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The occasional open thread: I’m here and you’re not edition

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 11, 2012 at 4:17 pm #

    Who is “they?” How long is “a few days?”

    I’ve been listening to people rant like this stuff for years now. Do you think anybody listens?

    I’ll bet you $1,000 Obama is still in office on January 1, 2013.

    Geir Smith: I wonder why you think Obama’ll still be around in a few days. You do know they’re doing everything they can to jail him, don’t you? Obama’s toast – you do realize that don’t you? Stimulus, Obamacare? Gone. Obama’s next.

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    Thomas Brown April 11, 2012 at 5:39 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Who is “they?” How long is “a few days?”

    I’ve been listening to people rant like this stuff for years now. Do you think anybody listens?

    I’ll bet you $1,000 Obama is still in office on January 1, 2013.

    I’ll match it. So, Mr. Smith, you’re so all-fired sure the President will be arrested and removed from office, why not accept Doc’s and my bet? Sounds like am easy two grand to me.

    Or do you realize deep down that your impotent fantasies are as full of crap as the Christmas goose? In which case, how about you knock that BS off already?

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    Scientist April 11, 2012 at 6:13 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I’ll bet you $1,000 Obama is still in office on January 1, 2013

    I’ll bet he’s still in office on January 1, 2017. Since InTrade will cost you $6 to win $10, an even money bet is a good deal.

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    Bernard April 11, 2012 at 6:46 pm #

    I’m willing to bet that Obama is still in office on January 21st, 2013!

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    Geir Smith April 11, 2012 at 8:25 pm #

    Obama’s the Antichrist;
    He’ll fall in May.
    That’s the 1330 days of the Antichrist-Rule since his election in Nov. 2008.

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    Thomas Brown April 11, 2012 at 10:54 pm #

    Scientist: I’ll bet he’s still in office on January 1, 2017.Since InTrade will cost you $6 to win $10, an even money bet is a good deal.

    I wouldn’t make that bet; I only bet on a sure thing, or nearly so.

    Like BHO’s documents not being forged.

    Like this President not being removed from his office for any crime or lack of eligibility before Jan. 1, 2013.

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    Scientist April 12, 2012 at 7:58 am #

    Thomas Brown: I wouldn’t make that bet; I only bet on a sure thing, or nearly so

    Any thoughts on where I find someone to take the other side of a bet on a sure thing? In my experience with birthers they are absolutely sure that Obama’s documents are forged and that he will be gone in 30 days. They are as confident as a normal person is that the Sun will rise in the East tomorrow AM. Strangely, however, when it comes to putting actual cash on that proposition, they go silent. Now, I would happliy take the Sun bet and give 10:1, but they won’t put their money where their mouths are even if you give 10:1 in their favor.

    As for the bet on Obama’s re-election, as even money bet IS a sure thing. Say you find someone willing to bet $100 at even money. You make that bet and then go to InTrade and short $165 worth of Obama contracts. You will pocket $100 ($165 x 0.6). On election day, if Obama wins, you will collect $100 from the person you bet with and buy back the InTrade contracts for $165, for a net gain of $35. If Obama loses, the InTrade contract will be $0, so you won’t have to buy it back and you will simply pay off the bet with the $100 you got today from shorting on InTrade. So you would either make $35 or break even, but you couldn’t lose.

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    Thomas Brown April 12, 2012 at 8:26 am #

    Scientist: In my experience with birthers they are absolutely sure that Obama’s documents are forged and that he will be gone in 30 days.They are as confident as a normal person is that the Sun will rise in the East tomorrow AM.Strangely, however, when it comes to putting actual cash on that proposition, they go silent.

    As for the bet on Obama’s re-election, as even money bet IS a sure thing.Say you find someone willing to bet $100 at even money.You make that bet and then go to InTrade and short $165 worth of Obama contracts.You will pocket $100 ($165 x 0.6).On election day, if Obama wins, you will collect $100 from the person you bet with and buy back the InTrade contracts for $165, for a net gain of $35.If Obama loses, the InTrade contract will be $0, so you won’t have to buy it back and you will simply pay off the bet with the $100 you got today from shorting on InTrade.So you would either make $35 or break even, but you couldn’t lose.

    Good morning… and thanks for the explanation. Being neither a sophisticated gambler or investor, I wasn’t thinking about “shorting contracts.” In fact, I’m not even sure how that works. But if I understand your argument correctly, it does make mathematical sense.

    As far as getting a Birther to put his/her money where his/her mouth is, I haven’t had any luck either. But it does stop their yapping. Usually.

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    Scientist April 12, 2012 at 8:33 am #

    Thomas Brown: Being neither a sophisticated gambler or investor, I wasn’t thinking about “shorting contracts.” In fact, I’m not even sure how that works.

    A “short” is simply a bet that the particular asset (a stock, pork bellies, Obama’s re-election chances) will be cheaper in the future than it is today. To short, you borrow the asset and sell it immediately, pocketing today’s price. You then replace it at some future date buying it at what you hope will be a lower price. Of course, if the price goes up, your short will lose money.

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    Thomas Brown April 12, 2012 at 9:14 am #

    Got it. Someone once explained shorting commodities to me (like 30 years ago), so it’s starting to sound familiar.

    Had no idea you could do that at InTrade. Now you’ve got me thinking.

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    misha April 12, 2012 at 1:24 pm #

    Thomas Brown: Had no idea you could do that at InTrade.

    Intrade has Obama at 60.7%, and Romney being elected prez at 38.1%, as I write.

    I treat Intrade as a poll. They have an accuracy better than 90%.

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    y_p_w April 12, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

    Scientist: A “short” is simply a bet that the particular asset (a stock, pork bellies, Obama’s re-election chances) will be cheaper in the future than it is today. To short, you borrow the asset and sell it immediately, pocketing today’s price. You then replace it at some future date buying it at what you hope will be a lower price. Of course, if the price goes up, your short will lose money.

    http://www.wisebread.com/explaining-the-climax-scene-of-trading-places

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    Thrifty April 12, 2012 at 6:23 pm #

    I would suggest you go to a Birther site and see if you can get any takers there, but they’re pretty heavily censored. I’d just wait around here and start trying to get some of the Birthers that come here to take your bet. We certainly have a good supply of them.

    Scientist: Any thoughts on where I find someone to take the other side of a bet on a sure thing?

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    US Citizen April 13, 2012 at 12:55 am #

    So now that the GOP front runner is Romney with a dad born in Mexico, where will the birthers take us now?

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    Lupin April 13, 2012 at 3:20 am #

    When GOP Senators Go Wild:

    The only reason they can’t impeach the islamofascist communist Kenyan n****r is simply because THEY DON’T (YET) HAVE THE VOTES:

    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/gop-congressman-we-cant-impeach-obama-because-we-dont-have-the-votes-yet.php

    How I yearn for the good old days when John McCain actually tried to educate the lunatics in his party.

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    Geir Smith April 13, 2012 at 3:48 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Who is “they?” How long is “a few days?”

    I’ve been listening to people rant like this stuff for years now. Do you think anybody listens?

    I’ll bet you $1,000 Obama is still in office on January 1, 2013.

    I think Arpaio’s got an agenda for taking down Obama. He’ll not flub this case. He’s been doing the same job as this for 50 pus years and can take down criminals in any which way, easily.

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    Greenfinches April 13, 2012 at 5:09 am #

    It gets me that this congressman seems to regard it as a concession on his part to remove Obama from office via the ballot box!

    I have to challenge him tho on his suggestion that the Republicans in Congress aren’t mad enough to go for impeachment. I think they are mad enough for anything……………

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    Lupin April 13, 2012 at 5:56 am #

    Geir Smith (from previous open thread): “The Bible says the Antichrist is a Man from Nowhere i.e. with no past. He’s the Great Deceiver. A fraud.”

    That seems to describe Mitt Romney rather well, I think.

    Except the Antichrist bit, of course.

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    mheuss April 13, 2012 at 6:16 am #

    Doc – I hate to contradict you, but by every metric that I put to use confirms that it is I who is here, and you who is not.

    Interesting, indeed.

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    Greenfinches April 13, 2012 at 6:24 am #

    mheuss: by every metric that I put to use confirms that it is I who is here, and you who is not.

    I am sorry, and don’t wish to be difficult, but the only person here – is me.

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    Rambo Ike April 13, 2012 at 7:03 am #

    US Citizen: So now that the GOP front runner is Romney with a dad born in Mexico, where will the birthers take us now?

    I for one hope that the Birthers continue their 4 year honest quest to make all candidates provide proof of eligibility to be on the party tickets for the presidency, and not act like their opposition has over that same time period.

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    Northland10 April 13, 2012 at 7:05 am #

    Greenfinches: I am sorry, and don’t wish to be difficult, but the only person here – is me.

    No matter where you go, there you are.

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    Paper April 13, 2012 at 7:21 am #

    Everybody quick, apply your Walrus filters:

    “I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together”

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    Keith April 13, 2012 at 7:49 am #

    Northland10: No matter where you go, there you are.

    And we’ve been there all along.

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    bovril April 13, 2012 at 8:16 am #

    You are all figments of my imagination caused by too much blood in my alcohol stream

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    Lupin April 13, 2012 at 8:39 am #

    Birthers are clearly outperformed by baboons:

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h3qodE8DPv1Oe-FxDamZaUjmveqg?docId=81a6e4c0da134e52beba3ea7510bf51e

    But I’m told they’re still ahead of slugs.

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    donna April 13, 2012 at 8:51 am #

    today’s LOON-ACY

    “Taking an audacious and shocking angle against the constitutional eligibility mandate, Obama’s lawyer, Alexandra Hill, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and made the absurd claim that, therefore, it cannot be used as evidence to confirm his lack of natural born citizenship status. Therefore, she argued, it is “irrelevant to his placement on the ballot”.

    Hill went on to contort reasoning by implying that Obama needs only invoke his political popularity, not legal qualifications, in order to be a candidate.”

    http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2015/855/Obama_Lawyer_Admits_Forgery_But_Disregards_image_As_Indication_Of_Obama_s_Ineligibility.html

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    donna April 13, 2012 at 8:53 am #

    the birthers arrived in egypt

    the mother of the presidential candidate, azem Salah Abu Ismail, who is to the RIGHT of the mu slim brother hood, is an american citizen

    so he may be ineligible

    we, therefore, in birtherstan, are kenya

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    Paper April 13, 2012 at 9:07 am #

    Must see: Jon Stewart last night on the Egyptian Birther laugh-fest (proud use of democracy!). No time to look up the link right now, but indeed how can one trust a candidate for president in Egypt who was born in Santa Monica!?

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    ASK Esq April 13, 2012 at 9:32 am #

    Northland10: No matter where you go, there you are.

    But what IS that watermelon doing there?

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    JPotter April 13, 2012 at 9:37 am #

    Haven’t seen the piece yet, but I sure did enjoy the piece on Okieland the other night …. one of our DINO state legislators proposed a bill outlawing the misuse of sperm! Sperm would only be allowed to exist in two places (guess which two).

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-11-2012/bro-choice

    Okieland was once socio-populist, then Southern Democratic, and remains radically deep Red. But there is a good chunk of the populace that insists on voting Democratic, apparently only because Republican is a dirty word. Looking in fromt he outside, it looks really weird at times. If you need any further confirmation that today’s Reds are just last centuries Blues, look no farther.

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    Arthur April 13, 2012 at 9:51 am #

    Many poster are probably aware that Misha endorses Newark Mayor Cory Booker . Seems as if Misha’s endorsement is well founded:

    Newark Mayor Cory Booker taken to hospital after rescuing woman from house fire
    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/newark_mayor_cory_booker_taken.html

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    Sef April 13, 2012 at 9:57 am #

    Northland10: No matter where you go, there you are.

    I used to be there, but I’m here now.

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    Thrifty April 13, 2012 at 10:08 am #

    I seem to recall that when Clinton was impeached, nobody thought they had anything close to the votes to convict. That didn’t stop them.

    Lupin:
    When GOP Senators Go Wild:

    The only reason they can’t impeach the islamofascist communist Kenyan n****r is simply because THEY DON’T (YET) HAVE THE VOTES:

    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/gop-congressman-we-cant-impeach-obama-because-we-dont-have-the-votes-yet.php

    How I yearn for the good old days when John McCain actually tried to educate the lunatics in his party.

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    Jack April 13, 2012 at 10:21 am #

    Well I suspect the big lie has won out. That or samantics.

    Around the time Clinton said ” I don’t think America is ready for a president called Barack HUSSAIN Obama”

    She also made a small Dog whistle to the racists that had supported her up to that stage. (And lets not pretend they did not exist)
    She did not say ” Obama not american? that’s complete lie, it’s silly. foolish to say so.
    No she did not.
    She rather did the opposite.
    I can’t find the clip. I am no conspiracy theory fan and I don’t believe that BArack threatened them . (for starters until he won the election he was not as powerful as the Clintons)
    The Tea party was WronG Paul fans and pissed off Clintonites .

    It would be useful to accept that because while we deny it we will have problems

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    The Magic M April 13, 2012 at 11:36 am #

    Just wanted to share a part of one of my comments over on WND, for those who’d like a laugh or at least a smirk this close to the week-end. 😉

    –quote–

    I bet in 100 years from now, there will still be birthers going: “Son, do you remember we once had an ineligible President? No, they never found out or indicted him or anything, it was only in my deceased grandfather’s diary. Right next to his photograph of Bigfoot. It didn’t understand all of it, something of a ‘Darth Vattel’ and two citizen parrots, it wasn’t all legible. And the GOP was in on it!” – “What’s a ‘GOP’, daddy?”

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    Sef April 13, 2012 at 11:46 am #

    The Magic M:
    Just wanted to share a part of one of my comments over on WND, for those who’d like a laugh or at least a smirk this close to the week-end.

    –quote–

    I bet in 100 years from now, there will still be birthers going: “Son, do you remember we once had an ineligible President? No, they never found out or indicted him or anything, it was only in my deceased grandfather’s diary. Right next to his photograph of Bigfoot. It didn’t understand all of it, something of a ‘Darth Vattel’ and two citizen parrots, it wasn’t all legible. And the GOP was in on it!” – “What’s a GOP’, daddy?”

    LOL! And what was the reception at WND?

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    Rickey April 13, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    From the just-closed open thread:

    katahdin April 12, 2012 at 10:33 pm #

    President Obama actually has five brothers, one of whom is deceased, as well as two sisters. His oldest brother, whose name is Ray if I remember correctly, served as best man at his wedding.

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    President Obama doesn’t have a brother.

    To be precise, President Obama has only half-siblings. I count four half-brothers (one of whom is dead), two alleged but unproven half-brothers, and two half-sisters.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama#Paternal_relations

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    Rickey April 13, 2012 at 11:57 am #

    Jack:

    Around the time Clinton said ” I don’t think America is ready for a president called Barack HUSSAIN Obama”

    I can’t find any confirmation that Clinton ever said that. Do you have a source?

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    justlw April 13, 2012 at 11:58 am #

    The president released his 2011 tax returns today, which means a new PDF to obsess over.

    I took a look at it; structure-wise, it’s extremely simple. No bitmasks [or “layers” as they say in Birferstan], no “Derek’s PDF,” no Quartz — it’s basically just one JPG image per page.

    I find this to be highly suspicious.

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    Judge Mental April 13, 2012 at 12:10 pm #

    Thomas Brown: I wouldn’t make that bet; I only bet on a sure thing, or nearly so.Like BHO’s documents not being forged.Like this President not being removed from his office for any crime or lack of eligibility before Jan. 1, 2013.

    Here’s as close to a sure thing as you ever going to get. Find as many Obama haters as you can willing to bet with their heart instead of their head (there are plenty). Take as many straight 1/1 bets as you can with them that a Democrat will win the Presidential election.

    Then go online where the online bookies will currently give you 2/1 odds against a Republican win in the Presidential election. Stake an appropriate amount on a Republican win at 2/1 odds and you can guarantee a profit of approx 20% on your total overall outlay irrespective of whether a Democrat or Republican wins.

    Why would the Obama haters bet with you at 1/1 instead of going out to get the 2/1 available online? There’s no one-size-fits-all answer to why they do it, but I already have a bulging ‘book’ of bets on it which shows that many do.

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    justlw April 13, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

    Rickey: I can’t find any confirmation that Clinton ever said that. Do you have a source?

    It’s the B-side to Michelle Obama’s “Whitey” recording.

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    Scientist April 13, 2012 at 12:21 pm #

    justlw: The president released his 2011 tax returns today, which means a new PDF to obsess over.I took a look at it; structure-wise, it’s extremely simple. No bitmasks [or “layers” as they say in Birferstan], no “Derek’s PDF,” no Quartz — it’s basically just one JPG image per page.I find this to be highly suspicious.

    I don’t know how the President’s accountants do his returns, but I downloaded pdfs from the IRS and simply filled in the #s on the appropriate lines. So, of course there are no layers. That’s a quite different situation from scanning a paper document.

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    justlw April 13, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    Scientist: So, of course there are no layers. That’s a quite different situation from scanning a paper document.

    (Well, if you’re going to get all serious about it…)

    It has his, Michelle’s and their CPA’s signature, as well as hand-written dates. Apparently his accountants are old school.

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    JPotter April 13, 2012 at 12:39 pm #

    Scientist: I don’t know how the President’s accountants do his returns, but I downloaded pdfs from the IRS and simply filled in the #s on the appropriate lines. So, of course there are no layers. That’s a quite different situation from scanning a paper document.

    Those PDFs would be composed of vector objects. Lots, and lots of vector objects.

    All the President’s Men are using paper forms?!? Suspicious indeed.

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    JPotter April 13, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    Arthur: Many poster are probably aware that Misha endorses Newark Mayor Cory Booker . Seems as if Misha’s endorsement is well founded: Newark Mayor Cory Booker taken to hospital after rescuing woman from house firehttp://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/newark_mayor_cory_booker_taken.html

    I heard this story too! man, sometimes life just drops on in a guy’s lap! “Cory Booker … He’ll Save Your Grandma From a Fire.”

    I heard he was having a presser today about it, which seems to be milking it. I hope he has something good to say, and is just reassuring everyone he’s OK and on the job. Throw in an inspirational, “We’re all in this together” message and he’s golden.

    Until it’s revealed hs security detail set the fire, and teh whole thing was staged. Burns are makeup. doctor was paid, etc. Jersey Reichstag!

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    jayHG April 13, 2012 at 12:55 pm #

    donna: today’s LOON-ACY“Taking an audacious and shocking angle against the constitutional eligibility mandate, Obama’s lawyer, Alexandra Hill, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and made the absurd claim that, therefore, it cannot be used as evidence to confirm his lack of natural born citizenship status. Therefore, she argued, it is “irrelevant to his placement on the ballot”.Hill went on to contort reasoning by implying that Obama needs only invoke his political popularity, not legal qualifications, in order to be a candidate.”http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2015/855/Obama_Lawyer_Admits_Forgery_But_Disregards_image_As_Indication_Of_Obama_s_Ineligibility.html

    President Obama’s attorney never admitted that an image on the internet was a forgery. She simply said she wasn’t saying or admitting any document into evidence in this ALJ hearing. So now birthers just MAKE STUFF UP and don’t even consider that someone might read an actual transcript of a hearing???? Or do they just HOPE that you don’t read it and just take their word for it that what they say is actually what happened…….stupid, dumb birfers…….

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    jayHG April 13, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

    justlw: The president released his 2011 tax returns today, which means a new PDF to obsess over.I took a look at it; structure-wise, it’s extremely simple. No bitmasks [or “layers” as they say in Birferstan], no “Derek’s PDF,” no Quartz — it’s basically just one JPG image per page.I find this to be highly suspicious.

    Is there a smiley face???

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    nbc April 13, 2012 at 1:14 pm #

    Jack: Well I suspect the big lie has won out. That or samantics.

    Or spell checking? 😉

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    JPotter April 13, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

    Judge Mental: Here’s as close to a sure thing as you ever going to get.

    Judge, I hope you aren’t making bets with birthers. They’re habitual welchers. 😉

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    Judge Mental April 13, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

    JPotter: Judge, I hope you aren’t making bets with birthers. They’re habitual welchers.

    I’m sure you’re right JP but none of the guys in question are birthers as such (though one or two had doubts up to long form copy publishing). They are just committed Republicans or Libertarians and we have ongoing action on other ‘sports’ during the year. So far no non payers (including me, unfortunately not all betting as easy as this subject and I’ve been known to lose).

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    Rickey April 13, 2012 at 1:50 pm #

    Remember when Chris Strunk was promising us that his lawsuit against the New York State Board of Elections was going to get him discovery? Well, the suit was dismissed by Judge Schack in Kings County Supreme Court on Wednesday. Chris promises to appeal, of course.

    http://obamaballotchallenge.com/update-on-ny-strunk-vs-nys-board-of-elections-case

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    misha April 13, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

    Jack: That or samantics.

    nbc: Or spell checking?

    No, “Jack” is referring to words that concern Sam.

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    justlw April 13, 2012 at 2:04 pm #

    jayHG: Is there a smiley face???

    The accountant’s signature is “L. I. N. Tamer.” Is that anything?

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    justlw April 13, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    I was hoping it was related to the meaning of sammiches.

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    gorefan April 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

    JPotter: Until it’s revealed his security detail set the fire, and the whole thing was staged.

    “He paid her to save her.”

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    Thomas Brown April 13, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

    justlw:
    I was hoping it was related to the meaning of sammiches.

    My Auntie makes great sammiches. One problem: she’s Auntie Semantic.

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    misha April 13, 2012 at 3:35 pm #

    Thomas Brown: My Auntie makes great sammiches.One problem: she’s Auntie Semantic.

    One problem: she’s Auntie Semantic. [bada-bing]

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    Dave B. April 13, 2012 at 4:12 pm #

    I nominate for quote of the day this gem from Mario Apuzzo, in an interview quoted in the Red Bank-Shrewsbury Patch:
    “How can they expect us to do something that the law doesn’t allow for?”
    http://redbank.patch.com/articles/judge-rules-against-obama-objectors

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    Joey April 13, 2012 at 4:14 pm #

    Northland10: No matter where you go, there you are.

    This is NOT true. Every place that I go, I’m not there.

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    Arthur April 13, 2012 at 4:22 pm #

    More outrageous lying courtesey of The Daily Pen. http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/

    Discussing Purpura v. Obama, David Crosby falsely claims that attorney Alexandra Hill, “made a desperate motion to dismiss the ballot objection arguing that Obama’s lack of natural-born citizenship status was not relevant to being placed on the New Jersey presidential ballot because no law exists in New Jersey which says that a candidate’s appearance on the ballot must be supported by evidence of natural born citizenship status. Only the U.S. constitution restricts eligibility to hold the office of president to natural born citizens.”

    What Hill actually argued in regard to the president’s B.C. is that the image displayed on the web is not a legal document, while the official paper document is a legal document.

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    misha April 13, 2012 at 4:49 pm #

    Arthur: Many poster are probably aware that Misha endorses Newark Mayor Cory Booker . Seems as if Misha’s endorsement is well founded: Newark Mayor Cory Booker taken to hospital after rescuing woman from house fire

    It’s a huge story here in Philly. Booker was elected president of the Jewish student’s association during the time he spent at Oxford. I still predict Booker will be elected after Obama. He already has my vote. Philly is 80% registered Democrats.

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    Dave B. April 13, 2012 at 4:58 pm #

    Doc, you must know that the lonesomest place in the world is down in Louisiana– is that where you is at?

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    Thrifty April 13, 2012 at 5:11 pm #

    So he has 2 brothers and 2 sisters. Geeze, didn’t you ever learn fractions?

    Rickey: To be precise, President Obama has only half-siblings. I count four half-brothers (one of whom is dead), two alleged but unproven half-brothers, and two half-sisters.

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    Majority Will April 13, 2012 at 5:23 pm #

    Thrifty:
    So he has 2 brothers and 2 sisters.Geeze, didn’t you ever learn fractions?

    But that depends on whether or not and how well the halves match and how they were bisected.

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    justlw April 13, 2012 at 5:30 pm #

    Arthur: Discussing Purpura v. Obama, David Crosby falsely claims

    Wow, first Joe Walsh, now David Crosby? Déj vu, man.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2012 at 5:31 pm #

    And I just got my refund. Doc C does the happy dance like Snoopy.

    justlw: The president released his 2011 tax returns today, which means a new PDF to obsess over.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2012 at 5:38 pm #

    Were you present when Obama was born?

    mheuss: Doc – I hate to contradict you, but by every metric that I put to use confirms that it is I who is here, and you who is not.

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    Dave B. April 13, 2012 at 5:39 pm #

    Hey, justlw, we have all been here before.

  70. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 13, 2012 at 5:43 pm #

    On recalls that WND published an article back in October of 2009 titled, “Is it time to whisper the word ‘impeachment’?” that said:

    The key phrase here is “high crimes and misdemeanors,” a concept in English common law well-known to our Founding Fathers, but grossly misunderstood in this day and age. “High crimes and misdemeanors” essentially means bad behavior….
    In other words, “high crimes and misdemeanors” does not refer to a criminal act. Our Founding Fathers fully intended to allow for the removal of the president for actions which include: gross incompetence, negligence and distasteful behavior. …
    Impeachment is no more or less than the recall of an elected official who isn’t up to the job.

    Greenfinches: It gets me that this congressman seems to regard it as a concession on his part to remove Obama from office via the ballot box!

  71. avatar
    Arthur April 13, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    justlw: Wow, first Joe Walsh, now David Crosby? Déj vu, man.

    And don’t forget Ted Nugent and that guy from Megadeth.

  72. avatar
    Arthur April 13, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    Dave B.: Hey, justlw, we have all been here before.

    Great CSNY reference.

  73. avatar
    The Magic M April 13, 2012 at 6:39 pm #

    Joey: This is NOT true. Every place that I go, I’m not there.

    “Before I’ve arrived, I can see myself coming”
    (Robbie Williams, “Feel”)

  74. avatar
    Daniel April 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    And I just got my refund. Doc C does the happy dance like Snoopy.

    Floppy ears and spots?

  75. avatar
    The Magic M April 13, 2012 at 6:42 pm #

    Sef: LOL! And what was the reception at WND?

    Irony is lost on them. I might as well have written it in Chinese, but I speak irony better. My girlfriend is from Ironica, just south of the Sarcasmian border.

  76. avatar
    The Magic M April 13, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

    Geir Smith: He’ll fall in May.
    That’s the 1330 days of the Antichrist-Rule since his election in Nov. 2008.

    And if he doesn’t (he won’t), you’ll explain to us that you misspoke and meant to say the 1330 days count from inauguration day? Or, true Harold Camping style, that he indeed has fallen and just nobody has noticed it?

    I know that the average wingnut never gets tired of making prophecies that never materialize, but how does that feel for you? Do you doubt your Bible? Or your skills of understanding it? Ever?
    At some point, wouldn’t you have to become the founder of the Church of Obama, given that he is obviously so powerful that all your biblical prophecies just fail when it comes to him. Hmmm…

  77. avatar
    misha April 13, 2012 at 7:13 pm #

    The Magic M: My girlfriend is from Ironica, just south of the Sarcasmian border.

    Don’t forget about Teflondia And Souvlakia:
    http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i41495

  78. avatar
    J. Potter April 13, 2012 at 8:29 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: And I just got my refund. Doc C does the happy dance like Snoopy.

    And I just refiled my taxes in response to a letter from the IRS rejects team. Rejected by The Man.

    Turns out my employer didn’t withhold on all my wages and reported that via a 1099. So I may have refiled on company time 😉 Now to bill them for the time value of the delay of the refund … undue mental stress and emotional damages …. heh.

    Congrats on the refund. Yes, birthers, that is this week’s code for “the check from Soros hit the bank. Chips’n’salsa all around!”

  79. avatar
    Jamese777 April 13, 2012 at 10:22 pm #

    “Before I’ve arrived, I can see myself coming”

    Ew!

  80. avatar
    Joey April 13, 2012 at 10:47 pm #

    I wonder if President Obama knows about/pays any attention to the fact that Republican Secretaries of State are being forced into the embarrassing position of having to approve his name on states’ ballots due to these ballot challenges!
    If I were him, at least a smile would cross my face every time that happens. Yesterday it was the Republican Lieutenant Governor/Secretary of State of New Jersey, Kimberly McFadden Guadagno approving the President for the ballot in that state.

