While I have always been skeptical that there’s significant money to be made in birtherism, they do keep asking. The latest in my mailbox was a fundraising appeal from Pamela Barnett (of Barnett v. Obama fame) for the Obama State Ballot Challenge (OSBC), with the endorsement of Dean Haskin who collected who knows how much in non-refundable registration fees for the canceled Birther Summit.
Barnett wrote:
With the Mitt Romney polls against Obama not showing Romney as a clear winner, this strategy seems to be our greatest chance to ensure that Obama will not be in the White House for another 4 years.
Wow, against that possibility, maybe birthers will chip in a few bucks:
We need to raise big money fast! Just for these states alone we need to raise $50,000 to cover attorney and filing fees. Some of these lawsuits are already at the appeal level and there are some heavy hitter attorneys such as Larry Klayman, Esq. (Judicial Watch and Freedom Watch Founder who is fighting in Florida but we would like him to help in California also). The more money we raise the more qualified legal counsel that can be obtained and the more lawsuits we can launch. We have the ballot challenger clients throughout the country, we just need the attorneys and funds, and we need them fast! Our ideal amount to raise would be $10,000 per state.
Given that Obama state ballot challenges have been dropping like flies this year, I don’t think the birthers have much hope at all.
I believe the term is “grifting”.
“Won’t you call today? Ballot-challenger clients are standing by!”
“For only $500/day, you, too, can sponsor a ballot challenger client right here in the US … for just the price of a new laptop, you can give them questionable legal representation, a chance to publicly embarrass themselves, and a snowball’s chance in hell of subverting representative democracy. Right now they have no chance. Give them a snowball’s chance!”
Teehee!
They’ll never get “more competent attorneys”, as competent attorneys would never agree to file these suits.
I think the Obama Ballot Challenges are losing hope. If I could tell a birther what they should do with funds and their time and effort, I would tell the send their money, time and effort to 2 places:
1. Money to continue to fund Sheriff Arpaio’s investigation.
2. Focus on Orly Taitz’s Senate bid in CA – If Orly could win, she could actually stop Obama in his tracks with a objection to the Joint Session of Congress.
Orly Taitz for Senator of California!
I think the Ballot State Challenges were pretty over after the Georgia Case. In retrospect, birthers made a huge mistake by not accepting the default order or judgement on Obama when he didn’t show and instead going for a case on the merits. Remember, the Secretary of State is the ballot gatekeeper and if they would have taken the default judgement on Obama, it would gotten the Georgia SOS on the side of birthers.
i SWEAR i’m going to become a birther and file lawsuits
i can’t POSSIBLY do any WORSE than ZERO/123 and i can fly around the country on OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY
There are two kinds of Birthers: scuzzballs and scuzzball enablers.
Or gullible bigots and greedy bigots.
A default judgment in Georgia wouldn’t have helped the birthers. Obama wasn’t going to get any electoral votes in that state anyway, and a default win wouldn’t give them a precedent going forward. They had to gamble on a win.
I disagree that a default judgment would have influenced the Secretary of State. A default judgment is purely technical, and the court’s decision is purely advisory. Remember that Kemp’s top legal adviser is a former student of an Emory University law professor who wrote an article on citizenship that repudiates birther citizenship theory.
Yes, John. Keep dreaming.
ANY. DAY. NOW.
It would seem to me that you would be better served in financially supporting a birther-friendly candidate who actually has a chance of winning. Donating money to Taitz is as much a waste as donating to the Obama State Ballot Challenge.
Uggh. That sounds like my old job.
The Georgia SOS would not have had to taken the recommendation of the ALJ had the birfer attorneys taken the default. Obama would still have been on their ballot. There is nothing that these state ballot challenges can do to prevent him from running or winning another 4 year term. In fact, it is highly likely that they are helping Obama get re-elected.
John, birthers made a huge mistake by being wrong on every single claim. The Georgia administrative law judge was NOT going to award the plaintiffs with a default judgment and bar Obama from the ballot. That would have been contrary to facts.
If Dianne Feinstein were caught on the night before the election engaging in three-way sex with Alvin Onaka and Loretta Fuddy in the Hawaii Depart of Health vault where Obama’s birth certificate is stored, Orly Taitz would still lose to her. If, in a parallel universe, Orly were found to be correct and there does, in fact, exist a multi-decade, pan-continental conspiracy to install a Manchurian candidate as POTUS and Dianne Feinstein was found to have spearheaded said conspiracy, Orly Taitz would still not beat her in an election. If Dianne Feinstein died, and Orly Taitz were the only other living candidate in the election, she would still lose. But send her your money. I’d rather you waste it on a lost cause then send it to some tea-bagger who has a chance to win.
Thanks for the image…
*gets out the brain bleech*
Thinker: HYSTERICAL!!!!!
john: in what universe would congress listen to her? there are birthers in congress – at least ONE (posey) sponsored a bill in 09 –
Rep. John Carter (R-Texas), one of 12 co-sponsors, said in a statement to POLITICO’s Arena that the issue is now “finally resolved.” Carter said he was “disappointed that the president took this long to do so. This could and should have been done when the question was first raised.”
Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.), another co-sponsor: “I have never doubted that President Obama is a natural born citizen. Indeed, I agree with him that this issue has been a distraction from the important issues America faces ”
“Thinking of the persistence of Holocaust denial, despite a mountain – no, a mountain range – of evidence, I am inclined to doubt whether the production of evidence will make much difference,” linguistics expert Deborah Tannen said in Arena. “And given the ease with which documents can be falsified in the digital age, doubters have ever more reason to discount what is before their eyes.”
