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The Fog-Bow Incident

The birthers have found ready-made monsters under the bed in the in participants of the Fogbow forum, an Internet site where much fun is made of as well as up-to-date breaking news reported on the birthers. Dr. Jerome Corsi has even dirtied his hands writing political smear articles on the WorldNetDaily featuring Fogbow and its predecessor PolitiJab. Now Dean Haskins has announced “The  FogBlow [sic] Initiative.” In an email to his Birther Summit mailing list, Haskins describes Fogbow participants this way:

They either recite blatant disinformation by purposely misinterpreting constitutional law and court decisions, or they simply mock and ridicule until the commenters tire of the dialog and just give up.

Well he’s at least half right. Mocking and ridicule are a prominent feature at the Fogbow.

As an example of Obot skullduggery, Haskins points to a couple of recent anti-birther articles, one at BernardGoldberg.com and the other at the The Orange County Register:

On both websites, but especially on Goldberg’s, most of the responses were from those who know that Barack Obama is not eligible to be president and has released forgeries in an attempt to conceal his true identity. However, if one peruses all the comments, it becomes immediately apparent that a few detractors attempted to slam every single one of the legitimate posts. Interestingly, at the same time, it was those same Obots who were trying to wear down anyone who was posting at the Orange County Register site.

A more accurate portrayal is that Goldberg was responding in his article to the birthers, who showed up in force to attack him, birthers including Dean Haskins himself, Mario Apuzzo, Charles Kerchner, Miki Booth, Neil Sankey, Sam Sewell, Neil Turner and Sally Hill. Indeed whenever anyone in the media says something negative about the birthers, the usual crew swarms.

But what is the “initiative?” Haskins explains:

At this point, the facts are there in abundance; the case has been made irrefutably. Spending time arguing with these operatives is essentially taking their bait to spend our time. We now have much more important work to do–”and I am not suggesting that we stop making our case with others who might not fully understand the facts….

When an operative tries to hijack a thread in which you have presented facts, do NOT engage them in a dialog! Simply respond with one word: “FOGBLOW!” And, then type the following URL: www.fogblow.com.

So that’s it. Haskins might well have been reading this blog to gain insight into the futility of trying to change someone’s mind. His URL, by the way, doesn’t lead anywhere interesting, at least not now. It’s just a skeleton page at BirtherSummit.org.

However, Haskins is once again trying to make himself a birther thought leader without thinking things through. First, no birther can stand being criticized and they will not be satisfied with a silly “FOGBLOW.” Second, people will read a well-reasoned argument from normal people on a forum rather than go to some unknown URL — in fact, the word “FOGBLOW” followed by a URL will make no sense to anyone and will look more like comment spam than anything else. Further, a quick Google search will expose how ineffective Haskins’ leadership is, exposing the real depth of the movement and if anyone uses it, the keyword will be an easy way for Obots to find where the discussions area. All in all, it’s a lose-lose strategy for Haskins.

So whenever a Haskensite says “FOGBLOW” you might reply, “FOGBLOW don’t make it so” and then write something cogent. Perhaps a new phrase will enter the American lexicon: “to take a FogBlow” meaning to resign from a debate appealing to a URL instead.

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30 Responses to The Fog-Bow Incident

  1. avatar
    Joyeagle July 25, 2011 at 7:03 pm #

    All right then. I’ve never been to the Fogbow website, but did remember reading articles about him in WND during my birther months … that is why this was such a pleasant surprise when i found intelligent, respectful discussion and debate.

  2. avatar
    aarrgghh July 25, 2011 at 7:11 pm #

    “The FogBlow Initiative” … wasn’t that a robert ludlum novel?

  3. avatar
    Joey July 25, 2011 at 7:13 pm #

    Blogflow!

    Oops, I guess I’m going to have to practice if I want to be a Haskinsite.

  4. avatar
    Critical Thinker July 25, 2011 at 7:29 pm #

    Yeah. I can’t see this working. A couple of Obot insults aimed at Orly or Vattel and birthers will be swarming like very dumb bees on honey. And didn’t Dean declare that the official summit doctrine is “all hail Orly and Vattel”? Aren’t his followers obligated to defend summit doctrine?

  5. avatar
    Tarrant July 25, 2011 at 7:45 pm #

    So, Frank, let’s check the scoreboard.

