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Larry Klayman on Blog Talk Radio NOT

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cfp-radio/2012/06/23/the-hagmann-hagmann-report

Pamela Barnett too. Klayman hasn’t showed yet…

Voeltz is on now. He says, he had a bad feeling immediately upon seeing Obama for the first time. He says: “Judge Lewis is very professional, very fair.”

They banned me from the chat. Clearly there are things I know that they don’t want the listeners to know.

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115 Responses to Larry Klayman on Blog Talk Radio NOT

  1. avatar
    Andrew Vrba June 22, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

    This’ll be good!

  2. avatar
    misha June 22, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

    From the mouth of a gonif.

  3. avatar
    donna June 22, 2012 at 8:17 pm #

    misha: From the mouth of a gonif.

    hysterical

    do you live in nyc?

  4. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 22, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

    They banned me from the chat.

  5. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater June 22, 2012 at 8:22 pm #

    I’m not banned

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 22, 2012 at 8:26 pm #

    When then ban you, you can’t even see the chat. I should’a joined as a Guest and not under Dr. Conspiracy.

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: I’m not banned

  7. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 22, 2012 at 8:27 pm #

    Unchallenged BS upsets me. I disconnected.

  8. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater June 22, 2012 at 8:29 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Unchallenged BS upsets me. I disconnected.

    I’m challenging kyle johnson in the chatroom

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    bgansel9 June 22, 2012 at 8:34 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater:
    I’m not banned

    You’re doing a good job. I can’t read too much of that chat box echo chamber though, far too delusional. I bow to you for that ability.

  10. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater June 22, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

    Dr kate made a comment to me and then shut up quickly

  11. avatar
    bgansel9 June 22, 2012 at 8:37 pm #

    Kyle calls DKN delusional, yet, his side has lost case after case after case after…

    LMAO!

  12. avatar
    bgansel9 June 22, 2012 at 8:38 pm #

    I want to hear a retraction from Klayman when the court comes back and says his “Obama was nominated” argument was specious.

  13. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater June 22, 2012 at 8:39 pm #

    and now im banned lol

    That didn’t take long

  14. avatar
    bgansel9 June 22, 2012 at 8:40 pm #

    I’m lurking…

  15. avatar
    Dr Kenneth Noisewater June 22, 2012 at 8:41 pm #

    Dr kate was claiming I was RC or Dr Conspiracy lol

  16. avatar
    Majority Will June 22, 2012 at 8:43 pm #

    A bunch of douche bags.

  17. avatar
    bgansel9 June 22, 2012 at 8:43 pm #

    drkate just came up with the Obama/Romney = Coke/Diet Coke LOL

  18. avatar
    Majority Will June 22, 2012 at 8:47 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater:
    Dr kate made a comment to me and then shut up quickly

    I really want to know when she discovered water has memory (and what kind of medication might have been a factor).

  19. avatar
    bgansel9 June 22, 2012 at 8:53 pm #

    Someone named 1BlueRaven is going off about some governmental plot to target Christians for roundups. LMAO!

    Wow, they are INSANE!

  20. avatar
    bgansel9 June 22, 2012 at 8:55 pm #

    Barnett’s BS is deep and stinky.

  21. avatar
    justlw June 22, 2012 at 9:04 pm #

    OK, I just tuned in, and it seems to be some kind of apocalyptic rantfest. Is this part and parcel of the Klayman/Obama topic, or have they moved on to further insanity?

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    bgansel9 June 22, 2012 at 9:15 pm #

    Barnett needs serious mental help.

  23. avatar
    G June 22, 2012 at 9:19 pm #

    Most of them certainly seem to need that…

    bgansel9:
    Barnett needs serious mental help.

  24. avatar
    bgansel9 June 22, 2012 at 9:19 pm #

    I’ve hit my limit.

  25. avatar
    justlw June 22, 2012 at 9:22 pm #

    I was very tempted to write “That was the last sound Andrew Breitbart heard.”

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater June 22, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    bgansel9:
    Someone named 1BlueRaven is going off about some governmental plot to target Christians for roundups. LMAO!

    Wow, they are INSANE!

    my favorite was how someone was saying Reagan was a great christian and his speeches were so inspirational

  27. avatar
    justlw June 22, 2012 at 9:24 pm #

    Oh lord, they’re actually spinning a conspiracy around the screech noise.

  28. avatar
    Andrew Vrba June 22, 2012 at 9:27 pm #

    Oh Lordy, sounds like I’m saving myself some brain cells by not tuning in.

  29. avatar
    Bob June 22, 2012 at 9:28 pm #

    I tuned into hear Klayman beg for money and then say:

    “There are three levels of citizenship.”

    “Levels” ?! Not even “types.” It’s “levels” now.

    That was enough for me. I lasted about two minutes.