Longtime State Department official Aaron David Miller also doubted that releasing the birth certificate would kill the issue.
“What the birther movement reflected in essence had nothing to do with the birth certificate. It was (and is) a reaction to what far too many Americans believe is the alien quality of our 44th president (Barack Hussein Obama) and in their own mind his unacceptability … as president.”
John, to continue to dream the impossible dream … Other posters above have made it abundantly clear that Taitz won’t win — not even the Republican nomination. But in the impossible event of her victory, she would still need a majority of Congress to go along with her. And she’s been SOOOO successful in convincing members of the judicial branch, right?
Do you really believe she would know how to properly object? She would even mess it up if all she had to do was stand up and yell “objection”.
I was going to ask what universe these people live in. Then I realized they’ve been saying “any day now” and “our court actions are doing great” for almost 4 years now, so this level of delusion is nothing new,
While I don’t fall into the “Obama will definitely win re-election” camp that many people here do, I do admit that his prospects are still very good. I don’t think I’ve seen any poll that predicts anything more than Romney winning by a very small margin.
Congratulations on being the dumbest person on the planet.
There is no real “investigation”. If there were he wouldn’t need donations and he wouldn’t be having a “posse”, with no police powers, conducting it.
One more thought on the subject, John.
Do you ever recall a real “investigation” where the police announced they would be releasing more information…………….in a month or two?
Here’s the latest from the CBS affiliate in Phoenix…………..
http://www.kpho.com/story/17903888/arpaio-to-release-new-obama-eligibility-information
Once again Arpaio, Zullo and the “cold case posse” play the media and the public like a cheap fiddle.
“Once again Arpaio, Zullo and the “cold case posse” play the media and the public like a cheap fiddle.”
oh the media is not paying attention
it’s only IGNORANT FOOLS who are
arpaio said as much in his compaints
“I’m just doing what I took an oath of office to do,” Arpaio told the crowd assembled at the church. “The media won’t print it.”
Actrually the media are giving it the attention it deserves……very little.
1. What investigation?
2. Even if your fantasy were to come true, and Senator Taitz found a member of the House to join in her objection, Obama would be “stopped in his tracks” only for as long as it took the Senate and House to reject the objection.
But please go ahead and contribute to Orly’s campaign.
There is noway that the California Republican Party is going to allow Orly to be their nominee in November.
Says John
Focus on Orly Taitz’s Senate bid in CA – If Orly could win, she could actually stop Obama in his tracks with a objection to the Joint Session of Congress.
John, I know you won’t believe me here, but really you are making a fool of yourself. Everytime you post, you prove yourself to be COMPLETELY ignorant of facts and rules of law.
First off, don’t you know that the CA republican party refuse to support Orly and won’t have a thing to do with her. Without their support, her chances of winning dogcatcher are ZILCH!
Second, Orly would get creamed by Dianne Feinstein! You might think Orly someone worthy of respect, by trust me, no sensible CA voter does! Her antics and rhertoric turn people off and she can’t even win a case where the defendent doesn’t even show up!!
The woman is a fool and Dianne might like to run against her, but the CA republican party will never let that happen.
But, please keep on posting. You give the rest of us plenty to laugh about!
John, don’t forget to wipe your nose. Things will smell bad otherwise.
That’s the spirit. Might as well go for a complete losing streak eh?… You are surely a perfectionist…
Uh, nope… But that’s another story… People do not really understand the concept of a default judgment…. John appears to be no exception…
The thing is, Orly is the best known of any of the Republican candidates for Senate. For those who don’t know, the Senate ballot, like others in California, will list the candidates from all of the parties. The top two will advance to the November ballot. Feinstein is certain to be one of the two. Five Democrats, 14 Republicans, and four other candidates are fighting to be the other one. Given those odds, anyone could win the chance to lose to DiFi in the fall.
john:
REMEMBER
Following all the testimony, which took approximately two hours, Malihi gave the attorneys until Feb. 2 to submit supplemental briefs.
Nothing could do more for the Democrats than Orly Taitz as an official Republican candidate for Senate in California.
Came across some claims recently* that the Cali GOP is a disorganized, underfunded mess. Really? They put Arnold in the governor’s mansion. That wasn’t that long ago. Anyone have a feel for how they’re really doing?
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Consider that in 2010 their candidates for Governor and the Senate were Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina, two political neophytes, and their only declared candidate for the Senate who has any name recognition is Orly Taitz.
Can you think of any currently prominent California Republicans? There are just a few in the House of Representatives who are known outside of California.
I completely agree with you. She would make an ideal senator. If you start a website, I will write columns for you in support, without charge, and without reservations. You can find my e-mail from my profile.
Trying to reconstruct where the impression came from …. the coverage of the CA GOP convention seems to have been the culprit!
Scent of Death, Gingrich at California GOP Convention
(story from reason, links to various California sources)
Searching for California Republican Party gets a lot of the same. Maybe it really is that bleak.
Also came across this fun piece on Independent Voter:
Forget The Nomination: Ron Paul’s “Revolution” Is Taking Over The Republican Party
Ron Paul to win TX and CA! …. it’s a bit far-fetched.Would have to unite the libertarians with the religious right… would be quite a feat, creating the All-Over-the-Spectrum Coalition!