 2 years now? We pay this man many millions a year and you are right he should show proof but he has not. Now that we have more Republicans in Congress, they will try to at least repeal the health care bill and they can say there is not enough money for it.”

    (FB names redacted)

    The President is paid millions a year? Only for speaking circuits once out of office and book sales certainly don’t count.

    The president earns a $400,000 annual salary, along with a $50,000 annual expense account, a $100,000 non-taxable travel account and $19,000 for entertainment.

    We don’t pay him millions. Maybe she was thinking of the millions given to Congress members by lobbyists.

  54. avatar
    misha February 2, 2011 at 5:36 pm #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP: I’ll drink to that

    I’ll have a slice of grasshopper pie, made with REAL alcohol.

  55. avatar
    Bovril February 2, 2011 at 5:41 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Her web site still outranks mine

    Would that be the (Dear Gullible Idiot, please install this piece of malware so we can suck revenue from) Alexa rating….?

  56. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP February 2, 2011 at 5:51 pm #

    misha:
    I’ll have a slice of grasshopper pie, made with REAL alcohol.

    I suppose you’ll want real grasshoppers as well, misha. 🙂

  57. avatar
    Mary Brown February 2, 2011 at 6:13 pm #

    Your values are only values if you practice when it is difficult. I suppose Orly has difficulties and we see her values. Doc, we have also seen yours.

  58. avatar
    misha February 2, 2011 at 6:25 pm #

    Mary Brown: Your values are only values if you practice when it is difficult.

    “We only have principles when our stomachs are full.”

  59. avatar
    KenyanBornObamAcorn February 2, 2011 at 6:38 pm #

    “I say that if they can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen, but “going personal” is going too far.”

    Actually I agree with you 100%. I was on the Fogbow and they posted my personal info on there for all to see. Therefore all the people who attacked me on there got a taste of their own medicine. It’s kind of funny how they can bash everyone they want and go personal on anyone they feel like it, but when they get a taste of their own medicine, they can’t take it.

    So, as you say, if THEY can’t take the same HEAT that they are dishing out, they perhaps they shouldn’t be dishig it out! They went personal on me and all I did was return the favor. After we started finding out that they were all left wing lawyers and they were closely hooked to Obama and Soros, then it seems that there is a reason to get this information out to the public. If Obama is in ANYWAY at all paying these people WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS, believe me, SH*T will hit the fan. It’s all still being investigated and connections have been made between Soros and Obama, but you better hope they don’t find a money trail!

  60. avatar
    J. Edward Tremlett February 2, 2011 at 7:04 pm #

    so where was this list of anti-birthers? I’m wondering if I made the cut, yet 🙂

  61. avatar
    US Citizen February 2, 2011 at 7:34 pm #

    Both idiots and scholars alike visit Taitz’ website.
    But the idiots tend to avoid sites like yours, Doc, because they don’t want to hear the truth.
    They want to cheer-lead at the ball games of losers.

    But your website has not cost you $20K in sanctions and Orly is too stupid to capitalize effectively on the traffic she does get.
    So no worries.
    Chances are that Lady Gaga’s site gets more hits than whitehouse.gov too, but it’s quality, not quantity that counts.

  62. avatar
    G February 2, 2011 at 8:44 pm #

    US Citizen: But the idiots tend to avoid sites like yours, Doc, because they don’t want to hear the truth.
    They want to cheer-lead at the ball games of losers.

    Well, they get brave enough to send one or two idiots at a time here to spew nonsense for awhile and then run away and tag out after they’ve been spanked, so that a fresh idiot can take over the concern trolling for them…and repeat ad nauseum.

  63. avatar
    Slartibartfast February 2, 2011 at 8:55 pm #

    G:
    Well, they get brave enough to send one or two idiots at a time here to spew nonsense for awhile and then run away and tag out after they’ve been spanked, so that a fresh idiot can take over the concern trolling for them…and repeat ad nauseum.

    It’s like the practice of counting coup among the plains Indians – I think it affords them some pathetic prestige in their world…

  64. avatar
    E. Glenn harcsar February 2, 2011 at 9:18 pm #

    Hoka hey

  65. avatar
    US Citizen February 2, 2011 at 9:51 pm #

    Trying to be empathetic with a birther is difficult, but I imagine some get brave enough to join places like this to test out their few remaining concerns, let out anger and play with their egos.
    I truly think some of them come here just to verify themselves, whether it’s their beliefs or their ego.

