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Is Rick Santorum a natural born citizen?

Yes, Virginia. He was born in Virginia. Of course, the Birthers have other ideas.

As I understand the story Aldo Santorum was born in 1923 in Italy, and emigrated to the United States in 1930. Rick says that his father was a naturalized citizen (his mother is US born) when he entered this world in 1958, but so far Santorum hasn’t released the paperwork.

According to WorldNetDaily:

But Catherine Santorum, the former senator’s mother, told WND, “I was born in the country; I have my birth certificate, and I have the citizenship papers of my husband Aldo,” Rick Santorum’s father.

Well, we all know what birthers think of the veracity of mothers. But there is hope for Santorum and the birthers even if he stonewalls on the paperwork. In just 38 days, on April 2, the 1940 Census data will be released to the public. Maybe we can  find something.

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58 Responses to Is Rick Santorum a natural born citizen?

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    donna February 24, 2012 at 7:29 pm #

    according to what i have read (see below), in birtherstan, neither santorum nor i are natural born (and both of my parents were born here)

    in birtherstan, is santorum “natural born”?

    Note that if the Italian parent naturalized as a citizen of another country independently, and prior to reaching legal Italian adulthood (age 21 prior to March 10, 1975, and age 18 otherwise), then often that parent retained Italian citizenship and could still pass citizenship on to children.

    Also, a single, qualifying Italian parent (father only before January 1, 1948) is sufficient to pass on citizenship, even if the other Italian parent naturalized or otherwise became unable to pass on citizenship.

    Sometimes that qualifying parent is the “foreign” mother, because foreign women who married Italian men prior to April 27, 1983, automatically became Italian citizens and, in many cases, retained that citizenship even if their Italian husbands later naturalized.

    this is probably also true for corsi, apuzzo and donofrio

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    sactosintolerant February 24, 2012 at 9:14 pm #

    Would someone who was brought up by an Italian immigrant father have more or less allegiance to the US than someone NOT brought up by their Kenyan born father?

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    John Reilly February 24, 2012 at 9:31 pm #

    Soon it will be St. Patrick’s Day, and millions of Americans, including me, will reaffirm our foundness for the Emerald Isle, and wish again, over yet another Guiness, that some day the British Colonialists will be driven out of the North. Perhaps we can learn from our Kenyan friends how to do it.

    Oops, I’m sorry. That’s a anti-British colonialist world view, making me unsuiyted to be President.

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    Rowena February 24, 2012 at 9:45 pm #

    Congress has constitutional authority to pass laws regarding naturalization. Is the 14th Amendment a law?

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 24, 2012 at 10:13 pm #

    I charge a fee for consulting.

    Rowena: Congress has constitutional authority to pass laws regarding naturalization. Is the 14th Amendment a law?

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    John Reilly February 24, 2012 at 11:51 pm #

    Congress not only has the power to pass laws regarding naturalization, it can pass laws making people natural born citizens. To the extent there was ever a doubt, it made children of certain citizens abroad into natural born citizens.

    And then in 2008 the Senate unanimously confirmed the view that Senator McCain, born a year before the relevant law, was a natural born citizen. Even if the place he lived longest before being elected to Congress was the Hanoi Hilton.

    Senator Santorum is a natural born citizen. So is George Romney and Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindahl. The natural born ctizen clause is not a trick or a trap for the unwary. All we wanted to do was to make sure that some foreign born lord didn’t show up and buy the Presidency. Given how this campaign is going, we just want to make sure only Americans can buy their way into that office.

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    G February 24, 2012 at 11:55 pm #

    *sigh* Stop being so obviously obtuse.

    A Constitutional Amendment becomes part of the Constitution. *duh*

    The authority for Congress to pass naturalization laws does NOT require a Constitutional Amendment. So stop trying to disingenuously pretend that the 14th Amendment is anything other that what it is. You’ve already been given many detailed answers in these regards.

    No one is falling for your weak Concern Trolling tactics… your schtick is as transparent as it gets. So stop pretending to be stupid and asking questions you already should know the answer to…

    Rowena: Congress has constitutional authority to pass laws regarding naturalization. Is the 14th Amendment a law?

