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Obama’s Connecticut SSN explained

Sometimes you have to think outside the box

Birthers have said that Barack Obama uses the social-security number of a deceased Connecticut resident born in 1890. That’s really not a workable theory. The Social Security Death Index lists the SSNs of all deceased persons1 and the Obama number isn’t there.

How about a living person instead of a dead person? That creates problems too because a living person would notice unexplained income reported on his social-security account. No, we need someone who is neither deceased, nor likely to notice something strange going on with his account.

BlueAlienThe obvious answer is a space alien from Connecticut. As we all know, space aliens live among us. Particularly in the 1970’s when Obama’s number was issued, space aliens were here in large numbers. Remember “The Age of Aquarius?” In order to study us, aliens had to work alongside us and for that they needed social-security numbers. While aliens could, with their advanced technology, forge any identity document they wanted, the social-security number is cross checked with government records and so a real number was needed.

The 1890 birth date, of course, makes perfect sense because space aliens traveling across the galaxy at near the speed of light age much more slowly that we Earthlings, and so the alien really was born in 1890, but appeared to be just a teenager. Finally, the space alien departed and never noticed the unusual social-security-reported income activity from Barack Obama’s part-time job at Baskin Robbins in Honolulu.

The only real alternatives are that the government mistakenly gave Obama a Connecticut SSN, or that Obama is a space alien himself — and we know that the government never makes a mistake.

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1This article is presented for its humor value. It is not a rigorous exploration of the topic. To be technically accurate, not all deaths are reported in the Social Security Death Index. Death’s before the index was computerized in the 1960’s, for example, are not included. Later deaths where no social security death benefit was paid may not be in the index.

One should never rely very much on what you see in an article labeled “Wild and Wacky.”

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67 Responses to Obama’s Connecticut SSN explained

  1. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 26, 2011 at 12:07 pm #

    Undiscovered Mark Twain story: A Connecticut Alien in President Obama’s Court.

  2. avatar
    J.Potter July 26, 2011 at 12:32 pm #

    Creative and amusing! The one has to go so far to make birther pustulations workable may indicate a problem with said pustulations.

    Oh, wait, I meant “postulations”.

    No, no I didn’t. πŸ˜‰

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    AnotherBird July 26, 2011 at 1:13 pm #

    He did mention that he was from another planet. What was it again?

    Hey. Would this broaden the appeal of the birtherism.

    Anyways, I have to agree with J.Potter.

  4. avatar
    Obsolete July 26, 2011 at 1:27 pm #

    Only slightly more (less?) kooky than WND/Michael Savage’s theory that the Norway shootings were a left-wing false flag conspiracy.

  5. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 26, 2011 at 1:30 pm #

    Krypton.

    AnotherBird: He did mention that he was from another planet. What was it again?

  6. avatar
    Pastor Charmley July 26, 2011 at 1:53 pm #

    No, he denied that he was sent here from the doomed planet Krypton by his parents to save the world. So that means obviously that he really was shot here in a rocket ship from Krypton, and is either concealing his powers or lost them due to gold kryptonite.

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    Sef July 26, 2011 at 2:07 pm #

    AnotherBird: He did mention that he was from another planet.

    As are we all, quite possibly.

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    Pastor Charmley July 26, 2011 at 2:08 pm #

    Just read Michael Savage’s ravings. The man is a twit.

  9. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 26, 2011 at 2:12 pm #

    I see you are a well-read fellow. Now the test: what is the effect of white Kryptonite?

    Pastor Charmley: either concealing his powers or lost them due to gold kryptonite.

  10. avatar
    Pastor Charmley July 26, 2011 at 3:50 pm #

    I believe white-K kills plant life.

  11. avatar
    G July 26, 2011 at 4:10 pm #

    FYI Dr. C: When clicking on your first news reports link, my A/V software responded with “threat blocked” warnings and blocked my access to the site…so I don’t know if you want to be giving out that link or not.

  12. avatar
    Loren July 26, 2011 at 4:17 pm #

    I think it was during his interview with Orly Taitz that Stephen Colbert said that the 1890 claim implies that Obama is a 120-year-old Connecticut vampire.

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    AnotherBird July 26, 2011 at 5:11 pm #

    Loren:
    I think it was during his interview with Orly Taitz that Stephen Colbert said that the 1890 claim implies that Obama is a 120-year-old Connecticut vampire.

    So white Kryptonite turned him into a vampire. No, he uses the white Krptonite as sun block. Do I have my theories confused?

  14. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 26, 2011 at 6:39 pm #

    I am impressed.

    Pastor Charmley: I believe white-K kills plant life.

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    Lucas D. Smith July 26, 2011 at 6:59 pm #

    It all makes sense now.

    Also, I was wondering what the legal age, age of consent, is for these aliens. 14, 15, 16, 17, 18?

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    Northeast Elizabeth July 26, 2011 at 7:09 pm #

    Nice speculation about how the Hawaii social security office mistakenly issued a Connecticut number! Got another example of this ever happening, outside of fraud? Didn’t think so! Maybe the brave press will dig into Hawaii’s SS records and try to confirm what really happened. Or maybe not.