    For example, if they come here and we’re jerks to them, they can say we’re jerks and feel better about themselves.
    They expected us to act hostile, got it and are now happy because they made an excursion into enemy lands. Ego fed.

    But I think it catches some of them off-guard when we take the time to explain things they have concerns about and got conflicting reports about on other blogs.
    They want verification, but they don’t always expect to sit down for tea with the enemy.
    They expect a fight usually.

    But if they’re using a screen name that’s not well known, they’re not going to derive much prestige from their co-horts.
    Coming here is a personal thing for them usually, imho.
    Bragging rights seem minimal.

  66. avatar
    G February 2, 2011 at 10:58 pm #

    Slartibartfast: It’s like the practice of counting coup among the plains Indians – I think it affords them some pathetic prestige in their world…

    Although they never “escape unharmed”…

  67. avatar
    kimba February 3, 2011 at 7:51 am #

    Birthers can’t be taken seriously. The legalistic arguments they copy and paste from Mario’s or the Goat or Orly don’t stand up to logic and fact. Once you’ve explained why their myths are nonsense, they should be mocked. They should be made to feel shame for their thinly veiled racism. If Barack Obama were not a natural born citizen of the United States, he would have never been sworn into office. One of the points birthers make is that the Democratic Party knew Obama was not eligibile and helped him get elected anyway so Democrats don’t respect the Constitution. Yet birthers’ entire argument is based on turning the Constitution, US law and 200+ years of citizenship case law on its ear in an attempt to disqualify a guy they don’t like because he’s black. They should be deeply ashamed of it. The idea that they would know more about the Constitution and the law than the 73 judges who have ruled against birther cases is laughable and they deserve every bit of mocking they’re given. The best legal minds they can find to represent their viewpoint are Orly, Mario and Berg? It’s hilarious!

  68. avatar
    misha February 3, 2011 at 10:58 am #

    kimba: The best legal minds they can find to represent their viewpoint are Orly, Mario and Berg? It’s hilarious!

    Berg started the Mombassa myth, because he was a HRC supporter. It started with a Democrat, outside of Philly.

    Orly is doing this because she feels Obama is bad for Israel, and believes she can drive him from office.

    Mario is a DUI hack, and does it because the gullible are easy marks.

  69. avatar
    misha February 3, 2011 at 11:26 am #

    misha: outside of Philly

    ‘Outside of a dog, a book is man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.’ – Groucho Marx

  70. avatar
    Black Lion February 3, 2011 at 11:29 am #

    Good article over at ConWebWatch regarding WND….

    WorldNetDaily’s Whitewashed Poster Boys
    The people WND is portraying as champions of its favorite causes have histories of abuse, racism, and more that it doesn’t want you to know about.
    By Terry Krepel
    Posted 2/2/2011

    ——————————————————————————–

    WorldNetDaily seems to have a knack for picking as poster boys for its right-wing agenda people whose unsavory backgrounds it must hide from readers in order not to tarnish the victim aura it creates around them. As ConWebWatch has already detailed:

    WND championed the cause of a homeschooling family squabbling with the state over the children’s education, while burying the family’s history of a controlling and abusive father (who wouldn’t even allow his children to have birth certificates), a meek and acquiescent mother, sexual abuse by a family friend, deplorable living conditions, and a substandard homeschool education.
    WND took the side of a man whose newborn child was taken into custody by state officials over his alleged links to a right-wing extremist group, ignoring the fact that state officials also cited “a lengthy history of domestic violence” between him and the mother of the child, along with other child abuse allegations within the family. WND also ignored the fact that the man had a large cache of weapons including a Taser, that the man as a high school student pleaded guilty to criminal threatening after telling a fellow student he was going to “create another Columbine,” and that the man’s own father called for the charges to be investigated.
    Sadly, those are far from the only examples. Meet three more.

    Tim Adams
    A June 10 WND article by Joe Kovacs touted “the stunning claim Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State.” The claim was made by Tim Adams, “senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008.” Kovacs added that “People started to pay attention this week after he was briefly interviewed by James Edwards, host of a weekly radio show on WLRM Radio in Memphis, Tenn.

    Unmentioned by Kovacs: Edwards’ radio show is called “The Political Cesspool,” whose website states, “We represent a philosophy that is pro-White.” Further, Adams made his claim to Edwards while he was broadcasting from the national conference of the Council of Conservative Citizens. The CofCC is described by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as a “white supremacist” “hate group,” and by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as having a “white supremacy, white separatism” ideology.

