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Long form artifacts vanish at higher resolution

The PDF long form birth certificate was created at 12:09 PM following the White House press conference and released on the Internet. Subsequently, much was said about various artifacts and inconsistencies that people claim to have found in the online file. However, before that PDF was created and before any criticisms were made, there was another version of the long form, a handout given to the White House correspondents at the press conference. The handout version appears to be a black and white photocopy. The PDF version is an optimized image, with the color background and some of the text isolated into a low resolution lossy JPG layer with additional bitmaps in various resolutions of the purely back portions (the lowest resolution part of the PDF being the segment containing the registrar’s rubber stamp). The handout doesn’t have all this automatic software optimization and is at a much higher resolution.

A high-resolution scan of the photocopy is available (courtesy of The Obama File) and it explains a lot of what “seen” in the PDF .

TXE

What appears to be the letters “TXE” where “THE” belongs is an interesting artifact. Here’s what it looks like in the low resolution, optimized PDF image:

From PDF

Here’s what it looks like in the higher resolution unoptimized version:

From photocopy

In the preceding the vertical stroke on the right side of the “H” makes it clear that this is not an “X” but just some missing ink on the rubber stamp.

Dr. Onaka’s “smiley face”

Another humorous feature found was the “smiley face.” Again here is the low-resolution PDF version:

From PDF

But at a higher resolution, what looks like a mouth becomes an unattached smudge.

From photocopy

Certificate number digit

An objection was raised that the terminal digit of the certificate number didn’t match the rest of the number. In this case, examination of the PDF showed that the “1” was stored in a lossy, lo-resolution color layer of the PDF, while the balance of the number was stored in a higher-resolution black and white layer. This is an artifact of the compression. Here’s what the lossy, low-resolution PDF looks like:

From PDF

When we see the earlier, unoptimized, high-resolution photocopy, everything is treated the same and the number isn’t at all odd looking.

From photocopy

Male

One of the biggest complaints was a visual illusion that makes it seem that the typed word “Male” on the form is not curved as much as the form around it, proving that it was added later. I made the following series of illustrations to show that this also goes away under examination of a better image.

What I did here was to take the image and crop it, as shown in the first image, Male 1. I used a “copy” operation to duplicate the line that was underneath “Male” and then pasted it back, just a little higher (not to the right or the left) with a 50% percent transparency, so you could see what was underneath. You can see that the pasted link parallels the line under it precisely. Even with the lines this close, the longer original pulls the eye to believe that my pasted line is straighter — but you can measure it and prove that it is not.

Male 1

Then I inched the line up vertically a little bit to make the figure Male 2.

Male 2

Then I inched it up a little more to make the image Male 3. What appears in the final image is that the letter “M” is just a very tiny bit up (keep in mind how magnified these images are) and is consistent with vertical variance in other letters all over the form. This final image looks quite different from the trick the eye plays when the lines are separated from the text.

Male 3

I suppose a lot of time could have been saved if the White House had released a high-resolution JPG in the first place, but then how could we expect them to think like birthers?

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98 Responses to Long form artifacts vanish at higher resolution

  1. avatar
    Scientist June 8, 2011 at 8:53 pm #

    Where did The Obama File get this image?

    In reality, it adds nothing of course, since the pdf was sufficiently clear to show the place of birth, which is all that matters (as did the COLB).

  2. avatar
    richCares June 8, 2011 at 8:57 pm #

    you don’t understand the birher mind, it has to be TXE, has to, has to,has to
    typical birther: “I didn’t come from no monkey, that is a TXE which means it’s a fake, the forger Mike put that there and any day now Corsi will reveal the rest of Mike’s name”, go ahead birther just push that pay pal. Any Day Now!
    .
    the more I read birther posts the more convinced I am that they are mentally unstable.

  3. avatar
    Joey June 8, 2011 at 9:08 pm #

    Donald Trump still has investigators in Hawai’i and you won’t BELIEVE what they are finding.

  4. avatar
    john June 8, 2011 at 9:47 pm #

    Sorry doc, this one has already been looked at. It’s a forgery!
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=308397

    [Whoever wrote that WND article is as big an idiot as you. Doc.]

  5. avatar
    Scientist June 8, 2011 at 10:05 pm #

    john: If a state issues a birth certificate it is real BY DEFINITION.

    The same is true of currency. Bills issued by the Federal Reserve are valid currency by definition.

  6. avatar
    Joey June 8, 2011 at 10:12 pm #

    For John, The Hawaii Registrar of Vital Statistics, Dr. Alvin T. Onaka is alive and well. He is available if he is ever needed to testify in a court of law or before a committee of Congress as to the authenticity of Barack Hussein Obama II’s long form, vault copy Certificiate of Live Birth.
    Dr. Onaka applied his stamp to the certified copies of both the Obama short form COLB and the long form Certificate of Live Birth. That stamp says: “I CERTIFY THIS IS A TRUE COPY OR ABSTRACT OF THE RECORD ON FILE IN THE HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.”
    The short form COLB is an abstract, the long form is a copy.

  7. avatar
    Suranis June 8, 2011 at 10:48 pm #

    The right wingers are desperately trying to recreate their Dan Rather success, aren’t they? Much like Corsi trying to recreate the success of Swift Boating”

    Speaking of which Wnd was trying to flog its copies of WTBC for $4.95 today… or maybe permanently.

    http://superstore.wnd.com/wheres-the-birth-certificate-4-95-special-offer

  8. avatar
    Daniel June 8, 2011 at 10:49 pm #

    john: Sorry doc, this one has already been looked at. It’s a forgery!

    Anyone who looks to World Nut Daily for information of any kind has bigger problems than Presidential eligibility.

  9. avatar
    gorefan June 8, 2011 at 11:52 pm #

    Joey: Dr. Alvin T. Onaka is alive and well. He is available if he is ever needed to testify in a court of law

    Speaking of which, Orly has sent him another letter

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/06/attorney-takes-aim-at-hawaii-department.html

    Another letter, another failure.

  10. avatar
    foreigner June 9, 2011 at 12:51 am #

    the White House could still post this picture or link to it.
    They must be aware of Corsi,Voth,WND.
    They could reply to it and address the main points.
    They could respond to emails or contacts through their
    webpage. If there are too many, make a FAQ.

  11. avatar
    foreigner June 9, 2011 at 12:57 am #

    it’s not just missing ink in the TXE.
    There is also ink in wrong places,
    where there should be none.

  12. avatar
    G June 9, 2011 at 2:01 am #

    foreigner:
    the White House could still post this picture or link to it.
    They must be aware of Corsi,Voth,WND.
    They could reply to it and address the main points.
    They could respond to emails or contacts through their
    webpage. If there are too many, make a FAQ.

    The state of HI, which is in charge of issuing, maintaining and validating birth certificates ALREADY HAS:

    http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

  13. avatar
    G June 9, 2011 at 2:03 am #

    foreigner:
    it’s not just missing ink in the TXE.
    There is also ink in wrong places,
    where there should be none.