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    Sef July 26, 2011 at 7:12 pm #

    Northeast Elizabeth:
    Nice speculation about how the Hawaii social security office mistakenly issued a Connecticut number!Got another example of this ever happening, outside of fraud?Didn’t think so!Maybe the brave press will dig into Hawaii’s SS records and try to confirm what really happened.Or maybe not.

    Except that the HI office does not issue numbers. Any other suggestions?

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    dunstvangeet July 26, 2011 at 8:03 pm #

    Northeast Elizabeth:
    Nice speculation about how the Hawaii social security office mistakenly issued a Connecticut number!Got another example of this ever happening, outside of fraud?Didn’t think so!Maybe the brave press will dig into Hawaii’s SS records and try to confirm what really happened.Or maybe not.

    The Hawaii Social Security Office didn’t assign it. The Central Social Security Office did.

    There are literally thousands of examples of people being assigned Social Security Numbers, when they never lived in the state. One example is Dwight David Eisenhower.

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    Northland10 July 26, 2011 at 8:06 pm #

    Northeast Elizabeth: Got another example of this ever happening, outside of fraud?

    You have read the SSA’s website where they mention that the first three numbers, correct?

    Note: One should not make too much of the “geographical code.” It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information. The numbering scheme was designed in 1936 (before computers) to make it easier for SSA to store the applications in our files in Baltimore since the files were organized by regions as well as alphabetically. It was really just a bookkeeping device for our own internal use and was never intended to be anything more than that.

    http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html

    It is not meant to be absolute and was never intended for anything more than a pre-computer bookkeeping device. Quite simply, any number of things could happen and since it has no bearing on whether it is valid, the SSA does not bother to validate or audit what area code is used on SSNs (I believe they do not even use them anymore).

    This is the simple reality Orly does not want to understand.

  20. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 26, 2011 at 8:06 pm #

    Yes, I do have an example since you asked. Social-security numbers in the 1970’s were issued centrally. The number was assigned based on the zip code of the return address. If a leading “9” of a Hawaii zip code was read as a “0”, then Hawaii becomes Connecticut.

    I personally sent in a typed income tax return with a “9” and it was read as a “0” by the IRS, who wanted more money until I showed them that they had misread the number. So I have another example of exactly the same error that could explain the Obama’s Connecticut SSN.

    I have presented a complete, simple and plausible explanation of why Obama has a Connecticut SSN. However, no one who claims fraud has ever provided a scenario explaining how the number was obtained by fraud, why it was obtained, or why fraud was never detected. There are myriad loose ends in the fraud story and no one to my knowledge has even attempted to put together a narrative explaining the theory.

    Now, do you have an example of a teenager from Hawaii getting a Connecticut social-security number by fraud?

    I didn’t think so.

    Northeast Elizabeth: Nice speculation about how the Hawaii social security office mistakenly issued a Connecticut number! Got another example of this ever happening, outside of fraud? Didn’t think so.

  21. avatar
    Northland10 July 26, 2011 at 8:11 pm #

    Loren:
    I think it was during his interview with Orly Taitz that Stephen Colbert said that the 1890 claim implies that Obama is a 120-year-old Connecticut vampire.

    I surprised that has not appeared on the Post and eMail or Dr. Kate’s.

  22. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 26, 2011 at 9:14 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy,

    With all due respect, you are incorrect about the Social Security Death Index. The list is not comprehensive. Some people’s names never make it on that list. There is nothing atypical about it either.

    There are lots of Americans that die everyday and their names never make it on that list.

    I’m fairly certain now that all the keyboard detectives are going to start citing laws and policy that they’ve just Googled. They say that I’m wrong and then they feel all powerful and wise with their fingers resting gently on the keyboard and their eyes fixed proudly on the screen taking in there great feat.

    Then there will be a few that bring their farcicial accounts of having worked closely with the system for 17 years or that their sister or aunt was an employee at some place that knows all about it. Or that they are great scientist and that such things that Lucas has entered here are scientifically impossible.

    In the real world things work a little ( a lot ) different then what is posted online about what happens in the real world.

    Lastly, it isn’t a mistake that SSDI doesn’t have all deads listed. Its just that if they don’t have a way of knowing then they aren’t going to know.

    For example, if I died today I really and truly doubt that my name
    would ever, or at least until our society becomes all invasive and I can’t even flush my can without the government counting the gallons with a transmitter adjacent my bathroom telesceen, make its way to the SSDI.

    Secondly, on to a different point here, there are lots of trogs, much like myself, that would never spot (or if we did we still wouldnt care) extra income and taxes being paid into out SS, Med and Fed. Futhermore, the SSA invariably does not look into oddities such as two different names paying taxes SS and Med. If they do, they are quite reluctant to do so. Typically they will only come knocking at your door when you start trying to collect SS, if your ever do. You can read famous cases about this. Perhaps Paul Pieniezny can do The Google and cite a few. There is one case where a curiously and pesky little SSA auditor that loved a good mystery spent more than 20 years attempting to get approval to escalate some sort of action or investigation into two different names, into two different states, that had been paying into SS for decades. After going all postal for years years and cying, begging and pleading up the chain of command he finally got the ok to take action. He went to one of the guys address that was store that the guy owned in some small town in the mountains. They guy was living a up and up life. However, he wasnt the real owner of the name. Turns out he was a fugitive that had started his life over to avoid some sort of federal bomb charge from decades ago. When the true owner of the name was asked why he never noticed/reported the extra payin to SS he stated somthing about not seeing anything wrong with putting extra money into SS account. Turns out this guy was fairly well to do off as well, financially.

