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Arpaio: Conspiracy bigger than Watergate

The Arizona Republic quotes Sheriff Joe Arpaio offering a conspiracy-based explanation why the media has universally panned the investigation by a group of birthers who used his office to publicize their ideas:

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio believes that a media conspiracy “bigger than Watergate” is purposefully downplaying his volunteer posse’s investigation of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate.

Arpaio went on to say that he believes that the experts used by his volunteers are correct (although to date the Sheriff has not disclosed who these co-called experts are). The sheriff adds this remarkable bit of double-talk:

You know there’s corruption everywhere. I’m not saying they’re corrupt. I’m not saying they’re lying. But we have to look into it.

The next step? A definite maybe that Arpaio will turn over the results of his investigation to officials in Hawaii or Washington (is this an admission that he never had jurisdiction?) and the ability to say “they refused to investigate” when they refuse to investigate.

The Arizona Republic seems to take a skeptical view of Sheriff Arpaio’s motives. Arpaio wonders why the media focus on his political motives instead of his evidence. Well frankly, his political motivations are easier to understand.

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93 Responses to Arpaio: Conspiracy bigger than Watergate

  1. avatar
    Lupin March 19, 2012 at 9:01 am #

    The Arpaio who’s wanted in Mexico:
    http://www.artotyrite.org/arpaio.jpg

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    Paul Pieniezny March 19, 2012 at 9:42 am #

    “Bigger than Watergate”. He had better be careful, Orly can claim copyright on that one.

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    richCares March 19, 2012 at 10:32 am #

    what would really be fun is someone introduces Joe’s evidence in court, the cross exam would be better than Rowan & Martin. Orly included the video of Joe’s silly show in her Mississippi challenge case. Too bad that won’t see the light of day.

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    CarlOrcas March 19, 2012 at 10:42 am #

    Doc,

    This piece is written by E.J. Montini, a columnist at the Republic for more than 25 years, and a thorn in Arpaio’s side since he was first elected.

    He does a great job of poking holes in Arpaio’s nonsense and he is often out front of the news side on Arpaio.

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    Sef March 19, 2012 at 10:46 am #

    If Sheriff Joe does give this “evidence” to HI does he have to attest to its validity under penalty of perjury? That would be sooooo much fun!

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    Tarrant March 19, 2012 at 11:17 am #

    Orly or one of the other birthers will at some point get the report admitted into evidence somewhere where there isn’t an empty chair at the other side of the aisle, and they will demand to be able to cross-examine.

    Then Orly will subpoena Sheriff Joe and Mike Zullo, and they will refuse to show, because the last thing they want is to defend that POS under oath.

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    JPotter March 19, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    I never got a response to the burn down of Al H’s attempts to draw parallels to Watergate by insisting that the Washington Times “is covering” this story more in-depth than any other media outlet. Mr. Dinan singular column has received more play, apparently thanks to ORYR, in birther circles than any other. Even saw it posted at YouTube as a description of a copy of the “press conference” video! Who goes to YouTube for “news”?

    Oh, right.

    Ah, the remembrance of trolls gone by.

    As with so many others, the only war trophy birthers yield is their own version of The Empty Chair …. The Recently Emptied Chair 2012 WND.com Inc.

    At least it’s a cozy chair, if one can overlook the fresh tears.

  8. avatar
    JPotter March 19, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    I do see WND is flailing the “Obama has martial law plan in place” meme, along with requistie pieces on survivalism.

    Obama is getting ready for when it all goes down! Bigger than Watergate indeed!

    I’d feel better about the whole thing if WND et’ al’ were responsible journalistic organizations (hardeharhar-freakin’-har).

    The plan is:

    develop winger dependence on frightwing “alternative” media ( √ )
    inspire RWNJs to plan for a call to action—er, catastrophic event ( √ )*
    assure RWNJs that the other side is planning to force a catastrophe ( √ )
    tell the RWNJs the catastrophe is here (pending***) .

    It’s insidious. And effective. Taking militias like the Oathkeepers at their word, the imposition of martial law will trigger them to action. And the frightwingers are assuring them it’s imminent, and, having been sucked into complete mistrust of the “mainstream media”, the nuts will take their marching orders without question.

    Never mind that the “martial law plan” is routine stuff, decades old … and that there are legit reasons for declaring martial law …. such as if a band of nuts steals military hardware and declares a new republic in Idaho or wherever. Talk about your self-fulfilling prophecy.

    What’s the militia position on the Whiskey Rebellion? That Washington was a double-crosser?

    _________

    * So endemic it’s now a surreality show on A&E**
    ** Why is there no A&E on A&E?

    *** I think it’s still pending … saving it for a post-election apocalypse.

  9. avatar
    Scientist March 19, 2012 at 12:30 pm #

    Does anyone know how many violent crimes in Maricopa County from just 2011 and the first 2 months of 2012 remain unsolved? Doubtless quite a few. Meanwhile this asshat is busy investigating stuff that didn’t happen, and that, even if it did, happened a few thousand miles away.

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    Paper March 19, 2012 at 1:34 pm #

    They are definitely waiting for such a trigger. That or something else similar. I get that all the time from my Oath Keeper contact. He certainly is ready. The question becomes, will someone get impatient? Sometimes the language I hear becomes impatient, chomping at the bit. And someone may decide not to wait for something that is never going to come, or at least not anytime soon.

    I mean, that’s part of the excitement about Arpaio. Now it will all come out, the truth, and Obama will be arrested and convicted. They tend to skip over impeachment in their eagerness.

