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Mainstream media rejects Arpaio results as “long debunked”

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio got some media attention from his “Cold Case Posse1” investigation in to Barack Obama’s birth certificate, but probably not the kind of attention he wanted.

Phoenix New Times

It’s the latest entry in a long line of publicity stunts for Arpaio, and this one just so happened to take place while the sheriff’s taking heat for the several hundred sex crimes his office bungled, and the Justice Department’s claim that he’s running a shop with the worst-racial profiling practices in U.S. history.

Fox News

The Obama birth certificate controversy has been widely debunked but remains alive in the eyes of some conservatives. Last year, Donald Trump most prominently revived the issue while entertaining a possible bid for the presidency.

Slate

This was the wrong news day for Sheriff Joe Arpaio to release the results of his "cold case posse" investigation of Barack Obama’s birth documents. A quick read reveals nothing that hasn’t been published on WorldNetDaily before, and Jerome Corsi, WND’s psuedo-investigator, was on hand in Phoenix to make his usual claims.

The Arizona Republic

You didn’t seriously fall for the claim that Arpaio’s intent was to announce some great discovery concerning President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, did you?

The Christian Science Monitor

Critics say Arpaio has much to gain by injecting himself into the so-called birther issue, which could deflect attention from his troubles while appealing to conservative supporters. He remains under federal investigation for potential civil rights violations, and a separate federal probe centers on accusations of abuse of power.

Associated Press

Arpaio on Thursday unveiled preliminary results of an investigation, conducted by members of his volunteer cold-case posse, into the authenticity of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, a controversy that has been widely debunked but which remains alive in the eyes of some conservatives.

BBC

His investigators found "probable cause" the certificate may have been made by "forgery and fraud", he said.

Mr Arpaio, known for his tough stance on immigration, is being investigated over allegations of racial profiling.

Politico

Although objections to the authenticity of the president’s birth certificate have been widely debunked, some conservatives continue to make the country of the president’s birth an issue.

The Telegraph

Most Republican critics of Obama have given up pursuing such widely discredited "birther" allegations. But the investigation by Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, carried out by what he described as five-member volunteer "posse," was prompted by a request last August from a group of conservative Tea Party activists in the Phoenix valley.

The New York Times

There is an argument that it’s best to ignore crazy people. You have nothing to gain by reasoning with the guy on the subway shouting about the end of the world. But what if the crazy guy’s a prominent law enforcer, and what if he’s shouting about the president of the United States?

Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the self-appointed terrorizer of the Hispanic population of Maricopa County, Arizona, who is currently under federal investigation for discriminating against Latinos, held a press conference today that might stir up the ridiculous “birther” movement.

USA Today

Critics also have sought Arpaio’s resignation for more than 400 sex-crimes cases over a three-year period ending in 2007 that were either inadequately investigated or weren’t investigated at all by the sheriff’s office after the crimes were reported.

AZ Central

Given that he has now secured the “birther” vote, it would not surprise me if the sheriff would now direct his volunteer posse sleuths to appease other the conspiracy theory folks who might assist him in the polls in November.

“Proving” that we all watched a “fake” moon landing is an obvious choice, of course, but not the only one.


1I renamed them the “band of birthers.”

69 Responses to Mainstream media rejects Arpaio results as “long debunked”

  1. avatar
    Still nothing to read here March 2, 2012 at 3:28 pm #

    Still even after all those quotes, there is not one piece of evidence debunking HIS evidence, this research has never been done before, so it CANNOT BE DEBUNKED YET, where is the evidence proving this REAL evidence is not in fact worth anything

  2. avatar
    John March 2, 2012 at 3:37 pm #

    Exactly, no one has DEBUNKED the evidence. People with blogs like Fogbow and Doc C don’t count. Sheriff Arpiao even stated that. There has been NO ONE who HAS debunked these claims. The MSM is corrupt to the bone to protect Obama. That’s the only reasonable and rational explanation that can be reached. THE MSM IS ATTEMPTING TO DISMISS THE AUTHORITY OF A LEGAL AND RECOGNIZABLE INVESTIGATIVE BODY.

  3. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 2, 2012 at 3:37 pm #

    Actually that is not true. According to a specialist on birther claims about the birth certificate, John Woodman, there is nothing whatever new in the Arpaio stuff, which after all came from Mara Zebest who published her report at World Net Daily last year, and has been roundly debunked.

    If you don’t believe me, get Woodman’s book and read it for yourself.