  23. avatar
    US Citizen July 26, 2011 at 9:15 pm #

    I’ve had typos on credit cards, bank statements, my drivers license and see them daily in news articles.
    I think it would be much more unlikely that Northeast Elizabeth has gone through her whole life and never encountered some typo or data entry mistake herself.
    Fraud is much more unlikely than a simple clerical error.
    Then one would have to have made up fake birth announcements, fake SS numbers, fake birth certificate, fake childhood photos, fake diplomas and countless other fake items.
    Believing a clerical error on one single digit is reasonable.
    Believing that an entire identity could be faked and rise to the level of the president requires a certain madness quite beyond chance.
    Sounds like Northeast Elizabeth has been eating the yellow Kryptonite.

  24. avatar
    shapeshipper3 July 26, 2011 at 9:24 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Yes, I do have an example since you asked. Social-security numbers in the 1970β€²s were issued centrally. The number was assigned based on the zip code of the return address. If a leading “9‘ of a Hawaii zip code was read as a “0‘, then Hawaii becomes Connecticut.

    I personally sent in a typed income tax return with a “9‘ and it was read as a “0‘ by the IRS, who wanted more money until I showed them that they had misread the number. So I have another example of exactly the same error that could explain the Obama’s Connecticut SSN.

    I have presented a complete, simple and plausible explanation of why Obama has a Connecticut SSN. However, no one who claims fraud has ever provided a scenario explaining how the number was obtained by fraud, why it was obtained, or why fraud was never detected. There are myriad loose ends in the fraud story and no one to my knowledge has even attempted to put together a narrative explaining the theory.

    Now, do you have an example of a teenager from Hawaii getting a Connecticut social-security number by fraud?

    I didn’t think so.

    SSA wouldn’t correct a Hawaii applicant’s incorrect zip code. An incorrect zip code is an immediate indication of fraud. Supporting documents are filed with the SSN application. The application and supporting documents are examined by a trained document examiner in the SSA. Inconsistencies in the applicant’s documentation are not corrected or ignored to process the application with expediency. Applications with an incorrect zip code are returned to the applicant. The applicant must make corrections and refile.

    Obama was in the custody of an American Refugee Resettlement Organization headquartered in Connecticut. It was this ARO that filed for Obama. Obama’s mothers or his grandmothers signature is not on the application. Why? Because Obama was in the custody of the Connecticut ARO.

    Native born, refugee, naturalized citizen who became President … truth hurts.

  25. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 26, 2011 at 9:25 pm #

    One mix-up in my comment above. I think, if I remember correctly now, the fugitive with the store in the montain town was NOT using the same name as the real owner of the SSN. I think he was using a fake name, but a real SS number that belonged to the other person. But then again, maybe he was using the other guys real name. Its been a few since I saw the show on A&E.

  26. avatar
    gorefan July 26, 2011 at 10:05 pm #

    shapeshipper3: SSA wouldn’t correct a Hawaii applicant’s incorrect zip code.

    This is all nonsense. The SSA has document examiners looking at all the submittals. Sven – that is just more of your craziness.

  27. avatar
    gorefan July 26, 2011 at 10:17 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Perhaps Paul Pieniezny can do The Google and cite a few.

    Boy, you sure have a hard on for Paul ever since he b!tched slapped you over that poor job of googling you did.

    Really, dude, get over it.

  28. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 26, 2011 at 10:38 pm #

    Please see footnote to main article, which I’m not sure was added before your comment. The article is humor.

    Lucas D. Smith: With all due respect, you are incorrect about the Social Security Death Index. The list is not comprehensive. Some people’s names never make it on that list

  29. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith July 26, 2011 at 10:38 pm #

    Hi Gorefan,

    Why do you use the harsh language? I don’t think I’ve used the ‘b’ word here.

    Why did you reply to only one sentence, one that was not of any significance to the points I was explaining, of my rather lengthy and informative comment? It appears that you only focus on the negative side of things.

    Focusing on the negative things in life will only bring more negative into your life. You might have wondered before why your life is not one that you enjoy. Now you know how to change that. I’m happy that I was able to help you change your life tonight. No matter how sad you probably feel inside tonight just remember that you can change things this very moment. Just like the guy in the book The Power of Now did.

    if you need someone to talk to you are welcome to call me and family at 319-804-0440 and we will also send you a care package with toilet paper, toothbrush, proteins bars and a happy happy joy joy Ren & Stimpy card!

    Good night.

  30. avatar
    AnotherBird July 26, 2011 at 10:52 pm #

    shapeshipper3: SSA wouldn’t correct a Hawaii applicant’s incorrect zip code. An incorrect zip code is an immediate indication of fraud.

    Errors are not fraud. No body know how the error occurred. Conventional wisdom suggests it was a clerical error. Some cling to the smallest detail for reasons I just don’t know.