    Irrelevant. The state of HI, which issued the doc and is in charge of authentication has already validated it. The PAPER copy they issued is what matters and what they have already attested to. You are tilting at windmills arguing about online scans of an actual document, when the PHYSICAL PAPER document has already been confirmed.

    http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

  14. avatar
    foreigner June 9, 2011 at 2:15 am #

    nothing about TXE at the HDOH

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=963&bih=572&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fhawaii.gov%2Fhealth%2F+txe&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

    Onaka to tell the world what was laying below the paper when he stamped it

    why not ? Would that somehow decrease his dignity or such ?
    Same question to the Obama people and their dismissing movements.

  15. avatar
    G June 9, 2011 at 2:49 am #

    foreigner:
    nothing about TXE at the HDOH

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=963&bih=572&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fhawaii.gov%2Fhealth%2F+txe&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

    Onaka to tell the world what was laying below the paper when he stamped it

    why not ? Would that somehow decrease his dignity or such ?
    Same question to the Obama people and their dismissing movements.

    Good grief! Of course not. You are talking about meaningless artificacts that appear when a document IS SCANNED and turned INTO an image.

    The HI DOH is dealing with the ACTUAL, PHYSICAL DOCUMENT.

    If you read that sight, they have CLEARLY validated the document.

    As THEY are the AUTHORIZING body and ONLY authority for such things, they can chose to issue whatever they want and certify it and it is AUTOMATICALLY OFFICIAL as a result.

    Why is this SIMPLE concept so difficult for you to understand?

  16. avatar
    foreigner June 9, 2011 at 3:11 am #

    but then you had ~30% of Americans who believed Obama was not born
    in the USA, and politicians are seeking for voters, so Obama finally
    had to release the BC despite the embarrassing things with his father’s birthday,
    divorce etc.
    Politicians can’t just hide behind bureaucracy and laws and ignore the feeling
    and questions of the people. They need voters.

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/27-of-americans-dont-believe-obama-was-born-in-the-u-s/

  17. avatar
    Daniel June 9, 2011 at 3:18 am #

    foreigner:
    the White House could still post this picture or link to it.
    They must be aware of Corsi,Voth,WND.
    They could reply to it and address the main points.
    They could respond to emails or contacts through their
    webpage. If there are too many, make a FAQ.

    Why?

  18. avatar
    Daniel June 9, 2011 at 3:19 am #

    foreigner:
    but then you had ~30% of Americans who believed Obama was not born
    in the USA, and politicians are seeking for voters, so Obama finally
    had to release the BC despite the embarrassing things with his father’s birthday,
    divorce etc.
    Politicians can’t just hide behind bureaucracy and laws and ignore the feeling
    and questions of the people. They need voters.

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/27-of-americans-dont-believe-obama-was-born-in-the-u-s/

    You are hugely overestimating the impact or influence of birthers.

  19. avatar
    obsolete June 9, 2011 at 5:21 am #

    foreigner: They could reply to it and address the main points.
    They could respond to emails or contacts through their
    webpage. If there are too many, make a FAQ.

    NASA engaged the moon-hoax advocates for a while. Didn’t do much good. The moon-hoaxers are still crazy, and NASA is still sending astronauts into space.

    All relevant questions were answered when Obama released his long-form.

  20. avatar
    AnotherBird June 9, 2011 at 6:42 am #

    john:
    Sorry doc, this one has already been looked at.It’s a forgery!

    [Whoever wrote that WND article is as big an idiot as you. Doc.]

    You have to wonder sometimes, are people really thinking when they claim Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery. Oh well at times it is better to leave them to their fantasies.

  21. avatar
    AnotherBird June 9, 2011 at 6:50 am #

    foreigner:
    it’s not just missing ink in the TXE.
    There is also ink in wrong places,
    where there should be none.

    Is there an echo chamber? The document in question is for you to observe. Nothing will change it from being authentic.

  22. avatar
    Majority Will June 9, 2011 at 7:37 am #

    foreigner: despite the embarrassing things with his father’s birthday,
    divorce etc.

    Embarrassing to whom?

    You’re spouting hyperbole and unfounded speculation and then you get weepy and pouty when anyone points out that real American voters don’t care about your paranoid, fantasy based, steaming pile of bull dung.

    “and politicians are seeking for voters”

    Your constant concern trolling is disingenuous, a childish, pathetic fallacy and irrelevant.

  23. avatar
    LM June 9, 2011 at 7:39 am #

    foreigner: Onaka to tell the world what was laying below the paper when he stamped it

    why not ? Would that somehow decrease his dignity or such ?
    Same question to the Obama people and their dismissing movements.

    You say “why not?” All I can think is “Why?”

    I mean, let’s say there was a paperclip or something underneath the paper when he stamped it. Then …. what? What difference would it make? I’m really, truly, honestly out to sea here and I’m trying to understand what you’re getting at.

  24. avatar
    Majority Will June 9, 2011 at 7:41 am #

    foreigner: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/27-of-americans-dont-believe-obama-was-born-in-the-u-s/

    One political blog is indisputable truth?

    Is that how you discern between fact and fantasy?

    No WND or other birther tabloid to also back you up this time as you usually spew?

  25. avatar
    Scientist June 9, 2011 at 7:47 am #

    foreigner: Onaka to tell the world what was laying below the paper when he stamped it

    A table.

    foreigner: There is also ink in wrong places,
    where there should be none

    No there isn’t. The document looks 100% kosher to me. i see nothing unexpected. Show me exactly where I am wrong. I will give you $10 (a real bll from the Federal Reserve) if you can find anything that is wrong with the document.

  26. avatar
    Black Lion June 9, 2011 at 7:54 am #

    Good Article over at ConWebWatch…

    WorldNetDaily’s Stupid Birth Certificate Tricks

    WND is betting it all that President Obama’s birth certificate is fake — which explains the increasingly desperate and dishonest ways Jerome Corsi and Co. are trying to prove it.

    By Terry Krepel
    Posted 6/8/2011

    WorldNetDaily is quickly running out of ways to keep its birther conspiracy alive.

    A few weeks before release of Jerome Corsi’s WND-published book “Where’s The Birth Certificate?” President Obama answered the question by releasing the long-form version WND has been demanding he release for lo these many years — thus undercutting the impact (and revenue potential) of Corsi’s book.

    Despite the fact that no court has ever definitively weighed in on the issue, Corsi’s book pushes the strictest definition possible of “natural born citizen” — that both parents must be citizens in order to confer “natural born” citizenship on a child — in order to devise a way to exclude Obama. WND has been pushing that same strict definition, deliberately ignoring contradictory evidence in the process.

    But two of WND’s closest allies don’t buy that definition, as WND itself conceded. From a May 22 article by Joe Kovacs:

    “There’s nothing that I’m aware of that says you have to have two American parents,” said Gary Kreep, executive director of the United States Justice Foundation. “My understanding of it is if you’re born in the United States, you’re a natural-born citizen, period.”

    Floyd Brown, head of the Western Center for Journalism who has actively sought the impeachment of Obama, told WND that he, too, considers someone born “on the soil” a natural-born citizen.

    WND has hired the USJF to represent it in various legal actions over the years. WND editor Joseph Farah co-founded of the organization Brown now heads, and WND and the WJC cooperated on a falsehood-ridden book agitating for Obama’s impeachment.