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    John Potter February 25, 2012 at 1:56 am #

    John Reilly: Given how this campaign is going, we just want to make sure only Americans can buy their way into that office.

    Indeed, let’s hear it for the separation of corporation and state. Will be hard to accomplish so long as coporations are people, my friend. ;)

    Since Cain got himself suspended, WND is currently supporting Gingrich, birthing against Romney and Santorum, and pretending Paul doesn’t exist, right? Typically taking the most supremely hypocritical position imaginable?

    Why not birf against Paul? Because that would break the rightwing media Ron Paul omerta. If they pretend hard enough, he’ll go away. It’s easier than explaining why they aren’t supporting the candidate that actually believes in the position they pay lip service to.

    If they decide to turn on Gingrich and starting birfin’ him as well, what will the story be? He was delivered on the moon in a secret NACA experiment back in the early 50s, and his moonshot is his only hope of getting back to his roots?

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    dunstvangeet February 25, 2012 at 3:05 am #

    What I don’t get about the Birthers…

    They say it’s about preventing foreign influence…

    However, let me give you two examples…

    1. A person is born on U.S. Soil to 2 citizen parents. That person, when he’s one-day old, goes overseas, and lives there. His Parents naturalize overseas, and he gets citizenship that way. One day before his 21st birthday, he returns to the United States, and spends the next 14 years there. He runs for the Presidency when he’s 35.

    2. A person is born on U.S. Soil to 2 foreigners. These foreigners naturalize one day after the person is born. They never leave the United States. He runs for the Presidency when he’s 35.

    Which one has more foreign influence? Isn’t requiring citizen parents an idiotic way of getting rid of foreign influence?

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    Rowena February 25, 2012 at 3:27 am #

    Article I, Section 8, Clause 4 of the Constitution empowers Congress to “establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization”

    What Article, Section, Clause of the Constitution empowers Congress to establish natural born citizens?

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    G February 25, 2012 at 3:54 am #

    None you fool. By definition, one is Born a citizen when they are Natural Born. It does NOT require an act of Congress (i.e. “naturalization”) to convey that citizenship upon them. It comes with birth. Hence why NBC citizens do NOT have papers declaring or establishing their citizenship. It comes automatically with birth. *DUH*

    Again, stop being so obviously and intentionally obtuse.

    Rowena: Article I, Section 8, Clause 4 of the Constitution empowers Congress to “establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization”What Article, Section, Clause of the Constitution empowers Congress to establish natural born citizens?

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    Lupin February 25, 2012 at 3:58 am #

    A while ago, I pointed out in a thread (I think it was when the Meretricious One was still among us) that the consequences of their insane legal theories would be to disenfranchise a huge number of American citizens, and not just the “brown kind” they seem to be bothered about.

    Mario always avoided answering me on that point, but there we are.

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    Rowena February 25, 2012 at 5:00 am #

    What kind of law is a natural born citizen? What kind of law is the 14th Amendment? What kind of law made WKA a naturalized citizen? Is a transient alien student an immigrant? What law states a transient alien student is a permanent resident?

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    G February 25, 2012 at 5:16 am #

    Look, you’ve pretty much asked all of these questions over and over again and have been given answers. There is a point where someone is not worth responding to, because they fail to listen to anything they are told. You are just being obtuse and annoying for the mere sake of doing so.

    So look up the answers yourself. You obviously don’t listen to anything you’ve been told here and you don’t know how to carry on a proper dialogue, so why should we pay any more attention to your feigned stupidity?

    Rowena: What kind of law is a natural born citizen? What kind of law is the 14th Amendment? What kind of law made WKA a naturalized citizen? Is a transient alien student an immigrant? What law states a transient alien student is a permanent resident?

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    Keith February 25, 2012 at 6:42 am #

    Heavy sigh.

    Rowena:
    What kind of law is a natural born citizen?

    In the United States, Common Law, jus soli.