    The only thing “new” was the Selective Service date stamp which I debunked totally and conclusively here:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/sheriff-joes-selective-service-fraud-debunked/

    So it’s over. All I am doing now is reporting on the aftermath.

    Still nothing to read here: Still even after all those quotes, there is not one piece of evidence debunking HIS evidence, this research has never been done before, so it CANNOT BE DEBUNKED YET, where is the evidence proving this REAL evidence is not in fact worth anything

  4. avatar
    John March 2, 2012 at 3:40 pm #

    Let me emphasize, internet websites like Fogbow and Obama Conspiracy Theories hold no validity or credibility to dismiss the findings of a legal and recognizable investigative body.

  5. avatar
    richCares March 2, 2012 at 3:41 pm #

    Evidence:
    Sheriff Joe’s evidence would not be allowed in any court of law, most of what Joe claims was offered as evidence in Indiana, it was called “Ridiculous”

  6. avatar
    John March 2, 2012 at 3:44 pm #

    John Woodman’s book holds as much credibility as Obots hold Dr. Corsi’s book “Where’s The Birth Certificate.” Given the results of an ACTUAL legal and recognizable investigative body, John Woodman’s book no longer holds any credibility. It should also be pointed out that John Woodman’s investigation into the birth certificate can’t even begin to compare to an official legal and recognizable investigative body with the resources, skills and talents that John Woodman simply didn’t and doesn’t have.

  7. avatar
    Greenfinches March 2, 2012 at 3:53 pm #

    I have a life, so won’t be spending time reading the full ‘report’ – but it seems to be devoted in large part to the .pdf of the birth certificate on the internet, NOT the birth certificate itself…..

    Does Sheriff Joe way-out-of-my-jurisdiction-here not realise that he can attack the .pdf all he wants and it matters not a bit?

  8. avatar
    John March 2, 2012 at 3:54 pm #

    I would say the Selective Services Issue has not at all been DEBUNKED. This for the very simple reason that Doc C simply doesn’t have all the facts. The Press Conference was to announce the INITIAL and PRELIMINARY findings of the issue. The Cold Case Posse is currently and ongoing and outstanding criminal investigation in forgery and fraud. ALL INFORMATION NECESSARY TO REACH THE INITIAL FINDINGS HAS NOT BEEN DISCLOSED AND CANNOT AT THIS TIME. THEREFORE, THE CONCLUSIONS MADE BY THE OBOTS ARE SIMPLY NO MORE THAN NONFACTUAL CONCLUSIONARY SPECULATION AND CONJECTURE. Doc C, John Woodman and all the other obots simply don’t have all the facts.

  9. avatar
    richCares March 2, 2012 at 3:58 pm #

    you missed The National Review which said about Sheriff Joe “There are many famous characters to whom you might be compared; Sherlock Holmes is not one of them.”
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/292464/sheriff-joes-birther-posse-kevin-d-williamson

  10. avatar
    Mary Adams March 2, 2012 at 3:59 pm #

    LOL! Sheriff Joe’s performance was a flop. MSM didn’t fall for his cold cream puffy lies.

  11. avatar
    John March 2, 2012 at 4:01 pm #

    While Doc C and the Obots run rampant in wild speculation and conjecture, the birthers no longer need to. They now have an OFFICIAL, LEGAL, and RECOGNIZABLE investigative authority that has looked into the FACTS and the EVIDENCE and has announced their initial findings. Now that we have what we know what do we do? What do we do about Obama?

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    Still nothing to read here March 2, 2012 at 4:03 pm #

    If Woodman’s book proves that this is a legitimate document, and is the only analysis to prove this, why does he charge for this information, this should be free and available for the whole country and world to make a proper decision, or is he trying to capitalize of this market, and did he go biased into the investigation trying to prove it was legitimate as you claim the Posse did the opposite of. The people want the truth, and do not want to pay for it. Give me one example from the book you certainly know so well that debunks it, just one single full claim that it does, then I might consider paying for this information.

  13. avatar
    John March 2, 2012 at 4:07 pm #

    John Woodman is about as biased as they come. He is completely biased in support of Obama and literally bows to the FogBow. [John Woodman is a self-described Tea Party Conservative who does not support Barack Obama. You just make stuff up. Doc.] Of Course, in his book, John Woodman take numerous pages to try to convince people he is simply being objective. But based on his numerous and numerous blog entries, John Woodman is anything but objective.

  14. avatar
    richCares March 2, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

    “…paying for this information.”
    John Woodman has offered to send it free of charge , so go ahead and ask him, then just go away, take your foolishness with you!
    check what the conservative National Review says about Joe:
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/292464/sheriff-joes-birther-posse-kevin-d-williamson

  15. avatar
    Thrifty March 2, 2012 at 4:12 pm #

    Okay.