  31. avatar
    gorefan July 26, 2011 at 10:56 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Why did you reply to only one sentence, one that was not of any significance to the points I was explaining, of my rather lengthy and informative comment? I

    Why did you feel the need to add the sentence?

  32. avatar
    US Citizen July 27, 2011 at 12:30 am #

    Lucas D. Smith: Focusing on the negative things in life will only bring more negative into your life. You might have wondered before why your life is not one that you enjoy.

    Go easy on him, oh enlightened one.
    Having never been in jail, some of us will just have to blindly find our way through life.
    Surely in your worldly wisdom, you can find some pity for poor Paul?
    He doesn’t yet know the enjoyment of having a felony conviction, dropping the soap or sitting in a cop car with cuffs on.
    Be kind.

  33. avatar
    Randy July 27, 2011 at 12:58 am #

    Welcome back Svenshaper.

  34. avatar
    Rickey July 27, 2011 at 2:12 am #

    Northeast Elizabeth:
    Nice speculation about how the Hawaii social security office mistakenly issued a Connecticut number!Got another example of this ever happening, outside of fraud?

    My ex-wife’s SSN begins with the digits 210, which denotes Pennsylvania. She has never lived or worked in Pennsylvania.

    Next question?

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    Keith July 27, 2011 at 4:48 am #

    Lucas D. Smith:
    It all makes sense now.

    Also, I was wondering what the legal age, age of consent, is for these aliens.14, 15, 16, 17, 18?

    None of the above. It is 3 (three). But then their planet has a year 10 times longer than ours.

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    Keith July 27, 2011 at 4:55 am #

    shapeshipper3: Applications with an incorrect zip code are returned to the applicant. The applicant must make corrections and refile.

    How?

    If the return zipcode is wrong, how does it get back to the applicant?

    What if the applicant wrote down the correct zip code and the SSA processing clerk hit a zero key instead of the nine key? What is the fraud and why does it have anything to do with the applicant?

  37. avatar
    Seeker; born every minute July 27, 2011 at 6:02 am #

    You’re all making this too complicated.
    The simple, straightforward truth is that Barack Obama is really a clone of the Egyptian pharaoh Akhenaten, created by the Hidden Masters as the only one who can deal with the 2012 extraterrestrial invasion (as fortold by Mayan prophecy). The Connecticut SSN was, of course, necessary for numerological reasons.

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    Northland10 July 27, 2011 at 6:17 am #

    Seeker; born every minute: The simple, straightforward truth is that Barack Obama is really a clone of the Egyptian pharaoh Akhenaten, created by the Hidden Masters as the only one who can deal with the 2012 extraterrestrial invasion (as fortold by Mayan prophecy). The Connecticut SSN was, of course, necessary for numerological reasons.

    You would go far as a birther πŸ˜‰

  39. avatar
    Daniel July 27, 2011 at 11:56 am #

    Lucas D. Smith: you are incorrect about the Social Security Death Index. The list is not comprehensive. Some people’s names never make it on that list.

    Enoch, for instance

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    Sef July 27, 2011 at 12:15 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Some people’s names never make it on that list.

    I couldn’t find Jimmy Hoffa even though he was declared legally dead.

  41. avatar
    Mary Adams July 27, 2011 at 1:16 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Lastly, it isn’t a mistake that SSDI doesn’t have all deads listed. Its just that if they don’t have a way of knowing then they aren’t going to know.

    For example, if I died today I really and truly doubt that my name
    would ever,

    If your body was identified, a death certificate would be made out and your death reported to the SSA.

    Dead bodies are taken very seriously in the US.

    You own a car? Nothing can be done with it, if it is in your name, without a death certificate.

    I guess you’re planning on your body never being found, having no family to petition to declare you dead for benefits or having anything of value that requires disposal.

  42. avatar
    Sef July 27, 2011 at 1:42 pm #

    Mary Adams: If your body was identified, a death certificate would be made out and your death reported to the SSA.

    Dead bodies are taken very seriously in the US.

    You own a car? Nothing can be done with it, if it is in your name, without a death certificate.

    I guess you’re planning on your body never being found, having no family to petition to declare you dead for benefits or having anything of value that requires disposal.

    A prerequisite for being in the SSDI is to have a SSN. Not everyone has/had one. Even for people who had a good part of their lives after 1935.

  43. avatar
    G July 27, 2011 at 1:55 pm #

    LOL! It has been years since I’ve seen a good Ren & Stimpy reference…and of course, the Happy Happy Joy Joy song to boot! Well, I’ve heard recently that MTV is bringing back Beavis & Butthead…maybe Nick can bring back Ren & Stimpy too…

    Lucas D. Smith: a happy happy joy joy Ren & Stimpy card!

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    G July 27, 2011 at 2:03 pm #

    I think you are missing the point. Comprehensive as things can get. Every database is prone to both errors and ommissions. As you would say, nothing atypical about that. Therefore comprehensive doesn’t mean perfect, just as accurate as things typically get. Of course that will have some delays, errors and ommissions sprinkled throughout, but that is the general database where things would go and be reported, once they are received and entered – and that really is the whole point.

    If anything your points just illustrate the very same basic argument being made of why Obama’s SSN can easily be a simple clerical error and why all Orly’s crazy SSN quest amounts to nothing more than a GIGO based quixotic quest of stupidity.