    What kind of law is the 14th Amendment?

    It is part of the Constitution, the Fundamental Legal Structure for the United States of America.

    What kind of law made WKA a naturalized citizen?

    No “kind law made WKA a naturalized citizen”. WKA was not natural-ized he was natural-born

    Is a transient alien student an immigrant?

    Maybe, maybe not. Who cares?

    What law states a transient alien student is a permanent resident?

    Some state laws, maybe. Who cares?

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    misha February 25, 2012 at 7:44 am #

    Rowena:
    What kind of law is a natural born citizen? What kind of law is the 14th Amendment? What kind of law made WKA a naturalized citizen? Is a transient alien student an immigrant? What law states a transient alien student is a permanent resident?

    “What kind of law is a natural born citizen?” A notarized statement from the obstetrician that no spinal, or other anesthetic was used. Otherwise, no dice.

    “What kind of law is the 14th Amendment?” It’s not a law; it’s in our Constitution. It’s a statute.

    “What kind of law made WKA a naturalized citizen?” None. The Constitution did.

    “Is a transient alien student an immigrant?” Ask an immigration lawyer.

    “What law states a transient alien student is a permanent resident?” Ask an immigration lawyer.

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    ballantine February 25, 2012 at 8:19 am #

    Rowena:
    What kind of law is a natural born citizen? What kind of law is the 14th Amendment? What kind of law made WKA a naturalized citizen? Is a transient alien student an immigrant? What law states a transient alien student is a permanent resident?

    You just show your studipity by saying WKA was naturalized, as no one ever said such a thing except idiots like Apuzzo. It has been pointd out to you what such term means, but that means nothing to you and your talking points.

    If you were able to understand English, you might know that the Court said the 14th Amendment and the NBC clause mean the same thing and hence WKA qualifies under both. No authority has ever said one needs to be a permanent resident. Such has been pointed out to you. A typical birther, you make no attempt to support your assertions. You just repeat them over and over. Since you obviously don’t know how to read case law, why to you pretend to on the internet?

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    misha February 25, 2012 at 8:30 am #

    Rowena: What kind of law is a natural born citizen?

    Uniform Commercial Code: If someone ties his dog to the roof of his car, for 12 hours, they lose their citizenship permanently. Don’t believe me? Ask any lawyer, or any dog.

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    Arthur February 25, 2012 at 8:44 am #

    Rowena: What kind of law is a natural born citizen? What kind of law is the 14th Amendment? Why do birds suddenly appear, every time you are near?

    FIFY

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    ballantine February 25, 2012 at 9:10 am #

    Is it really possible an adult doesn’t understand that Congess’ ability to pass an amendment is not limited to its enumerated powers? Is it really possible that anyone cannot see that the Amendment itself ditinguishes between citizens by birth and those naturalized? Are these people really that stupid or just putting us on?

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    donna February 25, 2012 at 9:36 am #

    TWICE the Congressional Research Service has issued a report entitled

    CRS Report for Congress

    Prepared for Members and Committees of Congress

    Qualifications for President and the “NaturalBorn” Citizenship Eligibility Requirement

    the most recent was on 11/14/2011

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/74176180/Qualifications-for-President-and-the-%E2%80%9CNatural-Born%E2%80%9D-Citizenship-Eligibility-Requirement

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    misha February 25, 2012 at 2:47 pm #

    Rowena: What kind of law is a natural born citizen? What kind of law is the 14th Amendment? Why do birds suddenly appear, every time you are near?

    “Why do birds suddenly appear, every time you are near?”

    An excellent question, and explained in detail:
    http://www.hulu.com/watch/3517/saturday-night-live-uncle-jemimas-pure-mash-liqour

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 25, 2012 at 2:56 pm #

    o/~Don’t know why there’s no sun up in the sky. It’s the Birthers. o/~

    misha: “Why do birds suddenly appear, every time you are near?”

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    Don February 25, 2012 at 6:30 pm #

    But then it really dosen’t matter where Santorum’s father was born. His father could have been Kenyan. And then some uninformed court in Indiana would have ruled that he was a NBC anyway.

