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Obots make stuff up too

Birthers make stuff up all the time, and will say pretty much whatever is needed to justify their position. Since birtherism is in essence a big lie, one would expect a lot of what is said in support of it to be lies too. We anti-birthers pride ourselves on being right and having the facts, and I have over 2,000 articles on this web site that I believe are factual and well-supported – and when someone claims they are not, I check it out rigorously.

That said, there is no divine law that says that people who are right in their conclusions can’t fall prey to the same errors of thinking as people who are wrong. Case in point, this comment I found on the Internet:

The eminent biographer Dave Maraniss new book, "Barack Obama: The Story," underscores how stupid, unnecessary and misguided this whole birther thing and issues about President Obama’s birth certificate are.

In the book, Maraniss interviews several OB-GYN physicians concerning complications with Stanley Ann Dunham’s pregnancy with Barack. She consulted with doctors in Hawaii and in the continental U.S. They fill in the details about Obama’s gestation and birth in Hawaii.

I have the book, and I can tell you that no physicians were interviewed, there is no discussion of the Dunham pregnancy, and certainly nothing about consultations with mainland doctors. That’s totally made up. The only two doctors mentioned are both deceased: Dr. Sinclair who delivered Obama, and Dr. West who is reported to have mentioned the odd name of Obama’s mother (“Stanley”) to a family friend.

I don’t see things like this a lot from anti-birthers, but they come up from time to time, providing us with a cautionary tale against letting wishful thinking get the better of us. If it’s “too good to be true” it’s probably time to check sources.

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89 Responses to Obots make stuff up too

  1. avatar
    Jim June 21, 2012 at 3:57 pm #

    Yeah, read and then verify. It’s not like humans NEVER make mistakes.

    http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2012/06/21/thank-god-the-ottawa-citizen-has-sorted-this-out/

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    BillTheCat June 21, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

    I kind of have a hard time labeling this guy an “obot”. :p

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    Thomas Brown June 21, 2012 at 5:01 pm #

    So you’re saying there’s no ‘grading on a curve’ for making stuff up in support of an otherwise-proven fact, vs. making stuff up to support a totally bogus conspiracy theory?

    I have to say I reluctantly agree. Look at the trouble people have gotten into with exaggerated statements about global warming… it just serves to discredit the unexaggerated science.

    The thing is, it vexes and rankles that our side has to “play fair” while the other side shamelessly cheats and lies. On the other hand, if it’s wrong, it’s wrong for all: the categorical imperative.

    But small consolation when the straight-shooter loses.

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    JPotter June 21, 2012 at 5:25 pm #

    Larry Ellison, lefty billionaire, is buying the island of Lanai. He plans to build cybernetic superfortress over the spot on which Gov. Abercombie buried … something.

    ( 😉 )

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    Loren June 21, 2012 at 6:07 pm #

    Being cautious against bad information is especially important when you’re playing the role of skeptic against someone with a conspiracist or denialist mindset. They will readily gloss over their own long history of MULTIPLE falsities, but will never forget a mistake made by the other side.

    For instance, radio host Peter Boyles has spent the last week heavily promoting the ‘fact’ that Ann Dunham posed nude for Frank Marshall Davis. He’s not even talking about it as an unproven theory; he’s treating it as settled fact. When it’s eventually shown that the woman isn’t her, is he going to throw his hands up in defeat? Nope. Meanwhile, he still continues to regularly trot out a single mistake Bill O’Reilly made two years ago about Obama’s SSN, which was a bad factchecking error. But Boyles treats it as emblematic of all Birther opposition.

    Or observe the Cold Case Posse’s continued attention to the hypothesis that OCR was responsible for the layers in the long-form. That was just an initial guess, which was quickly proven wrong and was dismissed within a week or so. But Birthers continue to act like it’s a major tentpole of the long form’s defense.

    And those two examples are just of innocent *mistakes*. The example Doc gives is even worse, with someone flat-out making up a claim.

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    justlw June 21, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    The difference, of course, is, if you throw out this piece of junk data you’re left with an overwhelming amount of real data bolstering the claim that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    If you throw out the birther junk data you’re left with crickets and tumbleweeds.

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    Stanislaw June 21, 2012 at 7:40 pm #

    Thomas Brown:

    The thing is, it vexes and rankles that our side has to “play fair” while the other side shamelessly cheats and lies.

    Look on the bright side: the side that’s playing fair is winning. And no, we’re not winning by some razor-thin margin, we’re winning by a damn landslide. We are so far ahead of the birthers that when they finally had the chance to come court and have their evidence heard on the merits they lost to an empty chair. Literally. The attorney for the other side didn’t even show up and the morons still lost!

    With apologies to Cracked, the likelihood of success for birthers is similar to the likelihood of success for a snowball facing off against a dual chainsaw-wielding Mike Tyson in Hell. The only difference is that the snow has the common sense to melt first.

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    Keith June 21, 2012 at 7:51 pm #

    Stanislaw: With apologies to Cracked, the likelihood of success for birthers is similar to the likelihood of success for a snowball facing off against a dual chainsaw-wielding Mike Tyson in Hell. The only difference is that the snow has the common sense to melt first.

    Not sure about that. You sure Iron Mike would know which end of the chainsaw was the business end?

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    realist June 21, 2012 at 7:54 pm #

    Or could it be sarcasm or snark? Which is dangerous as birthers have no snark meter.

    And what’s the indication the writer was an “obot”? Just curious.

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    Stanislaw June 21, 2012 at 8:08 pm #

    Keith: Not sure about that. You sure Iron Mike would know which end of the chainsaw was the business end?