    What is prompting WND to go wobbly on this? Because WND’s rigid definition also excludes two potential future Republican presidential candidates, Bobby Jindal and Marco Rubio. Kovacs also quoted the usual birther suspects backing up WND’s two-parent definition, but the fact that two of its closest allies — one a right-wing legal foundation — aren’t buying its definition of “natural born citizen” doesn’t bode well for the success of that line of attack.

    So, with the long-form birth certificate got released and its definition of “natural born citizen” is being questioned by it’s own allies, WND is going all in on the only thing it has left: a conspiracy theory that the long-form birth certificate released by President Obama is a fake.

    Corsi and WND are so blinded by their hatred for Obama, however, that they are being consumed by it, and the desperate and absurd lengths they’re going to utterly discredits them. Let’s examine at a few of those self-discrediting efforts.

    Entire article over at…

    http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2011/wndbcfake.html

  27. avatar
    LM June 9, 2011 at 8:14 am #

    Scientist: No there isn’t. The document looks 100% kosher to me. i see nothing unexpected. Show me exactly where I am wrong. I will give you $10 (a real bll from the Federal Reserve) if you can find anything that is wrong with the document.

    Yeah, see, here is the thing, foreigner. You’re demanding an explanation for something that looks, to me, totally normal. I just don’t see why it needs to have an explanation at all.

    You can get a stamp at any store that sells crafts supplies. (Are you in the US? I can’t assume that. Well, if you are, the easiest place to get a stamp would be in the crafts section because people use them for scrapbooking all the time.) Pick up a stamp, an inkpad, and some paper and try it yourself. A lot of the stamps you make aren’t going to come out perfectly. In fact, unless you’ve done it a lot, most of them aren’t going to come out perfectly. And most of the time there’s not really any particular reason that you can pin down. If just happens. The ink isn’t on the stamp totally evenly for some reason, or the surface you stamped on wasn’t totally even for some reason, or you didn’t apply exactly even pressure. All kinds of possible reasons, and none of them really mean anything.

    So that’s why I keep asking – why?

  28. avatar
    aarrgghh June 9, 2011 at 9:28 am #

    LM: A lot of the stamps you make aren’t going to come out perfectly. In fact, unless you’ve done it a lot, most of them aren’t going to come out perfectly.

    if the stamp had come out perfectly, birfers would be screaming “there’s no stamp on earth that could make it come out perfectly!”

  29. avatar
    Rickey June 9, 2011 at 10:49 am #

    foreigner:
    but then you had ~30% of Americans who believed Obama was not born
    in the USA, and politicians are seeking for voters, so Obama finally
    had to release the BC despite the embarrassing things with his father’s birthday,
    divorce etc.
    Politicians can’t just hide behind bureaucracy and laws and ignore the feeling
    and questions of the people. They need voters.

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/27-of-americans-dont-believe-obama-was-born-in-the-u-s/

    Why are you linking to an outdated poll which was conducted ten months ago?

    Anyone who still believes that Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii isn’t going to vote for him under any circumstances, so why should he care what they believe?

    What is is about the date of birth of Obama’s father and the subsequent divorce which you believe is embarrassing to him?

    The only people who could possibly have any reason to be embarrassed by a divorce are the people who were actually involved in the divorce. That would include Gingrich, Trump, McCain, Limbaugh, Giuliani, Fred Thompson, etc.

  30. avatar
    foreigner June 9, 2011 at 12:44 pm #

    > Why are you linking to an outdated poll which was conducted ten months ago?

    just what I found. Should have been even more when he released the BC

    > Anyone who still believes that Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii isn’t going to vote for
    > him under any circumstances,

    some, not all. Still long until Nov.2012, many will have forgotten the BC by then

    > so why should he care what they believe?

    cause that’s the subject here

    > What is is about the date of birth of Obama’s father

    differing dates

    > and the subsequent divorce which you believe is embarrassing to him?

    see WND etc.

    I think that’s the reason why he delayed the release and filed the dismission motions

    > The only people who could possibly have any reason to be embarrassed by a divorce
    > are the people who were actually involved in the divorce. That would include Gingrich,
    > Trump, McCain, Limbaugh, Giuliani, Fred Thompson, etc.

    no

  31. avatar
    Daniel June 9, 2011 at 12:57 pm #

    foreigner: see WND

    Ummmm….

    I don’t get my information about the President from World Nut Daily.

    I prefer actual journalistic sources.

  32. avatar
    Scientist June 9, 2011 at 1:04 pm #

    foreigner: > and the subsequent divorce which you believe is embarrassing to him?
    see WND etc.
    I think that’s the reason why he delayed the release and filed the dismission motions

    The birth certificate says nothing about his parent’s divorce. And the President already wrote a book about his relationship with his father. It’s called “Dreams From My Father”. You might want to read it along with Corsi’s book, because you are a fair -minded person and want both sides, don’t you?

    It’s amazing how you can write things day after day that maake no sense. it’s a real talent.

  33. avatar
    Sef June 9, 2011 at 1:23 pm #

    Scientist: It’s amazing how you can write things day after day that maake no sense. it’s a real talent.

    Liberty U will probably have a major in birtherism soon.

  34. avatar
    Greg June 9, 2011 at 1:38 pm #

    foreigner: I think that’s the reason why he delayed the release and filed the dismission motions

    Let’s say I file a frivolous lawsuit against you. I allege that you are criminally ugly. In neither your state, nor mine, however, is there any law against being ugly.

    Now, do you file a motion to dismiss this frivolous lawsuit?

    If so, what do you have to hide? Are you admitting that you are, in fact, criminally ugly?

  35. avatar
    Rickey June 9, 2011 at 1:59 pm #

    Greg:

    Are you admitting that you are, in fact, criminally ugly?

    I can’t answer that, but he is proving that he is an idiot.

  36. avatar
    Thrifty June 9, 2011 at 2:55 pm #

    foreigner: the White House could still post this picture or link to it.They must be aware of Corsi,Voth,WND.They could reply to it and address the main points.They could respond to emails or contacts through theirwebpage. If there are too many, make a FAQ.

    Why would they do that? Barack Obama released the long form explicitly because he has better things to do.

  37. avatar
    richCares June 9, 2011 at 4:30 pm #

    foreigner says “They must be aware of Corsi,Voth,WND.”
    he means Vogt, the computer expert that did not know what PDF stands for nor did he know who originated it nor when it was orinated, Yah, a typical birther expert
    .
    Douglas Vogt wrote:
    What did we get? We got a PDF. A PDF stands for Portable Document, uh, Portable Electronic Document. Uh, I think Portable Electronic Format, I think. Ironically, one of my friends was actually on the committee back twenty years ago coming up with the standard for PDFs. It was a whole number of companies, actually, uh, it was a consortium that, coming up with the standards.
    .
    In the real world: (courtesy of nolo chan at fogbow)
    PDF was a proprietary format developed and owned solely by Adobe Systems. This one company created it in 1993. It was not released as an open standard until 2008. Hey Foreigner, can you imagine this idiot being cross examined, lots of laughs.