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    Arthur February 25, 2012 at 7:05 pm #

    Don: But then it really dosen’t matter where Santorum’s father was born. His father could have been Kenyan. And then some uninformed court in Indiana would have ruled that he was a NBC anyway.

    My goodness, I think Don has actually learned something!

  26. avatar
    Don February 25, 2012 at 7:20 pm #

    Sure enough. The courts are rigged and Obama is a fraud.

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 25, 2012 at 7:21 pm #

    The birthers are rigged and you are a fraud.

    Don: Sure enough. The courts are rigged and Obama is a fraud.

  28. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 25, 2012 at 7:27 pm #

    In my mind, a remark like this is an example of the result of staying inside the birther echo chamber too much. Listening to nothing but other birthers reinforcing irresponsible comments like this make then think that the outside world will accept it too. They have no clue how barking insane they sound to us normal folk.

    Don: But then it really dosen’t [sic] matter where Santorum’s father was born. His father could have been Kenyan. And then some uninformed court in Indiana would have ruled that he was a NBC anyway.

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    G February 25, 2012 at 7:28 pm #

    Awwww… poor widdle Birther baby having a tantrum… must be hard having another one of your silly delusions go down in flames to an empty table…AGAIN!

    Don: Sure enough. The courts are rigged and Obama is a fraud.

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    Don February 25, 2012 at 7:49 pm #

    Typical OBOT responses. Resort to name calling. Have a nice day.

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    Northland10 February 25, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    In my mind, a remark like this is an example of the result of staying inside the birther echo chamber too much. Listening to nothing but other birthers reinforcing irresponsible comments like this make then think that the outside world will accept it too. They have no clue how barking insane they sound to us normal folk.

    Don:
    Typical OBOT responses.Resort to name calling.Have a nice day.

    Of course, there is absolutely no name calling in the birther echo chamber. All of there comments are respectful to those who disagree (which are few and far between, since they are usually moderated out).

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    Arthur February 25, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

    Don: Typical OBOT responses. Resort to name calling. Have a nice day.

    Wait Don, don’t go! G. has something he wants to tell you. G?

    G: If you don’t want to be ridiculed, don’t be ridiculous.

  33. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy February 25, 2012 at 8:49 pm #

    Typical Birther Troll response. At the first sign of attack, declare victory and run away.

    Don:
    Typical OBOT responses.Resort to name calling.Have a nice day.

  34. avatar
    Don February 25, 2012 at 8:52 pm #

    Didn’t want to hurt any ones feelings…..but sometimes I can’t help myself. Just like teasing puppies.

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    Arthur February 25, 2012 at 9:16 pm #

    Don: Just like teasing puppies.

    Roof! Roof!
    Someone get Romney’s dog of the station wagon.

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    misha February 25, 2012 at 9:39 pm #

    “Is Rick Santorum a natural born citizen?” Only if he uses Classico sauces.

    Arthur: Roof! Roof! Someone get Romney’s dog of the station wagon.

    A Chevrolet station wagon. I’d buy a car from my father’s company, even if I had to buy a Gremlin.

    See here: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/02/birther-summit-cancelled-glory-hound-blamed/#comment-158469

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    Arthur February 25, 2012 at 9:44 pm #

    Hey Misha, I loved seeing that Tracy Morgan/Uncle Jemimah clip from SNL. In return, here’s something I chanced upon. I think you’ll get a kick out of it. Those with no sense of humor (all fundamentalists and most birthers) don’t look.

    http://allbleedingstops.blogspot.com/2012/02/sweet-breakdancing-jesus.html

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    jayhg February 25, 2012 at 10:09 pm #

    G: *sigh* Stop being so obviously obtuse.A Constitutional Amendment becomes part of the Constitution. *duh* The authority for Congress to pass naturalization laws does NOT require a Constitutional Amendment. So stop trying to disingenuously pretend that the 14th Amendment is anything other that what it is. You’ve already been given many detailed answers in these regards. No one is falling for your weak Concern Trolling tactics… your schtick is as transparent as it gets. So stop pretending to be stupid and asking questions you already should know the answer to…

    Rowena isn’t pretending to be stupid…..