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    bgansel9 June 22, 2012 at 9:28 pm #

    Dr Kenneth Noisewater: my favorite was how someone was saying Reagan was a great christian and his speeches were so inspirational

    Well, you know his Star Wars program was completely taken from of the Bible. After all, Jedi Warriors are short for “Jesus Disciples” dontchaknow? 😛

  31. avatar
    Paper June 22, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    Listening to the talk about the make believe three types of citizenship, about how the term “natural born citizen” appears only once in our constitution, I realize something! There have only been 44 natural born citizens in our entire history. It’s clear! It’s only mentioned once in the Constitution because you only become a natural born citizen once you are elected.

    Note that winning the election is the key. If you’re not elected, you’re not natural born and can’t be sworn in at the inauguration. But if you win the election, that win makes you natural born and eligible to actually hold the office.

    See! Birther talk radio is an inspiration! And I get to prove Dr. Conspiracy right to boot. Obots do make things up, too!

  32. avatar
    Paper June 22, 2012 at 9:35 pm #

    Oops! You’re right. I actually corrected it in my mind as I typed the above, turning his “levels” into “types.” Because I unconsciously rejected the notion, no doubt.

    Bob:
    I tuned into hear Klayman beg for money and then say:

    “There are three levels of citizenship.”

    “Levels”?!Not even “types.”It’s “levels” now.

    That was enough for me.I lasted about two minutes.

  33. avatar
    Paper June 22, 2012 at 9:51 pm #

    Oooh! A constitutional lesson from Voeltz, an apparently “formidable adversary.” Can’t wait to fail my SATs after this lesson.

  34. avatar
    donna June 22, 2012 at 9:53 pm #

    pam barnett’s book “never vetted”

    i can hardly wait

  35. avatar
    Paper June 22, 2012 at 9:58 pm #

    Pamela Barnett: the way past the White House security/background check is get elected President. So simple. You would think more people would have thought of this before. You could slip right past the Secret Service. Just get elected President.

  36. avatar
    Bob June 22, 2012 at 9:59 pm #

    Yeah, it’s all fun and games . . . until someone’s sheet catches on fire.

  37. avatar
    JPotter June 22, 2012 at 9:59 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    When then ban you, you can’t even see the chat. I should’a joined as a Guest and not under Dr. Conspiracy.

    Nah. Force them to be the cowards, Doc. 😉

    Glad I missed it … in the real world, plants needed watering.

    Glad I passed on all their “interview” invites. I save my voice for the ballot box,and the offline world.

  38. avatar
    justlw June 22, 2012 at 9:59 pm #

    Well, that was certainly a peck o’ fun.

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    US Citizen June 22, 2012 at 10:00 pm #

    Paper:
    Pamela Barnett: the way past the White House security/background check is get elected President.So simple.You would think more people would have thought of this before.You could slip right past the Secret Service.Just get elected President.

    I believe this is the crux of their frustration.
    How could that uppity black kid become President when I couldn’t?

  40. avatar
    Majority Will June 22, 2012 at 10:04 pm #

    Paper:
    Listening to the talk about the make believe three types of citizenship, about how the term “natural born citizen” appears only once in our constitution, I realize something!There have only been 44 natural born citizens in our entire history.It’s clear!It’s only mentioned once in the Constitution because you only become a natural born citizen once you are elected.

    Note that winning the election is the key. If you’re not elected, you’re not natural born and can’t be sworn in at the inauguration.But if you win the election, that win makes you natural born and eligible to actually hold the office.

    See!Birther talk radio is an inspiration!And I get to prove Dr. Conspiracy right to boot. Obots do make things up, too!

    Sounds Dred-ful.

  41. avatar
    Bob June 22, 2012 at 10:06 pm #

    Author Arthur Goldwag says [paraphrasing from a radio interview] “what bothers them the most about Obama is that he waltzed right into the Oval Office like he belonged there.”

  42. avatar
    Paper June 22, 2012 at 10:14 pm #

    May I offer you a Scott tissue?

    Majority Will: Sounds Dred-ful.

  43. avatar
    G June 22, 2012 at 10:22 pm #

    http://instantrimshot.com/

    😉

    Paper:
    May I offer you a Scott tissue?

  44. avatar
    linda June 23, 2012 at 12:01 am #

    Thanks, Doc. I am listening now, but I may not be able to suffer through the whole thing. What a bunch of hooey!

  45. avatar
    Lupin June 23, 2012 at 2:16 am #

    Larry Klayman somehow appeals to my inner school bully. I want to give him a wedgie.

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    Red Right Hand June 23, 2012 at 2:19 am #

    Note that winning the election is the key. If you’re not elected, you’re not natural born and can’t be sworn in at the inauguration. But if you win the election, that win makes you natural born and eligible to actually hold the office.

    Hmmm…

    Elected = NBC, Not Elected = Not NBC.

    Sink = Witch, Not Sink = Not Witch.

    Worked for Cotton Mather…

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    US Citizen June 23, 2012 at 3:40 am #

    Red Right Hand:
    Note that winning the election is the key. If you’re not elected, you’re not natural born and can’t be sworn in at the inauguration. But if you win the election, that win makes you natural born and eligible to actually hold the office.

