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Same old doctor

Despite some serious sleepiness, I toughed it out until midnight last night when the Kindle version of Barack Obama: The Story was published. Reports were that the author, David Maraniss, was going to disclose information about a doctor who remembered the Obama birth.

It turns out that the doctor was Dr. Rodney T. West, a physician and hospital administrator in Hawaii, about whom I have written several articles. Maraniss recounts a conversation between Barbara Czurles (later Nelson) and Dr. West where West said that the unusual thing that happened that week was “Stanley had a baby” (obviously referring to the President’s mother Stanley Ann Dunham).

Someone looking for an FBI investigation saturating Honolulu in 1961 will not find it in this book, but it is fairly detailed and sources are footnoted.

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50 Responses to Same old doctor

  1. avatar
    ellen June 19, 2012 at 10:35 am #

    I believe that Barbara Nelson told the same story in an interview with the Buffalo News.

    http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece

    Is this merely the same story, or does he give additional details and confirmation?

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    john June 19, 2012 at 10:53 am #

    It’s just a story. It has the same credibility as the Marine who reported that he met a black man (He was sure it was Obama, it was 30 years ago.) who told him was born in Kenya had grown up in Indonesia and wanted to be POTUS someday. He is the account:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx0XcTmYtSE
    arine: 1980 In Hi. Obama Told Me He Was Born In Kenya And Wanted To Be President.

  3. avatar
    Rickey June 19, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    john:
    It’s just a story.

    That’s funny, coming from you.

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    john June 19, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    There was another story by a man who called into the Peter Boyles Show one day. He stated that he had met Stanley Ann Dunham in Hawaii and was told by her she had a son who was born in Africa. The man did note that he not could swear to it but was pretty sure that Dunham had told him that.

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    Dr. Conspiracy June 19, 2012 at 11:11 am #

    That’s a good point, and one reason I have never made a big deal about this item, nor considered it primary evidence.

    However, the Nelson story has some things going for it. For example, it happened at a particular place, the Outrigger Canoe Club, and I was able to find out from a completely independent source that Dr. West was a member of that club. Certainly West didn’t make up the story in 1961, so the question of credibility rests on Barbara Nelson. The story is certainly plausible.

    john: It’s just a story. It has the same credibility as the Marine who reported that he met a black man (He was sure it was Obama, it was 30 years ago.) who told him was born in Kenya had grown up in Indonesia and wanted to be POTUS someday. He is the account:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx0XcTmYtSE
    arine: 1980 In Hi. Obama Told Me He Was Born In Kenya And Wanted To Be President.

  6. avatar
    Jim June 19, 2012 at 11:12 am #

    john:
    It’s just a story.It has the same credibility as the Marine who reported that he met a black man (He was sure it was Obama, it was 30 years ago.) who told him was born in Kenya had grown up in Indonesia and wanted to be POTUS someday.He is the account:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx0XcTmYtSE
    arine: 1980 In Hi. Obama Told Me He Was Born In Kenya And Wanted To Be President.

    Except for a few small facts to back up the story…Hawaii having recorded his birth, newspaper articles reporting his birth, etc, etc, etc. Now, what does the Marine have to back up his story?

  7. avatar
    bgansel9 June 19, 2012 at 11:24 am #

    Jim: Now, what does the Marine have to back up his story?

    And if so, HOW does the Marine back up his story?

  8. avatar
    john June 19, 2012 at 11:28 am #

    Yes, Hawaii having recorded his birth but Obama was not actually born there. His parents or grandparents lied to get him US Citizenship. As for the Birth Announcements, Sheriff Joe’s team has already stated that birth announcement are simply not credible pieces of evidence to rely on. We also have the account from Mailman Al who was introduced to Obama by the Ayers family as a “foreign” student. Mailman Al also reported that actually met Obama who told him – “I’m going to be president someday.” This definitely coorborates the Marina’s account in which the black man he had met also told him – “I want to be President someday.”

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    john June 19, 2012 at 11:30 am #

    Barbara Nelson’s account is hearsay information – based on upon what Dr. West had told her. The Marine and Mailman Al is based upon firsthand testimony from Obama himself – highly credible.

  10. avatar
    richCares June 19, 2012 at 11:58 am #

    John says “..Marine who reported that he met a black man (He was sure it was Obama, it was 30 years ago.) who told him was born in Kenya had grown up in Indonesia and wanted to be POTUS someday”
    .
    So 30 years ago a black kid says he was born in Kenya and will become president and john sees no problems with accepting that. Amazing, really amazing!

