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Long form changed a few minds: polls say

The Christian Science Monitor has a new “post Osama” poll out:

… 64 percent said they “always knew President Obama was born in the US.” Nine percent said they’d had some doubts but that once they’d seen the long-form birth certificate they were “satisfied that he was born in the US,” for a total of 73 percent. Twenty percent said they “still had some doubts about where he was born,” and 6 percent weren’t sure.

Read the article.

So that’s about 1 in 3 birthers who said they were convinced by the long form. Pretty darned good, I’d say.

12 Responses to Long form changed a few minds: polls say

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    Slartibartfast May 16, 2011 at 2:10 am #

    I would agree – I think birtherism is in the process of sinking into the cesspool of things the media no longer cares about without a ripple. It’s about time.

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    US Citizen May 16, 2011 at 7:20 am #

    As far as Orly and the others, I think they are out of bullets.
    They’ve played every angle.
    After the LFBC release, all have less supporters.
    Otherwise, I would disagree that birtherism is on its last breath.

    Just prior to the LFBC being released, birtherism was very strong.
    Perhaps at its peak during the Trump press.
    Then, we were already 1/2 way through Obama’s term.
    Despite only 2 more years of them having to suffer, birtherism was still growing.
    Now given a possibility of 6 more years, it’s unreasonable to consider it abating sooner than later.

    What I’m curious about is to what degree the so-called Tea party will be equated with birtherism in the future.
    Will there be less tea partiers now that there’s fewer birthers?

    If one follows the classic Kübler-Ross model for grief, birtherism could have been the Denial, Anger and Depression stages.
    Bargaining and Acceptance are the only things left and I think they’re applicable to whatever remains of the Tea Party influence.

    For example, if there’s any Tea Party rallies, I expect they’ll carry less signs displaying birther memes than before.
    Removing birthers can legitimize the Tea Party, thus strengthening it or rob it of its members and help fracture it.
    I await to see how closely the public and media perceived the two.
    I’m also curious if remaining birthers will simply switch to the two-parent or dual-citizenship beliefs and remain proud birthers.

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    The Magic M May 16, 2011 at 8:40 am #

    > I’m also curious if remaining birthers will simply switch to the two-parent or dual-citizenship beliefs and remain proud birthers.

    Most of them will (also don’t forget the “Indonesian adoption” meme and the “he’s from Kenya, the COLB/LFBC are fakes” meme that also isn’t going to die anytime soon).

    I mean, did discovering the dinosaur skeletons stop Christians from believing in the Bible?

    Did discovering the (minimum) age of the universe stop Christian from believing in the Bible?

    Conspiracy theories are really conspiracy religions, so nothing is going to stop them. As someone said, if God himself came down from the heavens and said “Obama was born in Hawaii and is an NBC, I saw it myself and that’s how I wanted it to be”, they’d still not change their minds. They’ll just go “God was threatened by Soros” or “that isn’t God, that’s just a hallucination created by HAARP” or “God is lying to test our faith”.

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    Bovril May 16, 2011 at 8:47 am #

    From trawling the cess pools of Birfoonddom there has been an apparent marked and sudden lurch to De Vatellism in much of the drooling posts.

    This was always a theme but as the overall base has shrunk, the remaining fanatics have latched onto this as their idiocy of choice.

    When you attempt to show how they NEVER thought of this crap previously (as evidenced in their own posts) the lies and screeching reachs pitches only dogs and dolphins can hear, moderating has escalated markedly as well.

    There is substantial false memory creation underway with more and more Birfoons swearing blind that THEIR civics lessons ALWAYS taught them about the 2 citizen parent qualification.

    Requesting an example in any civics lesson plan or book in the last hundred years tened to send the sceams into overdrive followed by much flinging of poo.

    Then we have the general delusional ones, Squeeky AKA Jennifer4Hillary who just blithely ignore and care in with the same schtick without reference to passing facts or actions.

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    The Magic M May 16, 2011 at 9:43 am #

    > Requesting an example in any civics lesson plan or book in the last hundred years tened to send the sceams into overdrive followed by much flinging of poo.

    My latest attempt over at YouTube resulted in “KenyanBornObamAcorn” referring me to an image in her video where she “proved” that one College actually referenced a book by Vattel (gasp!).

    Of course she didn’t prove they cited Vattel as authoritative on natural born citizenship.