    Seeing as how the birthers would be the metaphorical snowball in this example…I don’t think it really makes a difference.

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    SluggoJD June 21, 2012 at 9:29 pm #

    Just because someone posted that comment doesn’t mean they support Obama.

    Clearly the lie could have been intentional.

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    jayHG June 21, 2012 at 10:06 pm #

    SluggoJD:
    Just because someone posted that comment doesn’t mean they support Obama.

    Clearly the lie could have been intentional.

    Exactly. I might see some serious devotion to our guy, but this, to me, has birfer plant written all over it. Its too blatant.

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    G June 21, 2012 at 10:12 pm #

    Agreed.

    The most important thing to keep in mind here is to NOT fall into the silly trap of supporting false equivalencies.

    That truly is one of my pet peeves – when one side has an overwhelmingly aggregious history of falsehoods and bad behavior and they someone think they can justify and condone it merely because they can point to a few minor instances and bad apples on the other side….

    NO, none of that behavior is right and there is ZERO justification for tolerating it. Just as there is ZERO reason for letting such blatant false equivalencies become a rationalization for justification…

    There simply is nothing close to a “both sides do it” in terms of what is going on out there.

    On one side, you have nonsense that has become common-place and given a lot of quiet support and dog-whistle support (or more)…and on the other side, you only have a minute fraction of bad behavior examples – which are often overwhelmingly condemned as soon as they are detected.

    justlw:
    The difference, of course, is, if you throw out this piece of junk data you’re left with an overwhelming amount of real data bolstering the claim that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    If you throw out the birther junk data you’re left with crickets and tumbleweeds.

  14. avatar
    john June 21, 2012 at 10:24 pm #

    I got this in my email – http://www.examiner.com/article/if-obama-is-ruled-ineligible-what-happens

    I thought it was interesting on what would happen if Obama were to be found ineligible. In a theorectical sense, everything Obama has done in the last 4 years would be void and voidable. However, the De Facto Officer Doctine would protect most of what Obama had done to keep the country from completely becoming unraveled. The article shares about what would potentially be void or voidable in a theorectical sense. It’s quite stunning. Here it is:
    ***
    If Obama never was president, therein lies the rub. The 20th Amendment assumes that a president who fails to qualify is prevented from serving before being sworn in. But Obama has served almost a full term, all the while being “unqualified.”

    So, what is the status of people he nominated for positions in his Cabinet and administration—essentially most of the Executive Branch? The same question applies to Supreme Court justices Sotomayor and Kagan and any ambassadors appointed by Obama. According to the Constitution, the president must nominate prospective office holders and the Senate either confirms them or not. But if Obama was never president, there were no legal nominations. That means temporary paralysis of the Executive Branch until Biden can re-nominate them, and that’s a threat to national security.

    The CIA, FBI, NSA, Homeland Security and the Department of Defense would be leaderless because the secretaries and directors of each were all nominated by Obama and approved by the Senate.

    All military orders Obama has given would need to be rescinded or reaffirmed by Biden. That would affect our entire military.

    Next, all of the legislation Obama signed into law is null and void. If he’s ineligible, every bill, every executive order and any presidential paper he signed or issued might just as well be ground up and turned into confetti, including Obamacare, Dodd Frank, the Stimulus, and on and on, because he didn’t have the authority to sign them in the first place.

    All orders Obama has issued to the EPA, HHS, the Justice Department and every other cabinet-level department or agency is no longer in effect. Everything added to regulations since January 2009 would need to be reviewed and many ripped from the three-ring binders that hold them.

    With the bailout money given to the auto industry, which has since been spent, taxpayer ownership was quasi-collateral. But any contracts Obama signed so specifying would no longer be legal because he hadn’t the authority to sign the contracts in the first place.

    All investments made in energy concerns by the Energy Department would have to be returned.

    And what happens with the debt ceiling? The bills to raise it were signed by Obama, meaning they are all void. We have $16 trillion in debt now. Does the money authorized by Congress and signed into law by Obama mean we’d have to pay down the debt he’s incurred to pre-2009 levels? It would be impossible to do.

    Student loan programs would have to be returned to the control of the states, which would be woefully unprepared to administrate them.

    All treaties Obama signed and the Senate confirmed are unenforceable.

    If Obama was not legally president and he ordered the drone attacks on terrorists in Pakistan and Yemen, could he be charged with murder by those countries for ordering the deaths of numerous suspected terrorists without legal authority?
    ****

    I would also add that every federal court decision would rendered null and void for federal judges who were nominated by Obama.

  15. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 21, 2012 at 10:37 pm #

    Why would anyone look to a birther for an analysis of anything legal?

    john: I thought it was interesting on what would happen if Obama were to be found ineligible. In a theorectical (sic)sense, everything Obama has done in the last 4 years would be void and voidable. However, the De Facto Officer Doctine (sic) would protect most of what Obama had done to keep the country from completely becoming unraveled. The article shares about what would potentially be void or voidable in a theorectical (sic) sense. It’s quite stunning. Here it is:

  16. avatar
    Paul June 21, 2012 at 10:41 pm #

    “Obots make stuff up too”

    Nuh UH!

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    Stanislaw June 21, 2012 at 10:49 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    Why would anyone look to a birther for an analysis of anything legal?

    In his defense, at least he got the De Facto Officer Doctrine somewhat correct. Everything else is just typical birther boilerplate bullcrap. His level of sheer stupidity is astounding. Most of what he said is so woefully incorrect that it threatens to break the internet itself.