  11. avatar
    Paul Pieniezny June 19, 2012 at 12:08 pm #

    richCares:
    John says “..Marine who reported that he met a black man (He was sure it was Obama, it was 30 years ago.) who told him was born in Kenya had grown up in Indonesia and wanted to be POTUS someday”
    .
    So 30 years ago a black kid says he was born in Kenya and will become president and john sees no problems with accepting that. Amazing, really amazing!

    There have been various versions of this story. One has the countries of birth and education reversed, one says it was not a marine but a postman. The postman who claimed he was the postman in the urban legend is known to have changed his version of the incident a few times to make it more plausible.

    And yes, at one ttime the postman’s story was amended to add a comment by the postman “surely, if you were born in Kenya …

  12. avatar
    Stanislaw June 19, 2012 at 12:08 pm #

    richCares:
    John says “..Marine who reported that he met a black man (He was sure it was Obama, it was 30 years ago.) who told him was born in Kenya had grown up in Indonesia and wanted to be POTUS someday”
    .
    So 30 years ago a black kid says he was born in Kenya and will become president and john sees no problems with accepting that. Amazing, really amazing!

    Is it really all that amazing? After all, whenever I meet someone new the first thing I do is tell them where I was born, where I grew up, and what I want to do someday. Even if that person is someone I may never see again. Because that is completely normal behavior.

    /birther

  13. avatar
    richCares June 19, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    john, I’ll tell you an old story. I started attending University of Hawaii during summer session of 1961. I hung out at the foreign students cafeteria as the food was cheaper. I met an African student and one day saw him with a pregnant white woman. He told me that was his wife and the baby is due within weeks. One day he took off for the Hospital as the baby had arrived. I don’t remember his name but my wife insists it was Obama Sr., she should know as she baby sat that little black kid. Now my story is true and is more credible than the Marine story.
    .
    Note: I started attending college right after I was discharged from the US Marines. I don;t know any Marine that believes that so called Marine’s story.

  14. avatar
    Rickey June 19, 2012 at 12:14 pm #

    richCares:

    So 30 years ago a black kid says he was born in Kenya and will become president and john sees no problems with accepting that. Amazing, really amazing!

    And John had no problem with believing everything which Tim Adams claimed.

  15. avatar
    Scientist June 19, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

    Dr. Conspiracy: However, the Nelson story has some things going for it. For example, it happened at a particular place, the Outrigger Canoe Club, and I was able to find out from a completely independent source that Dr. West was a member of that club. Certainly West didn’t make up the story in 1961, so the question of credibility rests on Barbara Nelson. The story is certainly plausible

    At the time Nelson told her story, there was no public information as to who the doctor who actually delivered the baby was. If Nelson was making a story up, she would likely have had Dr West talking about delivering the baby himself. Now we know that West didn’t deliver the baby himself and the so the way he phrased it “Stanley had a baby”, is very credible for the way a doctor would describe an event that happened on the wards, but not one he took part in personally.

  16. avatar
    Horus June 19, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    john: arine: 1980 In Hi. Obama Told Me He Was Born In Kenya And Wanted To Be President.

    Kind of hard to do considering that Obama was living in Los Angeles in 1980, attending Occidental College.

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    Horus June 19, 2012 at 12:35 pm #

    richCares: So 30 years ago a black kid says he was born in Kenya and will become president and john sees no problems with accepting that. Amazing, really amazing!

    Considering he won’t believe the State of Hawaii, or both of Obama’s BCs, yes, very amazing.

  18. avatar
    Whatever4 June 19, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

    There’s also Stig Waidelich’s mother. http://www.thelocal.se/33472/20110429/

    “Obama was lying there next to my Stig in the bassinet and I remember him because he was the only black child there and I thought he was very cute,” she said to Swedish daily Expressen.

    Her memories of an African-American baby at the maternity ward further corroborate the story.

    “I have no absolute proof of course, but I saw Obama and I have always thought it was Obama,” she told Expressen.

    When President Obama became a candidate in 2008, Monika noticed his birth date and hospital in an article and remembered that day in the nursery. Since then more memories of Obama growing up has come back to Danielsson.

    “The memories come rushing back to me. Obama was very into sport and my son was good at tennis, although Obama was more into basketball,” she said.

  19. avatar
    linda June 19, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

    CNN also interviewed her and went with her son to get a copy of his birth certificate. It was a computer generated COLB, the same type of form Obama released in 2008.
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/25/birthers.obama.hawaii/index.html?iref=allsearch

    Whatever4: There’s also Stig Waidelich’s mother.