  81. avatar
    J. Potter April 13, 2012 at 11:55 pm #

    The Magic M: At some point, wouldn’t you have to become the founder of the Church of Obama, given that he is obviously so powerful that all your biblical prophecies just fail when it comes to him. Hmmm…

    Heehee, reminds me of the classic OT title bout: Elijah v. Prophets at Baal at Mt. Carmel. 1 Kings 18:17–40. No doubt every birther’s fantasy. To go to The Man, show him up with The Truth (the unpopular, long-repressed Real Truth*) … and then kill all those pesky naysayers who mocked them all along. But not personally–no, birthers don’t do responsibility. They’d outsource it, just like Elijah did.

    And so we see the birthers, dancing around the altar, exhorting themselves … Silly birthers, want to be Elijah, but they’re playing the wrong part! They’ve been Baal’d! 😀

    * Where there’s a persecution complex, there’s ‘secret knowledge’. Or is it the other way’round? 😉

  82. avatar
    Geir Smith April 14, 2012 at 4:34 am #

    The Magic M: And if he doesn’t (he won’t), you’ll explain to us that you misspoke and meant to say the 1330 days count from inauguration day? Or, true Harold Camping style, that he indeed has fallen and just nobody has noticed it?

    I know that the average wingnut never gets tired of making prophecies that never materialize, but how does that feel for you? Do you doubt your Bible? Or your skills of understanding it? Ever?
    At some point, wouldn’t you have to become the founder of the Church of Obama, given that he is obviously so powerful that all your biblical prophecies just fail when it comes to him. Hmmm…

    Doc’s always as twisted, he stopped my posting privileges for twenty four hours and he’s trying to hold out as long as he can til Obama falls. He’s sick in the head and he knows how sick he is. He’s a demonic working for Satan directly.

    I told everyone that I’m traveling with limited Internet access. You are hereby banned. Doc.

  83. avatar
    Geir Smith April 14, 2012 at 4:41 am #

    Another thread where we talk about Obama’s Jewish family Doc Obot here has totally stopped me from posting.
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/the-occasional-open-thread-deliver-us-from-evil-edition/
    What’re you hiding Doc? Obama’s Jewish? Well f**k Obama.

  84. avatar
    Arthur April 14, 2012 at 8:20 am #

    Surprising news at Obama Release Your Records. ORYR posted without question Dan Crosby’s article from The Daily Pen, that falsely stated attorney Alexandra Hill “admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and made the absurd claim that, therefore, it cannot be used as evidence to confirm his lack of natural born citizenship status.”

    After several commentators pointed out that Hill never said what Crosby alleged, and that the video tape of the hearing proves it, ORYR acknowleged that Crosby was wrong:

    “UPDATE: After re-watching the 3+ hour hearing there is no admission that the birth certificate is a forgery by Obama’s paid lackey. Where Dan Crosby heard that who knows. You will have to follow the link and ask him.”

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/04/obama-lawyer-admits-forgery-but.html

  85. avatar
    Keith April 14, 2012 at 8:23 am #

    Misha you naughty dog lover you., You messing with Mitt’s Wikipedia page?

    GOP Primary: Wikipedia Edits Tell Story Of GOP Presidential Primary Candidates

    😎

  86. avatar
    Geir Smith April 14, 2012 at 11:30 am #

    Can anyone comment on the flooding of Congress by Birthers with calls to open a probe into Obama’s birth issue as demanded by Sheriff Joe? If they reach 50000 calls in two days do you think that can effect Congress? Does Congress have to act upon being solicited like that or can they just act like nothing’s happening and turn a deaf ear? Are they really accountable or can they act like fre agents? Once they’re elected can they do just as they like? It depends on the reelection I guess and how much money they can make by voting one way or the other. Taht’s politics. They’re out after the next buck coming their way. They all have garages to build and vacations to pay. That’s life. Life is good when you’re at the receving end. Enjoy it before heading to heaven or maybe hell for a few of them, if they’re criminals alongside their bribery.

    http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/2022/995/Congress_Listening_Tens_Of_Thousands_Calling.html

  87. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 14, 2012 at 12:29 pm #

    I moved a bunch of off-topic remarks from the “Tabloid” article to here.

  88. avatar
    Greenfinches April 14, 2012 at 12:32 pm #

    Do you know, I am still here – and nobody else is!

    Meanwhile, on another planet, the former Archbishop of Canterbury has declared that Christians are persecuted in the UK, vilified by the courts – the poor dears. Can’t wear a cross on a chain round your neck = persecution, it seems.

    Me I blame the US for starting with this nonsense. Was it Glenn Beck who argued this?

  89. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 14, 2012 at 12:41 pm #

    The Constitution guarantees Americans the right to petition Congress, and Congress may ignore them. Millions of Americans believe all sorts of crank things. One would hope that Congress has folks that are mostly operating in the real world.

    However, based on what has happened in the past, I would expect that a very few calls are actually being made.

    [Note: I banned Geir, so he can’t reply.]

    Geir Smith: Can anyone comment on the flooding of Congress by Birthers with calls to open a probe into Obama’s birth issue as demanded by Sheriff Joe? If they reach 50000 calls in two days do you think that can effect Congress? Does Congress have to act upon being solicited like that or can they just act like nothing’s happening and turn a deaf ear? Are they really accountable or can they act like fre agents?

  90. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 14, 2012 at 12:53 pm #

    Crosby probably has enough frequent liar miles for a trip around the world.

    Arthur: “UPDATE: After re-watching the 3+ hour hearing there is no admission that the birth certificate is a forgery by Obama’s paid lackey. Where Dan Crosby heard that who knows. You will have to follow the link and ask him.”

  91. avatar
    J. Potter April 14, 2012 at 1:39 pm #

    There is a new (new to me at least) evolutionary development in birtherism that has surfaced on the Amazon forums, a hybrid strain! Combining:

    1. The white supremacist / “Southern Heritage” / State Rights’ alternative interpretation of the 14th amendment (including the idea that it was never ratified).
    2. “Sovereign Citizen” misconception memes, including the idea that US citizenship is a deceitful contract that citizens of states are tricked into entering into.
    3. Good old Vattelly birtherism in all its vainglory.
    4. Fraud/forgery birtherism, including PDF Madness.

    The unifying position is best summed up in hermitian’s statement here:

    “The drafters of the Constitution did not require that candidates for the office of President be U. S. citizens. Instead they required the candidate to be a natural-born citizen of two citizen parents in one of the states.”

    So far the only known carrier is known troll and meme mangler “hermitian”. I don’t know where he caught it, maybe some of you have come across this before? I am sure it isn’t original to him. He’s been running in this vein for about a week.

    Bitherism is growing up, and going back to its roots! Being incorporated into larger, older, more established crank theories. No doubt it will be kept on hand and trotted out on demand for decades to come. Particularly as the country continues to diversify, and the dreaded White Minority of Teddy Roosevelt’s day comes to pass.

    Something to look forward to.

  92. avatar
    RuhRoh April 14, 2012 at 2:04 pm #

    @JPotter, the more “Hermitian Henry” comments you read, the more obvious it becomes that he is a SovCit subscriber.

    I really don’t think there are any birthers who don’t believe in at least two other conspiracy theories.

  93. avatar
    BillTheCat April 14, 2012 at 2:36 pm #

    Geir Smith:
    Another thread where we talk about Obama’s Jewish family Doc Obot here has totally stopped me from posting.
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/the-occasional-open-thread-deliver-us-from-evil-edition/
    What’re you hiding Doc? Obama’s Jewish? Well f**k Obama.

    Wait, so now you are racist as well? Color me unsurprised. We all know what the core of birtherism is.

  94. avatar
    Joe Acerbic April 14, 2012 at 2:45 pm #

    Judge Mental: Here’s as close to a sure thing as you ever going to get. Find as many Obama haters as you can willing to bet with their heart instead of their head (there are plenty). Take as many straight 1/1 bets as you can with them that a Democrat will win the Presidential election.

    Then go online where the online bookies will currently give you 2/1 odds against a Republican win in the Presidential election…

    I think I see one fairly fatal flaw in that plan: it assumes that the Obama haters have some integrity that would make them admit that they were wrong, they lost and they’re going to pay up.

  95. avatar
    misha April 14, 2012 at 3:28 pm #

    Geir Smith: Another thread where we talk about Obama’s Jewish family Doc Obot here has totally stopped me from posting. What’re you hiding Doc? Obama’s Jewish? Well f**k Obama.

    I have to compliment you for your articulate comments like “Well f**k Obama.” Your command of English is outstanding.

    “What’re you hiding Doc? Obama’s Jewish?” President Obama does not have any Jewish blood, and I say that as an officer in the International Jewish Conspiracy™.

    Michelle Robinson-Obama may have a paternal great-grandmother who was Jewish, and her 1st cousin once removed, is the rabbi of an Ethiopian congregation in Chicago.

    I know I have written that before, but it does not seem to register with you.

    Thank you for your premise. It shows what we have been saying from day one. Intrade has Obama at 60.7%. Better get used to it.

  96. avatar
    richCares April 14, 2012 at 3:43 pm #

    Misha, as for Gier Smith, some time ago he was ranting on Obama being the Anti-Christ, I remined him how they prayed he would not get the nomination, he was nominated, they prayed hw would not be elected, he was elected, they prayed for rain on his acceptance speech, it was a beautiful day. It appears that God is on Obama’s side, that drove Gier crazy. LOL

  97. avatar
    Bernard April 14, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

    It appears that there are competing opinions on which candidate is the Anti-Christ:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up9VXukTNLo

  98. avatar
    J. Potter April 14, 2012 at 4:16 pm #

    Geir Smith: Well f**k Obama.

    Hey, that’s whatmy boss said about Obama, too!

    But he doesn’t claim to be whatever Smith claims to be. “Only Honest Liar Fighting Our Duly Elected, Perfectly Eligible President” or whatever it was?

  99. avatar
    misha April 14, 2012 at 4:25 pm #

    Bernard: It appears that there are competing opinions on which candidate is the Anti-Christ:

    They are all wrong. None of them is Jewish, and the anti-Christ will be Jewish. Just ask Falwell’s son, and John Hagee.

  100. avatar
    J. Potter April 14, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

    What happened to the good old days when everyone knew the antichrist would be the pope?

    Poor word has been abused to mean little more than ‘bogeyman’.

  101. avatar
    Joe Acerbic April 14, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

    J. Potter:
    Poor word has been abused to mean little more than bogeyman’.

    The same with “communist”, “socialist” and many others. It’s the republican War on Vocabulary.

  102. avatar
    misha April 14, 2012 at 5:42 pm #

    Joe Acerbic: It’s the republican War on Vocabulary.

    It’s the Republican war on education, reproductive freedom, public schools, science, the 1st Amendment…

    Here’s Huckabee, who also condones torturing animals: “I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that’s what we need to do — to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards.”

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    Northland10 April 14, 2012 at 5:54 pm #

    misha: They are all wrong. None of them is Jewish, and the anti-Christ will be Jewish. Just ask Falwell’s son, and John Hagee.

    If the anti-Christ, man of sin, the beast, the abomination, etc., is supposed to be, in part, a false teacher which leads followers astray, wouldn’t it be an odd choice for the false teacher to be from another faith? This is the same twisted logic used by the Birthers when they try to scream the vast conspiracy to take over the world by installing a black man with a funny name. One would think that a conspiracy would take some pains to install a puppet that people that might give credence as easily to a “foreign control”, at least in the beginning, lest their conspiracy be noticed. In short, evil can only come from those who are different from them.

  104. avatar
    RuhRoh April 14, 2012 at 5:55 pm #

    misha: It’s the Republican war on education, reproductive freedom, public schools, science, the 1st Amendment…Here’s Huckabee, who also condones torturing animals: “I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that’s what we need to do — to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards.”

    Still one of the scariest statements a candidate for POTUS has EVER made.

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    donna April 14, 2012 at 6:36 pm #

    egyptian birthers won

    Brotherhood’s Shater, Salafi Abu Ismail and Suleiman ruled out

    Abu Ismail’s candidacy has been in doubt since the election commission said it had received notification from U.S. authorities that his late mother had an American passport, a status that would disqualify him from the race.

  106. avatar
    JD Reed April 14, 2012 at 7:05 pm #

    Just when you might suppose no one could top Birtherstan’s record of chutzpah and breathtaking arrogance to date, someone comes along and tops it. I refer to the resolution sparked by the Surprise Tea Party directing “Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett to send a certified letter to Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, requesting that she produce certified source documents that are satisfactory to the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office that positively identify the U.S. natural born citizenship and the Selective Service System registration of Barack Hussein Obama, II. ”
    “Satisfactory to the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office!”
    Demanding that a public official with a spotless reputation for integrity be given this kind of power would be entirely extra-legal and outrageous, and totally unenforceable from the get-go. But to give it to someone like Arpaio, who’s under such an ethical cloud and may face serious legal repercussions of his own – words fail me.
    This spotlights one of the many logical failings of the birthers: they think they’re morally entitled to more than they’re legally entitled to under the law and the constitution.
    No free self-government can function this way.
    If someone is morally entitled to more than the law allows them, then someone else is morally entitled to less. In this instance, it would be President Obama.
    All that’s required of Mr. Obama legally and constitutionally is that he qualify for the ballots of the 50 states and D.C., based on his being a natural-born citizen, more than 35 years of age, and more than 14 years a resident of the United States — and that , if he wins an Electoral College vote, the Congress accept his bona fides to certify the election.
    No one has any right, legal or moral, to ask more of him.
    No way would it be legal or constitutional for a state to delegate to a local elected official the power to determine whether Mr. Obama’s credentials attesting to his eligibility are valid and thus allow him to appear on that official’s state ballot. No court would allow this to stand for more than a millisecond.
    This illustrates the entitlement mentality of a large segment of the population of Birthistan. They believe they have this moral right to more than the law specifies, and that, in this instance, it’s a moral failing on the president’s part to refuse their demands.
    No, it isn’t.
    You’re entitled to what the law prescribes, and your moral entitlement does not exceed your legal entitlement.
    See, the law at least strives for objectivity. It’s written down, and people can search the meaning, although Lord knows disputes arise, and that’s why we have vast armies of lawyers.
    But moral entitlement apart from legal entitlement is totally subjective. America has about 225 million adults, give or take, and thus potentially 225 million ideas on what’s right and wrong in a given case. How could that ever be sorted out, apart from the law?
    Give up the moral entitlement argument, and stick to your legal initiatives, birthers. Although from your total lack of success in 100-plus tries, I can understand why you would want to look elsewhere.

  107. avatar
    Sef April 14, 2012 at 7:20 pm #

    JD Reed: I refer to the resolution

    Fortunately, the State House & Senate leaders had enough sense to abort this idiocy.

  108. avatar
    Scientist April 14, 2012 at 7:56 pm #

    donna: egyptian birthers wonBrotherhood’s Shater, Salafi Abu Ismail and Suleiman ruled out Abu Ismail’s candidacy has been in doubt since the election commission said it had received notification from U.S. authorities that his late mother had an American passport, a status that would disqualify him from the race.

    This is why the birther idea of having some august body “vet” candidates is wrong. Such bodies will inevitably act out of political motives (or be perceived to do so). Better to let he voters decide. Trying to “protect” voters from making “bad choices” is llke a dieter putting a lock on the refigerator. It never works, because the voters will always hold the key in the end. Plus, if you have a real democracy, there is a simple solution for when the voters choose unwisely. It’s called the next election.

  109. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny April 14, 2012 at 8:05 pm #

    Talking about Antichrists, in the real world, Lyndon LaRouche is running for president …

    of France:

    http://www.francesoir.fr/fiche/jacques-cheminade-205957.html

    For those Americans who do not know the language their Constitution was written in (according to the Vattellists):

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.francesoir.fr%2Ffiche%2Fjacques-cheminade-205957.html

    The guy seems to have said it himself too (ie comparing Obama to the man who cannot be named here). To be fair, the opinion polls give the candidate only 0,5 % and he has a problem advertising himself since he is broke and cannot pay his taxes and fines

  110. avatar
    Tomas Agent April 14, 2012 at 8:43 pm #

    The birthers on my block are celebrating and holding up signs..”I Told You it was Phony”

    Obama Lawyer Admits Forgery but disregards “image” as Indication of Obama’s Ineligibility Damage Control

    A recent ballot challenge hearing in New Jersey exposes a desperate strategy by Obama to distance himself from his forged certificate and induce the contrived value of his transient political popularity as the only “legitimate qualification” needed to hold the office of the presidency.

    By Dan Crosby of THE DAILY PEN
    Editor: Penbrook Johannson

    Thursday, April 12, 2012

    NEW YORK, NY – After a Maricopa County law enforcement agency conducted a six-month forensic examination which determined that the image of Obama’s alleged 1961 Certificate of Live Birth posted to a government website in April, 2011 is a digital fabrication and that it did not originate from a genuine paper document, arguments from an Obama eligibility lawyer during a recent New Jersey ballot challenge hearing reveals the image was not only a fabrication, but that it was likely part of a contrived plot by counterfeiters to endow Obama with mere political support while simultaneously making the image intentionally appear absurd and, therefore, invalid as evidence toward proving Obama’s ineligibility in a court of law.

    Taking an audacious and shocking angle against the constitutional eligibility mandate, Obama’s lawyer, Alexandra Hill, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and made the absurd claim that, therefore, it cannot be used as evidence to confirm his lack of natural born citizenship status. Therefore, she argued, it is “irrelevant to his placement on the ballot”.

    Hill went on to contort reasoning by implying that Obama needs only invoke his political popularity, not legal qualifications, in order to be a candidate.

    At the hearing, attorney for the plaintiffs, Mario Apuzzo, correctly argued that Obama, under the Constitution, has to be a “natural born Citizen” and that he has not met his burden of showing that he is eligible to be on the New Jersey primary ballot by showing that he is indeed a “natural born Citizen.” He argued that Obama has shown no authenticate evidence to the New Jersey Secretary of State demonstrating who he is and that he was born in the United States. Apuzzo also argued that as a matter of law, Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” because he was born to a father who was not a U.S. citizen.

    As Obama’s legal argument becomes more contorted, he is being forced to avoid an ever shrinking legal space, and an increasing weight, of his failure to meet constitutional eligibility requirements.

    Hill, of Genova, Burn & Giantomasi Attorneys in Newark, made a desperate motion to dismiss the ballot objection arguing that Obama’s lack of natural-born citizenship status was not relevant to being placed on the New Jersey presidential ballot because no law exists in New Jersey which says that a candidate’s appearance on the ballot must be supported by evidence of natural born citizenship status. Only the U.S. constitution restricts eligibility to hold the office of president to natural born citizens.

    Judge Masin denied the motion to dismiss and the case proceeded to trial.

    “Sadly, regardless of her moral deficiency, Hill is legally justified,” says TDP Editor, Penbrook Johannson, “Obama’s eligibility is a separate matter than the charges of forgery and fraud. Of course, we have evidence that he is not eligible. But, evidence of forgery by as yet unidentified counterfeiters working on behalf of Obama is not what legally excludes Obama from appearing on a ballot, by itself, until some authority is willing to consider this as evidence of forgery on its merit as an indication of actual ineligibility in a court of legal authority. Until some court of competent jurisdiction is willing to hear evidence of forgery and fraud, you can’t legally punish a political candidate for that crime which has not been proven that they committed. However, since Obama is not eligible because of a lack of authenticated evidence to the contrary, he could be held off the ballot for that reason.”

    According to Johannson, there is an overwhelming level of moral certainty that Obama is a usurper, but until a court with jurisdiction considers this case, Obama’s status as a legitimate president is in limbo.

    “He does not exist as a president except in the imagination of those who blindly support him. Whereas he is politically desired by a transient consensus, his legality is unresolved until a responsible court makes a determination. This is the essence of our crisis. Our nation exists in a state of non-authorized identity. Obama is just some guy calling himself a president and living in the White House without the confirmative authority to do so.”

    Obama’s document forgery and fraudulent presidency have now forced him to flee to a “strange twilight zone” between political popularity and legal legitimacy where poorly counterfeited records are apparently allowed to be published by Obama using government media resources for political purposes, yet those same records are held by the courts as irrelevant for determining Obama’s legal eligibility status because they are, according to judges, “so poorly forged” they are obviously meant to be satirical and not to be taken seriously as evidence.

    Shockingly, parting from widespread public ignorance, Hill actually acknowledged two of the three necessary components of determining natural born citizenship as being place of birth and citizenship status of both parents. However, she argued that, “No law in New Jersey obligated him (Obama) to produce any such evidence in order to get on the primary ballot.”

    The third component of natural born eligibility is maintenance of natural born citizenship status from birth to election without interruption, involuntarily or voluntarily, due to expatriation, extradition, renouncement or foreign adoption.

    “Obama is mocking our constitution,” says Johannson, “His position is that he never claimed the image was an indication of his natural born status, just that it was information about his birth. Whether it is forged or authentic is irrelevant to Obama because plausible deniability affords him the security in knowing that no legal authority is willing to hang him with it.”

    Of course, Johannson adds that it makes Obama look like a willing accomplice and a liar, but, he says, “…show me a politician who cares about being seen as a liar by the public. If people who support him want to vote for a person like that, it reveals more about the reprobate character of Obama supporters than competency of any legal determination about his lack of constitutional eligibility. Degenerates will vote for a degenerate while patriots will exhaust all civil means to remove him…until those civil means are exhausted. Then things get ugly for government.”

    “However, Hill is also essentially admitting that Obama is not a legitimate president and that Obama believes that his illegitimacy does not matter to his legal ability to hold the office. Obama holds to a political tenet, not a legal one with respect to his views on his eligibility. That’s what corrupt, criminal politicians do. When the law convicts them, they run to public favorability for shelter with the hope that their supporters will apply pressure to disregard law in their case.”

    Obama is now arguing that because he is politically popular, as he points to as being indicated by his so-called election’, despite accusations of eligibility fraud and election fraud, the constitutional eligibility mandate is not relevant, in his view. Until a courageous authority is willing to disagree and hold Obama to an equally weighted legal standard, civil remedies for the Obama problem are limited.

    Johannson adds that Obama is making the same argument on behalf of Obamacare.

    “If he had the gall to actually tell the Supreme Court that they have no authority to determine the unconstitutionality of his illegitimate policies, what makes anyone think he believes they have the authority to disqualify him due to his lack of constitutional eligibility? Obama believes he holds preeminent power over all branches of government because of his delusions of political grandeur.”

    He correctly points to a lifetime pattern of behavior and testimony by Obama which indicates a complete lack of regard for the U.S. Constitution when it restricts Obama’s political agenda and lust for power.

    “This is a guy who illegally defaced public property when he scribed his aspirations to be ‘king’ in a concrete sidewalk at the age of ten, for God’s sake. Now, his majesty’ wants to put his illegal ‘graffiti’ into American law books. However, his problem is that he has to face the fact that he is an abject failure in his capacity to meet any standard required by the 250-year-old U.S. Constitution, in everything he tries to do. The Constitution owns him and he can’t stand it. He hates it. Therefore, instead of admitting his lack of constitutionality, he simply breaks the rules and proceeds to illegally scribe his fake authority on everything until someone is willing to physically stop him. Obama is not just an illegitimate politician, he is a rogue outlaw without regard for the divine providence of American law.”

    Apuzzo submitted that New Jersey law requires Obama to show evidence that he is qualified for the office he wishes to occupy and that includes showing that he is a “natural born Citizen,” which includes presenting evidence of who he is, where he was born, and that he was born to two U.S. citizen parents. Apuzzo added that the Secretary of State has a constitutional obligation not to place any ineligible candidates on the election ballot.

    The account of the trial can be read at:

    http://www.teapartytribune.com/2012/04/11/nj-ballot-access-challenge-hearing-update/

    Source:
    http://www.teapartytribune.com/2012/04/13/obama-lawyer-admits-forgery-but-disregards-image-as-indication-of-obamas-ineligibility-damage-control/

  111. avatar
    gorefan April 14, 2012 at 8:50 pm #

    Tomas Agent: The birthers on my block are celebrating and holding up signs..”I Told You it was Phony”

    Even ORYR admits this is a not true.

  112. avatar
    Keith April 14, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

    Greenfinches:
    Do you know, I am still here – and nobody else is!

    Meanwhile, on another planet, the former Archbishop of Canterbury has declared that Christians are persecuted in the UK, vilified by the courts – the poor dears.Can’t wear a cross on a chain round your neck = persecution, it seems.

    Me I blame the US for starting with this nonsense.Was it Glenn Beck who argued this?

    The former Archbishop is pissing in the wind. The examples he cites are of people being sacked for refusing to do the job they were hired for.

    If you are hired to do a job, and refuse to do that job, what do you think your employer should do about it?

    Do you think that your religious beliefs insulate you from doing the job that you are hired to do?

    In the employer-employee relationship, where does the ultimate power to hire and fire lie?

    Does your religious exemption from actually doing your job apply to everyone, or just to Christians? Or maybe just white Christians?

    Lord Carey is a rather conflicted individual. Although a strong member of the High Church or Evangelical ‘wing’ of the Church of England (the ‘Roman Catholic’ leaning side) he supported the ordination of women.

    On the other hand, as he told David Frost “I don’t believe in blessing same-sex relationships because frankly I don’t know what I’m blessing.” It seems to me that that sentiment would prevent Roman Catholic priests from blessing heterosexual relationships and instead should only be blessing homosexual unions.

    But that is OK. Religious belief is about belief, and no one ever said belief has to be rational or consistent.

  113. avatar
    RuhRoh April 14, 2012 at 9:20 pm #

    May I just say that Comcast (now called xfinity) sucks? When it works, it’s fabulous But about 5 times per day, the signal just drops out for no reason, and yes, their techs agree it does and have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHY!! Does that influence my very pricey bill for their “works when it feels like working internet service”? Uh, no.

    UGH.

  114. avatar
    Thomas Brown April 14, 2012 at 9:34 pm #

    RuhRoh:
    May I just say that Comcast (now called xfinity) sucks? When it works, it’s fabulous But about 5 times per day, the signal just drops out for no reason, and yes, their techs agree it does and have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHY!! Does that influence my very pricey bill for their “works when it feels like working internet service”? Uh, no.

    UGH.

    Same here. My wife is a College Professor and just when she needs to do something critical like enter grades, the Comcast internet drops out.

    I’d go to Fios, but Verizon is even worse than Comcast.

  115. avatar
    J. Potter April 14, 2012 at 11:10 pm #

    RuhRoh: Still one of the scariest statements a candidate for POTUS has EVER made.

    Did he say that while he was running? Christofascism, carrying a cross and wrapped in the flag indeed. Huck manages to sound so reasonable and normal so much of the time.

    Even Saintorum never went that far … ?

    Also blows Gingrich’s plans re: federal judges away.

    Thanks for highlighting this quotes, guys.

  116. avatar
    J. Potter April 14, 2012 at 11:13 pm #

    Tomas Agent: The birthers on my block are celebrating and holding up signs..”I Told You it was Phony”

    Love it when the sheeple celebrate the people they listen to all the time telling them exactly what they wanted to hear.

    Hmmm. 😉

  117. avatar
    Arthur April 14, 2012 at 11:44 pm #

    J. Potter: Did he say that while he was running?

    He said it during a speech in Warren, MI during the 2008 primary, January 15, 2008 to be exact. Here’s the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onHkywYc_1M

  118. avatar
    J. Potter April 15, 2012 at 1:44 am #

    Arthur: He said it during a speech in Warren, MI during the 2008 primary, January 15, 2008 to be exact. Here’s the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onHkywYc_1M

    Jeeeezus. Thanks, Arthur.

  119. avatar
    John Reilly April 15, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    Changing the topic, Dr. Taitz has posted a subpoena she has signed. It is in her Mississippi case, and clearly describes her as being the plaintiiff and not as a lawyer. It appears to me to be a California form, and asks the witness, Bettina Viviano, to appear for a trial or hearing in California but somehow related to the Mississippi case. I thought you needed permission from Mississippi to conduct out-of-state depositions in a Mississippi case. I would have thought that you need permission from Mississippi to conduct a “trial or hearing” of a Mississippi case in California. And Dr. Taitz then signs the subpoena as an attorney. The trial is scheduled for April 20 at Dr. Taitz’s office. Is Ms. Viviano in California? Has there been an earthquake moving California that much closer to Mississippi?

    It seems to me that this subpoena suggests that Darwin was wrong. there are some species who cannot and will not learn or evolve.

  120. avatar
    Sef April 15, 2012 at 10:36 am #

    John Reilly: It seems to me that this subpoena suggests that Darwin was wrong. there are some species who cannot and will not learn or evolve.

    And what did Darwin say happens to them?

  121. avatar
    Bernard April 15, 2012 at 11:27 am #

    Taitz, who got her law degree from an unaccredited California school, has never allowed herself to be bothered by court rules, court orders or other such trifles.