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    G June 21, 2012 at 10:53 pm #

    You and your source are WRONG, sorry. The only thing you mentioned that is real is the De Factor Officer Doctrine.

    There is NO “magic reset button”. NO “nullification” of past administration appointments or actions. NOPE.

    Doesn’t work that way.

    But hey, keep living in fantasy land…

    john: I thought it was interesting on what would happen if Obama were to be found ineligible. In a theorectical sense, everything Obama has done in the last 4 years would be void and voidable

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    john June 21, 2012 at 10:57 pm #

    The article simply shows that if one would actually consider making the premise that everything Obama has done in the last 4 years is null and void; the ramifications of such would completely unravel our government as we know it. It would be massive chaos of monumental proportions. Such a ramification would never actually occur and the article is simple speaking in a hypothetical sense, but it is quite stunning to see what would happen if Obama was removed from time and everything he has done in the last for years erased. In reality, if Obama were to be found ineligible the De Facto Officer would protect most of Obama’s actions. However, I can almost gaunratee that thousands and thousands of lawsuits would occur that would challenge Obama’s actions under this doctrine.

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    Stanislaw June 21, 2012 at 10:59 pm #

    G:

    But hey, keep living in fantasy land…

    Ironically enough, the birther cut and pasted his entire screed word-for-word from his link to the comically-named Examiner. If the author of that article thinks any of the garbage that he wrote is true, he may want to start by examining his head.

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    donna June 21, 2012 at 11:14 pm #

    “I thought it was interesting on what would happen if Obama were to be found ineligible. In a theorectical sense, everything Obama has done in the last 4 years would be void and voidable. ”

    so seal team six will be charged with murder and bin laden would rise from the dead?

    if i smoked, i would ask for some of what you’re smoking

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    Thomas Brown June 21, 2012 at 11:22 pm #

    G:
    You and your source are WRONG, sorry…

    But hey, keep living in fantasy land…

    Remember, we are talking about “john” after all… a fellow so gullible he will swallow and regurgitate any nugget of rhetorical fecal matter he scoops up from the toilet bowl called WND, or dropped on the sidewalk by Tin God “Beelzebub” Arpaio. Any preposterous, unattributed or baldly spurious anecdotal smear, third-hand hearsay, goofy theory… hey: perfectly believable and worth repeating to a homo sapiens impersonator like “john,” as long as it denigrates our President and damages America.

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    Stanislaw June 21, 2012 at 11:24 pm #

    donna:

    so seal team six will be charged with murder and bin laden would rise from the dead?

    This actually makes more sense than what we’ve been hearing from the birthers.

  24. avatar
    john June 21, 2012 at 11:38 pm #

    Yes, in theory Seal Team 6 could be charged with murder since the military operation sanctioned by Obama would be unlawful. However, Bin Laden was a wanted terrorist so I don’t think you charge them with murder even if the military action was unlawful.

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    Whatever4 June 21, 2012 at 11:49 pm #

    John, what happens if a president completely ignores a bill sent to him? It becomes law after 10 days. Vetoes are the only thing a president actually has to make an affirmative action to do.

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    Dave June 21, 2012 at 11:52 pm #

    I have to disagree, for two reasons.

    First of all, a recent studiy showed that Obots make things up 97% less than birthers do.

    And second, no true Obot ever makes things up.

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    misha June 22, 2012 at 12:00 am #

    john: I thought it was interesting on what would happen if Obama were to be found ineligible. In a theorectical sense, everything Obama has done in the last 4 years would be void and voidable.

    I hope it keeps you up at night. Also, you are drinking waaay too much coffee, or maybe it’s the hallucinogens.

    Get help.

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    US Citizen June 22, 2012 at 12:45 am #

    John, even if that were true, all Biden would have to do is make one executive order stating there are no changes to any appointments and decisions Obama made.
    He’d simply take the wheel and steer the same course.
    But perhaps the thought of Biden seems a bit better to you for some intangible reason?

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    justlw June 22, 2012 at 12:55 am #

    US Citizen: all Biden would have to do

    Isn’t there something like the “you can’t wish for three more wishes” clause? I’m sure I saw that in the Constitution right next to the “can’t have a Connecticut SSN” clause.

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    linda June 22, 2012 at 1:23 am #

    Next time just hit the delete button.

    john: I got this in my email – http://www.examiner.com/article/if-obama-is-ruled-ineligible-what-happens

  31. avatar
    Lupin June 22, 2012 at 3:49 am #

    As I said, if you think of “john” as an unkempt, raving man peddling greasy leaflets in subway stations, it all makes sense.

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    The Magic M June 22, 2012 at 4:27 am #

    john: All military orders Obama has given would need to be rescinded or reaffirmed by Biden. That would affect our entire military.

    Somehow many birther theories boil down to “forceful removal of a legally elected government”, “secession of states from the union” or “rendering the military inoperable”. I wonder why that is. Doesn’t sound like a patriotic viewpoint to me.

  33. avatar
    JPotter June 22, 2012 at 5:01 am #

    john: I got this in my email

    And very entertaining it was! But mostly rehash. Except the bit about three-ring binders. Nice touch, examiner.com!

  34. avatar
    ellen June 22, 2012 at 5:06 am #

    It seems that Cody Robert Judy lost his appeal in Georgia. All seven of the justices turned down the case. He is fulminating that they are all traitors who have sold out to the Democrats and foreign interests.

    I did not spot whether he plans to appeal to the Federal court system.

