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Birther, but not Obot

Sometimes labels matter

A “birther” is defined as someone who believes Barack Obama is not eligible to be President of the United States by reason of the facts of his birth. It’s a not straw man label. Such people really exist; there are polls counting them. The only negative connotation of “birther” is that created by the nonsensical nature of the belief itself and the misbehavior of some who hold it.

“Obot” derives from “Obama robot,” someone who follows Barack Obama’s bidding to disrupt the birthers. In fact, those who oppose birthers get no direction from Barack Obama either directly or indirectly, and many of those those who oppose birthers aren’t Obama supporters at all. The “Obot” is a straw man label. There are no Obots.

While I was willing to accept the Obot tag at one time, I think that was a mistake. From now on, my phrase is “anti-birther” or “birther debunker.”

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40 Responses to Birther, but not Obot

  1. avatar
    richCares August 16, 2011 at 12:06 pm #

    what do you mean, no Obats! next you’ll be telling us there are no FEMA camps, Orly’s not going to like that!

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    Daniel August 16, 2011 at 12:10 pm #

    anti-birther?

    Accurate…. concise…. descriptive…. non-dramatic…

    Sorry the birthers will never accept that as our label.

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    Lucas D. Smith August 16, 2011 at 12:33 pm #

    ‘anti-‘ is not a good choice of words. You should read The Law of Attraction. Such terminologies as ‘anti-war’ only bring more war. ‘Peace’ would be better than ‘anti-war’.
    If you don’t like the terminology of Obot you should try something like ‘Idiot’.

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    Bovril August 16, 2011 at 12:33 pm #

    As the phrase somehow disproportionately scares the muppets of the Birfoon tendency, I wear the label with pride.

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    J. Edward Tremlett August 16, 2011 at 12:39 pm #

    Lucas, the only thing you know about the Law of Attraction is that your chosen profession attracts cops and jail cells.

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    jtx August 16, 2011 at 12:49 pm #

    The monniker “afterbirther” seems far more appropriate for you guys Kevin.

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    Stanislaw August 16, 2011 at 1:07 pm #

    I’m as anti-birther as they come, but I’ve never really been partial to that or to obot. I’ve always preferred the much more accurate term sane person.

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    Daniel August 16, 2011 at 1:25 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: If you don’t like the terminology of Obot you should try something like Idiot’.

    I tried to be an idiot…. but the label “Lucas” was already taken.

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    JoZeppy August 16, 2011 at 1:30 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: anti-’ is not a good choice of words. You should read The Law of Attraction. Such terminologies as anti-war’ only bring more war. ‘Peace’ would be better than anti-war’.If you don’t like the terminology of Obot you should try something like Idiot’.

    I believe that term is reserved for people who fall for your forgeries.

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    Bran Mak Morn August 16, 2011 at 2:07 pm #

    But… but… but there is a facebook Obot fanpage! The Obots!

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    jayHG August 16, 2011 at 2:32 pm #

    Stanislaw: I’m as anti-birther as they come, but I’ve never really been partial to that or to obot. I’ve always preferred the much more accurate term sane person.

    Stanislaw, this is my favorite post of the day!!!!!!!!

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    G August 16, 2011 at 2:55 pm #

    Reality-based would be a better term, in place of anti-birther. Stanislaw’s suggestion of sane person works too.

    Idiot is reserved for the gullible and irrationally paranoid end of the spectrum. It might not be an accurate description of the con artists grifting off of the emotions and fears of others, but it sure seems to describe many of their gullible birther followers pretty well.

    Lucas D. Smith: anti-’ is not a good choice of words. You should read The Law of Attraction. Such terminologies as anti-war’ only bring more war. ‘Peace’ would be better than anti-war’.If you don’t like the terminology of Obot you should try something like Idiot’.

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    SluggoJD August 16, 2011 at 3:34 pm #

    Well, I like “birther basher,” but that does not apply when dealing with opportunistic con artists like Lying Lucas.

    So let’s go with “crusader” instead, since that is what all the good guys are.

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    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) August 16, 2011 at 3:57 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: anti-’ is not a good choice of words. You should read The Law of Attraction. Such terminologies as anti-war’ only bring more war. ‘Peace’ would be better than anti-war’.If you don’t like the terminology of Obot you should try something like Idiot’.

    No if we were thinking of a new terminology for idiot we would think Lucas Smith.

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    aarrgghh August 16, 2011 at 4:06 pm #

    considering that birfers act like spoiled children, “grown-up” seems appropriate for those correcting them.