    Even assuming that Viviano testifies – I would assume from the various reports she would do it willingly even without a subpoena – she will be testifying to hearsay from Bill Clinton. And then Bill Clinton, if called upon to testify, will say simply either that she is wrong or that, at the time he said such a thing about Obama, he was being misled by rumors or gossip which he subsequently discovered were wrong, etc. etc.

    Even if Bill Clinton, here and now, firmly believed that Obama is not a citizen, his opinion – even as an ex-Prez and a lawyer – is not dispositive nor even weighty on this matter.

  122. avatar
    GeorgetownJD April 15, 2012 at 11:38 am #

    Thomas Brown: Same here.My wife is a College Professor and just when she needs to do something critical like enter grades, the Comcast internet drops out.

    I’d go to Fios, but Verizon is even worse than Comcast.

    No,Charter is the worst.

  123. avatar
    Greenfinches April 15, 2012 at 12:57 pm #

    Keith: the High Church or Evangelical wing’

    I think these are opposites…..

    High Church leans catholic; evengelicals (not as numerous as in the US I think) probably see the Catholics as heading towards Satan.

    They seem to suffer to a similar extent from the delusion that you should not have to do a job for which you were hired if it conflicts with how you see your religion. I have no sympathy for this view.

    If you are hired as a pharmacist, I say you comply with the law on pharmacy and leave your religious principles at home. You don’t get to argue persecution if you are asked to comply with the law.

  124. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 15, 2012 at 2:20 pm #

    I will be returning from vacation late tomorrow (the 16th) and a blog operations should resume normal operation on Tuesday. If I post any vacation stuff, it will be on my regular blog.

  125. avatar
    katahdin April 15, 2012 at 2:25 pm #

    Bill Clinton is a former professor of constitutional law and, quite frankly, a genius. Birtherism is a belief system of bigots and fools. I don’t believe for one second that President Clinton ever credited birther nonsense even if he ever heard about it, and that’s doubtful. Birtherism is a fringe disorder.

    Bernard:
    Taitz, who got her law degree from an unaccredited California school, has never allowed herself to be bothered by court rules, court orders or other such trifles.

    Even assuming that Viviano testifies – I would assume from the various reports she would do it willingly even without a subpoena – she will be testifying to hearsay from Bill Clinton.And then Bill Clinton, if called upon to testify, will say simply either that she is wrong or that, at the time he said such a thing about Obama, he was being misled by rumors or gossip which he subsequently discovered were wrong, etc. etc.

    Even if Bill Clinton, here and now, firmly believed that Obama is not a citizen, his opinion – even as an ex-Prez and a lawyer – is not dispositive nor even weighty on this matter.

  126. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 15, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    Credited, no but heard of, I think very likely. If anything the Donald Trump circus put birtherism on the map.

    katahdin: I don’t believe for one second that President Clinton ever credited birther nonsense even if he ever heard about it, and that’s doubtful. Birtherism is a fringe disorder.

  127. avatar
    misha April 15, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

    Bernard: Taitz, who got her law degree from an unaccredited California school

    Taitz, who got her law degree from an unaccredited correspondence California school…

    FIFY

    She got her toilet paper degree from the grandiloquently named William Howard Taft Law School, which opened its doors offices in 1976.

  128. avatar
    misha April 15, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    katahdin: Bill Clinton is a former professor of constitutional law and, quite frankly, a genius.

    He was a Rhodes Scholar.

  129. avatar
    misha April 15, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

    Greenfinches: They seem to suffer to a similar extent from the delusion that you should not have to do a job for which you were hired if it conflicts with how you see your religion. I have no sympathy for this view. If you are hired as a pharmacist, I say you comply with the law on pharmacy and leave your religious principles at home.

    Christian Science Pharmacist Refuses To Fill Any Prescription
    http://www.theonion.com/articles/christian-science-pharmacist-refuses-to-fill-any-p,9645/

    Before the stroke, I worked as a NYS licensed optician. People would come in with vouchers from the Whitman-Walker clinic, prisoners were brought in with handcuffs and leg irons.

    I could not refuse anyone. Any pharmacist who refuses to fill a prescription, should lose his license for a minimum of 5 years. This is nothing more than an attempt to subvert the 1st Amendment.

    Hitchens was right.

  130. avatar
    Thrifty April 15, 2012 at 3:43 pm #

    I saw the weirdest comment on a news article a few days ago. I can’t remember what the story was about, but the comment was something like “Sarah Palin will be elected our first female president after Mitt Romney’s 2nd term ends in 2021.”

    Awfully presumptuous if you ask me!

  131. avatar
    misha April 15, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    Thrifty: after Mitt Romney’s 2nd term ends in 2021

    Yeah, his 2nd term as dogcatcher. Mitt is well qualified.

  132. avatar
    Northland10 April 15, 2012 at 4:08 pm #

    Keith: Although a strong member of the High Church or Evangelical wing’ of the Church of England (the Roman Catholic’ leaning side) he supported the ordination of women.

    Lord Carey is from the Low Church (or Lower Church) evangelical wing. In general, the evangelical wing has been supportive of women’s ordination, even those on the conservative version (such as the splinter Bishop of Pittsburgh). This contrasts the High Church, Anglo-Catholic (think smells and bells), version where the conservative (now separated) version does not accept the ordination of women (Bishop of Fort Wayne comes to mind).

    The current Archbishop of Canterbury (ABC) is more on the High Church side as of the the CoE (Church of England) often rotates the ABC back and forth. Granted, he is accepting of women’s ordination.

    Understanding the “flavors” of Anglicanism can be a daunting task. As we have, high and low, conservative and liberal, and everything in between (Via Media – the middle way). It all affects how we lean on our three-legged stool; Scripture, Tradition and Reason.

  133. avatar
    justlw April 15, 2012 at 4:39 pm #

    misha: the grandiloquently named William Howard Taft Law School, which opened its doors offices in 1976.

    Right upstairs from the Lakeside Café! (I Googlemapped it).

  134. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith April 15, 2012 at 4:48 pm #

    Dear friends at Obama Conspiracy Theories,

    For your enlightenment and pleasure I have published the following reports at my WOBIK blog!

    The Retro Report and Orly Taitz syndrome.

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/the-retro-report-and-orly-taitz-syndrome/

    Obot speculation of recent forgery in my US Passport.

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/uncategorized/obot-speculation-of-recent-forgery-in-my-us-passport/

    Please exercise your free speech in the comments section below the blog report. There are no stipulations of political correctness on this blog. Speak your mind, give us your thoughts, both objective and subjective. Share your ideas, hunches, inklings or your expertise. Please provide recommendation and corrections if you spot errors in fact within the blog report. Lastly, remember that posting a comment is much like casting a vote, so please do so!

    Call me anytime at [phone # removed]

  135. avatar
    Bernard April 15, 2012 at 5:16 pm #

    On the Taft Law School:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft_Law_School

    It gets re-evaluated next year. With Taitz as its most famous alumna, it’s doomed.

    Viviano can testify to whatever she wants to say (I would assume she’d be not merely willing but enthusiastic), it will be very low grade hearsay. Bill Clinton, if anyone asks, will contradict her in some way. Not even a half-a-point for the birthers.

    The “Arnold Amendment” (suggested in 2005 to remove the natural-born requirement so Arnold Schwarzeneggar might run for Prez) will probably be revived because of this craziness and, I’d bet, adopted in very short order.

  136. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny April 15, 2012 at 5:52 pm #

    Bernard: Bill Clinton, if anyone asks, will contradict her in some way.

    “I never had an interview with that woman.”

  137. avatar
    Keith April 15, 2012 at 6:01 pm #

    Greenfinches: I think these are opposites…..

    High Church leans catholic; evengelicals (not as numerous as in the US I think) probably see the Catholics as heading towards Satan.

    Northland10: Lord Carey is from the Low Church (or Lower Church) evangelical wing. In general, the evangelical wing has been supportive of women’s ordination, even those on the conservative version (such as the splinter Bishop of Pittsburgh). This contrasts the High Church, Anglo-Catholic (think smells and bells), version where the conservative (now separated) version does not accept the ordination of women (Bishop of Fort Wayne comes to mind).

    Yes. I misspoke. Mea Culpa.

  138. avatar
    Keith April 15, 2012 at 6:05 pm #

    Bernard: The “Arnold Amendment” (suggested in 2005 to remove the natural-born requirement so Arnold Schwarzeneggar might run for Prez) will probably be revived because of this craziness and, I’d bet, adopted in very short order.

    Probably not a bad idea, but I doubt it will happen anytime soon.

  139. avatar
    US Citizen April 15, 2012 at 6:08 pm #

    John Reilly: The trial is scheduled for April 20 at Dr. Taitz’s office

    I have my suspicions, but who exactly is going to be judge at this trial?

  140. avatar
    misha April 15, 2012 at 6:15 pm #

    Bernard: The “Arnold Amendment” (suggested in 2005 to remove the natural-born requirement so Arnold Schwarzeneggar might run for Prez)

    Keith: Probably not a bad idea, but I doubt it will happen anytime soon.

    I believe there should be an amendment that presidents should be from Eastern Europe: ben Gurion, Golda Meir, Václav Havel, Mikhail Gorbachev.

    Instead, we got Reagan, Shrub, Nixon, Agnew – yes, I know Agnew was VP, but he came waaay too close. Shrub is arguably the worst president since Franklin Pierce.

  141. avatar
    misha April 15, 2012 at 6:19 pm #

    US Citizen: I have my suspicions, but who exactly is going to be judge at this trial?

    Judge Wapner.

  142. avatar
    justlw April 15, 2012 at 6:55 pm #

    OBAMA’S COLLEGE TRANSCRIPTS REVEALED!!!!1!!one!!

    Someone on HuffPo just replied to me with this link, in all apparent seriousness.

    Prescient of Obama to take that course in “Basic Job Creation.”

  143. avatar
    John Reilly April 15, 2012 at 7:05 pm #

    Now, Misha, I always thought Golda Meir was from Wisconsin.

  144. avatar
    John Reilly April 15, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    I would suggest Judge Scheindlin. Then she and Dr. Taitz can yell at each other.

  145. avatar
    misha April 15, 2012 at 7:32 pm #

    John Reilly: Now, Misha, I always thought Golda Meir was from Wisconsin.

    “Born Golda Mabovitz in Kiev, Russia, Golda emigrated with her family to Milwaukee, Wis., in 1906. There, she graduated from teachers’ college and taught in the public schools.” http://www.ou.org/chagim/yomhaatzmauth/golda.html

    She was a lifelong socialist, and when she first went to Palestine, she was a Marxist.

  146. avatar
    justlw April 15, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

    A followup to earlier filler important news posted here, about Orly’s appearance in the teeming metropolis of Bonsall, California.

    I found this photo from the big event, courtesy of a site apparently called Th’ Evil Lage News (“Lage” is German for “Situation”).

    Imagine: one of these people will be the next Senator from California!

  147. avatar
    Northland10 April 15, 2012 at 8:32 pm #

    Keith: Yes. I misspoke. Mea Culpa.

    No problem. I always enjoy the opportunity to babel Anglican.

  148. avatar
    Rickey April 15, 2012 at 10:23 pm #

    justlw:
    OBAMA’S COLLEGE TRANSCRIPTS REVEALED!!!!1!!one!!

    Someone on HuffPo just replied to me with this link, in all apparent seriousness.

    Prescient of Obama to take that course in “Basic Job Creation.”

    And how thoughtful of Columbia to list his “place of birth” on his transcript. It’s reassuring to see that he got an A in “Evil of America.”

  149. avatar
    katahdin April 15, 2012 at 10:27 pm #

    Birthers WILL believe it’s serious.

    Rickey: And how thoughtful of Columbia to list his “place of birth” on his transcript. It’s reassuring to see that he got an A in “Evil of America.”

  150. avatar
    misha April 15, 2012 at 10:59 pm #

    justlw: OBAMA’S COLLEGE TRANSCRIPTS REVEALED!!!! Someone on HuffPo just replied to me with this link, in all apparent seriousness.

    katahdin: Birthers WILL believe it’s serious.

    I always reply with this: I found a Kenya BC (Obama’s?) that’s right here!

  151. avatar
    SluggoJD April 15, 2012 at 11:12 pm #

    Lucas D. Smith:
    Dear friends at Obama Conspiracy Theories,

    For your enlightenment and pleasure I have published the following reports at my WOBIK blog!

    The Retro Report and Orly Taitz syndrome.

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/the-retro-report-and-orly-taitz-syndrome/

    Obot speculation of recent forgery in my US Passport.

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/uncategorized/obot-speculation-of-recent-forgery-in-my-us-passport/

    Please exercise your free speech in the comments section below the blog report. There are no stipulations of political correctness on this blog.Speak your mind, give us your thoughts, both objective and subjective. Share your ideas, hunches, inklings or your expertise. Please provide recommendation and corrections if you spot errors in fact within the blog report. Lastly, remember that posting a comment is much like casting a vote, so please do so!

    Call me anytime at [phone # removed]

    He, Lying Lucas Smith, must be feeling sad and lonely these days.

  152. avatar
    donna April 15, 2012 at 11:33 pm #

    Orly Taitz files RICO suit against Obama in MS

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/15/1083617/-Orly-Taitz-files-RICO-suit-against-Obama-in-MS

  153. avatar
    this old hippie April 15, 2012 at 11:48 pm #

    This is what I love about the American episcopal church. Right in my town of about 100000 we have three episcopal churches that work together but represent the.different flavors of the.church. the oldest is very high church. The next is high church but very liberal. The youngest is low church with some new age thrown in and the most liberal of all. I haven’t pledged my troth to one yet so I kind of just visit here and there right now. Playing the field.

    <blockquote cite="comment-180670"

    Northland10: Lord Carey is from the Low Church (or Lower Church) evangelical wing.In general, the evangelical wing has been supportive of women’s ordination, even those on the conservative version (such as the splinter Bishop of Pittsburgh).This contrasts the High Church, Anglo-Catholic (think smells and bells), version where the conservative (now separated) version does not accept the ordination of women (Bishop of Fort Wayne comes to mind).

    The current Archbishop of Canterbury (ABC) is more on the High Church side as of the the CoE (Church of England) often rotates the ABC back and forth.Granted, he is accepting of women’s ordination.

    Understanding the “flavors” of Anglicanism can be a daunting task.As we have, high and low, conservative and liberal, and everything in between (Via Media – the middle way).It all affects how we lean on our three-legged stool; Scripture, Tradition and Reason.

  154. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 16, 2012 at 12:23 am #

    Columbia transcript obvious fake. No way Obama got a B in Basketball.

  155. avatar
    misha April 16, 2012 at 1:01 am #

    this old hippie: Right in my town of about 100000 we have three episcopal churches that work together but represent the.different flavors of the.church.

    I’m Jewish, but have joined the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

  156. avatar
    misha April 16, 2012 at 1:04 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: No way Obama got a B in Basketball.

    Cheech and Chong’s Basketball Jones – NSFW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIbp5C-5WXM

    To those who are offended: remember, this was 1975, and it’s Cheech and Chong.

  157. avatar
    The Magic M April 16, 2012 at 4:18 am #

    donna: Orly Taitz files RICO suit against Obama in MS

    The funniest thing is that she seems to believe MS somehow has jurisdiction to find Obama in contempt of court for the GA hearing. It might just be that she loves to slap together everything she has regardless of applicability, but that is already giving her too much credit. She really *is* that stupid.

  158. avatar
    The Magic M April 16, 2012 at 4:23 am #

    Paul Pieniezny: “I never had an interview with that woman.”

    It depends on what the definition of “interview” is. 😉

    Or the next line – which you conveniently forgot – was “Oh, you mean inter*course*? Yeah, well, probably…”

  159. avatar
    ellen April 16, 2012 at 5:05 am #

    Lucas D. Smith, who has claimed that he obtained a copy of Obama’s birth certificate in Kenya, has never proven that he went to Kenya. Lucas D. Smith, who has now shown his US passport with other countries’ entrance and exit stamps on it, has never shown his US passport with either a Kenyan entrance stamp or a Kenyan exit stamp on it.

  160. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny April 16, 2012 at 6:37 am #

    The Magic M: The Magic M April 16, 2012 at 4:23 am (Quote) #

    Paul Pieniezny: “I never had an interview with that woman.”

    It depends on what the definition of “interview” is. 😉

    Or the next line – which you conveniently forgot – was “Oh, you mean inter*course*? Yeah, well, probably…”

    Ah well, there is also the famous INTERchange with Germaine Greer (rhymes with Geir) while she was lecturing at Oxford on women in literature.

    Only there are two versions of that one, as usually with Bill. One version (spread by an English male student at the time) has Greer lecturing how all intercourse is highly overrated, while a second version (spread by two US female students who were also present) has Greer lecturing how intercourse with bourgeois men, and particularly American bourgeois, is always highly unsatisfactorry.

    In the former version, Bill got his hand up and intervened with the words “About sex being highly overrated, won’t you give this Southern boy another chance?” leading to Greer’s answer “I may consider that”. The latter has Bill telling Greer “In case you ever decide to give bourgeois men another chance, can I give you my phone number?” and getting the same answer.

    For linguists, translators (and perhaps historians): note the tiny but significant difference in meaning between the two sentences concerning the small word “another” – in the first sentence it may be an allusion to Bill himself, in the second it could be a reference to … Warren Beatty.

    Of course, both versions suggest the same thing: Bill was trying to impress the two US students with his (biblical?) knowledge of Greer. Hm, I wonder why?

    Odd couples here, some of which Americans may find shocking:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/the-odd-couples-472333.html

  161. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny April 16, 2012 at 7:37 am #

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/the-odd-couples-472333.html

    Just noticed that the Independent does not give the publication date correctly.

    I have just found out the correct date by checking the Independent archives.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/dayinapage/?day=1&month=4&year=2006

    We do not want birfers to believe Barbra Streisand and Condoleezza Rice are ineligible because they are British citizens, now do we (judging by the number of people who still believe the Fullbright for Barry Soetoro, it will not help much, of course)?

    But the Warren Beatty and Germaine Greer story is for real. I have no bridge to sell.

  162. avatar
    misha April 16, 2012 at 8:44 am #

    This is waaaay off subject: Lou Goldstein, Borscht Belt Master of Simon Says, Dies at 90

    Lou Goldstein was the consummate tummler, one of a zany species of entertainer who kept them laughing, or tried to, long ago in the borscht belt hotels of the Catskills.

    Read on:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/nyregion/lou-goldstein-borscht-belt-comedian-dies-at-90.html

    True story: when I was 11 and 12, people asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I said, “A comedian just like him,” pointing to the stage.

  163. avatar
    Thrifty April 16, 2012 at 8:54 am #

    Weird that he would take “Advanced Marxism”, but no corresponding Basic or Beginner course.

    justlw:
    OBAMA’S COLLEGE TRANSCRIPTS REVEALED!!!!1!!one!!

    Someone on HuffPo just replied to me with this link, in all apparent seriousness.

    Prescient of Obama to take that course in “Basic Job Creation.”

  164. avatar
    misha April 16, 2012 at 8:56 am #

    Want to solve the constant fighting in the Middle East? Send in the clowns – Borscht Belt clowns. They would be too busy howling rather than hitting.

    A group of men were playing poker. One fellow realized he had lost $800, stood up and had a fatal heart attack. “Who’s going to tell his wife?” the homeowner said. They drew staws, and one drew the shortest.

    He went to the house, and called out “Mrs. Goldberg, come to the door.” She opened the door, and the man said “I have some terrible news about your husband. We were playing poker, and he lost $800.”

    “Mine husband lost $800 playing cards?! He should drop dead.”

    “Lady, you’re in luck.”

  165. avatar
    misha April 16, 2012 at 9:02 am #

    Thrifty: Weird that he would take “Advanced Marxism”, but no corresponding Basic or Beginner course.

    Why? I did the same thing: “Either this man is dead, or my watch has stopped.”
    “Who is buried in Grant’s tomb?”
    “Normally I don’t forget a face. In your case, I’ll make an exception.”
    “Could I have a lock of your hair? Actually, I’d like the whole wig.”

  166. avatar
    justlw April 16, 2012 at 10:01 am #

    katahdin: Birthers WILL believe it’s serious.

    It took me about three tries to convince the one who posted the link to look at it with their birther filter off. I think the student’s address — “c/o William Ayers, New York” — may have finally convinced them, or maybe not.

    By the way, Zapf Chancery: another one for the “heavily abused fonts” list.

  167. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) April 16, 2012 at 11:57 am #

    ellen: Lucas D. Smith, who has claimed that he obtained a copy of Obama’s birth certificate in Kenya, has never proven that he went to Kenya. Lucas D. Smith, who has now shown his US passport with other countries’ entrance and exit stamps on it, has never shown his US passport with either a Kenyan entrance stamp or a Kenyan exit stamp on it.

    Come on it’s obvious Lucas only goes to places with a rather active slave sex trade.

  168. avatar
    Rickey April 16, 2012 at 11:58 am #

    misha:
    “Who is buried in Grant’s tomb?”

    Once on “You Bet Your Life” Groucho offered a losing contestant the opportunity to win a consolation prize.

    Groucho: Who is buried in Grant’s Tomb?

    Contestant (after thinking about it for a few seconds): Could you repeat the question?

  169. avatar
    JPotter April 16, 2012 at 12:24 pm #

    justlw: OBAMA’S COLLEGE TRANSCRIPTS REVEALED!!!!1!!one!!

    LOL! That is hysterical. Birthers are taking this seriously? C’mon. The crumpled up background is great (it’s 30 years old and crumpled, but no holes, smudges, or frayed creases? Paper that is cumpled but otherwise pristine?). A 30-year old transcript is typeset? Rights. Would have been dot-matrix in 1983. Awful lot of detail missing overall; couldn’t find a ~1983 Columbia transcript to use as starting point?

    As satire, it’s pretty briliant, except for the issued to Bill Ayers, no street address, in the same zip as Columbia. Couldn’t find the whereabouts of Mr. Ayers in 1983?

    The kicker of course, as noted the goawful use of Chancery (that was Columbia’s letterhead in 1983? Really?) and the heavy City, Zip, and “OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT“. Heehee!

    I don’t see any harm in passing this off on birthers. If they are this gullible, they’re beyond salvation. If they can manage to realize a joke for a joke, then enroll them in a recovery program … general philosophy / civics / history curricula at a local community college.

  170. avatar
    The Magic M April 16, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    Thrifty: Weird that he would take “Advanced Marxism”, but no corresponding Basic or Beginner course.

    Since birthers consider him a raised Marxist, it’s obvious he didn’t need the 101, he got that one spoon-fed as a child. 😉 So in birtherverse, this underlines the authenticity of the transcript. *lol*

  171. avatar
    Sef April 16, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

    ellen:
    Lucas D. Smith, who has claimed that he obtained a copy of Obama’s birth certificate in Kenya, has never proven that he went to Kenya. Lucas D. Smith, who has now shown his US passport with other countries’ entrance and exit stamps on it, has never shown his US passport with either a Kenyan entrance stamp or a Kenyan exit stamp on it.

    Let’s be realistic here. Someone’s visa pages from a passport were shown. There is no proof that those came from Lucas’ passport.

  172. avatar
    JPotter April 16, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

    JPotter: As satire, it’s pretty briliant, except for the issued to Bill Ayers, no street address, in the same zip as Columbia. Couldn’t find the whereabouts of Mr. Ayers in 1983?

    To pile on a bit, all the transcripts I have ever seen were also issued on colored or patterned paper, and notarized, often with the institutions seal. That anyone would fall for this joke is another amazing testament to confirmation bias. In this case, not only do the appearent means of production, but, crucially, the information itself screams “I am a forgery”. The information goes farther saying, “I am meant to be funny”.

    That someone would accept this as genuine, while claiming the imagery of the LFBC is all forged, is a testament to their disease. Scary that people can be so biased as to not think critically at all, just jump to their conclusion, use any new information to simply reinforce what they already “know.”

  173. avatar
    US Citizen April 16, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    misha:
    This is waaaay off subject:Lou Goldstein, Borscht Belt Master of Simon Says, Dies at 90

    Lou Goldstein was the consummate tummler, one of a zany species of entertainer who kept them laughing, or tried to, long ago in the borscht belt hotels of the Catskills.

    Read on:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/nyregion/lou-goldstein-borscht-belt-comedian-dies-at-90.html

    NYTimes: subscription only. 🙁

  174. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith April 16, 2012 at 2:32 pm #

    My dearest friends!

    I have published the following new report at my WOBIK blog!

    Orly Taitz might place second (or even first) in US Senate race primary in California this June, 2012.

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/orly-taitz-might-place-second-or-even-first-in-us-senate-race-primary-in-california-this-june-2012/

    I welcome readers to share their thoughts, exercise your free speech in my blog’s comments section, regarding attorney Orly Taitz running for US Senate. There are no stipulations of political correctness on this blog. Speak your mind, give us your thoughts, both objective and subjective. Share your ideas, hunches, inklings or your expertise. Please provide recommendation and corrections if you spot errors in fact within the blog report. Lastly, remember that posting a comment is much like casting a vote, so please do so. Thank you!

  175. avatar
    JPotter April 16, 2012 at 2:47 pm #

    Oh dear …. Kenyan wins man’s and women’s Boston Marathon….
    http://www.boston.com/sports/marathon/blog/2012/04/joshua_cassidy_wins_mens_wheel.html

    Wesley Korir … affable Kenyan and graduate of the University of Louisville … is a permanent resident of the United States …

    Let the birthing commence. About what, I don’t know, but give them time. Somehow, it will be the alleged Kenyan’s fault that a real Kenyan, who pretends to be American, won ‘our’ marathon.

  176. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny April 16, 2012 at 2:50 pm #

    JPotter: the information itself screams “I am a forgery”. The information goes farther saying, “I am meant to be funny”.

    In Maryland someone is filing an election challenge against Obama using the NAIROBI birth certificate. That one actually has a watermark stating that it is a forgery. meant to make apolitical point.

  177. avatar
    PaulG April 16, 2012 at 2:50 pm #

    To fake a late 70’s, early 80’s transcript you really ought to use a line printer. They had a pretty distinctive look. I’m curious if anybody has ever seen a line printer font for windows. I’ll have to go dig around and see if I can find any printouts from 30 years back, because I only have a faint memory of what it actually looked like.

  178. avatar
    JPotter April 16, 2012 at 3:54 pm #

    PaulG: To fake a late 70′s, early 80′s transcript you really ought to use a line printer.

    Hmm, maybe. They were usually used with mainframes, weren’t they?

    I had a letter quality in 1983, essentially a electric typewriter w/o a keyboard, and have seen vintage setups which literally used a Selectric (dual use!).

    Anyway, the real kicker is, that any transcript produced now would be a recently requested copy, in whatever form Columbia provides today. Much like the COLB was produced in response to a request for a birth certificate. You’re not going to get “the original” transcript. When it comes to transcripts, there is no original.* What you’d get is an “original” copy of the information in Columbia’s records. Just imagine the repeat of PDF Madness the presentation of a legit, new copy of Obama’s transcript(s) would produce!

    * Unless you would want the copy (if any) issued at the time of graduation … but how is that any more “original” than transcripts issed at any other time?

  179. avatar
    misha April 16, 2012 at 4:42 pm #

    US Citizen: NYTimes: subscription only.

    Try this: http://www.thejewishweek.com/blogs/yad/simon_says_forget_catskills

  180. avatar
    justlw April 16, 2012 at 4:43 pm #

    JPotter: Birthers are taking this seriously?

    Well, at least one is. I’m pretty sure he still thinks I’m full of Obot blindness, for not believing that Obama’s long sought-after college transcripts can be found on photobucket and nowhere else.

    (I was going to use “Zapf Chancery? Really?” as my clincher argument, but decided it may not have gone as far with him as it does here.)

    They moved on to “He only went to Columbia for 9 months! Orly says so!” (and I wasn’t surprised to find Doc Already Covered It). I pointed out that although that’s just plain wrong, it’s a nice compliment to Obama’s intellect that he posits that Obama could finish his bachelor’s up in three years.

    He has now announced that he shall be going off in a huff, and if I can’t see what a fraud Obama is, I should just vote for the dude.

    “Make that a minute and a huff.”
    — Advanced Marxism

  181. avatar
    misha April 16, 2012 at 4:49 pm #

    justlw: “Make that a minute and a huff.” – Advanced Marxism

    ‘This is the finest book I have ever held in my hands. Some day I intend to read it.’

  182. avatar
    justlw April 16, 2012 at 4:56 pm #

    JPotter: except for the issued to Bill Ayers

    I figured that was the perpetrator’s blatant anti-Poe device.

    Didn’t work.

  183. avatar
    JPotter April 16, 2012 at 5:25 pm #

    justlw: Well, at least one is.