    Here’s his comments on his loss: http://codyjudy.blogspot.com/2012/06/breaking-news-on-georgia-supreme-court.html

    And here’s the order: http://www.gasupreme.us/docket_search/results_one_record.php?caseNumber=S12D1584

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    Northland10 June 22, 2012 at 5:40 am #

    ellen: It seems that Cody Robert Judy lost his appeal in Georgia. All seven of the justices turned down the case. He is fulminating that they are all traitors who have sold out to the Democrats and foreign interests.

    And he was saying that the Court was going to make a historical ruling on July 1 (yes, that’s a Sunday). Apparently, he was wrong. I’m shocked.

  36. avatar
    Lupin June 22, 2012 at 6:23 am #

    From Cody Robert Judy:

    “The smaller band then takes that strong-hold and is able to maintain it and fight the return of the Party lured out as they see the castle so-to-speak has been taken, while they left it vulnerable, while of course they are now heeled from behind by the force they had strung themselves out to pursue.”

    Is it me or this is utter gobbledygook?

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    Northland10 June 22, 2012 at 6:29 am #

    US Citizen:
    John, even if that were true, all Biden would have to do is make one executive order stating there are no changes to any appointments and decisions Obama made.
    He’d simply take the wheel and steer the same course.
    But perhaps the thought of Biden seems a bit better to you for some intangible reason?

    In addition, Biden would open the top draw of his new desk and see an Executive Order prepared by Obama for Biden with the note, “if I am declared ineligible or impeached, please sign this order for the ObamaCare Private Army to go pick up John and the other Birthers (suggest ear plugs for the Orange County Unit), and deliver them to FEMA Camp 23.”

    With a grin a mile wide, Biden joyfully scrawls his signature on his first EO and adds the signing statement, “This is a big effing deal!!!”

  38. avatar
    Majority Will June 22, 2012 at 6:32 am #

    Lupin:
    From Cody Robert Judy:

    “The smaller band then takes that strong-hold and is able to maintain it and fight the return of the Party lured out as they see the castle so-to-speak has been taken, while they left it vulnerable, while of course they are now heeled from behind by the force they had strung themselves out to pursue.”

    Is it me or this is utter gobbledygook?

    It’s Romney’s platform.

    “‘In America, we have a song – ding, dong, llama-wanee, jumping with an ice pick, she thinks I’m going in.’

    More:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e9L9A1IMTQo

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    Majority Will June 22, 2012 at 6:36 am #

    Lupin:
    As I said, if you think of “john” as an unkempt, raving man peddling greasy leaflets in subway stations, it all makes sense.

    Or a well-dressed billionaire.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activities_of_the_Koch_family

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    misha June 22, 2012 at 7:25 am #

    john: I thought it was interesting on what would happen if Obama were to be found ineligible.

    I read your comment to Angel, my Afghan, and Max, my Siamese. They both feel you should get help.

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    misha June 22, 2012 at 7:31 am #

    justlw: I’m sure I saw that in the Constitution right next to the “can’t have a Connecticut SSN” clause.

    I read the US Constitution, and I saw a clause, “Dogs are to ride inside.”

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    Lupin June 22, 2012 at 7:32 am #

    Majority Will: Lupin:
    As I said, if you think of “john” as an unkempt, raving man peddling greasy leaflets in subway stations, it all makes sense.

    Or a well-dressed billionaire.

    But old Mr Moneybags wouldn’t be ranting here, would he?

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    Stanislaw June 22, 2012 at 7:59 am #

    Majority Will: Or a well-dressed billionaire.

    How ’bout a moron?

  44. avatar
    Thomas Brown June 22, 2012 at 8:07 am #

    Lupin:
    As I said, if you think of “john” as an unkempt, raving man peddling greasy leaflets in subway stations, it all makes sense.

    What… did he get a promotion?

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    Majority Will June 22, 2012 at 8:12 am #

    Lupin: But old Mr Moneybags wouldn’t be ranting here, would he?

    Per procura.

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    Keith June 22, 2012 at 8:54 am #

    JPotter: And very entertaining it was! But mostly rehash. Except the bit about three-ring binders. Nice touch, examiner.com!

    Odd you should bring up 3 ring binders. I went to one of the big stationary chain stores in Melbourne the other day looking for 3 ring binders. They were almost impossible to find. One wall of the store had a 30 foot long (at least) floor to very high ceiling display of 2-ring binders – hundreds and hundreds of ’em, probably a thousand. There was maybe a 3 foot long display of 4 ring binders that only went up 6 feet. There was maybe 20 3 ring binders total.

    Everybody I talk to hates 2 ring binders, can’t stand ’em, figure they are worthless in the extreme. I say if that is so, why the fornicating Jerusalem garbage dump do they buy the darned things and encourage the buyers at the stupid store? It is totally insane.

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    Keith June 22, 2012 at 9:17 am #

    Scientist: Middle age guys mooning over their old college girl friends are not a pretty sight.

    Tru Dat. Mine is now a Judge (unlikely to hear a birther case, but I guess you never know). And never, as far as I know, married. And active on ‘gender equality’ advisory boards. Um…

    I’m not trying to dray implications there or anything; not that there is any thing wrong with whatever implication might be drawn. I haven’t spoken to her since the day we broke up. She has had a reasonably distinguished career.

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    Majority Will June 22, 2012 at 9:31 am #

    Keith: Tru Dat. Mine is now a Judge (unlikely to hear a birther case, but I guess you never know). And never, as far as I know, married. And active on ‘gender equality’ advisory boards. Um…

    I’m not trying to dray implications there or anything; not that there is any thing wrong with whatever implication might be drawn. I haven’t spoken to her since the day we broke up. She has had a reasonably distinguished career.