    Barack Obama II was born August 4th, 1961 in Honolulu Hawaii to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr.

    There you go, free of charge.

    Still nothing to read here: The people want the truth, and do not want to pay for it.

  16. avatar
    John March 2, 2012 at 4:13 pm #

    Why would anybody accept the findings of lone computer guy and his opinion over a 6 month 2200 hour from a legal and recognizable investigative authority. Makes no sense. John Woodman simply doesn’t have the credibility anymore.

  17. avatar
    Thrifty March 2, 2012 at 4:13 pm #

    How much does a copy of Jerome Corsi’s book go for these days?

    Still nothing to read here: If Woodman’s book proves that this is a legitimate document, and is the only analysis to prove this, why does he charge for this information, this should be free and available for the whole country and world to make a proper decision, or is he trying to capitalize of this market

  18. avatar
    Still nothing to read here March 2, 2012 at 4:16 pm #

    Already read that, but i still can locate the contact information for the author, what is it, ive checked
    http://www.amazon.com/Barack-Obamas-Birth-Certificate-Fraud/dp/0983759251/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

    http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/john-woodman-book-is-barack-obama%E2%80%99s-birth-certificate-a-fraud-computer-guy-market-watch-article-citizen-wells-emails-woodman/

    http://www.newhorizonpressbooks.com/
    and about a hlaf dozen more links

    still cant find his email address or phone number to get a free copy, what is it?

  19. avatar
    bernadineayers March 2, 2012 at 4:18 pm #

    Thrifty:
    How much does a copy of Jerome Corsi’s book go for these days?

    john woodman’s book is free… just saying.

    [John Woodman’s book is not free. You can buy it on Amazon.com. Doc]

    whatever your point.

    doc the carpeting doesn’t match the drapes in your banner…

  20. avatar
    John March 2, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

    The argument is similar in nature to Obot’s dismissing of Mario Apuzzo and Leo Donofrio. Birthers worship Mario and Leo as they believe their arguments prove NBC is one born on US Soil to Parents who are US Citizens. Obots soundly reject Mario and Leo for more official and legal authorities such the courts and Jack Maskell’s CRS Report.

    In this instance, the reasoning is reversed. The Obots reject findings from a official, legal and recognizable investigative authority for a single man with a investigation and opinion.

    In this case, the Obots play the role of the birthers and in the most hypocritical fashion condemning them for what they in fact are doing as their own.

  21. avatar
    richCares March 2, 2012 at 4:26 pm #

    Google is your friend:
    John’s site: http://www.obamabirthbook.com/
    email:
    orderassist@obamabirthbook.com?subject=Obama Book: Order Assistance

  22. avatar
    jtmunkus March 2, 2012 at 4:28 pm #

    It seems like the farther away from American soil the writer, the less attention is paid to the general birther debunking that most Americans are aware of.

    So, overseas, the story is more damaging than it is here. A Russian listening to Taitz vomit on Moscow radio might just believe her, without being handed a reason not to – and they’re more likely not to be given any counterpoint.

    The birthers do real damage overseas.

  23. avatar
    gorefan March 2, 2012 at 4:30 pm #

    “The Obama birth certificate controversy has been widely debunked but remains alive in the eyes of some conservatives.” Fox News

    “a controversy that has been widely debunked but which remains alive in the eyes of some conservatives.” Associated Press

    Interesting choice of words.

  24. avatar
    Scientist March 2, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

    jtmunkus: The birthers do real damage overseas

    Since most countries don’t have requirements to be a “natural born citizen” to hold office, why would they care? Would I care if Angela Merkel might or might not be in conformance with some obscure German requirement to hold office?

    Besides, isn’t Obama far more popular worldwide than Bush (and more popular abroad than in the US)?

  25. avatar
    Thrifty March 2, 2012 at 4:41 pm #

    Okay so the Russian guy believes it. So what? How does that affect us in America? He doesn’t get to vote in our elections and even if he did, the courts and Congress are clearly on our, reality based, side.

    jtmunkus:
    It seems like the farther away from American soil the writer, the less attention is paid to the general birther debunking that most Americans are aware of.

    So, overseas, the story is more damaging than it is here.A Russian listening to Taitz vomit on Moscow radio might just believe her, without being handed a reason not to – and they’re more likely not to be given any counterpoint.

    The birthers do real damage overseas.