    You know he’s not the only one. 😉

    Did you check the photobucket poster’s other submissions? It seems to be a winger’s store of anti-O zingers. There is some indication of tech savvy on that user’s part, he altered created some tables, but “signs” his work. And his work is pretty hideous. I wonder who created this “transcript” and how long it’s been floating atround? Haven’t bothered to picked the file apart yet. Work and stuff. Bleh.

  184. avatar
    Northland10 April 16, 2012 at 6:09 pm #

    It is the banned poster KenyaBornObamAcorn.

    Paul Pieniezny: In Maryland someone is filing an election challenge against Obama using the NAIROBI birth certificate. That one actually has a watermark stating that it is a forgery. meant to make apolitical point.

  185. avatar
    jbjd April 16, 2012 at 6:44 pm #

    For the first time, we now have evidence as to what Attorney Boyd Richie, Chair of the Texas Democratic Party used to certify to SoS Andrade that Barack Obama was federally qualified to have his name on the 2012 ballot, which certification of federal qualification was explicitly required by state law: Mr. Obama’s standard ballot application. BALLOT ENTITLEMENT LAWS should DISQUALIFY PRESIDENT OBAMA in TEXAS

    Mr. Richie chose to admit he swore to Mr. Obama’s eligibility without checking rather than to falsely claim, he based his certification on an image which was part of a political advertising campaign.

  186. avatar
    justlw April 16, 2012 at 7:01 pm #

    jbjd: Mr. Richie chose to admit he swore to Mr. Obama’s eligibility without checking rather than to falsely claim, he based his certification on an image which was part of a political advertising campaign.

    That would be a very strange thing for him to claim, falsely or otherwise. Why do you think he would claim that?

    He also did not claim that he based his certification on Trout Fishing in America. I would go so far as to say that there is a nearly limitless number of claims of this sort he did not make.

  187. avatar
    jbjd April 16, 2012 at 7:12 pm #

    justlw, claims that the images of Mr. Obama’s Hawaiian birth establish he is (at least) an American citizen permeate this blog. On the other hand, I have always maintained, these images cannot establish the ‘facts’ contained therein, as these images are only part of a paid political ad campaign. So, posting my comment on this blog, I reminded readers here that, notwithstanding the pages of ‘evidence of eligibility’ which are a mainstay of this blog; when confronted with a public records request for authenticating documentation, Mr. Richie failed to produce any facsimiles of this ‘evidence.’ Rather, he (tacitly) admitted, he didn’t check. Of course, as a legal threshold issue, he could not have checked, because he had no rules, as required by law. (All of this is explained in the post on my blog.)

  188. avatar
    RuhRoh April 16, 2012 at 7:23 pm #

    Now we have jbjd trolling here? What happened, did Citizen Wels ban you?

  189. avatar
    RuhRoh April 16, 2012 at 7:27 pm #

    Jbd, try to learn to read. No one here has ever said that an image on the internet defined Obama’s NBC status.

    In fact there are pages and pages of posts explaining how Obama qualified and none of them have anything to do with an image posted on the internet.

    If Citizen Wells finally banned you, please don’t think you are going to find a new home here. You won’t.

  190. avatar
    Thomas Brown April 16, 2012 at 7:29 pm #

    Northland10:
    It is the banned poster KenyaBornObamAcorn.

    She’s one of the 4 pinhead Birfers so far who clammed up and absquatulated after I bet them $1000 Obama will still be in office and nobody will have been indicted for forging any of his records by 1/1/2013.

    Some Birfers are wrong, while others are not quite right… if you get my drift. I think KBOA was born slow, and then drifted downhill and around the bend.

  191. avatar
    Keith April 16, 2012 at 7:30 pm #

    JPotter: A 30-year old transcript is typeset? Rights. Would have been dot-matrix in 1983.

    Probably a line printer, not dot matrix.

  192. avatar
    Keith April 16, 2012 at 7:32 pm #

    Keith: Probably a line printer, not dot matrix.

    I used a laser printer in 82/83. They were new and very big. And expensive.

  193. avatar
    Northland10 April 16, 2012 at 7:42 pm #

    jbjd: Mr. Richie chose to admit he swore to Mr. Obama’s eligibility without checking rather than to falsely claim, he based his certification on an image which was part of a political advertising campaign.

    So, if Mr. Richie or Obama have sworn that Obama was born in Hawaii, and this is not true, provide evidence showing he was born elsewhere. It is just that simple. Anything else is just a chance for debunkers to have fun playing with claims and birthers to scream, “any day now.”

  194. avatar
    justlw April 16, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

    jbjd: justlw, claims that the images of Mr. Obama’s Hawaiian birth establish he is (at least) an American citizen permeate this blog.

    No, they do not, at least not by anyone with any sense, unless by “images” you mean “the certified paper copies.”

    I’d have to say that most everyone here agrees that the images of Mr. Obama’s certificates are nothing more than that: images.

  195. avatar
    misha April 16, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

    jbjd: Mr. Richie failed to produce any facsimiles of this evidence.’

    I have read your comments and blog with interest.

    I found a Kenya BC (Obama’s?) that may be just what you are looking for.

    Thanks for visiting.

  196. avatar
    misha April 16, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

    Keith: I used a laser printer in 82/83. They were new and very big. And expensive.

    I could get it for you wholesale.

  197. avatar
    Thomas Brown April 16, 2012 at 8:13 pm #

    jbjd
    (All of this is explained in the post on my blog.)

    Your blog is a festering cesspool of nonsense. It may as well be a supermarket tabloid. You laughable assertions hold noore water than “I had Bigfoot’s baby” or “I saw Elvis at the Wal-Mart.”

    You still haven’t managed to grasp the central fact that you (or any challenger) must prove (as in “come up with hard evidence”) that BHO is ineligible, otherwise every Court, every Judge, every member of Congress and the Electoral College are going to accept that he was born in Hawaii, is a NBC, and is (and always was) perfectly eligible for his Office. All your blather… the nebulous doubts, illogical suspicions, vapid allegations and transparent smears… will mean precisely nothing.

    Meaning the President won’t ever have to show you diddley-squat.

    Oh, by the way… What do you think of Romney’s birth certificate, or all the other evidence he has provided that HE is eligible? Oh, wait, I forgot… you hypocrites never ask for documentation for white Republicans, only brown-skinned Democrats. You know, you might buy some credibility if you demanded the same level of proof from EVERY candidate!

    I’m not holding my breath ’til THAT happens.

    This afternoon I ordered 50 bumper-stickers:

    WHERE’S ROMNEY’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

    Personally, I hope he does produce one, so we can find 100 reasons why it’s an obvious forgery!

  198. avatar
    Scientist April 16, 2012 at 8:18 pm #

    jbjd: You admitted that the Republicans have done exactly what the Democrats have done to “verify” candidate eligibility. Since Texas is a state without which no Republican can possibly win, while it is no where on the list of must wins for the Democrats I wish you every success in removing both Obama and Romney from the Texas ballot,.

  199. avatar
    Scientist April 16, 2012 at 8:21 pm #

    Thomas Brown: “WHERE’S ROMNEY’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
    Personally, I hope he does produce one, so we can find 100 reasons why it’s an obvious forgery!

    Are you referring to the one from the Province of Ontario that records his actual birth in Windsor or the one from the State of Michigan reflecting the registration his parents got after they brought the baby across the Detroit River in a canoe.

  200. avatar
    misha April 16, 2012 at 8:23 pm #

    Thomas Brown: “I saw Elvis at the Wal-Mart.”

    I saw Elvis in the frozen food aisle.

    Thomas Brown: This afternoon I ordered 50 bumper-stickers: “WHERE’S ROMNEY’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE

    I ordered 50 bumper-stickers: “I WANT TO RIDE INSIDE”

    Dogs Against Romney: http://www.dogsagainstromney.com/

  201. avatar
    misha April 16, 2012 at 8:28 pm #

    Scientist: they brought the baby across the Detroit River in a canoe

    Tippecanoe and Tyler, too.

  202. avatar
    Bernard April 16, 2012 at 8:53 pm #

    RuhRoh: No one here has ever said that an image on the internet defined Obama’s NBC status.

    True enough. It’s the paper certificate with the impression seal that’s the real evidence. But, so far, there’s no law requiring the candidate to file his paper certificate anywhere. Hawaii and most other states charge at least $10 per certified copy and, if every birther and/or election official insisted on a certified copy of Obama’s b/c, the State of Hawaii would have to hire three or four more people just to churn out the copies and seal them.

    On the other hand, FactCheck saw the paper document at the White House, saw the impression seal, etc., and several high-ranking Hawaiian officials made public statements that the Obama b/c is the real deal, so I’d be inclined to accept the internet image under those circumstances.

    Ever since Dan Rather was blindsided with that fake Bush reservist document back in 2004 (which apparently was a Republican trick – a la Witness For The Prosecution – using the actual words of the real document in a word processed fake), everybody with a PC fancies himself Sherlock Holmes, even when they don’t understand all the technology involved.

  203. avatar
    RuhRoh April 16, 2012 at 9:57 pm #

    I’m admittedly skimming recent comments, but jbjd is not Tracey Fair (aka KenyaBornObamAcorn.) Ms. Fair is in her own distinct version of birther lunacy. jbjd is as well, but they are seperate strains of denial of reality.

  204. avatar
    Northland10 April 16, 2012 at 11:07 pm #

    RuhRoh:
    I’m admittedly skimming recent comments, but jbjd is not Tracey Fair (aka KenyaBornObamAcorn.) Ms. Fair is in her own distinct version of birther lunacy.jbjd is as well, but they are seperate strains of denial of reality.

    Paul had mentioned KBOA’s Maryland suit earlier, before jbjd showed up. And yes, KBOA is in her own little Birther corner.

  205. avatar
    Keith April 17, 2012 at 1:22 am #

    Scientist: Are you referring to the one from the Province of Ontario that records his actual birth in Windsor or the one from the State of Michigan reflecting the registration his parents got after they brought the baby across the Detroit River in a canoe.

    I’m pretty sure they would have just driven him across the Ambassador Bridge.

    In fact it just might have been this very car: 1946 Nash Ambassador ‘Slipstream’. A very classy way to travel, indeed.

    Research for this note led me to some interesting facts about the Ambassador Bridge including that it is privately owned by the biggest slumlord in Detroit and is the busiest border crossing (by commercial value) in North America.

  206. avatar
    misha April 17, 2012 at 2:45 am #

    Fox News Wins Pulitzer for Fiction

    Prize Committee Praises Imagination, Inventiveness

    Read on: http://www.borowitzreport.com/2012/04/17/fox-news-wins-pulitzer-for-fiction/

  207. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 17, 2012 at 4:45 am #

    I read your blog article and it seemed to me that you failed to made the argument that Mr. Richie was legally required to undertake some formal process of determining the eligibility of Barack Obama. The place of Obama’s birth was publicly known at the time and that alone should have been sufficient the way that I read it.

    jbjd: Mr. Richie failed to produce any facsimiles of this evidence.’ Rather, he (tacitly) admitted, he didn’t check. Of course, as a legal threshold issue, he could not have checked, because he had no rules, as required by law. (All of this is explained in the post on my blog.)

  208. avatar
    The Magic M April 17, 2012 at 4:51 am #

    Thomas Brown: who clammed up and absquatulated

    Thanks for teaching me a new interesting word today. 🙂

  209. avatar
    Arthur April 17, 2012 at 7:53 am #

    When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross, and wearing a skirt.

    Get a load of this despicable little flame thrower. Here name is Ann Barnhardt and according to her F.B. page, she’s an ardent Christian. She’s also a birther who fairly crackles with megalomaniacal hatred. Watching her, I see visions of a young corporal calling Germans to action. I think his name was Schicklgruber.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq0rxziwC_c

  210. avatar
    The Magic M April 17, 2012 at 9:28 am #

    Arthur: When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross

    That has been true of most types of fascism. Although the Nazis intended to abolish religion eventually, they had no problems declaring themselves Christians in the beginning and even claimed Jesus as “one of them”, an “Aryan” (pretty much as they tried with many icons of German culture, like Schiller and Goethe, whom they proclaimed to have been “national socialists” long before them). And of course their main claim to fame was displaying themselves as ultra-patriots, the whole “our country first, screw the rest” enchillada.

    Or did you think fascism would come to the US in the form of people with German accents and brown shirts openly declaring to hate God and the Constitution?

  211. avatar
    Bernard April 17, 2012 at 9:50 am #

    I assume that by “fascism”, you mean racialist politics rather than corporate-government conglomerate. The latter seems to have already settled in, without the racial overtones.

    But we had a jarring reminder of how close to the surface the ethnic animus was hiding when it became popular, about six months ago, for Gingrich and Santorum to find preachers who would declare that only “the right kind of Christian” was fit to be President. Immediate translation: no Mormon; further translation: no Jew. (Although the fact that Catholics Gingrich and Santorum made the cut did indicate some slight progress over the old Klan mentality.)

    We also had some interpretations of “natural-born citizen” floating around that seemed to be inspired by the “grandfather clauses” of the old Jim Crow laws designed to keep blacks from voting.

  212. avatar
    Arthur April 17, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    Bernard and Magic M:

    I regret my use of “fascism.” My intention was to direct attention to the video linked in my post. If you watch it, you may discover why I saw the ghost of a certain Austrian paper-hanger in her delivery and language, and especially in her eyes.

  213. avatar
    JPotter April 17, 2012 at 11:04 am #

    Arthur, quite a body of work she has on the YouTubes. Such ugly people living in such a beautiful place (she gives her address in her Koran-burning piece). She sure doesn’t like Mitt. Soooo… will these people start flocking to Gingrich now (heh)? Or will we see a rightwing backlash later on in the process? Perhaps a Deep Red Anti-Convention outside the Republican Convention?

    Or will they sit at home and fume on YouTube?

    Hey, maybe tehy’ll get creative and emerge as an underground, 3rd party movement! Going to take a lot of organizing to put up a candidate this late in the game tho. Better get cracking!

  214. avatar
    Rambo Ike April 17, 2012 at 11:56 am #

    Thomas Brown: Your blog is a festering cesspool of nonsense. It may as well be a supermarket tabloid. You laughable assertions hold noore water than “I had Bigfoot’s baby” or “I saw Elvis at the Wal-Mart.” You still haven’t managed to grasp the central fact that you (or any challenger) must prove (as in “come up with hard evidence”) that BHO is ineligible, otherwise every Court, every Judge, every member of Congress and the Electoral College are going to accept that he was born in Hawaii, is a NBC, and is (and always was) perfectly eligible for his Office. All your blather… the nebulous doubts, illogical suspicions, vapid allegations and transparent smears… will mean precisely nothing.Meaning the President won’t ever have to show you diddley-squat.Oh, by the way… What do you think of Romney’s birth certificate, or all the other evidence he has provided that HE is eligible? Oh, wait, I forgot… you hypocrites never ask for documentation for white Republicans, only brown-skinned Democrats. You know, you might buy some credibility if you demanded the same level of proof from EVERY candidate!I’m not holding my breath ’til THAT happens.This afternoon I ordered 50 bumper-stickers:“WHERE’S ROMNEY’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE?Personally, I hope he does produce one, so we can find 100 reasons why it’s an obvious forgery!

    When it comes to the Big Lie it most certainly has found a place to thrive within Thomas Brown’s cranial area.

    Big Lie #1: “You still haven’t managed to grasp the central fact that you (or any challenger) must prove (as in “come up with hard evidence”) that BHO is ineligible…”

    Fact: Prior to the 2008 election the DNC & HDP never certified 0bama as being constitutionally eligible. Thus it was, under the law, an illegal Democratic Party Ticket.

    Big Lie #2: “…you hypocrites never ask for documentation for white Republicans, only brown-skinned Democrats. You know, you might buy some credibility if you demanded the same level of proof from EVERY candidate!”

    Fact: The last 4 candidates on the presidential ballots of the 2 major parties have had their documents/records challenged/contested/questioned. 3 of them were white and no accusations of racism. Only when it was a dark-skinned candidate did his supporters become opportunists and begin pandering to his race by playing the race card and accusing those questioning his documents/records of being racists.

  215. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 17, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

    This is not a fact, but a birther flight of fancy.

    For flight information, see:
    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/01/new-report-on-obamas-democratic-party.html

    Rambo Ike: Fact: Prior to the 2008 election the DNC & HDP never certified 0bama as being constitutionally eligible. Thus it was, under the law, an illegal Democratic Party Ticket.

  216. avatar
    dunstvangeet April 17, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

    Rambo Ike: //Fact: The last 4 candidates on the presidential ballots of the 2 major parties have had their documents/records challenged/contested/questioned. 3 of them were white and no accusations of racism. Only when it was a dark-skinned candidate did his supporters become opportunists and begin pandering to his race by playing the race card and accusing those questioning his documents/records of being racists.

    Which ones released their birth certificates? Which one proved their birth in the United States? Mind showing me George W. Bush’s birth certificate, John Kerry’s birth certificate, or John McCain’s birth certificate? (John McCain showed his birth certificate to exactly one reporter. Never released it to the general public. I’ve never seen either George W. Bush’s birth certificate nor John Kerry’s.) Now, tell me which one of them were told, “I’m sorry, but the documentation that you’ve provided that in any court of law would provide ample proof of the documentation is actually false and forged, and you now need to produce documentation that the state doesn’t release anymore. And then when you actually release that documentation, we’ll call it a forgery and now demand that you let us into the vault to see what the State Department of Health actually has. And we’re not going to accept that unless it shows what we actually believe.”

  217. avatar
    sfjeff April 17, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    Rambo Ike: Fact: The last 4 candidates on the presidential ballots of the 2 major parties have had their documents/records challenged/contested/questioned. 3 of them were white and no accusations of racism. Only when it was a dark-skinned candidate did his supporters become opportunists and begin pandering to his race by playing the race card and accusing those questioning his documents/records of being racists.

    The last 4 candidates/records/challenged? Only if you are very, very lose with your interpretation of ‘challenged’.

    Birthers have produced a laundery list of documents that the claim that Barack Obama has not produced- and not one of those white candidates was ever asked to produce all of the documents that Birthers claim that Obama is ‘hiding’ by not turning them over to the Birther Inquisition.

    There was a infintismal demand for McCain’s birth certificate- one law suit- no public outcry- no chest thumping by Birthers or anyone else that he prove where he was born. And we never saw it. And no one demanded McCain’s academic records, or anything else. McCain volunteered to show his medical records in anticipation of my Dad’s comment(my Dad who is older than McCain said McCain was just too old).

    Bush? No demand he prove his eligibility. His college transcripts were leaked in the previous campaign. But of course again he never released the laundry list of documents Birthers demand of Obama- no demand for his kindergarten records, no demand for his MBA records or high school records. No demand for proof of how he got into Graduate school, or how it was financed.

    Kerry- the same. Other than the lies about his military records- the facts of which were ignored by his enemies anyway- he produced none of the information Birthers demand that Obama is ‘hiding’.

    The only one that Birthers demanded this all from- and still the only one they demand this from is the dark face amongst the sea of white faces.

    Coincidence? Maybe- but the fact remains that the only one you and they demand all of this from is the black candidate.

  218. avatar
    Thrifty April 17, 2012 at 2:57 pm #

    Fact: A lie does not become true simply because you precede it with the word “fact”. For example. For example….

    Fact: The sun orbits around the Earth.

    That is still a lie.

    Please cite a source for your declaration that previous candidates had their documents challenged. Politicians are frequently challenged for their “records”–meaning their records of voting on certain issues. No candidate in recent history aside from Barack Obama was accused of having fraudulent birth records or of lying about where he was born.

    Rambo Ike:
    Fact: The last 4 candidates on the presidential ballots of the 2 major parties have had their documents/records challenged/contested/questioned. 3 of them were white and no accusations of racism. Only when it was a dark-skinned candidate did his supporters become opportunists and begin pandering to his race by playing the race card and accusing those questioning his documents/records of being racists.

  219. avatar
    Rickey April 17, 2012 at 3:12 pm #

    Rambo Ike:

    Fact: The last 4 candidates on the presidential ballots of the 2 major parties have had their documents/records challenged/contested/questioned. 3 of them were white and no accusations of racism. Only when it was a dark-skinned candidate did his supporters become opportunists and begin pandering to his race by playing the race card and accusing those questioning his documents/records of being racists.

    More nonsense. Nobody questioned where Bush, Kerry and McCain were born. Some people questioned whether McCain was eligible, but everyone conceded that he was born in Panama. No demands were made on any of them to produce:

    1. Birth certificates
    2. Passports
    3. Social Security records
    4. School and kindergarten records
    5. Hospital records of their births
    6. Selective Service registration records

    I, for one, would have liked to have seen McCain release his entire Navy records, particularly his officer fitness reports, but he chose not to do so. However, those records would not have had anything to do with his eligibility, which I never questioned.

  220. avatar
    Bernard April 17, 2012 at 3:16 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Fact: Prior to the 2008 election the DNC & HDP never certified 0bama as being constitutionally eligible.

    Prior to 2008, Obama qualified as a US citizen sufficient to get a US passport, be elected to the Illinois legislature, and be elected to the US Senate. I am unaware of any requirement that the Democratic (or the Republican) National Committee having to “certify” someone years before he becomes the nominee or even a candidate for President. I am not sure what HDP means – maybe Hawaii Dept of ? – but the same applies.

  221. avatar
    gorefan April 17, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    Rambo Ike: When it comes to the Big Lie

    The birthers have long ago given up on the Big Lie, they moved effortlessly through the the Bigger Lie and have for sometime been comfortably embracing the Biggest Lie.

  222. avatar
    Bernard April 17, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    Rambo Ike:

    Fact: The last 4 candidates on the presidential ballots of the 2 major parties have had their documents/records challenged/contested/questioned. 3 of them were white and no accusations of racism.

    Let’s see. Last four candidates:
    Kerry
    Obama
    Bush
    McCain

    I don’t recall anyone expressing interest in either Kerry’s or Bush’s birth certificate.
    McCain made no bones about being born in Panama, so there wasn’t much interest in the paperwork.
    So maybe a little bit for McCain and a lot of fuss about Obama.

    On the other hand, the Republicans nominated Charles Evans Hughes as their 1916 candidate for President (he lost to Woodrow Wilson). Hughes had been chief justice and had been born in NY to two British subjects. Evidently his opinion, as chief justice, was that his parents’ nationality did not affect his status as a natural-born citizen. The Republican Party didn’t seem to mind either. Offhand what differences between Charles Evans Hughes and Barack Hussein Obama?

  223. avatar
    Rickey April 17, 2012 at 3:32 pm #

    An interesting citizenship issue has come up in the case of an American woman who gave birth to twins in Israel following in-vitro fertilization from an anonymous sperm donor. The State Department “is refusing to grant citizenship to her children because she is unable to prove that any of the donors are American citizens.”

    The news report says that “children born to Americans overseas through in-vitro fertilization are denied American citizenship unless a donor can be proved to be a U.S. citizen. The laws were created to prevent people from fraudulently attaining status as Americans.”

    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/47073090/ns/today-today_news/#.T43CcNmibag

    The article does not identify the applicable statute.

  224. avatar
    Keith April 17, 2012 at 3:33 pm #

    Bernard: I am not sure what HDP means

    I’m guessing it refers to the Hawai’ian Democratic Party.

  225. avatar
    Scientist April 17, 2012 at 4:13 pm #

    Rickey: An interesting citizenship issue has come up in the case of an American woman who gave birth to twins in Israel following in-vitro fertilization from an anonymous sperm donor. The State Department “is refusing to grant citizenship to her children because she is unable to prove that any of the donors are American citizens.”The news report says that “children born to Americans overseas through in-vitro fertilization are denied American citizenship unless a donor can be proved to be a U.S. citizen. The laws were created to prevent people from fraudulently attaining status as Americans.” http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/47073090/ns/today-today_news/#.T43CcNmibagThe article does not identify the applicable statute.

    Apparently, both the eggs and sperm came from unknown donors. However, it seems to me that by any reasonable standard, she is the mother (the egg donor is really a donor not a mother). More broadly, how does the US gain by denying citizenship to these children? Don’t countries benefit from having more citizens? Especially since the US taxes citizens even when they don’t set foot in the US. The policy seems foolish…

  226. avatar
    insomnia April 17, 2012 at 4:41 pm #

    These are the US state department rules regarding in vitro procedures in another country:

    http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship … p_782.html

    They clearly warn that using donor egg/sperm that is not that of US citizens could result in children who are not US citizens at birth and may end up “stateless”.

    The rules were written mostly for those hiring a surrogate mother in another country.

    They also say that most cases will be decided on an individual basis, but recommend hiring a lawyer before getting in vitro and to know the regulations.

    Scientist: Apparently, both the eggs and sperm came from unknown donors.However, it seems to me that by any reasonable standard, she is the mother (the egg donor is really a donor not a mother).More broadly, how does the US gain by denying citizenship to these children?Don’t countries benefit from having more citizens?Especially since the US taxes citizens even when they don’t set foot in the US.The policy seems foolish…

  227. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith April 17, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

    Dear critical & analytical thinkers Ive published a new hypercritical-hairsplitting report!

    Single parent mother US citizen Ellie Lavi: my twin daughters denied US citizenship and Natural Born Citizen status.

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/single-parent-mother-us-citizen-ellie-lavi-my-twin-daughters-denied-us-citizenship-and-natural-born-citizen-status/

    Dear readers of the Was Obama Born In Kenya blog, whether you be of Birther stock or Obotopian decent, please aid and accommodate me in understanding this hypercritical-hairspliting scenario (perhaps a double-standard scenario?) that has now made its way to the front lines and let me know what your thoughts are on this captivating matter.

    Thanks!

  228. avatar
    US Citizen April 17, 2012 at 5:49 pm #

    Thank you for the alternate link on Lou Goldstein, Misha.
    I’m only half Jewish, but I grew up on Borscht Belt comedians.
    Their quickness, timing and inventiveness made standup comedy an artform.
    The Catskills was the early Vegas, but all bets were off.
    Thanks.

  229. avatar
    JPotter April 17, 2012 at 6:17 pm #

    NPR piece today comparing French Presidential politics to American:

    http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=5&prgDate=04-17-2012

    It’s the 4th segment down.

    It’s a Ted Koppel piece, I believe they said he has a similar segment on 30 Rock tomorrow night on NBC.

  230. avatar
    JPotter April 17, 2012 at 6:21 pm #

    Oops, that’s “Rock Center.”

    Gues who doesn’t watch TV much.

  231. avatar
    Majority Will April 17, 2012 at 7:20 pm #

    US Citizen: I’m only half Jewish, but I grew up on Borscht Belt comedians.

    Top or bottom half?

    A close relative of mine was at a cocktail party when a woman asked her, “So, where is your better half?” She sharply replied, “From the waist down but I don’t see how that’s any of your business.” True story.

  232. avatar
    J. Potter April 17, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    Another great presentation that goes to the multifaceted heart of our topic here, and the state of our public discourse in general:

    Notes on “The Information Diet”
    KWGS* Head Honcho Rick Fisher interviews Clay Johnson, author of The Information Diet
    Topics covered … information overload, the monetization of ‘news’, sensationalism, need for sourcing in reporting, affirmation, affirmation, affirmation** … how dysfunctional relationships with information can poison/retard social relationships … much more.

    It’s a great show, a repeat from January when the book*** was published, I’ve listened to it twice and intend to listen to it again. They squeezed a lot in this 30 min!

    * My alma mater’s NPR station.
    ** Read: The intentional stroking of confirmation bias.
    *** Also highly recommended!

  233. avatar
    misha April 17, 2012 at 10:15 pm #

    US Citizen: I’m only half Jewish, but I grew up on Borscht Belt comedians.

    Majority Will: Top or bottom half?

    “Since my daughter is only half-Jewish, could she go in the water up to her knees?”
    – Groucho Marx, when excluded from a beach club on racial grounds

  234. avatar
    misha April 17, 2012 at 10:19 pm #

    Rambo Ike: Fact: The last 4 candidates on the presidential ballots of the 2 major parties have had their documents/records challenged/contested/questioned. 3 of them were white and no accusations of racism.

    Name them, and provide links to the documents and records.

  235. avatar
    Paper April 17, 2012 at 10:53 pm #

    I beg to differ. They like all sizes of lies. Venti, grande, tall, small, multi-level, and octagonal. Lies are their french fries; they’re all good.

    gorefan: The birthers have long ago given up on the Big Lie, they moved effortlessly through the the Bigger Lie and have for sometime been comfortably embracing the Biggest Lie.

  236. avatar
    misha April 17, 2012 at 11:23 pm #

    Rambo Ike: Thus it was, under the law, an illegal Democratic Party Ticket.