    She might have joined the “Lillies” (later in life lesbians).

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    Thrifty June 22, 2012 at 10:11 am #

    John’s post seems to be “the De Facto Officer Doctrine would make certain things that Obama did totally unaffected, but it wouldn’t count for everything he ever did and all that would be undone”.

    Stanislaw: In his defense, at least he got the De Facto Officer Doctrine somewhat correct. Everything else is just typical birther boilerplate bullcrap. His level of sheer stupidity is astounding. Most of what he said is so woefully incorrect that it threatens to break the internet itself.

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    gorefan June 22, 2012 at 10:22 am #

    ellen: It seems that Cody Robert Judy lost his appeal in Georgia

    Just a few days ago he promised the Supreme Court in Georgia was going to make a historic decision on July 1st.

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    The Magic M June 22, 2012 at 11:16 am #

    gorefan: Just a few days ago he promised the Supreme Court in Georgia was going to make a historic decision on July 1st.

    Maybe the historic decision is “barring birthers from filing any more cases in Georgia, ever”. 😉

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    Mitch June 22, 2012 at 3:44 pm #

    I would hope that when ANY disinformation is published, those who know the truth will let others know. Bad info just slows down discussion of the facts.

  53. avatar
    Majority Will June 22, 2012 at 4:20 pm #

    “You guys are becoming the laughing stocks of the blogosphere.”

    Translation: “I read your posts to my cat.”

  54. avatar
    Bob June 22, 2012 at 4:26 pm #

    John,

    1. Obama is eligible.

    2. Your paranoia is boring.

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    bgansel9 June 22, 2012 at 6:06 pm #

    G: FIFY

    You sure did. Thanks. 😛

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    Majority Will June 22, 2012 at 6:48 pm #

    Scientist: I can see why she dumped you for Barack….He is much better looking, smarter, and was clearly destined for success, unlike you.

    Ouch.

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    bgansel9 June 22, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

    I’d seen the name of Cody Robert Judy before, but, honestly I had never read up on him. I Googled the term “Cody Robert Judy”, and added “presidential candidate” in the search. I got 8 results. I’ve never searched something that has gotten only 8 results before, ever!

    This guy apparently didn’t do much to run for president.

    Recently, I listed the names of all of the 2012 Democratic presidential candidates (there are quite a few) and Cody Robert Judy wasn’t one of them. Is he seriously a candidate in any actual sense of running a campaign of any sort?

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    G June 22, 2012 at 7:25 pm #

    Cody Robert Judy is a former domestic terrorist, convicted felon and mental wackjob. He’s also been a long-time Birther and fairly active in the Birther movement – even attending that nutty Pastor Manning’s kooky fake trial of Obama a few years back.

    If you want a good primer of Cody Robert Judy – take a look at this 1993 article on his sentencing. It really tells you all you need to know about this damaged and unstable nut:

    Cody Robert Judy pleaded guilty Wednesday in 4th District Court to threatening an LDS Church leader with a fake bomb at a fireside in February at Brigham Young University.

    In a plea agreement with Utah County prosecutors, Judy, 27, entered guilty pleas to one count of aggravated burglary, a first-degree felony; one count of assault, a third-degree felony; and one count of escape, a class B misdemeanor. Prosecutors dismissed one count of aggravated kidnapping and two counts of assault. Judy admitted Wednesday that he threatened Howard W. Hunter, president of the Council of the Twelve of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, with a fake bomb Feb. 7 at a fireside at BYU’s Marriott Center. He admitted walking on the stage and telling everyone he would detonate the bomb if they did not leave. Shortly after taking the stage, Judy was tackled by members of the audience and a couple of security guards.

    Judy also admitted Wednesday to jumping from a third-story window at the Utah State Hospital on March 23 and eluding officers for three days before turning himself in at a Salt Lake television station.

    Judge Guy R. Burningham will sentence Judy on June 30. He could receive a term of five years to life on the aggravated burglary charge, but his attorneys filed a motion asking that he be sentenced for a second-degree felony, which carries a possible term of one to 15 years in prison. Judy remains in the Utah County Jail without bail while awaiting sentencing.

    Following his arrest in February, Judy claimed God wants him to be the next prophet of the LDS Church. He said he received visions from God that predicted mass destruction, reinstitution of plural marriage and changes in the “Word of Wisdom,” a health code followed by Mormons. He also claims God ordered him to plead guilty and that God will deliver him from jail.

    Last month, 4th District Judge Boyd L. Park ruled that Judy is mentally competent to stand trial after three doctors testified that the self-proclaimed prophet suffers from delusional disorder but still has a “rational” and “factual” understanding of the charges against him.

    Judy’s attorneys say they still believe their client is incompetent and that the state’s mental health system does not adequately address his problems. They don’t believe Judy will get the care he needs if he is sent to prison.

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/293492/JUDY-PLEADS-GUILTY-TO-BOMB-THREAT.html?pg=all

    Yeah, that pretty much says it all…

    bgansel9:
    I’d seen the name of Cody Robert Judy before, but, honestly I had never read up on him. I Googledthe term “Cody Robert Judy”, and added “presidential candidate” in the search. I got 8 results. I’ve never searched something that has gotten only 8 results before, ever!

    This guy apparently didn’t do much to run for president.

    Recently, I listed the names of all of the 2012 Democratic presidential candidates (there are quite a few) and Cody Robert Judy wasn’t one of them. Is he seriously a candidate in any actual sense of running a campaign of any sort?