    Lucas D. Smith: With all due respect, you are incorrect about the Social Security Death Index. The list is not comprehensive. Some people’s names never make it on that list. There is nothing atypical about it either.

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    Mary Adams July 27, 2011 at 2:10 pm #

    Sef: A prerequisite for being in the SSDI is to have a SSN. Not everyone has/had one. Even for people who had a good part of their lives after 1935.

    Lucas Smith claims to have been employed in the US. He has a SSN.

    Very, very few people now living do not have SSNs. You can’t legally work, apply for social security benefits, collect spousal benefits, be listed as a spouse or dependent for taxes, or get medicare without one.

  46. avatar
    Sef July 27, 2011 at 2:38 pm #

    Mary Adams: Lucas Smith claims to have been employed in the US. He has a SSN.

    Very, very few people now living do not have SSNs. You can’t legally work, apply for social security benefits, collect spousal benefits, be listed as a spouse or dependent for taxes, or get medicare without one.

    I would not have made the comment if I did not know of at least one specific case.

  47. avatar
    JoZeppy July 27, 2011 at 3:34 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: With all due respect, you are incorrect about the Social Security Death Index. The list is not comprehensive. Some people’s names never make it on that list. There is nothing atypical about it either.

    Is the list perfect, certainly not. There are people who never make it on the list. However, I would disagree with your contention that it is nothing atypical. The whole SS system is about paying benefits. with the exception of the homeless John Doe that no one can identify, and no family to be found, you figure when most people die they have someone looking to get survivor’s benefits. You can rest assured if someone if asking for survivor’s benefits, that name will make it on to the Death Index.

    Lucas D. Smith: In the real world things work a little ( a lot ) different then what is posted online about what happens in the real world.

    I have to say, this is just getting silly. Let’s all bow down to Lucas Smith. He knows how the real world works. No need for verification, because in the real world, there is no such thing. Since nothing is verifiable, then no one can ever prove that Lucas Smith’s POSFAKBC is really fake…afterall, Lucas Smith knows how the “real world” works. Do you have any idea how ridiculous this is getting. It’s your excuse for everything that doesn’t fit into your clumsily hobbled together world of lies. You’re like the 5 year old caught in a lie and the best he can come up with is, “well, just because.”

    Lucas D. Smith: Lastly, it isn’t a mistake that SSDI doesn’t have all deads listed. Its just that if they don’t have a way of knowing then they aren’t going to know.

    Like I said before…when someone dies, usually someone will be looking for the survivor benefits. You will have the odd John Doe homeless guy, the person that just disappears, etc. But again, those are the exceptions. They are infact rather atypical.

    Lucas D. Smith: For example, if I died today I really and truly doubt that my name
    would ever, or at least until our society becomes all invasive and I can’t even flush my can without the government counting the gallons with a transmitter adjacent my bathroom telesceen, make its way to the SSDI.

    Granted, I doubt you’ve worked enough honest jobs to rack up and real survivor benefits, but unless you disappear in the jungles of Congo, never to be heard from again, I think there chances are pretty high that you will make it to the SSDI.

    Lucas D. Smith: Secondly, on to a different point here, there are lots of trogs, much like myself, that would never spot (or if we did we still wouldnt care) extra income and taxes being paid into out SS, Med and Fed. Futhermore, the SSA invariably does not look into oddities such as two different names paying taxes SS and Med. If they do, they are quite reluctant to do so. Typically they will only come knocking at your door when you start trying to collect SS, if your ever do. You can read famous cases about this.

    You may be right….but the IRS is a little different (I mistyped my wife’s ssn on this year’s taxes and it was immediately rejected for the name not matching the number). Credit reporting agencies are also pretty touchy. So you can guess, someone who graduates from one of the top 3 law schools in the country, takes a job in an international law firm, making big bucks, paying taxes, then goes into public office, publishes a best selling books, takes out credit, purchases a home, etc., is not going to get away with using someone else’s ssn for over 30 years. President Obama is not exactly keeping a low profile living in some small mountain town.

  48. avatar
    Sef July 27, 2011 at 3:53 pm #

    As an aside, how does the SSA issue a SSN to someone in a witness protection program without making the number look suspicious to someone who understands what the sets of digits mean? Like issuing a number to a 40-year old who should have gotten a number ages ago, but the number indicates it was assigned last week. Oops!

  49. avatar
    Jules July 27, 2011 at 5:41 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Dr. Conspiracy,

    With all due respect, you are incorrect about the Social Security Death Index. The list is not comprehensive. Some people’s names never make it on that list. There is nothing atypical about it either.

    There are lots of Americans that die everyday and their names never make it on that list.

    I’m fairly certain now that all the keyboard detectives are going to start citing laws and policy that they’ve just Googled. They say that I’m wrong and then they feel all powerful and wise with their fingers resting gently on the keyboard and their eyes fixed proudly on the screen taking in there great feat.

    Then there will be a few that bring their farcicial accounts of having worked closely with the system for 17 years or that their sister or aunt was an employee at some place that knows all about it. Or that they are great scientist and that such things that Lucas has entered here are scientifically impossible.