    The Iraq war was illegal.

  237. avatar
    misha April 17, 2012 at 11:30 pm #

    The Magic M: Or did you think fascism would come to the US in the form of people with German accents and brown shirts

    It’s coming to Israel, from people with Hebrew accents and plain clothes:

    “Settler leader calls democracy an obstacle to Israel’s higher calling

    Veteran settler leader Benny Katzover: ‘We didn’t come here to establish a democratic state.’

    Katzover’s comments appear to reflect a growing radicalization among some right-wing religious groups, coming at a time of a rise in attacks on Palestinians by vigilante settlers and an increase in complaints by liberal Israelis that the country’s right-wing parliament and government have launched an unprecedented attack on the pillars of democracy.”

    Read on:
    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/settler-leader-calls-democracy-an-obstacle-to-israel-s-higher-calling-1.407490

  238. avatar
    misha April 17, 2012 at 11:41 pm #

    The Magic M: Or did you think fascism would come to the US in the form of people with German accents and brown shirts

    “Senior IDF officer beats pro-Palestinian activist with rifle” – video: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/video-senior-idf-officer-beats-pro-palestinian-activist-with-rifle-1.424454

  239. avatar
    SC April 18, 2012 at 3:22 am #

    Stephen Colbert (on fake scandalous photo of Barack Obama created by his show): “And you may ask, was this photoshopped? Yes, but it was photoshopped on his watch.”

    .

  240. avatar
    Majority Will April 18, 2012 at 4:33 am #

    The mother of all irony meter explosions?

    Santorum letter: Romney as nominee truly frightens me’

    (excerpt) “It truly frightens me to think what’ll happen if Mitt Romney is the nominee,” reads the undated letter, which is signed by Santorum and paid for by his campaign.

    (source: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/santorum-letter-romney-nominee-frightens/story?id=16160954#.T457Zu1EE8c)

  241. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 18, 2012 at 6:17 am #

    Interesting program. I’ve said before that I consciously avoid news sources that are biased the same way that I am.

    J. Potter: Another great presentation that goes to the multifaceted heart of our topic here, and the state of our public discourse in general

  242. avatar
    The Magic M April 18, 2012 at 6:53 am #

    dunstvangeet: Which ones released their birth certificates? Which one proved their birth in the United States?

    The point where the birther story really gets absurd is when they reply to that by basically claiming “Congress vetted the previous Presidents but did not vet Obama”, especially if you look at how many Congress members of 2008 also were members of Congress in 2004 and 2000 when GWB was “vetted”.
    Birther history requires us to believe that all these people who so eagerly and thoroughly vetted Bush suddenly turned into negligent traitors who didn’t bother vetting Obama.
    And that somehow you could trust these same people in 2004 but not anymore in 2008.

    That’s one of the most glaring examples of inconsistency among their alternate reality stories.

  243. avatar
    Northland10 April 18, 2012 at 7:11 am #

    misha: It’s coming to Israel, from people with Hebrew accents and plain clothes:

    And supported in part by “Christian Zionists” such as John Hagee and his followers.

  244. avatar
    Northland10 April 18, 2012 at 7:23 am #

    Rambo Ike: The last 4 candidates on the presidential ballots of the 2 major parties have had their documents/records challenged/contested/questioned.

    The only documents I recall being challenged for Bush were those containing hanging chads.

  245. avatar
    JPotter April 18, 2012 at 9:54 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Interesting program. I’ve said before that I consciously avoid news sources that are biased the same way that I am.

    Wise choice. I don’t care in which direction the hyperbole and yelling are aimed, I don’t enjoy hyperbole or yelling. I enjoyed how Johnson compared biased opinionating to high-fat foods, and therefore watching FOX & MSNBC to doubling up on dessert. And his point that the whole culture of consuming and spewing opinion is itself consuming, and sucks its participants out of their own lives and communities, to the detriment of both. Consume consciously. Vote with your mouse and remote.

  246. avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross) April 18, 2012 at 10:12 am #

    Northland10: The only documents I recall being challenged for Bush were those containing hanging chads.

    Birthers get confused when it comes to the guard situation. It wasn’t Bush’s documents that were being questioned. It was the gap in his records for the year he was serving in Alabama. It’s also the problems that occured based on what the documents said. Like how he was grounded from flying after failing to show up for a medical exam. Like how he requested a transfer to the Alabama unit, was denied transfer went anyway then suddenly got his request approved after he had already left to help campaign for his father’s friend. There’s about a year that was missing and even Bush’s own campaign mentioned that there were records lost and missing.

  247. avatar
    JPotter April 18, 2012 at 11:17 am #

    Obama’s father among secret files on Kenyan students

    British colonial files released following legal challenge

    Can’t wait to see where birthers plug this snippet in.

  248. avatar
    Bernard April 18, 2012 at 11:38 am #

    (1) This one thread has wandered very far afield and I suggest that it come to an end and two or more more specific threads start up in its wake.

    (2) My interest in this is only in Obama’s status as a natural born citizen and I assume most people who came to this website feel the same.

    (3) Other candidates were the target of curiosity for papers unrelated to their status as eligible citizens, but more related to their intellectual/ethical fitness.

    (4) It may have started in the wake of the Warren Report, but it certainly got a boost from the Dan Rather business in the 2004 campaign; everybody wants to play Sherlock Holmes, mostly to challenge official reports rather than defend them. However, with the Photoshop anomalies of the internet image of the Obama b.c, the vast majority of these Junior G-men are out of their depth.

  249. avatar
    Thomas Brown April 18, 2012 at 11:41 am #

    Bernard: However, with the Photoshop anomalies of the internet image of the Obama b.c, the vast majority of these Junior G-men are out of their depth.

    There are no signs of Photoshop in any image released by the White House. None. At all. The hallucinated “anomalies” are all fully explained already as artifacts of scanning and compression, and are a dead issue.

  250. avatar
    richCares April 18, 2012 at 11:44 am #

    “with the Photoshop anomalies of the internet image of the Obama b.c, ”
    can someone explain why all the referances to PhotoShop which was not used in the on line bc?

  251. avatar
    The Magic M April 18, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater (Bob Ross): There’s about a year that was missing and even Bush’s own campaign mentioned that there were records lost and missing.

    The problem with birthers is that they would claim GWB went on an al-Quaeda training camp in that period. No, wait, they wouldn’t, because he was white…

  252. avatar
    JPotter April 18, 2012 at 12:34 pm #

    Bernard: (1) This one thread has wandered very far afield and I suggest that it come to an end and two or more more specific threads start up in its wake.

    See the title of the thread.

  253. avatar
    Bernard April 18, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

    regarding the ref to Photoshop:

    The White House posted the image of Obama’s b/c on the internet without using Photoshop; evidently just using conventional scanning.

    However, various birthers, using Photoshop and similar imaging software to analyze the scanned image, have claimed evidence of “layers’ and other anomalies that, to them, suggest that the image is somehow faked. It turns out that Real Experts on imagining have been able to explain these anomalies as the result of misunderstanding some of the details of scanning/Photoshop technology, including what happens when Photoshop sensitivity is set too high. And a part of this confusion is the result of the security paper used by Hawaii (pursuant to a 2004 federal law) to print out its b/c, as this paper’s pattern is deliberately designed to frustrate copy machines and Photoshop software.

  254. avatar
    jbjd April 18, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy writes, “I read your blog article and it seemed to me that you failed to made (sic) the argument that Mr. Richie was legally required to undertake some formal process of determining the eligibility of Barack Obama. The place of Obama’s birth was publicly known at the time and that alone should have been sufficient the way that I read it.” Then, let me repeat, under TX law, in order for party candidates for President to be entitled to appear on the ballot, the party Chairs must have filed with the SoS adopted rules that spell out how they verified the candidates are federally qualified for the job. Neither the TDP nor the RPT filed those rules; nor could they have, since these rules do not exist.

    Thus, the TDP was already not entitled to have its Presidential candidates – and there are 4 of them – to appear on the ballot. But, the SoS could use her discretion to keep these candidates on the ballot. Only, there is still the problem of swearing as to the candidate’s federal eligibility. Did the party chairs perpetrate fraud by swearing to eligibility without checking? Well, the RPT didn’t respond to a records request for the basis of their certifications. As prescribed by the TX Public Information Act, a formal complaint has been filed with AG Abbott. The TDP did respond, providing only Mr. Obama’s application to appear on the ballot.

    Yes, as you suggest, one might speculate, Mr. Richie ‘knew’ Mr. Obama was federally qualified and so, based his certification to the SoS on this personal knowledge. Theoretically, this could counter a charge he had committed ballot fraud by submitting the certification without documentation of the facts. However, the candidate admitted to doubts whether he was a citizen, and provided what his campaign characterized was ‘documentation’ of his Hawaiian birth in June 2008 and April 2011. I argued that, if this documentation provided such proof; it made no sense to me that Mr. Richie would have subjected himself to charges of ballot fraud by not using (and, subsequently by not producing in response to the document request) such documentation. On the other hand, I reasoned that, if the documents do not establish a Hawaiian birth on account they are only campaign advertising then, better Mr. Richie should not claim them as the basis for his certification and in so doing provide evidence that tends to further establish the fraud.
    BALLOT ENTITLEMENT LAWS should DISQUALIFY PRESIDENT OBAMA in TEXAS

  255. avatar
    Rickey April 18, 2012 at 1:56 pm #

    The attorneys for the DNC have destroyed the Minor v. Happersett argument in the Motion to Dismiss the Liberty Legal Foundation lawsuit in Arizona.

    Plaintiffs’ SAC relies entirely on Minor v. Happersett. (Doc. No. 10 ~ 2) But contrary to Plaintiffs’ characterizations, Minor did not exclusively define “‘natural-born citizens’ as ‘all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens.”’ Indeed, the Court expressly left open the question of whether a child born to alien parents is a “natural born citizen” because it was not necessary to the disposition of the case. See Minor, 88 U.S. at 167-68 (noting that it was not necessary to resolve existing doubts as to whether a child born in the United States, “without reference to the citizenship of their parents,” is a “natural-born citizen(J”).9 That question was in effect resolved in Wong Kim Ark, which held that ” (e) every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States,” and not at a later time by naturalization or some other means. 169 U.S. at 702. The very essence of a natural born citizen is that s/he becomes a citizen “at once” upon birth, and not at some later time.

    And in a footnote:

    Plaintiffs’ lack of candor on the limitations of the United States Supreme Court case that they claim dictates the outcome here is inexplicable.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/89710419/AZ-LLF-2012-040-16-DNC-Motion-to-Dismiss-amp-Memo-Re-Same

  256. avatar
    BillTheCat April 18, 2012 at 1:57 pm #

    @jbjd

    Thanks for the laugh. Your website is utter nonsense as well. Your mishmash of “reasoning” will fall on deaf ears in any courtroom you attempt to bring it to.

    Have fun!

  257. avatar
    JPotter April 18, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    jbjd: yaddayaddayadda

    Is he trying to say there should be no major-party candidates in the Texas primary for either party? What would that accomplish?

    Thanks for bringing it around to a laserlike focus on Obama at the end. I was almost convinced you were really nuts!

  258. avatar
    sfjeff April 18, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    jbjd:

    However, the candidate admitted to doubts whether he was a citizen, and provided what his campaign characterized was documentation’ of his Hawaiian birth in June 2008 and April 2011

    When pray tell did Obama ever admit to doubts whether he was a citizen?

    Considering he held a very public news conference where he showed that he was, and that the State of Hawaii publicly declared he was born there….what are you smoking?

  259. avatar
    jbjd April 18, 2012 at 2:42 pm #

    sfjeff:
    jbjd:

    However, the candidate admitted to doubts whether he was a citizen, and provided what his campaign characterized was documentation’ of his Hawaiian birth in June 2008 and April 2011

    When pray tell did Obama ever admit to doubts whether he was a citizen?

    Considering he held a very public news conference where he showed that he was, and that the State of Hawaii publicly declared he was born there….what are you smoking?

    I searched for a JPEG of the original (2008) FTS page on which the admission of doubts as to birthplace is more pronounced but have not yet found it. Here is a reasonable facsimile. (Read text in the scroll bar on the left.)

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/09/obama-admits-th.html

  260. avatar
    Jim April 18, 2012 at 2:55 pm #

    jbjd: I searched for a JPEG of the original (2008) FTS page on which the admission of doubts as to birthplace is more pronounced but have not yet found it. Here is a reasonable facsimile. (Read text in the scroll bar on the left.)

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/09/obama-admits-th.html

    No, the candidate NEVER had doubts about his birth in Hawaii. However, in his books and on the campaign trail, he did admit that his father was a citizen of Kenya at the time of his birth and some wackos decided that statement was enough to say he admitted he wasn’t a natural-born citizen. That’s what you’ll find when you do your search.

  261. avatar
    Thrifty April 18, 2012 at 2:56 pm #

    Ummmm what? It just says that Barack Obama was born with Kenyan and American citizenship, but lost his Kenyan citizenship on his 18th birthday when he failed to swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya or renounce his American citizenship,

    Silly Birthers, saying that something completely unambiguous says something else.

    jbjd: I searched for a JPEG of the original (2008) FTS page on which the admission of doubts as to birthplace is more pronounced but have not yet found it. Here is a reasonable facsimile. (Read text in the scroll bar on the left.)

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/09/obama-admits-th.html

  262. avatar
    RuhRoh April 18, 2012 at 2:58 pm #

    jbjd, that link to Atlas Shrugs is totally irrelevant. It’s simply another version of the completely inaccurate idea that one needs two US citizen parents to be a natural born citizen.

  263. avatar
    RuhRoh April 18, 2012 at 2:59 pm #

    Thrifty: Ummmm what? It just says that Barack Obama was born with Kenyan and American citizenship, but lost his Kenyan citizenship on his 18th birthday when he failed to swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya or renounce his American citizenship,Silly Birthers, saying that something completely unambiguous says something else.

    Facts and relevance are very confusing to Birthers. Always.

  264. avatar
    Thrifty April 18, 2012 at 3:00 pm #

    Oh I get it. JBJD is peddling the crank legal theory that states that anyone with dual citizenship cannot be a natural born citizen. Apparently the qualifications of who we Americans pick as president is subject to the laws of every OTHER country on Earth. Now I’m terrified that Kim Jong Un is going to declare every human being born within the western hemisphere to be a North Korean citizen for life, completely and irrevocably. In 40 or 50 years, we’re gonna be so screwed because nobody can run for President.

  265. avatar
    jbjd April 18, 2012 at 3:08 pm #

    Thrifty:
    Oh I get it.JBJD is peddling the crank legal theory that states that anyone with dual citizenship cannot be a natural born citizen.Apparently the qualifications of who we Americans pick as president is subject to the laws of every OTHER country on Earth.Now I’m terrified that Kim Jong Un is going to declare every human being born within the western hemisphere to be a North Korean citizen for life, completely and irrevocably.In 40 or 50 years, we’re gonna be so screwed because nobody can run for President.

    I claimed that, in 2008, on FTS, then D Presidential nominee wannabe Barack Obama admitted doubts existed as to whether he was Constitutionally qualified for the job. Here on this blog, those claims were denied. Now, I posted a link to a JPEG image in which language shown in the sidebar (on the left) indicates, the speaker is acknowledging the public questions the candidate’s place of birth. (If the D campaign didn’t keep deleting web images every time they re-name and re-direct previous campaigns; it wouldn’t take so long to find the original image referenced.)

    Of course, even if such language didn’t exist; merely posting the COLB image on FTS implicitly acknowledges, public questions about Mr. Obama’s birthplace is one of those smears being fought.

  266. avatar
    Bernard April 18, 2012 at 3:17 pm #

    An example of a mention of the Photoshop anomalies with the internet image of the Obama b/c is at:
    http://wireupdate.com/video/2011/04/president-obamas-birth-certificate-pdf-has-layers/

    And it is an erroneous legal theory that a “natural-born citizen” cannot possibly had dual citizenship or otherwise be the subject of some claim by a foreign country. Some people making this argument seem to think that there is a third option besides people who are born citizens and those who became naturalized citizens; there is no third option. There is no provision in federal law – since the Founding of the Republic – for the naturalization of anyone who was actually born in the US; such people are citizens from birth, notwithstanding the nationality of either or both of their parents. It follows that such people qualify as “natural born citizens”, and several court cases use that expression to describe people born here even when both parents are foreign nationals.

    Over the years, and especially in the last 50 years, the Constitutional provision about “natural born citizen” has been criticized as unhelpful, unnecessary, and confusing. There was even an effort about 7 years ago to repeal it specifically for Arnold Schwarzeneggar. A Constitutional provision is not supposed to be ignored, but it seems reasonable that one that has become unhelpful and unnecessary can be interpreted broadly rather than strictly. In this case, however, even legal authority made when there was strict construction makes clear that a natural born citizen may have one or even both parents who are non-citizens and may be entitled to dual or concurrent citizenship or subject to a claim by a foreign country.

  267. avatar
    BillTheCat April 18, 2012 at 3:21 pm #

    jbjd: I searched for a JPEG of the original (2008) FTS page on which the admission of doubts as to birthplace is more pronounced but have not yet found it. Here is a reasonable facsimile. (Read text in the scroll bar on the left.)http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/09/obama-admits-th.html

    Sorry, you lost us when you posted a link to the well-known bigot Geller’s rant site Atlas Shrugged. Real paragon of facts there.

    Get back to us when any of your research or “facts” comes from a credible source.

  268. avatar
    Obsolete April 18, 2012 at 3:40 pm #

    Perhaps jbjd is referring to Obama’s fictional stunning confession that he was not Natural Born during the debate with Alan Keyes while running for Illinois Senate.

    You know, the one which no one can find the video of, which birthers claimed they had but was remotely wiped off of their hard drives, and Alan Keyes has denied ever happening, which means Obama had it wiped from his memory as well.

  269. avatar
    Arthur April 18, 2012 at 3:45 pm #

    jbjd:

    Thank you for clarifying what you meant. Originally, you wrote,

    “However, the candidate admitted to doubts whether he was a citizen, and provided what his campaign characterized was documentation’ of his Hawaiian birth in June 2008 and April 2011.”

    The way you worded that sentence suggested that Obama was admitting that he personally had doubts about whether he was a citizen.

    In your revised sentence,

    “I claimed that, in 2008, on FTS, then D Presidential nominee wannabe Barack Obama admitted doubts existed as to whether he was Constitutionally(sic) qualified for the job”

    you seem to be saying that other people had doubts about his citizenship, which is an accurate statement. You could also have written, “In 2008, I said Barack Obama acknowledged that some people questioned whether he was constitutionally qualified for the job.”

  270. avatar
    jtmunkus April 18, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

    Geir Smith:
    They’re out after the next buck coming their way. They all have garages to build and vacations to pay. That’s life. Life is good when you’re at the receving end. Enjoy it before heading to heaven or maybe hell for a few of them, if they’re criminals alongside their bribery.

    If they’re not listening to you, why don’t you send some contributions to your representatives? You obviously can’t beat ’em.

    So join ’em.

  271. avatar
    RuhRoh April 18, 2012 at 3:56 pm #

    Anyone else having a lot of fun reading Orly’s request to have Judge Coleman removed from her MS case?

    It’s on her malware-infested site, but also here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/90010590/MS-2012-04-18-TAITZ-Motion-to-Reassign-the-Judge

    There are so many things wrong with it that it could really carry it’s own thread.

  272. avatar
    BillTheCat April 18, 2012 at 4:09 pm #

    RuhRoh: Anyone else having a lot of fun reading Orly’s request to have Judge Coleman removed from her MS case?It’s on her malware-infested site, but also here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/90010590/MS-2012-04-18-TAITZ-Motion-to-Reassign-the-JudgeThere are so many things wrong with it that it could really carry it’s own thread.

    She is in deep, deep trouble, and she doesn’t have a single clue that is the case. I can barely contain my excitement for May 7th to arrive. She is toast.

  273. avatar
    JPotter April 18, 2012 at 4:16 pm #

    RuhRoh: Anyone else having a lot of fun reading Orly’s request to have Judge Coleman removed from her MS case?

    I just had a moderate amount of fun skimming, thanks!

    Notice how she repeatedly, dozens of times, lowercased “judge Coleman”?

    Wow … “Please help me. As I repeatedly thumb you in the eye ….. will you help me now? will you help me now? How about now?

    And the drama … and the blameshifting … IANAL, but I think courts expect attorney to handle their own schizznit.

  274. avatar
    sfjeff April 18, 2012 at 4:20 pm #

    jbjd: I searched for a JPEG of the original (2008) FTS page on which the admission of doubts as to birthplace is more pronounced but have not yet found it. Here is a reasonable facsimile. (Read text in the scroll bar on the left.)http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/09/obama-admits-th.html

    Frankly I still have no clue as to what you are talking about.

    If you claim that there exist people who have expressed doubts about Obama’s citizenship- of course they exist- they are known as Birthers and are ridiculed by all thinking people.

    If you are claiming that Barack Obama himself ever expressed any such doubts, your link shows no such thing.

    One of the red flags about people making claims like this is that you tend to provide a link- but not a quote.

    Because there is never the quote.

    There is always some Birther providing his or her interpretation of what they think something means.

    Give me Obama’s quote or just admit you fell for more Birther lies.

  275. avatar
    misha April 18, 2012 at 4:37 pm #

    jbjd: Here is a reasonable facsimile. (Read text in the scroll bar on the left.)
    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/09/obama-admits-th.html

    Pamela Geller is a shonde. She, like Orly, Breitbart and Roy Cohn, are cut from the same cloth.

    Geller has pulled off the impossible: a Jewish woman managed to get her website labeled a hate site, by the SPLC.

  276. avatar
    RetiredLawyer April 18, 2012 at 4:40 pm #

    As an aside, anyone have any thoughts on Ann Romney’s attack on Obama for (gasp!) eating dog meat. When he was eight years old. As served by his step-father. In Indonesia where it is, of course, acceptable fare?

    Let’s see, Ann & her husband pack their dog on the roof of their car for a long trip. When they are both adults. vs. A very young child is served the local fare by his step-father. Umm, anyone else wonder why the Romneys are out of touch?

  277. avatar
    RuhRoh April 18, 2012 at 4:54 pm #

    I can’t quite figure out what sent Orly off the deep end this time and provoked her to send that ill-conceived collection of lies, speculation and insullts to Judge Coleman.

    Was it that she is due in court for another case that she’s losing today?

    Is she that worried about Tepper working with the Democratic Party?

    Bad hair day?

  278. avatar
    RuhRoh April 18, 2012 at 5:03 pm #

    RetiredLawyer: As an aside, anyone have any thoughts on Ann Romney’s attack on Obama for (gasp!) eating dog meat. When he was eight years old. As served by his step-father. In Indonesia where it is, of course, acceptable fare? Let’s see, Ann & her husband pack their dog on the roof of their car for a long trip. When they are both adults. vs. A very young child is served the local fare by his step-father. Umm, anyone else wonder why the Romneys are out of touch?

    Next we’ll probably find out that Obama once stole a cookie from the jar at Grandma’s and spoiled his dinner. *yawn*

    And I don’t think either of the Romneys have helped their Seamus case by insisting that they tortured the poor dog on a regular basis, instead of only once. If they’d said “You know, that was a mistake. We didn’t think it through. We regret it to this day and made a donation in his name to XYZ Animal Charity when we realized the error of our ways,” it might have been forgotten.

  279. avatar
    Reality Check April 18, 2012 at 5:40 pm #

    Hi jbjd!

    I am sure the voters in Texas will be thrilled at your efforts to disenfranchise them in the November election. I fully support your efforts since there is a much better chance that Mitt Romney will carry Texas than Barack Obama (give it about one more election cycle though and Texas will be purple or even blue). I doubt there is any scenario where Romney would have a chance without Texas. Unfortunately, it will not work out for you and both of the major party candidates will be on the ballot since no meaningful violation of the law has occurred.

  280. avatar
    JPotter April 18, 2012 at 6:03 pm #

    RuhRoh: And I don’t think either of the Romneys have helped their Seamus case by insisting that they tortured the poor dog on a regular basis, instead of only once. If they’d said “You know, that was a mistake. We didn’t think it through. We regret it to this day and made a donation in his name to XYZ Animal Charity when we realized the error of our ways,” it might have been forgotten.

    Definitely. It was like, 30 years ago, right? They could say they were young and dumb. They watched Nat’l Lampoon’s too many times. Whatever. Instead, when weighing weighing the details (pulling over, seeing the dog had soiled itself, hosing it down and strapping it right back in, never-ever-ever deciding to turn around…) which they haven’t bothered to refute (it’s a personal family story, just lie about it! I mean …. are there pictures?!?) … it’s clearer and clearer that they are straight out of Nat’l Lampoon’s.

  281. avatar
    misha April 18, 2012 at 6:18 pm #

    RetiredLawyer: As an aside, anyone have any thoughts on Ann Romney’s attack on Obama for (gasp!) eating dog meat. When he was eight years old. As served by his step-father. In Indonesia where it is, of course, acceptable fare?

    It’s an act of desperation. Romney can’t go near that third rail, so this is what is going to dog him for the campaign.

  282. avatar
    jbjd April 18, 2012 at 6:58 pm #

    Reality Check:
    Hi jbjd!

    I am sure the voters in Texas will be thrilled at your efforts to disenfranchise them in the November election. I fully support your efforts since there is a much better chance that Mitt Romney will carry Texas than Barack Obama (give it about one more election cycle though and Texas will be purple or even blue). I doubt there is any scenario where Romney would have a chance without Texas. Unfortunately, it will not work out for you and both of the major party candidates will be on the ballot since no meaningful violation of the law has occurred.

    Hey RC!

    Texans just wanted the SoS to compel the parties to promulgate rules to carry out the ‘federally qualified’ provision of the statute in time for the general election. And, I trust you understand, if the D party is unwilling to adopt those eligibility rules or, to carry them out in TX then, this inures to the detriment of D’s throughout the country, including the candidate.

    But, things have changed.

    The RPT called kjcanon, who had requested the documents. Seems they read my blog – they said it, not me – and realized, she hadn’t received the documents she requested which they had sent to the wrong address. She called me as soon as they got of the phone. I put up an urgent notice on the blog, which I will follow up with a new post shortly.

    Take care,
    jbjd

  283. avatar
    RuhRoh April 18, 2012 at 8:25 pm #

    Apuzzo, his videographer and Kerchner are claiming that Alexandra Hill is asking that the videos of the Purpura/ Moran hearing last week in NJ be removed from the internet. I have no idea whether there is any truth whatsoever to these claims, but there are stories about it on ORYR, Kerchner’s blog and sodahead. The Birthers are raising a huge stink.

  284. avatar
    Tarrant April 18, 2012 at 9:22 pm #

    RuhRoh:
    Apuzzo, his videographer and Kerchner are claiming that Alexandra Hill is asking that the videos of the Purpura/ Moran hearing last week in NJ be removed from the internet. I have no idea whether there is any truth whatsoever to these claims, but there are stories about it on ORYR, Kerchner’s blog and sodahead. The Birthers are raising a huge stink.

    Because when actual lawyers want a recording of a legal proceeding removed, they call up their opposition in the case, rather than putting a motion before the judge. That always happens.

  285. avatar
    RuhRoh April 18, 2012 at 9:41 pm #

    Tarrant: Because when actual lawyers want a recording of a legal proceeding removed, they call up their opposition in the case, rather than putting a motion before the judge. That always happens.

    Agreed it seems odd.

    It just annoys me to no end that now the Birthers are going after a young woman who simply did her job, and quite competently at that. But this will blow up in the RWNJ blogosphere, then go to all the mainstream political sites that allow comments, etc.

    What the hell is wrong with these people? I will never understand them.

  286. avatar
    Keith April 19, 2012 at 12:29 am #

    JPotter: Is he trying to say there should be no major-party candidates in the Texas primary for either party? What would that accomplish?

    Especially since the whole point of a state primary is to provided guidance to the party convention. Pure and simple. The primary election is solely for the benefit of the state parties who chose to use that method. Some states use caucuses; there is no requirement that a primary be held at all.

    Where ‘pointless’ (one candidate) primaries are held anyway, it is for the benefit of the election board to practice.

  287. avatar
    J. Potter April 19, 2012 at 1:09 am #

    Keith: Especially since the whole point of a state primary is to provided guidance to the party convention.

    I was really hoping jbjdjbjdjbjd would chime back in and say it was a backdoor plot to clear the way for a 3rd-party candidate to take one of the largest prizes at the 2012 Electoral Ball. That he hasn’t makes me think it’s another “I’m so neutral” closet Deep Red who just wants to make sure the people can’t vote for a Democrat even if they want to. That and the “DON’T LAY THAT OBAMA ON TEXAS” closing to his post.