    Hmmm…

    Elected = NBC, Not Elected = Not NBC.

    Sink = Witch, Not Sink = Not Witch.

    Worked for Cotton Mather…

    Yes, but in this election one newt doesn’t get better. 🙂

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    Tarrant June 23, 2012 at 8:53 am #

    Paper:
    Pamela Barnett: the way past the White House security/background check is get elected President.So simple.You would think more people would have thought of this before.You could slip right past the Secret Service.Just get elected President.

    I always cringe when I hear them talk about how the President of the United States should have to go through a clearance process run by the CIA and FBI and the like…and that of a President doesn’t pass, sorry no Presidenting (while black…) for you, election be damned. You’re electing the person that will RUN the CIA and FBI (by proxy). The President doesn’t have to earn a security clearance, security clearances to everybody else are given out under his authority.

    It’s like the ones that say that the American way is somehow that the Joint Chiefs should be able to just veto the election. The officers in the military get their commissions FROM the President. They represent the President. They are wholly under his authority, for without him they are literally nothing.

  49. avatar
    JPotter June 23, 2012 at 9:23 am #

    Tarrant: election be damned … just veto the election.

    How can else can a tiny minority win an election?

    Nothing more insufferable than a minority convinced of its majority status.

  50. avatar
    Andrew Vrba June 23, 2012 at 10:04 am #

    Birthers are why eating paint chips is a terrible idea.
    I say this, because to be that out of touch with reality, you either need to be high all the time, or brain damaged.

  51. avatar
    richCares June 23, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    only 2 days till Klayman’s OMG moment fails, he promised an appeal, I think he enjoys failure. This follows his Esquire suit failure, he’s on a run.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 23, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    There is a hugely strong correlation between getting elected and being a natural born citizen. An American presidential campaign is a grueling affair with opposition candidates raising every possible objection (and sometimes impossible objections). I could not conceive a candidate not being eligible and actually being elected. Further, “election” implies certification of the electoral college vote by Congress, another hurdle for the hypothetical ineligible candidate. So while it’s a theoretical possibility, I don’t think an ineligible presidential candidate being elected has any chance of happening.

    Red Right Hand: Elected = NBC, Not Elected = Not NBC.

    Sink = Witch, Not Sink = Not Witch.

    Worked for Cotton Mather…

  53. avatar
    john June 23, 2012 at 10:30 am #

    It has already happened Doc. Why do you think people are suing Obama from seven ways to Sunday to keep him off the ballot – So it does not happened again.

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    Andrew Vrba June 23, 2012 at 10:34 am #

    richCares:
    only 2 days till Klayman’s OMG moment fails, he promised an appeal, I think he enjoys failure. This follows his Esquire suit failure, he’s on a run.

    I reason to actually look forward to Monday!

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    bgansel9 June 23, 2012 at 10:58 am #

    Dr. Conspiracy: An American presidential campaign is a grueling affair with opposition candidates raising every possible objection (and sometimes impossible objections).

    Ahh, but don’t you know? Birtherism was started by a Hillary Clinton supporter. Yeah, a PUMA member is supposed to have started it. Bwahahahahaha!

    The funny thing about the PUMA movement, I knew it was a GOP black ops objective from the moment it started. Those people were as rabid and delusional as the right had been displaying for a long time by that point and didn’t do a very good job of hiding it.

    These crazy wingnuts never take responsibility for anything.

  56. avatar
    Bob June 23, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    Clinging to a nutty conspiracy theory that they can’t really believe is their idea of “politics.”

  57. avatar
    justlw June 23, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    john: It has already happened Doc.

    131 years is a long time to hold on to a grudge.

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    Scientist June 23, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: So while it’s a theoretical possibility, I don’t think an ineligible presidential candidate being elected has any chance of happening.

    And if it did, so what? What data is there to suggest that a President selected from amongst non-natural born citizens would be any worse (or better) than one selected from amongst the natural born? Buchanan, Pierce and Hoover were all (very likely) natural born citizens and they stank up the White House. Would anyone seriously quake in fear at the prospect of a President Schwarzenegger or a President Granholm?

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    Scientist June 23, 2012 at 1:02 pm #

    Vetting of Presidents by the Security Services and the miilitary is what is happening in Eygpt right now so that Mabarak’s cronies can circumvent the people and stay in power. It never fails that the birthers model themselves after dictatorships.

    Someone has to appoint the vetters. Suppose Obama appointed vetters to vet candidates to replace him in 2016 and they found excuses to exclude all Republicans?

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    Paper June 23, 2012 at 1:08 pm #

    John, while I get Dr. Conspiracy’s observation about the inherent vetting of the campaign and electoral process, you are missing the real point.

    None of *us* are natural born citizens. The term is only used for presidents. It has no other constitutional value. Obviously, that means there have only been 44 natural born citizens in our whole history…depending if you count vice-presidents, but we’ll let that slide for now.