  20. avatar
    BillTheCat June 19, 2012 at 1:23 pm #

    john: It’s just a story. It has the same credibility as the Marine who reported that he met a black man (He was sure it was Obama, it was 30 years ago.) who told him was born in Kenya had grown up in Indonesia and wanted to be POTUS someday. He is the account:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx0XcTmYtSEarine: 1980 In Hi. Obama Told Me He Was Born In Kenya And Wanted To Be President.

    So it MUST be true!

  21. avatar
    Dr. Conspiracy June 19, 2012 at 1:40 pm #

    Wasn’t Boyes the guy that called Kaoi’Olani Hospital and asked if Barack Obama was born there, and was told that we was?

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/

    john: There was another story by a man who called into the Peter Boyles Show one day. He stated that he had met Stanley Ann Dunham in Hawaii and was told by her she had a son who was born in Africa. The man did note that he not could swear to it but was pretty sure that Dunham had told him that.

  22. avatar
    Scientist June 19, 2012 at 1:42 pm #

    john: the Marine

    You mean the disembodied voice on a YouTube video who took his name, Race Bannon, from a cartoon character? As opposed to Barbara Nelson, who is a real person who gave an interview to a real newspaper in Buffalo, NY.

  23. avatar
    richCares June 19, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

    so john, while Obama was attending college in California he met a Marine in Honolulu, pretty neat. Now if you send me your email address I can get you put in the will of a recently deceased wealthy man in So. Africa, for a small fee that is.

  24. avatar
    misha June 19, 2012 at 2:10 pm #

    Scientist: As opposed to Barbara Nelson, who is a real person who gave an interview to a real newspaper in Buffalo, NY.

    Both of my degrees are from schools in Buffalo. The daily newspaper is owned by Berkshire Hathaway. I can attest it is a credible source.

  25. avatar
    misha June 19, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    john: We also have the account from Mailman Al

    This is my favorite mailman story:

    A mailman is retiring, and it’s his last day.

    He opens a storm door, and puts mail through the slot. The woman who lives there, opens the door, wearing a teddy.

    “C’mon in. I’ll give you a light lunch.” He follows her into the kitchen, and has a sandwich and coffee. Then she says, “c’mon upstairs.” He figures why not, it’s his last day. She slips off her teddy, he takes off his uniform, and they get under the covers. Just then, they hear footsteps on the staircase. “Quick, get under the bed.”

    The mailman scurries under the bed, and her husband walks into the room. “Are you alone?” “Yes, why?”

    He sees a foot sticking out from under the bed, and looks. “What’s the mailman doing here?”

    She says, “dear, don’t you remember? I told you the mailman was retiring, and today was his last day. I asked you, ‘what should we do for him?’ and you said, “screw him.”

    “The light lunch was my idea.”

  26. avatar
    bgansel9 June 19, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

    Rickey: And John had no problem with believing everything which Tim Adams claimed.

    John has no problem believing ANYTHING out of the ordinary.

  27. avatar
    bgansel9 June 19, 2012 at 5:03 pm #

    john: y that called Kaoi’Olani Hospital and asked if Barack Obama was born there, and was told that we was?

    Has it ever occurred to you that for a couple who were trying to pass off a Kenyan born baby as an American who might someday be president (I mean, going so far as to fix a birth announcement that wasn’t real), they sure did go around telling a lot of people that the boy was born in Kenya, huh?

    Are you really this daft?

  28. avatar
    Joey June 19, 2012 at 5:20 pm #

    Scientist: At the time Nelson told her story, there was no public information as to who the doctor who actually delivered the baby was.If Nelson was making a story up, she would likely have had Dr West talking about delivering the baby himself.Now we know that West didn’t deliver the baby himself and the so the way he phrased it “Stanley had a baby”, is very credible for the way a doctor would describe an event that happened on the wards, but not one he took part in personally.

    Yes, I was just going to post the same thing. The account of Dr. West focused ONLY on the mother’s name being “Stanley” and the baby’s name being Barack Hussein Obama. Dr. West never claimed to be the delivery doctor. ALSO, just because Dr. David A Sinclair signed the birth certificate as “Attending Physician” does not mean that he delivered the baby either. An “attending physician” is a staff doctor of a hospital. Dr. Sinclair had just completed his residency and may have been assigned to sign birth certificates for all births that occurred over the weekend or fall all of that particular week.
    Who delivered Barack Obama is irrelevant. The important point is that his birth is recorded in the 1961 Hawaii Index file of all births and his certified birth record indicates that he was born at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in the City of Honolulu, in the County of Honolulu, on the Island of Oahu, in the state of Hawai’i, USA.
    Anyone attempting to challenge the birth record is going to have to present compelling evidence to a judge and/or jury of birth somewhere else. In the four years since the first Obama COLB appeared on the Obama campaign web site, no one has been able to present compelling evidence to a judge, a jury or a congressional committee.