    I worry sometimes about someone crossing the line.

    JPotter: Taking militias like the Oathkeepers at their word, the imposition of martial law will trigger them to action.

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    y_p_w March 19, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

    Scientist: Does anyone know how many violent crimes in Maricopa County from just 2011 and the first 2 months of 2012 remain unsolved? Doubtless quite a few. Meanwhile this asshat is busy investigating stuff that didn’t happen, and that, even if it did, happened a few thousand miles away.

    Well – I think for the most part there isn’t that much which his department is responsble for that involves traditional law enforcement. Of course they do the civil stuff like evictions and running the jail, but a lot of law enforcement avoid agencies where those are the duties.

    I think he may just be bored because there isn’t a whole lot of Maricopa County (by population) that isn’t in cities with their own police. He’s been known to go into cities to conduct his raids without any kind of memorandum of understanding, a joint task force in place, or contacting the departments with primary jurisdiction. I think Phoenix Police (about four times as many officers as the MCSD) is really ticked off at him for all the stunts he’s pulled there. However, he does still seem to have a backlog.

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    G March 19, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

    I agree. I share those concerns. As JPotter correctly pointed out, this type of conspiracy zealot simply sets themselves up for invoking “self-fulfilling prophecies”.

    Paper: They are definitely waiting for such a trigger. That or something else similar. I get that all the time from my Oath Keeper contact. He certainly is ready. The question becomes, will someone get impatient? Sometimes the language I hear becomes impatient, chomping at the bit. And someone may decide not to wait for something that is never going to come, or at least not anytime soon. I mean, that’s part of the excitement about Arpaio. Now it will all come out, the truth, and Obama will be arrested and convicted. They tend to skip over impeachment in their eagerness.I worry sometimes about someone crossing the line.

    JPotter: The plan is:
    develop winger dependence on frightwing “alternative” media ( √ )
    inspire RWNJs to plan for a call to action—er, catastrophic event ( √ )*
    assure RWNJs that the other side is planning to force a catastrophe ( √ )
    tell the RWNJs the catastrophe is here (pending***) .

  13. avatar
    G March 19, 2012 at 2:06 pm #

    Once again, the true TELL in what is really going on here is where WND, Arpaio & most of the Birthers are primarily directing their anger:

    At the MEDIA.

    If this were a “real” investigation of a “real” crime, they wouldn’t care about what the media thinks or covers at all. No, they would simply be focused on legally pursuing prosecutions.

    But this has never been about any actual crime. No, the whole thing is simply a propaganda smear attempt, a la “Swift Boating”. And smears need to goad a sensationalist media to give them airtime and coverage in order to spread their lies.

    That is why the real desperation and anger is still mainly focused on trying to goad media coverage. They can’t penetrate beyond their already brainwashed Cult without it.

  14. avatar
    Dave March 19, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    The article quotes Arpaio saying

    “Donald Trump wrote me a note thanking me for what I’m doing,” the sheriff told me. “Everywhere I go people say, ‘Thank you, sheriff.’ Every speech I give, which is quite often, they say, ‘Thank you, sheriff.'”

    And Democrats everywhere are saying “Thank you, sheriff.”

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    Arthur March 19, 2012 at 2:32 pm #

    G: Once again, the true TELL in what is really going on here is where WND, Arpaio & most of the Birthers are primarily directing their anger:
    At the MEDIA.

    Exactly. Because they have no hope or intention of legal action. Their goal is to try to discredit the president in the eyes of low-information voters, and so lower his chance of relection. And the only way that goal can be achieved is if mass media cooperates in spreading their lies. Naturally, they’re irritated that the media isn’t playing along.

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    JPotter March 19, 2012 at 2:38 pm #

    Dave: And Democrats everywhere are saying “Thank you, sheriff.”

    Oh, they say thank you alright …. thanks for pushing the crazy! Thanks for nailing your coffin shut! I didn’t think that could be done from the inside….

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    JPotter March 19, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    Arthur: Their goal is to try to discredit the president in the eyes of low-information voters, and so lower his chance of relection.

    Indeed, just plant some seeds of doubt, be the straw that that breaks some mental backs…. affecting even 0.5% in a Presidential election is huge.

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    Horus March 19, 2012 at 2:44 pm #

    JPotter: The plan is:

    develop winger dependence on frightwing “alternative” media ( √ )
    inspire RWNJs to plan for a call to action—er, catastrophic event ( √ )*
    assure RWNJs that the other side is planning to force a catastrophe ( √ )
    tell the RWNJs the catastrophe is here (pending***) .

    That is why so many of them also push the Mayan Calender BS coming our way in December. They link that to Obama all the time.

    I think when Obama wins re-election that truly will be the End of the World for a lot of birthers.

  19. avatar
    Scientist March 19, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    In what sense did Watergate involve a media conspiracy?

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    misha March 19, 2012 at 2:56 pm #

    Paper: The question becomes, will someone get impatient? Sometimes the language I hear becomes impatient, chomping at the bit. And someone may decide not to wait for something that is never going to come, or at least not anytime soon…I worry sometimes about someone crossing the line.

    Which is exactly what Orly and Corsi, among others, is hoping for. When they deny they are trying to incite a lone wolf, they are being disingenuous.

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    JPotter March 19, 2012 at 2:57 pm #

    Scientist: In what sense did Watergate involve a media conspiracy?