    I saw the light during last night’s birther Internet radio chat. I mean, if there really are three levels to citizenship, there is no other point to the third level of being natural born other than being president. As it is silly to create a whole separate and distinct level of citizenship that applies to most of the country when such special status has such an *extremely* limited application, the answer must be that the founders clearly meant the Constitution to confer that status upon the role of president. I mean, they would have made George Washington a king except for his forbearance, so they clearly still wanted to at least officially note the special nature of a president.

    They couldn’t just say the presidents are special elite beings chosen by G-d, like kings of old, but they could still have the Constitution record that presidents, and only presidents (or their Vice-understudies), have the special level of citizenship called natural born.

    Congress later tried to broaden that level, make it more democratic, with their nationalization laws, but even then the Illuminati had their fingers in the pie, and they made sure that wording got eliminated from the laws, so that natural born would retain its secret elite level.

    I mean, a whole distinct level of citizenship with its only purpose being the eligibility of presidents? There must be some kind of elite conspiracy there. And we know that the Antichrist will mark the people with his mark, which can only be the mark of being a natural born citizen!

    It’s all clever millennia old reverse psychology. Get the people to demand that they are natural born, too, and thus eagerly embrace the mark of the Antichrist of their own free will. I really don’t know any other reasonable explanation. That natural born means Citizenship at birth? Come on. We have to use our brains and remember Occam’s Razor: conspiracies are always the real explanation.

    john:
    It has already happened Doc.Why do you think people are suing Obama from seven ways to Sunday to keep him off the ballot – So it does not happened again.

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    Jamese777 June 23, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

    john:
    It has already happened Doc.Why do you think people are suing Obama from seven ways to Sunday to keep him off the ballot – So it does not happened again.

    How’s that working out for you? There have already been 225 judicial decisions at the original jurisdiction, state and federal appellate and US Supreme Court levels and no Court and not one single judge has ever ruled Barack Obama to be ineligible.

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    JPotter June 23, 2012 at 1:31 pm #

    richCares:
    only 2 days till Klayman’s OMG moment fails, he promised an appeal, I think he enjoys failure. This follows his Esquire suit failure, he’s on a run.

    A rational client would have fired Klayman long ago. But they keep him on … almost as if …. it isn’t about winning …. 😉

    A rational lawyer wouldn’t keep taking a nutty client’s cases ….. unless …. it’s only about money, and not results. Would a failed lawyer drowning in debt really just take take cases for cash, reputation and record be damned?

    Well, duh.

    I, too appreciate the monday entertainment!

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    JPotter June 23, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

    Scientist: Vetting of Presidents by the Security Services and the miilitary is what is happening in Eygpt right now so that Mabarak’s cronies can circumvent the people and stay in power. It never fails that the birthers model themselves after dictatorships.

    I was reminded last night when hearing about the situation in Egypt that birthers started laying their rationalization of an Obama re-election long ago. The gov’t is afraid of flash mobs, so they just let him win.

    Anyone see any birthers referring to Egypt and calling it our future yet?

    If Obama wins, we’ll be hearing it for four years. I hope I can keep laughing that long.

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    JPotter June 23, 2012 at 1:39 pm #

    FIFY … I thought courts were closed on Sunday? Have de birfers been holding more cult meetings?

    john:
    Wingnuts wallowing in denial say it already happened Doc.Why do you think people are suing Obama from seven ways to Sunday to keep him off the ballot – to save themselves from scratching their eyes out.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 23, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

    Hillary supporters were early birthers, but the best information is that they didn’t actually start the rumor.

    bgansel9: Ahh, but don’t you know? Birtherism was started by a Hillary Clinton supporter. Yeah, a PUMA member is supposed to have started it

  66. avatar
    Daniel June 23, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

    I think it was Voeltz who commented…

    “Even my wife tells me I’m wasting my time”

    Maybe you should ask yourself… why?

  67. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 23, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    There was no promise of a ruling on Monday. Add to that, Klayman has submitted a second amended complaint.

    Andrew Vrba: I reason to actually look forward to Monday!

  68. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 23, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    And why are all those lawsuits lost or dismissed? Because it didn’t happen in the first place.

    john: It has already happened Doc. Why do you think people are suing Obama from seven ways to Sunday to keep him off the ballot – So it does not happened again.

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    bgansel9 June 23, 2012 at 1:47 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Hillary supporters were early birthers, but the best information is that they didn’t actually start the rumor.

    Yes, I realize that. At the same time, there were a lot of pro-wingnuts posing as PUMA back then too.

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    JPotter June 23, 2012 at 2:07 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    There was no promise of a ruling on Monday. Add to that, Klayman has submitted a second amended complaint.

    Proposed orders were due on Monday, if I recall correctly.

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    G June 23, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    And nearly all of those PUMAs voted for McCain/Palin and their online commentary indicates that most of them have only supported pro-wingnut causes and candidates since that time…

    …so whether a number of them were just posing before or actually held Democratic values before 2008, that is no longer relevant. They decided to come out as pro-wingnut in 2008 and that is where they remain.

