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Birther convicted

Darren Wesley Huff was convicted today in Knoxville, Tennessee, on a federal firearms charge stemming from a planned protest against officials in Monroe County who refused to indict President Obama. Huff had pled guilty previously to state charges previously when he tried to force his way into the grand jury room.

The jury, after a day and a half of deliberation found Huff guilty of carrying a firearm in interstate commerce with the intent to use it in a civil disorder. He was acquitted of a second charge of carrying a firearm in relation to a felony. He faces up to 5 years in prison. Huff was taken into custody following the verdict.

Sentencing is scheduled for next February.

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57 Responses to Birther convicted

  1. avatar
    Obsolete October 25, 2011 at 8:23 pm #

    I wonder if John is upset and wants to spank the judge and jury over this.
    At the very least, I expect him to take back his claims of respecting juries’ decisions, and will probably come here to call them traitors when he stops crying enough to see his keyboard.

  2. avatar
    fitzfundfilcher October 25, 2011 at 8:26 pm #

    At least he is in a safe place (away from the rest of us).

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    john October 25, 2011 at 9:00 pm #

    You can be critical to a jury’s decision but I wasn’t on the jury. The jury heard the facts and have ruled Huff guilty. I am a little critical in the judge attempting to egg the jury on for a verdict when said they were hung. This might have resulted really in some unfair bullying of jurors for a guilty verdict. Unfortunately, Huff does not have the right actually have an insight in the jury deliberation. If I was Huff’s lawyer and yesterday got word that the jury was hung, I would have immediately screamed for a mistrial and would have fought for a hearing on why the judge should allow the jury to have more time.

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    Tomtech October 25, 2011 at 9:11 pm #

    Let me get this right.

    He was convicted of a felony for “carrying a firearm” with the intent to use it in a civil disorder but he wasn’t “carrying a firearm” in relation to a felony.

    Were the State charges a felony?

    Was the prosecutor inept? Did the judge inform the jury that you could do the former and somehow not the later? Was the jury brain dead?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    BTW: Was he remanded into custody pending sentencing?

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    Zixi of Ix October 25, 2011 at 9:32 pm #

    A few thoughts:

    1. This should serve as a reminder and a warning that one cannot go around making threats, especially when one is in possession of the firepower to attempt to make those threats real. There are a lot of birther bloggers and key board commandos out there who should heed this warning, but who probably won’t.

    2. The acquittal on the second charge may be nothing more than a sign that the jury reached a decision on the charge they could unanimously agree on, and agreed to acquit on the one they couldn’t. This isn’t uncommon.

    3. This will probably make Darren Huff a hero and a martyr in birther circles. Sane people should not fret, though. Just as soon as Huff or his family needs money, the birthers will abandon him the same way they unceremoniously dumped Terry Lakin. Heated rhetoric not withstanding, the vast majority of Birthers seem unwilling to put their money where their mouths are.

  6. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy October 25, 2011 at 10:17 pm #

    That was a separate incident.

    Tomtech: Were the State charges a felony?

  7. avatar
    Bob October 25, 2011 at 10:19 pm #

    Jerome Corsi’s first thought:

    “How can I use this to unload a few more books?”

  8. avatar
    Zixi of Ix October 25, 2011 at 11:21 pm #

    Bob:
    Jerome Corsi’s first thought:

    “How can I use this to unload a few more books?”

    Now, for a very limited time. we’ll will send you a copy of Jerome Corsi’s book when you donate to the Darren Huff Patriot Defense Fund.

    * For your $100.00, at the Lil’ Patriot level, you’ll get:
    – a copy of Jerome Corsi’s groundbreaking birther book, plus
    – Your name will be pooled with the names of other patriots and added to a card which will be mailed to Darren at his last know address after he is released from prison.
    ~
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    ~
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    ~
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    – Half-price admission to WND contributor Pat Boone’s Museum of Non-Threatening Popular Music (Tuesdays only)
    – An exclusive viewer’s guide to WND contributor Chuck Norris’ Walker, Texas Ranger TV series. You’ll get a behind-the-scene’s look at the making of Walker, Texas Ranger, including cast memories, and an exclusive recipe for Chuck Norris’ Conservative Crunch Ranger Bars (pdf format only).
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    Give today. Won’t you?