  38. avatar
    Stanislaw June 9, 2011 at 6:20 pm #

    foreigner:
    but then you had ~30% of Americans who believed Obama was not born
    in the USA, and politicians are seeking for voters, so Obama finally
    had to release the BC despite the embarrassing things with his father’s birthday,
    divorce etc.

    Wait, so now Obama didn’t “release” the long-form copy of his birth certificate sooner because…he was embarrassed by his parents’ divorce? What the Hell?

    If there was a way for a statement to make less than no sense, you just did it. What does a birth certificate have to do with his divorce? Your arguments (and I use that word as loosely as possible) aren’t really doing much to help the cause of birtherism.

  39. avatar
    G June 9, 2011 at 8:23 pm #

    Black Lion:
    Good Article over at ConWebWatch…

    WorldNetDaily’s Stupid Birth Certificate Tricks

    WND is betting it all that President Obama’s birth certificate is fake — which explains the increasingly desperate and dishonest ways Jerome Corsi and Co. are trying to prove it.

    By Terry Krepel
    Posted 6/8/2011

    WorldNetDaily is quickly running out of ways to keep its birther conspiracy alive.

    A few weeks before release of Jerome Corsi’s WND-published book “Where’s The Birth Certificate?” President Obama answered the question by releasing the long-form version WND has been demanding he release for lo these many years — thus undercutting the impact (and revenue potential) of Corsi’s book.

    Despite the fact that no court has ever definitively weighed in on the issue, Corsi’s book pushes the strictest definition possible of “natural born citizen” — that both parents must be citizens in order to confer “natural born” citizenship on a child — in order to devise a way to exclude Obama. WND has been pushing that same strict definition, deliberately ignoring contradictory evidence in the process.

    But two of WND’s closest allies don’t buy that definition, as WND itself conceded. From a May 22 article by Joe Kovacs:

    “There’s nothing that I’m aware of that says you have to have two American parents,” said Gary Kreep, executive director of the United States Justice Foundation. “My understanding of it is if you’re born in the United States, you’re a natural-born citizen, period.”

    Floyd Brown, head of the Western Center for Journalism who has actively sought the impeachment of Obama, told WND that he, too, considers someone born “on the soil” a natural-born citizen.

    WND has hired the USJF to represent it in various legal actions over the years. WND editor Joseph Farah co-founded of the organization Brown now heads, and WND and the WJC cooperated on a falsehood-ridden book agitating for Obama’s impeachment.

    What is prompting WND to go wobbly on this? Because WND’s rigid definition also excludes two potential future Republican presidential candidates, Bobby Jindal and Marco Rubio. Kovacs also quoted the usual birther suspects backing up WND’s two-parent definition, but the fact that two of its closest allies — one a right-wing legal foundation — aren’t buying its definition of “natural born citizen” doesn’t bode well for the success of that line of attack.

    So, with the long-form birth certificate got released and its definition of “natural born citizen” is being questioned by it’s own allies, WND is going all in on the only thing it has left: a conspiracy theory that the long-form birth certificate released by President Obama is a fake.

    Corsi and WND are so blinded by their hatred for Obama, however, that they are being consumed by it, and the desperate and absurd lengths they’re going to utterly discredits them. Let’s examine at a few of those self-discrediting efforts.

    Entire article over at…

    http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2011/wndbcfake.html

    Glad to see your posts again, BL! I missed them and always look forward to them.

    At the article you linked, I see this very blog site gets a mention and some credit:

    Further, as the Obama Conspiracy blog has noted, a search of Hawaii’s professional license database yields no one named Takeyuki Irei, raising the question of just how legitimate a private investigator he is. (Corsi later claimed he had a copy of Irei’s professional license, but he apparently has not released it.)

  40. avatar
    KenyanBornObamAcorn June 10, 2011 at 12:54 am #

    DEAL with it, it’s a FORGERY and you have LOST!

  41. avatar
    Black Lion June 10, 2011 at 7:42 am #

    G: Glad to see your posts again, BL! I missed them and always look forward to them.At the article you linked, I see this very blog site gets a mention and some credit:

    G Thanks…Been busy but still read the site every day….

  42. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 10, 2011 at 8:47 am #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: DEAL with it, it’s a FORGERY and you have LOST!

    I have looked at all the claims of forgery very carefully (and shared the results here). None of them hold up to close examination. Among some folks, folks who come to the table convinced that Barack Obama is a crook and a thug, folks would didn’t vote for him in 2008, folks who have believed every rumor, every fake document and every misrepresentation of history, it is certain that the LFBC is a fake. However, those folks don’t matter in the big scheme of things — i.e. who is President, and who will win the 2012 election. Don’t misunderstand me — I’m not predicting the winner of the 2012 election; I’m just saying that the birthers will not make any difference in the outcome.

  43. avatar
    Thrifty June 10, 2011 at 9:45 am #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: DEAL with it, it’s a FORGERY and you have LOST!

    We’ve lost what? Nobody has lost anything until criminal forgery charges are brought up.

  44. avatar
    richCares June 10, 2011 at 9:48 am #

    “DEAL with it, it’s a FORGERY and you have LOST!”
    so Hawaii issued and certified a forgery, what a silly allegation, you better call the Canadian Mounties as the FBI won’t touch it. [Insult deleted. Doc.]

  45. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) June 10, 2011 at 9:52 am #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn: DEAL with it, it’s a FORGERY and you have LOST!

    Did Obama step down? no? Looks like you’re still losing.

  46. avatar
    Sef June 10, 2011 at 10:02 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Don’t misunderstand me — I’m not predicting the winner of the 2012 election; I’m just saying that the birthers will not make any difference in the outcome.

    They might have some effect, in that they could convince some undecideds of the stupidity of the anti-Obama folks and the necessity of keeping the crazies as far away from Washington as possible.

  47. avatar
    Majority Will June 10, 2011 at 10:03 am #

    richCares:
    “DEAL with it, it’s a FORGERY and you have LOST!”
    so Hawaii issued and certified aforgery, what a silly allegation, you better call the Canadian Mounties as the FBI won’t touch it. LIke the scarecow, you need a brain.

    Perhaps she and her loony sister Orly can petition the International Court of Justice for a redress of grievances.

  48. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 10, 2011 at 10:08 am #

    Sef: They might have some effect, in that they could convince some undecideds of the stupidity of the anti-Obama folks and the necessity of keeping the crazies as far away from Washington as possible.

    I think that any effect the birthers might have in attracting conspiracy-minded independents will be offset by scaring away independents that think they they are crazy. Birthers are folks who would never have voted for Obama anyway.

  49. avatar
    AnotherBird June 10, 2011 at 11:39 am #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn:
    DEAL with it, it’s a FORGERY and you have LOST!

    Quite interesting. No person who are serious about the authenticity of the documents considers it a forgery. This consistent changing of attacks by bithers is a clear indicating that they just can deal with the fact that Obama is president. There are many people who still stick to their theories when there is overwhelming evidence that they are wrong. So, I see birthers going no where, anytime in the future.