    Well, there was a media conspiracy to uncover the White House conspiracy to cover up numerous misdeeds, several of which were themselves conspiracies.

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    Predicto March 19, 2012 at 2:59 pm #

    Hey, I saw at my supermarket that they made it into the Globe, just below the “Prophecies of Nostradamus help you lose belly fat” story.

    That’s media, right?

  23. avatar
    misha March 19, 2012 at 2:59 pm #

    “I’m not saying they’re corrupt. I’m not saying they’re lying.”

    To borrow from Lewis Black: “Yes you are. You just did.”

  24. avatar
    El Diablo Negro March 19, 2012 at 3:00 pm #

    I was 3 when the Watergate scandal took place (1972?). So I just know from history books.

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    Scientist March 19, 2012 at 3:00 pm #

    JPotter: Well, there was a media conspiracy to uncover the White House conspiracy to cover up numerous misdeeds, several of which were themselves conspiracies.

    Not really. The various media outlets, especially the Washington Post and the NY Times, competed vigorously against each other to break stories in a way that, sadly, you see very rarely today. The media was quite the opposite of a conspiracy.

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    JPotter March 19, 2012 at 3:03 pm #

    Horus: I think when Obama wins re-election that truly will be the End of the World for a lot of birthers.

    Interestingly, I caught a politico painting this election as the Götterdämmerung for the GOP (GÖPterdämmerung? Reaganrok?). In racial terms no less! He was explaining that the GOP, bless their little hearts, went all in on all the wrong demographics. As their electorate becomes less relevant—er, dominant, so goes the party. This election is, according to him, a last chance to go out with a bang (4 more years of regressive implosion! yayyyyyy!).

    I don’t think they’re timetable is that tight, thanks to all that gov’t healthcare, but I do believe he’s onto the something. The GOP is going to have to loosen up and find someone acceptable enough to pass their guttering torch to.

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    JPotter March 19, 2012 at 3:04 pm #

    Scientist: Not really. The various media outlets, especially the Washington Post and the NY Times, competed vigorously against each other to break stories in a way that, sadly, you see very rarely today. The media was quite the opposite of a conspiracy.

    Well, OK, several independent conspiracies operating at various media outlets! ;)

  28. avatar
    misha March 19, 2012 at 3:12 pm #

    El Diablo Negro:
    I was 3 when the Watergate scandal took place (1972?). So I just know from history books.

    I was in college, and I can tell you it was the greatest Constitutional crisis since the Civil War. My best friend lived in DC at the time, and he told me the telephone system in the District stopped working four hours before Nixon submitted his resignation.

    There actually was fear of a coup.

  29. avatar
    El Diablo Negro March 19, 2012 at 3:24 pm #

    Well since I am attaining my BS in Information Technology. I have access to the library. Thankfully they have eBooks. The thing that is missing for the birthers the the “Deep Throat” Insider. In this day and age, It is virtually impossible to have that type of coverup. There are so many means to spill the beans on the “usurper”. And after four years there is no “Deep Throat” insider.

    Then there is the “Louisiana Watergate” by James O’Keefe…

    What do Democrats have that stirs up the Republicans to (attempt) wiretaps and burglary?

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    G March 19, 2012 at 3:25 pm #

    I agree with all of you. That is exactly the two-pronged goal of these buffoons:

    1 – try to sway an election
    2 – try to incite some crazy to cause harm

    Look at all of the articles at ORYR these days – it has devolved into this very type of desperate whining for media attention we’ve been talking about.

    Even when they talk about upcoming ballot fights, they describe their goal openly as thus:

    – The “Califonia 7‘ plaintiffs have kept a low profile, to not attract a lot of opposition attention.

    We are bringing this to your attention now for two reasons:

    1. Need to help win over public opinion

    2. Need money- this stuff is expensive

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/03/obama-ballot-hearing-set-for-march-23.html

    So yeah, it is nothing but an endless Tilting at Windmills propaganda smear campaign attempt…and the associated opportunity to grift off of the gullible suckers in the process..

    As I’ve said repeatedly, the whole propaganda campaign angle is DOA these days…not that they will ever realize it. The Birthers have so destroyed their own credibility with their endless antics and EPIC FAIL events that they do NOT penetrate beyond their own walls at all anymore.

    Any “low information voter” who is susceptible to their cr@p is already an ODS sufferer, who had no intention of voting for Obama regardless. Therefore, the Birtherism angle has always been completely redundant. You can’t “sway” an election when your entire voting block is already completely factored into the existing equation.

    All they have is a sef-reinforcing feedback loop of preaching to their own choir and separating themselves from their own money, with nothing to ever show for it.

    It is that 2nd desperate and insidious goal of incitement that I will remain concerned about…. there are a lot of unhinged nuts roaming loose.

    Arthur: Exactly. Because they have no hope or intention of legal action. Their goal is to try to discredit the president in the eyes of low-information voters, and so lower his chance of relection. And the only way that goal can be achieved is if mass media cooperates in spreading their lies. Naturally, they’re irritated that the media isn’t playing along.

    JPotter: Indeed, just plant some seeds of doubt, be the straw that that breaks some mental backs…. affecting even 0.5% in a Presidential election is huge.

    misha: Which is exactly what Orly and Corsi, among others, is hoping for. When they deny they are trying to incite a lone wolf, they are being disingenuous.

  31. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 19, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    Is it just me, or is there something fundamentally wrong-sounding with “BS in Information Technology?”