    I haven’t seen a 3rd-party candidate for anything on any ballot since 1996. Parties are going to happen, but when they make it a private party, they’ve gone too far. Someday, SCOTUS will take a can opener to his state … someday.

  288. avatar
    J. Potter April 19, 2012 at 1:10 am #

    er …. this state, meaning Okieland.

    *sigh*

  289. avatar
    The Magic M April 19, 2012 at 6:29 am #

    RuhRoh: I have no idea whether there is any truth whatsoever to these claims

    Simple: whenever a birther does not provide proper sources, he is lying. If Apuzzo and the others had been “asked” to do so, they’d be able to present the letter or email, wouldn’t they? And they would have presented it because it would give them an even better opportunity to spin it.

    Remember birthers (with very few exceptions) don’t dare forge documents because they are always careful not to expose themselves to criminal charges.

  290. avatar
    The Magic M April 19, 2012 at 6:32 am #

    RuhRoh: Next we’ll probably find out that Obama once stole a cookie from the jar at Grandma’s and spoiled his dinner. *yawn*

    Well, WND once was all over Obama “damaging community property” when he wrote “King Obama” on a pavement as a, what was it, 8-year-old? (I didn’t follow closely so I don’t know if the claim is even authentic to begin with.)

  291. avatar
    Tarrant April 19, 2012 at 8:11 am #

    The Magic M: Simple: whenever a birther does not provide proper sources, he is lying. If Apuzzo and the others had been “asked” to do so, they’d be able to present the letter or email, wouldn’t they? And they would have presented it because it would give them an even better opportunity to spin it.

    Remember birthers (with very few exceptions) don’t dare forge documents because they are always careful not to expose themselves to criminal charges.

    I’d also add to this that the claim that they are trying to suppress the “evidence” that President Obama has no “papers” by removing this video is ridiculous on its face when the transcript from the trial is widely available and no motions have been made to seal it.

    But it sure got te birther hate machine going, so I’d say it wa a successful smear job.

  292. avatar
    Reality Check April 19, 2012 at 8:40 am #

    I believe that you are misreading the Texas codes to include some non-existent verification process for presidential candidates to your liking. The rules referred to in Section 191.008 are the parties method determining which candidates obtain enough signatures to qualify for placement on the ballot and then the apportioning of the delegates to the different candidates as mentioned in the previous Section 191.007. In your article you are trying to make a connection between the “rules” in Section 191 for primary elections to Section 192 for general elections. I glanced at the rules you posted for the TDP and they appear to clearly meet the requirements of Section 191 as far as qualification of candidates, selection of delegates, and notification of the SoS of the names to be placed on the primary ballot.

    After the primary election and after the parties have chosen their candidates for president and vice president then Section 192.031 applies:

    “(1) the nominees possess the qualifications for those offices prescribed by federal law;

    (2) the party’s state chair signs a written certification of:

    (A) the names of the party’s nominees for president and vice-president; and

    (B) the names and residence addresses of presidential elector candidates nominated by the party, in a number equal to the number of presidential electors that federal law allocates to this state;

    (3) the party’s state chair delivers the written certification to the secretary of state before the later of:

    (A) 5 p.m. of the 70th day before presidential election day; or

    (B) 5 p.m. of the first business day after the date of final adjournment of the party’s national presidential nominating convention; and

    (4) the party is:

    (A) required or authorized by Subchapter A of Chapter 172 to make its nominations by primary election; or

    (B) entitled to have the names of its nominees placed on the general election ballot under Chapter 181.

    (b) If the state chair’s certification of the party’s nominees is delivered by mail, it is considered to be delivered at the time of its receipt by the secretary of state.”

    I am confident that both parties will meet those requirements after the nominating conventions and will certify to the SoS that their candidates are qualified. We know that Barack Obama is qualified having been born in Hawaii in 1961. Your conclusions are wrong and your concern is unwarranted.

    jbjd: Hey RC!

    Texans just wanted the SoS to compel the parties to promulgate rules to carry out the federally qualified’ provision of the statute in time for the general election. And, I trust you understand, if the D party is unwilling to adopt those eligibility rules or, to carry them out in TX then, this inures to the detriment of D’s throughout the country, including the candidate.

  293. avatar
    Arthur April 19, 2012 at 8:59 am #

    I had heard about this, too, and originally thought it was baloney. As I’ve learned more, I think there’s a grain of truth to the story, although the birthers have spun it considerably. Here’s what I’ve pieced together:

    After the video of the hearing was widely disseminated, and after false reports that Alexandra Hill said Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery, Hill and the law firm she works for (Genova, Burns, Giantomasi and Webster) began to receive death threats. Her boss, Angelo Genova, the lead partner of Genova, Burns, Giantomasi and Webster, was very upset about this, and blamed Apuzzo for having the hearing recorded and thereby giving rise to the threatening backlash. I imagine he said something like, “Listen you incompetent little dog-bite lawyer, you’re responsible for inciting people to make death threats against me, a first-year associate, and my entire firm. Get those videos down, or I’ll have your license!!” While Mario probably knew a video was going to be made, I doubt he was the one who posted it on the internet, so we probably told Genova to take a chill-pill and to stop blaming him for something he didn’t do.

    RuhRoh: Apuzzo, his videographer and Kerchner are claiming that Alexandra Hill is asking that the videos of the Purpura/ Moran hearing last week in NJ be removed from the internet. I have no idea whether there is any truth whatsoever to these claims, but there are stories about it on ORYR, Kerchner’s blog and sodahead. The Birthers are raising a huge stink.

  294. avatar
    bovril April 19, 2012 at 9:32 am #

    Arthur,

    Do you have any links to the data? I fully believe the seditious scum Birfoons would make death threats multiple, no question, just want to be able to back this up when I go Birther hunting.

    As for Mario’s part, whilst he, possibly/probably, had no direct hand in the video, the posts he placed up on his site, the way it seems he has misrepresented the case and who said what etc shows a distinct fostering of the actions and atmosphere of this.

  295. avatar
    jbjd April 19, 2012 at 9:35 am #

    Reality Check:
    I believe that you are misreading the Texas codes to include some non-existent verification process for presidential candidates to your liking. The rules referred to in Section 191.008 are the parties method determining which candidates obtain enough signatures to qualify for placement on the ballot and then the apportioning of the delegates to the different candidates as mentioned in the previous Section 191.007. In your article you are trying to make a connection between the “rules” in Section 191 for primary elections to Section 192 for general elections. I glanced at the rules you posted for the TDP and they appear to clearly meet the requirements of Section 191 as far as qualification of candidates, selection of delegates, and notification of the SoS of the names to be placed on the primary ballot.

    After the primary election and after the parties have chosen their candidates for president and vice president then Section 192.031 applies:

    “(1)the nominees possess the qualifications for those offices prescribed by federal law;

    (2)the party’s state chair signs a written certification of:

    (A)the names of the party’s nominees for president and vice-president; and

    (B)the names and residence addresses of presidential elector candidates nominated by the party, in a number equal to the number of presidential electors that federal law allocates to this state;

    (3)the party’s state chair delivers the written certification to the secretary of state before the later of:

    (A)5 p.m. of the 70th day before presidential election day; or

    (B)5 p.m. of the first business day after the date of final adjournment of the party’s national presidential nominating convention; and

    (4)the party is:

    (A)required or authorized by Subchapter A of Chapter 172 to make its nominations by primary election; or

    (B)entitled to have the names of its nominees placed on the general election ballot under Chapter 181.

    (b)If the state chair’s certification of the party’s nominees is delivered by mail, it is considered to be delivered at the time of its receipt by the secretary of state.”

    I am confident that both parties will meet those requirements after the nominating conventions and will certify to the SoS that their candidates are qualified. We know that Barack Obama is qualified having been born in Hawaii in 1961. Your conclusions are wrong and your concern is unwarranted.

    This is getting silly. I cited to the applicable laws in my article; people can read the whole thing on my blog. Let me just clarify this much; I know the difference between Article 10, which deals with candidates chosen through the primary contest; and Title 11, which deals with Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees, chosen through a national nominating convention.

    The rules which must be adopted and on file in order to entitle the party to remain on the ballot; pertain to the first requirement you listed, that the Chair certify they are federally qualified for the job. Certifying candidates are federally qualified absent a rule which establishes how the party reached that determination; fails to satisfy the rules requirement.

    Bottom line, TDP Chair Richie used only Mr. Obama’s application to the ballot to put him there. (In the next article, I will post the application required by the Republican Party of Texas (“RPT”), which also has no rules. But at least they make the candidate swear s/he is federally qualified for the job. You can compare the 2 ballot applications for yourself.)

  296. avatar
    Arthur April 19, 2012 at 9:59 am #

    bovril,

    I drew my conclusions from this birther site:

    http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/04/18/firstamendment/obama-eligibility-media-pressure/

    Please read it and see if you think I was accurate in reading between the lines.

    bovril: Arthur,Do you have any links to the data? I fully believe the seditious scum Birfoons would make death threats multiple, no question, just want to be able to back this up when I go Birther hunting.As for Mario’s part, whilst he, possibly/probably, had no direct hand in the video, the posts he placed up on his site, the way it seems he has misrepresented the case and who said what etc shows a distinct fostering of the actions and atmosphere of this.

  297. avatar
    Northland10 April 19, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    The Magic M: Well, WND once was all over Obama “damaging community property” when he wrote “King Obama” on a pavement as a, what was it, 8-year-old? (I didn’t follow closely so I don’t know if the claim is even authentic to begin with.)

    Wouldn’t this have been around the time when he was in Indonesia and, according to birthers, going by the name Soetoro (sp?).

  298. avatar
    Scientist April 19, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    jbjd: This is getting silly.

    Yes, you are getting silly. There has been a Democratic nominee on the Texas ballot every election since Texas joined the Union and a Republican one since the party was formed. This year will be no different.

    jbjd: Certifying candidates are federally qualified absent a rule which establishes how the party reached that determination; fails to satisfy the rules requirement

    In Mr Obama’s case, he was found to be qualified by the ultimate authority in this matter-Congress and done so without any objection by any member of the Texas delegation. As far as Rmoney is concerned, that may be worth addressing, since he has not yet been found qualified by Congress.

  299. avatar
    Reality Check April 19, 2012 at 10:37 am #

    @ jbjd

    Your article is wrong. You quote the portion from Title 11, Section 192 for the general election and then you say

    But who determines whether the nominee for President is Constitutionally eligible for the job?

    The state chair of each political party holding a Presidential primary election shall certify the name of each Presidential candidate who qualifies for a place on the Presidential primary election ballot and deliver the certification to the Secretary of State. 191.003 NOTICE OF CANDIDATES TO SECRETARY OF STATE

    The “rules” are defined in Section 191.008: “Sec. 191.008. I

    MPLEMENTATION BY PARTY. (a) The state executive committee of each political party holding a presidential primary election shall adopt the rules necessary to implement this subchapter unless the rules already exist.”

    (emphasis added)

    “This subchapter” is titled SUBCHAPTER A. PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY ELECTION. There is no requirement that the parties supply any rules or procedures for ensuring candidates are qualified for a federal office. They just have to submit to the SoS a statement that they are qualified to be placed on the general election ballot. They do not have to tell anyone how they arrived at that conclusion. I am sure Texas has a challenge process like most other states where the burden of proof is on the objector.

    So you are mixing the two requirements and in a very deceptive way. The fact that according to your research the chair of the TDP listed all the primary candidates for the presidential primary as well as down ticket candidates in 2008 on one form is completely irrelevant.

  300. avatar
    bovril April 19, 2012 at 10:51 am #

    Thanks Arthur….

    M’mmmmm curious The Putz hasn’t posted it on his website, he’s almost as much a bloviating media whore as Orly.

    Wonder if Mario babbled and embellished the purported dialogue with Mr Genova a wee bit too much to Pupura and CNV and is now working on a spin statement…. 😎

  301. avatar
    jbjd April 19, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    Reality Check:
    @ jbjd

    Your article is wrong. You quote the portion from Title 11, Section 192 for the general election and then you say

    The “rules” are defined in Section 191.008: “Sec. 191.008.I

    (emphasis added)

    “This subchapter” is titled SUBCHAPTER A. PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY ELECTION. There is no requirement that the parties supply any rules or procedures for ensuring candidates are qualified for a federal office. They just have to submit to the SoS a statement that they are qualified to be placed on the general election ballot. They do not have to tell anyone how they arrived at that conclusion. I am sure Texas has a challenge process like most other states where the burden of proof is on the objector.

    So you are mixing the two requirements and in a very deceptive way. The fact that according to your research the chair of the TDP listed all the primary candidates for the presidential primary as well as down ticket candidates in 2008 on one form is completely irrelevant.

    Yes, of course, as anyone reading TX law could ascertain; there is no requirement that Presidential candidates must be federally qualified to appear on the primary ballot, but only to appear on the general election ballot. Indeed, that is precisely why I wrote these lines in my article:

    Lo and behold, we found no such rules. For either party. For the years 2008 – 2012. This means, neither party could possibly have submitted the rules required under 191.003 to the SoS. And, under 192.031, this means neither party is entitled to have the names of its Presidential and Vice Presidential nominees on the general election ballot. It’s as simple as that.

    Of course, just because both the TDP and the RPT have lost entitlement to have the names of their nominees for President and Vice President on the general election ballot doesn’t mean that SoS Andrade cannot exercise her discretion to place those names on that ballot or, on the primary ballot, anyway. But she should not. And here’s why.

    I suggested the SoS could use her discretion with the primary ballot, too, based on the logical conclusion, if a candidate for President (or Vice President) cannot be federally qualified to appear on the general election ballot then…

  302. avatar
    Scientist April 19, 2012 at 11:07 am #

    jbjd: I suggested the SoS could use her discretion with the primary ballot, too, based on the logical conclusion, if a candidate for President (or Vice President) cannot be federally qualified to appear on the general election ballot then…

    Except CONGRESS says Obama IS QUALIFIED. And they have the final say, as per the 12th and 20th Amendments. Should I repeat that one more time?

  303. avatar
    The Magic M April 19, 2012 at 11:38 am #

    Tarrant: I’d also add to this that the claim that they are trying to suppress the “evidence” that President Obama has no “papers” by removing this video is ridiculous on its face when the transcript from the trial is widely available and no motions have been made to seal it.

    But it sure got te birther hate machine going, so I’d say it wa a successful smear job.

    My theory is that Apuzzo is worried that the video will show he lied when he claimed “Obama’s attorney admitted the PDF is a forgery”. But if he scrubs it himself, he’ll have to answer questions from his fellow birthers. So claiming “Obama’s lawyer forced me to” is a win-win for him – he’ll cover up his lies *and* blame Obama at the same time.

  304. avatar
    Reality Check April 19, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    If I understand correctly you now admit that the “federally qualified” wording in the statute only applies to general election for president and vice president. You said exactly the opposite in your article: “On the other hand, 191.003, printed above, requires the chair to submit only the names of candidates federally qualified for the job. And 191.008 requires the party to adopt rules to ensure the section’s implementation.” However, now that you know you were wrong you want SoS Hope Andrade to make up such a requirement and remove the party candidates from the primary ballot? Do you realize how fast an application for an injunction would be filed in Texas and/or federal courts if she did such a stupid thing?

    jbjd: Yes, of course, as anyone reading TX law could ascertain; there is no requirement that Presidential candidates must be federally qualified to appear on the primary ballot, but only to appear on the general election ballot.

  305. avatar
    jbjd April 19, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    Reality Check:
    If I understand correctly you now admit that the “federally qualified” wording in the statute only applies to general election for president and vice president. You said exactly the opposite in your article: “On the other hand, 191.003, printed above, requires the chair to submit only the names of candidates federally qualified for the job. And 191.008 requires the party to adopt rules to ensure the section’s implementation.”However, now that you know you were wrong you want SoS Hope Andrade to make up such a requirement and remove the party candidates from the primary ballot? Do you realize how fast an application for an injunction would be filed in Texas and/or federal courts if she did such a stupid thing?

    No; you don’t understand, at all. I do not “now” admit anything; on the contrary, I always maintained the fact in question, as evidenced by the quote I ported here, from the article on my blog, which article was posted 3 days ago! You merely misrepresented here, what I had written there and, on the basis of that misrepresentation, called me “deceptive.” Thus, I am not “now” admitting to the fact which I had posted 3 days ago. Instead, I am merely confirming, for the benefit of readers here who have only your charges against me on which to base their opinions of my work; that, all along, as you “now” know, I had printed the truth.

  306. avatar
    The Magic M April 19, 2012 at 1:31 pm #

    Reality Check: Do you realize how fast an application for an injunction would be filed in Texas and/or federal courts if she did such a stupid thing?

    And of course we know that this is even a moot (for birthers: “mute”) point since no SoS in the entire US would be dumb enough to try that. Birthers cannot by law force them and no-one has yet played flirty games with them, alluding he/she might want to do such a thing.

  307. avatar
    Bernard April 19, 2012 at 1:32 pm #

    Arpuzzo definitely breached professional conduct when he made these false claims against Alexandra Hill, whether he committed contempt of court or something that will get him actual punishment is another question.

    It’s not the videotape, because several people toughed out listening to the 3-hour tape and heard NOTHING like an admission of forgery. No, the real offense is the text that Arpuzzo wrote that claimed that Hill had “admitted” the Obama b/c was a “forgery”. Most birthers (and others) read that, didn’t bother with the 3-hr tape, and decided that Alexandra Hill was a villain. Perhaps Arpuzzo is such a putz that, rather than retract his story about “forgery” nor even deleting it without a retraction, he wants to keep his story about “forgery” going strong … and eliminate the tape that shows that he was lying!

    I have seen and read on the internet some birther bitching that sounds very much like incitement to assassination.

  308. avatar
    Robin April 19, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    Holy word twister Batman!!

    jbjd: No; you don’t understand, at all. I do not “now” admit anything; on the contrary, I always maintained the fact in question, as evidenced by the quote I ported here, from the article on my blog, which article was posted 3 days ago! You merely misrepresented here, what I had written there and, on the basis of that misrepresentation, called me “deceptive.” Thus, I am not “now” admitting to the fact which I had posted 3 days ago. Instead, I am merely confirming, for the benefit of readers here who have only your charges against me on which to base their opinions of my work; that, all along, as you “now” know, I had printed the truth.

  309. avatar
    Arthur April 19, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    From what I’ve read, Mario didn’t make that claim; rather, it was made in an internet article written by Dan Crosby of the Daily Pen.

    The Magic M: My theory is that Apuzzo is worried that the video will show he lied when he claimed “Obama’s attorney admitted the PDF is a forgery”.

  310. avatar
    Rambo Ike April 19, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: This is not a fact, but a birther flight of fancy.For flight information, see:http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/01/new-report-on-obamas-democratic-party.html

    I’m missing your point here. It proved what I stated, except for Hawaii.

  311. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 19, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    You had said: “Prior to the 2008 election the DNC & HDP never certified 0bama as being constitutionally eligible.” However, in fact, both had.

    Rambo Ike: I’m missing your point here. It proved what I stated, except for Hawaii.

  312. avatar
    Rambo Ike April 19, 2012 at 2:21 pm #

    dunstvangeet: Which ones released their birth certificates? Which one proved their birth in the United States? Mind showing me George W. Bush’s birth certificate, John Kerry’s birth certificate, or John McCain’s birth certificate? (John McCain showed his birth certificate to exactly one reporter. Never released it to the general public. I’ve never seen either George W. Bush’s birth certificate nor John Kerry’s.) Now, tell me which one of them were told, “I’m sorry, but the documentation that you’ve provided that in any court of law would provide ample proof of the documentation is actually false and forged, and you now need to produce documentation that the state doesn’t release anymore. And then when you actually release that documentation, we’ll call it a forgery and now demand that you let us into the vault to see what the State Department of Health actually has. And we’re not going to accept that unless it shows what we actually believe.”

    That’s slick, but no cigar. Your obfuscation of what I posted didn’t pass muster.

    This is about the last 4 presidential candidates of the 2 major parties having records/documents challenged, not just birth certificates, but records in general, and in only 1 case did we have that candidate’s supporters calling millions of Americans racist. I wonder why?

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    Thomas Brown April 19, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

    Bernard: I have seen and read on the internet some birther bitching that sounds very much like incitement to assassination.

    What…like, for the last three years? Birthers are the most disgusting vermin on the planet.

  314. avatar
    Rambo Ike April 19, 2012 at 3:06 pm #

    sfjeff: The last 4 candidates/records/challenged? Only if you are very, very lose with your interpretation of challenged’.Birthers have produced a laundery list of documents that the claim that Barack Obama has not produced- and not one of those white candidates was ever asked to produce all of the documents that Birthers claim that Obama is ‘hiding’ by not turning them over to the Birther Inquisition.There was a infintismal demand for McCain’s birth certificate- one law suit- no public outcry- no chest thumping by Birthers or anyone else that he prove where he was born. And we never saw it. And no one demanded McCain’s academic records, or anything else. McCain volunteered to show his medical records in anticipation of my Dad’s comment(my Dad who is older than McCain said McCain was just too old). Bush? No demand he prove his eligibility. His college transcripts were leaked in the previous campaign. But of course again he never released the laundry list of documents Birthers demand of Obama- no demand for his kindergarten records, no demand for his MBA records or high school records. No demand for proof of how he got into Graduate school, or how it was financed. Kerry- the same. Other than the lies about his military records- the facts of which were ignored by his enemies anyway- he produced none of the information Birthers demand that Obama is ‘hiding’.The only one that Birthers demanded this all from- and still the only one they demand this from is the dark face amongst the sea of white faces. Coincidence? Maybe- but the fact remains that the only one you and they demand all of this from is the black candidate.

    That’s true, there is a laundry list of documents being asked of 0bama to produce. Who is at fault for that? Do you remember what 0bama’s wife & the media had said coming into the 2008 campaign season? It’s human nature for people wanting answers to their questions. Instead of answers they got accused & smeared.

    If I remember right RINO McCain was attacked 1st by the NYSlimes, WaPo, and far-Left sites like Daily Kos before 0bama. Why would there have been alot of lawsuits against McCain when Congress gave him their blessings with a Vattel-Vetting? You’re right about Bush, Johnny 4-month, and McCain, but then again, the media & their wives never said they were a kenyan from Kenya, or Kenya was their ‘home country’.

    It’s funny that you see it as a dark face among a sea of white faces, when I see it as 1 standard for all. You do know that there have been black Americans in the past disqualified for political office along with a sea of white faces also? Lmao

  315. avatar
    Bernard April 19, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy April 19, 2012 at 2:05 pm (Quote) #
    You had said: “Prior to the 2008 election the DNC & HDP never certified 0bama as being constitutionally eligible.” However, in fact, both had.

    Rambo Ike: I’m missing your point here. It proved what I stated, except for Hawaii.

    All right, now I am missing the point. WHEN/WHY would either the Democratic National Committee or the Hawaii Democratic Party have any reason to “certify” Obama prior to 2008?? Prior to 2008 he ran for, and was elected to, public office in Illinois. What could have happened prior to 2008 that would cause either the DNC or the HDP to certify him???

  316. avatar
    JPotter April 19, 2012 at 3:24 pm #

    Bernard: All right, now I am missing the point.

    Prior to the 2008 election, not prior to all of 2008.

  317. avatar
    Jim April 19, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    Just thought I would toss this in here, it hits me close to home.

    http://news.yahoo.com/newest-michigan-museum-showcases-racist-artifacts-070835385.html

  318. avatar
    Rambo Ike April 19, 2012 at 3:36 pm #

    Thrifty: Fact: A lie does not become true simply because you precede it with the word “fact”. For example. For example….Fact: The sun orbits around the Earth.That is still a lie.Please cite a source for your declaration that previous candidates had their documents challenged. Politicians are frequently challenged for their “records”–meaning their records of voting on certain issues. No candidate in recent history aside from Barack Obama was accused of having fraudulent birth records or of lying about where he was born.

    Sheesh! You must be a political greenhorn. I like newbies, they’re fun. I’ll do a brief and bring ya up to speed.

    Bush was accused by the Leftists, DemoRATs, and their media cronies over his military records. In 2004 they called him a slacker/being AWOL in the National Guard. As the sitting president he signed an ‘executive order’ releasing the records in question.

    During 2004 Kerry’s military records were also questioned. The Swiftboat Vets challenged him on national TV to sign the SF-180 releasing his records and they go away. He wouldn’t do it. I wonder what his million dollar backers thought of that. They had themselves a loser.

    McCain was challenged on his Panama birth. Congress gave him their blessing by passing him with the Vattel-Vetting.

    0bama? You should know the story on that one. He is hiding behind his law firms [protection racket] at tax payer expense.

  319. avatar
    Rambo Ike April 19, 2012 at 3:44 pm #

    Rickey: More nonsense. Nobody questioned where Bush, Kerry and McCain were born. Some people questioned whether McCain was eligible, but everyone conceded that he was born in Panama. No demands were made on any of them to produce:1. Birth certificates2. Passports3. Social Security records4. School and kindergarten records5. Hospital records of their births6. Selective Service registration recordsI, for one, would have liked to have seen McCain release his entire Navy records, particularly his officer fitness reports, but he chose not to do so. However, those records would not have had anything to do with his eligibility, which I never questioned.

    Of all the many problems I have with RINO McCain, the last thing about him I’d question is his Fitreps, after what them guys went through at the Hanoi Hilton.

  320. avatar
    G April 19, 2012 at 4:14 pm #

    My take on this whole thing is pretty much similar to what you just expressed.

    Bernard: Arpuzzo definitely breached professional conduct when he made these false claims against Alexandra Hill, whether he committed contempt of court or something that will get him actual punishment is another question.It’s not the videotape, because several people toughed out listening to the 3-hour tape and heard NOTHING like an admission of forgery. No, the real offense is the text that Arpuzzo wrote that claimed that Hill had “admitted” the Obama b/c was a “forgery”. Most birthers (and others) read that, didn’t bother with the 3-hr tape, and decided that Alexandra Hill was a villain. Perhaps Arpuzzo is such a putz that, rather than retract his story about “forgery” nor even deleting it without a retraction, he wants to keep his story about “forgery” going strong … and eliminate the tape that shows that he was lying!I have seen and read on the internet some birther bitching that sounds very much like incitement to assassination.

  321. avatar
    Rambo Ike April 19, 2012 at 4:38 pm #

    misha: The Iraq war was illegal.

    How could it have been an illegal war when Congress, with a democrat controlled Senate, gave our military authority ?

    Some of the members of Congress who voted against it were interviewed later gave their reasons for voting against it was because they were unsure if our troops would be adequately outfitted to protect them against Saddam’s WMDs.

  322. avatar
    Bernard April 19, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

    Here’s a video of a birther who definitely needs some classes in anger management:

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/ann-barnhardt-all-the-rat-bastards-in-dc-know-obama-is-not-eligible/

    The significant thing, I think, is that she’s not only inciting against Obama but also against any member of Congress who doesn’t see things her way.

  323. avatar
    Lucas D. Smith April 19, 2012 at 6:07 pm #

    Revered and regarded readers of Obama Conspiracy Theories site,

    Comes now a chilling new blog report from Lucas D. Smith:

    Treachery: Lucas D. Smith passes polygraph test. Pedophile FBI informant Joe Sims fails polygraph test.

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/treachery-lucas-d-smith-passes-polygraph-test-pedophile-fbi-informant-joe-sims-fails-polygraph-test/

    Please exercise your free speech in the comments section below the blog report. There are no stipulations of political correctness on this blog. Speak your mind, give us your thoughts, both objective and subjective. Share your ideas, hunches, inklings or your expertise. Please provide recommendation and corrections if you spot errors in fact within the blog report. Lastly, remember that posting a comment is much like casting a vote, so please do so.

  324. avatar
    misha April 19, 2012 at 6:30 pm #

    Bernard: The significant thing, I think, is that she’s not only inciting against Obama but also against any member of Congress who doesn’t see things her way.

    Try this from Ted Nugent – Ted Nugent to NRA: “Your Fault for Not Shooting Him”

    Nugent told his audience that they should view President Obama and other Democrats as wild animals invading their homes. Like a coyote “in your living room pissing on your couch. It’s not the coyote’s fault. It’s your fault for not shooting him.”

    We’ve seen a GOP utterly devoid of humanity, from unending assaults on the poor, to valuing a zygote so above an adult woman that some anti-abortion legislation allows no exceptions for the health of the mother, to hemming and hawing over the Violence Against Women Act, to a presidential candidate who actually strapped a living animal to the roof of his car and drove cross-country.