  16. avatar
    Bob August 16, 2011 at 4:23 pm #

    Obama-is-eligible-to-be-president-ableds

    Cornered Rats

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    sactosintolerant August 16, 2011 at 5:02 pm #

    In case Corsi is reading this, I want to point out that this is not intended to be a factual statement, but…

    I think we should continue to call ourselves whatever James A. Johnson tells us to call ourselves.

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    Lucas D. Smith August 16, 2011 at 6:16 pm #

    Dr Conspiracy,

    Either one of two things is going on with you writings here on your blog:

    1. You are losing touch with reality.

    2. You have a man-crush on Jerome Corsi and are attempting to emulate his writing style.

    There are probably enough paid Obots to outnumber Birthers 2 to 1.

    Here are few names:

    1. clarity023 – been posting, sometime round the clock, since 2009 on my first youtube video (now nearly 16,000 comments deep!!!)

    2. Mystylplx – been posting, sometime round the clock, since 2009 on my first youtube video (now nearly 16,000 comments deep!!!). Also a NOTORIOUS internet data scrubber. One example (of many): spent years, literally years, attempting to scrub Wikipedia of data such as the date format by country and also the color-coded map of date format by county. The map was not easy to scrub and it took 2009 and all of 2010 to bring down. Until it was finally brought down it listed Kenya as using both DD/MM/YYYY and MM/DD/YYYY.

    3. MrSuperGullible – Notorious Obot that changed names so many time (and always let you now that he/she did) that I’ve lost count of all their names.

    4. Great Kim aka Mik Tearg – Relentless Obot that literally stalks my every move online. Pops up anywhere and everywhere that I have ever been online. Often posts lengthy and very detailed comments that go over the heads of other more mundane Obots that don’t bother with labor intensive research. Has more than once offered me deals the come over the dark side and and write book with her/him.

    The list goes on and on.

    Btw, Doc, your blog reports in which you attempt to psychoanalyze birther and conservatives and put them in boxes are about as accurate as Corsi’s thoughts on Barack Obama Senior’s love and sex life based on old photographs. I hope that you aren’t going off the deep end like Corsi. I fear that you’ll lose some of your Obot audience if you keep up the psychology plays.

    Good night.

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    jayHG August 16, 2011 at 6:34 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: Dr Conspiracy,Either one of two things is going on with you writings here on your blog:1. You are losing touch with reality.2. You have a man-crush on Jerome Corsi and are attempting to emulate his writing style.There are probably enough paid Obots to outnumber Birthers 2 to 1.Here are few names:1. clarity023 – been posting, sometime round the clock, since 2009 on my first youtube video (now nearly 16,000 comments deep!!!)2. Mystylplx – been posting, sometime round the clock, since 2009 on my first youtube video (now nearly 16,000 comments deep!!!). Also a NOTORIOUS internet data scrubber. One example (of many): spent years, literally years, attempting to scrub Wikipedia of data such as the date format by country and also the color-coded map of date format by county. The map was not easy to scrub and it took 2009 and all of 2010 to bring down. Until it was finally brought down it listed Kenya as using both DD/MM/YYYY and MM/DD/YYYY.3. MrSuperGullible – Notorious Obot that changed names so many time (and always let you now that he/she did) that I’ve lost count of all their names.4. Great Kim aka Mik Tearg – Relentless Obot that literally stalks my every move online. Pops up anywhere and everywhere that I have ever been online. Often posts lengthy and very detailed comments that go over the heads of other more mundane Obots that don’t bother with labor intensive research. Has more than once offered me deals the come over the dark side and and write book with her/him.The list goes on and on.Btw, Doc, your blog reports in which you attempt to psychoanalyze birther and conservatives and put them in boxes are about as accurate as Corsi’s thoughts on Barack Obama Senior’s love and sex life based on old photographs. I hope that you aren’t going off the deep end like Corsi. I fear that you’ll lose some of your Obot audience if you keep up the psychology plays.Good night.

    God you’re ignorant…………

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    Daniel August 16, 2011 at 6:45 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith: are about as accurate as Corsi’s thoughts on Barack Obama Senior’s love and sex life based on old photographs. I hope that you aren’t going off the deep end like Corsi.

    Don’t you just love it when birthers hate on each other lol

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    aarrgghh August 16, 2011 at 6:46 pm #

    hmm … i’m sure there’s a demographic out there that doesn’t outnumber birfers, but i’m gonna need some help here …

    Lucas D. Smith:
    There are probably enough paid Obots to outnumber Birthers 2 to 1.