  29. avatar
    Thrifty June 19, 2012 at 5:27 pm #

    Oh, well if a guy with access to a phone can call a radio call-in show, that settles it. I say we start impeachment proceedings immediately.

    john:
    There was another story by a man who called into the Peter Boyles Show one day.He stated that he had met Stanley Ann Dunham in Hawaii and was told by her she had a son who was born in Africa.The man did note that he not could swear to it but was pretty sure that Dunham had told him that.

  30. avatar
    Joey June 19, 2012 at 5:28 pm #

    In related Birther news, a poster named Mark K. Davis has shown up on the amazon.com discussion forums for Jerome Corsi’s “Where’s the Birth Certificate.”

    Mark K. Davis claims to the son of Frank Marshall Davis, the man some birthers believe to be the father of Barack Obama. Mr. Davis is a debunker of all things birther related to his father.

  31. avatar
    JPotter June 19, 2012 at 6:16 pm #

    Joey: In related Birther news, a poster named Mark K. Davis has shown up on the amazon.com discussion forums for Jerome Corsi’s “Where’s the Birth Certificate.” Mark K. Davis claims to the son of Frank Marshall Davis, the man some birthers believe to be the father of Barack Obama. Mr. Davis is a debunker of all things birther related to his father.

    … and he provided some proof that Mark Davis is an active debunker of the rightwing. With the wingnuts libelling / slandering his long-deceased father at will, I say, “Go, Mark, go!”

  32. avatar
    bgansel9 June 19, 2012 at 6:36 pm #

    Joey: In related Birther news, a poster named Mark K. Davis has shown up on the amazon.com discussion forums for Jerome Corsi’s “Where’s the Birth Certificate.”

    Under which tag? I want to see this.

  33. avatar
    Rickey June 19, 2012 at 6:52 pm #

    Joey:
    In related Birther news, a poster named Mark K. Davis has shown up on the amazon.com discussion forums for Jerome Corsi’s “Where’s the Birth Certificate.”

    Mark K. Davis claims to the son of Frank Marshall Davis, the man some birthers believe to be the father of Barack Obama. Mr. Davis is a debunker of all things birther related to his father.

    According to his Wikipedia entry, Frank Marshall Davis had four daughters and a son named Mark., so Mark K. Davis may be the real deal.

  34. avatar
    Northland10 June 19, 2012 at 7:18 pm #

    bgansel9: Are you really this daft?

    You must be new here.

  35. avatar
    Northland10 June 19, 2012 at 7:26 pm #

    Scientist: You mean the disembodied voice on a YouTube video who took his name, Race Bannon, from a cartoon character?As opposed to Barbara Nelson, who is a realperson who gave an interview to a real newspaper in Buffalo, NY.

    http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2011/08/jim-racebannon-bancroft-birtherisms.html

  36. avatar
    bgansel9 June 19, 2012 at 7:28 pm #

    Northland10: You must be new here.

    No, not new. I’ve been coming here for at least the last 3 years. I just usually lurked and didn’t spend much time on the birther issue until SoS Bennett tried to remove our president from my state’s election ballot.

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    Dr Kenneth Noisewater June 19, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    Rickey: According to his Wikipedia entry, Frank Marshall Davis had four daughters and a son named Mark., so Mark K. Davis may be the real deal.

    I invited him over to fogbow hopefully he will be joining us soon.

  38. avatar
    Northland10 June 19, 2012 at 7:56 pm #

    bgansel9: No, not new. I’ve been coming here for at least the last 3 years. I just usually lurked and didn’t spend much time on the birther issue until SoS Bennett tried to remove our president from my state’s election ballot.

    I assumed by your question to John, “are you really this daft?” that you must not have been here too long.

  39. avatar
    Jamese777 June 19, 2012 at 8:28 pm #

    bgansel9: Under which tag? I want to see this.

    Look at the thread entitled “Filmmaker: Frank Marshall Davis was Barack Obama’s Real Father.”

  40. avatar
    James M June 19, 2012 at 8:28 pm #

    john:
    There was another story by a man who called into the Peter Boyles Show one day.He stated that he had met Stanley Ann Dunham in Hawaii and was told by her she had a son who was born in Africa.The man did note that he not could swear to it but was pretty sure that Dunham had told him that.

    Huh. I’m pretty sure that you’re pretty sure that some anonymous person said something pretty vague on the radio once. So I guess you have your grounds for the frog marching. Any day now?