  50. avatar
    Daniel June 10, 2011 at 11:56 am #

    KenyanBornObamAcorn:
    DEAL with it, it’s a FORGERY and you have LOST!

    Really?

    Did they frog march the President out of the Whitehouse and I missed it?

    Ahhhhhhhh nope, he’s still there, and he’s still the President.

    And you still can’t win a court case or get a single person of authority to pay you any heed.

    Hmmmmmmm…..

    I’m sorry, how, exactly, have we lost?

  51. avatar
    Daniel June 10, 2011 at 11:58 am #

    Sef: They might have some effect, in that they could convince some undecideds of the stupidity of the anti-Obama folks and the necessity of keeping the crazies as far away from Washington as possible.

    I agree.

    It’s unfortunate but the birthers are really the best thing to happen to the Democrats in years.

  52. avatar
    foreigner June 10, 2011 at 2:03 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I think that any effect the birthers might have in attracting conspiracy-minded independents will be offset by scaring away independents that think they they are crazy. Birthers are folks who would never have voted for Obama anyway.

    same seems to hold for “Obots” , though

  53. avatar
    Daniel June 10, 2011 at 2:39 pm #

    foreigner: same seems to hold for “Obots” , though

    Hence Obama’s very high approval rating in comparison for other Presidents at similar time of their office, and in similar circumstances.

    Not sure why it is that you birthers are unable to perceive your failures as failures…

  54. avatar
    Bovril June 10, 2011 at 2:47 pm #

    H’mmm “foreigner”, since Obots actually only refute the arrant BS and lies that Birfoons put out, how pray tell will that “Scare away” independants.

    You really should take a moment to think before engaging keyboard

  55. avatar
    Thrifty June 10, 2011 at 2:59 pm #

    Obot is an interesting term, since it appears that it can apply equally to an Obama supporter and a person who disagrees with Obama’s policies and didn’t / won’t vote for him.

  56. avatar
    foreigner June 10, 2011 at 3:04 pm #

    could be these people who almost automatically respond here with
    “irrelevant”,”crap”,”stupid” etc. without adressing the contents,
    as soon as they suspect someone being a birther.
    “Obama,Robot” I didn’t hear that word before I came here.
    I did know “birther”, though. Turned out that I’m both, lol.

  57. avatar
    Thrifty June 10, 2011 at 3:32 pm #

    I agree with that one guy,
    but disagree with that one other guy.

  58. avatar
    Rickey June 10, 2011 at 3:53 pm #

    foreigner:
    could be these people who almost automatically respond here with
    “irrelevant”,”crap”,”stupid” etc. without adressing the contents,
    as soon as they suspect someone being a birther.
    “Obama,Robot” I didn’t hear that word before I came here.
    I did know “birther”, though. Turned out that I’m both, lol.

    You haven’t been hear long enough to make a judgment. Just about every birther theory to be espoused to date has been thoroughly investigated and debunked by people here, so understandably some us them have little patience when a new birther comes along and starts spouting them anew. Doc has years of experience working with vital records. Multiple licensed attorneys here have dissected and destroyed birther legal arguments. There is even a French attorney who has exposed how the birthers have misconstrued Vattel (he actually studied Vattel). We also have a private investigator who has patiently explained to birthers why there is no validity to birther claims about Obama using multiple Social Security Numbers.

    The reality is that there really are no longer any “contents” which are worthy of response. If a birther comes along and is willing to learn, we’ll be happy to address his or her concerns. But the sad reality is that most birthers come here with their minds made up. All you have to do is look at the discussion in the other thread with “Line in the Sand” about Orly’s Federal Court subpoena. Real lawyers have spent a great deal of time explaining to LITS the many reasons why the rules of civil procedure in Federal Court invalidate Orly’s subpoena, but LITS refuses to listen.

    It’s a very rare occasion when a birther is called out on a factual error and then admits that he or she has been mistaken.

  59. avatar
    richCares June 10, 2011 at 3:58 pm #

    “…without adressing the contents” WHAT CONTENTS?
    .
    none of you seem to understand, that smudged letter has to be an “X”, because if it is an “H” then the document is not forged. Now lets all click our heels and shout “it’s an X”, see that does it. X marks the spot, the treasure is just below the X, the smiley face, see it, you don’t? birthers do. Now that we can see the “X”, it means it’s a forged document we need to ask why the State of Hawaii forged it, after all they issued and certified it. So quickly dear birther, tell us why Hawaii did this dastardly deed.

  60. avatar
    Daniel June 10, 2011 at 4:08 pm #

    foreigner:
    could be these people who almost automatically respond here with
    “irrelevant”,”crap”,”stupid” etc. without adressing the contents,
    as soon as they suspect someone being a birther.
    “Obama,Robot” I didn’t hear that word before I came here.
    I did know “birther”, though. Turned out that I’m both, lol.

    1) Every one of your premises has been addressed in great detail. You refuse to acknowledge that, preferring instead to pretend that nobody can refute your “logic”

    2) If you don’t want to be ridiculed, don’t be ridiculous. To stay a course of belief despite the realities of overwhelming objective evidence, and the testimony of every recognised Constitutional expert, and despite a string of complete and utter failures in court that is rapidly approaching 100…….is ridiculous.

    Why should we treat you any different than we treat those who insist the Earth is flat?

  61. avatar
    Obsolete June 10, 2011 at 4:10 pm #

    Here’s a thought-
    Have the birthers been able to find an “expert” who “examined” Obama’s LFBC and concluded it to be a forgery who wasn’t already a birther?

    I can already hear birthers asking “why is that important?”

  62. avatar
    Expelliarmus June 10, 2011 at 4:17 pm #

    foreigner:
    could be these people who almost automatically respond here with
    “irrelevant”,”crap”,”stupid” etc. without adressing the contents,
    as soon as they suspect someone being a birther.

    I’m still asking for your answer to why a smudged letter in a stamp is significant, given the fact that the DOH has stated publicly that they have the original on copy, and that the head of the DOH directed and witnessed Onaka making the certified copy.

    If you think your claims are relevant, then please explain, assuming that the letter could be shown to be an actual X rather than a smudged or poorly inked H, what that would mean? What inferences could be drawn from that and what bearing would those inferences have on the statements issued by the Dept of Health?

  63. avatar
    The Magic M June 10, 2011 at 4:19 pm #

    Obviously they can’t even find a birther expert whose “expertise” doesn’t immediately give away the fact he’s a birther.
    You’d think if they actually wanted to convince someone, they’d have an “expert” write an “expertise” that at least pretends to come from a neutral (non-birther) person.

    Which then leads me to believe Corsi and Farah don’t *want* to do that. They don’t *want* to convince anyone. They only want to feed the birthers. And those would of course swallow the line “our independent expert analyzed the document, found it a forgery and immediately became a die-hard birther”.

    Oh well…

  64. avatar
    Daniel June 10, 2011 at 4:21 pm #

    Obsolete:
    Here’s a thought-
    Have the birthers been able to find an “expert” who “examined” Obama’s LFBC and concluded it to be a forgery who wasn’t already a birther?

    I can already hear birthers asking “why is that important?”