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    Majority Will June 22, 2012 at 7:36 pm #

    G: Cody Robert Judy is a former domestic terrorist, convicted felon and mental wackjob.

    A birther bigot role model.

  60. avatar
    bgansel9 June 22, 2012 at 7:41 pm #

    G: Judy’s attorneys say they still believe their client is incompetent

    Wow!

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    G June 22, 2012 at 8:37 pm #

    There seems to be quite a high proportion of those with criminal records and also those with mental illness amongst the Birtheristani…

    …Not that we should be surprised by that at all…

    Majority Will: A birther bigot role model.

  62. avatar
    bob j June 22, 2012 at 10:19 pm #

    john:
    The article simply shows that if one would actually consider making the premise that everything Obama has done in the last 4 years is null and void; the ramifications of such would completely unravel our government as we know it.It would be massive chaos of monumental proportions.Such a ramification would never actually occur and the article is simple speaking in a hypothetical sense, but it is quite stunning to see what would happen if Obama was removed from time and everything he has done in the last for years erased.In reality, if Obama were to be found ineligible the De Facto Officer would protect most of Obama’s actions.However, I can almost gaunratee that thousands and thousands of lawsuits would occur that would challenge Obama’s actions under this doctrine.

    john; The Office of the President is not the same as the arena of sport. At the 2000 Sydney Games, Marion Jones won 5 Olympic medals. She cheated, and so those medals were taken from her in October 2007. Rules are in place for such a thing. Athletics exist in a historical vacum. History does not.

    Barack Hussein Obama II is the 44th President of the United States of America. Nothing will ever change that. Ever. Even if it is discovered that he was born in Singapore, Kenya to a porn star mother and Malcolm X. Even if he is a muslim/communist/usurping/ Soros backed stooge.He will always be the 44. There is no 2nd place for leader of the free world. Just remember john: ” if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, then everyday would be Christmas.”

    A Jeopardy moment that will never change:

    A: Barack Hussein Obama II

    Q: Who is ( was) the 44th President of the United States?

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    Benji Franklin June 23, 2012 at 1:54 am #

    bgansel9: Recently, I listed the names of all of the 2012 Democratic presidential candidates (there are quite a few) and Cody Robert Judy wasn’t one of them. Is he seriously a candidate in any actual sense of running a campaign of any sort?

    I think we have to concede that he’s not merely seeking notoriety.

    ”Cody” is a nickname derived long ago from the Gaelic/Irish surname “O’Cuidighthigh”. Likewise “Robert” is a shortened derivation of the Germanic name Hrodebert , and finally, “Judy” is a nickname for “Judith”.

    Surely when “O’Cuidighthigh Hrodebert Judith” wants to argue in front of SCOTUS as “Cody Robert Judy”, we can assume he’s not just out to make a name for himself.

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    donna June 23, 2012 at 9:59 am #

    apparently, there are “38 instances in which the biographer convincingly disputes significant elements of Obama’s own story of his life and his family history.”

    Maraniss opens with a warning: Among the falsehoods in Dreams is the caveat in the preface that “for the sake of compression, some of the characters that appear are composites of people I’ve known, and some events appear out of precise chronology.”

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/the-real-story-of-barack-obama

    New Book Raises Questions About Obama’s Memoir

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/19/new-book-raises-questions-about-obamas-memoir/

    obama haters are now scouring the pages to “inform” their flock about how the new book deviates from obama’s and their own “evidence” of obama’s background

    expect new adjectives to describe obama, his family and his background

    i guess we can say that, since obama haters think bill ayers wrote the book, bill ayers lied and/or took “poetic license” in writing obama’s book

    one issue that drew my attention was “domestic violence ”

    “His father Hussein Onyango, was a man who hit women, and it turned out that Obama was no different,” Maraniss writes. “I thought he would kill me,” one ex-wife tells him; he also gave her sexually-transmitted diseases from extramarital relationships.

    (barack sr. was required to pay an extra dowry for one wife “because he was a bad person.” buzzfeed)

    in the salon article (“Barack Obama wasn’t born in Kenya”), when asked about “efforts to get men to fight domestic violence, she (sarah) replied that women should be beaten if they’re disobedient to their husbands. In case you’re wondering, her dowry when she married Barack Obama’s grandfather was 12 cows.”

  65. avatar
    Tarrant June 23, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    I like how birthers love to crow (incorrectly) about how all those laws, appointments, etc. they hate will be rendered void and how giddy they are, but leave out a few things that would happen if their fantasy theories were correct…

    …the numerous tax cuts President Obama signed, including the extensions of the Bush cuts, would be rendered void and everyone would owe immense amounts of money – immediately – to the IRS.

    …members of the military who have been receiving their paychecks based on appropriations bills signed by the President must return every dollar they were paid over the past 4 years (along with all other federal employees).

    I can think of more but the birthers never seem to consider that the things they like don’t get grandfathered just because they like them.

  66. avatar
    bgansel9 June 23, 2012 at 10:31 am #

    Benji Franklin: Surely when “O’Cuidighthigh Hrodebert Judith” wants to argue in front of SCOTUS as “Cody Robert Judy”, we can assume he’s not just out to make a name for himself.

    While that was quite funny, it didn’t really answer my question.

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    JD Reed June 23, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    , I can almost guanratee that thousands and thousands of lawsuits would occur that would challenge Obama’s actions under this doctrine.