  9. avatar
    nbc October 25, 2011 at 11:44 pm #

    This might have resulted really in some unfair bullying of jurors for a guilty verdict

    Or a not guilty verdict for one of the charges? Jumping to conclusions again? I guess you never thought Darren had much of a case I assume?

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    nbc October 25, 2011 at 11:50 pm #

    Carl Swensson in the mean time appears to be sending messages to the P&E that certain witnesses lied on the stand.
    So far his ‘backseat driving’ has resulted in two people getting convicted… Well at least he has his successful attempts to get the message out otherwise such as the 14 attendees to the pitch fork rally or the 600 or so followers of his 11-11-11 march which he predicted would include a million people.

    Well at least we can thank Carl for dutifully recording Walt’s statements, making it so much easier on the prosecution to get a conviction.

    Don’t worry Carl, the prosecution is unlikely to followup on its nolle prosequi in your case…

    Sleep tight. I wonder how Walt and Darren feel about all this?

  11. avatar
    nbc October 25, 2011 at 11:55 pm #

    Was the prosecutor inept? Did the judge inform the jury that you could do the former and somehow not the later? Was the jury brain dead?

    The prosecutor was very effective. But let me help you understand. The first charge is the transportation across state lines of a firearm with the intent to use it in a civil disorder. The second one was the use of a firearm in a felony. Since Darren never got involved in a civil disorder, the latter charge was much harder, but the former appeared to be quite trivial given Darren’s public statements to his bank manager and to the police.

    Do you understand now ?

    As to Darren being held in custody, the max sentence is 5 years so the few months will likely not matter as he will spend the next 10-16 months in jail, according to my best attempt to understand the Federal Guidelines here.

    Perhaps Walt gets to testify in Darren’s sentencing hearing and guarantee a full 60 month verdict?…

  12. avatar
    brygenon October 26, 2011 at 12:06 am #

    john: If I was Huff’s lawyer and yesterday got word that the jury was hung, I would have immediately screamed for a mistrial and would have fought for a hearing on why the judge should allow the jury to have more time.

    And then when the real lawyers cite Allen v. United States, 164 U.S. 492 (1896), what would you do?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_charge

  13. avatar
    nbc October 26, 2011 at 12:41 am #

    And then when the real lawyers cite Allen v. United States, 164 U.S. 492 (1896), what would you do?

    Pull and Orly and file for reconsideration citing bias and ask for the recusal for any and all?

  14. avatar
    brygenon October 26, 2011 at 2:24 am #

    Our host notes: “He faces up to 5 years in prison.”

    Best of all, as a convicted felon he has lost his Second Amendment privilege forever. No more guns for Darren Wesley Huff.

  15. avatar
    misha October 26, 2011 at 4:27 am #

    Zixi of Ix: Now, for a very limited time. we’ll will send you a copy of Jerome Corsi’s book when you donate to the Darren Huff Patriot Defense Fund.

    Don’t forget: reduced admission to the Creation Museum, at all levels of membership.

    BTW, the story of the flood was lifted from “The Epic of Gilgamesh.” Hercules is the son of Zeus and a human woman.

  16. avatar
    misha October 26, 2011 at 4:28 am #

    brygenon: No more guns for Darren Wesley Huff.

    I am crying in my beer Zima.

  17. avatar
    misha October 26, 2011 at 4:30 am #

    john: If I was Huff’s lawyer and yesterday got word that the jury was hung, I would have immediately screamed for a mistrial and would have fought for a hearing on why the judge should allow the jury to have more time.

    So, have you called, or sent an e-mail?

  18. avatar
    misha October 26, 2011 at 4:48 am #

    misha: Don’t forget: reduced admission to the Creation Museum, at all levels of membership.

    Also, at the Screamin’ Eagle Patriot Level, you’ll get a guided tour of the Creation Museum, with Chuck Norris.