    “Deliberate Attempts by FogBow to Misinterpret Court Decisions and Constitutional Law”: 90 some-odd court cases, 535 Congressmen, 50 Secretaries of State and Governors, dozens of federal and state judges.

    “Totally and Wholly 100% George-Washington Approved American as Apple Pie Swiss Philosopher Vattel sub Kenya Birther Constitutional, Legislative, and Court Interpretation”: zero.

    But it’s all a conspiracy I tell you. It’s all Fogbow. They are THAT powerful. They’re in it with the aliens. They’re building landing strips for gay Martians…

  6. avatar
    Bovril July 25, 2011 at 8:32 pm #

    So,

    The Ebil Obot Army cunning plan to make Birfoons spend time, effort, energy and money is asinine and ineffectual posturing that makes them look like the idiota they are REMAINS sucessful….. 😎

  7. avatar
    Majority Will July 25, 2011 at 8:34 pm #

    Tarrant:
    So, Frank, let’s check the scoreboard.

    “Deliberate Attempts by FogBow to Misinterpret Court Decisions and Constitutional Law”: 90 some-odd court cases, 535 Congressmen, 50 Secretaries of State and Governors, dozens of federal and state judges.

    “Totally and Wholly 100% George-Washington Approved American as Apple Pie Swiss Philosopher Vattel sub Kenya Birther Constitutional, Legislative, and Court Interpretation”: zero.

    But it’s all a conspiracy I tell you. It’s all Fogbow. They are THAT powerful. They’re in it with the aliens. They’re building landing strips for gay Martians…

    They must be illegal aliens then. And I thought they were shaving landing strips for gay Martians.

  8. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 25, 2011 at 10:57 pm #

    Sorry about the typos. I was in a hurry to get to Bible study and didn’t have time to proof it well.

  9. avatar
    Dave July 25, 2011 at 11:01 pm #

    The end of Haskins’ odd FogBlow posting briefly outlines his plan for organizing the Birther Summit — he wants to have a coordinator in each county in the US, to deal with all the participants from that county.

    I wonder if Haskins knows that there are over 3000 counties in the US. So far his members list numbers 25. There seems to be a basic numerical disconnect here.

  10. avatar
    Obsolete July 25, 2011 at 11:16 pm #

    Haskins was banned from the Fogbow after he posted a lie on Facebook claiming that Foggy said “what’s wrong with that?” when confronted with the thought of a Muslim takeover of America.
    He lies constantly about the meaning of court decisions and U.S. Law. He wants to be the Birther Fuhrer and demands purity of thought on the subject of Vattel.

  11. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 26, 2011 at 12:46 am #

    For our non-American visitors, the title of this article is a reverence to a Western novel, The Ox-Bow Incident about a lynch mob hanging innocent men.

  12. avatar
    Keith July 26, 2011 at 4:44 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    For our non-American visitors, the title of this article is a reverence to aWestern novel, The Oxbow Incident about a lynch mob hanging innocent men.

    And great movie starring Hank Fonda, Tony Quinn, Dana Andrews, and Harry Morgan.

  13. avatar
    Lupin July 26, 2011 at 5:06 am #

    Considering the unreality of the accusations, an ever better title might have been “An Occurrence at Fogbow Bridge”.

  14. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny July 26, 2011 at 6:34 am #

    Is it me or my computer – but I cannot seem to get to the Foxbow now?

    A fogbow is always a strange occurrence:
    http://www.atoptics.co.uk/droplets/fogbow.htm

  15. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny July 26, 2011 at 6:40 am #

    Oops, I meant Fogbow of course, and I cannot get to the Fogblow impersonator either.

    Maybe they are both on the same server?

  16. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny July 26, 2011 at 6:45 am #

    Oops, I meant Fogbow of course, and I tried to go to the impersonator but could not either.

    I thought maybe they were both on the same server?

    That is when I noticed Doc had linked to the fLogblow.

  17. avatar
    Majority Will July 26, 2011 at 7:20 am #

    Paul Pieniezny:
    Oops, I meant Fogbow of course, and I tried to go to the impersonator but could not either.

    I thought maybe they were both on the same server?

    That is when I noticed Doc had linked to the fLogblow.

    Access to The Fogbow works for me:
    http://www.thefogbow.com/

    It’s you. 😉

  18. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 26, 2011 at 9:55 am #

    The hyperlink in the main article has been fixed.