  26. avatar
    izzybella March 2, 2012 at 4:44 pm #

    Sheriff Joe is a laughingstock today in Phoenix. Even the conservative radio talk show hosts are making fun of him.

  27. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 2, 2012 at 4:49 pm #

    I’m sorry, what were Mike Zullo’s qualifications again? The “cold case posse” were a bunch of volunteers working for free, using birthers as consultants. Talk about “no credibility.”

    Anybody with minimal technical competence can follow John’s argument, and can poke holes in Zullo.

    John: Why would anybody accept the findings of lone computer guy and his opinion over a 6 month 2200 hour from a legal and recognizable investigative authority. Makes no sense. John Woodman simply doesn’t have the credibility anymore.

  28. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 2, 2012 at 4:58 pm #

    I’ve watched John (actually James) here and at the RC Radio chats. He will basically say anything to be contrary. He makes up facts to suit the occasion. You can’t have a discussion with someone who makes things up as he goes along.

    The only way to deal with someone like that is to ban them or to ignore them. You certainly can’t argue with them.

    I banned John before, but I’m a soft-hearted liberal. So for now, it’s ignore. Rave on John, and if you post too much, I’ll randomly delete a few. Better save up for your best stuff.

    John: John Woodman is about as biased as they come.

  29. avatar
    Scientist March 2, 2012 at 4:59 pm #

    John: The Obots reject findings from a official, legal and recognizable investigative authority for a single man with a investigation and opinion

    This was NOT an official inquiry. It was (supposedly) privately funded, hence not an official act of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office. No charges are resulting, despite a findiing of a “crime”. And the “experts” are NOT professionall investigators nor in an y way quallfied to make their findings.

    With all due respect to John Woodman, his book is only a small part of why I totally reject Arpaio’s nonsense. I reject it mostly because common sense tells me Obama had to have been born in Hawaii and was absolutely NOT born in Kenya.

  30. avatar
    Still nothing to read here March 2, 2012 at 5:17 pm #

    There is still a possibility for the LFBC to be forged, even if he was born in Hawaii. Just because the alleged forgery is out there, that doesn’t EQUAL born in Kenya. It just means there has been a forgery committed.

    Scientist: This was NOT an official inquiry.It was (supposedly) privately funded, hence not an official act of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office.No charges are resulting, despite a findiing of a “crime”.And the “experts” are NOT professionall investigators nor in an y way quallfied to make their findings.

    With all due respect to John Woodman, his book is only a small part of why I totally reject Arpaio’snonsense.I reject it mostly because common sense tells me Obama had to have been born in Hawaii and was absolutely NOT born in Kenya.

  31. avatar
    John March 2, 2012 at 5:23 pm #

    I do agree on that Still. We know that Obama’s lawyer apparently received 2 birth certificates from Hawaii. It’s very possible that Obama discovered incriminating information on his long-form BC and it was necessary to manufacture forgeries while keeping the real BSs under lock and key. What information, Possible – Obama wans’t born in a hospital or that Obama’s father is not Obama Sr.

  32. avatar
    Scientist March 2, 2012 at 5:30 pm #

    Still nothing to read here: There is still a possibility for the LFBC to be forged, even if he was born in Hawaii.

    Now you are intruiging me. What would be the motivation to forge a form that accurately represents where you were born?

  33. avatar
    Scientist March 2, 2012 at 5:33 pm #

    Still nothing to read here: There is still a possibility for the LFBC to be forged, even if he was born in Hawaii. Just because the alleged forgery is out there, that doesn’t EQUAL born in Kenya. It just means there has been a forgery committed.

    Now you are intruiging me. What would be the motivation to forge a form showing your actual place of birth?

  34. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 2, 2012 at 5:34 pm #

    That’s a pretty strange scenario.

    You have to keep in mind that there’s no evidence it was forged in the first place.

    The whole argument out Arizona (actually out of WorldNetDaily) is that “real scanning of a real document” creates different results than the claimed really scanning of a real document by the White House.

    But look at what they did. First they didn’t use a real document, they used a third generation printout with all the inherent problems in copying security paper. What they scanned was nothing like a real birth certificate. Second, they made no attempt to use the same software for optimization that the White House used or even the same kind of computer system. So the results were what you expect, different, or put another way: garbage in, garbage out.

    You can put out some wild scenario about Hawaii covering something, but there is no reason to think that anything other than the official story is true.

    Still nothing to read here: There is still a possibility for the LFBC to be forged, even if he was born in Hawaii. Just because the alleged forgery is out there, that doesn’t EQUAL born in Kenya. It just means there has been a forgery committed.