  19. avatar
    G October 26, 2011 at 5:58 am #

    misha: I am crying in my beer Zima.

    Does Zima still exist?

  20. avatar
    Majority Will October 26, 2011 at 9:59 am #

    Many birthers are obstinate.

    Let them have their convictions.

    It would be in the public interest.

    /snark

  21. avatar
    richCares October 26, 2011 at 11:54 am #

    “Also, at the Screamin’ Eagle Patriot Level, you’ll get a guided tour of the Creation Museum, with Chuck Norris”
    .
    Chuck Norris so old, he walked with dinosaurs! (on their way to WND)

  22. avatar
    Arthur October 26, 2011 at 12:48 pm #

    elmo:
    Ok, if you made this up nobody would believe you.

    Bizarre, isn’t it? Yet it explains the unusual bumpersticker some have reported seeing on Darren Huff’s truck: “I’ll give you my pink dildo when you pry it from my cold, dead anus!”

  23. avatar
    Majority Will October 26, 2011 at 1:21 pm #

    Arthur: Bizarre, isn’t it?Yet it explains the unusual bumpersticker some have reported seeing on Darren Huff’s truck:“I’ll give you my pink dildo when you pry it from my cold, dead anus!”

    LMAO ! ! ! ! 😀

    I’m sure his truck carried a well maintained, heavy duty tranny as well.

  24. avatar
    misha October 26, 2011 at 1:45 pm #

    Majority Will: I’m sure his truck carried a well maintained, heavy duty tranny as well.

    Ann Coulter was a passenger? Why am I not surprised?

  25. avatar
    Arthur October 26, 2011 at 1:50 pm #

    Majority Will:

    I’m sure his truck carried a well maintained, heavy duty tranny as well.

    Speaking of heavy duty trannies . . . I recommend the following only to the those with a stout constitution (and I’m not referring to the Bill of Rights). If you Google search “Tranny Hunter” and then enter one of the proffered sites, you will see photos of the real Tranny Hunter, a bald man who dresses in camouflage and sports a goatee. Needless to say, there is a striking similarity between this man and Darren Huff. In fact, many birthers claim, in the absence of a birth certificate, that they are the same person. Well, as Sally Hill asserts, “Appearances are everything, and that is what sticks.”

  26. avatar
    Majority Will October 26, 2011 at 2:41 pm #

    Arthur: Well, as Sally Hill asserts, “Appearances are everything, and that is what sticks.”

    Of course. Which is why he obviously understood the importance of good lubrication for a well maintained tranny.

  27. avatar
    Arthur October 26, 2011 at 3:06 pm #

    Majority Will: Of course. Which is why he obviously understood the importance of good lubrication for a well maintained tranny.

    Checkmate.

  28. avatar
    Joey October 26, 2011 at 3:18 pm #

    brygenon: And then when the real lawyers cite Allen v. United States, 164 U.S. 492 (1896), what would you do?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_charge

    From the American Judicature Society:
    “Deadlocked/hung juries”

    “A deadlocked or hung jury is one where the number of jurors who agree on a verdict falls short of what is required to render a verdict. (Note that since many criminal and civil cases involve more than one charge or claim, it is possible for a jury to be partially deadlocked in that it has the required number of votes to return a verdict on some charge or claim, but not on another.)

    When the judge is first informed that the jury is deadlocked, almost every jurisdiction has some version of an instruction the judge can give to encourage the jury to continue to deliberate. This is usually called an “Allen instruction” or “Allen charge” after a famous Supreme Court case from 1898 that authorized the instruction.”

  29. avatar
    Sef October 26, 2011 at 3:29 pm #

    Joey: a famous Supreme Court case from 1898 that authorized the instruction

    What other 1898 SCOTUS decisions are going to pop up? We had WKA and now Allen.

  30. avatar
    Sef October 26, 2011 at 3:31 pm #

    Majority Will: Of course. Which is why he obviously understood the importance of good lubrication for a well maintained tranny.

    Maybe Huff got confused and thought the vid was about tyranny,

  31. avatar
    Joey October 26, 2011 at 3:45 pm #

    Sef: What other 1898 SCOTUS decisions are going to pop up? We had WKA and now Allen.