    Nope, and they never will. Nor will they even try.

    Typically in any delusional conspiracy theory, anyone who disagrees with the delusion is “in on it”. When the conspiracist encounters people or evidence that challenges their delusion, they simply expand the conspiracy to include the offending item or person.

    So the crux is that, to the conspiracist, the only “expert” that can be trusted is one who shares the delusion.

  65. avatar
    Daniel June 10, 2011 at 4:27 pm #

    “The conspiracy community regularly seizes on one slip of the tongue, misunderstanding or slight discrepancy to defeat 20 pieces of solid evidence; accepts one witness of theirs, even if he or she is a provable nut, as being far more credible than 10 normal witnesses on the other side; treats rumours, even questions, as the equivalent of proof; leaps from the most minuscule of discoveries to the grandest of conclusions; and insists, as the late lawyer Louis Nizer once observed, that the failure to explain everything perfectly negates all that is explained.”

    — Vincent Bugliosi, from Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

  66. avatar
    foreigner June 10, 2011 at 4:27 pm #

    expelliarmus,I did already answer.
    But maybe better ask this the site owner, whose blog is
    all about this and i.e. this thread where you are asking this.
    (It’s relevant because Vogt,Corsi,…wrote about it.)

  67. avatar
    Daniel June 10, 2011 at 4:36 pm #

    “…conspiracism is only a nominally intellectual exercise. Its true source inevitably can be traced to some powerful emotional reflex. This explains why arguing down a committed conspiracy theorist is impossible. Whenever I’ve tried to debate 9/11 conspiracy theorists, for instance, all of my accumulated knowledge about the subject has proven entirely useless — because in every exchange, the conspiracy theorist inevitably would ignore the most obvious evidence and instead focus the discussion on the handful of obscure, allegedly incriminating oddities that he had memorized. No matter how many of these oddities I manage to bat away (even assuming I have the facts immediately at hand to do so), my debating opponent always has more at hand.

    In this game, the conspiracist claims victory merely by scoring a single uncontested point — since, as he imagines it, every card he plays is a trump. To quote 9/11 conspiracy theorist Richard Falk (better known as the UN official who suggested that Israel’s actions in Gaza were akin to the Nazi Holocaust): “It is not necessary to go along with every suspicious inference in order to conclude that the official account of 9/11 is thoroughly unconvincing … Any part of this story is enough to vindicate [the] basic contention.” The defender of rationalism, meanwhile, is stuck fighting for a stalemate.

    This is why so few experts are willing to take conspiracy theorists up on their frequent challenges to hold public debates. And those who do typically are sorry they did.”

    from: “Among the Truthers: A Journey Through America’s Growing Conspiracist Underground” Jonathan Kay

  68. avatar
    Daniel June 10, 2011 at 4:38 pm #

    “the conspiracy theorist inevitably would ignore the most obvious evidence and instead focus the discussion on the handful of obscure, allegedly incriminating oddities that he had memorized. …In this game, the conspiracist claims victory merely by scoring a single uncontested point — since, as he imagines it, every card he plays is a trump.”

    Kind of like claiming a certified document MUST be forged, because an H kinda looks a little like an X if you don’t look too hard.

  69. avatar
    Majority Will June 10, 2011 at 5:04 pm #

    foreigner: could be these people who almost automatically respond here with
    “irrelevant”,”crap”,”stupid” etc. without adressing the contents,

    You ignored civil replies and rational explanations that addressed the contents. There is nothing left but your ad nauseam, nonsense posts.

    You ignored reasonable questions about your own motives by pawning them off like a coward onto others like the site owner or birther blog authors. There is nothing left but to think your motives are as ridiculous as your repetitious and pointless posts. Your opinion as to what is relevant and what is not is only going to find a receptive ear among your fellow birthers.

    LOL?

  70. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 10, 2011 at 7:17 pm #

    Obsolete: I can already hear birthers asking “why is that important?”

    What is the sound of a one-legged cricket chirping?

  71. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 10, 2011 at 7:26 pm #

    foreigner: same seems to hold for “Obots” , though

    I think I would agree with that. I doubt that the 2,000 hours (est.) that I’ve spent on this blog and the 1,300 articles written here will affect a single vote in the 2012 election, but that was never my intent in the first place.

  72. avatar
    Mick June 10, 2011 at 8:13 pm #

    TXE birth certificate is a joke.

  73. avatar
    Daniel June 10, 2011 at 8:56 pm #

    Mick:
    TXE birth certificate is a joke.

    And the birthers still don’t get it.

  74. avatar
    Expelliarmus June 10, 2011 at 9:03 pm #

    foreigner: expelliarmus,I did already answer.
    But maybe better ask this the site owner, whose blog is
    all about this and i.e. this thread where you are asking this.
    (It’s relevant because Vogt,Corsi,…wrote about it.)

    By “relevant” I mean legal or logical relevancy. You are the one who is complaining when people point out that analyzing a copy of a stamped impression has no bearing whatsoever on the validity of the birth certificate.

    If the state of Hawaii ordered a rubber stamp from a company that manufactures such thing, and there was a mistake on the stamp so that the world THE was actually spelled TXE — and no one noticed that mistake, and the stamp was used to certify 1,000 birth certificates — that would not in any way effect the validity of the underlying birth certificates, and just about any court or public agency would similarly accept those certificates as valid. It simply would not be viewed as a significant mistake.

    So I am still waiting for a reason why you feel it is important or necessary to pursue this issue, especially given the fact that higher resolution images show that the disputed letter does not have the diagonal lines that are characteristic of an X.

  75. avatar
    Majority Will June 10, 2011 at 9:28 pm #

    Mick:
    TXE birth certificate is a joke.

    And desperately and pathetically advertising a worthless, idiotic, irrelevant birther blog isn’t just a little funny?

    Maybe not ha ha funny. More like the stench of rotting roadkill funny?

  76. avatar
    richCares June 10, 2011 at 11:28 pm #

    “TXE birth certificate is a joke.”
    No it is not a joke, the “X” was placed there to promote 20th Centuries latest film on the “X-Men”, an Obama favorite series. Please notice that all check boxes do not have a checkmark, they have an “X” instead, this confirms the ties to “X-Men”. Arnold is an expert on the X Men series and has 32 years of experience on tracing these placement ploys. He confims that it is in fact related to X Men. This makes more sense than the birther memes you find on birther sites.

  77. avatar
    Nathanael June 11, 2011 at 5:29 pm #

    richCares:
    …nor when it was orinated…

    On first pass, I read your typo as a conflation of “Orly” and “urinated” and thought, “There must be a good punchline in there somewhere.” Then it occurred to me: Wait – that WAS the punchline!

    –Nathanael

  78. avatar
    richCares June 11, 2011 at 5:50 pm #

    conflation of “Orly” and “urinated”
    .
    correct, you just won a 6 day 2 night stay at the glorious Birfoon inn in downtown Birfirstan in the Orly Toons room. (no bed, just straw on the floor and white spots on the wall)
    Congratulations!