    They are already baked into the voting equation, as they were part of McCain’s vote tally in 2008 (although a few voted 3rd party). They will remain as much of a non-factor in this year’s election as they always have been.

    bgansel9: Yes, I realize that. At the same time, there were a lot of pro-wingnuts posing as PUMA back then too.

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    bgansel9 June 23, 2012 at 2:26 pm #

    G:
    And nearly all of those PUMAs voted for McCain/Palin and their online commentary indicates that most of them have only supported pro-wingnut causes and candidates since that time…

    …so whether a number of them were just posing before or actually held Democratic values before 2008, that is no longer relevant.They decided to come out as pro-wingnut in 2008 and that is where they remain.

    They are already baked into the voting equation, as they were part of McCain’s vote tally in 2008 (although a few voted 3rd party).They will remain as much of a non-factor in this year’s election as they always have been.

    Exactly G. I’m just saying, being a PUMA doesn’t mean it was a Democrat that supposedly “dis-covered” the birther conspiracy.

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    richCares June 23, 2012 at 2:31 pm #

    “Add to that, Klayman has submitted a second amended complaint.”
    .
    Under the rules of the Court, one cannot file a second amended complaint without filing for leave of court. So new Docket entry shows up:
    6/22/2012 JOINT MOTION TO STRIKE UNAUTHORIZED SECOND AMENDED COMPLAINT

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    misha June 23, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: Hillary supporters were early birthers, but the best information is that they didn’t actually start the rumor.

    Correct me if I’m wrong. I believe ‘Obama was born in Mombasa,’ was started by Phil Berg, a Hilary supporter, who wanted to derail Obama.

    Berg is a registered Democrat and once held an elected office. His practice is in Norristown, 20 miles from here. He had to mortgage his house to pay the $10K sanction, because of his antics.

  75. avatar
    Jim June 23, 2012 at 2:50 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    There was no promise of a ruling on Monday. Add to that, Klayman has submitted a second amended complaint.

    Monday the 2 sides are suppose to turn in what they consider the final order should look like and the Judge said he’d make his ruling ASAP after that. I imagine it will be dismissed no later than Wednesday, if I had to guess.

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    SluggoJD June 23, 2012 at 3:12 pm #

    john:
    It has already happened Doc.Why do you think people are suing Obama from seven ways to Sunday to keep him off the ballot – So it does not happened again.

    Why?

    Because you just can’t stand a black guy who is smarter and better and more successful than you…………

    Of course, in your case, a frog is smarter and better and more successful.

  77. avatar
    JPotter June 23, 2012 at 3:32 pm #

    richCares: Under the rules of the Court, one cannot file a second amended complaint without filing for leave of court. So new Docket entry shows up:
    6/22/2012 JOINT MOTION TO STRIKE UNAUTHORIZED SECOND AMENDED COMPLAINT

    At the end of the hearing, Lewis asked Klayman to get something to him covering his argument that Obama was born elsewhere … territory Klayman blundered into during the hearing, but hadn’t touched on in the original complaint (I think…). I believe that request from Lewis was the genesis of the 2nd complaint.

    Anyway, it doesn’t matter, it’s just going through the motions. (haha)

  78. avatar
    Bob June 23, 2012 at 3:32 pm #

    OT:
    (If you don’t already know) Orly is scheduled to be on Stephanie Miller on Tuesday in the third hour.

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    misha June 23, 2012 at 3:38 pm #

    donna: misha: From the mouth of a gonif. hysterical do you live in nyc?

    I’m a product of the Lower East Side and the Borscht Belt. I now live in Philly’s Chinatown.

    “Could I have a lock of your hair? Actually, I’d like the whole wig.” – Groucho Marx

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    Majority Will June 23, 2012 at 4:05 pm #

    Bob:
    OT:
    (If you don’t already know) Orly is scheduled to be on Stephanie Miller on Tuesday in the third hour.

    Will Stephanie be able to breathe? It sounds awkward.

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    donna June 23, 2012 at 4:22 pm #

    misha: “I’m a product of the Lower East Side and the Borscht Belt. I now live in Philly’s Chinatown.

    “Could I have a lock of your hair? Actually, I’d like the whole wig.” – Groucho Marx

    lol you’re a very funny guy

    i’m in westchester and can relate to everything you write

    john: Why do you think people are suing Obama from seven ways to Sunday to keep him off the ballot?

    anyone can sue over anything as we’ve seen

    pam barnett explained their “plot” – and since they are unable to win in the courts, they are going the ballot challenge route all over the country and basically “judge”/venue shopping until they pick a “winner”

    a BETTER question – IF obama were perpetrating the biggest case of fraud in the history of the world, WHY aren’t competent, accomplished, well respected attorneys chomping at the bit to prosecute it?

    you know ….. people like ted olson, joe digenova, victoria toensing, ben ginsberg etc

    ben ginsberg sits on the Advisory Committee of the Election Law Program at William & Mary Law School

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    G June 23, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

    Agreed. Point taken.

    bgansel9: Exactly G. I’m just saying, being a PUMA doesn’t mean it was a Democrat that supposedly “dis-covered” the birther conspiracy.