    Perhaps WND didn’t see that as being a problem — after all, Jerome Corsi has appeared on Edwards’ show before and was scheduled to again until abruptly canceling in the wake of the show’s nature getting publicized.

    After writing a follow-up article that again failed to mention Adams’ racist ties, Kovacs pussyfooted around it in a June 20 article, noting that “Since WND’s original report, Adams has come under fire from some critics online who suggested Adams may hold an anti-black philosophy and that his assertions were possibly racially motivated.” Kovacs then not only portrayed Adams as not racist — even though at no point does Adams directly address the issue during the interview — he quoted Adams suggesting that others pursuing the eligibility question are racist:

    Adams, though, said it’s people still asking Obama to prove his eligibility who tend to have race-based sentiments against the commander in chief.

    “Some people are basically racist,” Adams said. “It’s a question of race. They don’t like having someone who’s not white, or they don’t like someone who’s from such a different heritage as President Obama, because his family has ties to Africa. His family also has ties to middle America, so to me it’s also a non-issue. The other thing is, is he is a liberal, he’s a Democrat. There’s a lot of political rancor in the country in the last decade, starting with President Bush, and then we had 9/11. We’ve had the wars overseas. And this entire fight between the Left and the Right has become so Balkanized that anything someone finds, they say, ‘Oh look, he lied about being born inside the United States. There must be something terrible there!’ But they’re extrapolating something that’s not true.”

    WND, of course, is the leading promoter of birtherism. Which means Adams is, in effect, calling WND racist.

    Despite that revealing quote, Kovacs dishonestly framed the issue. At no point during the Kentucky interview was Adams asked about his white supremacist ties; the above quoted answer was in response to the question, “So why do you think there is still this hubbub among some factions of the U.S. regarding his citizenship?”
    Kovacs was more forceful in his defense of Adams in a June 28 article, portraying him as “the victim of a vicious smear campaign,” which includes the allegation that he’s a “racist.” But Kovacs never addressed the core evidence to support that allegation.

    Instead, he tried to go the diversion route, obsessing over Keith Olbermann’s use of a plural in recounting Adams’ racist ties instead of tackling the core issue:

    “Oops! You’re quoting white supremacists about a black president,” Olbermann said. “Well done, WorldNetDaily!”

    WND’s story from which Olbermann was reading quoted Adams only based on WND’s own, exclusive, hour-long phone interview with the former elections official, and mentioned no one else making any similar claim about Obama’s hospital-generated birth certificate being non-existent.

    Adams, did, however, initially make his allegation June 5 on a show hosted by James Edwards of WLRM Radio in Memphis, Tenn. The show’s website describes Edwards – not Tim Adams – as having an “unapologetically pro-white viewpoint.”
    Kovacs’ effort to divorce Adams from Edwards by claiming that Edwards’ website didn’t describe Adams as “pro-white” is as laughable as it is lame. AOf course, at no point in the article did Kovacs ask Adams to explain why he was at a CofCC convention (or even note that he was there in the first place) or why he chose to be interviewed by a “pro-white” radio host. He also noted that “if anyone is racist against blacks on this issue, Adams says it is those who suggest Obama is not eligible to hold office” — but he doesn’t ask Adams if he thinks the birther kings at WND are racist.

    Kovacs parroted once again Adams’ story that he was a “senior election clerk” who “had a secretary, private office, two assistants and about 50 temp workers” working under him, and that he had access to “numerous government databases” and “unfettered Internet access, something else the workers didn’t possess,” but he ignored anyone who contradicted Adams’ story. Like Glen Takahashi, whom Kovacs cited as verifying that Adams was a senior elections clerk. Blogger Dave Weigel wrote:

    I checked with Glen Takahashi, the administrator of the Honolulu City Clerk’s office, and while he verified that Adams worked there, he explained – gently making it clear he did not want to “call anyone a liar” — that Adams never actually had access to information about Barack Obama.

    “Our office does not have access to birth records,” Takahashi said. “That’s handled by the state of Hawaii Department of Health. Where he’s getting that, I don’t know. Put it this way: Barack Obama was not trying to register to vote in Hawaii. He is, as far as I know, not a registered voter here. So no one was looking that up.”

    Takahashi explained that the “senior elections clerk” job that Adams held was a low-level data entry position dealing with voter registration and absentee ballots — Adams was one of dozens of temporary employees who staffed the pre-election rush. And he contradicted Adams’s claims that Obama’s lack of a birth certificate was an “open secret” or that voters contacted the office to ask about it.