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    jayhg February 25, 2012 at 10:10 pm #

    Rowena: What kind of law is a natural born citizen? What kind of law is the 14th Amendment? What kind of law made WKA a naturalized citizen? Is a transient alien student an immigrant? What law states a transient alien student is a permanent resident?

    stop pretending to be stupid…………

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    Arthur February 25, 2012 at 10:39 pm #

    jayhg: Rowena isn’t pretending to be stupid…..

    jayhg: stop pretending to be stupid…………

    Just stop.

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    carlos February 26, 2012 at 7:03 pm #

    Congress has constitutional authority to pass laws regarding naturalization. Is the 14th Amendment a law?

    Yes. The 14th Amendment is law. It’s law that supercedes any law Congress may pass. Constitutional amendments are not enacted by Congress. Statutes are. The Constitution specifies that Congress is empowered to enact statutes regarding naturalization. Since the earliest days, this has been construed to include citizenship at birth (natural born citizenship). The Supreme Court has never ruled otherwise.

    There is nothing in the Constitution which says Congress cannot enact statutes extending citizenship at birth.

    But of course, that has no bearing at all on the eligibility of the President since he is native born.

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    JR February 27, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

    Sure, Rick Santorum is a natural born citizen and probably more so than Barrack Obama.

    I’m no birther, but I still have my doubts about how factual Barrack Obama’s life has been reported, before he was president. There also seems to quite a few holes in the early years of Barrack Obama.

    Why did he resist for so long about supplying his birth certificate? Why has he not shown his college transcripts?

    I have a lot of questions about Obama, like others do and have asked, but gotten no response.

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    misha February 27, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    JR: Sure, Rick Santorum is a natural born citizen and probably more so than Barrack Obama…Why did he resist for so long about supplying his birth certificate? Why has he not shown his college transcripts?…I have a lot of questions about Obama, like others do and have asked, but gotten no response.

    See this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_Slave_Act_of_1850

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 27, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    I think you would be surprised how many of those “holes” are filled in if you go looking instead of reading web sites that just say that there are holes.

    As for why he took so long to release his long-form birth certificate, you only need to look at what the birthers did with it when he did, and I would remind you that he already released the standard Hawaiian birth certificate way back in June of 2008.

    As for college records, when did you ever seen a President release college records?

    I think you would be better served by lookiing at the mountain of evidence that is there, rather than speculating on what is not.
    .

    JR: I’m no birther, but I still have my doubts about how factual Barrack Obama’s life has been reported, before he was president. There also seems to quite a few holes in the early years of Barrack Obama.

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    Ballantine February 27, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    Where is Santorum’s birth certificate, his college transcripts, his kindergarden records? Obama has his birth certificate on the official Hawaii web site with the Governor stating it has been certifired. He has had officials from 2 administrations vouching for it. He has provided more prove of his birth than any candidate in history. Where is your call for Santorum and all the other candidates to provide the same information? You and your ilk are not fooling anyone by demanding more and more information with respect to only a single candidate.

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    izzybella February 27, 2012 at 3:03 pm #

    JR: Sure, Rick Santorum is a natural born citizen and probably more so than Barrack Obama.I’m no birther, but I still have my doubts about how factual Barrack Obama’s life has been reported, before he was president. There also seems to quite a few holes in the early years of Barrack Obama.Why did he resist for so long about supplying his birth certificate? Why has he not shown his college transcripts?I have a lot of questions about Obama, like others do and have asked, but gotten no response.

    Where is his long form birth certificate backed up by the state in which he was born??? Or any birth certificate for that matter? Why has he not shown his college transcripts?

    How can someone be “more” of natural born citizen than someone else?

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    Scientist February 27, 2012 at 3:36 pm #

    JR: I have a lot of questions about Obama, like others do and have asked, but gotten no response.