  83. avatar
    Bob June 23, 2012 at 7:17 pm #

    Majority Will: Will Stephanie be able to breathe? It sounds awkward.

    How about Newt Gingrich on Lou Dobbs?

  84. avatar
    James M June 23, 2012 at 8:03 pm #

    john:
    It has already happened Doc.Why do you think people are suing Obama from seven ways to Sunday to keep him off the ballot – So it does not happened again.

    The allegations are of specific crimes including forgery. We know the provenance of the allegedly forged documents, and therefore can identify a suspected forger. So my question is, and has long been, “why are these people you mention suing Obama?”
    Why aren’t they demanding criminal charges with their accusations of forgery?

    If you are certain that the documents were forged, then you should take your evidence to law enforcement.

  85. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 23, 2012 at 8:30 pm #

    I refer folks to The Secret Origins of the Birthers that Loren did, and I consider the standard reference on the subject.

    http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2011/06/secret-origin-of-birthers.html

    The original rumor mentioned Kenya, but not Mombasa. Berg popularized the Mombasa story, but I don’t know that Berg ever said anything that he didn’t find on the Internet first.

    According to WorldNetDaily:

    The Washington state case also alleges, “Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal as a contributing writer and published an article on June 9, 2008, stating that a research team went to Mombassa [sic], Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a Kenya Maternity Hospital, to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen.

    misha: Correct me if I’m wrong. I believe ‘Obama was born in Mombasa,’ was started by Phil Berg, a Hilary supporter, who wanted to derail Obama.

  86. avatar
    Arthur June 23, 2012 at 8:36 pm #

    You already know the answer, donna—“THEY’RE ALL IN ON THE CONSPIRACY!!”

    donna: a BETTER question – IF obama were perpetrating the biggest case of fraud in the history of the world, WHY aren’t competent, accomplished, well respected attorneys chomping at the bit to prosecute it?

  87. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 23, 2012 at 8:37 pm #

    That’s why the birthers are suing, to get some evidence. Several birthers have said so.

    James M: If you are certain that the documents were forged, then you should take your evidence to law enforcement.

  88. avatar
    Arthur June 23, 2012 at 8:38 pm #

    Bob: How about Newt Gingrich on Lou Dobbs?

    Anything is less grotesque than Mario on the Constitution. Ewww.

  89. avatar
    Rickey June 23, 2012 at 8:51 pm #

    donna:

    i’m in westchester and can relate to everything you write

    I grew up in Katonah, now living in Dutchess County.

  90. avatar
    Majority Will June 23, 2012 at 8:55 pm #

    Bob: How about Newt Gingrich on Lou Dobbs?

    There’s way too much fatback in that pork sandwich.

  91. avatar
    Rickey June 23, 2012 at 8:58 pm #

    john:
    Why do you think people are suing Obama from seven ways to Sunday to keep him off the ballot

    Because birthers are like the guy who invented a new widget and told his friend that it was going to make him a fortune.

    Friend: How much will it cost?

    Inventor: I’m going to charge a million dollars for it.

    Friend: Wow, that’s awfully expensive.

    Inventor: Yeah, but I only have to sell one.

  92. avatar
    bgansel9 June 23, 2012 at 9:25 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: I refer folks to The Secret Origins of the Birthers that Loren did, and I consider the standard reference on the subject.

    http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2011/06/secret-origin-of-birthers.html

    Ah, good ol’ Free Republic. I should have guessed. LOL

  93. avatar
    Chef June 23, 2012 at 9:31 pm #

    “They banned me from the chat. Clearly there are things I know that they don’t want the listeners to know.”

    Don’t flatter yourself. They consider you a “troll.”

    LOL

  94. avatar
    Majority Will June 23, 2012 at 9:34 pm #

    Chef:
    “They banned me from the chat. Clearly there are things I know that they don’t want the listeners to know.”

    Don’t flatter yourself. They consider you a “troll.”

    LOL

    LOL, indeed. And irony is not the opposite of wrinkly.

  95. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 23, 2012 at 9:38 pm #

    I had never visited the show before, and I had said very little. No, someone recognizing the name is the only explanation.

    Chef: Don’t flatter yourself. They consider you a “troll.”

  96. avatar
    Keith June 23, 2012 at 10:04 pm #

    SluggoJD: Why?

    Because you just can’t stand a black guy who is smarter and better and more successful than you…………

    Of course, in your case, a frog is smarter and better and more successful.

    Speaking of frogs. Do you think ‘toad marching’ would work as well as ‘frog marching’?

    I know where I can lay my hands on a few hundred million cane toads that nobody would miss.

  97. avatar
    Majority Will June 23, 2012 at 10:10 pm #

    Keith: Speaking of frogs. Do you think ‘toad marching’ would work as well as ‘frog marching’?

    I know where I can lay my hands on a few hundred million cane toads that nobody would miss.

    Both of those are probably less painful than tadpoling.