    Well, there wouldn’t be “thousands and thousands” of lawsuits filed, because the courts would dismiss the first few and establish a precedent that these are lawsuits wholly without merit, i.e., frivolous. With that in place, folks who would stubbornly continue to file such lawsuits would see their cases summarily dismissed– recall your hero, Orly’s, experience — and hit with significant sanctions. And those who still plowed on would find themsleves facing even heftier sanctions. The courts could also establish a rule that no such lawxsuit could be filed without leave of a court, and then refuse everyone permission to file.
    Your dream of throwing a monkey wrench into the gears of government is a fail, as usual, John. And not the highest of patrotism to wistfully hope for such chaos.

  68. avatar
    JD Reed June 23, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    , I can almost guanratee that thousands and thousands of lawsuits would occur that would challenge Obama’s actions under this doctrine.

    Well, there wouldn’t be “thousands and thousands” of lawsuits filed, because the courts would dismiss the first few and establish a precedent that these are lawsuits wholly without merit, i.e., frivolous. With that in place, folks who would stubbornly continue to file such lawsuits would see their cases summarily dismissed– recall your hero, Orly’s, experience — and hit with significant sanctions. And those who still plowed on would find themsleves facing even heftier sanctions. The courts could also establish a rule that no such lawsuit could be filed without leave of a court, and then refuse everyone permission to file.
    Your dream of throwing a monkey wrench into the gears of government is a fail, as usual, John. And not the highest of patrotism to wistfully hope for such chaos.

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    Northland10 June 23, 2012 at 12:36 pm #

    Rickey: He couldn’t get into a better college because of affirmative action. He couldn’t get a teaching job in California because of affirmative action. He lost his (alleged) girlfriend to a black man.

    And so, he demonstrates and obsessive hatred of an African-American that has been far more successful then he. I am not making this out to be a racial thing. In this instance, it is actually more a reflection anger toward what has happened. I see this as a projection in response to his own inability to accept responsibility for his own failure/loss, or at minimum, learn from it and move on.

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    G June 23, 2012 at 1:44 pm #

    I thought I did answer your question. Maybe you missed it. See 7:25pm yesterday.

    bgansel9: While that was quite funny, it didn’t really answer my question.

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    G June 23, 2012 at 1:51 pm #

    Yep. Pretty much.

    Although his particular type of projection goes further than that. From previous conversations, he’s admitted that he himself has always had extreme political views. He merely shifted from one excessive hyperventilating radical worldview of his youth to doing a complete 180 and becoming extreme on the other end.

    So, he also seems incapable of moderation in his own thoughts and beliefs and only able to grasp the world via a hysterical and hyperbolic POV.

    So he seems to project not just his failures but his histrionic fears upon everyone else, as that is all his limited brain can comprehend is out there… Completely an unbalanced individual through and through.

    Northland10: I see this as a projection in response to his own inability to accept responsibility for his own failure/loss, or at minimum, learn from it and move on.

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    Benji Franklin June 23, 2012 at 4:59 pm #

    bgansel9: Benji Franklin: Surely when “O’Cuidighthigh Hrodebert Judith” wants to argue in front of SCOTUS as “Cody Robert Judy”, we can assume he’s not just out to make a name for himself.

    While that was quite funny, it didn’t really answer my question.

    I assumed you would have gotten the main thrust of Judy from G’s 7:25 P.M. documented response. It’s telling that so many Birthers align themselves with individuals who are so obviously off the rails, especially since several Birther factions mutually exclusively have their own one-track Mine.

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    Majority Will June 23, 2012 at 9:01 pm #

    G: Cody Robert Judy pleaded guilty Wednesday in 4th District Court to threatening an LDS Church leader with a fake bomb at a fireside in February at Brigham Young University.

    I recall he tried to weasel out by claiming that what he was actually saying (and meant) was that he had a BOM, as in the Book Of Mormon. He has also trolled here before.

  74. avatar
    bgansel9 June 23, 2012 at 9:44 pm #

    Benji Franklin: I assumed you would have gotten the main thrust of Judy from G’s 7:25 P.M. documented response. It’s telling that so many Birthers align themselves with individuals who are so obviously off the rails, especially since several Birther factions mutually exclusively have their own one-track Mine.

    Thanks Benji, I did see G’s post. I am just curious, does ANYONE (other than Judy) consider him to be an actual candidate? Is he doing anything to run? What makes this guy think he can claim himself as a candidate is there is no actual campaign activity?

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    bgansel9 June 23, 2012 at 10:02 pm #

    Hey, G? According to that Deseret article, he’s a felon, correct?

    “Judge Guy R. Burningham will sentence Judy on June 30. He could receive a term of five years to life on the aggravated burglary charge, but his attorneys filed a motion asking that he be sentenced for a second-degree felony, which carries a possible term of one to 15 years in prison. Judy remains in the Utah County Jail without bail while awaiting sentencing.”

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    Keith June 23, 2012 at 10:11 pm #

    Northland10: And so, he demonstrates and obsessive hatred of an African-American that has been far more successful then he.I am not making this out to be a racial thing.In this instance, it is actually more a reflection anger toward what has happened.I see this as a projection in response to his own inability to accept responsibility for his own failure/loss, or at minimum, learn from it and move on.

    Sorta like the same kind of reasoning that Herr Schicklegruber used to arrive at his conclusions about his place in the world, ya mean?

  77. avatar
    Benji Franklin June 23, 2012 at 10:22 pm #

    bgansel9: I am just curious, does ANYONE (other than Judy) consider him to be an actual candidate? Is he doing anything to run? What makes this guy think he can claim himself as a candidate is there is no actual campaign activity?