  35. avatar
    Mary Adams March 2, 2012 at 5:34 pm #

    Still nothing to read here: There is still a possibility for the LFBC to be forged

    No, there isn’t. Hawaii DoH says they issued it. They link to the picture of it on the WH website. They are the ultimate word on who was born in their state.

  36. avatar
    Scientist March 2, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

    Still nothing to read here: There is still a possibility for the LFBC to be forged, even if he was born in Hawaii. Just because the alleged forgery is out there, that doesn’t EQUAL born in Kenya. It just means there has been a forgery committed.

    What is the motivation to forge a document showing your actual place of birth?

    Doc-my comment keeps disappearing….

  37. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 2, 2012 at 5:42 pm #

    It’s the spam filter.

    Scientist: Doc-my comment keeps disappearing….

  38. avatar
    JoZeppy March 2, 2012 at 5:43 pm #

    John: official, legal and recognizable investigative authority

    Saying this phrase over and over doesn’t give his b.s. any value. If he had found something, there would be indictments. There are none. Everything Sheriff Joe presented at his presser, is the same stuff that has been circulating, and rejected over the past 4 years. And explain how this “official, legal and recognizable investigative authority” managed to conduct an investigation into President Obama’s birth certificate without even contacting the state of Hawaii, or even trying to look at the actual paper document?

  39. avatar
    nbc March 2, 2012 at 5:43 pm #

    I do agree on that Still. We know that Obama’s lawyer apparently received 2 birth certificates from Hawaii. It’s very possible that Obama discovered incriminating information on his long-form BC and it was necessary to manufacture forgeries while keeping the real BSs under lock and key. What information, Possible – Obama wans’t born in a hospital or that Obama’s father is not Obama Sr.

    Possible? Of course, plausible… Not really. Story of John’s life.

  40. avatar
    JoZeppy March 2, 2012 at 5:48 pm #

    John: I do agree on that Still. We know that Obama’s lawyer apparently received 2 birth certificates from Hawaii. It’s very possible that Obama discovered incriminating information on his long-form BC and it was necessary to manufacture forgeries while keeping the real BSs under lock and key. What information, Possible – Obama wans’t born in a hospital or that Obama’s father is not Obama Sr.

    Besides the point that your questions are based on complete disregard for all other supporting evidence, what would be incriminating about either not being born in a hospital or having a different father? Perhaps you just don’t know what the work “incriminating” means?

  41. avatar
    JoZeppy March 2, 2012 at 5:52 pm #

    Still nothing to read here: There is still a possibility for the LFBC to be forged, even if he was born in Hawaii. Just because the alleged forgery is out there, that doesn’t EQUAL born in Kenya. It just means there has been a forgery committed.

    Yes…you’ve got them now. The White House had the state of Hawaii make an exception to their normal procedures to issue a certified long form certificate, just so they could forge one containing the exact same information….just so they coudl mess with the birthers.

  42. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy March 2, 2012 at 5:54 pm #

    Can you imagine the birthers finally getting a look at the microfilm and finding that Barack Obama’s real father was a US citizen. That’s an “end of the world” scenario right there.

    JoZeppy: Yes…you’ve got them now. The White House had the state of Hawaii make an exception to their normal procedures to issue a certified long form certificate, just so they could forge one containing the exact same information….just so they coudl mess with the birthers.

  43. avatar
    BillTheCat March 2, 2012 at 6:00 pm #

    John: While Doc C and the Obots run rampant in wild speculation and conjecture, the birthers no longer need to. They now have an OFFICIAL, LEGAL, and RECOGNIZABLE investigative authority that has looked into the FACTS and the EVIDENCE and has announced their initial findings. Now that we have what we know what do we do? What do we do about Obama?

    LOL Thanks for another laugh today Mr. Delusional, this fantasy of yours is going to be rough when the ground falls out from under you.

    WON ANY COURT CASES? YEH, THOUGHT NOT.

  44. avatar
    richCares March 2, 2012 at 6:01 pm #

    “Obama discovered incriminating information on his long-form BC”
    you mean the one that the reporters passed around and Savannah Guthrie.even took a photo of it, that one? Don’t be silly

  45. avatar
    John March 2, 2012 at 6:01 pm #

    Still, assuming Obama was born in Hawaii, One theory that can explain the forged BC is this:

    When Obama’s attorney received the 2 copies of long-form Birth certificate, they realized that Obama was NOT born at Kapaloni Hospital as has been always said. Why is this important. Because Obama’s birth at Kapaloni is his official nativity and Obama sent a letter claiming he was born there. Obama and his team took those birth certificates and had them sealed away. They then “manufactured” a new forged birth certificate in it’s place showing Obama was born at Kapaloni. Hawaii couldn’t object because the forged BC bore their seal. But, Hawaii felt safe as they knew no one would be able to see the original. Nevertheless, Hawaii probably has had reasons to worry when Orly Taitz started to poke around and Hawaii has spent a tremendous time and energy fighting what they claim are frivilous lawsuits.