    In the real world things work a little ( a lot ) different then what is posted online about what happens in the real world.

    Lastly, it isn’t a mistake that SSDI doesn’t have all deads listed. Its just that if they don’t have a way of knowing then they aren’t going to know.

    For example, if I died today I really and truly doubt that my name
    would ever, or at least until our society becomes all invasive and I can’t even flush my can without the government counting the gallons with a transmitter adjacent my bathroom telesceen, make its way to the SSDI.

    Secondly, on to a different point here, there are lots of trogs, much like myself, that would never spot (or if we did we still wouldnt care) extra income and taxes being paid into out SS, Med and Fed. Futhermore, the SSA invariably does not look into oddities such as two different names paying taxes SS and Med. If they do, they are quite reluctant to do so. Typically they will only come knocking at your door when you start trying to collect SS, if your ever do. You can read famous cases about this. Perhaps Paul Pieniezny can do The Google and cite a few. There is one case where a curiously and pesky little SSA auditor that loved a good mystery spent more than 20 years attempting to get approval to escalate some sort of action or investigation into two different names, into two different states, that had been paying into SS for decades. After going all postal for years years and cying, begging and pleading up the chain of command he finally got the ok to take action. He went to one of the guys address that was store that the guy owned in some small town in the mountains. They guy was living a up and up life. However, he wasnt the real owner of the name. Turns out he was a fugitive that had started his life over to avoid some sort of federal bomb charge from decades ago. When the true owner of the name was asked why he never noticed/reported the extra payin to SS he stated somthing about not seeing anything wrong with putting extra money into SS account. Turns out this guy was fairly well to do off as well, financially.

    Just as there are occasional problems in the system for getting dead people recorded as such in the SSA’s records, there are errors in:
    1. The entry of an applicant’s ZIP code and resulting geographical code for Social Security number issuing purposes; and
    2. Data entry when credit applications are made.

    Additionally, credit databases can end up storing incorrect names, addresses, and dates of birth when a person other than Barack Obama makes a credit application or query in his name, or when there are data entry errors in legitimate use of credit records.

    The above “real world” factors affect Social Security numbers and the data appearing in the databases that Orly Taitz used. However, Orly Taitz’s entire reasoning assumes that the existence of a Connecticut prefix always corresponds to someone who has lived in Connecticut. She also assumes that the existence of a database entry showing an 1890 birth is conclusive as to the subject’s date of birth. It is only because some fail to take account of real world errors that anyone regards Obama’s Social Security and credit records as notable.

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    jleinf August 6, 2011 at 7:21 am #

    Until I see some facts I’m going with the most logical assumption: It’s hard to get a social security number if you don’t have a U.S. birth certificate or any hospital records so grandma got a Conn. one for him.

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    Dr. Conspiracy August 6, 2011 at 9:13 am #

    Your comment is nonsense. One doesn’t even have to be a US Citizen to get a social-security number, not to mention the fact that Obama has a birth certificate.

    jleinf: Until I see some facts I’m going with the most logical assumption: It’s hard to get a social security number if you don’t have a U.S. birth certificate or any hospital records so grandma got a Conn. one for him.

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    Keith August 6, 2011 at 9:50 am #

    jleinf:
    Until I see some facts I’m going with the most logical assumption: It’s hard to get a social security number if you don’t have a U.S. birth certificate or any hospital records so grandma got a Conn. one for him.

    My wife is not a US citizen and does not have a U.S. birth certificate or any U.S. hospital records, yet she has a perfectly legitimate SSN and she had absolutely no difficulty what-so-ever getting one either.

    On the other hand, President Obama does have a U.S. Birth Certificate so the non-existent difficulty you raise is not applicable anyway.

    Those are some facts.

    Now can we have a report on your changed assumptions please?

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    Northland10 August 6, 2011 at 1:59 pm #

    jleinf:
    Until I see some facts I’m going with the most logical assumption: It’s hard to get a social security number if you don’t have a U.S. birth certificate or any hospital records so grandma got a Conn. one for him.

    Before you make your “logical assumption,” I would suggest you check the SSA website on what documents you actually need. They site is very helpful and will even explain what documents you need even if you are a non-citizen.

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    Scientist August 6, 2011 at 3:45 pm #

    jleinf: Until I see some facts I’m going with the most logical assumption: It’s hard to get a social security number if you don’t have a U.S. birth certificate or any hospital records so grandma got a Conn. one for him.

    I’m just curious, since they lived in Hawaii, wouldn’t a person who committed fraud get a Hawaiian one to avoid suspicion? Plus the birthers claim that grandma fraudulently got a Hawaiian biirth certificate, so why not use that to get a real SSN? You guys should try to make up one story and stick to it.

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    obsolete August 6, 2011 at 10:10 pm #

    Oh yes! The highly, highly valued above-all-others Connecticut SS Number!
    (won’t someone let me in on what is the advantage to having a CT SS number as opposed to a Hawaiian one?) Birthers claim he got a CT number by fraud- why? What advantage did he gain?

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    Sef August 7, 2011 at 1:37 am #

    obsolete:
    Oh yes! The highly, highly valued above-all-others Connecticut SS Number!
    (won’t someone let me in on what is the advantage to having a CT SS number as opposed to a Hawaiian one?) Birthers claim he got a CT number by fraud- why? What advantage did he gain?