    “To be honest, I fielded no questions about that,” Takahashi said. “Why would anyone ask us? We don’t have those records.”
    That would seem to undermine Adams’ story, but Kovacs doesn’t want his readers to know about it. He notes that “Some of Adams’ critics have derided him online as being just “a temp” at the elections office,” but not that one of them is Adams’ supervisor.

    WND still considers Adams to be credible — and is still hiding his past. A Jan. 24 article by Jerome Corsi touted an affidavit Adams signed “swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.”

    Adams’ affidavit is virtually meaningless because he is offering only hearsay evidence. Further, there’s no evidence Obama was a registered voter in Hawaii in 2008 — indeed, he cast his ballot in Illinois that year — so Adams would have no access to such information. And of course, Corsi failed to acknowledge Adams’ racist ties.

    Walter Fitzpatrick
    Adams is not the only birther activist whose background WND has had to whitewash. From an Oct. 28 WND article by Brian Fitzpatrick:

    Filing a complaint about President Obama’s eligibility has led retired Navy Lt. Cmdr. Walter Fitzpatrick III into some very deep waters.

    The 58-year-old Naval Academy graduate is now paying the price for fighting City Hall. Fitzpatrick was arrested Wednesday for missing a court date, and he now sits in jail after allegedly being beaten and tasered by Monroe County, Tenn., deputies.

    “I’ve been told he’s been beaten up pretty good, enough to require X-rays,” freelance reporter J.B. Williams told WND.
    So Brian Fitzpatrick has essentially claimed that Walter Fitzpatrick was jailed for questioning Obama’s “eligibility.” Only that’s not the case.

    After a lot of conspiracy-mongering about purported “corruption in the county courts and sheriff’s office,” as exemplified by the claim that “state law places a two-year limit on the term of a grand jury foreman, but Monroe County grand jury foreman Gary Pettway has occupied the office for 27 years” — really, that’s the only actual alleged offense cited — Brian Fitzpatrick finally hinted at the truth in the 18th paragraph of his article: “In April, Fitzpatrick attempted to execute a citizen’s arrest of Pettway at the county courthouse, resulting in his own arrest for allegedly inciting a riot.”

    Meanwhile, the Associated Press told the story that WND wouldn’t — specifically, that the jailing of Walter Fitzpatrick had nothing at all to do with his birther tendencies:

    Fitzpatrick is charged along with Darren W. Huff, 40, a former militia member from Dallas, Ga., accused of inciting a riot at the Monroe County Courthouse in April while coming to Fitzpatrick’s defense after Fitzpatrick’s intrusion on the closed grand jury session.

    Huff, who also faces related federal charges, was among about a dozen armed people who gathered at the courthouse. Records show Huff had said that he and others planned to take over the courthouse in Madisonville and arrest “domestic enemies of the United States engaged in treason.”

    Fitzpatrick disrupted the grand jury in a failed attempt to arrest Gary Pettway, who Fitzpatrick claims was unlawfully serving as foreman after serving continuously for almost three decades.

    Blackwood previously dismissed a defense motion that Fitzpatrick and Huff were indicted by a “tainted” grand jury process and refused to dismiss felony and misdemeanor charges that include civil rights intimidation.
    Ironically, Brian Fitzpatrick linked to this very same AP article — but only for the purpose of repeating the claim by a local district attorney who “said in a previous court filing that rulings in such challenges of grand juror qualifications show there is ‘no limit on the number of two-year terms for which a foreman may be reappointed.'” The rest of the article was completely ignored.

    Also unmentioned by WND: Walter Fitzpatrick has a lengthy list of contacts with law enforcement, ranging from numerous instances of alleged domestic violence and harassment to restraining orders and various other judgments filed against him. Fitzpatrick was also court-martialed and convicted of failing to properly supervise the spending of his ship’s “morale, welfare and recreation” money, effectively ending his Navy career.

    Yet somehow, this is a man whom WorldNetDaily considers a sane and reasonable advocate for making the case against Barack Obama’s “eligibility” to be president.

    http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2011/wndposterboys.html

  71. avatar
    Sean February 3, 2011 at 12:00 pm #

    misha:
    Outside of a dog, a book is man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.’ – Groucho Marx

    A black cat crossing your path indicates the animal is going somewhere.

  72. avatar
    Bovril February 3, 2011 at 1:39 pm #

    Generic FYI folks,

    Mad Old Orly has ramped up the “outing Obots and posting their details on my web site” meme again.