  46. avatar
    bernadineayers March 2, 2012 at 6:13 pm #

    bernadineayers: john woodman’s book is free… just saying.

    [John Woodman’s book is not free. You can buy it on Amazon.com. Doc]

    whatever your point.

    doc the carpeting doesn’t match the drapes in your banner…

    it has been free…

  47. avatar
    JoZeppy March 2, 2012 at 6:19 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Can you imagine the birthers finally getting a look at the microfilm and finding that Barack Obama’s real father was a US citizen. That’s an “end of the world” scenario right there.

    Yes….Alan Keyes is President Obama’s real father…..

    😉

  48. avatar
    G March 2, 2012 at 6:26 pm #

    LMAO! Oh the irony meters that have shattered with that piece of utter Projection!

    Face it, you losers have done nothing but run rampant with ONLY wild speculation and conjecture from day one. News flash: that is still all you’ve got.

    John: While Doc C and the Obots run rampant in wild speculation and conjecture, the birthers no longer need to.

    *rolls eyes* Yeah, good luck with that. Keep telling yourself that over and over again.

    Too bad it won’t make any of it true. Nor is it going to succeed in going anywhere.

    Face it – there is NOTHING you really can do with his “investigation findings”.

    I fully expect all Birther cases to try to add them to their legal challenges and letter writing campaigns from this point forward.

    But it won’t change the reality of the equation at all. Just another piece of meaningless crap and mere casting of aspersions to add to the spaghetti pile of other useless BIrther clutter that can’t stick.

    So, submit away and keep failing at all levels. As I said, nothing has changed here. All you’ve done is formally add Arpaio to the list of well-known discredited BIrthers. Woo-hoo…

    John: They now have an OFFICIAL, LEGAL, and RECOGNIZABLE investigative authority that has looked into the FACTS and the EVIDENCE and has announced their initial findings. Now that we have what we know what do we do? What do we do about Obama?

  49. avatar
    G March 2, 2012 at 6:31 pm #

    FAIL.

    There are no actual “findings” from Arpaio in any real sense here, John.

    You’ve been punked again.

    HINT: For there to be some “official legal finding” of this type, then there would be CHARGES that resulted from it. Not just weasely insinuations with no action taken.

    All a bunch of sound and fury that amounted to nothing. It was nothing but a publicity stunt that failed badly.

    Which is why you are really here and desperate to spin this DUD event into something other than the bomb that it turned out to be.

    Deep down, you know that your “great white hope” failed to deliver and you are simply in a tantrum tizzy…

    John: In this instance, the reasoning is reversed. The Obots reject findings from a official, legal and recognizable investigative authority for a single man with a investigation and opinion.

  50. avatar
    Scientist March 2, 2012 at 6:34 pm #

    John: What information, Possible – Obama wans’t born in a hospital or that Obama’s father is not Obama Sr

    Who cares if he wasn’t born in a hospital? Who cares who his father was? We’re long past the day where “illegitimate” children can’t be elected-half the babies born are to single moms. Anyway, mothers almost always put their husband’s name even if he wasn’t the father.

    You guys have passed from the absurd to the stark raving mad…

  51. avatar
    G March 2, 2012 at 6:38 pm #

    As I’ve pointed out several times, “John” is simply the biggest slavish toady of BIrtherism out there. He’s always carrying the torch for Mad Orly and blindly cheerleading every Birther meme that comes out.

    He’s the very definition of a devoted Cult follower. About as gullible a parrot as they come.

    As I’ve said before, he’s Grima Wormtongue from LOTR. But not the Grima from his days in Rohan. No, he’s nothing but the pathetic syncophant “Worm” from the period of The Scouring of The Shire.

    About as empty of a puppet vessel as there can be.

    Dr. Conspiracy: I’ve watched John (actually James) here and at the RC Radio chats. He will basically say anything to be contrary. He makes up facts to suit the occasion. You can’t have a discussion with someone who makes things up as he goes along. The only way to deal with someone like that is to ban them or to ignore them. You certainly can’t argue with them.I banned John before, but I’m a soft-hearted liberal. So for now, it’s ignore. Rave on John, and if you post too much, I’ll randomly delete a few. Better save up for your best stuff.