  79. avatar
    Nathanael June 11, 2011 at 9:07 pm #

    gorefan: Speaking of which, Orly has sent him another letter

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/06/attorney-takes-aim-at-hawaii-department.html

    As an aside, that link further links to this article in which Mario Apuzzo, ESQ — why is it that Apuzzo and Taitz always sign themselves as “ESQ”? Yes, I know all lawyers are entitled to do so, but it’s my understanding real lawyers don’t — once again shames his law school profs by misappropriating Minor v. Happersett. And, worse, Wang Kim Ark.

    When at university, I once spent nearly an hour in the law school library awed into silence by all the law students around me. Taitz and Apuzzo, ESQs almost convince me anyone could be a lawyer.

    –Nathanael

  80. avatar
    Sef June 11, 2011 at 9:22 pm #

    richCares:
    conflation of “Orly” and “urinated”
    .
    correct, you just won a 6 day 2 night stay at the glorious Birfoon inn in downtown Birfirstan in the Orly Toons room. (no bed, just straw on the floor and white spots on the wall)
    Congratulations!

    Is that on offer from Luxury Link?

  81. avatar
    Nathanael June 11, 2011 at 11:04 pm #

    Dr. ConspiracyI’m just saying that the birthers will not make any difference in the outcome.

    Direct effect, no. But never underestimate the effects of an energized base, especially on voter turnout. And birtherism is an energizing issue for a not-insignificant percentage of the Republican base. And therein lie the horns of the dilemma for the Republican establishment: on the one hand, lackluster bases lose elections. On the other, yet another cross-eyed, drooling Energizer Bunny does little to endear the party to more moderate (read: reasonable) voters.

    –Nathanael

  82. avatar
    Duane June 12, 2011 at 4:10 pm #

    Why don’t you concentrate on the gross type characters mismatches shown in the June 12 repeat of the Corsi article on Paul Irey’s analysis at http://www.wnd.com? The TXE/THE issue is extremely minor compared with the gross differences between repeated strikes of some of the same typewriter keys on the Obama document. It’s absolutely impossible that some of these mismatches could occur with the use of the same typewriter on one form! Get real, wake up, and smell IMPEACHMENT! Get that lying, fraud out of the Oval Office!

  83. avatar
    Duane June 12, 2011 at 4:16 pm #

    BTW, Nathanael. . .With regard to “ESQ,” what exactly are you entitled to put after YOUR name? Beyond that, who would care?

  84. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) June 12, 2011 at 4:32 pm #

    Duane:
    Why don’t you concentrate on the gross type characters mismatches shown in the June 12 repeat of the Corsi article on Paul Irey’s analysis at http://www.wnd.com?The TXE/THE issue is extremely minor compared with the gross differences between repeated strikes of some of the same typewriter keys on the Obama document.It’s absolutely impossible that some of these mismatches could occur with the use of the same typewriter on one form!Get real, wake up, and smell IMPEACHMENT!Get that lying, fraud out of the Oval Office!

    Older worn keys different amounts of pressure being applied on the keys during typing. Irey has no idea what he’s talking about. If the type was completely uniform that would denote fraud.

  85. avatar
    gorefan June 12, 2011 at 4:37 pm #

    Duane: Get real, wake up, and smell IMPEACHMENT!

    Never going to happen if this is the best “evidence” you have. But feel free to remain delusional.

  86. avatar
    Steve June 12, 2011 at 4:48 pm #

    Duane: Why don’t you concentrate on the gross type characters mismatches shown in the June 12 repeat of the Corsi article on Paul Irey’s analysis at http://www.wnd.com? The TXE/THE issue is extremely minor compared with the gross differences between repeated strikes of some of the same typewriter keys on the Obama document. It’s absolutely impossible that some of these mismatches could occur with the use of the same typewriter on one form! Get real, wake up, and smell IMPEACHMENT! Get that lying, fraud out of the Oval Office!

    You can talk about this minutia all you want, if the state of Hawaii says the birth certificate is legitimate, it’s legitimate.

  87. avatar
    Bovril June 12, 2011 at 5:27 pm #

    With Nathanaels question and Duane’s fail, Ifeel justified in placing my short story of Mario the Putz arguing at the Supreme Court. The chaps at CAAFLOG enjoyed it, Mario didn’t.

    Something like…..

    Justice Alito: Mr Apuzzo, I woul….

    Mario: Esquire

    Justice Alito: I beg your pardon

    Mario: It’s Mr Appuzzo Esquire, I’m a lawyer you know.

    Justice Alito: I am fully aware you are a lawyer Mr Apuzzo, you’re here arguing a case.

    Mario: It’s important to get the terminology right, I paid good money for the Esq.

    Justice Scalia: OK already, we get it, the Esq is given lets move on.

    Justice Alito: Thanks Tony, moving on, Mr Apuzzo, your case is one that seeks…..

    Mario: I object

    Justice Alito: What ! What do you mean you object, I’m trying to describe your case how can you object to that?

    Mario: They are here !!!

    Justice Scalia: What, what are you talking about, who is here..?

    Mario: Them, those two, over there in the black robes

    Justice Thomas: We all wear black robes, that’s all I’m saying and it’s not dicta.

    Justice Roberts: Sammy, what’s he saying, look can we hurry up, she who must be obeyed has a long Honey-Do list for me for Christmas

    Justice Alito: Mr Apuzzo, just WHAT or WHO are you objecting to?

    Mario: Those two there, (points wildly)

    Justice Alito: From your frenetic semaphore I take it you mean Justices Sotomayer and Kagan

    Mario: Yeah, them two…shouldn’t be here

    Justice Kagan: I got this Sammy, OY, paisan, what’s your problem with me, ’cause I’m a woman, ’cause I use Jewish words or ’cause I’m from Noo Yawk. Well, spit it out, don’t keep me waiting.

    Mario: You didn’t recuse yourselves that’s why AND YOU KNOW WHY !!!

    Justice Kagan: No Joisey, I don’t “know why” why don’t you enlighten Sonia, me and the boys

    Mario: You were nominated by the Usurper so you’re tainted, begone by the power of Vattel vested in me.

    Justice Sotomayer: Vatell…Vattel, what’s he babbbling about…anyone..?

    Justice Kennedy: I seem to remember something from ….no not that…is it ..no…Don’t they make childrens toys? Is this a consumer safety case? I thought it was an electoral issue?

    Mario: NO, nit MATTEL, Vattel…Vattel he is the most significant contributor to the Constitution and defined Natural Born Citizen, its’ all in my briefs

    Justice Ginsburg: I remember, part of a pop quiz back in ’56 at Harvard, “Who was cited the LEAST in the Federalist Papers but had a minor input on international relation definitions in the Constitution”… no one got it, we couldn’t even agree how his name was spelled or his nationality. Nasty ideas but a creature of his time.

    Justice Breyer: Oh no…Johnny, he’s a bloody Birther, what in the name of Beelzebubs left nut are we doing with this. We had this chat over 2 years ago

    Justice Kagan: A Birfer…A Joisy Birfer..A Joisy Birfer who things he can tell ME to recuse myself? Sammy, did you set this up?

    Justice Alito: I’m sorry, a friend asked if I could have a look, I owed him a favor, what can I say. Maybe when I saw all the clerks sending his brief around as a punk’d email I should have looked a little closer.