    Are you seriously proposing that after he has been in office 3+ years, you are unable to judge whether Obama should be re-elected or not, based upon his record. Suppose, for the sake of argument, you consider him to have done a very good job so far. Are you saying that a D average in college would be more important than what he did in 3 years as President? On the other hand, suppose you consider him to have done a lousy job in office. Would straight As at Columbia change your mind?

    Your request might have made some sense (not much) in 2008. It really makes none in 2012.

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    Paper February 27, 2012 at 3:45 pm #

    He was born twice?

    izzybella: How can someone be “more” of natural born citizen than someone else?

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 27, 2012 at 3:50 pm #

    “I’m not a birther, but” means “I am a birther and.”

    Scientist: Your request might have made some sense (not much) in 2008. It really makes none in 2012.

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    Dr. Conspiracy February 27, 2012 at 3:54 pm #

    There are 1,900 articles on this web site. If you still have any questions after reading them, just ask, but I would suspect that if you don’t find it here, you probably won’t find it.

    It is not virtuous to ask other people to answer your questions that can be answered with a little effort on your own part. It is also silly to ask in this forum why Obama has or hasn’t done something. President Obama doesn’t participate in this forum and there is no reason any one here should be expected to know why he does things.

    It looks more like a transparent attempt on your part to start an argument.

    JR: I have a lot of questions about Obama, like others do and have asked, but gotten no response.

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    gorefan February 27, 2012 at 3:59 pm #

    JR: Why did he resist for so long about supplying his birth certificate? Why has he not shown his college transcripts?

    He didn’t resist, he posted it in June, 2008.

    College transcripts have never been released by any candidate or President, although some have been leaked to the press. And tcollege scripts will not show place of birth or citizenship just grades.

    Hope that answers some of your questions.

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    G February 27, 2012 at 4:07 pm #

    BINGO!

    It always comes across as the Birther version of “Dear Penthouse Letters…”

    Dr. Conspiracy: “I’m not a birther, but” means “I am a birther and.”

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    G February 27, 2012 at 4:12 pm #

    More importantly, he’s the first candidate who has ever come forward and provided *any* form of Birth Certificate as part of his campaign. He was also the only one to do so during the 2008 Presidential Election cycle.

    So in other words, Obama was always objectively MORE open and forthcoming with his background and history than any opponent who has run against him…

    ….Yet the demands for that same type of background info on any of his former and current potential opponents remains… *crickets*…

    gorefan: He didn’t resist, he posted it in June, 2008.

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    JPotter February 27, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: “I’m not a birther, but” means “I am a birther and.”

    Compare to the classic, “I am not a racist, I mean, I have black friends, and all, but …”

    “I am not a birther, I mean, I have birther thoughts and all, but …. “

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    Sef February 27, 2012 at 5:05 pm #

    carlos: The Supreme Court has never ruled otherwise.

    Don’t forget Rogers v. Bellei.

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    Sef February 27, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

    “My apologies to all the electrons wasted in publishing this article.”

    The electrons don’t mind a bit. It’s their job. The holes on the other hand …

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    Rickey February 28, 2012 at 1:51 pm #

    JR:

    Why did he resist for so long about supplying his birth certificate? Why has he not shown his college transcripts?

    I have a lot of questions about Obama, like others do and have asked, but gotten no response.

    Why didn’t John McCain release his birth certificate or his Annapolis transcripts? What was he hiding? Where is Romney’s birth certificate? Where are Romney’s college transcripts?

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    misha February 28, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    JR: I have a lot of questions about Obama, like others do and have asked, but gotten no response.

    Rickey: Where is Romney’s birth certificate? Where are Romney’s college transcripts?

    I think that’s a valid question, since George Romney was born in Mexico, to a father who kept concubines was a polygamist. I’d like to know the circumstances around Willard Mitt Romney’s actual parentage. And why has Romney tried to conceal that his first name is actually Willard? Is it because of all those rats? Like this: http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2009/06/famous-willards.html

    I also want to know exactly what happened to Seamus. C’mon JR. Let’s hear from you.