  52. avatar
    G March 2, 2012 at 6:40 pm #

    It fails to mean that there is any forgery at all – only in your fevered and desperate imagination.

    Still nothing to read here: There is still a possibility for the LFBC to be forged, even if he was born in Hawaii. Just because the alleged forgery is out there, that doesn’t EQUAL born in Kenya. It just means there has been a forgery committed.

  53. avatar
    Thrifty March 2, 2012 at 6:41 pm #

    Not much you can do, really. If Barack Obama committed fraud, Joe Arpaio does not have the authority to investigate or try it. The President could blow John Boehner’s brains out on live TV in Joe’s back yard and he would STILL not have any authority to prosecute the matter. Instead, Congress, and only Congress, has the authority to impeach and remove the President from office if there was any criminal activity (which there wasn’t).

    I guess if the fraud you people are imagining did exist, and you did succeed in impeachment by the House and a vote for removal from office by the Senate, you could try him for those crimes in criminal court, though even then I think it would be a matter for the FBI.

    John:
    While Doc C and the Obots run rampant in wild speculation and conjecture, the birthers no longer need to.They now have an OFFICIAL, LEGAL, and RECOGNIZABLE investigative authority that has looked into the FACTS and the EVIDENCE and has announced their initial findings.Now that we have what we know what do we do?What do we do about Obama?

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 2, 2012 at 6:44 pm #

    It wasn’t free when it came out, since I bought a copy as soon as it came out. It’s not free today.

    What evidence can you bring forward that you’re not lying just as you were when you said you would debate Frank on RC Radio?

    That is, you don’t have credibility so you better get some evidence.

    bernadineayers: it has been free…

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    G March 2, 2012 at 6:45 pm #

    Hey, you actually said something that was TRUE for once!

    John:

    I do agree on that Still. We know that Obama’s lawyer apparently received 2 birth certificates from Hawaii.

    *rolls eyes*

    You seem to forget that the HI DOH openly backs and LINKS to the scanned LFBC image on the White House website.

    They wouldn’t stand by it, if it in any way didn’t look exactly like what they provided to him in the first place. ***DUH***

    John:
    It’s very possible that Obama discovered incriminating information on his long-form BC and it was necessary to manufacture forgeries while keeping the real BSs under lock and key. What information, Possible – Obama wans’t born in a hospital or that Obama’s father is not Obama Sr.

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    Dr. Conspiracy March 2, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

    And why would Obama have said in that letter that he was born in Kapi’olani if he wasn’t? We already know he was delivered by a doctor from the statement of Dr. Fukino to CNN. If Obama wasn’t born at Kapi’olani, how do you explain this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YpAa891AmA

    John: Because Obama’s birth at Kapaloni is his official nativity and Obama sent a letter claiming he was born there. Obama and his team took those birth certificates and had them sealed away.

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    GLaB March 2, 2012 at 6:57 pm #

    gorefan: “The Obama birth certificate controversy has been widely debunked but remains alive in the eyes of some conservatives.” Fox News“a controversy that has been widely debunked but which remains alive in the eyes of some conservatives.” Associated PressInteresting choice of words.

    *Long-time lurker, first-time poster*

    FOX does this all the time… that is, they will take a wire-service story, modify it slightly and put it up under their own banner.

    If you click that FOX News link above and scroll to the bottom, you will see:

    “Based on reporting by the Associated Press.”

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    GeorgetownJD March 2, 2012 at 7:53 pm #

    I have always loved E.J. Montini’s witty observations in The Arizona Republic (online version: azcentral.com). Regarding this crazy story he is merely expressing the same WTF? reactions of the sane folks in Arizona. Hopefully Montini and the Republic will repeatedly remind the voters of Joe’s birferin’ when he should have been protecting the children of El Mirage, AZ.

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    JoZeppy March 2, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

    John: When Obama’s attorney received the 2 copies of long-form Birth certificate, they realized that Obama was NOT born at Kapaloni Hospital as has been always said.

    And where exactly would he have been born then? In a manger?

    John: Why is this important. Because Obama’s birth at Kapaloni is his official nativity and Obama sent a letter claiming he was born there.

    And so what if he was wrong….would anyone blame him if he couldn’t remember? He was kinda young back then, and his ability to read the sign might have been a little limited.