    El Diablo Negro: Well since I am attaining my BS in Information Technology

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    El Diablo Negro March 19, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    JPotter: I do see WND is flailing the “Obama has martial law plan in place” meme, along with requistie pieces on survivalism.

    Wasn’t Clinton going to do martial law during Y2K?
    Wasn’t Bush Jr. going to do martial law in 2008?

    Same crap, different President

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    Paper March 19, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    Well, my main birther guy has a direct brain-link to Alex Jones and has used and defended Corsi, even speaking highly of his having a PhD. The main thing, though, is he is big into Ron Paul, the only candidate not involved in the overall conspiracy. That gives him one big outlet for his energies. Like most of these guys, he is very self-involved, so one has to wade through narcissistic pronouncements and all the rest to learn what he is really actually doing.

    misha: Which is exactly what Orly and Corsi, among others, is hoping for. When they deny they are trying to incite a lone wolf, they are being disingenuous.

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    Paper March 19, 2012 at 3:32 pm #

    And bringing along the next generation. Which I see happening in front of my very eyes…breaks my heart sometimes.

    G: All they have is a sef-reinforcing feedback loop of preaching to their own choir and

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    misha March 19, 2012 at 3:33 pm #

    El Diablo Negro: Then there is the “Louisiana Watergate” by James O’Keefe…What do Democrats have that stirs up the Republicans to (attempt) wiretaps and burglary?

    Watergate and the “Louisiana Watergate.” Why?

    Republicans have a genetic predisposition.

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    El Diablo Negro March 19, 2012 at 3:35 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Is it just me, or is there something fundamentally wrong-sounding with “BS in Information Technology?”

    It is kinda of funny, but, from experience, you cannot Bulls**t your way through Information Technology, too much is at stake to try and fake it. You will be found out real quick when the “OMG! nothing is working!” moment we all go through as an IT professional. You can’t sweet talk a networking device into working again…

  37. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 19, 2012 at 3:37 pm #

    Well, if you haven’t seen the movie, “All the President’s Men,” I strongly recommend you see it. It’s a great film plus a good introduction to Watergate.

    El Diablo Negro: I was 3 when the Watergate scandal took place (1972?). So I just know from history books.

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    Obsolete March 19, 2012 at 3:54 pm #

    I think the three best watergate films are:
    1-All the President’s Men
    2-Oliver Stone’s “Nixon”
    3-Dick (1996)

    The last one is a comedy but manages to ring true due to it’s absurdity.

    I am just starting to read “the Secret Man” by Bob Woodward – it is amazing that the identity of “Deep Thoat” remained a secret all those years until he revealed it himself. Would that even be possible today?

    “The Final Days” by Woodward/Bernstein is also required reading.

  39. avatar
    G March 19, 2012 at 4:05 pm #

    ;)

    http://instantrimshot.com/

    Dr. Conspiracy: Is it just me, or is there something fundamentally wrong-sounding with “BS in Information Technology?”

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    G March 19, 2012 at 4:07 pm #

    Yep. The anti-government paranoids have been claiming “martial law” and NWO and “black helicopters” and FEMA camps and “blood in the streets”, etc. etc. etc. for several decades, regardless of who is in office.

    They are the ultimate “any…day…now” crowd of Chicken Littles.

    El Diablo Negro: Wasn’t Clinton going to do martial law during Y2K?Wasn’t Bush Jr. going to do martial law in 2008?Same crap, different President

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    JPotter March 19, 2012 at 4:09 pm #

    As much as I have been trying to avoid plugging the Woodward & Bernstien appearance coming up on 3/27 at 7:30pm at TU ….. I mean it’s free and all ….. and about Watergate … and its relevance to the present … or lack thereof ….. I’ll take notes.

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    JPotter March 19, 2012 at 4:13 pm #

    G: Yep. The anti-government paranoids have been claiming “martial law” and NWO and “black helicopters” and FEMA camps and “blood in the streets”, etc. etc. etc. for several decades, regardless of who is in office.They are the ultimate “any…day…now” crowd of Chicken Littles.

    Safe to say it has always been with us. Paranoia is a human trait. See the Old Testament for recap of tribal politics. The only change has been the speed, and the amount of potential damage an individual can dish out.

    Well, discounting any individuals armed with an Ark. But that’s an outlier. ;)

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    CarlOrcas March 19, 2012 at 4:23 pm #

    misha: My best friend lived in DC at the time, and he told me the telephone system in the District stopped working four hours before Nixon submitted his resignation.

    I was in Washington, in television news, at the end of Watergate when Nixon resigned. The telephone system story isn’t true. I do recall the day he left that I was in my apartment in southwest watching TV (I worked the late shift) and as Marine 1 lifted off from the south lawn and flew down the ship channel on its way to Andrews I stepped out ion my balcony and watched it fly right by.

    misha: There actually was fear of a coup

    As the tension level rose the concern about what the military might do did the same. In the end, of course, it did its job like everyone else and Nixon flew away into history.

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    Rickey March 19, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

    CarlOrcas:

    As the tension level rose the concern about what the military might do did the same. In the end, of course, it did its job like everyone else and Nixon flew away into history.

    Which is precisely why active duty military personnel are told not to get involved in politics.

    I remember that back in the days of Compuserve a retired Navy officer claimed that he had resigned his commission because he couldn’t serve under Clinton. I didn’t believe that was his real reason.

    Speaking of the Navy, today I receved my ID card from the V.A. and now I am officially enrolled in government-run health care. Love that Socialist medicine!