    She has one or more of her flying monkeys out trawling the inter tubes to ID people she hates…for telling her facts.

  73. avatar
    Black Lion February 3, 2011 at 2:16 pm #

    More hilarity from the Post and EFail….The natives are getting restless regarding the politicans ignoring them and not getting rid of the “usurper”…lol.

    Dear Rep. Broun,

    I saw your interview following the SOTU with CBS.

    I think it is imperative that just ONE elected Representative in D.C. stand up for the Constitution. I am PRAYING you are that hero. Barack claims that his father is Barack Sr., a British/Kenyan subject/citizen. It makes no difference where he was born, by our Constitution, he is not eligible as a dual citizen. He has admitted his dual citizenship on his own website, and in his own writings.

    Our Revered Constitution is under major attack. Hawaiian officials have broken their own laws to defend his secrecy, and in fact, the HDOH seal on the exhibited COLB is fraudulent. It is NOT the legal HDOH seal as Hawaiian law prescribes.

    PLEASE, Sir, if you truly intend to adhere to our Constitution, be steadfast in your courage, and address the eligibility issue. Congress has the right to call for an investigation, and the American public is crying out for a conclusion to this matter. A recent “CNN” poll shows over 60% of Americans no longer believe Barack has met the eligibility requirements laid out in the Constitution.

    I PRAY you are not just giving the Constitution lip service, but will indeed defend her from all enemies, both foreign and domestic.

    And in some of the comments…

    live oak says:
    Thursday, February 3, 2011 at 2:06 AM
    I think it’s time to start a campaign for at least a few thousand signatures to get the state militias to act on our behalf. They need the support of the citizens to be able to mobilize. Tthat’s the only thing that will make a difference at this point to save the Constitution, our freedoms, and the country. Don’t wait til they declare martial law. LA airport tsa is being trained by the muslim brotherhood. kenya boy already has his civilian army, and they’re just like the stasi in East Germany in the 80′s. Here is the article. Commie blaster carried it…dated 1/29

    http://socialismisnottheanswer.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/muslim-brotherhood-front-group-trains-airport-screeners/

    NUTN2SAY says:
    Wednesday, February 2, 2011 at 8:09 PM
    Isn’t it ironic that when there is a valid and legitimate point of Constitutional Law that actually is in the U.S. Constitution (ARTICLE 2 SECTION 1) and there are American citizens who want to have a debate about it, where one side puts all their facts on the table and the other side puts all their facts on the table too….It can’t be done because someone has imposed what seems to be a blockade on that Constitutional matter saying that particular subject just will not be discussed in America! But now you have Obamacare which is not in the Constitution and it’s being debated. The very first SCOTUS Chief Justice John Jay (I call the father of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN as it pertains to the Constitution) Understood very well NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. Another SCOTUS Chief Justice Morrison R. Waite in the 1874 SCOTUS case of Minor v. Happersett confirms, validates, and substantiates John Jay! The Founding Fathers original intent of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN is to be defined as being born to a mother and father both of whom are U.S. citizens at the time of birth! Obama’s father was never a U.S. citizen and that is a well known fact! Obama was never a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN and was never qualified to run for the office of the president! But the democrats and republicans with the help of people like Bill O’Reilly, Beck, Levin and the rest of the Main Stream Media committed treason to the U.S. Constitution for a unqualified candidate! Why? Why was it so important to give one person out of 300 million such special treatment? Why can’t people from both sides present their facts to the American people and let Constitutional Justice have an opportunity to do it’s job? Why did the democrats and the republicans do this to the American people? Why aren’t the American people raising hell about this violation of the U.S. Constitution by those who have violated their sworn oath to serve and protect the U.S. Constitution?

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/02/02/constituent-to-u-s-congressman-be-a-hero/

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    Majority Will February 3, 2011 at 2:26 pm #

    Black Lion: Why aren’t the American people raising hell about this . . .

    Because most Americans aren’t psychopaths with severe dementia.

  75. avatar
    Sean February 3, 2011 at 3:31 pm #

    Hey, does anyone have any information on Orly Taitz breaching the confidentiality of her dental patients?

  76. avatar
    Black Lion February 3, 2011 at 3:50 pm #

    Proof that the fake claim by Mike Evans will never die. ORYR is still pimping that nonsense, now focusing on the lie that the Abercrombie claimed he got a search warrant to view the Birth certificate….No matter what the birthers are going to believe in the lies over the truth….