    Now, to that contempt of anyone who does not fit with them or side with them, we have Ted Nugent adding an apparent call to arms.

    Read on:
    http://news.yahoo.com/ted-nugent-nra-fault-not-shooting-him-194400679.html

  325. avatar
    misha April 19, 2012 at 7:01 pm #

    Bernard: The significant thing, I think, is that she’s not only inciting against Obama but also against any member of Congress who doesn’t see things her way.

    Remember Sharron Angle: “And you know, I’m hoping that we’re not getting to Second Amendment remedies. I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/16/sharron-angle-floated-2nd_n_614003.html

  326. avatar
    Sef April 19, 2012 at 7:25 pm #

    Have you all seen this: Court Rules It Is Impossible To Steal Computer Code (link http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=7540 )? This should make for an interesting series of litigations.

  327. avatar
    Reality Check April 19, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    I have never seen such a word salad as that! (Except something Orly would file.) Could someone interpret that for me?

    jbjd: No; you don’t understand, at all. I do not “now” admit anything; on the contrary, I always maintained the fact in question, as evidenced by the quote I ported here, from the article on my blog, which article was posted 3 days ago! You merely misrepresented here, what I had written there and, on the basis of that misrepresentation, called me “deceptive.” Thus, I am not “now” admitting to the fact which I had posted 3 days ago. Instead, I am merely confirming, for the benefit of readers here who have only your charges against me on which to base their opinions of my work; that, all along, as you “now” know, I had printed the truth.

  328. avatar
    Reality Check April 19, 2012 at 7:40 pm #

    In case you want to know where jbjd is coming from look at this reply on her blog about a commenter who disagreed with her:

    dawngaye says:
    April 17, 2012 at 17:09

    Why would anyone spend their time trying to do what this ksdb is doing? Get them off here; they are wasting space. Egad.

    jbjd says:
    April 17, 2012 at 17:41

    dawngaye: Maybe s/he gets paid to disinform. Who cares? Now, people (including contributors at fogbow (formerly politijab)) know, in TX, the chair of the state political party is a public figure for the purpose of complying with public records laws, when s/he performs a public act like, certifying names for the ballot. Citizens in other states can now emulate this law. ADMINISTRATOR

    I guess I am earning my keep by pointing out her errors. 😉

  329. avatar
    misha April 19, 2012 at 7:44 pm #

    jbjd: I had printed the truth.

    What is truth, and what is fable?
    Where is Ruth, and where is Mabel?

  330. avatar
    misha April 19, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    “The latest: Romney disrespected cookies from the beloved Bethel Bakery in the South Hills of Pittsburgh.

    On Tuesday, the all-but-sure Republican nominee was meeting with some regular-folks voters at a picnic table in Bethel Park, to talk about taxes and the economy. It was not exactly a natural moment, with reporters and camera crews staring at them all like visitors to the monkey cage. Romney tried to loosen people up with a joke.

    “I’m not sure about these cookies,” Romney said. “They don’t look like you made them,” he said, turning to one of the women at the table. “Did you make those cookies? You didn’t, did you? No. No. They came from the local 7-Eleven bakery or wherever.”

    Read on: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/big_tent/148187145.html

  331. avatar
    Majority Will April 19, 2012 at 9:51 pm #

    Reality Check:
    I have never seen such a word salad as that! (Except something Orly would file.) Could someone interpret that for me?

    It’s the Birther Is Full of Crap dance. Well, more like a spasm.

  332. avatar
    Northland10 April 19, 2012 at 10:56 pm #

    misha: What is truth, and what is fable?
    Where is Ruth, and where is Mabel?

    That made me giggle, which is rather undignified for a bland Midwesterner.

  333. avatar
    Thomas Brown April 19, 2012 at 11:09 pm #

    Reality Check:
    I have never seen such a word salad as that! (Except something Orly would file.)

    A vexing contrast indeed. Orly has no mind; jbjd has one that works very very badly. If they were boat motors, jbjd’s would be running on 5 cylinders put of 8, whereas Oly’s would only be fit for some other duty… like, say, an anchor or ballast.

  334. avatar
    misha April 19, 2012 at 11:16 pm #

    Northland10: That made me giggle, which is rather undignified for a bland Midwesterner.

    I was hoping people would recognize it:
    “Forty Years On” – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty_Years_On_(play)

  335. avatar
    Keith April 19, 2012 at 11:57 pm #

    This is a long way off topic I guess, but there was a funny comment about it on another site.

    The Arizona Primary has been decided, and in US Congressional District 8, held by Gabrielle Giffords until she stepped down to concentrate on her recovery, the Republicans had 4 candidates to choose from: Jesse Kelly, an Iraqi war veteran; Martha McSally also an Iraqi and Afganistan war veteran and the first American woman pilot to fly combat missions; Frank Atenori a State Senator, and Dave Sitton a Sports Broadcaster for the University of Arizona.

    Kelly won and will face Giffords former aide, Ron Barber in the General Election.

    What I find funny is the comments on the UA fansite I read:

    => Congrats Sitton on losing in the Final 4 (or shall I say the Great 4) of the CD8 Republican Primary.

    => Not only that but he finished dead freaking last.

    => He had almost TWICE as much money as the rest of them too, I dont see how he could do that badly with the money he raised.

    => I guess there is a lot of other people in Tucson who watch the games on mute too.

  336. avatar
    misha April 20, 2012 at 3:18 am #

    This is the ultimate Romney/dog cartoon, by Oliphant:

    http://www.gocomics.com/patoliphant/2012/04/18

  337. avatar
    The Magic M April 20, 2012 at 7:51 am #

    misha: “I’m not sure about these cookies,” Romney said. “They don’t look like you made them,” he said, turning to one of the women at the table. “Did you make those cookies? You didn’t, did you? No. No. They came from the local 7-Eleven bakery or wherever.”

    Maybe it was a coded message and “cookies” means “birth certificate” and “local 7-Eleven bakery” means “Photoshop”? 😉

  338. avatar
    Rambo Ike April 20, 2012 at 10:29 am #

    Bernard: Arpuzzo definitely breached professional conduct when he made these false claims against Alexandra Hill, whether he committed contempt of court or something that will get him actual punishment is another question.It’s not the videotape, because several people toughed out listening to the 3-hour tape and heard NOTHING like an admission of forgery. No, the real offense is the text that Arpuzzo wrote that claimed that Hill had “admitted” the Obama b/c was a “forgery”. Most birthers (and others) read that, didn’t bother with the 3-hr tape, and decided that Alexandra Hill was a villain. Perhaps Arpuzzo is such a putz that, rather than retract his story about “forgery” nor even deleting it without a retraction, he wants to keep his story about “forgery” going strong … and eliminate the tape that shows that he was lying!I have seen and read on the internet some birther bitching that sounds very much like incitement to assassination.

    Are you getting that confused with ‘The Daily Pen’?

    Here’s what Mario Apuzzo stated on his site:

    “I am not personally aware of Ms. Hill ever admitting during the court proceedings that the posted image of the 4-27-11 birth certificate is a forgery.”

  339. avatar
    Rambo Ike April 20, 2012 at 11:13 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: You had said: “Prior to the 2008 election the DNC & HDP never certified 0bama as being constitutionally eligible.” However, in fact, both had.

    Right, my error, there was 1. It’s been over 2 years I remember reading about that. Believe it was JB Williams that 1st wrote about that.

    Only 1 I’m aware of that had the “legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution” was the one the DNC sent to the HDP.

  340. avatar
    jbjd April 20, 2012 at 1:05 pm #

    Rambo Ike: Right, my error, there was 1. It’s been over 2 years I remember reading about that. Believe it was JB Williams that 1st wrote about that.

    Only 1 I’m aware of that had the “legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution” was the one the DNC sent to the HDP.

    No, HI is not the only state that requires specific language of eligibility; SC does, too. (And JB Williams would have repeated this if he hadn’t stolen the information about HI directly from my blog. Because he posted his information about HI, verbatim, only days after I posted information about HI. But then, I learned about SC, and posted a correction. Now, JBW could either live with the lie; or post his own correction. He chose the former. (He claimed on a radio show, someone sent him my materials anonymously.)

    What did change in 2008 was who in the D party was responsible for ensuring the language in those certifications of nomination to S’soS for the ballot, complied with state law. Previously, the state party held this responsibility. At the Rules and Bylaws meeting in 2006, the DNC shifted the responsibility to themselves.

    BACK UP, BIRTHERS!

  341. avatar
    misha April 20, 2012 at 7:41 pm #

    Borowitz Report – Days after Secret Service agents shortchanged a group of prostitutes in Colombia, the international trade group representing hookers downgraded the United States’ credit rating from AAA to B.

    The agency said that enlistment offices across the country have been packed with prospective agents, including House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who abruptly dropped out of the Presidential race to join.

    complete article:
    http://www.borowitzreport.com/2012/04/20/hookers-downgrade-us-credit-rating/

  342. avatar
    misha April 20, 2012 at 8:06 pm #

    Rambo Ike: after what them guys went through at the Hanoi Hilton

    Try My Lai, Kim Phuc and the village of Trang Bang. Please explain the difference between the Waffen-SS and William Calley, and his platoon.

    The distinction escapes me.

  343. avatar
    gorefan April 20, 2012 at 11:10 pm #

    Looks like we found a replacement for Matt Damon in the Bourne Identity Series.

    http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/blog/barrack-obama-eligibility/treachery-lucas-d-smith-passes-polygraph-test-pedophile-fbi-informant-joe-sims-fails-polygraph-test/

    Scroll down to the part where Lucas tells us about his harrowing escape from the rogue FBI agent.

    When you read the narrative, it helps if you have the Mission Impossible theme running through your mind.

  344. avatar
    bob j April 21, 2012 at 12:21 am #

    I saw gorefan’s post about the new possible Jason Bourne, and after clicking was riveted by the tale of Lucas Smith.

    It makes me wonder why the President cut loose all the competent conspirators who got him into office.

    After his Presidency began, he seems to rely on bad forgers and ineffectual goons.

  345. avatar
    Bernard April 21, 2012 at 11:31 am #

    I see there is some doubt whether it was Apuzzo (now I can spell it) or someone else who started the story about Hill “admitting forgery”. But Apuzzo seems to be enjoying the fun of the false report and is very slow about correcting it. Perhaps his side is hoping for infusions of money for further litigation.

    One relatively new phenomenon that I noticed on birther forums: The erroneous (yes, it is erroneous) notion that a “natural born citizen” must have parents (or at least a father) who are also US citizens. This notion has been thoroughly and repeatedly rejected, as far back as Lynch v. Clarke. But the birthers (or at least some of them) believe it, as it is Orly Taitz’s (and others’) fallback position if the Hawaiian b/c cannot be proven a fake. Anyway, some birthers are applying this discredited notion to Mitt Romney, in the sense that his dad, George Romney (once Gov of Michigan and a 1968 candidate for the Republican nomination), was born in Mexico in a Mormon colonia, to two US citizens, and not brought into the US until 6 years old. The point being that, at this very late date some birthers have decided that this means that George Romney was not a US citizen at all (not just not “natural born” but any sort of citizen), and that, if George wasn’t, then Mitt (although born in Detroit) doesn’t qualify as a natural-born citizen.

    This is amusing because it means that, although the birthers wouldn’t vote for Obama no matter what, they are also now talking against Obama’s biggest opponent. If there enough such birthers and they refuse to vote for Romney (either not voting or voting for a Third Party candidate), then Obama will be re-elected.

  346. avatar
    Majority Will April 21, 2012 at 11:42 am #

    Bernard: Apuzzo (now I can spell it)

    Sure, but it’s pronounced A-putzo.

  347. avatar
    The Magic M April 21, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    Rambo Ike: Are you getting that confused with The Daily Pen’?

    I must admit I made that mistake as well. I possibly misread something and then erroneously claimed Apuzzo was the source of the claim. See, it’s easy to admin when you were wrong and even spreaded that wrong idea. 😉

  348. avatar
    Rambo Ike April 21, 2012 at 4:23 pm #

    The Magic M: I must admit I made that mistake as well. I possibly misread something and then erroneously claimed Apuzzo was the source of the claim. See, it’s easy to admit when you were wrong and even spreaded that wrong idea.

    Thanks for clearing that up. I too have fallen into that trap of being misled by reading something that I believed was the truth, repeated it, and then find out later it was a lie or at best an embellishment of the facts. There has been too much spreading of the wrong ideas on both sides over the issues with 0bama, and in some cases the ideas have reach the level of the most outrageous lies possible.

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    Rambo Ike April 21, 2012 at 5:32 pm #

    jbjd: No, HI is not the only state that requires specific language of eligibility; SC does, too. (And JB Williams would have repeated this if he hadn’t stolen the information about HI directly from my blog. Because he posted his information about HI, verbatim, only days after I posted information about HI. But then, I learned about SC, and posted a correction. Now, JBW could either live with the lie; or post his own correction. He chose the former. (He claimed on a radio show, someone sent him my materials anonymously.)What did change in 2008 was who in the D party was responsible for ensuring the language in those certifications of nomination to S’soS for the ballot, complied with state law. Previously, the state party held this responsibility. At the Rules and Bylaws meeting in 2006, the DNC shifted the responsibility to themselves.BACK UP, BIRTHERS!

    I have no interest in whatever went on between you and Williams. I am interested in getting the truth on how many of those forms with Pelosi’s signature, that were sent out by the DNC to the secretaries of the 50 states, had the “legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution” included.

    I’m assumng from your statements that Hawaii wasn’t the only one. If that is true would you provide evidence of all the ones that did so I can see it too. Also, I have never seen any from the 50 state democrat parties that had “legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution” on it.

    Thx in advance.

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    Rambo Ike April 21, 2012 at 6:27 pm #

    misha: Try My Lai, Kim Phuc and the village of Trang Bang. Please explain the difference between the Waffen-SS and William Calley, and his platoon.The distinction escapes me.

    Have you no decency? Injecting the Nazi SS & Calley as a counter to my comment is about as low as one can get. It’s not just McCain, but also Admiral Denton and Col. Bud Day you denigrate with that comparison.

    McCain’s politics is fair game, but what you’re doing IS NOT. Are you aware McCain followed POW protocol and turned down his freedom when the commies offered it to him?

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    misha April 22, 2012 at 6:41 am #

    Rambo Ike: Have you no decency?

    “Have you no sense of decency?” – Joseph Welch to Sen. Joe McCarthy and Roy Cohn. I’ll develop some decency when Orly Taitz, Ted Nugent and their ilk develop decency. Until then, fight fire with fire. Mario Apuzzo does not have a shred of decency.

    “Injecting the Nazi SS & Calley as a counter to my comment is about as low as one can get.” Why? It’s the same thing. Calley could not even read a map.

    Rambo Ike: It’s not just McCain, but also Admiral Denton and Col. Bud Day you denigrate with that comparison.

    Which they thoroughly deserve, along with Westmoreland. Also, Robert McNamara knew the price of everything, and the value of nothing.

    Rambo Ike: Are you aware McCain followed POW protocol and turned down his freedom when the commies offered it to him?

    Was McCain following protocol when he was one of the Keating Five? When he voted against the King holiday? When he took a marriage license, while still married? “Commies?” The kibbutzim are pure communism, and the foundation of Israel. They are a raucous democracy. I know; I lived at one for a year. Golda Meir was a lifelong socialist, and a Marxist when she first went to Palestine.

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    Keith April 22, 2012 at 5:30 pm #

    Rambo Ike: I am interested in getting the truth on how many of those forms with Pelosi’s signature, that were sent out by the DNC to the secretaries of the 50 states, had the “legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution” included.

    Then do the research. Call up the SoS of every state and territory and ask them what the required wording is. Then ask them if the DNC (and the RNC too!) satisfied the wording required by their State regulations. When you have done that, get back to us.

    But if someone tells you that 49 of 50 States require a specific form of words, and someone else shows you that 1 of the 49 States doesn’t require those words, you would do well to come to the conclusion that the person that got it wrong in the first place didn’t do the homework of checking with all 50 States and really doesn’t know what they are talking about.

    In short, they are lying to you, straight up and with no regrets. Their goal is to fool you, and they have evidently succeeded. This is probably due to the poor alignment of your personal built in Bull Sh*t meter, which is only partly your own fault. It is the strategy of the psuedo-conservative conspiracy to smother every American’s BS meter so they can continue to feed them this kind of rubbish with impunity.

    However, you really can regain reuse of your built in Bull Sh*t meter. It is possible. The human mind is a wondrous thing. It may require a bit of detox followed by some honest practice though. I recommend starting by going cold turkey for a couple of months: turn off the Faux News, stop reading the Murdoch press, and listen to music on the radio instead of paranoid losers like Beck and Limbaugh. These guys are purposely trying to smother your BS meter; don’t let them get away with it.

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    Bernard April 22, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

    I have the very distinct impression (without recalling any specific case) that, since this is a matter entirely of the federal Constitution, the states cannot adopt legislation that effectively encumbers it or makes it more restrictive than it already is under federal law.

    I have no doubt that Obama met and meets the Constitutional eligibility requirements, so there would be no problem about Pelosi’s (or the DNC’s or whoever’s) statement that he meets the requirements.

    I am not sure what would happen if a nominee did not really meet the requirements but the party sent out statements saying that he did. Evidently this business about sending statements to the state govts is relatively recent; there was a case (I think in California) back in 1968 when Eldridge Cleaver was taken off the ballot (running for Prez on the Peace & Freedom Party or some such) because he was, and would continue even past Inauguration Day, under the age of 35; so evidently there was no requirement then of the party certifying the candidate’s eligibility.

    This year (2012) one of the third parties (I think the Freedom Socialist Party) is fielding a VP candidate who is a naturalized citizen – they expect some trouble getting on the ballots in some states and have an alternate VP candidate who was born here for those states (no explanation of what happens if their ticket wins across the country, who gets to be VP, but I doubt any members of that party are losing sleep over that contingency).

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    nbc April 23, 2012 at 12:15 am #

    jbjd: Certifying candidates are federally qualified absent a rule which establishes how the party reached that determination; fails to satisfy the rules requirement.

    It’s simple, you file a statement that says that “I certify that the Candidate is qualified”. It’s not up to the Secretary of State to determine the validity of such a statement as this is a task that belongs to a Federal ‘agency’ or in this case, the Congress. Surely you must be familiar with the Constitution?

    This has never been an issue until a black President with a foreign sounding name and father managed to rise to the office of the President. Given that many birthers have rejected the official documents and statements by the DOH of Hawaii, why do you think having the various Democratic State Parties state that the Candidate is qualified, will make a difference?

    If there are any doubts, that such doubts do not belong at the State level but rather at the Federal level, where the Constitution has assigned the task properly to Congress.

    For good reasons, as it seems that some of the people have a hard time accepting the facts.

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    nbc April 23, 2012 at 12:17 am #

    Bernard: I have the very distinct impression (without recalling any specific case) that, since this is a matter entirely of the federal Constitution, the states cannot adopt legislation that effectively encumbers it or makes it more restrictive than it already is under federal law.

    Exactly the point I am trying to make. Furthermore, there is no way that States will be allowed to Judge who is and is not eligible for the office of the President, as the Constitution clearly was written to avoid such follies, and assigned the task to Congress.

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    nbc April 23, 2012 at 12:29 am #

    Keith: Rambo Ike: I am interested in getting the truth on how many of those forms with Pelosi’s signature, that were sent out by the DNC to the secretaries of the 50 states, had the “legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution” included.

    So far I am only aware of Hawaii explicitly requiring such a statement. The DNC followed, as far as I have been able to tell, the same pattern with previous Presidential nominations. If you believe that the DNC failed to meet the requirements of any of the States, then provide your details.

    The Statute in Hawaii reads

    Hawaiian Law Revised Statutes 11-113

    “(2) a statement by the political party that each candidate is legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution…”

    The statement was filed in accordance with the Hawaiian Statutes. Let us know what you have found out?

    You did do the research did you not?

    PS: Arizona and Virginia required President Obama to make specific statements. In Arizona he stated

    “I am a natural born citizen of the United States, am at least thirty-five years of age, and have been a resident within the United States for at least fourteen years.”

    Ouch…

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    Keith April 23, 2012 at 3:52 am #

    I’m assuming that was a quoting error?

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    Paul Pieniezny April 23, 2012 at 5:02 am #

    Meanwhile, in the real world, Jaques Cheminade, the birther and LaRouche candidate for President of France, who believes that 9/11 was the work of SPECTRE, that the French should colonize Mars, that Gregorian chant should be a compulsory subject at French schools and that the French language should return to the rules of the 17th century (with the happy side-effect that we would all be able to comprehend what Vattel really wrote), has been unable to get the 0.5 percent of the votes that opinion polls granted him. 0.25 – which means he was clearly by far the least successful candidate of the five minor candidates.
    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lepoint.fr%2Fpolitique%2Fparti-pris%2Fjacques-cheminade-le-plus-inquietant-des-candidats-27-03-2012-1445394_222.php&act=url

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 23, 2012 at 5:26 am #

    South Carolina law Section 7-13-350 describes a certification requirement:

    Political parties nominating candidates by primary or convention must verify the qualifications of those candidates prior to certification to the authority charged by law with preparing the ballot. The written certification required by this section must contain a statement that each candidate certified meets, or will meet by the time of the general election, or as otherwise required by law, the qualifications for the office for which he has filed. Any candidate who does not, or will not by the time of the general election, or as otherwise required by law, meet the qualifications for the office for which he has filed shall not be nominated and certified, and such candidate’s name shall not be placed on a general, special, or municipal election ballot.

    The certification letter of the South Carolina Democratic Party stated:

    August 14, 2008

    In accordance with South Carolina Code of Laws 7-13-350 and 7-11-15, as amended, the South Carolina Democratic Part is pleased to submit our list of Democratic candidates for the 2008 general election ballot.

    The South Carolina Democratic Party certifies that each candidate meets, or will meet by the time of the general election, or as otherwise required by law, the qualifications for the office for which he/she has filed.

    nbc: So far I am only aware of Hawaii explicitly requiring such a statement.

  360. avatar
    Greenfinches April 23, 2012 at 6:09 am #

    Paul Pieniezny: Gregorian chant should be a compulsory subject at French schools

    now that is a platform I can support!! and why limit it to schools in France, I say………

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    Thomas Brown April 23, 2012 at 9:12 am #

    Greenfinches: nowthat is a platformI can support!!andwhy limit it to schools in France, I say………

    Esposito: From this day on, the official language of San Marcos will be Swedish…. In addition to that, all citizens will be required to change their underwear every half-hour. Underwear will be worn on the outside so we can check. Furthermore, all children under 16 years old are now… 16 years old!

    Fielding Mellish: What’s the Spanish word for straitjacket?

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    The Magic M April 23, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    Another fun bit:

    Birthers often claim “the world is laughing it us” (by “us”, they don’t mean themselves), essentially claiming that the entire world “knows Obama isn’t eligible”.

    The other day, I watched the German celebrity edition of “Who wants to be a millionaire?” and the 125,000 EUR question was “What are POTUS and FLOTUS? A. Russian space stations. B. Variants of bird flu. C. (don’t remember) D. Barack and Michelle Obama”.

    If Germany is laughing at the US, it does a good job of hiding it. Though the candidate (who came up with the correct answer after first leaning towards A) was one of our most famous comedians. 😉

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    nbc April 23, 2012 at 3:30 pm #

    Thanks Doc…

    Dr. Conspiracy: The South Carolina Democratic Party certifies that each candidate meets, or will meet by the time of the general election, or as otherwise required by law, the qualifications for the office for which he/she has filed.

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    Linda April 23, 2012 at 6:56 pm #

    jbjd: Then, let me repeat, under TX law, in order for party candidates for President to be entitled to appear on the ballot, the party Chairs must have filed with the SoS adopted rules that spell out how they verified the candidates are federally qualified for the job.

    I read your article and the linked laws. While the law does say that the party must have rules that are filed with the SOS on how the comply with the requirements of law, it does not say what is evidence of qualification or what, if any, documentation a party must have as proof. In the article you show an image of Obama’s application to be on the Texas ballot. That form lists his date and place of birth, so that is two of the three Constitutional requirements. The public’s awareness of Obama from news articles in 1981 and his running for the Illinois State Senate beginning in 1995 would take care of the third requirement.

    Is there some other provision of Texas law that spells out what is required?

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    Rickey April 23, 2012 at 7:27 pm #

    Rambo Ike: Of all the many problems I have with RINO McCain, the last thing about him I’d question is his Fitreps, after what them guys went through at the Hanoi Hilton.

    Do you even know what a fitness report is? This has nothing to do with what he endured as a POW. But his fitness reports might explain why he was never given a command at sea and why he never attained a rank higher than Captain. That information would have helped voters to assess his suitability to be President.

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    Rambo Ike April 23, 2012 at 8:49 pm #

    Rickey: Do you even know what a fitness report is? This has nothing to do with what he endured as a POW. But his fitness reports might explain why he was never given a command at sea and why he never attained a rank higher than Captain. That information would have helped voters to assess his suitability to be President.

    Are you for real? Concerned over Fitreps of someone who is a POW at the Hanoi Hilton. If you were ever in the military you would know that all the enlisted & officers give their CO a bullet report/brag sheet [Fitrep] of their accomplishments & goals for the year. Then the CO rates them. I had 16 of them.

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    Rambo Ike April 23, 2012 at 9:38 pm #

    misha: “Have you no sense of decency?” – Joseph Welch to Sen. Joe McCarthy and Roy Cohn. I’ll develop some decency when Orly Taitz, Ted Nugent and their ilk develop decency. Until then, fight fire with fire. Mario Apuzzo does not have a shred of decency.“Injecting the Nazi SS & Calley as a counter to my comment is about as low as one can get.” Why? It’s the same thing. Calley could not even read a map.Which they thoroughly deserve, along with Westmoreland. Also, Robert McNamara knew the price of everything, and the value of nothing.Was McCain following protocol when he was one of the Keating Five? When he voted against the King holiday? When he took a marriage license, while still married? “Commies?” The kibbutzim are pure communism, and the foundation of Israel. They are a raucous democracy. I know; I lived at one for a year. Golda Meir was a lifelong socialist, and a Marxist when she first went to Palestine.

    The Russian archives vindicated McCarthy.

    How you went from 2 living American heros [Admiral Denton & Col. Day] to Golda Meir working a collectivist farm in pre-Israel Palistine defies common sense.

    Seriously, you actually believe those 2 great Americans deserve your denigration?

    You need to study up on your Kibbutzim? It’s wasn’t or isn’t the pure communism you’re making it out to be. It took injections of Capitalism to make it work, and the % of it is a fraction of the overall economy

    Of course you’re gonna smear Apuzzo, and anyone else that ain’t in agreement with your beliefs.

    Wasn’t the lone non-Democrat cleared in the Keating Five?

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    Rambo Ike April 23, 2012 at 9:54 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: South Carolina law Section 7-13-350 describes a certification requirement:The certification letter of the South Carolina Democratic Party stated:

    So the answer to my inquiry is only the 1 sent by the DNC to the HDP had the actual wording “legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution” for 0bama & Biden.

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    Dr. Conspiracy April 24, 2012 at 8:27 am #

    No, that’s not the answer so far as I know. I did a search some years ago, and I came up with some pretty small number of certifications that had been published. Hawaii is the only state that I know of where the DNC certification appears, but there are more than 40 of them that I have never seen.

    Originally birthers said there were none (a made up fact) and then they said that there was only one (apparently a made up fact too). However, the original point is a claim that Pelosi (somehow) knew Obama was ineligible and was unwilling to perjure herself to say he was eligible. Perjury is perjury whether it is one time or 50 times, and the fact that it appears in Hawaii is proof the Pelosi was willing to say under penalty of perjury, that Obama was eligible. Whether it was 1 time or 50 times is irrelevant.

    To date I know that the DNC certified in one state, the state party certificated in one state and the candidate (Obama) certified in two states. I don’t know of any state where no one certified.

    See also my article:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/09/mystery-graphologist-detects-lie/

    Rambo Ike: So the answer to my inquiry is only the 1 sent by the DNC to the HDP had the actual wording “legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution” for 0bama & Biden.

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    bob j April 24, 2012 at 9:04 am #

    Rambo Ike: Are you for real? Concerned over Fitreps of someone who is a POW at the Hanoi Hilton. If you were ever in the military you would know that all the enlisted & officers give their CO a bullet report/brag sheet [Fitrep] of their accomplishments & goals for the year. Then the CO rates them. I had 16 of them.

    I was in the military, and I never gave a such a report.

    One of us is misinformed, wrong, or lying.

    It isn’t me.