  98. avatar
    richCares June 23, 2012 at 10:28 pm #

    “Speaking of frogs. Do you think ‘toad marching’ would work as well as ‘frog marching’?”
    .
    I invested heavily in frogs for the marching, I advertised them on birther sites for $1.00 each or 2 for $3.00. I only sold 6 frogs, 3 to Orly and 3 to Haskins. They each opted for the 2 for $3.00. (that’s 6 frogs) Evidently birferstan is not banking on frog marching. I stand to lose a lot of money if Klayman loses. My backup plan is buying 100 boxes of tooth picks, aging them and selling them as slivers of Noah’s ark at $75.00 each. WND has been touting the flood story lately so I may make a killing.

  99. avatar
    misha June 23, 2012 at 11:14 pm #

    donna: lol you’re a very funny guy i’m in westchester and can relate to everything you write

    Mel Brooks, born Melvin Kaminsky, started as a Borscht Belt tummler. If you look at the Indian chief’s headdress embroidery, it says “Kosher for Passover,” in Hebrew:

    http://www.dvd-covers.org/d/155122-5/BlazingSaddles_BD_label.jpg

    Myron Cohen was the best comedian who ever lived:

    A group of men are having their Wednesday night poker game. One realizes he lost $800. He stands up and says, “Oy! I’ve lost $800.” He clutches his chest, and drops dead of a heart attack.

    “Who’s going to tell his wife?”, they all ask. They draw straws, and one ends up with the shortest. “You’re it.”

    He goes to the man’s house, and knocks on the door. “Mrs. Goldberg, oh Mrs. Goldberg. Hello, please.” She comes to the door. “Yes?”

    “I have some terrible news about your husband.” “What kind of news?”, she asks.

    “We were playing poker, and your husband lost $800.”
    “Mine husband lost $800 playing cards?! He should drop dead.”

    “Lady, you’re in luck.”

  100. avatar
    misha June 24, 2012 at 12:03 am #

    Majority Will: There’s way too much fatback in that pork sandwich.

    Pork? You should bite your tongue.

  101. avatar
    Majority Will June 24, 2012 at 2:05 am #

    misha: Pork? You should bite your tongue.

    http://instantrimshot.com/

    😀

  102. avatar
    ZixiOfIx June 24, 2012 at 5:44 am #

    Majority Will: I really want to know when she discovered water has memory (and what kind of medication might have been a factor).

    Are you talking about homeopathy? It’s the belief that water retains the memory of whatever it has had in it, and that somehow, a substance (medicine or even poison) with water till the substance is no longer detectable in any way. The “memory” of the medicine having once been in the water makes it more powerful than it was when it was full-strength.

    It has been around since the 19th century and is considered utter garbage by scientists and medical doctors. This does not prevent people from believing in homeopathy, of course.

  103. avatar
    Majority Will June 24, 2012 at 8:23 am #

    ZixiOfIx: Are you talking about homeopathy? It’s the belief that water retains the memory of whatever it has had in it, and that somehow, a substance (medicine or even poison) with water till the substance is no longer detectable in any way. The “memory” of the medicine having once been in the water makes it more powerful than it was when it was full-strength.

    It has been around since the 19th century and is considered utter garbage by scientists and medical doctors. This does not prevent people from believing in homeopathy, of course.

    Ask Dr. Kate. It is her theory.

    (excerpt from her blog) “Water has memory…think of a glass of water in the sunshine, it memorizes the heat and holds it. The water in your body remembers the greeting you did or did not receive when you got home. The water bed remembers your tossing and turning, holding that memory for the next evening. Water remembers energy.” – drkate

    (From The Ugly List: http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/charging-the-water/)

  104. avatar
    Majority Will June 24, 2012 at 8:30 am #

    Majority Will: Ask Dr. Kate. It is her theory.

    (excerpt from her blog) “Water has memory…think of a glass of water in the sunshine, it memorizes the heat and holds it.The water in your body remembers the greeting you did or did not receive when you got home.The water bed remembers your tossing and turning, holding that memory for the next evening.Water remembers energy.” – drkate

    (From The Ugly List: http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/charging-the-water/)

    P.S.

    “Did you know that water has more memory than a silicon computer chip?”

    – drkate

  105. avatar
    Fine Lines June 24, 2012 at 9:21 am #

    I don’t know that we need to be too hard on Dr. Kate for talking about memory. On one level, it is just a manner of speaking. After all, retention of heat is a kind of “memory,” and water does retain all kinds of particles, from minute to gross amounts of chemicals. etc. Certainly this kind of thing can become magical thinking, and perhaps the waterbed image goes a bit far, but on the other hand, there is something to the phenomenon of walking back into a room and re-associating with one’s own memory (feeling better or worse just by walking into a room). So hucksters can make something real into magical nonsense, but there is something to “memory” as a way of speaking. Besides being a universal solvent, water “remembers” or holds heat, thus making for milder winters in coastal areas.

    Anyway, no reason to pile on, is all I’m saying. The birther stuff is enough.