    Well, bgansel9, I don’t think any nominally sane and and functionally literate persons think he’s a candidate for real. I guess we find such behavior jarring because we too often use the word “delusional” carelessly, applying it to people figuratively just because they are making illogical arguments for want of having a logical argument that can prevail.

    I think Judy can comfortably claim ANYTHING no matter how far removed from reality the claim may be because he really is delusional. He’s not engaging in double-talk or equivocating in his use of language. He’s nuts.

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    G June 24, 2012 at 3:00 am #

    Correct. He was convicted on several counts (per that article) and served his sentence for those crimes.

    bgansel9: Hey, G? According to that Deseret article, he’s a felon, correct?

    He *is* an actual “candidate”, according to the nominal requirements by the FEC to do so.

    Hundreds file to run for President every cycle. Most of them don’t do squat beyond file and maybe try to get on their own state ballot. Many of them are crazy people, like Cody Robert Judy. A few are serious and actually attempt to campaign (I did a lot of coverage of those folks late last year and early this year) and a few do it as performance art.

    Here is a link to Cody Robert Judy’s FEC filing:

    http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?P20003372

    http://images.nictusa.com/pdf/640/11030660640/11030660640.pdf#navpanes=0

    Here is the complete list of those that filed with the FEC to run for President in this election cycle:

    http://www.fec.gov/press/press2011/presidential_form2nm.shtml

    Cody Robert Judy *does* have an “official campaign site”. His campaign amounts to not much more than giving himself a platform to promote his Birtherism… no surprise there…

    http://www.codyjudy.us/

    bgansel9: Thanks Benji, I did see G’s post. I am just curious, does ANYONE (other than Judy) consider him to be an actual candidate? Is he doing anything to run? What makes this guy think he can claim himself as a candidate is there is no actual campaign activity?

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    bovril June 24, 2012 at 8:36 am #

    Oh, and to finalize, I believe best summed up and based on the random insane mutterings of another entiitled failure in the Birferstani….”Here endeth the lesson”

    (Grand Galactic Sooper Admiral Walter Fitzpatrick aka The Faltering Halfwitz)

  80. avatar
    bovril June 24, 2012 at 3:38 pm #

    I live to serve… (and poke Birfoons with the sharp jagged pointy stick of truth)

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    Keith June 24, 2012 at 5:38 pm #

    Benji Franklin: Brownian Motion also describes their botched attempt to pull off the “big lie” on a scale sufficient to move Obama’s always-impending toad-marching trip from the Oval Office to a Birther Rally’s gallows, closer to the present.

    FIFY

    I know where I can get a couple hundred million cane toads that need to be removed from the environment. Just say the word and I’ll start the wheels in motion.

  82. avatar
    Thomas Brown June 25, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

    Twenty years ago, a good friend of mine made a cello for Yo Yo Ma. I was in the shop when Ma came in to try it out.

    Now I know everything about Chinese people.

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    bovril June 25, 2012 at 12:47 pm #

    Once upon a time I used to be in front office management in the 5* hotel industry.

    On one occassion I was the duty manager and had to inform Messrs Axel Rose and Slash that we would be happy to accommodate their dancing on the tables in the privacy of their rooms and NOT in the main bar. Actually they were very polite and they did apologize and insisted I had a JD with them.

    On another occassion I accidently bowled over the “Artist formerly know as Prince” as he entered the hotel through the staff entrance to avoid fans.

    Based on that and according to Birfoon logic I must be a hard rocking, drug taking, tattooed mofo just over 5 foot tall with a penchant for silkies in purple and lilac……..

  84. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 25, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

    I have deleted all of John Drew’s comments posted to this article and all replies to him, and permanently banned him from the site.

    Everything he has to say is off-topic, and whenever he comes, the discussion turns to the topic of John Drew. The only thing of interest to this site is that John Drew calls the fellow at Occidental College “Obama” and not “Soetoro.” That’s all he has of use here.

  85. avatar
    Thomas Brown June 25, 2012 at 8:29 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy:
    I have deleted all of John Drew’s comments posted to this article and all replies to him, and permanently banned him from the site.

    Everything he has to say is off-topic, and whenever he comes, the discussion turns to the topic of John Drew. The only thing of interest to this site is that John Drew calls the fellow at Occidental College “Obama” and not “Soetoro.” That’s all he has of use here.

    Almost a pity; Drew was to this site what Andy Kaufmann was to Professional Wrestling.

  86. avatar
    G June 25, 2012 at 8:39 pm #

    I disagree. Andy Kaufmann at least had talent. Drew is just a complete waste of time. A broken record self-pity party without purpose.

    Thomas Brown: Almost a pity; Drew was to this site what Andy Kaufmann was to Professional Wrestling.

  87. avatar
    richCares June 25, 2012 at 10:03 pm #

    Thanks Doc, the guy was a lyimg sack of shinola

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    Keith June 26, 2012 at 12:12 am #

    bovril: Based on that and according to Birfoon logic I must be a hard rocking, drug taking, tattooed mofo just over 5 foot tall with a penchant for silkies in purple and lilac……..

    Yeah, well, if the slipper fits…

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    bovril June 26, 2012 at 8:06 am #

    Ah, when the “Artist now known as sqiggley sign” was launched about 3 feet though the air, one of the root causes where the ridiculously high heeled boots he was wearing leading to inherent instability in the bipedal form and acting as a fulcrum and lever.

    I have to say the funniest part was that it wouldn’t have happened if not for the two, man mountain szed bodyguards on his sides who acted as a funnel driving me into their principal as I ran round the corner…..Ah happy days…. 😎