    What would a pumpkin pie be w/o nutmeg? Coconut in pumpkin pie? I don’t think so.

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    Joyeagle August 7, 2011 at 10:26 pm #

    Obsolete/scientist, et al. Since jleinf did a hit and run, let me be so presumptios to get into his birther mind and answer:

    It all is the part of a hidden identity … this, “we don’t know who he is or where he comes from”, he just pops up “out of nowhere”, 1/2 a term in the senate and then the president of the USA?!? How can this be? We don’t know who he is, but there are some “shady” things about the birth certificate he was “forced” to release, and his hidden records from all of his schools, all of his connections are radicalists, and so this is just one more question of a fraudulent identity. What is the advantage? None, other than covering up who you really are.

    NOTE: I am not suggesting any of this as my thinking anymore … just the way I might have approached it a month or so ago (forgot to note the date of the beginning of my recovery).

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    J. Potter August 7, 2011 at 11:26 pm #

    Yes, yes, the suspicious meteoric rise from nowhere…perhaps if they were informed, paid attention, it would not seem so. But here is the double standard: how much do birthers know about Corsi, Taitz, Apuzzo? Did not these “heroes” appear from nowhere? How much of their information is public? Do their followers care? How much history did these thought leaders have to pile up to establish credibility? Doesn’t matter. Every word out of their lips is gospel to their followers. On a broader spectrum, I’ll toss in Beck, Palin, Paul, Bachmann, etc. Legions of people buying into demagoguery. It happens on the left, too. “If I like what they say, they’re golden.” These crowds are leaving themselves wide open to bait-and-switch. The birthers have made themselves hypocrites. They demand information to be satisfied, but all information they get is twisted into fuel for further demands, based on swill accepted from unexamined sources.

    Imagine, for a second, swapping Corsi and President Obama’s life stories. Leave all other details the same. Just suspend disbelief, I couldn’t explain how President Ocorsi could possibly be elected. Just imagine the field day the birthers would have with Corsi’s dirt laundry, based on all the hay they have made of President Obama’s relatively squeaky clean past!

    Joyeagle:
    Obsolete/scientist, et al.Since jleinf did a hit and run, let me be so presumptios to get into his birther mind and answer:

    It all is the part of a hidden identity … this, “we don’t know who he is or where he comes from”, he just pops up “out of nowhere”, 1/2 a term in the senate and then the president of the USA?!? How can this be?We don’t know who he is, but there are some “shady” things about the birth certificate he was “forced” to release, and his hidden records from all of his schools, all of his connections are radicalists, and so this is just one more question of a fraudulent identity.What is the advantage?None, other than covering up who you really are.

    NOTE: I am not suggesting any of this as my thinking anymore … just the way I might have approached it a month or so ago (forgot to note the date of the beginning of my recovery).

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    G August 7, 2011 at 11:37 pm #

    Yeah, but the “hidden identity” meme doesn’t really hold up either, for anyone who pauses to actually think before just spouting off bumper sticker slogans.

    It is accurate to say that he had a fast rise in politics, that’s about it. People can chose to not be happy with someone who advances quickly in their career…some people just aren’t comfortable with anything that seems to happen “too fast” for them. Of course, some people are just jealous of a fast rise, but I’m going to pull back before drifiting off in some unnecessary tangent.

    My point is that the ONLY validity to the issue is that he rose quickly, not that he was actually an “unknown”, except to those who don’t pay attention to such things or who chose to willfully put their fingers in their ears and close their eyes to ignore anything they simply don’t want to hear about.

    The man had a published best selling autobiography published in the mid 1990s. Before that, he was in the news for being the first black man to lead the Harvard Law Review. He was a prominent politician in IL state politics before becoming their Senator in 2005 at the federal level.

    He really made national headlines with his memorable speech as the Keynote Speaker at the 2004 DNC. From that point on, he was a “rising star” on a national level and there was a fairly constant stream of coverage on TV and in prominent national newspapers and magazines about him and his life story from that point on. This only increased exponentially once he declared himself a candidate for President in early 2007. Anyone who lived through that longest and most covered of all time Presidential election cycles and didn’t know his life story well in advance of the election was willfully not paying any attention or in utter denial.

    Bottom Line: To say he came “out of nowhere” is utter bunk and an excuse that belies something else behind what they actually mean when they say that. You can say he rose quicker than you were comfortable with and that you wish he had more “seasoning” and experience” as a result, but that’s about where a legitimate issue of concern on this angle ends.

    To claim he is some “unknown” is usually just a thinly veiled excuse to falsely smear him as being “foreign” in some way, which comes across as glib bigotry.

    Joyeagle: Obsolete/scientist, et al. Since jleinf did a hit and run, let me be so presumptios to get into his birther mind and answer: It all is the part of a hidden identity … this, “we don’t know who he is or where he comes from”, he just pops up “out of nowhere”, 1/2 a term in the senate and then the president of the USA?!? How can this be? We don’t know who he is, but there are some “shady” things about the birth certificate he was “forced” to release, and his hidden records from all of his schools, all of his connections are radicalists, and so this is just one more question of a fraudulent identity. What is the advantage? None, other than covering up who you really are.NOTE: I am not suggesting any of this as my thinking anymore … just the way I might have approached it a month or so ago (forgot to note the date of the beginning of my recovery).