    Mike Evans: Gov. Abercrombie Used a Search Warrant to Acquire Obama’s Missing Birth Certificate

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KBdRIN1IXLc#

    Video: Lost in Translation; Hollywood Reporter and friend of Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie, Mike Evans, stated that Governor Abercrombie used a search warrant to try and acquire Obama’s birth certificate at the hospitals in Hawaii. I missed this shocking tidbit the first 20 times listening to the numerous Evans’ audio clips. A search warrant!? Hat tip to Guildgob for pointing out this shocking revelation.

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    misha February 3, 2011 at 4:12 pm #

    Sean: Hey, does anyone have any information on Orly Taitz breaching the confidentiality of her dental patients?

    No, but I’d love to hear. Anyone?

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    US Citizen February 3, 2011 at 4:24 pm #

    That letter is a hoot!
    Always so dramatic aren’t they?

    A search warrant?
    As in one provided by a judge when he has probable cause that evidence may be imminently destroyed?
    Yup. Right. I see that happening very easily.
    I wonder why they haven’t filed fraud charges since they found no BC there during their search?
    Those poor Hawaiian health officials must be shaking in their boots.
    Shaking, I tell you!!

    I really think there should be a constitutional amendment that excludes stupid and / or crazy people from voting.

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    Sef February 3, 2011 at 5:29 pm #

    US Citizen: I really think there should be a constitutional amendment that excludes stupid and / or crazy people from voting.

    Don’t you believe in having at least 2 political parties?

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    GeorgetownJD February 3, 2011 at 6:02 pm #

    Predictably, Orly’s offer of a truce has been revoked. She’s back at it again with a new Enemies List.

    To which her half dozen flying monkeys have failed to respond.

    We are witnessing the finale where the swan dies …

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    Majority Will February 3, 2011 at 6:34 pm #

    GeorgetownJD: Predictably, Orly’s offer of a truce has been revoked.She’s back at it again with a new Enemies List.To which her half dozen flying monkeys have failed to respond.We are witnessing the finale where the swan dies …

    Has anyone tried just throwing a bucket of water on her?

  82. avatar
    misha February 3, 2011 at 6:39 pm #

    Majority Will: Has anyone tried just throwing a bucket of water on her?

    I’m melting, aieeeeeeeeeeee……….

  83. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 3, 2011 at 7:31 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: “I say that if they can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen, but “going personal” is going too far.”

    Actually I agree with you 100%. I was on the Fogbow and they posted my personal info on there for all to see. Therefore all the people who attacked me on there got a taste of their own medicine. It’s kind of funny how they can bash everyone they want and go personal on anyone they feel like it, but when they get a taste of their own medicine, they can’t take it.

    You posted my personal information here and at examiner.com. How is it that you agree with me that going personal is going to far, when that is exactly what you did?

    Have I ever posted your information? Have I ever said one word about you on the FogBow forum? Do I even care who you are? No.

    Now you are threatening me with a YouTube video “outing” me. Yet you claim that publishing personal information is going to far.

    You are a damned hypocrite.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) February 3, 2011 at 7:48 pm #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: “I say that if they can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen, but “going personal” is going too far.”Actually I agree with you 100%. I was on the Fogbow and they posted my personal info on there for all to see. Therefore all the people who attacked me on there got a taste of their own medicine. It’s kind of funny how they can bash everyone they want and go personal on anyone they feel like it, but when they get a taste of their own medicine, they can’t take it.So, as you say, if THEY can’t take the same HEAT that they are dishing out, they perhaps they shouldn’t be dishig it out! They went personal on me and all I did was return the favor. After we started finding out that they were all left wing lawyers and they were closely hooked to Obama and Soros, then it seems that there is a reason to get this information out to the public. If Obama is in ANYWAY at all paying these people WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS, believe me, SH*T will hit the fan. It’s all still being investigated and connections have been made between Soros and Obama, but you better hope they don’t find a money trail!

    Again what does the fogbow have anything to do with how you act here?

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    US Citizen February 3, 2011 at 7:58 pm #

    Sef: Don’t you believe in having at least 2 political parties?

    What… Sane and insane?

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    US Citizen February 3, 2011 at 8:23 pm #

    Doc… wear it with a badge of honor.
    It means they’re scared of you.
    You publish honesty and they can’t have any of that.
    They don’t believe in freedom of speech and if they do, they don’t understand the limits and liabilities they’re placing themselves at.

    It’s documented who first published names and if “anything happens”, they can be the next headline news.