    Still, even if arguendo she had been right, it wouldn’t confirm the birfer lie that “everyone knows from civics class that NBC requires…” – if that were true, it would’ve been taught in high school, not in college (which not “everyone” attends).

    Somehow she believes that a vague reference to using a Vattel book in college class is proof of Vattel’s NBC definition (resp. a distorted version thereof) being taught in school.

    That’s a bit like saying “because all schools teach the Bible, it is proven all schools teach that evolution theory is wrong and creationism is right”. A blatant non sequitur.

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    G May 16, 2011 at 10:17 am #

    Bovril: From trawling the cess pools of Birfoonddom there has been an apparent marked and sudden lurch to De Vatellism in much of the drooling posts.
    This was always a theme but as the overall base has shrunk, the remaining fanatics have latched onto this as their idiocy of choice.

    I don’t think the general public nor the media are going to pay attention to any of their Vattel rants (nor the Indonesia myth).

    They are pretty much done at the court level with these to angles of attack, until at least the actual election registrations are done and the true 2012 campaign is underway – if they can find a sucker candidate to challenge during this time, they might reach their holy grail of “standing” to try to get an argument heard. They’ll try pulling out the Vattel card, etc. at that point and get shot down hard.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) May 16, 2011 at 10:25 am #

    G: I don’t think the general public nor the media are going to pay attention to any of their Vattel rants (nor the Indonesia myth).They are pretty much done at the court level with these to angles of attack, until at least the actual election registrations are done and the true 2012 campaign is underway – if they can find a sucker candidate to challenge during this time, they might reach their holy grail of “standing” to try to get an argument heard. They’ll try pulling out the Vattel card, etc. at that point and get shot down hard.

    G do you think the court cases would continue if Obama is reelected?

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    Suranis May 16, 2011 at 10:27 am #

    Well, I’m going to come out and be a man. I said in a comment week or so before the BC came out that some birthers would change their minds but not a statistically significant number. I’m very pleased to say [/liemode] that I was completely wrong. It either seems to have given people the excuse they needed to drop birthism, or they were genuinely convinced by it.

    I’m not going to say whether it’s given birthism a mortal wound or not, but I think it’s going to metastasize and fragment into SS numbers, bad translations of Vattel and silly questions about the fact that a black man got to Harvard, basically casting doubt upon every aspect of his life. The god thing is that those kinds of questions are much easier to fight as they are literally insane.

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    G May 16, 2011 at 11:02 am #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): G do you think the court cases would continue if Obama is reelected?

    Good question.

    I would think much of their crazy will move to become primarily focused on a desperate grasp to prevent his re-election at all costs. (hopefully, without any lone nuts trying to take extreme measures in their own hands…but I think Secret Service should be well staffed and prepared at all times).

    Like last time, the Birthers might have some frothingly energized fits of activity (court & otherwise) in a desperate attempt to block or prevent his reinauguration, even post- election results.

    After that point, I think most of the wind will be out of their sails in terms of any legitimate avenues they can pursue.

    Then again…these are not rational people, so some of them will always be muttering Birther nonsense and rocking back and forth muttering “any day now”…but I don’t see any viable legal avenues after 1/20/2013 for them…

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) May 16, 2011 at 11:39 am #

    G: Good question. I would think much of their crazy will move to become primarily focused on a desperate grasp to prevent his re-election at all costs. (hopefully, without any lone nuts trying to take extreme measures in their own hands…but I think Secret Service should be well staffed and prepared at all times).Like last time, the Birthers might have some frothingly energized fits of activity (court & otherwise) in a desperate attempt to block or prevent his reinauguration, even post- election results.After that point, I think most of the wind will be out of their sails in terms of any legitimate avenues they can pursue.Then again…these are not rational people, so some of them will always be muttering Birther nonsense and rocking back and forth muttering “any day now”…but I don’t see any viable legal avenues after 1/20/2013 for them…

    You never know they might still be filing cases in 2017

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    Joey May 16, 2011 at 11:47 am #

    Haven’t you folks heard? Jerome Corsi’s new blockbuster is a game changer. The Supreme Court justices will read it. They will then grant cert to the brilliant Orly Taitz and Obama will be put in the same cell that Terry Lakin occupied. 😉

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    The Magic M May 16, 2011 at 12:41 pm #

    And then it’s chequemate (sic!)…