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    Rickey August 7, 2011 at 11:48 pm #

    Joyeagle:

    It all is the part of a hidden identity … this, “we don’t know who he is or where he comes from”, he just pops up “out of nowhere”, 1/2 a term in the senate and then the president of the USA?!? How can this be?

    Yes, but the birthers first decided that they didn’t like Obama, and then looked for reasons to distrust him. If they applied the same standards to Sarah Palin, how much more did she pop up “out of nowhere?” Most people had never heard of her when McCain selected her, and she spent less time as Governor of Alaska than Obama spent as Senator from Illinois. And Obama had written two best-selling books. It’s possible that Palin has read two best-selling books, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

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    Scientist August 8, 2011 at 9:07 am #

    Joyeagle: It all is the part of a hidden identity … this, “we don’t know who he is or where he comes from”, he just pops up “out of nowhere”, 1/2 a term in the senate and then the president of the USA?

    Lincoln had only 1 term in the House before being elected President. He had neither an SSN nor a birth certifiicate.

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    joyeagle August 8, 2011 at 2:29 pm #

    Remembering again that I am just “playing the game” for jleinf … a “devil’s advocate” rather than actually thinking the devil’s thoughts anymore πŸ˜‰ … I am sure after several other runs for the senate–the very famous Lincoln/Douglas debates and an extensive law career (standing in front of Illinois Supreme Court 175 times) … Lincoln appears much more experienced, matured, and deserved of the office rather than being “given it”.

    OK … my thoughts now … obviously he wasn’t “given it” when the 10’s of millions of people have voted, just the appearance from the opposite side of the spectrum.

    Let me share just a little more of my “road to recovery.” Before I came to this site, and each of my “reservations” about his legitimacy were shot to shreds with hard evidence, my first reservation came when Huckabee disputed the birthers with the anecdotal … if there was anything to be found, I guarantee you HRC and team would have found it, (paraphrase, not quote).

    Scientist: Lincoln had only 1 term in the House before being elected President. He had neither an SSN nor a birth certifiicate.

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    Scientist August 8, 2011 at 2:47 pm #

    joyeagle-Lincoln ran for the Senate twice, in 1854 and 1858. Does that count as “several”? Keep in mind that in those days, US Senators were chosen by the State Legislature, so Lincoln never actually ran in a statewide election. In running for President, Lincoln did not have to go through primaries nor any debates to win the Republican nomination. He got the nomination through a somewhat tainted process, beating out 2 far better known and (on paper) more qualified candidates, William Seward and Salmon P Chase. There were no debates during the general election in those days.

    By contrast, Obama won a statewide election for the US Senate and had to go through an exhausting series of debates, primaries and caucuses to get the Democratic nommination for President. He had 3 debates with McCain durinng the general election.

    Of course none of this is relevant to the Constituutional requirements, which sayy nothing regarding previous elective office.

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    obsolete August 8, 2011 at 4:21 pm #

    Also, Lincoln had to convince the people of far fewer states to vote for him.
    I can imagine birthers back in Lincoln’s day-
    “Why, that is a mere photograph of the man! Why can’t he come directly to my door so I can see what he resembles! What is he hiding?”

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    G August 8, 2011 at 6:50 pm #

    Yes, a very, very important point. Had there been *any* legitimate dirt that could have be dug up on Obama – birtherism or otherwise, then the very agressive and experienced teams employed by HRC would have found it. Same is true with John McCain’s team during the general. If you look through the historical record from that time, you will actually find some statements by members of McCain’s campaign during the early days of birtherism where they clearly state that they looked into it and could find no truth or evidence to the birtherism rumours and claims.

    joyeagle: my first reservation came when Huckabee disputed the birthers with the anecdotal … if there was anything to be found, I guarantee you HRC and team would have found it, (paraphrase, not quote).

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    obsolete August 8, 2011 at 7:04 pm #

    G: If you look through the historical record from that time, you will actually find some statements by members of McCain’s campaign during the early days of birtherism where they clearly state that they looked into it and could find no truth or evidence to the birtherism rumours and claims.

    Of course, that just means his whole team is “in on it” because he was ineligible too!

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    Keith August 9, 2011 at 12:06 am #

    Scientist: joyeagle-Lincoln ran for the Senate twice, in 1854 and 1858. Does that count as “several”? Keep in mind that in those days, US Senators were chosen by the State Legislature, so Lincoln never actually ran in a statewide election. In running for President, Lincoln did not have to go through primaries nor any debates to win the Republican nomination. He got the nomination through a somewhat tainted process, beating out 2 far better known and (on paper) more qualified candidates, William Seward and Salmon P Chase. There were no debates during the general election in those days.

    Lincoln may have had the benefit of the first image consultant however.

    A ten year old (IIRC) girl told him during one of his local campaigns (again IIRC) that he would look much better (more Presidential? or more authoritative perhaps?), if he grew a beard. He had a gaunt, pockmarked, face that, combined for his unusual (for the time) height, undoubted turned people off. The beard softened all that and he became much more electable.