  41. avatar
    Scientist June 19, 2012 at 9:00 pm #

    Joey: An “attending physician” is a staff doctor of a hospital. Dr. Sinclair had just completed his residency and may have been assigned to sign birth certificates for all births that occurred over the weekend or fall all of that particular week

    That’s possible. Or, as a junior person, he may well have done the delivery himself, since uncomplicated deliveries would often be done by a resident or junior staffer, with the more senior attendings focusing on the more complicated cases. There is no way to know. But of course you are correct that it is quite irrelevant.

  42. avatar
    Thrifty June 19, 2012 at 9:02 pm #

    Wait wait wait….

    Barbara Nelson’s testimony is hearsay, but an unnamed Marine and a mailman known only as “Mailman Al” are not, because they say that they heard Obama say something?

    john:
    Barbara Nelson’s account is hearsay information – based on upon what Dr. West had told her.The Marine and Mailman Al is based upon firsthand testimony from Obama himself – highly credible.

  43. avatar
    bgansel9 June 19, 2012 at 10:05 pm #

    Corsi is questioning the eligibility of Rubio: http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/rubio-autobiography-proves-hes-not-eligible-for-vp/

    Birthers in the comments are also wondering about Romney.

    Thank you James777, I found this information via a trip that started at the link you posted above.

  44. avatar
    linda June 19, 2012 at 10:36 pm #

    Saw this in the comments section of the above linked WND article. Is that the “John” who posts here?

    “Trying to debate this with Obots is a lost cause. I spent many days and nights debating this and all you get is anger, name calling and ridiculous arguments.
    They say all of the cases have been lost when not one case has been heard. Always dismissed on the grounds that the plaintiff has no standing. They take that to mean that there is no merit to the case. They say we can’t back up our position, but time after time they are given evidence to support it. When the same is asked of them you either get nasty responses or hear crickets.They say that a birther would not object to Rubio or Jindal, but I myself do object. I feel that they, just like Obama, are not eligible.It’s best to ignore them and let them rant and rave. They have nothing to support their position so don’t give them the satisfaction of even engaging them.”

  45. avatar
    JPotter June 19, 2012 at 10:42 pm #

    bgansel9: Birthers in the comments are also wondering about Romney.

    Corsi abuses Vattel shamelessly, and the comments, oh my, the comments. I like this snippet: “BY LAW, the four terms of legal art MUST have different definitions.”

    I see.

    Better watch your usage! Big Brother Birther is listening for illegal synonyms.

  46. avatar
    bgansel9 June 19, 2012 at 10:58 pm #

    linda:
    Saw this in the comments section of the above linked WND article.Is that the “John” who posts here?

    “Trying to debate this with Obots is a lost cause. I spent many days and nights debating this and all you get is anger, name calling and ridiculous arguments.
    They say all of the cases have been lost when not one case has been heard. Always dismissed on the grounds that the plaintiff has no standing. They take that to mean that there is no merit to the case. They say we can’t back up our position, but time after time they are given evidence to support it. When the same is asked of them you either get nasty responses or hear crickets.They say that a birther would not object to Rubio or Jindal, but I myself do object. I feel that they, just like Obama, are not eligible.It’s best to ignore them and let them rant and rave. They have nothing to support their position so don’t give them the satisfaction of even engaging them.”

    I think it’s him too. I saw that post and also wondered.

  47. avatar
    bgansel9 June 19, 2012 at 11:00 pm #

    JPotter: “BY LAW, the four terms of legal art MUST have different definitions.”

    I see.

    I seriously considered trying to post a response to that but then figured why bother (?). I don’t like to troll on right-wing sites. Never have. Let them choose how they are going to treat their presidential candidate (not a nominee yet LOL) AND a potential VP choice.

  48. avatar
    Jamese777 June 20, 2012 at 12:35 am #

    john:
    Barbara Nelson’s account is hearsay information – based on upon what Dr. West had told her.The Marine and Mailman Al is based upon firsthand testimony from Obama himself – highly credible.

    That is still hearsay in any court of law unless it is confirmed as accurate by Barack Obama.

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    richCares June 20, 2012 at 1:20 am #

    “That is still hearsay in any court of law unless it is confirmed as accurate by Barack Obama.”
    .
    considering the Marine met him in Hawaii while Obama was attending college in California, that’s a good trick, he should try out on “America’s Got Talent”

  50. avatar
    Horus June 20, 2012 at 10:42 am #

    John never comes back to refute the facts that are thrown in his face after he posts a fairy tale here.