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    bob j April 24, 2012 at 9:17 am #

    I will also call you on what you post Rambo Ike. From your moronic tag name to the utter { expletive removed by author} you put forth; there is nothing but jingoistic nonsense in your posts.

    From your “knowledge” about Hitler ( and the inability to understand that Nazi and Commie are polar opposites), to the ignorance of American history you show, as you wrap the flag around you as tight as possible.

    American forces do not have the moral high ground on the battlefield.Soldiers from every force have acted in an honorable way. Soldiers from every force have acted in an dishonorable way.

    If you can’t see that, you must have been an awful soldier.

    According to your last post, you had 16 Fitreps. If, by your own words, a military member gives one every year; why did you only have 16?

    20 years too much?

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    Rambo Ike April 24, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    bob j: I was in the military, and I never gave a such a report. One of us is misinformed, wrong, or lying.It isn’t me.

    I have no idea what military you were in but it was required by our CO to have an evaluation [Fitrep] every year

    ——————————

    According to your last post, you had 16 Fitreps. If, by your own words, a military member gives one every year; why did you only have 16?

    20 years too much?

    Medical problems from Desert Storm [Kuwait and Jubail]

    .

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    El Diablo Negro April 24, 2012 at 11:41 am #

    I was in the U.S. Army from 1990-1993, there was no such thing as fitreps in that branch at that time. But there was a qualification test for fitness every month. Unfortnatly a serious hip injury stopped me from qualifying the distance run..Hence my short stint.

    Rambo Ike: I have no idea what military you were in but it was required by our CO to have an evaluation [Fitrep] every year

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    Rambo Ike April 24, 2012 at 12:31 pm #

    bob j: I will also call you on what you post Rambo Ike. From your moronic tag name to the utter { expletive removed by author} you put forth; there is nothing but jingoistic nonsense in your posts. From your “knowledge” about Hitler ( and the inability to understand that Nazi and Commie are polar opposites), to the ignorance of American history you show, as you wrap the flag around you as tight as possible.

    Why are so many intimidated by my online ID? LoL

    Responding to some of the comments I read in the thread “Zee Big Lie” [now closed for comments]. Just whatever comes to mind and in no particular order.

    From Ike’s Conservative Curriculum For Truth [reversing the spin of the revisionists]:

    Any type of government that is seen as having excessive control of the individual rights of the people is discribed as being fascist. The original definitition of a socialist was someone who was against individualism. From our American perspective these types of governments are always placed out on the farLeft. The farRight is lack of government control – usually associated with anarchy and some Libertarian groups. Our American founders understood this an aimed for a limited government [that what was necessary to protect the rights of the people].

    Both Communism & Naziism fall in the same totalitarian house on the farLeft, and you can include the Islamic States with them. It actually came down to a sibling rivalry between Hitler & Stalin. Hitler was just on the right side of Stalin in the same totalitarian house on the farLeft. Early on in the National Socialist movement in Germany Hitler stated that the Bolsheviks would make ideal Nazis if he could recruit them. Did Hitler despise socialism? Hitler: “When National Socialism has ruled long enough, it will no longer be possible to conceive of a form of life different from ours.”

    Part of the ODESSA was to get German SS officers into Middle East countries like Egypt to avoid capture for their war crimes. The largest division of the 3rd Reich army was muslims – known as the Hanzar Division. Heinrich Himmler, Head of SS, and close colleague of Amin Al-Husseini, financed and established Islamic Institute (Islamische Zentralinstitut’) in Dresden under the Mufti. The purpose was to create a generation of Islamic leaders that would continue to use Islam as a carrier for Nazi ideology into the 21st century.

    Fascism in the modern sense was the brainchild of Mussolini – someone greatly admired by Hitler. Mussolini was originally part of a marxist group, and wrote for a marxist publication. His fascist ideas were influenced by his marxist beliefs.

    If there is one statement in my understanding of what comprises the very foundation of what a Leftist’s believe in it comes from philosopher Georg Hegel, “All the worth which the human being possesses, all spiritual reality, he possesses only through the State.” Though Marx and Engels had some criticism of his work, Hegel was a strong influence on their writings.

    The secret Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact between Nazi Germany & Communist Russia to divide up the land between them is what sparked the start of WWII. Germany attacked Poland 1st followed by Russia a short time later. Stalin was furnishing Hitler with the oil he needed for his military machine as he overrun Western Europe.

    In America the communists supported the German 3rd Reich until it attacked Russia.

    That is only a small part of what I could post on the subject.
    ——————————————————————————
    Regarding Bill Ayers: The only part of it that was mine was calling out moonbat Brown on his “Tenuous connection”. All of it came from David Horowitz’s “Discover The Networks”. Under Ayers it’s the lead article. I would suggest you don’t challenge him on Ayers since he was an early radical of the 60s and know more about it than all of us put together.
    ——————————————————————————
    Dr. Conspiracy need to provide the answers to the Hitler quiz.

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    Rambo Ike April 24, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: No, that’s not the answer so far as I know. I did a search some years ago, and I came up with some pretty small number of certifications that had been published. Hawaii is the only state that I know of where the DNC certification appears, but there are more than 40 of them that I have never seen.Originally birthers said there were none (a made up fact) and then they said that there was only one (apparently a made up fact too). However, the original point is a claim that Pelosi (somehow) knew Obama was ineligible and was unwilling to perjure herself to say he was eligible. Perjury is perjury whether it is one time or 50 times, and the fact that it appears in Hawaii is proof the Pelosi was willing to say under penalty of perjury, that Obama was eligible. Whether it was 1 time or 50 times is irrelevant.To date I know that the DNC certified in one state, the state party certificated in one state and the candidate (Obama) certified in two states. I don’t know of any state where no one certified.See also my article:http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/09/mystery-graphologist-detects-lie/

    I’m not disputing anything you say on this. Though you’re partisan, you have shown alot of logic and in great detail on many of your posts.

    My objective was to find out if there was any others besides the 1 that the DNC sent to HDP with the wording legally qualified under the Constitution. So far I haven’t seen any.

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    Rickey April 24, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

    Rambo Ike: Are you for real? Concerned over Fitreps of someone who is a POW at the Hanoi Hilton. If you were ever in the military you would know that all the enlisted & officers give their CO a bullet report/brag sheet [Fitrep] of their accomplishments & goals for the year. Then the CO rates them. I had 16 of them.

    I was in the Navy when McCain was shot down. In the Navy fitness reports were periodic evaluations of officers which measured, among other things, their leadership abilities and whether they were recommended for promotion and eventual command.

    No one is questioning McCain’s heroism. However, the Navy never saw fit to give him a sea command and he never achieved a rank higher than Captain. Why was that? His fitness reports would tell us what his superiors thought about his ability, or lack thereof, to command.

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    Rickey April 24, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

    El Diablo Negro:
    I was in the U.S. Army from 1990-1993, there was no such thing as fitreps in that branch at that time. But there was a qualification test for fitness every month. Unfortnatly a serious hip injury stopped me from qualifying the distance run..Hence my short stint.

    I don’t know about the Army, but the Navy and Marines do periodic fitness reports of officers (they may also do them for senior non-commissioned officers). They have nothing to do with physical fitness.

  378. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy April 24, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    If you or anyone else has links to 2008 DNC, state party or candidate eligibility certifications, I would appreciate you using the site’s Contact form to send them to me. I am making a list (and checking it twice).

    Rambo Ike: My objective was to find out if there was any others besides the 1 that the DNC sent to HDP with the wording legally qualified under the Constitution. So far I haven’t seen any.

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    Bernard April 24, 2012 at 1:32 pm #

    I would like to point out, for the yumpteenth time, as I have on seventyleven other websites, that Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate not only has the impression seal and signature, but has been attested to by public statements issued by the previous Governor of Hawaii (a Republican), the Director of the Hawaii Dept of Health (also a Republican), the chief of the office of vital records, and the current Governor of Hawaii (who knew the Obama family back in 1961 and has personal memory of the parents bringing baby Barack home from the hospital).

    Under the Constitution’s Full Faith & Credit provision (Art. IV, sec. 1), this settles the matter.

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    JPotter April 24, 2012 at 2:08 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: If you or anyone else has links to 2008 DNC, state party or candidate eligibility certifications, I would appreciate you using the site’s Contact form to send them to me. I am making a list (and checking it twice).

    It seems that in the digital age, these records should be easily found online, so voters could inform themselves. The party would release them in a press release …. the state would make them available…not happening in Okieland, so far as I can tell.

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    Obsolete777 April 24, 2012 at 2:58 pm #

    Rambo Ike: Both Communism & Naziism fall in the same totalitarian house on the farLeft, and you can include the Islamic States with them.

    Repeating the lie doesn’t make it any more true.

    And you really think that fundamental Islamic governments (like the Taliban) have more in common with the left than with the far right? You would be right at home in the Taliban or with Iran’s government.

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    Thomas Brown April 24, 2012 at 3:22 pm #

    Obsolete777: Repeating the lie doesn’t make it any more true.

    And you really think that fundamental Islamic governments (like the Taliban) have more in common with the left than with the far right? You would be right at home in the Taliban or with Iran’s government.

    Plainly, you don’t speak Rambo.

    Anything good = “Right”
    Anything bad = “Far left” ( note: there is no “Left” or Progressive,” just “Far Left.”

    So:

    “Nazis, Islamists, Communists, Pedophiles, Dead Batteries, Fascists, Scabies, Socialists, Poison Ivy, Totalitarianism, Taxes, Bad Hair, Leprosy, IRS Audits, Migraines” = “Far Left.”

    “Puppies, Baseball, Freedom, Democracy (as long as a Republican wins), Tax Refunds, Lucky Breaks, Warning Tickets, Liberty, Mom, Nascar, Birthdays, Sunshine” = “Right.”

    Se how simple it is in the simple-minded world of simpletons?

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    sfjeff April 24, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

    Rambo Ike: In America the communists supported the German 3rd Reich until it attacked Russia.

    One quibble here. You gloss over the communists known as “premature anti-fascists”

    A large contingent of American Communists were firmly against all fascists, and fought the German and Italian Fascists in Spain. When the Soviet Union and Germany signed the peace deal, some of the American communists then stopped opposing Germany- though I don’t see any actual support for the 3d Reich. But other American Communists continued to oppose Fascism.

    Then of course American conservatives branded those who had opposed Fascism when the U.S. was not yet opposed to Fascism as ‘pre-mature anti-fascists’.

  384. avatar
    Linda April 24, 2012 at 4:01 pm #

    Rambo Ike: Hitler was just on the right side of Stalin in the same totalitarian house on the farLeft.

    You should check out Mein Kampf. Hitled hated communism and believed Marxism was a Jewish strategy, antithetical to the German way of life.

  385. avatar
    Linda April 24, 2012 at 4:25 pm #

    Rambo Ike: My objective was to find out if there was any others besides the 1 that the DNC sent to HDP with the wording legally qualified under the Constitution. So far I haven’t seen any.

    I saw the viral email a couple years ago that Pelosi signed forms with the qualification language omitted. It did not link to any documents (gasp!) filed by either the DNC or the RNC. It is hard to believe that if such language was required but omitted by at least the DNC (if not the RNC, too) that none of the state officials caught the discrepancy. Also, the rash of “birther bills” setting forth new filing requirements for candidates/parties would be redundant.

    I am interested in what both parties file.

  386. avatar
    Keith April 24, 2012 at 7:29 pm #

    It’s ANZAC day in Australia today (25 May).

    Lest We Forget

    Here’s a little history lesson for the young folk.

    Extra credit for bagpipe lovers.

  387. avatar
    Keith April 24, 2012 at 7:47 pm #

    Rambo Ike: My objective was to find out if there was any others besides the 1 that the DNC sent to HDP with the wording legally qualified under the Constitution. So far I haven’t seen any.

    Nor, apparently, have you asked the people who will know for sure: the Secretary of State of each of the 50 states and the various territories.

    The fact is the the certifications have to have the wording specified by the individual States.

    If Hawai’i demands the phrase you are looking for, and North Dakota demands a different form of words, how is that the DNC’s fault or Pelosi’s fault or Obama’s fault for following the appropriate law?

    If Hawai’i requires the local party to certifiy their candidate and New Jersey doesn’t require a certification as such, and Arizona wants the certification from the candidate themself, and Pennsylvania is happy for the national party organization to do the certification, how is that the DNC’s fault or Pelosi’s fault or Obama’s fault for following the appropriate law?

    The only way you can possibly find out if the law was followed in all 50 states and the various territories is to ask them. You cannot extrapolate from two or four examples to all 50 states.

  388. avatar
    Keith April 24, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

    Keith: It’s ANZAC day in Australia today (25 May).

    TYPO ATTACK!

    Make that 25 APRIL.

  389. avatar
    Arthur April 24, 2012 at 8:55 pm #

    Thanks, Thrifty, for that very troubling update on what may very well be a costly mistake for President Obama. When you think about it, Obama is the last person you’d expect to do something like that . . . I guess the pressure of the presidency is getting to him. I know someone who didn’t get tenure for exactly the same kind of compromising photo.

    Thrifty: New Obama scandal threatens President’s re-election chances!

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    Northland10 April 24, 2012 at 9:12 pm #

    As I arrived at home today, I picked up the mail. Low and behold, in the mail was a letter from none other than George Soros. I opened the letter thinking, at last, George was paying tribute to little ole me for my help in his takeover of the world through his secret “usurper President.” But no, he was only asking for money.

  391. avatar
    Dave April 24, 2012 at 9:47 pm #

    Reportedly Larry Klayman is asserting that his Florida ballot challenge is now in “discovery.” See e.g. ORYR. This flies in the face of reason, though I confess I have no idea what if anything he’s basing this claim on. Anybody have any idea what he’s talking about?

  392. avatar
    Arthur April 24, 2012 at 10:05 pm #

    From what I can tell, he’s basing his claim on wishful thinking and an understanding that birthers are so hungry for good news, they will accept whatever he tells them.

  393. avatar
    Rickey April 24, 2012 at 10:39 pm #

    Dave:
    Reportedly Larry Klayman is asserting that his Florida ballot challenge is now in “discovery.” See e.g. ORYR. This flies in the face of reason, though I confess I have no idea what if anything he’s basing this claim on. Anybody have any idea what he’s talking about?

    Typical Klayman B.S. The defendants filed Answers and Motions to Dismiss yesterday; obviously there will be no discovery while the Motions are pending.

    http://cvweb.clerk.leon.fl.us/process.asp?template=dockets&addQuery=real_case.case_id=%2758101756%27

  394. avatar
    misha April 25, 2012 at 1:21 am #

    Rambo Ike: Stalin was furnishing [Schicklgruber] with the oil he needed for his military machine as he overrun Western Europe.

    Everything you have written in all comments is pure, unadulterated drivel, but this takes grand prize.

    For those who are sane: The Fischer–Tropsch process did not provide Germany with enough to run their military, so Adolf Schicklgruber attacked Russia to gain possession of the oil fields. That sent him down the same road as Napoleon.

    Historical aside: During a tour of Germany in 1958, accompanied by then-wife Eden, daughter Melinda, Robert Dwan and Dwan’s daughter Judith, Groucho Marx climbed a pile of rubble that marked the site of Adolf Schicklgruber’s bunker, the site of his death, and performed a two-minute Charleston. He later remarked to Richard J. Anobile in The Marx Brothers Scrapbook, “Not much satisfaction after he killed six million Jews!”

    http://www.slc.edu/magazine/whats-so-funny/Whats_So_Funny_and_Why.php

  395. avatar
    The Magic M April 25, 2012 at 5:32 am #

    Arthur: From what I can tell, he’s basing his claim on wishful thinking and an understanding that birthers are so hungry for good news, they will accept whatever he tells them.

    He’s a copycat. Orly used the same approach, though it’s entirely possible that Orly did this out of insanity and not understanding the legal process wheres Klansman, sorry, Klayman is doing it on purpose. Claim success, then blame the inevitable loss on “someone got to the judge” or “abuse of the legal system”.
    (Though that is a tactic that may be employed by everyday lawyers as well once they realize they’ve got a crank client – the MO is “blame someone else so the client doesn’t focus his insanity on me”.)

  396. avatar
    Rambo Ike April 25, 2012 at 6:41 am #

    [This is off topic for the site. No further comments on this topic will be published. Doc.]

    sfjeff: One quibble here. You gloss over the communists known as “premature anti-fascists”A large contingent of American Communists were firmly against all fascists, and fought the German and Italian Fascists in Spain. When the Soviet Union and Germany signed the peace deal, some of the American communists then stopped opposing Germany- though I don’t see any actual support for the 3d Reich. But other American Communists continued to oppose Fascism.Then of course American conservatives branded those who had opposed Fascism when the U.S. was not yet opposed to Fascism as pre-mature anti-fascists’.

    With the signing of Nazi-Soviet Pact, orders from Uncle Joe to Communist Parties in all countries was to support Hitler.

    http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0857500.html
    The party’s attacks on Nazi Germany ended abruptly with the signing of the Hitler-Stalin nonaggression pact in Aug., 1939, and World War II, which immediately followed, was denounced as an “imperialist” war caused by Great Britain and France. American defense preparations and aid to the Western democracies were vigorously opposed as “war-mongering,” and Communist-dominated unions were quick to go out on strike. However, when Germany attacked Russia in June, 1941, the Communist position on the war changed overnight from “imperialist” to “democratic.” The party, under the leadership of Earl Browder, now went all out in its support of the war. Strikes were opposed as a hindrance to the war effort, and in 1944 the U.S. Communist party “disbanded” as a political party to become the Communist Political Association.

    http://historyhalf.com/treacherous-ally-the-soviets-in-wwii/
    Between August of 1939 and June of 1941, when Hitler and Stalin were coordinating their attacks on their neighbors under the “non-aggression pact,” Communist agents in Britain and the US were under orders from Moscow to help Hitler. During this period Soviet agents in the US were similarly publishing “anti-war” propaganda aimed at reducing American support for England, in general; and especially at keeping the US from joining the British in their war against Hitler. Earl Browder, the head of the Communist Party USA, published a book called The Second Imperialist War condemning the British war effort.6 Communists including Frederick Field organized a group called the American Peace Mobilization, which published “anti-war” propaganda, and even picketed the White House to oppose President Roosevelt’s plan to send aid to the British. But when Hitler invaded Russia on June 22 of 1941 the leaders of the American Peace Mobilization immediately forgot everything they had been saying about “peace,” re-named their organization the American People’s Mobilization, and started lobbying for the US to enter the war against the Nazis.7

    NAZI-Soviet Non-Agression Pact & The German-American Bund
    One complication for the Bund was the August 1939 NAZI-Soviet Non-Agression Pact, making Hitler and Stalin virtual allies. The American Communist Party had to reverse its anti-Nazi stand and opposed American aid to the Allies, dubbing President Franklin Roosevelt a “warmonger.”

  397. avatar
    Northland10 April 25, 2012 at 7:17 am #

    Thomas Brown: Plainly, you don’t speak Rambo.

    Anything good = “Right”
    Anything bad = “Far left” ( note: there is no “Left” or Progressive,” just “Far Left.”

    Four legs good, two legs bad!!!

  398. avatar
    The Magic M April 25, 2012 at 8:07 am #

    Northland10: Four legs good, two legs bad!!!

    No, they’re already at “four legs good, two legs better” – as in “it was never about the birth certificate”, something a birther wrote to me on WND after spending two long paragraphs harping about … the birth certificate. 😉

  399. avatar
    Northland10 April 25, 2012 at 8:39 am #

    Should it be one leg best? They’re all hopppin mad.

    The Magic M: No, they’re already at “four legs good, two legs better” – as in “it was never about the birth certificate”, something a birther wrote to me on WND after spending two long paragraphs harping about … the birth certificate.

  400. avatar
    Thrifty April 25, 2012 at 10:49 am #

    Has anyone else noticed that in response to charges of racism, the racists will often counter with “blacks are more racist than whites” claim? As if racism is something quantifiable, and it’s okay to be a little racist as long as you’re not very racist. As if I could go out and say “yeah I think blacks are violent, dumb savages, but I think Jews are A-OK. At least I’m not a Nazi who hates Jews!”

    I am saddened when a horrible person tries to justify his horribleness rather than make any attempt to be less horrible.

  401. avatar
    Thrifty April 25, 2012 at 10:51 am #

    Also there’s this classic exchange.

    Ronald Racist: Of course the guy is out of work. He’s black.
    Dave Decentperson: That’s terribly racist.
    Ronald Racist: Typical 0bot response. I’m racist because I don’t support 0bummer.

    Well…. it’s a dramatization, but you get my point.

  402. avatar
    Rambo Ike April 25, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    Rickey: I was in the Navy when McCain was shot down. In the Navy fitness reports were periodic evaluations of officers which measured, among other things, their leadership abilities and whether they were recommended for promotion and eventual command.No one is questioning McCain’s heroism. However, the Navy never saw fit to give him a sea command and he never achieved a rank higher than Captain. Why was that? His fitness reports would tell us what his superiors thought about his ability, or lack thereof, to command.

    I had to rethink what I said. It was 15

    How often were your periodic evaluations?

    McCain had disabilities. There was more than just his fitreps being considered.

  403. avatar
    bob j April 25, 2012 at 11:41 am #

    Rambo Ike,

    I am actually curious about the start of your thread.

    You stated that Obama was like Hitler.

    Please quantify and qualify that statement.

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    misha April 25, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    bob j: Rambo Ike, You stated that Obama was like Hitler. Please quantify and qualify that statement.

    Thank you.

  405. avatar
    Keith April 25, 2012 at 3:38 pm #

    Northland10:
    Should it be one leg best?They’re all hopppin mad.

    Sounds like you are profoundly prejudiced against unidexters. Perhaps you meant to use the politically correct term one leg too few?

  406. avatar
    Rickey April 25, 2012 at 4:12 pm #

    Rambo Ike:

    How often were your periodic evaluations?

    McCain had disabilities. There was more than just his fitreps being considered.

    I was a petty officer and was evaluated twice a year.

    McCain went through an extensive period of rehabilitation and eventually was cleared for unrestricted duty. Both his father and grandfather were four-star admirals, yet the only command he was given was a flight training squadron in Florida.

    Whatever the reasons, McCain could have cleared these questions up by releasing his Navy service record. He did not do so. What was he hiding?

  407. avatar
    sfjeff April 25, 2012 at 4:13 pm #

    “You stated that Obama was like Hitler.”

    I believe they both like dogs….

  408. avatar
    Majority Will April 25, 2012 at 5:38 pm #

    “Tony Perkins: Questions About Obama’s Birth Certificate Are ‘Legitimate’”
    By Alex Seitz-Wald on Apr 25, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/04/25/470925/tony-perkins-birther/?mobile=nc

    Check out who showed up in the comments to defend the birthers.

    So sad.

  409. avatar
    Sef April 25, 2012 at 5:55 pm #

    Rickey: a flight training squadron in Florida.

    Was this in any way related to the shrub?

  410. avatar
    Rambo Ike April 25, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

    bob j: Rambo Ike,I am actually curious about the start of your thread.You stated that Obama was like Hitler. Please quantify and qualify that statement.

    You need to produce my statement saying that.

    I did use Hitler & Goebbels as an example to point out something else I seen going on but it wasn’t for 0bama.

  411. avatar
    Rambo Ike April 25, 2012 at 7:21 pm #

    Rickey: I was a petty officer and was evaluated twice a year.McCain went through an extensive period of rehabilitation and eventually was cleared for unrestricted duty. Both his father and grandfather were four-star admirals, yet the only command he was given was a flight training squadron in Florida. Whatever the reasons, McCain could have cleared these questions up by releasing his Navy service record. He did not do so. What was he hiding?

    Were you active or reserve?

    I don’t question the military records of those that went through the years of torture like McCain did?

  412. avatar
    bob j April 25, 2012 at 10:28 pm #

    With all this military talk of late, I started thinking about how people are held in esteem.

    What John McCain went through as a POW was awful, and I admire his courage, just like Admiral Stockton, the former VP candidate for Perot. Both men should be held in high esteem for what they endured.

    One of the reasons I hold the President in high esteem is because he went from a single parent childhood to the editor of Harvard Law Review. He should be admired for what he did.

    When it comes to who would be a better President, for me the choice is clear.

  413. avatar
    bob j April 25, 2012 at 11:51 pm #

    Rambo Ike: You need to produce my statement saying that.

    I did use Hitler & Goebbels as an example to point out something else I seen going on but it wasn’t for 0bama.

    I can’t find your statement, but it was one in which you claimed that it was an eerie feeling, for people such as yourself who know the history of Hitler and the third Reich, watching the lead up to, and election of, the President. You made a direct link from the President’s supporters to the propaganda machine of Hitler.

    Many people called you out on that statement, and now you say it wasn’t about the President?

    I can’t find your post, but I know others here can.

  414. avatar
    bob j April 26, 2012 at 12:25 am #

    Found it.

    Rambo Ike from a post under the article Zee Big Lie.

    “Actually Lupin has it bass ackwards. I followed the 2008 campaign season from its start and the overall political arena in general up to this present time. I can say with complete honesty & void of any doubts, that the 0b0ts {0bama supporters] have been an ongoing reproduction of the trail blazed by Hitler starting in 1919 when he joined the small group that was the forerunner of the National Socialists {NAZIs] as their propagandist. Herr Wolf continued the Big Lie propaganda in his Mein Kampf and on into the ’30s when he started the Ministry of Propaganda and put his close comrade, Herr Goebbels, in charge.

    It’s an errie feeling for those of us who have studied the propaganda of the German 3rd Reich and followed what the 0b0ts have said over the past 4+ years”

    So, please clarify. the President’s followers are like Hitler? What does that the President?Those are your words. In this comparison are the supporters Hitler, and the President is Goebbels?

    I don’t want to put words in your opinion.

  415. avatar
    Rambo Ike April 26, 2012 at 8:30 pm #

    bob j: Found it.Rambo Ike from a post under the article Zee Big Lie.“Actually Lupin has it bass ackwards. I followed the 2008 campaign season from its start and the overall political arena in general up to this present time. I can say with complete honesty & void of any doubts, that the 0b0ts {0bama supporters] have been an ongoing reproduction of the trail blazed by Hitler starting in 1919 when he joined the small group that was the forerunner of the National Socialists {NAZIs] as their propagandist. Herr Wolf continued the Big Lie propaganda in his Mein Kampf and on into the ’30s when he started the Ministry of Propaganda and put his close comrade, Herr Goebbels, in charge.It’s an errie feeling for those of us who have studied the propaganda of the German 3rd Reich and followed what the 0b0ts have said over the past 4+ years”So, please clarify. the President’s followers are like Hitler? What does that the President?Those are your words. In this comparison are the supporters Hitler, and the President is Goebbels? I don’t want to put words in your opinion.

    I already answered this a number of times – you being one of them – in the same thread you took it from. You deliberately misrepresent the text.

    The nub of text was me making a comparison of the propaganda coming from the 0bama supporters over the last 4+ years to the way Hitler started his Big Lies with the Gemlich Letter on thru to the end of the 3rd Reich. I put the focus on what I seen as the Biggest Lie of them all: “People are racist if they aren’t for or don’t believe 0bama”. I didn’t go into any detail of explaining it or giving examples, except for pointing out a number of archives are laced with that particular LIE, because it’s more than what a forum like this can handle.

    The thread, Zee Big Lie, is a classic example of when the 0bama supporters address subjects other than Birther issues, they become completely lost, and have no idea of the core facts or what the truth is.

    As bad as you and some others were I found that Northland10 took 1st prize with his insertion of the red herring “Woods Fund” to change up the subject matter and tell an outright lie.

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    bob j April 26, 2012 at 11:51 pm #

    Okay, Rambo Ike. Thank-you for answering the question I posed. There are still some things that confuse me.

    Were there any official connection between the supporters of Obama, and the campaign?

    I don’t recall any kind of backlash against McCain for running against Obama.

    Are you extrapolating a small minority of supporters, who may have acted in the way you describe.?After all each side has extremists.

    I have not misrepresented what you stated. I have asked for your clarification. If you can read your own post, and fail to see the connection you made, then I am at a loss. Your own connection is awkward, at best.

    As for people who don’t believe Obama, are you talking about people who don’t think he was born in Hawaii?

    Rambo Ike: The thread, Zee Big Lie, is a classic example of when the 0bama supporters address subjects other than Birther issues, they become completely lost, and have no idea of the core facts or what the truth is.

    Again, I don’t want to put words into your post, but does this mean that the President’s supporters who address birthers are right? I know plenty of people who think the President has done a good job. But that gets into politics, which is not the crux of this site.

    What is the President’s role in your analogy?

    For the record, I am not an Obama supporter. I admire the President, as I do every President, but I love my country more than any President.