    1898 was a bad year for birthers.

  32. avatar
    Majority Will October 26, 2011 at 3:59 pm #

    Sef: Maybe Huff got confused and thought the vid was about tyranny,

    Huff’s prison cellmate: “THAT’S the story you’re going with?”

  33. avatar
    Jim F October 26, 2011 at 6:16 pm #

    I can’t imagine that you are right about the dinosaurs and Chuck N. According to the right there never was any. After all, the world is only 6000 years old so how can you have something that lived 65 m years ago

  34. avatar
    Paul October 26, 2011 at 6:17 pm #

    brygenon:

    No more guns for Darren Wesley Huff.

    Well…. not LEGALLY anyway

  35. avatar
    Paul October 26, 2011 at 6:20 pm #

    elmo:
    Ok, if you made this up nobody would believe you.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/65129152/U-S-A-v-DARREN-HUFF-115-3-Exhibit-3-6-11-2010-Receipt-for-Returned-Property-Gov-uscourts-tned-57618-115-3

    I’m gonna bet that’s as real as Obama’s forged LFBC!!!!! 😉

  36. avatar
    Arthur October 26, 2011 at 7:23 pm #

    Jim F:
    I can’t imagine that you are right about the dinosaurs and Chuck N. According to the right there never was any. After all, the world is only 6000 years old so how can you have something that lived 65 m years ago

    Jim:

    A lot of creationist now accept the existence of dinosaurs. They assert that modern humans and dinosaurs existed contemporaneously some 5,000 years ago, and that dinosaurs were most likely killed off during God’s genocidal flood as described in Genesis.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/arts/24crea.html?pagewanted=all

  37. avatar
    richCares October 26, 2011 at 10:42 pm #

    On the dinosaurs walking with man that Chuck Norris believes in, an interesting story from the creation museum, a little girl saw the display of children playing with dinosaurs and asked “why don’t the dinosaurs eat the kids?” the answer was “before the fall there was no death and all creatures were vegetarians”. The little girl said “But there were no children till after the fall”, the security crew then wisked the girl away.
    .
    there is too much evidence on dinosaurs so they creationists added them to the fairy tale, they claim they have human footprints along side dinosaur footprints (fake but they still quote it, kinda like birthers)

  38. avatar
    John Reilly October 27, 2011 at 12:52 am #

    Now showing dinosaurs alongside humans, that would be scrubbing history. Is Mario or Leo challenging that?

  39. avatar
    Keith October 27, 2011 at 12:56 am #

    richCares: they claim they have human footprints along side dinosaur footprints (fake but they still quote it, kinda like birthers)

    Not fake. Just wrong.

    CC101: Paluxy River footprints

  40. avatar
    Daniel October 27, 2011 at 1:04 am #

    john: If I was Huff’s lawyer and yesterday got word that the jury was hung, I would have immediately screamed for a mistrial and would have fought for a hearing on why the judge should allow the jury to have more time.

    Then it’s fortunate for Huff that you weren’t his lawyer. Stupid antics like that don’t go over well with a judge who obviously knows his job much, much better than you do.

  41. avatar
    John Reilly October 27, 2011 at 1:09 am #

    John (the other John, not me) seems to think that if a mistrial was declared Mr. Huff would go free. It doesn’t work that way. The prosecutor gets to decide if he wants to try the defendant again. So all a mistrial would do is potentially get Mr. Huff a new trial, at which he might be convicted of both charges, rather than acquitted on one.

  42. avatar
    roadburner October 27, 2011 at 5:57 am #

    Zixi of Ix: For $10,000.00, at the Screamin’ Eagle Patriot Level,

    i would LOVE the birthers to use this one!

    they´d be sued by harley davidson within a week.

  43. avatar
    Majority Will October 27, 2011 at 7:38 am #

    John Reilly:
    John (the other John, not me) seems to think that if a mistrial was declared Mr. Huff would go free.It doesn’t work that way.The prosecutor gets to decide if he wants to try the defendant again.So all a mistrial would do is potentially get Mr. Huff a new trial, at which he might be convicted of both charges, rather than acquitted on one.