    Paul Pieniezny: That is when I noticed Doc had linked to the fLogblow.

  19. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny July 26, 2011 at 10:00 am #

    Majority Will: Access to The Fogbow works for me:
    http://www.thefogbow.com/

    It’s you.

    Nope. It did not work with me for two hours. I checked on another computer. Server not found. Then suddenly, the server WAS found. I have already posted since then.

    (Doc, you may delete my second posting about it – thanks Will for not answering to that one)

  20. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 26, 2011 at 11:07 am #

    Foggy at The Fogbow reports that the Terry Lakin Action Fund manager Marco Ciavolino is the web master for the Birther Summit and the FogBlow.

    DJW on the Fogbow forum discovered that FOGBLOW is an acroynm:

    Formally and Officially Grant that Birthers Lose, and Obots Win

  21. avatar
    Majority Will July 26, 2011 at 11:35 am #

    Paul Pieniezny: Nope. It did not work with me for two hours. I checked on another computer. Server not found. Then suddenly, the server WAS found. I have already posted since then.

    (Doc, you may delete my second posting about it – thanks Will for not answering to that one)

    When I can’t explain network or server anomalies, I find it best to just blame a sudden increase in solar flares. If you say it sincerely and seriously, people tend to look at you solemnly and slowly nod.

  22. avatar
    HellT July 26, 2011 at 12:31 pm #

    Tarrant:

    But it’s all a conspiracy I tell you. It’s all Fogbow. They are THAT powerful. They’re in it with the aliens. They’re building landing strips for gay Martians…

    You know what, Tarrant, I like you. You’re not like the other
    people on Fogbow.

    Oh, don’t go get me wrong. They’re fine people, they’re
    good Americans. But they’re content to sit back, maybe
    watch a little Mork and Mindy on channel 57, maybe kick
    back a cool, Coors 16-ouncer. They’re good, fine people,
    Tarrant. But they don’t know … what the Obots are doing
    to our country!

  23. avatar
    Tarrant July 26, 2011 at 3:50 pm #

    HellT: You know what, Tarrant, I like you. You’re not like the other
    people on Fogbow.

    Oh, don’t go get me wrong. They’re fine people, they’re
    good Americans. But they’re content to sit back, maybe
    watch a little Mork and Mindy on channel 57, maybe kick
    back a cool, Coors 16-ouncer. They’re good, fine people,
    Tarrant. But they don’t know … what the Obots are doing
    to our country!

    *thumbs up*, Stuart.

  24. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 26, 2011 at 10:51 pm #

    I have a Google alert set up for the keyword “FogBlow.” So far, it doesn’t show anyone using Haskins’ recommendation ANYWHERE.

  25. avatar
    Randy July 26, 2011 at 11:08 pm #

    Legal times

    The first Fogblow. Our own Bovril.

    Posted by: bovril | July 26, 2011 at 01:23 PM

    FOGBLOW! http://www.fogblow.com

  26. avatar
    Bovril July 27, 2011 at 6:12 am #

    Not me, I would never never post anything that would give Deano click through revenue.

    That was posted by “Pat Riot”

    I posted the one above,

    “Alas Zoe,

    Fully expect that Mad Old Orly will now attempt to sic her dwinding band of Flying Monkeys on you…….”

  27. avatar
    Randy July 27, 2011 at 7:59 am #

    So Sorry for the faulty info.

  28. avatar
    Bovril July 27, 2011 at 8:50 am #

    Pas de probleme mon ami, I fully expect Birfoons to try and use that sad little phrase on me at some point.

    It’s SO SCARY….. 😎

  29. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy July 31, 2011 at 12:47 pm #

    I find it ironic that when some Congressmen asked the Congressional Research Service to research issues about Obama’s eligibility so that they could to inquiries to constituents, the birthers thought that this was shameful and that Congressmen were being “told what to say.”

    But here we have a birther leader plainly telling the birthers what to say. Isn’t that shameful?

  30. avatar
    G July 31, 2011 at 1:18 pm #

    Their entire worldview and actions is one endless series of hypocricy and irony after another…

    Dr. Conspiracy: I find it ironic that when some Congressmen asked the Congressional Research Service to research issues about Obama’s eligibility so that they could to inquiries to constituents, the birthers thought that this was shameful and that Congressmen were being “told what to say.”But here we have a birther leader plainly telling the birthers what to say. Isn’t that shameful?