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    Sef August 16, 2011 at 7:10 pm #

    aarrgghh:
    hmm … i’m sure there’s a demographic out there that doesn’t outnumber birfers, but i’m gonna need some help here …

    How about living Civil War veterans?

  23. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy August 16, 2011 at 7:55 pm #

    I think it’s just that I am waxing more philosophical in my retirement.

    You give some examples of prolific anti-birther writers, none of whom I am familiar with. What you haven’t shown is that they are “paid.” I personally don’t know of any anti-birther writer paid by Obama, or even of one rumored among anti-birthers as paid for opposing birthers.

    On the other hand, Jerome Corsi is certainly and obviously paid for being a birther.

    Lucas D. Smith: Either one of two things is going on with you writings here on your blog:

    1. You are losing touch with reality.

    2. You have a man-crush on Jerome Corsi and are attempting to emulate his writing style.

    There are probably enough paid Obots to outnumber Birthers 2 to 1.

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    Daniel August 16, 2011 at 8:00 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: What you haven’t shown is that they are “paid.” I personally don’t know of any anti-birther writer paid by Obama, or even of one rumored among anti-birthers as paid for opposing birthers.

    I’m not paid…. but I’m willing to be, if such an opportunity should arise 😉

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    Northland10 August 16, 2011 at 8:18 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I personally don’t know of any anti-birther writer paid by Obama, or even of one rumored among anti-birthers as paid for opposing birthers.

    I think their confirmation bias appears also in viewing anti-birthers as paid obots. As their bias will not allow any opposing facts (thus the use of irrefutable and “obots cannot accept the obvious truth”), it leaves them with having to assume there is a nefarious reason why someone would oppose their “truth.” They cannot comprehend why somebody would defend the eligibility of the President, especially to the point of blogging on a regular basis, so they assume they have to be paid. That is the only thing that makes sense in their mind.

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    Randy August 16, 2011 at 10:05 pm #

    JTX, O Rly, long time, how are the flying monkeys doing?
    I prefer OBOT, i did’t like it at first but it kinda grows on one. Sane is good but it implies that the other side is insane which would be a medical problem, whereas willful ignorance is just kinda evil.

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    Benji Franklin August 17, 2011 at 1:50 am #

    Hey, Doc! Here’s another apparently ill-considered definition of “Natural Born Citizen” from Mario Apuzzo.

    On the 14th of August, he wrote an essay entitled, “Jedi Pauly: The False Flag Obot”

    In the course of reading that essay, I noted he stated about the U.S. Native-born child of an alien:”Hence, the child would not be born fully and completely under the allegiance and jurisdiction of the United States which disqualifies the child from being a “natural born Citizen,” for the meaning of a “natural born Citizen” includes all those who are born with no foreign allegiance and excludes all those who are.

    But a poster named PhoxarRed who posts anti-birther stuff regularly on WND’s Eligibility
    forum, pointed out an ironic consequence of that NBC formula a while back.

    By Apuzzo’s above definition, if two stateless aliens illegally entered the United States
    and had a child here, their child would be, even by Apuzzo’s formula, a “natural Born Citizen”, because it would be native born in the United States, with no foreign allegiance.

    Of course, the fourteenth Amendment, by itself would make that same native born child a
    Natural Born Citizen also.

    Benji Franklin

  28. avatar
    Lupin August 17, 2011 at 2:43 am #

    I would very much like to be paid to hurl insults at birthers. Where does one apply?

    PS: A freebie. Is it me or are Beagle Boy Lucas’ posts even more cretinous than usual?

    PPS: For the unenlightened:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beagle_Boys

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    Northland10 August 17, 2011 at 7:08 am #

    Benji Franklin: On the 14th of August, he wrote an essay entitled, “Jedi Pauly: The False Flag Obot”

    Jedi Pauly is a covert Obot? What a wild world this birthers hath sprung.

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    The Magic M August 17, 2011 at 7:17 am #

    I like the appropriation of “Obot”, kinda like the way other derisive terms have been appropriated by their targets of derision – like the n-word, or b*tch.