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    CarlOrcas March 19, 2012 at 4:48 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Well, if you haven’t seen the movie, “All the President’s Men,” I strongly recommend you see it. It’s a great film plus a good introduction to Watergate.

    I hadn’t watched it for a very long time and it was on a few days ago. It stands up well and, you’re right, it’s a great film and a pretty accurate depiction of the events.

    It is amusing to see the long hair, long shirt collars and all those typewriter and wire printers.

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    Keith March 19, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Is it just me, or is there something fundamentally wrong-sounding with “BS in Information Technology?”

    I saw it too.

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    Keith March 19, 2012 at 6:23 pm #

    El Diablo Negro: You can’t sweet talk a networking device into working again…

    No, you can’t. You just hit the BRB.

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    misha March 19, 2012 at 6:42 pm #

    Obsolete: I think the three best watergate films are:

    I also would like to recommend “Millhouse – A White Comedy.”

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067431/

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    misha March 19, 2012 at 6:55 pm #

    CarlOrcas: The telephone system story isn’t true.

    He was an aide to Congressman Dulski. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaddeus_J._Dulski

    He told me he could not get a dialtone on any telephone he used, and he said he heard the same thing from others. I’m just repeating what he told me.

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    justlw March 19, 2012 at 7:48 pm #

    misha: There actually was fear of a coup.

    It was also reported that the month before Nixon resigned, Defense Secretary Schlesinger had told the Joint Chiefs to check with him before responding to any order from the President for any kind of military action.

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    US Citizen March 19, 2012 at 9:04 pm #

    If Obama wins the next election, I predict there will be less birtherism and more impeachment talk.
    I also think they will start talking more smack about Biden as he would be the next President if impeachment was to occur.
    At some point however, they will shift their concerns to whoever the next democratic hopeful is.
    I imagine Arpaio will also receive support from the nutjob populace, egging him on to run.

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    Horus March 19, 2012 at 9:21 pm #

    US Citizen: If Obama wins the next election, I predict there will be less birtherism and more impeachment talk.

    I seriously doubt they will keep the House this election, so, no impeachment hearings will occur.

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    Northland10 March 19, 2012 at 9:39 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Arpaio: Conspiracy bigger than Watergate

    I think that is the requirement for a CIO.

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    Northland10 March 19, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

    Oops, I think I quoted the wrong comment.. or problems with IT. Once more with feeling:

    I think that is the requirement for a CIO.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Is it just me, or is there something fundamentally wrong-sounding with “BS in Information Technology?”

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    Northland10 March 19, 2012 at 9:42 pm #

    Yet, I have seen people try. In all fairness, it was usually somebody further up the pole. The one actually using colorful language to an inanimate object was too busy to sweet talk anything.

    El Diablo Negro: You can’t sweet talk a networking device into working again…

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    Northland10 March 19, 2012 at 9:48 pm #

    I rather enjoyed Nixon’s Shadow, The History of and Image by David Greenberg.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Well, if you haven’t seen the movie, “All the President’s Men,” I strongly recommend you see it. It’s a great film plus a good introduction to Watergate.

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    Obsolete March 19, 2012 at 10:18 pm #

    misha: I also would like to recommend “Millhouse – A White Comedy.”

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067431/

    I actually have and enjoy that one! I didn’t list it because I thought it might be too obscure and hard for others to locate. But if I may indulge in obscurities, I would also include “White House Madness” and “Another Nice Mess”, with Rich Little and a very young Steve Martin playing a “Hippee”.

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    US Citizen March 19, 2012 at 10:27 pm #

    Horus: I seriously doubt they will keep the House this election, so, no impeachment hearings will occur.

    I highly doubt impeachment will occur anyway.
    I was just remarking as to what the future memes will play out as.

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    gorefan March 19, 2012 at 11:26 pm #

    The Postman always rings twice.

    ORYR has a WND story about a postman. He remembers …hell i’ll let you read it.

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/03/postal-worker-allen-hulton-bill-ayers.html#comment-form

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    G March 19, 2012 at 11:26 pm #

    I also expect them to ramp up their howling cries for Secession.

    US Citizen: I highly doubt impeachment will occur anyway.I was just remarking as to what the future memes will play out as.

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    CarlOrcas March 19, 2012 at 11:43 pm #

    misha: He told me he could not get a dialtone on any telephone he used, and he said he heard the same thing from others. I’m just repeating what he told me.

    Sounds like he worked on the Hill and the phone system there was often over loaded when something aroused to public to call their member or Senators. That happened a lot during Watergate.

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    G March 19, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

    *rolls eyes*

    Wow, the BIrtheristani and WND are exceedingly desperate in their sewer smears. They only serve to further discredit themselves with pursuing this absurd angle from yet another deranged and pathetic liar with an overactive imagination.

    What’s next? Bringing in the Mars-Time Travel guys?

    LMAO!

    They are truly slumming in the territory of Batboy had Elvis’ Baby territory now…

    gorefan: The Postman always rings twice.ORYR has a WND story about a postman. He remembers …hell i’ll let you read it.http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/03/postal-worker-allen-hulton-bill-ayers.html#comment-form

  63. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 19, 2012 at 11:46 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Is it just me, or is there something fundamentally wrong-sounding with “BS in Information Technology?”

    Yes. It’s backwards. It should read Information Technology BS.

  64. avatar
    Keith March 19, 2012 at 11:53 pm #

    G: They are truly slumming in the territory of Batboy had Elvis’ Baby territory now…

    But hes got a Service Award from the Post Office! He must be a truth teller!