    Anyone who had their name published, especially if harm was brought to even one, would have the ability to sue her.
    Damages are pain and suffering, loss of mobility.. there’s many.

    Threats, specific, implied… they’re bankable.
    If someone is so scared of you that they’d risk who owns their own house, that’s their problem.
    Bring the lawsuits one after another, party after party and the judge can’t consolidate them.
    I have a feeling Orly’s pockets are far deeper than imagined.
    After the first couple cases, she’ll still have money left.
    Milk her dry.
    Sure she’ll be appealing all over the place, but she’ll be losing all over the place too.
    When has she EVER won?
    Take her to civil court.
    Judgment after judgment will be levied upon her.
    You can end up with a lien against her house, cars, businesses… you name it.
    You can have her bank accounts attached.
    Her credit wiped out.
    Perhaps even some jail time if any of the cases are of criminal aspect. (someone gets hurt.)

    She has zero credibility, no successful track record and has already offended judges at every level.
    Her against the Fogbow lawyers? C’mon.
    Paperwork that reads like literature on one side and oatmeal on the other?
    Orly has never won. Never. A perfect loser.
    So this is the perfect way to take care of her.
    Let her own stupidity and poor judgment hit her in the pocketbook.
    She’s already embarked on causing damages and can’t put the genie back in the bottle now.
    Consider the Liberi case.
    Take her to the bank!

  87. avatar
    Patrick McKinnion February 3, 2011 at 8:29 pm #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP: This is more evidence of their increasing desperation. The Republicans in Congress whom the birther klan was counting on to start investigations of President Obama’s eligibility as soon as they took office told them to pound salt. They know the jig is up, and they are out to destroy anyone who disagrees with them as a last resort.

    Pretty much so. They’ve had everything else fail on them, and they’re reduced to attacking the debunking sites as a result.

    I found my “outing” funny, since all one had to do was go to the about page at “Bad Fiction” to see my information. After all, it’s not like I’m doing something shameful, like making up racist lies about a democratically-elected natural-born President…….

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    Majority Will February 3, 2011 at 8:35 pm #

    Patrick McKinnion: I found my “outing” funny, since all one had to do was go to the about page at “Bad Fiction” to see my information. After all, it’s not like I’m doing something shameful, like making up racist lies about a democratically-elected natural-born President…….

    lmao 😀

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    FUTTHESHUCKUP February 3, 2011 at 8:36 pm #

    Patrick McKinnion:
    Pretty much so. They’ve had everything else fail on them, and they’re reduced to attacking the debunking sites as a result.I found my “outing” funny, since all one had to do was go to the about page at “Bad Fiction” to see my information. After all, it’s not like I’m doing something shameful, like making up racist lies about a democratically-elected natural-born President…….

    They outed you too, Patrick? Who? Taitz?

  90. avatar
    FUTTHESHUCKUP February 3, 2011 at 8:40 pm #

    They’ve pretty much made absolute fools out of themselves for the past two and a half years, and now they’re just trying to turn the tables. Problem is, there’s nothing wrong with defending the Constitutional rights of 69.5 million Americans. There is something wrong, however, with spreading propaganda and lies because they don’t like Americans exercising their Constitutional rights.

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    Majority Will February 3, 2011 at 8:55 pm #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP: Problem is, there’s nothing wrong with defending the Constitutional rights of 69.5 million Americans.

    There’s nothing wrong with defending the Constitutional rights of all Americans no matter what political affiliation or mental health. The laws apply to all equally.

    And there is nothing illegal about spreading propaganda and lies because they don’t like Americans exercising their Constitutional rights. We have an adversarial political system.
    Making a fool of yourself is protected.

    Respect of the law must go both ways.

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    FUTTHESHUCKUP February 3, 2011 at 9:02 pm #

    Majority Will:
    There’s nothing wrong with defending the Constitutional rights of all Americans no matter what political affiliation or mental health. The laws apply to all equally.And there is nothing illegal about spreading propaganda and lies because they don’t like Americans exercising their Constitutional rights. We have an adversarial political system.
    Making a fool of yourself is protected.Respect of the law must go both ways.

    That’s true, Will, but there is something wrong with it when the desired end result is violence, which is what I believe they have been trying to do all along. They know what end they want and don’t really care about the means anyone uses to bring that end about.

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    Majority Will February 3, 2011 at 9:18 pm #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP:
    That’s true, Will, but there is something wrong with it when the desired end result is violence, which is what I believe they have been trying to do all along. They know what end they want and don’t really care about the means anyone uses to bring that end about.