    John: Obama and his team took those birth certificates and had them sealed away. They then “manufactured” a new forged birth certificate in it’s place showing Obama was born at Kapaloni.

    Seems like a lot of effort to cover a rather inconsequential fact, don’t you think?

    John: Hawaii couldn’t object because the forged BC bore their seal. But, Hawaii felt safe as they knew no one would be able to see the original.

    You don’t think a state can object if someone forges one of their documents? Guess again. Now here’s the real kicker…if they forged the paper document, with a seal and all, printed on security paper, and felt comfortable enough to hand it around the press room, why would there be any issue with the pdf? Obviously, you wouldn’t start with a pdf with a security paper backgroud, you would have a black and white pdf and print on security paper. Makes no sense at all.

    John: Nevertheless, Hawaii probably has had reasons to worry when Orly Taitz started to poke around and Hawaii has spent a tremendous time and energy fighting what they claim are frivilous lawsuits

    I’m pretty sure the only think anyone ever worries about when hearing Orly Taitz is poking around is just dealing with the sheer inconvenience of her. Her actually winning something is probably the least concern anyone has.

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    G March 2, 2012 at 8:24 pm #

    Thanks for your post and contributing that interesting tidbit of info on Fox News and their “cheap” plagiarism…err…”reporting” methods.

    Welcome!

    GLaB: *Long-time lurker, first-time poster*FOX does this all the time… that is, they will take a wire-service story, modify it slightly and put it up under their own banner. If you click that FOX News link above and scroll to the bottom, you will see:“Based on reporting by the Associated Press.”

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    Daniel March 2, 2012 at 8:28 pm #

    Why is it that birthers never seem to understand that shoulda/woulda/coulda will never be considered objective and substantive evidence, no matter how hard they stomp their feet?

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    G March 2, 2012 at 8:33 pm #

    Agreed. And therein lies their key problem and why they are only destined for endless abject failure…

    Daniel: Why is it that birthers never seem to understand that shoulda/woulda/coulda will never be considered objective and substantive evidence, no matter how hard they stomp their feet?

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    G March 2, 2012 at 9:39 pm #

    As a very appropriate companion piece to this article, Patrick McKinnion over at BadFiction just wrote an excellent compilation with many, many further examples of the media response and utter EPIC FAIL event this “press conference” has turned out to be.

    A must read:

    http://badfiction.typepad.com/badfiction/2012/03/dispatches-from-birtherstan-2-march-2012.html#more

  64. avatar
    Thomas Brown March 2, 2012 at 9:40 pm #

    Mmmmmmm… Birther tears…. So yummy!

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    CarlOrcas March 2, 2012 at 9:59 pm #

    John: Let me emphasize, internet websites like Fogbow and Obama Conspiracy Theories hold no validity or credibility to dismiss the findings of a legal and recognizable investigative body

    Let me repeat, please:Fogbow and this webiste have as much legal authority in Arizona as Arpaio’s posse. The posse is not, repeat NOT, a “legal and recognizable investigative body”.

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    Paper March 2, 2012 at 11:08 pm #

    Bill Maher’s New Rule on Clueless Joe: “Whoever heard of a posse being unfair to a black man.”

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    CarlOrcas March 3, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

    Paper: Bill Maher’s New Rule on Clueless Joe: “Whoever heard of a posse being unfair to a black man.”

    Cleavon Little could play Obama in “Blazing Birthers”. Oh…wait….he died 20 years ago…..and they cremated his body……and…….oh, oh.

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    Graham Shevlin March 4, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    Either the posse is an extra-curricular activity on the part of Sheriff Arpaio, in which case he needs to be able to provide an argument (you know, something supported by facts and citations) as to why and how it is a “legally recognized” body, or he was supporting this investigation as part of his normal job, in which case he needs to be asked WTF he is doing performing investigation on a subject completely outside of his job description. His job is to supervise law enforcement for Maricopa County AZ, not jump about all over the place investigating the ballot eligibility of a sitting president.

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    Obsolete March 4, 2012 at 3:19 pm #

    John: Why would anybody accept the findings of lone computer guy and his opinion over a 6 month 2200 hour from a legal and recognizable investigative authority. Makes no sense. John Woodman simply doesn’t have the credibility anymore.

    Because the people John Woodman thoroughly debunked are the people who wrote Sheriff Joe’s report, using the already debunked information.
    Just because they published debunked info a second time doesn’t negate Woodman’s debunking.

    It should be obvious to even you that Sheriff Joe’s entire investigation was telling the birthers to throw something together for him.
    You fell for a book release publicity event.