    I’ve got a bunch of Service Awards from employers and clients too. Guess what? Those Service Awards and $3.50 will get me a great cup of coffee at just about any coffee shop in Melbourne. They are really useful things, those Service Awards.

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    misha March 20, 2012 at 12:16 am #

    Horus: I seriously doubt they will keep the House this election, so, no impeachment hearings will occur.

    I still say there will be an attempt at impeachment. Readers are free to disagree:

    http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/10/obama-will-be-impeached.html

    G: I also expect them to ramp up their howling cries for Secession.

    Let them go. They receive more in federal dollars, than they pay in income tax. Plus, they consider the Constitution a nuisance.

    Article VII of the US Constitution recognizes Jesus Christ as our Lord – Sharron Angle

    From South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley’s website:

    Question: Is Nikki a Christian?
    http://www.nikkihaley.com/truthinfacts/question-is-nikki-a-christian

    Truth: In Nikki’s words: “My faith in Christ has a profound impact on my daily life and I look to Him for guidance with every decision I make. God has blessed my family in so many ways and my faith in the Lord gives me great strength on a daily basis. Being a Christian is not about words, but about living for Christ every day.”

    US Constitution, Article VI, paragraph 3: “…no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

  66. avatar
    G March 20, 2012 at 2:36 am #

    Sounds like another Cliff Claven from Cheers….

    For those who don’t get the reference, the main point here is that someone’s ability to deliver the mail has absolutely no direct correlation to their honesty.

    Bluntly speaking, being able to do simple tasks for years on end doesn’t preclude someone from being full of nothing but tall tales and fish stories in their free time…

    Keith: But hes got a Service Award from the Post Office! He must be a truth teller!

  67. avatar
    G March 20, 2012 at 2:43 am #

    While I can be sympathetic to that type of mere expression out of frustration, I am adamantly opposed to the principle of it.

    We fought and won a war that clearly answered that issue – states do NOT have the right to leave the Union of the US – PERIOD. No ifs, ands or butts.

    Also, while there are certain states that are currently an economic drain and also certain states that are clearly more “regressive” in many respects, that is no reason to ignore the truth that those states also house many people in the minority who DO support and love this country and its union. ALL of those states and its people are Citizens of this U.S. As are ALL of the assets within those states.

    No, they need to learn to grow up and work to better themselves and help this great nation. Cutting them lose (and creating a poor, hostile festering nation bordering us) is not just wrongheaded on its face, it is also a very, very BAD idea and spits in the face of everything this nation fought and bled for nearly 150 years ago…

    misha: Let them go. They receive more in federal dollars, than they pay in income tax. Plus, they consider the Constitution a nuisance.

  68. avatar
    Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter March 20, 2012 at 4:26 am #

    G:
    Sounds like another Cliff Claven from Cheers….

    For those who don’t get the reference, the main point here is that someone’s ability to deliver the mail has absolutely no direct correlation to their honesty.

    Bluntly speaking, being able to do simple tasks for years on end doesn’t preclude someone from being full of nothing but tall tales and fish stories in their free time…

    I just did an Internet Article on it. Corsi Goes Postal With Hearsay Evidence.

    http://birtherthinktank.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/corsi-goes-postal-with-hearsay-evidence/

    Here is what Hulton can actually testify to, that ISN’T hearsay:

    My name is Allen Hulton and sometime in the late 1980s or early 1990′s I met a young Black man in Chicago who I think was Barack Obama, and he told me that he was going to be President one day.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

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    misha March 20, 2012 at 4:27 am #

    misha: Let them go.

    G: Also, while there are certain states that are currently an economic drain and also certain states that are clearly more “regressive”

    True story: I lived in Gaithersburg, MD for 13 years. You remember Maryland; it’s the state that gave us Spiro Agnew.

    I was in an Arlington, VA hotel lobby and had a serious asthma episode. I had my inhaler in my mouth, and a man walked up to me.

    Passerby: “Asthma?” I shook my head ‘yes.’
    Passerby: “Are you a Christian?” I shook my head ‘no.’
    Passerby: “That’s why you have asthma. If you were a Christian, Jesus would take your asthma away.”

    Toto, we’re not in New York anymore.

  70. avatar
    misha March 20, 2012 at 4:33 am #

    Paper: Alex Jones and has used and defended Corsi, even speaking highly of his having a PhD.

    In Corsi’s case, PhD stands for Pile Higher and Deeper.

  71. avatar
    misha March 20, 2012 at 5:06 am #

    G: Also, while there are certain states that are currently an economic drain and also certain states that are clearly more “regressive”

    Watch this and weep:
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-panel-mocks-rural-mississippi-confederates-from-snug-hollywood-perch/

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    Northland10 March 20, 2012 at 6:01 am #

    misha: Passerby: “Asthma?” I shook my head ‘yes.’
    Passerby: “Are you a Christian?” I shook my head no.’
    Passerby: “That’s why you have asthma. If you were a Christian, Jesus would take your asthma away.”

    Well, you had one, single, thing in common with the Passerby. The Passerby doesn’t appear to be a Christian either (or at least does act like it).

    Birthers call themselves patriots and the loony Passerby calls himself/herself Christian. They are very similar in their approach.

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    Scientist March 20, 2012 at 6:59 am #

    G: We fought and won a war that clearly answered that issue – states do NOT have the right to leave the Union of the US – PERIOD. No ifs, ands or butts.