    Yes, which is why I have no doubt that as they get more desperate, more birthers will end up in court but not for the reason for which they’ve fantasized.

    There is something illegal with it when the desired end result is violence. And I hope it’s stopped before any more people are hurt or killed.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) February 3, 2011 at 9:29 pm #

    Patrick McKinnion:
    Pretty much so. They’ve had everything else fail on them, and they’re reduced to attacking the debunking sites as a result.I found my “outing” funny, since all one had to do was go to the about page at “Bad Fiction” to see my information. After all, it’s not like I’m doing something shameful, like making up racist lies about a democratically-elected natural-born President…….

    Where can I see said outings? I wonder if I’ve been “outed” yet

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    misha February 3, 2011 at 10:00 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): Where can I see said outings? I wonder if I’ve been “outed” yet

    That’s what I was wondering. Can anyone give me the direct link if there is anything about myself?

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    Patrick McKinnion February 3, 2011 at 10:13 pm #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP:
    They outed you too, Patrick? Who? Taitz?

    Yep! (Sam Sewell tried to a year or so ago too. He got annoyed when I made fun of his attempt.)

  97. avatar
    Patrick McKinnion February 3, 2011 at 10:15 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    Where can I see said outings?I wonder if I’ve been “outed” yet

    It’s a PDF file on Dr. Orly’s malware-infested blog. And nope, you’re not in it.

    Yet.

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    Patrick McKinnion February 3, 2011 at 10:16 pm #

    misha:
    That’s what I was wondering. Can anyone give me the direct link if there is anything about myself?

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Kevin-Davidson-2-3-2011.pdf

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    Slartibartfast February 3, 2011 at 10:25 pm #

    Patrick McKinnion:
    Yep! (Sam Sewell tried to a year or so ago too. He got annoyed when I made fun of his attempt.)

    I’m surprised that he was clever enough to find your name at the bottom of every one of your posts…

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) February 3, 2011 at 10:47 pm #

    Slartibartfast:
    I’m surprised that he was clever enough to find your name at the bottom of every one of your posts…

    Wow that was some excellent sleuthing who knew that Patrick McKinnion was actually Patrick McKinnion?

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    Slartibartfast February 3, 2011 at 10:51 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    Wow that was some excellent sleuthing who knew that Patrick McKinnion was actually Patrick McKinnion?

    I admit that it was a fiendishly clever disguise – kudos Patrick! (if that is your real name… ;-))

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) February 3, 2011 at 10:54 pm #

    Slartibartfast:
    I admit that it was a fiendishly clever disguise – kudos Patrick! (if that is your real name… )

    I’m just surprised that she didn’t put two and two together and think that Patrick Duffy was behind it all

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    FUTTHESHUCKUP February 3, 2011 at 10:55 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    Wow that was some excellent sleuthing who knew that Patrick McKinnion was actually Patrick McKinnion?

    Yes, and who might “Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross)” be? Hmmmm. It’s going to take a rocket scientist like Taitz to figure that one out.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) February 3, 2011 at 10:57 pm #

    FUTTHESHUCKUP:
    Yes, and who might “Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross)” be? Hmmmm. It’s going to take a rocket scientist like Taitz to figure that one out.

    I’ll save her the trouble its a reference to Anchorman

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) February 3, 2011 at 10:59 pm #

    I say we put together a pdf to post of the “Fogbow Organization” and include Boris and Natasha, Dr Evil, Odd job, etc

  106. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) February 3, 2011 at 11:11 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): I say we put together a pdf to post of the “Fogbow Organization” and include Boris and Natasha, Dr Evil, Odd job, etc

    Oily Taints exposing of the Fogbow Organization. I think we should add Cobra Commander to the list as well as Elmer Fudd

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    ellid February 4, 2011 at 7:51 am #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross):
    Oily Taints exposing of the Fogbow Organization.I think we should add Cobra Commander to the list as well as Elmer Fudd

    Also Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock, Sherlock Holmes, Dr. Watson, Archie Goodwin, Ellery Queen, Vic Warshawski, Eve Dallas, Sam Spade, Loveday Brooke, The Continental Op, Philip Marlowe, Spenser, Hawk, Hercule Poirot, Jane Marple, Kinsey Milhone, Kay Scarpetta, Luke Skywalker, Paul Atreides, Duncan Idaho (and Duncan Idaho, and Duncan Idaho, and Duncan Idaho)…..