    And since birthers have a fixation with “outing” their debunkers as “Obots”, I spare them the effort, e.g. when posting on WND, by making clear I’m an “Obot” right away. Spoils the fun for them, I guess. 😉

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    Scientist August 17, 2011 at 7:57 am #

    Benji Franklin: Hey, Doc! Here’s another apparently ill-considered definition of “Natural Born Citizen” from Mario Apuzzo

    Apuzzo very likely fails to meet his own definitiion of natural born ciitzen. His parents immigrated from Italy and naturalized before he was born. However, unless they actually went to the Italian consulate and renounced their citizenship,which they almost certainly did not, they remained Italian citizens. Mario would thus have been born a dual US/Italian citizen. Mario’s chilldren might have dual nationality as well.

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    Dr. Conspiracy August 17, 2011 at 8:49 am #

    I appreciate this reasoning and embracing a derogatory term can defuse it. This is the approach that I’ve taken up until now. However with the WorldNetDaily fantasy article about James A. Johnson and the paid Obot army, I personally have pretty much stopped using the term.

    The Magic M: I like the appropriation of “Obot”, kinda like the way other derisive terms have been appropriated by their targets of derision – like the n-word, or b*tch.

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    ellen August 17, 2011 at 4:56 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith claims to have gone to Kenya and come back with “birth certificate” for Obama from Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith never even proved that he, Lucas D. Smith, had gone to Kenya.

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    Daniel August 17, 2011 at 5:01 pm #

    ellen:
    Lucas D. Smith claims to have gone to Kenya and come back with“birth certificate” for Obama from Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith never even proved that he, Lucas D. Smith, had gone to Kenya.

    I’d like to believe somethng Laucas says, really I would…. but there’s that whole convicted forger thing hanging over his head.

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    Stanislaw August 17, 2011 at 6:44 pm #

    Daniel: I’d like to believe somethng Laucas says, really I would…. but there’s that whole convicted forger thing hanging over his head.

    Crimes of moral turpitude tend to have that effect on people.

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    Loren August 18, 2011 at 2:33 pm #

    Heh. A FreeRepublic poster has suggested her own definitions:

    anti-birther: one who believes Obama and take his word on anything that can’t be factually disproved thirteen ways from Sunday. They revel in every obstacle that stands between American citizens and Obama’s records, and can’t quite conceal their gloat over any and all technical legalities, however inane and misguided, that thwart efforts to examine Obama’s concealed past/original records.

    birther: one who grasps the depth and pathological breadth of Obama’s dishonesty and who wishes to get past his self-constructed, self-serving Malignantly Narcissist ‘history’ and examine the original records firsthand.

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    J.Potter August 18, 2011 at 5:46 pm #

    Well, that sounds about right for a birther perspective! Did she volunteer to subject herself (and by extension everyone else) to the same standard?

    Loren:
    Heh.A FreeRepublic poster has suggested her own definitions:

    anti-birther: one who believes Obama and take his word on anything that can’t be factually disproved thirteen ways from Sunday. They revel in every obstacle that stands between American citizens and Obama’s records, and can’t quite conceal their gloat over any and all technical legalities, however inane and misguided, that thwart efforts to examine Obama’s concealed past/original records.


    birther: one who grasps the depth and pathological breadth of Obama’s dishonesty and who wishes to get past his self-constructed, self-serving Malignantly Narcissist ‘history’ and examine the original records firsthand.

  38. avatar
    Patrick McKinnion August 18, 2011 at 6:07 pm #

    I use “debunker” myself

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    Paper August 20, 2011 at 12:35 pm #

    Debunker is good. Better than anti.

    Debunking is what you actually are doing. Especially given your overall interest in conspiracy thinking.

    Other than that, for everybody else, average citizen would work just fine. There isn’t really a label for everybody else who hasn’t made it an avocation or hobby. The whole point of the Obot label is to make a target for birthers, and beyond, to focus their attacks. “Anti” just subscribes to that narrative.

    We don’t need no stinkin’ labels. So to speak.

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    Paper August 20, 2011 at 12:45 pm #

    I was going to point out that Mystylplx is obviously just the mischievous imp from another dimension, not an Obot at all. But of course I must first research my theory, and not just talk off the wall, you know, and make stuff up. And what do I find but this:

    http://mydd.com/2008/6/23/jerome-please-upgrade-mydd-interface

    Re: :)miss-tull-plix 😉
    Actually, that’s where the name came from. I was trying to remember the little guy’s name that used to annoy superman, Mxyzptlk. But I couldn’t remember how it was spelled, then decided I liked my version, mystylplx, better. At least it’s pronouncable, plus it’s unique so I can google it and everything that comes up is me!

    by Mystylplx 2008-06-23 06:15PM | 0 recs