    Or let’s be clear about the line between magical thinking and somewhat useful imagery. I think it is somewhat useful to talk about water as having memory, as then people may not pollute it as much, if they think the water will “remember.”

  106. avatar
    Majority Will June 24, 2012 at 9:58 am #

    Fine Lines: Anyway, no reason to pile on, is all I’m saying. The birther stuff is enough.

    “Your honor, the testimony about the defendant’s theories of junk science goes to character, rationality and credibility.”

    “I’ll allow it.”

    (end hypothetical dialogue)

    The “Doctor” has vomited so much hatred, evil, bigotry and lies that I see no reason not to pile on.

    She has sown. She shall reap.

  107. avatar
    gorefan June 24, 2012 at 10:32 am #

    Fine Lines: the water will “remember”

    Sometimes it has more than memory.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNLtPLFECNw

  108. avatar
    Fine Lines June 24, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    Well, I have to give you the debating point, and I’m not really trying to defend water memory,
    but one of the things I dislike most about Birthers is their righteous justifications and piling on. I don’t like it when anyone takes on the authority of saying who should reap. She may reap what she has sown, but I will not become like her. I just don’t like saying someone is a fool, therefore they are wrong about x y and z too. They are wrong because they are wrong, not because they are fools. Even some very bright people believe conspiracy crap.

    Majority Will: “Your honor, the testimony about the defendant’s theories of junk science goes to character, rationality and credibility.”

    “I’ll allow it.”

    (end hypothetical dialogue)

    The “Doctor” has vomited so much hatred, evil, bigotry and lies that I see no reason not to pile on.

    She has sown. She shall reap.

  109. avatar
    Fine Lines June 24, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    Of course, the finding that water loses its “memory” within fifty millionths of a nanosecond means that it actually had a “memory” for fifty millionths of a nanosecond. That’s one fine line, I think we might agree. So…

    My kingdom for fifty millionths of a nanosecond!

  110. avatar
    alg June 24, 2012 at 12:49 pm #

    Finally got a chance to listen to the whole thing. Am disappointed that Klayman was a no-show, but it was entertaining just the same. These guys are going to be terrifically disappointed when Judge Lewis tosses the case without ceremony.

  111. avatar
    G June 24, 2012 at 3:08 pm #

    You are being way too kind to Dr. Kate here and granting her better intentions than her own posts reveal.

    If you spend enough time reading through her crazy rants, it becomes clear she isn’t making some mere “metaphor” for the memory at all. She truly believes and pushes the “magical thinking” junk science aspects of the stuff.

    No, she REALLY is just a total nut and conspiracy kook who regularly touts a number of bogus theories. Homeopathic “memory water” is just one of them. She’s also big into fearing a government conspiracy of “Chemtrails” intentionally poisoning and manipulating the population. She also tends to go off on rant tangents involving all sorts of NWO nuttery – FEMA camps, HAARP weather control, brainwashing conspiracies, etc, etc.

    So yeah, she’s a complete and utter conspiracy nut and pusher of bogus junk. She’s way off her rocker and untethered to reality. Plus, she’s a fairly open racist and bigot to boot.

    Fine Lines:
    I don’t know that we need to be too hard on Dr. Kate for talking about memory….
    Anyway, no reason to pile on, is all I’m saying.The birther stuff is enough.

    Or let’s be clear about the line between magical thinking and somewhat useful imagery. I think it is somewhat useful to talk about water as having memory, as then people may not pollute it as much, if they think the water will “remember.”

  112. avatar
    bovril June 24, 2012 at 3:33 pm #

    G,

    Don’t forget that Dr K(H)ate also recently started pushing The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as “real and relevant”

    http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2012/05/22/witness-to-the-protocols/

    Oh and NOT A SINGLE ONE OF HER POSTERS called her on it.

  113. avatar
    G June 24, 2012 at 3:49 pm #

    True. She’s full of an assorted variety of bigotries, bile and hate.

    Most disturbing is how often she is touting the depraved writings of Lame Cherry. That is a level of filth that is beyond the pale. Dr. K(H)ate deserves to be fully tarnished with the same brush as Lame Cherry. Birds of a feather…

    bovril:
    G,

    Don’t forget that Dr K(H)ate also recently started pushing The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as “real and relevant”

    http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2012/05/22/witness-to-the-protocols/

    Oh and NOT A SINGLE ONE OF HER POSTERS called her on it.

  114. avatar
    Fine Lines June 24, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

    You are probably right.

    G:
    You are being way too kind to Dr. Kate here and granting her better intentions than her own posts reveal.

  115. avatar
    James M June 29, 2012 at 6:27 pm #

    bovril:
    G,

    Don’t forget that Dr K(H)ate also recently started pushing The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as “real and relevant”

    http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2012/05/22/witness-to-the-protocols/

    Oh and NOT A SINGLE ONE OF HER POSTERS called her on it.

    I took a quick look at that site. I’m speechless. I wouldn’t know where to begin.