    I have to disagree. The Civil War said that a state or group of states couldn’t leave the Union without the consent of the rest. I don’t think anything precludes countries breaking up by mutual consent. England and Scotland fought many wars over centuries leading to the Acts of Union in 1707. Now, there is likely to be a referendum which could lead to Scottish independence or some looser federation. Belgium may break up.

    Just look at the map of the world over time. Countries break up and form all the time. The map has altered radically in my lifetime. To say the US has some magical immunity from that is foolish. Do I think it’s imminent? No, But hardly impossible.

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    US Citizen March 20, 2012 at 9:43 am #

    misha: Passerby: “Asthma?” I shook my head ‘yes.’
    Passerby: “Are you a Christian?” I shook my head no.’
    Passerby: “That’s why you have asthma. If you were a Christian, Jesus would take your asthma away.”

    I’m curious what that passerby would have said if you had answered yes?

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    Thomas Brown March 20, 2012 at 10:11 am #

    misha:
    Passerby: “Are you a Christian?” I shook my head no.’
    Passerby: “That’s why you have asthma. If you were a Christian, Jesus would take your asthma away.”

    In similar situations, I take a good look at the “Christian” and say “Then how come He didn’t fix your eyesight?” (or fill in your bald spot, or help you lose weight, or improve your bad breath, or….)

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    Majority Will March 20, 2012 at 10:19 am #

    US Citizen: I’m curious what that passerby would have said if you had answered yes?

    At that point, I’d like to shower the passerby with my salad and when he or she cries out “why did you do that?”, I bow my head, reach out my hand and solemnly whisper, “lettuce spray”.

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    JPotter March 20, 2012 at 10:21 am #

    Scientist: The Civil War said that a state or group of states couldn’t leave the Union without the consent of the rest.

    Or fighting for it. (Just saying.) Should that ever happen again, it could be a real mess, or a joke / whimper. Despite everything, the country is tied together and inseparable in many ways on many levels. For now anyway.

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    Majority Will March 20, 2012 at 10:25 am #

    Northland10: Well, you had one, single, thing in common with the Passerby.The Passerby doesn’t appear to be a Christian either (or at least does act like it).

    Birthers call themselves patriots and the loony Passerby calls himself/herself Christian.They are very similar in their approach.

    “People who want to share their religious views with you almost never want you to share yours with them.” – Dave Barry

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    Paul Pieniezny March 20, 2012 at 2:37 pm #

    US Citizen: I’m curious what that passerby would have said if you had answered yes?

    Continue asking until he established you’re the wrong kind of Christian, or the wrong kind of Protestant, or the wrong kind of Baptist, or the wrong kind of Southern Baptist, or the wrong kind of …

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    Keith March 20, 2012 at 5:32 pm #

    misha: Passerby: “That’s why you have asthma. If you were a Christian, Jesus would take your asthma away.”

    When I was growing up in Tucson, there were one heck of a lot of people that had moved there because of their asthma. Many of my friends had asthma.

    Many of those people were very conservative Southern Baptists. After reading your story, I can’t for the life of me understand why any of them should have suffered from asthma.

    True Story.

    Tucson is no longer the refuge of allergy and asthma suffers it once was. They have brought all their “lovely” pollen producing plants with them and now ‘some people’ (usually from other schools) claim that the University’s Basketball Coach is going to get poached back east because his wife has allergies.

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    G March 20, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

    I never said anything against mutual consent reasons, so there is no actual disagreement here between us.

    Just to clarify, I was focused on those who want to either force a leave or force another region out. Neither of those situations is “mutual consent”.

    But on the issue of “mutual consent”, I do agree that would be the only legally acceptable path for a peaceful divisioning of a nation into smaller separate nations.

    That being said, I simply don’t see any pragmatic nor realistic plausible scenario where that would actually happen here in the U.S. While there might be very loud and driven voices in certain areas, none of these regions is actually as heterogeneous in makeup as they appear on the suface. Therefore, there would simply be no uniform agreement to “mutual consent” in terms of people or material claims on resources and property. The U.S. would have every cause and right to protect the rights of even minority segments of the population that did not want to be stripped of their U.S. citizenship in such a scenario.

    Scientist: I have to disagree. The Civil War said that a state or group of states couldn’t leave the Union without the consent of the rest. I don’t think anything precludes countries breaking up by mutual consent. England and Scotland fought many wars over centuries leading to the Acts of Union in 1707. Now, there is likely to be a referendum which could lead to Scottish independence or some looser federation. Belgium may break up.
    Just look at the map of the world over time. Countries break up and form all the time. The map has altered radically in my lifetime. To say the US has some magical immunity from that is foolish. Do I think it’s imminent? No, But hardly impossible.

  82. avatar
    G March 20, 2012 at 5:49 pm #

    I agree with you.

    As things stand for now, I simply do not see any way in which an actual Civil War could take place here in modern times.

    Assets and people are too intermixed everywhere. More importantly, modern methods of communication and travel make it easy to not only be quickly be aware of any uprising fomenting, but also to reach that area and contain the situation before it could accomplish much at all.

    In order for either a “mutual breakup” scenario or some sort of next Civil War to be possible in this country, the central government and travel/communication infrastructures would need to collapse first. There are only two basic ways I could see that happening – either through some quick catastrophic event that leads to massive systemic failures and collapse, or over a very slow and long period of decline and severe weakening of the power and capability of the federal government. Sadly, those misguided GOP folks who talk about wanting to “shrink federal government to the point it could drown in a bath tub” would only enable such a national collapse of stability and strength in the process.