    Not in Birther World.

  44. avatar
    Dr. Bob October 27, 2011 at 3:48 pm #

    Majority Will:
    Many birthers are obstinate.

    Let them have their convictions.

    It would be in the public interest.

    /snark

    Is that supposed to be a haiku? Too few syllables in the first and third lines. But neat idea anyway.

  45. avatar
    Dr. Bob October 27, 2011 at 3:49 pm #

    Dr. Bob: Is that supposed to be a haiku? Too few syllables in the first and third lines. But neat idea anyway.

    I meant too MANY in the first and third lines. Still a neat idea.

  46. avatar
    Horus October 27, 2011 at 4:03 pm #

    john: If I was Huff’s lawyer and yesterday got word that the jury was hung, I would have immediately screamed for a mistrial and would have fought for a hearing on why the judge should allow the jury to have more time.

    You make it quite obvious that you do not know how the legal system works.
    EVERY Judge encourages juries to continue trying when they claim to be hung!
    Her actions were nothing out of the ordinary.

  47. avatar
    Horus October 27, 2011 at 4:09 pm #

    Majority Will: I’m sure his truck carried a well maintained, heavy duty tranny as well.

    I would never consider Coulter “well maintained”.

  48. avatar
    Majority Will October 27, 2011 at 4:13 pm #

    Dr. Bob: Is that supposed to be a haiku? Too few syllables in the first and third lines. But neat idea anyway.

    No, just a pun on convictions and sarcasm on birthers misuse of “public interest”.

    But your idea is good too.

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    Horus October 27, 2011 at 4:22 pm #

    Arthur: A lot of creationist now accept the existence of dinosaurs. They assert that modern humans and dinosaurs existed contemporaneously some 5,000 years ago, and that dinosaurs were most likely killed off during God’s genocidal flood as described in Genesis.

    I guess because Dinosaurs were too big to fit on the Ark?

  50. avatar
    Daniel October 27, 2011 at 4:51 pm #

    Horus: I guess because Dinosaurs were too big to fit on the Ark?

    No they were hunting unicorns and missed the boat

  51. avatar
    misha October 27, 2011 at 4:59 pm #

    Horus: I guess because Dinosaurs were too big to fit on the Ark?

    No, it’s because Noah did have an Add An Ark™:

    “Yes, this self-contained Add An Ark™ can hold hundreds of items, and be easily towed behind your main ark. It has a retail value of 100 shekels, and it’s yours if you can correctly guess which door to choose.”

    “I’ll guess door #2.”

    [gasps from the audience]

    “Oh, I’m sorry. It was behind door #3. But, as a consolation prize, you’ll get this life size stuffed, plush maniraptoran dinosaur. Thanks for being a contestant. Now, a word from our sponsor, Pharaoh pipe tobacco.”

  52. avatar
    misha October 27, 2011 at 5:01 pm #

    misha: No, it’s because Noah did have an Add An Ark™:

    Sorry, that should be “No, it’s because Noah did not have an Add An Ark™:”

  53. avatar
    Conspiracy Debunked October 27, 2011 at 7:19 pm #

    I would like to see Mr. Huff get convicted of both charges, he’s a danger to us all. To be honest, I think it’s time we all thought about laying down our arms, it works for the british and many other countries, why not lets all give up our guns.

  54. avatar
    Norbrook October 27, 2011 at 7:39 pm #

    I would like to see Mr. Huff get convicted of both charges

    Sorry, but you’re only getting one. The acquittal on the other charge means “over and done with.” It’s that pesky double jeopardy thing.

  55. avatar
    Bob J October 27, 2011 at 11:25 pm #

    Based on the contents of his returned personal effects, he really wanted a hung jury.

  56. avatar
    obsolete October 28, 2011 at 4:28 am #

    Conspiracy Debunked: I think it’s time we all thought about laying down our arms, it works for the british and many other countries, why not lets all give up our guns.

    No one is stopping you from giving up yours…
    😉