    Mario: I demand they recuse themselves it’s a plot by Soros.

    Justice Scalia: Shut it…Sammy, I get it, I understand but really, Birfoons in the court, we had this out when that Mad Cow Orly was around, no Birfoons except at the Christmas party for light entertainment.

    Justice Alito: Sorry all, I’ll make it up for everyone in the Christmas present

    Mario: But..

    Justice Roberts: Can it “esquire”, frivolous case, inherently vauleless, a waste of this courts time, what say you…? Show of hands..OK done

    Mario: But my case..it’s a Konstitutional Krisis.!!

    Jusice Roberts: Can it or the sanctions here will make Orly swoon. Bailiff, escort “esquire” from the courts and if he gives you any triouble….

    Mario: (voice receding) Let me FEEEENISH

  88. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 12, 2011 at 5:36 pm #

    Duane: It’s absolutely impossible that some of these mismatches could occur with the use of the same typewriter on one form!

    Exactly which would you say were “impossible”? If this is your interest, you might want to read and comment on this article:

  89. avatar
    nbc June 12, 2011 at 5:49 pm #

    It’s absolutely impossible that some of these mismatches could occur with the use of the same typewriter on one form! Get real, wake up, and smell IMPEACHMENT! Get that lying, fraud out of the Oval Office!

    Actually these mismatches are to be expected when realizing that a typewriter is NOT a printer and the speed of the carriage, the ribbon, the typing speed respective to different character locations and sets of characters, the force use to ‘strike’ the key all contribute to significant variation in letter spacing, letter clarity, vertical alignment and so on.

    As to impeachment, there is no chance that these minor variations amount to anything impeachable my friend. If you want to get the ‘lying fraud’ as you seem to call our President, out of the Oval Office, I suggest you focus on the 2012 elections.

    Let’s see if our friend will return with explicit examples of what he believes are irrefutable examples of fraud. Relying on Corsi sort of destroys any such hopes.

  90. avatar
    Joey June 12, 2011 at 5:56 pm #

    “real, wake up, and smell IMPEACHMENT!”
    —-
    Which 20 Democratic Senators do you think will join with all 47 Republicans, (including the moderates and the RINOs) to vote to remove Obama? It takes 67 votes to remove a president via impeachment.

  91. avatar
    nbc June 12, 2011 at 5:56 pm #

    I looked at the typography examples and note what is to be expected, that certain letters have been typed with more or less force than others, where ink transfer from the ribbon is not always consistent and where letters blown up beyond the resolution of the picture appear to be ‘different’.

    Not much of an analysis. I bet that doing a similar analysis of another typed document would result in much of the same variability

  92. avatar
    AnotherBird June 12, 2011 at 6:14 pm #

    nbc:
    I looked at the typography examples and note what is to be expected, that certain letters have been typed with more or less force than others, where ink transfer from the ribbon is not always consistent and where letters blown up beyond the resolution of the picture appear to be different’.

    Not much of an analysis. I bet that doing a similar analysis of another typed document would result in much of the same variability

    It is a photographic copy of a document that is clearly from a book of records. A digital copy adds different artifact, than older technology. As clearly indicated in this post the resolution of the document makes difference. If you want to reproduce the process, then you can’t skip any steps because that disproves your theory.

  93. avatar
    AnotherBird June 12, 2011 at 6:18 pm #

    Steve: … if the state of Hawaii says the birth certificate is legitimate, it’s legitimate.

    And, that is a point that is ignored when they go on birthers. My opinion is that the long form was only released to show that it exists, but birthers just don’t care.

  94. avatar
    nbc June 12, 2011 at 6:28 pm #

    I did some quick research and as I expected, there can be significant variation in the letters because of a variety of factors such as the condition of the ribbon, the force used the strike the letter, the sequence of letters typed, whether or not the paper was properly locked in place (since a form requires the typist to move to different locations, this is often done without properly securing the ‘lock’, causing the letter to hit the paper at different angles, resulting.

    It would make more sense if a similar analysis of a similar document would show different or similar variations.

    Much ado about nothing so far. Sigh..

  95. avatar
    Nathanael June 12, 2011 at 6:33 pm #

    Duane:
    Why don’t you concentrate on the gross type characters mismatches shown in the June 12 repeat of the Corsi article on Paul Irey’s analysis

    I, for one did concentrate on Irey’s arguments. until my eyes crossed and I got a migraine, and still all I could see was the sort of normal variations one might fully expect in a typewritten document. Impact variations, inking inconsistencies, paper slippage — there’s absolutely nothing in Irey’s analysis that falls outside normal typewriter behavior.

    Try this (I did): load up Irey’s images in Photoshop then copy and paste the As and Ks — you know, the ones that got Irey screaming about variations in angles — on top of each other. You’ll discover they fit perfectly well, within tolerances. Irey’s alleged angle variations are simply optical illusions.

    I then decided to do a little reading on document forensics. With only about 45 minutes of googling under my belt, it became painfully obvious I already knew more about typewriter forensics than Irey ever did.

    You know, Duane, you CAN do your own research. You don’t have to just cut and paste WND’s talking points. And just by-the-by, folks around here keep a pretty close eye on WND. You can pretty much expect that any WND claims were either dealt with here long ago, or will have been by the time you hit your Ctrl-V.

    A little humility might also get you a better reception. Instead of screaming about the latest WND “find” — here, take THAT you Obots — try, “WND’s got this article. What do you guys think of it?” Some of us here are pretty nice folk, capable of perfectly polite dialogue, as long as you’re genuinely interested in dialoguing, that is.

    And yes, in fact I do have a couple sets of letters I could place after my name. I don’t, for two reasons. First, to most people it comes across as self-agrandizing (hence, my point viz., Apuzzo and Taitz, Esqs), and second, it smacks too much of the logical fallacy of appeals to authority. I prefer to let my arguments stand (or, as often as not, fall) on their own merits.

    –Nathanael

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 12, 2011 at 7:23 pm #

    Nathanael: And yes, in fact I do have a couple sets of letters I could place after my name

    Me too. One of them is “BS”.

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    Daniel June 12, 2011 at 9:56 pm #

    Duane:
    Why don’t you concentrate on the gross type characters mismatches shown in the June 12 repeat of the Corsi article on Paul Irey’s analysis at http://www.wnd.com?The TXE/THE issue is extremely minor compared with the gross differences between repeated strikes of some of the same typewriter keys on the Obama document.It’s absolutely impossible that some of these mismatches could occur with the use of the same typewriter on one form!Get real, wake up, and smell IMPEACHMENT!Get that lying, fraud out of the Oval Office!

    You don’t seem to realize that the quality of the image is not relevant.

    It could have been drawn in crayon on wax paper and it still wouldn’t make a difference.

    The documents that this image is a representation of, are certified by the State of Hawaii.

    You fail.

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    Keith June 13, 2011 at 1:32 am #

    Duane: It’s absolutely impossible that some of these mismatches could occur with the use of the same typewriter on one form!

    Never used a typewriter have you? Never even seen one up close, probably.