    JPotter: Or fighting for it. (Just saying.) Should that ever happen again, it could be a real mess, or a joke / whimper. Despite everything, the country is tied together and inseparable in many ways on many levels. For now anyway.

  83. avatar
    Scientist March 20, 2012 at 6:59 pm #

    G: That being said, I simply don’t see any pragmatic nor realistic plausible scenario where that would actually happen here in the U.S

    I agree. The countries that have split up or considered doing so had regions where one or another ethnic group and language predominated (the USSR, Czechoslovakia, Canada, Belgium). The US does not have that. The UK may be an exception since the Scots speak English and only a tiny minority even know Gaelic.

    If it ever came to it there would have to be a geographically contiguous region that voted to leave, with the rest of the country accepting that decision. This was discussed in Canada at the time of the last referendum on Quebec independence in the 1990s, whiich failed by a hair. There was little desire anywhere in English Canada to keep Quebec in the country against their will. The details would certainly have been sticky to work out, though Czechoslovakia did it and both the Czech Republic and Slovakia are successful states and have good relations with each other and the rest of the EU. So it is not an insoluble problem. but I agree it is a very unlikely scenario in the US.

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    JPotter March 20, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

    Scientist: I agree.

    Yep, me too … the US has many, many diverse interests, but all intertwined, and spread out without regard for states boundaries. That said, there used to be little breakaways all the time. Too busy tied up with screen life to get that excited over local events anymore. [ …. says the hypocrite posting on blogs at all hours.]

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    JPotter March 20, 2012 at 7:23 pm #

    Horus: That is why so many of them also push the Mayan Calender BS coming our way in December. They link that to Obama all the time.

    Whoa, I missed that one! Really, Horus? Where do i go to get a taste of this strain of nutty? :D

  86. avatar
    gorefan March 21, 2012 at 4:54 pm #

    Sheriff Joe has asked the Selective Service Administration to investigate the SSR card.

    http://mcso.org/MultiMedia/PressRelease/Director%20Romo%20News%20Release.pdf

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    CarlOrcas March 21, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

    gorefan: Sheriff Joe has asked the Selective Service Administration to investigate the SSR card.

    Slow news day in Phoenix I suspect.

    Prediction: Selective Service confirms registration. Arpaio (and all his merry birthers) explain it away by noting that the head of Selective Service was appinted by Obama and that, of course, means he has now joined the legions evil doers who are covering up for Obama across the fruited plains.

  88. avatar
    misha March 21, 2012 at 5:48 pm #

    CarlOrcas: the fruited plains

    Are you gay or something?

  89. avatar
    G March 21, 2012 at 6:32 pm #

    Once again, this latest “press release” from Arpaio’s office is just more PROOF that this is NOT a real investigation and is only an increasingly desperate WND/Apraio publicity stunt.

    A real investigation would have contacted the SSA from the very beginning…and not made a “press release” about doing so.

    I agree with CarlOrcas that the only result here will be the SSA responding that they confirm Obama’s registration. They are the official agency over such records and that simple confirmation is not only the full extent of all they need to respond with, but also where any sane inquiry of this level would end.

    Of course, Arpaio is using the press release to just try to sway/bully media attention here and his biggest blustery demands in that press release will both end up being denied:

    Sheriff Arpaio is asking Director Romo to respond to him within 30 days on whether or not his national office will provide the Sheriff with the original document and if his office will move forward with an investigation of its own.

    Arpaio has no jurisdictional authority over the SSA or Obama and there is no official “charges” filed. Therefore, such demands are nothing but a blustery farce. He and his CCP have no more rights to demand inspection of the original document for a personal witch-hunt fishing expedition than Mad Orly.

    So I predict that the SSA will simply deny giving him that document and also tell Arpaio that they have no interest nor reason to conduct their own investigation either.

    As CarlOrcas pointed out, the real goal here is for WND/Arpaio to then scream “conspiracy” when this happens, in their ever desperate hopes to create a “Swift Boat” style smear to penetrate into the broader media.

    It is all an intentional propaganda performance act.

    gorefan: Sheriff Joe has asked the Selective Service Administration to investigate the SSR card.http://mcso.org/MultiMedia/PressRelease/Director%20Romo%20News%20Release.pdf

    CarlOrcas: Slow news day in Phoenix I suspect.Prediction: Selective Service confirms registration. Arpaio (and all his merry birthers) explain it away by noting that the head of Selective Service was appinted by Obama and that, of course, means he has now joined the legions evil doers who are covering up for Obama across the fruited plains.

  90. avatar
    gorefan March 21, 2012 at 7:12 pm #

    Matthew Hendley links to fogbow and Doc.C. websites,

    “If you actually believe there might be some legitimacy to the Secret Service registration bullshit, The Fogbow has provided extensive debunking on every single aspect of Arpaio’s “birther” investigation, including this, this, and this on the registration card.”

    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/03/joe_arpaios_birther_investigat_1.php

    The last two “this” link here.

  91. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 21, 2012 at 7:46 pm #

    misha: Are you gay or something?

    I am a committed “something”.

  92. avatar
    CarlOrcas March 21, 2012 at 7:52 pm #

    G: It is all an intentional propaganda performance act.

    It’s a human perpetual motion machine.

  93. avatar
    G March 21, 2012 at 9:58 pm #

    LOL! Yeah….good analogy.

    CarlOrcas: It’s a human perpetual motion machine.